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Title: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: farlack on August 30, 2014, 04:23:17 PM
http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/ecuador-roll-official-virtual-currency-year-end-move-ditch-us-dollar-231619.html



Cool stuff here, would be great if they just used btc.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: ensurance982 on August 30, 2014, 04:30:22 PM
Well what bothers me is that people always go and create their own digital currencies and don't just adopt/embrace Bitcoin! A currency can only be strong if a lot of people accept it. Also, does the government retain control over the currency? Not good.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: sana8410 on August 30, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
Isnt this the second thread already?  This news is like 3 weeks old and so outdated.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: adamstgBit on August 30, 2014, 04:37:44 PM
this is silly, fiat based, centrally controlled. sounds like a lame version of mint chip.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: bitty4 on August 30, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: ensurance982 on August 30, 2014, 05:00:14 PM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.

What do you mean by "algorithm"? Do you mean certain features of Bitcoin (or a proposed new coin) or are you talking about a PoW (PoX) algorithm? ("Mining algorithm") And why would that be better than Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: franky1 on August 30, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.

read the article!!

its not going to be a crypto. just another lame assed database of binary digits, like what banks already have

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The new currency was approved, and stateless crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin simultaneously banned

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He said it is not like Bitcoin, whose advantage is in its technical underpinnings: Only a limited amount of Bitcoin can be minted. Without that safeguard, economists have warned, a government could theoretically create as much as it wants, risking inflation.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: itsAj on August 30, 2014, 05:36:34 PM
this is silly, fiat based, centrally controlled. sounds like a lame version of mint chip.
It is essentially very similar to paypal. They even say that the currency is going to be backed by some asset (probably dollars, but who knows).


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on August 30, 2014, 05:48:53 PM


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Hasher99 on August 30, 2014, 06:50:51 PM
http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/ecuador-roll-official-virtual-currency-year-end-move-ditch-us-dollar-231619.html



Cool stuff here, would be great if they just used btc.
If they are making new digital currency following the bitcoinic trend then yes they are doing a good thing for their country.Using bitcoin could be a difficult act as bitcoin is moreover a trading platform to many people now.Like forex brokers now had jumped over to bitcoin


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: minerpumpkin on August 30, 2014, 06:53:35 PM
I concur, it's not a meaningful digital currency, less a cryptocurrency, if it does have a central authority, and thus point of failure! Show how some people are just merely jumping on the bandwagon, while not getting the actual potential of Bitcoin at all!


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: linxproz on August 30, 2014, 07:17:03 PM
Someone should introduce bitcoins to them and show the advantages of adopting it for Ecuador.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on August 31, 2014, 10:20:27 AM
Well what bothers me is that people always go and create their own digital currencies and don't just adopt/embrace Bitcoin! A currency can only be strong if a lot of people accept it. Also, does the government retain control over the currency? Not good.

More Banks will adopt Bitcoin when it has the Global ID and Central authority.

this proposition seems to be from the government

LOL


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on August 31, 2014, 10:24:06 AM
Isnt this the second thread already?  This news is like 3 weeks old and so outdated.

/ squirming begins.

/ comedy levels rising.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on August 31, 2014, 10:25:45 AM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.

read the article!!

its not going to be a crypto. just another lame assed database of binary digits, like what banks already have

Quote
The new currency was approved, and stateless crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin simultaneously banned

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He said it is not like Bitcoin, whose advantage is in its technical underpinnings: Only a limited amount of Bitcoin can be minted. Without that safeguard, economists have warned, a government could theoretically create as much as it wants, risking inflation.

LOL


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Chavez on August 31, 2014, 10:35:20 AM
Cool stuff here, would be great if they just used btc.

They'll probably want something they can issue or control so bitcoin wouldnt be any good.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on August 31, 2014, 11:00:39 AM
I concur, it's not a meaningful digital currency, less a cryptocurrency, if it does have a central authority, and thus point of failure! Show how some people are just merely jumping on the bandwagon, while not getting the actual potential of Bitcoin at all!

true they are just trying to be cool, by not making "Joe public" buy their monopoly money from a few small insiders, instead probably issuing it at a free market exchange rate, pfft idiots.

and its not even mandatory.

nothing to see here !


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: GigaCoin on August 31, 2014, 11:07:47 AM
Would be so much easier for them if they just adopt Bitcoin. It will literally just take a few minutes.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Lauda on August 31, 2014, 11:15:42 AM
Would be so much easier for them if they just adopt Bitcoin. It will literally just take a few minutes.
Well it would be, and this is not like Bitcoin. They currency seems like 'virtual FIAT', centralized and all of that.
That's not how it was supposed to be, and that's worse.

We're going nowhere if everyone makes their own currency.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on August 31, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/ecuador-roll-official-virtual-currency-year-end-move-ditch-us-dollar-231619.html



Cool stuff here, would be great if they just used btc.

Centralized, wont possess the same strengths as bitcoin. This is good news though coins like this are a gateway drug to the real thing.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: ensurance982 on August 31, 2014, 12:02:41 PM
http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/ecuador-roll-official-virtual-currency-year-end-move-ditch-us-dollar-231619.html



Cool stuff here, would be great if they just used btc.

Centralized, wont possess the same strengths as bitcoin. This is good news though coins like this are a gateway drug to the real thing.

People/Companies/Governments are just trying to jump on the bandwagon by introducing "one of those new digital currencies that are all the craze at the moment" if you ask me! It really doesn't offer the advantages of decentralization. If your "gateway drug" theory holds true, well maybe... time will tell!


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on August 31, 2014, 02:30:36 PM
this will be ASIC farm compatible right ?

otherwise whats the point?

how will the people that invested thousands into ASICs be able to control the issuance?

seems stupid.

fucking dumb Ecuadorians !

 >: (


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: minerpumpkin on August 31, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
this will be ASIC farm compatible right ?

otherwise whats the point?

how will the people that invested thousands into ASICs be able to control the issuance?

seems stupid.

fucking dumb Ecuadorians !

 >: (

Huh, are you just trolling or what's your point? From what we can tell this currency seems to be centralized. so there effectively isn't any need for decentralized record keeping or third party miners securing the network.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: jbreher on August 31, 2014, 04:53:33 PM
this will be ASIC farm compatible right ?

otherwise whats the point?

how will the people that invested thousands into ASICs be able to control the issuance?

seems stupid.

fucking dumb Ecuadorians !

 >: (

Huh, are you just trolling or what's your point? From what we can tell this currency seems to be centralized. so there effectively isn't any need for decentralized record keeping or third party miners securing the network.

Funnier yet is that this centralization is exactly what DigitalIndustry is shilling in his/her annoying FUD threads.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: cyberpinoy on August 31, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.

As soon as a developer with a brain in his head instead of a dollar sign creates a coin it wont matter if the algorythm is better than BTC or not, that coin will put all other coins including BTC to shame, it only takes one good honest development team to lay the other coins to rest. One day that team will emerge and they will be the richest people on earth.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: minerpumpkin on August 31, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
this will be ASIC farm compatible right ?

otherwise whats the point?

how will the people that invested thousands into ASICs be able to control the issuance?

seems stupid.

fucking dumb Ecuadorians !

 >: (

Huh, are you just trolling or what's your point? From what we can tell this currency seems to be centralized. so there effectively isn't any need for decentralized record keeping or third party miners securing the network.

Funnier yet is that this centralization is exactly what DigitalIndustry is shilling in his/her annoying FUD threads.

Huh, really? I didn't know about their background. What is he/she propagating? :D Well, anything centralized isn't compatible with Bitcoin, it's as simple as that. And a digital currency that's still centralized is just another PayPal or regular bank.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: farlack on August 31, 2014, 07:27:55 PM
No its not.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: oceans on August 31, 2014, 07:37:02 PM
Seems to me like they have seen the success for bitcoin and now they want to try and jump in with their own version which seems silly in my opinion when something like bitcoin is already there so why not use that?


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: counter on August 31, 2014, 07:56:27 PM
I don't support this move mainly because I doubt there will be any major innovation in the coin and it will most likely suffer from some serious centralized control issues. ::)

I like that they embrace crypto and I can understand why they might not want to jump on Bitcoin but I'm not sure how well this coin will work out in the long run if they don't really work to produce a well distributed coin to benefit the citizens of Ecuador.  I'm very much looking forward to seeing what people have to say about the coin once the source code is available or is something like that not to be expected?  I feel the open source model should at very least be accepted for a project like this to accepted.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: gongomanny on August 31, 2014, 08:14:43 PM
I'm very much looking forward to seeing what people have to say about the coin once the source code is available or is something like that not to be expected?  I feel the open source model should at very least be accepted for a project like this to accepted.


I doubt the database + source code will be open for review to everyone. Just another paypal centralized solution. And Ecuador is so poor country, most dont have access to internet - so physical currency is necessary as well.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on September 01, 2014, 03:41:42 AM
No its not.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: TheMage on September 01, 2014, 04:28:17 AM
Bitcoin should be used instead of creating new crypto currencies, most of the people create new crypto currencies for their own gain. Only crypto currency with better algorithm than bitcoin could take over BTC. Bitcoin was one of the first crypto currency that's another point why It is most popular and have biggest value and It would be really hard to take over BTC now.

As soon as a developer with a brain in his head instead of a dollar sign creates a coin it wont matter if the algorythm is better than BTC or not, that coin will put all other coins including BTC to shame, it only takes one good honest development team to lay the other coins to rest. One day that team will emerge and they will be the richest people on earth.



This would require an alt that doesnt have an IPO  ::).




I don't support this move mainly because I doubt there will be any major innovation in the coin and it will most likely suffer from some serious centralized control issues. ::)

I like that they embrace crypto and I can understand why they might not want to jump on Bitcoin but I'm not sure how well this coin will work out in the long run if they don't really work to produce a well distributed coin to benefit the citizens of Ecuador.  I'm very much looking forward to seeing what people have to say about the coin once the source code is available or is something like that not to be expected?  I feel the open source model should at very least be accepted for a project like this to accepted.


I seriously doubt it will be open source.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Divinespark on September 01, 2014, 12:01:26 PM
Sounds to me like they are considering a digital version of a fiat currency
Hardly a distributed peer to peer protocol, just the old ponzi scheme in a new bottle


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Timetwister on September 02, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
Fiat 2.0. There's no way people would voluntarily prefer that currency over Bitcoin.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Winner on September 03, 2014, 01:45:41 AM
It'll be interesting If Ecuador made a currency that was not only in cryptocurrency but had paper currency as well.

Paper currency similar to Colorado's new currency called cojacks

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/business-launching-new-colorado-currency-called-cojacks


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: johncarpe64 on September 04, 2014, 05:20:36 AM
The Ecuadorian ambassador to the US wrote a letter to the editor of the WSJ the other day that talked about this. He made it very clear that the currency would not be similar to bitcoin. He kind of implied that it would look more like paypal.

From what I can tell the currency would be backed by some asset to give it value, and the government would essentially act as a central authority to keep track of who owns how much of the currency.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: MaryKris on September 05, 2014, 11:05:33 AM
lol.. Whos idea is that? The cartel? LOL


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: digitalindustry on September 05, 2014, 11:21:42 AM
not saying i'm for or against it but could there be a legal avenue in which the US federal reserve takes action against Ecuador either legally or militarily?

of course it would have to go though the UN first?   


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Bitzkrieg on September 08, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
not saying i'm for or against it but could there be a legal avenue in which the US federal reserve takes action against Ecuador either legally or militarily?

of course it would have to go though the UN first?   

Then government will get involved. Not good.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: blatchcorn on September 08, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
The Ecuadorian ambassador to the US wrote a letter to the editor of the WSJ the other day that talked about this. He made it very clear that the currency would not be similar to bitcoin. He kind of implied that it would look more like paypal.

From what I can tell the currency would be backed by some asset to give it value, and the government would essentially act as a central authority to keep track of who owns how much of the currency.

 ???

Sounds like a clueless bureaucrat.  How can PayPal be similar to a currency? 


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: leannemckim46 on September 08, 2014, 11:41:51 PM
The Ecuadorian ambassador to the US wrote a letter to the editor of the WSJ the other day that talked about this. He made it very clear that the currency would not be similar to bitcoin. He kind of implied that it would look more like paypal.

From what I can tell the currency would be backed by some asset to give it value, and the government would essentially act as a central authority to keep track of who owns how much of the currency.

 ???

Sounds like a clueless bureaucrat.  How can PayPal be similar to a currency? 
Money in your paypal account is backed by dollars at paypal's bank. If you have one dollar at paypal then one dollar is backing your account. The value of your account is not going to ever be more then one dollar because someone could simply deposit one dollar into their own account to get the same value. The value of your account will never be below one dollar because you could simply withdraw the dollar into your bank account.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: Champ92 on September 09, 2014, 02:00:17 PM
And what is the name of the new digital currency? Another bitcoin competitor.


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: aljunking on September 16, 2014, 12:50:40 AM
Is this going to happen? No follow up article just yet?


Title: Re: Ecuador to create own digital currency.
Post by: BTCulture on September 16, 2014, 01:10:33 AM
Isnt ecuador like a poverty country? how can they run bitcoin qt?