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Title: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: newflesh on September 03, 2014, 10:42:15 AM
http://turntabling.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/60s-retro-turntable-orange.jpg

Only just stumbled across this, wouldn't mind having my keys on a slab of vinyl :)

http://www.coindesk.com/new-sound-wallet-stores-private-keys-vinyl/

For digital currency users looking to secure their e-fortune, one project is offering a new way to store private keys: on vinyl.

Sound Wallet promises to store users’ private keys as encrypted audio files across a range of products – including CDs and 7-inch vinyl disks.

Theodore Goodman, the brains behind the project, said he used the iconic format as it is the “ultimate archive medium”.
Records, tapes and digital audio

According to the product’s website, Sound Wallets can be used to store any cryptocurrency, not just bitcoin.

To construct the wallet, a user’s BIP38-encrypted private key is first converted into a sound file. Between 30 and 60 seconds long, this file will simply sound like noise to prying ears.

However, using a simple spectroscope app like AndroSpectro on their phone, the user can decipher their code hidden in the static. Alternatively, any high-resolution spectroscope should do.

The same approach can be used with different media, including CDs and magnetic tapes. This also means that a user’s wallet file could be broadcast, at least in theory.

While Sound Wallet may not appeal to mainstream users, this security-minded product may prove popular with technophiles and audiophiles.

Goodman argues that cold storage is the safest way to secure cryptocurrencies, pointing out some advantages vinyl has over other physical wallets.

He adds that records can outlive memory cards, paper wallets or CDs, which degrade over time. Recent research found that CDs dating from the 1990s are already rotting away in certain conditions.

On the project’s previous Startjoin campaign, Goodman added:

    “Records are the ultimate archive format. You could add the record to your record crate, put it in a frame and hang it on your wall, or store it in your safe.”

Of course, recording vinyl is more demanding than burning a CD or DVD. It requires specialised hardware such as a record lathe, blanks and a turntable (in this case the legendary Technics SL-1200 was employed).

Although the project did not reach its initial crowdfunding target of €8,000, it appears that the wallets are now in production.

For the time being, Sound Wallet offers two products, a CD wallet and a vinyl wallet, priced at 0.02BTC and 0.09BTC respectively.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: notbatman on September 03, 2014, 10:57:03 AM
Groovy!  ;D


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: serje on September 03, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
Now this is innovation!

Having private keys on a vinyl!

If I will ever have a lot of BTC will get one for sure!


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Dabs on September 03, 2014, 02:38:27 PM
But private keys engraved on wood or stainless steel, or a tungsten block will still last longer than plastic.

https://i.imgur.com/W3VkbTN.jpg

http://we.lovebitco.in/img/tungsten.jpg

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The bank can burn down around it and it will still be readable.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: serje on September 03, 2014, 05:28:49 PM
But private keys engraved on a tungsten block

http://we.lovebitco.in/img/tungsten.jpg

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The bank can burn down around it and it will still be readable.

I like this one! You can even cary it around with you and protect yourself from scammers! 


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2014, 06:32:56 PM
But private keys engraved on wood or stainless steel, or a tungsten block will still last longer than plastic.



http://we.lovebitco.in/img/tungsten.jpg

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The bank can burn down around it and it will still be readable.

Does the tungsten bar there really need to be that thick to avoid melting?


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Kickstart4 on September 03, 2014, 06:34:29 PM
That's an amazing idea. This will give additional layer of security and more relief.

Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: serje on September 03, 2014, 06:45:40 PM
But private keys engraved on wood or stainless steel, or a tungsten block will still last longer than plastic.



http://we.lovebitco.in/img/tungsten.jpg

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The bank can burn down around it and it will still be readable.

Does the tungsten bar there really need to be that thick to avoid melting?

the melting temperature for tungsten  is  3.422 °C (​6192 °F) and the boiling temperature is 5.555 °C (​10706 °F)

it doesn't have any importance the thickness .... that bank can burn down on napalm, because napalm only generates temperatures of 800 to 1,200 degrees Celsius (1,500-2,200°F)
and you go there and take your private key back like a boss!


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
But private keys engraved on wood or stainless steel, or a tungsten block will still last longer than plastic.



http://we.lovebitco.in/img/tungsten.jpg

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The bank can burn down around it and it will still be readable.

Does the tungsten bar there really need to be that thick to avoid melting?

the melting temperature for tungsten  is  3.422 °C (​6192 °F) and the boiling temperature is 5.555 °C (​10706 °F)

it doesn't have any importance the thickness .... that bank can burn down on napalm, because napalm only generates temperatures of 800 to 1,200 degrees Celsius (1,500-2,200°F)
and you go there and take your private key back like a boss!

Interesting storage method.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: BitcoinBarrel on September 03, 2014, 07:35:50 PM
Be careful, if any burning Jet fuel lands on that it will surely melt.  :D


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: smoothie on September 03, 2014, 07:38:42 PM
Be careful, if any burning Jet fuel lands on that it will surely melt.  :D

What is the likelihood of that? lol  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: jbrnt on September 03, 2014, 08:15:15 PM
Vinyl gather dust and mould overtime, may not want to entrust my savings into something so fragile. Engrave keys on metal still seems the most practical method.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: StevenS on September 03, 2014, 08:18:42 PM
To construct the wallet, a user’s BIP38-encrypted private key is first converted into a sound file.

...

He adds that records can outlive memory cards, paper wallets or CDs, which degrade over time.

When your memory of the pass phrase fades, the vinyl is useless.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: minerpumpkin on September 03, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
Well yeah if you really want something safe and study, you'd be best off with tungsten or a durable metal. The Vinyl idea is a nice one, but Vinyl isn't exactly the most durable material there is. Also, if you want to store your key on an audio CD, there are simpler ways. You could just use steganography and embed your key in some music track - even better.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: ensurance982 on September 03, 2014, 08:43:19 PM
I think this really caters to hipsters or people who want this for the novelty aspect. It's not really facilitating storing your private keys, nor is it a very safe storage solution or exceptionally durable. Stones or metals with engraved private keys really are a better solution for this!


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: krach on September 03, 2014, 09:55:11 PM
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* bluefirecorp accidentally scratches record.


FUCK! There goes my life savings!


A few scratches wont be an issue. You will still be able to read the private key. Engraved in wood or metal will last longer, that is true, but you cant play it at your next party.

If you think you will forget the passphrase then maybe you should record you speaking the phrase out on a tape, store them in seperate places. You can also make back ups of the sound wallet with tapes or cds ect, of course you could do that with your engraving too, just make a negative copy out of silicone for example.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: oceans on September 03, 2014, 10:17:40 PM
I can see why this would be ideal for some. I personally would prefer metal or stone over vinyl myself but that is just me. I can't imagine vinyl would last too long either to be honest not compared to metal and stone, at least not unless it is kept really safe.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: practicaldreamer on September 03, 2014, 10:21:58 PM

While Sound Wallet may not appeal to mainstream users, this security-minded product may prove popular with .... audiophiles.

Why ? So they can listen to white noise in absolute pristine stereo analogue quality ?

Will they be planning to release it in digital 192khz 24 bit resolution do you think ?  ;D - or won't the dac's be able to capture the full "warmth" of the vinyls rendering of said white noise ? ::)


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Vortex20000 on September 03, 2014, 11:41:35 PM
/me accidentally scratches record.


FUCK! There goes my life savings!
* Vortex20000 tests his nails on a black circle.

FUCK! I'm killing you, Vortex!

--

And that italic text looks dumb.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: johncarpe64 on September 04, 2014, 04:09:23 AM
I can see why this would be ideal for some. I personally would prefer metal or stone over vinyl myself but that is just me. I can't imagine vinyl would last too long either to be honest not compared to metal and stone, at least not unless it is kept really safe.
I think this would open you up to a number of potential attacks. If someone knows that you are playing the disk that contains your private key then they could just "listen" for your private key and steal your funds.

I think that a CD would have a much less chance of being stolen by someone robbing your house or trying to specifically steal your bitcoin, however it is much more likely to be "borrowed" by a friend or be accidentally destroyed via wear and tear. Both vinyl records and CDs also have a much lower temperature at which they can survive in verses paper.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: krach on September 05, 2014, 06:13:23 PM
I like wood and big metal slabs for wallets, all have pros and cons, disadvantage of metal and wood is that it looks like a bitcoin address, the record does not. It is also hard to do a give away with a heavy metal slab
http://soundwallet.net/giveaway/


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Mitchell on September 05, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
It's a great and fun idea, but not that useful if you ask me. I would prefer engraved tungsten any time, any day. It looks much better as well  ;D

I can see why this would be ideal for some. I personally would prefer metal or stone over vinyl myself but that is just me. I can't imagine vinyl would last too long either to be honest not compared to metal and stone, at least not unless it is kept really safe.
I think this would open you up to a number of potential attacks. If someone knows that you are playing the disk that contains your private key then they could just "listen" for your private key and steal your funds.
You clearly don't know what BIP38 is. It encrypts your private key with a password/sentence that you choose. They would steal an encrypted private key and without knowing the code it will be useless for that person.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Fearless on September 05, 2014, 06:30:28 PM
That is a great way of keeping private info safe. I think even the basic encrypting is strong enough to resist cracking for few hundred years I guess. Now this audio one will resist for thousands of years even with fastest supercomputer.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: Mitchell on September 05, 2014, 08:11:31 PM
I like wood and big metal slabs for wallets, all have pros and cons, disadvantage of metal and wood is that it looks like a bitcoin address, the record does not. It is also hard to do a give away with a heavy metal slab
http://soundwallet.net/giveaway/
The giveaway has been solved (and the reward, 1 dollar, wasn't worth the tim, 45 minutes, if you ask me).


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: krach on September 05, 2014, 08:56:27 PM
How many faucets would you have to vist to get that much BTC?


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: bluefirecorp on September 05, 2014, 09:10:24 PM
/me accidentally scratches record.


FUCK! There goes my life savings!
* Vortex20000 tests his nails on a black circle.

FUCK! I'm killing you, Vortex!

--

And that italic text looks dumb.

Cool story bro. It's the
Code:
/me
command. Not color=red like yours.


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: gogxmagog on September 05, 2014, 09:58:26 PM

While Sound Wallet may not appeal to mainstream users, this security-minded product may prove popular with .... audiophiles.

Why ? So they can listen to white noise in absolute pristine stereo analogue quality ?

Will they be planning to release it in digital 192khz 24 bit resolution do you think ?  ;D - or won't the dac's be able to capture the full "warmth" of the vinyls rendering of said white noise ? ::)

oddly enough I own several records that sound a lot like this. Merzbow is probably the best known noise artist. It is definitely NOT for all tastes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music)
I think this novelty is strictly for the collectors! (I want one)


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: krach on September 05, 2014, 10:09:49 PM

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oddly enough I own several records that sound a lot like this. Merzbow is probably the best known noise artist. It is definitely NOT for all tastes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_music
I think this novelty is strictly for the collectors! (I want one)

Well guess how I even got into making these objects? Im a long time noise fan, I had a little tape label in the late 90s.

You might like my project EDUCATOR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuMkI1C_B_Q


Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: gogxmagog on September 09, 2014, 06:58:59 AM
Nice
I've been into a lot of atrax morgue and genocide organ these days

Nichole 12, breathing problem, I'm liking the dark stuff these days

Salapaka sound system is good too it's on internet archive!

It's a nice one! Send your link around to bleak bliss or people of the black circle blogs, Gore ish does reviews too if I remember correctly
They're all blogspot.com



Title: Re: Sound Wallet Stores Your Private Keys on Vinyl
Post by: krach on December 06, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
http://soundwallet.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/soundwallettape-300x300.jpg

DARK TAPE
just like the record a private key is on the tape in audio form