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Title: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: joshv06 on September 04, 2014, 09:01:15 PM With the Hash rate shooting up and mining equipment prices having to go down, how low will it go to where the ASIC manufacturers are no longer making profit?
It seems like we have leveled off at about 28nm and slightly sub GH/W. Will an Ant Miner S3 Cost $100 shipped over seas? Will a Dragon 1.5 TH miner cost $300 shipped over seas? Thoughts? Title: Re: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: DrG on September 04, 2014, 09:04:30 PM Well at some point the margins for profit for the smaller miners become so small it's not worth selling. If it costs Bitmain $25 to ship, $10 for packaging, and $25 for support and warranty work then they're losing $60 to overhead. It may be cheaper for them to just sell it to themselves or to other companies in bulk.
Some are guessing they're going to stop end user sales shortly to keep difficulty from going up. Title: Re: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: Corenin on September 05, 2014, 02:06:04 AM With the Hash rate shooting up and mining equipment prices having to go down, how low will it go to where the ASIC manufacturers are no longer making profit? It seems like we have leveled off at about 28nm and slightly sub GH/W. Will an Ant Miner S3 Cost $100 shipped over seas? Will a Dragon 1.5 TH miner cost $300 shipped over seas? Thoughts? That is why we are seeing more and more cloud mining, cheaper to just build asic and mine immediately next door.. Title: Re: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: goose20 on September 05, 2014, 01:33:36 PM Well at some point the margins for profit for the smaller miners become so small it's not worth selling. If it costs Bitmain $25 to ship, $10 for packaging, and $25 for support and warranty work then they're losing $60 to overhead. It may be cheaper for them to just sell it to themselves or to other companies in bulk. Some are guessing they're going to stop end user sales shortly to keep difficulty from going up. ??? Are you saying they will just sit on the equipment and not use it for a period of time? That makes no business sense to me unless all manufacturers agree to do the same - which I can't imagine will happen. Am confused here.. Title: Re: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: DrG on September 05, 2014, 09:45:48 PM Well at some point the margins for profit for the smaller miners become so small it's not worth selling. If it costs Bitmain $25 to ship, $10 for packaging, and $25 for support and warranty work then they're losing $60 to overhead. It may be cheaper for them to just sell it to themselves or to other companies in bulk. Some are guessing they're going to stop end user sales shortly to keep difficulty from going up. ??? Are you saying they will just sit on the equipment and not use it for a period of time? That makes no business sense to me unless all manufacturers agree to do the same - which I can't imagine will happen. Am confused here.. I didn't ascribe to this idea but others have guessed that it would be in the ASIC manufacturers best interest to not bother to make consumer grade miners. Whatever profit they get from those would cut into their own farm's profits. Title: Re: How low can mining equipment get? Post by: philipma1957 on September 06, 2014, 02:24:01 AM Well at some point the margins for profit for the smaller miners become so small it's not worth selling. If it costs Bitmain $25 to ship, $10 for packaging, and $25 for support and warranty work then they're losing $60 to overhead. It may be cheaper for them to just sell it to themselves or to other companies in bulk. Some are guessing they're going to stop end user sales shortly to keep difficulty from going up. ??? Are you saying they will just sit on the equipment and not use it for a period of time? That makes no business sense to me unless all manufacturers agree to do the same - which I can't imagine will happen. Am confused here.. Not confusing 200ph mining today. 150ph is in the hands of asic builders 50ph in our hands or someone like cloudhashing pbmining. the top builders can build 1th for under 300usd maybe as low as 100usd. my evidence is asicminer sell and ships 8.5th for 7.9btc. this is in the form of 10 tubes. 7.9 btc is about 3800 usd. so they can sell 8.5th for 3800 assembled and shipped and turn a profit. they are selling 1th for about 450 usd and making money on it. Many other companies one like antminer can sell 2 s-3's for 1.16 btc and make money this is about 500 usd for 1th as the new units can do closer to 500gh. Right now AM has a cloud setup once they go cloud they do not need to sell us miners. cex.io pulls in tons with the cloud. GAwminers pulls in tons with a cloud. zoomhash pbmining just mine in house and slowly sell some off in cloud form to suckers (oh customers) Fully cutting the in house guy right out. |