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Title: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: cryptocoiner on August 25, 2014, 11:37:34 AM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: tinof on August 25, 2014, 11:48:40 AM
Hyperinflation is one.

But in case of hyperinflation, there will be currency exchange control in place. You may have a hard time doing transaction using btc hence rendering it useless.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: InwardContour on August 25, 2014, 12:29:16 PM
I think we are very close to the start of a new bubble but $10000 is too high, probably the new ATH will be in the 4000-6000$ range.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: iluvpie60 on August 25, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?

its is very unlikely to happen. if it does happen USD will probably have to devalue more, and we are taklinga bout $10,000 USD per bitcoin like 3 or 4 years from now. miners still only require a bitcoin to be worth like 400 per to still make money off each one if they sell it right away.

mining price and some whales set the price for btc


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: RyanPumper on August 25, 2014, 01:01:01 PM
I don't think anything in particular has to happen, just look at the charts, we always rally during october - november. As for $10000 per coin, no one can say for certain when that will happen. but it is almost certain that we'll pass the previous ATH by the end of the year


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: routecrypto on August 25, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
The bubbles happens in different months, we can't predict that it will start in November only because last year started in that period.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: botany on August 25, 2014, 03:56:11 PM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?

When bitcoin reaches $10,000 per BTC, I hope it isn't a bubble.  8)


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Jungian on August 25, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
I would not hold such a risky investment if I didn't think it could, not only reach a high value, but also change the world.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Ayers on August 25, 2014, 06:04:53 PM
at least one bubble per year will happen, until now this was a certainty, 2014 could be the exception, but 10k this year is to be excluded


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: fdiini on August 25, 2014, 06:16:22 PM
at least one bubble per year will happen, until now this was a certainty, 2014 could be the exception, but 10k this year is to be excluded


If there is a bubble this year, it will need to go higher than 1200. The wall street etf money is the last hope for this year bubble.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: thisisthis on August 25, 2014, 10:27:49 PM
I think we can see the new all time high this year but with each passing day it's less and less probable.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Foxxyfox on August 25, 2014, 10:34:46 PM
I think we are very close to the start of a new bubble but $10000 is too high, probably the new ATH will be in the 4000-6000$ range.

I also think we are close to a bubble, i also think around 10 times more than current value, it means 500$*10=5000$


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: coinableS on August 26, 2014, 01:49:47 AM
I think we are very close to the start of a new bubble but $10000 is too high, probably the new ATH will be in the 4000-6000$ range.

I also think we are close to a bubble, i also think around 10 times more than current value, it means 500$*10=5000$

Yep, also thinking the same, next bubble will take us around $5K


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Cortex7 on August 26, 2014, 01:55:10 AM
Well this is thread in which to call it

so my prediction (similar to those above):

next top $5k ± $2k

correcting to $3k ± $1.5 k

https://i.imgur.com/BgFvwvu.png




EDIT: To address OPs question:

From a system analysis perspective (control theory)

The volatility I think is caused because the system is running at high gain and is not damped, so large oscillations in the groupthink of all users happens.

Anyone who understands what money is and what bitcoin is are lucky enough to be early adopters during these still early days.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: coinableS on August 26, 2014, 02:21:10 AM
Well this is thread in which to call it

so my prediction (similar to those above):

next top $5k ± $2k

correcting to $3k ± $1.5 k

https://i.imgur.com/BgFvwvu.png




EDIT: To address OPs question:

From a system analysis perspective (control theory)

The volatility I think is caused because the system is running at high gain and is not damped, so large oscillations in the groupthink of all users happens.

Anyone who understands what money is and what bitcoin is are lucky enough to be early adopters during these still early days.

$1 Million by 2018! Woo hoo!


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: EricTyle on August 26, 2014, 02:29:13 AM
Hyperinflation is one.

But in case of hyperinflation, there will be currency exchange control in place. You may have a hard time doing transaction using btc hence rendering it useless.


Then with hyperinflation, would BTC really raise in value or relatively would it stay the same only to be worth many useless paperbacks?


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: yucca on August 26, 2014, 02:37:09 AM
Hyperinflation is one.

But in case of hyperinflation, there will be currency exchange control in place. You may have a hard time doing transaction using btc hence rendering it useless.


Then with hyperinflation, would BTC really raise in value or relatively would it stay the same only to be worth many useless paperbacks?

Bitcoin would do both.

Raise in absolute value ( bitcoin price of bread would drop ), caused by bitcoin cap growing.

And rise massively in fiat value ( fiat price of bitcoin would rise ), caused by people escaping the sinking ship.

So if we consider a loaf of bread as an anchor; then after hyperinflation starts bitcoin would fly above the bread and fiat plummet below, relative velocity between bitcoin and fiat would be tremendous.

Perhaps the bitcoin price of gold might remain the same order of magnitude.

edit: currency exchange control mechanisms are always black marketed away (the people responsible for the controlling often taking a cut), people are very eager to jump ship and people are also very eager to profit during the whole affair, it's CHAOS!


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: SecureErase on August 26, 2014, 03:04:20 AM
Well this is thread in which to call it

so my prediction (similar to those above):

next top $5k ± $2k

correcting to $3k ± $1.5 k

https://i.imgur.com/BgFvwvu.png




EDIT: To address OPs question:

From a system analysis perspective (control theory)

The volatility I think is caused because the system is running at high gain and is not damped, so large oscillations in the groupthink of all users happens.

Anyone who understands what money is and what bitcoin is are lucky enough to be early adopters during these still early days.

Based on your chart better HODL till 2018 or so ;-)


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: gog1 on August 26, 2014, 03:07:16 AM
too early to talk about bubble, we are still in a downtrend.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Chalkbot on August 26, 2014, 04:51:59 AM
Honestly, I don't think anyone here has even considered the possibility of a 4th bubble. If so, then they never bothered to make a thread about it.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Cortex7 on August 26, 2014, 04:52:45 AM
too early to talk about bubble, we are still in a downtrend.

Well we're going sideways in my opinion.

Of course the "bubble" is not here yet, that's why we're only talking about it. ::)

When it arrives we will be in it and then talking about the inevitable top.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: maker88 on August 26, 2014, 12:59:07 PM
I'm pretty sure there have been more than 4 already..


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: swansong on August 26, 2014, 01:16:22 PM
bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Dafar on August 26, 2014, 01:24:42 PM
I think we are very close to the start of a new bubble but $10000 is too high, probably the new ATH will be in the 4000-6000$ range.

How is $6K acceptable but $10K is too high? your logic doesn't make sense


I don't think anything in particular has to happen, just look at the charts, we always rally during october - november. As for $10000 per coin, no one can say for certain when that will happen. but it is almost certain that we'll pass the previous ATH by the end of the year

Yeah no, not by a long mile... it is definitely not "certain", I would argue it's more certain that we won't pass ATH by the end of this year.


bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

I would be way too happy if this happens, and since I never get to be that happy these days, I doubt this will ever happen anytime soon


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: jazzhot on August 26, 2014, 01:27:16 PM
Now bitcoin is very undervalued according to charts but it has to find the spark which can start the beginning of the rise.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: ensurance982 on August 26, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?

Would it be the 4th? How many bubbles have people agreed on, actually? If things go well, we may reach $10k after I guess 2 more bubbles. The next bubble (if there'll be one this year or early next year) will most likely stay below $10k, I guess...


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Ayers on August 26, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
at least one bubble per year will happen, until now this was a certainty, 2014 could be the exception, but 10k this year is to be excluded


If there is a bubble this year, it will need to go higher than 1200. The wall street etf money is the last hope for this year bubble.

does each next bubble was higher than the one before it? i don't remember this aspect

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover, i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: wachtwoord on August 26, 2014, 02:56:53 PM
at least one bubble per year will happen, until now this was a certainty, 2014 could be the exception, but 10k this year is to be excluded


If there is a bubble this year, it will need to go higher than 1200. The wall street etf money is the last hope for this year bubble.

does each next bubble was higher than the one before it? i don't remember this aspect

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover, i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless

The use of Litecoin is the alternative hashing algorithm. If for some (unlikely) unforeseen reason Bitcoin is severely damaged Litecoin could be a place of refuge.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Torque on August 26, 2014, 02:59:36 PM

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover,
i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless

Wanna put some money on it? :)


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Cortex7 on August 26, 2014, 04:19:32 PM

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover,
i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless

Wanna put some money on it? :)

I might if we can arrange escrow with predefined prices/dates.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: KarmaShark on August 26, 2014, 04:41:16 PM
The longer the price sits around this area, the more tension that is being built up below the surface. Eventually the pressure is going to be too much and the hatch will be blown 500 feet into the sky. If we stay down below the current ATH until the spring of 2015, I can see the next bubble taking us very close to $10,0000/coin before taking a nose dive back down, with a few dead cat bounces along the way.


Live through a few bubbles and your perspective changes on what can and cannot happen in the Wild West of cryptocurrency.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Dafar on August 26, 2014, 05:46:07 PM

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover,
i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless

Wanna put some money on it? :)

I might if we can arrange escrow with predefined prices/dates.

I'll be your escrow... and I agree with the dude who thinks LTC will recover


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Cortex7 on August 26, 2014, 06:50:03 PM

bitcoin to $4000 - $6000
litecoin to $150 - $250

litecoin, will never recover,
i don't see any point in that alt, bitcoin can use sidechain to gain everything it need, like fast transactions, litecoin is useless

Wanna put some money on it? :)

I might if we can arrange escrow with predefined prices/dates.

I'll be your escrow... and I agree with the dude who thinks LTC will recover

I would prefer an escrow agent that has no emotional investment in the transaction.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: exocytosis on August 26, 2014, 06:57:43 PM
There won't be a 4th bubble. The market is saturated. It's downwards from here.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Hunyadi on August 26, 2014, 07:01:48 PM
There won't be a 4th bubble. The market is saturated. It's downwards from here.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kfoc3bWRWsA/ULJGpD_GxPI/AAAAAAAADdM/7o44ZALjnmY/s1600/oh-boy.gif


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Wilhelm on August 26, 2014, 07:52:21 PM
What's a buble?   ::)


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: wachtwoord on August 26, 2014, 10:18:15 PM
What's a buble?   ::)


The silly term bears use to denote a growth spurt (which always overshoots a bit).


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Wekkel on August 27, 2014, 05:21:03 AM
The longer the price sits around this area, the more tension that is being built up below the surface. Eventually the pressure is going to be too much and the hatch will be blown 500 feet into the sky. If we stay down below the current ATH until the spring of 2015, I can see the next bubble taking us very close to $10,0000/coin before taking a nose dive back down, with a few dead cat bounces along the way.


Live through a few bubbles and your perspective changes on what can and cannot happen in the Wild West of cryptocurrency.

This has been the recent past. If crypto has a future, please be prepared to be surprised again.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: windjc on August 27, 2014, 06:32:21 AM
Honestly, I don't think anyone here has even considered the possibility of a 4th bubble. If so, then they never bothered to make a thread about it.

lol


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: futureazy on August 27, 2014, 07:50:27 AM
Litecoin could recover a little but $150 is too high for that altcoin.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: whysosweet on August 27, 2014, 08:27:59 AM
The longer the price sits around this area, the more tension that is being built up below the surface. Eventually the pressure is going to be too much and the hatch will be blown 500 feet into the sky. If we stay down below the current ATH until the spring of 2015, I can see the next bubble taking us very close to $10,0000/coin before taking a nose dive back down, with a few dead cat bounces along the way.


Live through a few bubbles and your perspective changes on what can and cannot happen in the Wild West of cryptocurrency.

This has been the recent past. If crypto has a future, please be prepared to be surprised again.

Every time we see the same threads, in some months there will be a bubble and all the bearish people will buy at loss.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: wachtwoord on August 27, 2014, 12:50:15 PM
The longer the price sits around this area, the more tension that is being built up below the surface. Eventually the pressure is going to be too much and the hatch will be blown 500 feet into the sky. If we stay down below the current ATH until the spring of 2015, I can see the next bubble taking us very close to $10,0000/coin before taking a nose dive back down, with a few dead cat bounces along the way.


Live through a few bubbles and your perspective changes on what can and cannot happen in the Wild West of cryptocurrency.

This has been the recent past. If crypto has a future, please be prepared to be surprised again.

Every time we see the same threads, in some months there will be a bubble and all the bearish people will buy at loss.

Or are never heard from again.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: wobber on August 27, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
The longer the price sits around this area, the more tension that is being built up below the surface. Eventually the pressure is going to be too much and the hatch will be blown 500 feet into the sky. If we stay down below the current ATH until the spring of 2015, I can see the next bubble taking us very close to $10,0000/coin before taking a nose dive back down, with a few dead cat bounces along the way.


Live through a few bubbles and your perspective changes on what can and cannot happen in the Wild West of cryptocurrency.

This has been the recent past. If crypto has a future, please be prepared to be surprised again.

Every time we see the same threads, in some months there will be a bubble and all the bearish people will buy at loss.

I think everyone should check the facts. Yes, price per unit is more than last year same time, but with all the news and adoption, we haven't made a significant move for months now.

I'm calling it: no more bubbles, rallies or rapid price increases. TA applied on bitcoin is just tea reading. I see nothing notable happening soon (ie next 12-18 months)


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: btchaste on August 27, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
We are still in he early adoption phase, there is too much people in the world who doesn't know anything about bitcoins.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: wobber on August 28, 2014, 08:37:37 AM
We are still in he early adoption phase, there is too much people in the world who doesn't know anything about bitcoins.

It doesn't really matter. Poor africans for example know about USD or EUR but they don't own any. They might find out about BTC soon too, but... doesn't mean they'll buy.

I don't think there's much room for unforced adoption. But, if some govt makes it the only way to pay, that would be a different story. My bet: USA will be the first, after USD crashes.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: botany on August 28, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
We are still in he early adoption phase, there is too much people in the world who doesn't know anything about bitcoins.

It doesn't really matter. Poor africans for example know about USD or EUR but they don't own any. They might find out about BTC soon too, but... doesn't mean they'll buy.

I don't think there's much room for unforced adoption. But, if some govt makes it the only way to pay, that would be a different story. My bet: USA will be the first, after USD crashes.

My bet would be on some failed economy. Argentina, as most of the analysts say, could be ripe for a bitcoin revolution.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Unbelive on August 28, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?

next bubble will not go over 5k USD at its peak.


Title: Re: 4th Bitcoin buble
Post by: Hunyadi on August 28, 2014, 04:50:05 PM
How you ever wondered what should happend with economy to lead bitcon market to another buble? Where it can reach up to $10000 per 1 BTC ?

next bubble will not go over 5k USD at its peak.

http://media.tumblr.com/1837bc41f6ee17dbed73a1afbe672b7e/tumblr_inline_n7y3873rRM1qhw4x6.gif