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Title: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: cryptocoinz187 on August 11, 2014, 05:22:25 AM
https://i.imgur.com/ygOxyAQ.png

[18:25] <A> yes?
[18:25] <C> hey man
[18:26] <B> hey
[18:26] <C> thx for coming
[18:26] <B> thanks
[18:26] <C> how did u find out that ip?
[18:26] <B> or in other words how did you even think to try that IP?
[18:26] <C> coz we are considering what all that shit can mean.. and we have strange thinks ;p
[18:26] <A> flare on darkcointalk found it, it no longer works...it is an ip from a test net node
[18:26] <A> cloak testnet
[18:26] <B> i see
[18:27] <C> yea i was thinking the same
[18:27] <C> did u tried to google that ip?
[18:27] <A> not yet
[18:27] <C> can u link us to flare post?
[18:27] <B> could you link us to the thread please
[18:28] <A> https://darkcointalk.org/threads/cloaksend-2-0-posa-fake-or-legit.1868/page-3#post-15554
[18:28] <B> thanks
[18:29] <A> my thoughts are either the devs are also the mol devs, or someone in the private testing was the mol dev
[18:30] <C> kk thank u for helps
[18:30] <B> thanks for the clarification
[18:31] <A> the ip also shows up is some old shibe threads, just googled....
[18:31] <A> who knows
[18:31] <B> i see
[18:32] <B> hmm i'll guess I'll have to spend some time on this
[18:33] <A> i dont know what criteria there was for private testing,...im going to keep googling testnet ips and look for a pattern
[18:34] <B> I'll try that too
[18:34] <A> k
[18:49] <A> so it looks like this is a digital ocean ip, and its been used as a seed node in a bunch of cryptos, mol, qrk, V, plus a russian shibe thread
[18:50] <C> lol what does it mean?
[18:51] <C> A: ?
[18:51] <A> someone set up an instance with digital ocean to act as a seed for these coins. Looks like a cloak node was setup there as well. the name registration on the ip may just be a coincidence
[18:52] <C> the same person?
[18:52] <A> that i dont know
[18:52] <C> is there a posibility that were diffrent people?
[18:52] <A> yes
[18:52] <C> how?
[18:52] <B> are the servers at digital ocean Virtual machines?
[18:53] <A> yes, vm's, digital ocean is popular, so its possible two unreleated users ended up with the same ip months apart. I just think the fact that this ips is being used repeatedly for seed nodes is unusual, unless the ip is static and continuous managed by a single person
[18:54] <A> if thats the case, the ip is static for a long run instance, it means a single person is behind all these nodes
[18:55] <B> ya
[18:55] <B> wondering if we could ask digital ocean how they deal with IPs
[18:56] <A> it would probably be on their site, static ip would be a popular option
[18:56] <B> I'll take a look
[18:56] <A> solved....
[18:57] <A> what for this
[18:57] <A> wait
[18:57] <A> ....
[18:57] <A> https://who.is/whois/blocks.moleculecoin.com
[18:58] <C> that.. doesnt give us any hint i think?
[18:58] <C> its panama...
[18:58] <C> or i am wrong?
[18:59] <A> ok i might have jumped the gun
[18:59] <A> https://who.is/whois/cloakcoin.com
[18:59] <A> both identicle, but its the same company, whois guard
[19:00] <C> its namecheap?
[19:00] <C> or namecheap is only registrator?
[19:00] <C> and panama is the buyer?
[19:00] <B> its whois guarded
[19:00] <A> http://www.enom.com
[19:01] <A> was used to register both domains
[19:01] <C> but reseller is namecheap?
[19:01] <C> https://www.namecheap.com/legal/whoisguard/whoisguard-agreement.aspx
[19:02] <B> namecheap is the reseller of the whois guarded thing i think
[19:02] <A> yes, my point was there is another coincidence
[19:04] <B> ya
[19:04] <A> the ip also shows in the code for version coin, and versioncoin.com was also registered with enom.com
[19:05] <A> it looks like the same group, using the same services for multiple coins
[19:06] <B> yup
[19:07] <B> thats not good
[19:07] <A> digital ocean confirms static ip
[19:07] <A> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/are-digital-ocean-s-ip-addresses-static
[19:08] <C> but diffrent vm can get same ip as well?
[19:08] <B> but they are static
[19:08] <A> i dont think so
[19:11] <A> who wants to paste this into the cloak thread
[19:12] <C> dont
[19:12] <A> haha
[19:12] <B> one sec
[19:12] <B> checking other coins too
[19:13] <C> lol
[19:14] <A> i dont hold any cloak, i got out of a small position at 0.002, it just smells bad to me
[19:14] <B> can you keep this between us for now, doing whois lookups on other shitcoins
[19:15] <A> yes
[19:15] <C> i am tryign to contact digital ocean
[19:15] <C> to find out about ips
[19:16] <A> i posted a link above
[19:16] <C> nyway ti dont see livechat there ;/
[19:17] <B> https://who.is/whois/antimatter.cc
[19:17] <B> https://who.is/whois/versioncoin.com
[19:17] <B> https://who.is/whois/cloakcoin.com
[19:18] <B> https://who.is/domain-history/moleculecoin.com
[19:18] <B> https://who.is/whois/atocoin.com
[19:18] <B> https://who.is/whois/vault-coin.com
[19:18] <A> thats a lot of shit coins to be registered by a single provider
[19:18] <B> https://who.is/whois/libertycoin.co/
[19:19] <B> looking for more
[19:24] <B> you guys find anymore?
[19:24] <A> not yet
[19:25] <C> i am trying to reach same ip case
[19:25] <A> http://www.whois.com/whois/fireflycoin.com
[19:26] <B> https://who.is/whois/probecoin.com
[19:27] <B> https://who.is/whois/theshibecoin.com
[19:27] <A> ok so what are the odds that entirely different devs used the same site to register these domains...shibecoin.com is on digital ocean aswell
[19:28] <C> it is possible ever to find same pattern in diffrent pack of coins?
[19:29] <A> the other coins ive check use godaddy or random companies
[19:29] <C> digital is used for many peoples
[19:29] <C> by*
[19:29] <B> ya found some godaddy but godaddy is very popular
[19:29] <C> buy u mean same ip as well?
[19:29] <C> but*
[19:30] <A> yes that was my original point, digital ocean is used by many people, but the same ip at digital ocean is linked to multiple coins, which are linked to the same registrar, it looks like the same group
[19:31] <C> lets say registration is pretty anon
[19:31] <C> coz it could be paid by btc as i remember right?
[19:31] <C> what about digital? is there way to pay anonymously for that service?
[19:31] <A> it could be anyone, but it looks everything is channeled through a common link
[19:34] <B> nop enom only accepts credit cards just tried buying a domain
[19:35] <C> but namecheap
[19:35] <C> allows btc
[19:36] <B> let me see
[19:36] <C> https://www.namecheap.com/support/payment/bitcoin.aspx
[19:37] <B> but did they register the domain at namecheap or at enom? seems they paid for the whois guard service offered from namecheap
[19:37] <A> thats what i think, enom is listed primarily
[19:38] <C> for me its looks like that namecheap bought domen from enom
[19:38] <C> but i dont really know how buying domens works
[19:39] <A> Domain Name: CLOAKCOIN.COM Registrar: ENOM, INC. Whois Server: whois.enom.com Referral URL: http://www.enom.com
[19:40] <A> http://www.webhosting.info/registrars/reports/total_domains/ENOM.COM
[19:41] <A> enom owns 8% of the market, so it is unlikely that random people all used enom. It is more likely a single person who is used to them used it
[19:42] <B> found this: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1111525
[19:43] <B> and this: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/617450-difference-between-enom-namecheap-i-need-some-help.html
[19:45] <B> http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/940369-namecheap-still-reseller-enom.html
[19:46] <B> might explain it more clearly here: http://davezan.com/does-enom-own-namecheap.html
[19:48] <B> check the whois of the sites for various coins i listed
[19:48] <B> reseller: Namecheap
[19:48] <A> well i think its likely that some of those shit coins are coincidence, but we can definitley link cloak, molecule, and shibe to the same static ip
[19:50] <B> might be a coincidence too
[19:50] <B> but this is what concerns me
[19:50] <B> look: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=478176.60
[19:50] <B> check this post out
[19:51] <B> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=478176.msg5454949#msg5454949
[19:51] <A> and versioncoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=478176.msg5454949#msg5454949
[19:51] <B> notice anything?
[19:51] <B> thats got me wondering
[19:51] <A> yep we both posted the same thing
[19:51] <A> a hard coded node
[19:51] <B> lol ya
[19:51] <B> ya
[19:52] <B> the first one before the source was even pushed onto github
[19:52] <B> not even
[19:52] <B> so there's some possibilities here
[19:52] <A> so you think we uncovered a massive shit coin operation or what?
[19:52] <B> not sure
[19:52] <B> we have some theories
[19:53] <B> either
[19:53] <B> one of the devs or someone in the private testing of PosA was a former dev
[19:53] <A> yes i think thats clear
[19:53] <B> and used their server as a testnet node
[19:54] <B> or the server is Alty's
[19:54] <B> wish I could find out the entire list of tests on testnet
[19:54] <B> link bct usernames, go through their posts
[19:55] <A> i am
[19:55] <B> lets say that ip were to get ddosed what would happen?
[19:58] <B> i guess nothing seeing that the server must of been shutdown
[19:58] <A> staycrypto, who hardcoded the ip into version coin, also worked with cagecoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=451389.msg5397476#msg5397476
[19:59] <A> his last post was in april
[20:00] <B> i see
[20:00] <B> that blocks.moleculecoin.com is that block exxplorer?
[20:02] <B> checked molecule's thread that link is no where to be seen
[20:02] <A> i dont know, its offline, yes i cant find it either
[20:03] <C> gf, what about molecu coin ? i saw same ip somewhere there anything more?
[20:04] <B> no the server was shutdown
[20:04] <B> what bothers me more is that MrRGnome wouldn't answer about the image when someone asked
[20:04] <B> like he intentionally ignored it and changed the subject
[20:05] <A> your post was erased
[20:05] <C> he is in main dev team?
[20:05] <C> or second one?
[20:05] <B> i deleted it
[20:05] <A> oh ok, i didnt see it at all, i noticed you were the most recent message, but i didnt read it
[20:06] <B> i was going to try and explain why that showed up but after googling my answer would be wrong
[20:08] <B> in the irc
[20:09] <C> other he knows more about that from inside or other he is fucked up with all fud that comes into irc/thread
[20:09] <C> anyway sb turn off server/node minutes after u A put screen on btcthread
[20:09] <A> yes i noticed that
[20:10] <B> thats what i can't seem to forget
[20:10] <C> i am curious how drk's dev find it out
[20:11] <B> he must of been trying to check PoSA out, turned to test net to see the peers
[20:12] <B> tested the IPs one by one until getting a hit on one of them
[20:13] <A> im going to nslookup current nodes and see if anything is registered
[20:13] <C> to connect to testnet
[20:14] <B> <@MrRGnome> Huge difference between an actual concern about the protocol and a logline in a pic
[20:14] <B> only response to that image
[20:14] <C> i need to put testnet=1?
[20:14] <B> after that a whole new discussion started
[20:14] <C> in conf file?
[20:15] <C> eh i should make a coffee
[20:17] <B> i got into testnet should it start getting peers automatically that are still in the testnet?
[20:18] <C> if wallet will find it yes
[20:18] <B> k
[20:18] <C> but i am not sure if wallet will find any
[20:18] <A> 95.85.37.194  = dogesms.com
[20:19] <C> A: its from node lists?
[20:19] <A> yes, mainnet
[20:19] <C> tbh it can be anyone
[20:19] <C> but i will find if this page is scam or sth
[20:19] <C> godaddy
[20:20] <A> Juha Kovanen
[20:20] <B> anyone faimilar?
[20:22] <A> probably just a regular node, we need to find an ip thats linked directly to a coin
[20:22] <B> maybe check the node list at the block explorer
[20:23] <C> there are like 70 or 100+ ip addreses http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/nodes/
[20:23] <B> ya maybe look at the .33 ones possibly?
[20:23] <A> yes ive gone though about 30
[20:24] <C> ok lets split tje job
[20:24] <C> just check them in google?
[20:24] <C> or same as in screen drk devs did?
[20:25] <B> k
[20:25] <B> brb got to grab something to eat
[20:26] <C> so nslookup ip googlednd?
[20:26] <C> dns*
[20:26] <A> heres one
[20:26] <A> https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/11782-slimcoin-slm-information/
[20:26] <A> one of the original slimcoin nodes is now a cloak node
[20:26] <A> 107.181.250.216
[20:27] <C> \https://darkcointalk.org/threads/help-test-rc2-forking-issues.1009/page-43
[20:27] <A> https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-slimcoin-proof-of-burn-new-block-gen-mineable-by-low-power-computer.315729/
[20:27] <C> also here ^^
[20:28] <C> its just a regular pc or vm for wallets probally
[20:29] <C> nah
[20:29] <C> its tor exit node
[20:29] <C> http://cy-int.com/records
[20:29] <A> yes there are a lot of exit nodes on the list
[20:30] <C> can it be connected with tor "anon"for cloak wallet?
[20:30] <C> like we should see tor nodes in tor way of addresses?
[20:32] <A> i dont know
[20:33] <C> tor no matter if its safe or not, but many peoples still uses it to create feeling of anon
[20:38] <A> was anyone able to connect to any testnet nodes? im not finding any
[20:39] <C> i am trying atm
[20:39] <C> with standart node list
[20:39] <C> standard*
[20:39] <C> but so far no connection
[20:43] <A> same as mine
[20:44] <B> saem here doesnt connect
[20:45] <B> maybe we need to use a different version
[20:48] <A> 146.185.149.201 is a seed node for version coin, nslookup shows woof.moonmooncoin.com a particle block explorer
[20:50] <A> 162.243.234.210 is both seed2.versioncoin.com and seed.moleculecoin.com
[20:51] <C> and appear also at atomcoin
[20:51] <C> and shibe
[20:51] <C> and again its digital ocean
[20:51] <A> yes digital ocean
[20:54] <C> eh i am really fuckin confused right now
[20:59] <A> I think the evidence is pretty clear, devs from different coins have been colluding for a while now, or its the same group
[21:00] <C> yea:/
[21:04] <B> sad
[21:04] <B> i guess that explains why everything was open sourced
[21:04] <B> devs not revealing themselves
[21:05] <B> wondering if PoSA is real or not
[21:05] <B> or onemarket for that matter
[21:17] <A> a coin coin seed 37.59.21.199 also points to www.verters.com vertcoin
[21:17] <A> jade coin



Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Lauda on August 11, 2014, 05:24:59 AM
So you made a new account to post this?
Anyhow it was well known that a single person was pushing so many coins out.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: DarthPiggy on August 11, 2014, 06:07:36 AM
essentially chat log says that "some previous node on testnet has same ip as tested some other coins" ... so basically all it says is that someone testing cloak coin has experience testing cryptos... this is a good thing duh


Title: The Crypto-Files: The Truth is out there !
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 06:11:34 AM
ooooh jeez you made my balls tingle !!

my ears perk up when i hear 'Conspiracy' LOL

LET's DO THIS !!!1111


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 06:18:28 AM


Got my popcorn and I'm ready for more conspiracy juice.   :D :D :D

But seriously, I'm new and I already knew about this kind of thing.  It simply makes sense as greed will lead a few more clever and ambitious people to do exactly this kind of thing.  And it also helps to be morally flexible.  lol


Title: give them a false sense of security ;)
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 06:31:02 AM
i have been doing random checks on coins in the last year and i see where this guy is coming from..
it's a formula and i have tried to be quiet about it so i can keep tabs on them..
if you expose them they will bolt !
and next time it will be that much harder to check up on them..

remember what happened with Poloniex and Supercoin ?
Make sure you give them enough rope, and time, before tugging on it hard LOL

i am sure i have a handful of names and these little cunts know i know who they are..
all i can say is follow the money.. that should put a crosshair on who is doing it with laser like accuracy ;)


Title: Re: give them a false sense of security ;)
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 06:44:02 AM
i have been doing random checks on coins in the last year and i see where this guy is coming from..
it's a formula and i have tried to be quiet about it so i can keep tabs on them..
if you expose them they will bolt !
and next time it will be that much harder to check up on them..

remember what happened with Poloniex and Supercoin ?
Make sure you give them enough rope, and time, before tugging on it hard LOL

i am sure i have a handful of names and these little cunts know i know who they are..
all i can say is follow the money.. that should put a crosshair on who is doing it with laser like accuracy ;)


If that's the case then why not make some money before you pull the rope?  All that work and research, why not make some money for your efforts?  I would love to know this kind of stuff ahead of anyone else.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: kooperic on August 11, 2014, 06:54:09 AM
This was posted at the cloak thread:

https://i.imgur.com/tcY3ktK.png

A minute later I gave it a try:

https://i.imgur.com/PP8okiy.png

Server hosting at digital ocean mysteriously is shutdown almost minutes after the image was posted in Cloak's coin thread.

Source of the IP address: One of the test nodes correct?

Enter the IP 192.241.148.230 in google and see the results.

Found that the same test node was used in Version coin by the dev before POSTING the source of the wallet to Github

Post to that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=478176.msg5454949#msg5454949

Go to shibe coin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597860.0 (Russian version, original thread was deleted).

Same IP pop up as one of the nodes.

That IP also pops up Molecule, atom coin

So why was the server magically offline right after that image was posted?





Title: Re: give them a false sense of security ;)
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 07:06:19 AM
i have been doing random checks on coins in the last year and i see where this guy is coming from..
it's a formula and i have tried to be quiet about it so i can keep tabs on them..
if you expose them they will bolt !
and next time it will be that much harder to check up on them..

remember what happened with Poloniex and Supercoin ?
Make sure you give them enough rope, and time, before tugging on it hard LOL

i am sure i have a handful of names and these little cunts know i know who they are..
all i can say is follow the money.. that should put a crosshair on who is doing it with laser like accuracy ;)


If that's the case then why not make some money before you pull the rope?  All that work and research, why not make some money for your efforts?  I would love to know this kind of stuff ahead of anyone else.

i don't want to derail this guys topic but to answer i would have to say the key reason is risk.
these guys (cloners) are not going to tell me when they are done "Pumping" so it's easy to get burned regardless lol


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 07:08:20 AM
@OP
check on some of the coins listed top volume at Bittrex or Cryptsy ;)
cloak, crypt, keycoin, uro, via, etc
aka: follow the money


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 07:16:46 AM



So you're telling me a bunch if russia hackers are doing this?  lol, why am I not surprised?  Over there even a 5 Bitcoin profit is big money - 6 months worth of hard work gotten in just a few days of scamming off the dumb westerners.  We really need a way of filtering out some of these ScamCoins cause it's only gonna get worse.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: digitalindustry on August 11, 2014, 07:25:10 AM
can you highlight the important points? we've got crypto to chase on here !


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 07:38:22 AM
can you highlight the important points? we've got crypto to chase on here !



Russians.

Hackers.

Scammers.

Mobsters.

Tons and tons of alts.

I think that sums it up.  There's seriously no way to know which ones are theirs especially now that they know we know.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 08:33:30 AM
i read the OP's comment and seen nothing about Russians.. so i dunno about that.

what i do know is they are going to stay quiet..

they know this game far better then nubs that "figured it out" and posted about in AUG 2014 lol
they were here doing these for YEARS noobs ahhaha

and ya maybe my 1 year makes me a noob sort of too in a way but the difference is i wasn't bs'd into believing scam coins are awesome *from the start !
i didn't go and defend them for 6 months then see the light like a lot of you out there  ::)
Troll the hell out of me with 1,000 stupid doge meme pics saying much profit and i am just jealous and i am a hater
and i am a troll and i an asshole and i am an idiot and i am jealous and i am a troll and i am dumb and i am a liar and i am troll

then...

months later i see the same mouthy scam coin supporters gone OR they switched teams not. (now that the scene is dying they woke up)
so what.. your still morons for supporting scams knowingly for $$$ and i don't appreciate being harassed all that time only to have guys say ohh well sorry you were right.

99% of you supported Doge (or other scam coins) and are you now ? where is all the rabid foaming at the mouth fanboyism now ?


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 08:38:20 AM


The poster Koperic mentioned they were in Russia so I just assume they were Russians.  Not hard to believe - Russians and Romanians are probably the biggest most prolific hackers on earth.  So I expect to see more coins from them as they get better at scamming and making better and better ScamCoins.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 08:49:57 AM
hmm a couple staff at Cryptsy are Russians (Bitjohn and Mullick i am pretty sure) and they are good buddies with BTC-e staff who pump shit coins..

hmmmm conspiracy ? yup  >:(


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: rikkejohn on August 11, 2014, 09:10:42 AM
Keep this thread going, I like it ..

and names, we need names attached to coins


Title: Re: give them a false sense of security ;)
Post by: Rnbin on August 11, 2014, 09:22:55 AM
remember what happened with Poloniex and Supercoin ?
Make sure you give them enough rope, and time, before tugging on it hard LOL

I respect you on this forum Spoetnik, but Busoni called shenanigans because of MAX_MONEY which was clearly a massive fail from his side. If there was anything fishy he found after, he would have bragged about it already to restore his reputation.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: kooperic on August 11, 2014, 09:30:50 AM


The poster Koperic mentioned they were in Russia so I just assume they were Russians.  Not hard to believe - Russians and Romanians are probably the biggest most prolific hackers on earth.  So I expect to see more coins from them as they get better at scamming and making better and better ScamCoins.

I did not say they are Russians, I just posted a Russian translation of Shibecoin because the English version of that thread was deleted. TheDagger aka Alty I suspect is behind it all, hiring developers to launch coins as it seems he/she does not have the required coding skills.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 11:35:57 AM


The poster Koperic mentioned they were in Russia so I just assume they were Russians.  Not hard to believe - Russians and Romanians are probably the biggest most prolific hackers on earth.  So I expect to see more coins from them as they get better at scamming and making better and better ScamCoins.

I did not say they are Russians, I just posted a Russian translation of Shibecoin because the English version of that thread was deleted. TheDagger aka Alty I suspect is behind it all, hiring developers to launch coins as it seems he/she does not have the required coding skills.

ya i don't think some of these guys read the OP's comment lol

all i recall seeing was that one of the IP's being tracked to multiple locations etc ended up on a russian shibe forum..
other than that there was no Russian connection i seen at all..


Title: HonorCoin v2.0 AKA: SuperCoin is a scam coin period .
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 11:47:36 AM
remember what happened with Poloniex and Supercoin ?
Make sure you give them enough rope, and time, before tugging on it hard LOL

I respect you on this forum Spoetnik, but Busoni called shenanigans because of MAX_MONEY which was clearly a massive fail from his side. If there was anything fishy he found after, he would have bragged about it already to restore his reputation.

@SuperCoin
the dev after the drama said he had planned massive change that used that code variable.. believe him ? i don't lol
it's plausible that was a multi-step plan to mod the code.. simple as that.

people kept saying that because that was not *enough to scam *yet ..then that proves it wasn't a scam at all guaranteed !
(it was a common code edit for doing scams)
now tell me use your common sense guys does that sound logical in the slightest ?

and by the way you guys are mighty trusting considering there is about a 1,000 clone / scam coins and a million confirmed scams
and they are all being made by the same handful of hiding anon guys from a pool of 340,000 shell accounts.. look around you and open your eyes !

i based my opinion on one year of experience exposing these scammers myself and my own decade + of c/c++ coding experience
and i went and looked at the source code with my own eyes and found the line number Max_Money was on.. unlike 90% of the cheerleaders defending Supercoin (bag holders)
and you wanna know what coin was used as the basis for this clone coin SuperCoin ? HonorCoin LOL
a confirmed scam ! ..i couldn't even get the Honor coin code the Github was taken down etc and topics locked and a community take over etc.

hey the Supercoin dev posted the max money variable and it did not match what he said on the ANN topic originally.. he was caught not telling the truth

like how much circumstantial evidence do you guys need before you wake up ?
or is that bag too heavy ?


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: digitalindustry on August 11, 2014, 11:54:56 AM
can you highlight the important points? we've got crypto to chase on here !



Russians.

Hackers.

Scammers.

Mobsters.

Tons and tons of alts.

I think that sums it up.  There's seriously no way to know which ones are theirs especially now that they know we know.

looks like business as usual.

i wouldn't blame one group personally.

if you are a tard you will get scammed, lesson;

don't be a retard?


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Lauda on August 11, 2014, 12:02:17 PM
looks like business as usual.

i wouldn't blame one group personally.

if you are a tard you will get scammed, lesson;

don't be a retard?
Well the market is becoming saturated with coins which is ruining it for the other ones.
I don't really care that much about the people who invest in a scamcoin, they got warned in time anyways.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 11, 2014, 05:34:21 PM



I'm seeing experienced traders get scammed.  Not just "tards" so let's get real here.  These scams are getting more sophisticated everyday.  Like stellar for example. Lol.   :D :D


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: marseille on August 11, 2014, 06:12:53 PM
lol, the same scamcoin dev made so many scamcoins... ;D


Title: I got Ponzi'd at Bitcointalk !
Post by: Spoetnik on August 11, 2014, 06:54:30 PM
one of the first things i learned in this Altcoin stuff is i wound up in a tough position between
these people doing this type of shit the OP mentioned and their supporters.
and i had to learn to try and be a bit tolerant and get along.. and yeah i know that might sound crazy.
but bear with me lol

these guys are apart of our community and we need to try and convince them they can make money in a legit way.
and also that supporting the right coins is good for them long term and will make them more too.
some people portray me as a monster that goes after everyone like a blood thirsty lunatic hell bent on killing all clones etc
but that is Troll bullshit trying to make me look bad.

after i last posted here i was thinking i know a lot of these guys who make coins and i have been given a lot of info about what they are up to before
and i basically keep my mouth shut about it all.. rather than stabbing them in the back !
why ?
they want to make money.
i get that ..me too !
but i hope to convince them all doing it in a *better way is smartest AND most profitable short term and long term combined !
i try hard to generalize my anti-coin talk too and not harp on just one coin (unless say Carbon coin guys decided to come after me or..) LOL
and even then i try and avoid personal attacks of any kind.

for a long time they didn't want work for their profits and it was too easy.. most guys in crypto supported ANY coin no matter how bad
because they all told me over and over that they can make some BTC off them..
and i knew damn well that i can't stop em or convince them other wise but i should keep trying anyway.
i also knew what the result would be.. the scene dying off hard ..people leaving and pricing dropping, totally unavoidable i thought all along !
and i was right too that is what played out and is only going to get worse..

problem is people can come to bitcointalk and basically LIE for money.. so they do.
if i can lie and make money of course a shitload of people are going to do it.. probably the easiest way to make money on planet earth LOL

And that includes a huge chunk of the regulars here that have all along jumped on less and less coins over time bag holding them
and knowing they are bad but supporting them and trolling on people who criticize them to defend their bags their holding. (INCLUDING POOLS and exchanges)

so then we have to ask what is a clone / scam coin ?
and i would say simply it's an unneeded coin and that is one made simply for trading with a pump and dump.
just because a coin may have new integrated chat or something on it does not mean its pretty much a clone and useless
and it was only made to hype up and dump.. its the evolution of the scam game.
they know a PURE clone will get them the wrath of the public so they KNOW fucking damn well they have to cook up a scheme (gimmick features etc)
both sides evolve and get smarter at this shit..

so it comes down to what do you consider a clone / crap / scam coin ?


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: digitalindustry on August 12, 2014, 12:00:53 PM



I'm seeing experienced traders get scammed.  Not just "tards" so let's get real here.  These scams are getting more sophisticated everyday.  Like stellar for example. Lol.   :D :D

: D - well that hardly qualifies as a "sophisticated" scam... does it?

I know for a fact that some people took NXT seriously they probably feel a little silly now.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Jiggy0001 on August 13, 2014, 11:06:12 AM



I'm seeing experienced traders get scammed.  Not just "tards" so let's get real here.  These scams are getting more sophisticated everyday.  Like stellar for example. Lol.   :D :D

: D - well that hardly qualifies as a "sophisticated" scam... does it?

I know for a fact that some people took NXT seriously they probably feel a little silly now.

You say nxt is a scam? Being traded on an exchange in Denmark against USD?

Sorry, I am just naturally curious :)


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: Lauda on August 13, 2014, 11:43:59 AM
: D - well that hardly qualifies as a "sophisticated" scam... does it?

I know for a fact that some people took NXT seriously they probably feel a little silly now.

You say nxt is a scam? Being traded on an exchange in Denmark against USD?

Sorry, I am just naturally curious :)
There are many coins being traded for USD on other exchanges, there are even a few on Cryptsy.
Your point?


Title: Cryptsy Conspiracy ?
Post by: Spoetnik on August 13, 2014, 01:08:38 PM
Did you say CRYPTSY ?

conspiracy !

who do you think put Goats on the Moon ?

..Cryptsy

http://i62.tinypic.com/2wp35lt.jpg


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: nsimmons on August 14, 2014, 07:57:26 AM
add thereom coin to the list, they have wised up a bit and used fresh ip's but still used enom, digital ocean and even the same style for dev posts, bold centered letters.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=731983.0


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: luckydag on August 14, 2014, 09:19:55 AM
some ppl just hate pos coin, It's hard to tell which one decent or evil.

to my understanding, Poloniex funded by Russians, not cryptsy.
and XMR , DRK is most dishonest coin which already made huge success



Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: nsimmons on August 14, 2014, 09:44:27 AM
some ppl just hate pos coin, It's hard to tell which one decent or evil.

to my understanding, Poloniex funded by Russians, not cryptsy.
and XMR , DRK is most dishonest coin which already made huge success



Spend 20 minutes and google all the seed node ips for these shit coins, they are all the same.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: iamphoenix on August 16, 2014, 06:26:22 PM
good thread


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: MasterMined710 on August 18, 2014, 09:14:34 AM
can somebody post an update as to what was found and maybe a few sentences as to what we are seeing in this post. thanks


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: SolomonRising on August 20, 2014, 12:21:40 AM
can somebody post an update as to what was found and maybe a few sentences as to what we are seeing in this post. thanks

I'd like a summarization as well.  Didn't post this past week and I'd appreciate a quick breakdown.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: BitJohn on August 20, 2014, 01:49:34 AM
hmm a couple staff at Cryptsy are Russians (Bitjohn and Mullick i am pretty sure) and they are good buddies with BTC-e staff who pump shit coins..

hmmmm conspiracy ? yup  >:(

lol where do you come up with this shit. We have zero Russians.


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: ProGamer on August 20, 2014, 03:20:45 AM
His reminds me of this guy here: http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28it5y/cryptsy_corruption_and_aiding_of_specific_pumpers/

People thought this guy/girl was crazy/stupid but he/she may have just discovered the tip of the iceberg!


Title: Re: Crypto Conspiracy?
Post by: defaced on August 20, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
Its pretty known that there are a few people pushing out and supporting the shittiest of the shitty to saturate and discredit the alt world and to fill their pockets in the process.

Some questions..

Where is the money coming and going?
Who has the most to gain and lose?

Anon is nice and all but being anon also brings out the bad apples in every group. When there is no accountability for your actions one might be easily pursued into doing evil.