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there has been a fuss around the fact that many think its not him writing the "im not dorian nakamoto"
any news on that ?

also, do you think nsa has the ability to know who is satoshi nakamoto if nsa really wanted to know it ?

who gives a shit, go back to being a hater pls.

the username that was talking in 2008 and inventing bitcoin was the exact same username that said ' i am not dorian nakamoto', but no one can of course confirm or deny the face behind the keyboard that typed it. but anyone spouting fud that it was a mis-spelled username and not the username.. is simply wrong.

bitcoin is open source, the white paper is public record and all correspondence are in the publicdomain (forum messages have been logged) so there are no secrets about bitcoin.

if the NSA wanted to go after anyone it would be gavin andressen. and if anyone wants to know more about bitcoin and stuff gavin would know it all. so whats the point in trying to find 'satoshi'

To hijack first 1 million coins?

"i am not dorian nakamoto" is written by real satoshi account. It doesn't matter who write it. It also doesn't matter who is the real satoshi, as long as first blocks remain unspent. That's the beauty of open source and Bitcoin.

I'd like to believe that it is. If it was a hacked account why wouldn't they abuse it a little more and ask for donations?

Why would someone who cares so much about  privacy, with good reasons, gives his own surname to his internet top secret identity ?

Wouldn't make any sense.

Ths is why I believe the message is legit.

the username of 2009 is the same that the username of the 2014 message
It is hardly difficult that it is not genuine

Occam's Razor says that the "I am not Dorian Nakamoto" post was genuine, until someone comes up with some concrete evidence to the contrary.

You will be able to tell when Bitcoin is failing because the owner or owners of the first million coins will begin to sell them.

This can happen if all of the following are true:
1) Satoshi is an individual
2) Satoshi dies
3) Upon death there is a tax liability due. This can be either capital gains upon death, estate taxes or both.
4) Satoshi's estate sells the XBT in order to pay the tax liability.

i believe dorian is not satoshi
and that post is by the real satoshi

He didn't sign that message. So if he really wanted everybody to believe that he was the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto he definitely would have signed the message. If he was still alive he would know about the importance to sign the message as a proof for all the "crypto guys" to believe it was him.
Both, the unspent fortune plus the unsigned message (you can't sign a message when you don't have the private key) is leading to the death of Satoshi Nakamoto.

The sudden end of his writings was happening just after the CIA had raised interest and got involved in Bitcoin. Could be coincidence, but also could point to the reason of his disappearance.

The message could have been dropped for everybody to believe, that at the time of that message he was alive. No key, no sign, no proof, so to me Satoshi is still dead. R.I.P.

Someone admitted that they faked that message with a fake account on that site. Cant remember who and where it wasa but I was shocked as shit and kept search searching until I found this guy admitting it was him that did it as a Joke as he was shitty that everyone beleived that dorian was satoshi, when it CLEARY wasnt

No, I don't think it was genuine... 8) 8)

In my opinion yes that was a real post from Satoshi, short concise and to the point
If I recall the P2Pfoundation website never got back with a report of the details of Satoshi logging in though.
Anyways no real need to sign a message he wants to remain anon and keeps track of whats going on in Bitcoin as an observer.

I'm sceptical. Why wouldn't he have posted here or signed a message?

Well the NSA could be interested in hiring Satoshi. Hell, maybe they even already did, or at least tries :D He seems to be a very very smart person, so why not. But apart from the conspiracy theories, I guess Satoshi just wanted to make sure people know he isn't Dorian.

He is not that smart, if he were smart he would accept that we all have an expiry date and would enjoy the money. People who have issues with enjoying their success have psychological issues and are not some great humanitarian. jmo

He may be brilliant but he is also a socially challenged self loathing individual or maybe so self righteous he cannot damage his rep by spending a dollar.

Meh, either way a nutty guy, if a person at all.

We can't know for sure I guess, but I do believe that it's genuine! Seems to show that Satoshi is still at least watching his experiment and saw the need to interfere when that report was published. I think it was a good 'gesture'!

Satoshi is probably looking at the price of BTC right now and kicking himself for not backing up his private keys  ::)

I believe this was discussed elsewhere...if I recall correctly, it was a db insertion hack and a fairly well known exploit. I think the user login stats on Satoshi on that forum did not update.

Obviously you're the one being challanged talking about dollars on a bitcoin forum.
Bitcoin is not about making dollars dude. You will loose if you keep that mindset

Yes, some known hacker claimed that he did it and pulled a similar prank on this forum, but we don't know for sure if he's lying or not.

My gut feeling is that it was fake. That website had been abandoned and wasn't maintained for years, IIRC it was on a free web host too. The hackers story is believable.

So he hasn't cashed in at all because he believes in his life time the fiat will crash and burn and bitcoin will rise to take it's place and he will be the saviour of the world financial institution.

Like I said...nutty.

Not knocking bitcoin or the idea behind such a currency but can we be realistic for a moment. I can agree that paper money is essentially worthless in terms of backing but at the moment it makes the world go round, thinking you have the best alternative is not the only reason to not cash in a little bit in the process.

After all, there is not a lot he could do with btc to enjoy his life that he could with fiat, just a fact at this moment in time.

That's pretty rich of you calling someone nutty and socially inept just because he has not spent any of his 1 million BTC. For all you know he might already be independently wealthy. After all many innovative tech people have made their own money via ground floor involvement in tech startups and the like. I'm sure he has his own reasons why he hasn't touched those coins, but he doesn't need to explain or justify them to anybody.

I would argue that him attempting to spend/sell any of his bitcoin would likely expose his identity which he does not want, additionally it would likely cause the price of bitcoin to go down when he sells even a small amount, which would make him loose a lot of money while gaining a small amount of fiat.

You really think Satoshi has given his laywer private keys? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I find it highly unlikely that Satoshi would trust his identity(or at least the private keys of blocks that were apparently mined by him).

So now we have to believe he is so independently wealthy he has no need for his coins...

So now if he even sold a little he would crash the market...

So now he can never spend any without revealing his identity.... ( this one I highly doubt, many ways around it)

In the end he is the poorest richest man I know lol

Just think, if he didn't make himself so secretive and just came out early and encouraged us all, the idea, the community etc and lobby for change he could enjoy himself.

Instead he was essentially to smart for his own good.

In fact I would go as far to say as he has made trusting btc as easy as trusting the gov. Hi here, use this, don't ask questions of me or where it came from or how, just use it and be happy.

The NSA IS Satoshi Nakamoto. If not, then it's the CIA. I find it VERY hard to imagine that the governments would just say, "Oh, you want a currency we can't control? Sure, we'll make it legal for you to use it. We don't care about our power." They built it and made it look like someone else did it. It's the One World Currency.

Silly assertion is silly.

What makes you think that we know all the addresses where Satoshi has stored coins?

Probably yes, it was his real profile so?

How do you know it's the American agencies in your conspiracy theory?

He could potentially set something up so that his private keys would be accessible to his heirs upon his death (along with instructions for use).

So you are saying it is possible he has other address?

Id love to hear about these other addresses and how he would have them if he didn't touch his originals further or how any could substitute 100's of millions of dollars.

If the NSA did know then they would just take his Bitcoins without him knowing how they did it. Because he has so many Bitcoins he has every reason not to want to be known.

Around what time did the CIA openly take an interest in Bitcoin?  I can't recall a time period and would like to know more about that story.  It wouldn't surprise me if he has passed but I'd like to think Satoshi is alive and well.  Just sitting back and marveling at how far his experiment has come.   :D

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying. We are pretty sure that a given set of addresses are his, due to analysis of the blocks with an incrementing nonce. But what makes you think he did not also mine on another machine, perhaps on an intermittent basis, thereby randomizing that nonce at each restart? And possibly changing the address to reward at each restart as well?

I can't pretend to know anything about these other (admittedly speculated) addresses, so I can't tell you all about them. But I am wondering why you are so sure that they don't exist. I don't know what 'touching his originals' has to do with anything, nor understand why there might be any need to 'substitute 100's of millions of dollars'.

I see it as a distinct possibility. And one that might allow him to live in relative comfort, if not in lavish style, by cashing in from these other addresses. Such would allow him to do so in a manner undetected, no?

You don't understand about the concept of "open source," do you?

There are a fair number of realistic possibilities as to the identity of Satoshi Nakamoto. The 3-letter alphabet agencies are not among them.

Fact is that since he wrote that post it is pretty obvious that he is still alive and lurks the forum.

Of course it was genuine.
No hackers reported.

Fact is: He didn't write that post and there is no proof that he is still around.

Was the Dorian Nakamoto story an attempt at BTC price fixing? (http://blog.bluemeanie.net/2014/10/dorian-nakamoto-story-btc-price.html)

I think i satoshi  is not only one person,
May be an organization!

*Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

*Hal Finney quote: “How do you find someone who has spent a lifetime covering his tracks?…For some, he was a guardian angel. For others, a ghost, who never quite fit in…What’s the S stand for?”

Ray is still active on this forum as "cryddit". He's probably the best source to listen to about this subject:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=146383

* Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Finney, Satoshi, and I discussed how divisible a Bitcoin ought to be.  Satoshi had already more or less decided on a 50-coin per block payout with halving every so often to add up to a 21M coin supply.  Finney made the point that people should never need any currency division smaller than a US penny, and then somebody (I forget who) consulted some oracle somewhere like maybe Wikipedia and figured out what the entire world’s M1 money supply at that time was”.
"We debated for a while about which measure of money Bitcoin most closely approximated; but M2, M3, and so on are all for debt-based currencies, so I agreed with Finney that M1 was probably the best measure".

Note: Satoshi is gone, I'm sure it was a little help from his friends.