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Title: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 06:12:20 PM Dooglus is continuing this campaign over here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.msg8779404#msg8779404).
[FULL] DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued by Dooglus and BitcoinInformation Hello everyone, In this topic Dooglus and I will keep track of the DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign. It's future is uncertain and we are trying our best to keep everything running. DiceBitco.in closed their topics and asked us to pay out at the end of the period, which is something we will try to do. We have had a lot of suggestions and I thank you all for trying to think with us. We made the decision to stick with the rules that DiceBitco.in has setup. It doesn't matter if you can add a disclaimer or anything, we are going to enforce the rules set by them. I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for. Then you don't need to add a disclaimer. It seems unreasonable to expect anyone to pay you for advertising a site with "this is a scam" tagged onto the ad. Even if the rules don't explicitly prohibit it, common sense does. Why would anyone pay you to say they suck? UPDATE Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Quote Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?" Correct right? Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay according to count of new posts made so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. Rules
Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back. Note 2: If you don't agree with any of the rules, just drop out. Starting an argument won't help you. Note 3: The "You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!" was added before all this happened and will be enforced. (The last edit on the DiceBitco.in Signature topics is 4 days ago). Note 4: If your post count is higher than the 200 maximum, there is a very big chance you won't get paid for the extra ones you made. This is to ensure that we can pay out everyone as good as possible. Note 5: Changes can and will happen. Note 6: Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip: I just found out I have to be offline for the next day or so. I have a lot of driving to do. So no I didn't run off with the escrow coins or anything... I'll be back when I can. Current members
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 06:22:23 PM Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks
What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 06:24:21 PM Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks No, you cannot. A gambling website wouldn't pay you for that.What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month? If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 09, 2014, 06:28:56 PM Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month? You still have not fixed your signature. I PMd you about it 3 days ago and AFAIK doog hinted at it as well... I can post screenshots later if you want to see how it looks. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 06:33:08 PM Continuing from the other thread:
I know about that arrangement macrotheminer, but if Dooglus and I need to pay people we will most likely stop counting after the maximum of 200 posts per month, since we have a very limited amount of funds. I understand. The plan is that dicebitcoin pays out (the final test wether they want to continue the site, IMO) I don't know why they asked My guess is that they are concerned that if they pay out, we keep the 10 BTC and use it to refund people who are owed money for bets that weren't paid out. Basically trust has broken down which is exactly when escrow kicks in. Perhaps once we have paid out the 10 BTC to advertisers, they will resume the campaign as before. Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds. They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen: 1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days) 2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin. 3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 06:38:01 PM Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds. Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going. They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen: 1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days) 2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin. 3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts) We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules. Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 06:40:19 PM Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds. Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going. They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen: 1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days) 2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin. 3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts) We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules. Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession. No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now. Yes, they should pay you all They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Whether or not they continue after that is up to them.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 06:44:10 PM No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now. DiceBitco.in has left us pretty specific instructions: Yes, they should pay you all They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Wether or not they continue after that is up to them.Quote Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service. Where expiration means that the signature period has ended, which is a whole month. So, people will get paid in +- 21 days. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 09, 2014, 06:44:16 PM Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds. Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going. They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen: 1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days) 2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin. 3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts) We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules. Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession. No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now. (Yes, they should pay you all), so they will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Hmm really this is worrying, not the fact bitcoininformation is not trust worth because I know he is, but if all we have is the escrowed BTC to pay from, almost certainly some will miss out, that maths just don't add up. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 06:47:59 PM No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now. DiceBitco.in has left us pretty specific instructions: Yes, they should pay you all They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Wether or not they continue after that is up to them.Quote Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service. Where expiration means that the signature period has ended, which is a whole month. So, people will get paid after 21 days. I have read and do understand that. The thing is this: Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out. If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days.. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 06:51:37 PM I have read and do understand that. The thing is this: We don't even know if 10BTC isn't enough. People might dropout, because they switched to another campaign (for example the dice.ninja one, since it pays biweekly). Nothing is certain at this moment. If it ends up being not enough, bad luck. I made a contract with DiceBitco.in and I'm going to stick with it (and I am pretty sure that Dooglus will agree with me on this).Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out. If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days.. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 06:58:36 PM I have read and do understand that. The thing is this: We don't even know if 10BTC isn't enough. People might dropout, because they switched to another campaign (for example the dice.ninja one, since it pays biweekly). Nothing is certain at this moment. If it ends up being not enough, bad luck. I made a contract with DiceBitco.in and I'm going to stick with it (and I am pretty sure that Dooglus will agree with me on this).Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out. If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days.. They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it. Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 07:03:01 PM OK, I'm not trying to enforce early closing, seems like you've already made your minds. But few concerns:
I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for. ... Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back. So there's no certainty at all whether the early droppers will get paid (anything)? That's inconsistent to what Dooglus said. Also, by allowing early droppers, you don't stick to the original rules. So all the arguments in favour of sticking to the rules and not ending sooner make no sense. If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip. That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify. In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)? Edited: format Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 07:04:15 PM They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it. Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened. And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200? Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 07:09:15 PM OK, I'm not trying to enforce early closing, seems like you've already made your minds. But few concerns: Dooglus calculated that we should have enough in the end to pay for them, but I'm not sure about that. Which is why I added that note. I will talk with him about that as soon as he gets back.I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for. ... Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back. So there's no certainty at all whether the early droppers will get paid (anything)? That's inconsistent to what Dooglus said. Also, by allowing early droppers, you don't stick to the original rules. So all the arguments in favour of sticking to the rules and not ending sooner make no sense. Well, you have a point there. I will talk with Dooglus about that as well. I don't want to make decision like that on my own. We decided to do it this way right now, but you have a good, a very good point. If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip. That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify. In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)? I have no fucking clue. Really, I don't know what I would do with it. I would most likely give it to the campaign participants. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 09, 2014, 07:09:47 PM They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it. Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened. And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200? Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.Thanks for taking charge in this madness by the way, bitcoininformation! Appreciate it! I wont kill you and yes I know they haven't broken the contract as of yet. FULL MEMBER POST COUNT as of now: 779 (0.3895BTC) will update with senior member post count so far. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 09, 2014, 07:29:05 PM Massive fairness from you, bitcoininformation, congratulation !
So, If I want to be paid, I have to wait until the end of the month? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 07:35:08 PM Massive fairness from you, bitcoininformation, congratulation ! Thank you. Dooglus and I are doing everything we can to makes this a smooth ride.So, If I want to be paid, I have to wait until the end of the month? And yes, just wait till the end of this month to get paid. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 09, 2014, 08:26:11 PM good to see that this will continue
what will you do after the campaign is over and there is some money left? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 08:27:17 PM good to see that this will continue I already answered that question: what will you do after the campaign is over and there is some money left? In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)? I have no fucking clue. Really, I don't know what I would do with it. I would most likely give it to the campaign participants.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 08:28:48 PM "Payments will be made every 30th of month. Please allow up to 48h to complete all payments!"
What about February Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: LtPaxIV on September 09, 2014, 08:47:51 PM "Payments will be made every 30th of month. Please allow up to 48h to complete all payments!" What about February i dont get it,what du u mean by saying this?u saying bitcoininformation and doog are not trustworthy enough to do the sig campaign? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 08:48:27 PM "Payments will be made every 30th of month. Please allow up to 48h to complete all payments!" What about February i dont get it,what du u mean by saying this?u saying bitcoininformation and doog are not trustworthy enough to do the sig campaign? Huh? What? I never said that! Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: LtPaxIV on September 09, 2014, 08:53:20 PM so what does "what about february" mean then?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 08:54:47 PM so what does "what about february" mean then? There will be no 30th in February. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 09, 2014, 08:54:56 PM so what does "what about february" mean then? Calm down lol Its a joke i think Feb dosnt have 30 days ;) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 08:54:59 PM That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify. It was absolutely not my intention to be offensive or anything. I do realise that both of you are in pretty fucked up position, DB just left you a mess to clean up, that's not right. I don't know what are the escrow terms, I hope you did get paid for this. Anyway, massive thanks for trying to sort it out. Whatever decision you'll make - I'll respect it. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 09, 2014, 08:55:35 PM There will be no 30th in February. I see the problem and have edited the OP accordingly. This campaign will only be done this month, but the OP was talking about payments every month. Thanks for spotting it ;)I do realise that both of you are in pretty fucked up position, DB just left you a mess to clean up, that's not right. I don't know what are the escrow terms, I hope you did get paid for this. DiceBitco.in said that Dooglus and I could keep everything that's left of the 10BTC after payment, but I'm not sure if there will be anything left and if there is, if I keep it.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: jaberwock on September 09, 2014, 08:56:07 PM so what does "what about february" mean then? Because february has no 30th day, so it would be impossible made payments at 30th in february? Just a bad off topic joke. The campaign won't last until february and last payment was at the 31th, so it doesnt matters Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: awesome31312 on September 09, 2014, 08:59:46 PM so what does "what about february" mean then? Because february has no 30th day, so it would be impossible made payments at 30th in february? Just a bad off topic joke. The campaign won't last until february and last payment was at the 31th, so it doesnt matters Bad off topic joke? It was a legitimate question addressing how serious you were about strictly paying on the 30th of every month. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 09:13:23 PM I do realise that both of you are in pretty fucked up position, DB just left you a mess to clean up, that's not right. I don't know what are the escrow terms, I hope you did get paid for this. DiceBitco.in said that Dooglus and I could keep everything that's left of the 10BTC after payment, but I'm not sure if there will be anything left and if there is, if I keep it.That's the thing, it's possible that there will be nothing left and you'll end up working for free, going through all the post (possibly up to 20k), calculating pay-outs, dealing with complaints and basically doing dicebitcoin's work. That's why I suggested this in the other thread (addressed to dicebitcoin): ... OK. Lets be serious You decided to call it a day and give up on DB, I understand, don't blame you for the decision. But why the hell do you want us to carry on with the signatures till the end of the month? Can't you just give both Dooglus and Bitcoininformation a 'green light' to pay everyone sooner? I suggest giving both of them 0.25 for their trouble, and divide the remaining 9.5BTC proportionally to the rank (it's not complicated, I can do the calculation if needed). In such scenario, everyone should be happy, people would generally get paid slightly less then when reaching max post count, but would be paid sooner and with no further need of posting. Dooglus + Bitcoininformation would get the whole escrow sorted sooner (+would get paid a little) and you wouldn't have to do all the posts verification. Everybody wins. Sounds reasonable? Ps I won't have much trouble in reaching the max post count (and I don't spam and am not very active), if other hit the max too, then 10BTC is not enough. If that happens - it's gonna get pretty messed up + there's a risk that Doog and BTCinformation will end up (involuntarily) being responsible for verification of posts. EDIT: If everyone reaches max post count, it would total 18 BTC Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: johnwest on September 09, 2014, 09:25:04 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo.
Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Jungian on September 09, 2014, 09:31:11 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. Same here. I also think it's wrong that people should have to continue with the ad campaign when the owner called it quits and is very likely to have been a scammer. Instead all the funds should be divided equally amongst the 100 participants. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: jaberwock on September 09, 2014, 09:32:34 PM Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks No, you cannot. A gambling website wouldn't pay you for that.What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month? If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip. The forum has a warning below his announcements: Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here. And most online adversments have similar warnings. I've seen gambling sites in the forum ads, inclusive, and the spots haven't been sold for cheap. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: johnwest on September 09, 2014, 09:33:40 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. Same here. I also think it's wrong that people should have to continue with the ad campaign when the owner called it quits and is very likely to have been a scammer. Instead all the funds should be divided equally amongst the 100 participants. Yea there is no benefit advertise Dicebitco after so much problem and clear sign of scamming. I know they did not scammed all 7.5k BTC but they did at the end around 500-600 BTC easily. And last investor who were busy in RL did not withdraw lost their BTC because of that. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 09, 2014, 09:34:29 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. LOL, thought that's very noble of you, giving up the earnings etc, but then I checked your posts (not one since you enrolled) :) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: johnwest on September 09, 2014, 09:37:09 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. LOL, thought that's very noble of you, giving up the earnings etc, but then I checked your posts (not one since you enrolled) :) So what, I can make posts next 3 weeks easily, is it matter much that I did not posted or not last week. I am not always on PC like some others who stay online everytime here. I have my RL and very happy with that. Campaign earning I use just like bonus not for feed myself. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: furiousjack on September 09, 2014, 09:40:17 PM They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it. Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened. And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200? Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: jaberwock on September 09, 2014, 09:42:45 PM They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it. Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened. And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200? Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.The campaign added to possibility to pay for more than 200 posts in case-by-case analysis, but no guarantee about that. It is not something they invented only now. Check the original thread to see by yourself. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 10:15:08 PM @dooglus / @bitcoininformation:
Which rule specifically prohibits inclusion of a disclaimer? By interpreting the rules to have this clause based on 'common sense', you are making an equitable decision. If you're willing to make this equitable decision, you should have no problem to also make another which is that the circumstances surrounding advertising DiceBitco.in has significantly changed. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 10:19:12 PM Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. LOL, thought that's very noble of you, giving up the earnings etc, but then I checked your posts (not one since you enrolled) :) So what, I can make posts next 3 weeks easily, is it matter much that I did not posted or not last week. I am not always on PC like some others who stay online everytime here. I have my RL and very happy with that. Campaign earning I use just like bonus not for feed myself. Sorry I do not want to part anymore with this site, there is so much evidence of scamming by Mateo. Please remove me from list, I do not care if I will get any money or not but will not advertise for scamming site. Same here. I also think it's wrong that people should have to continue with the ad campaign when the owner called it quits and is very likely to have been a scammer. Instead all the funds should be divided equally amongst the 100 participants. left you positive trust ------------------------------- Will be leaving other people that stick with the campaign and/or do not include an appropriate disclaimer negative feedback. I'll write up a new thread detailing my justification soon, and PM people first in case they are unaware. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 10:23:14 PM @dooglus / @bitcoininformation: Which rule specifically prohibits inclusion of a disclaimer? By interpreting the rules to have this clause based on 'common sense', you are making an equitable decision. If you're willing to make this equitable decision, you should have no problem to also make another which is that the circumstances surrounding advertising DiceBitco.in has significantly changed. Also, preferring specific creditors over others doesn't sound like the best way to do this. You should get the total amount owed, and work out the percentage that the 10 BTC covers. Pay everyone in proportion, instead of having some creditors walk away with the full amount and others with 0. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ACCTseller on September 09, 2014, 11:03:38 PM @dooglus / @bitcoininformation: Which rule specifically prohibits inclusion of a disclaimer? By interpreting the rules to have this clause based on 'common sense', you are making an equitable decision. If you're willing to make this equitable decision, you should have no problem to also make another which is that the circumstances surrounding advertising DiceBitco.in has significantly changed. Also, preferring specific creditors over others doesn't sound like the best way to do this. You should get the total amount owed, and work out the percentage that the 10 BTC covers. Pay everyone in proportion, instead of having some creditors walk away with the full amount and others with 0. The majority of the money owed by dicebitco.in (BTC supposedly lost by investors and gamblers due to the nonce skipping bug and the large winnings by the whale) is unsecured and thus should be treated differently then secured creditors. If you are referring to some users getting paid and the ones who leave the campaign early not getting paid, then this is the expected result. The rules of the campaign are that you must keep your signature up the entire period and if you drop out or take down your signature then you are not entitled to payment. It should be noted that there is not any actual evidence that dicebitco.in actually scammed. Everything presented so far is speculation and conspiracy theories (I agree that it does look very bad, but they should at least be given the benefit of the doubt). To essentially amounts to blackmailing users into taking down their signature or modify it in a way that would make advertising ineffective is not the right thing to do. Anyone could equally argue that a disclaimer is warranted for any of the other signature campaigns. The difference in this case is that there is speculation that they scammed and there is essentially an angry mob after the site. Any person considering utilizing the services of any bitcoin related site should do their homework and research the site in question. This research would surely result in them seeing these allegations and can act accordingly. The way the escrows are working is really the most fair for everyone. To the people who are asking for payout early - this would great for you as you would be able to join a new signature campaign early and earn more, however it would be very unfair to dicebitco.in as they would not receive the full amount of advertising they are paying for (although I honestly do not see what good additional advertising would likely do for them - however this is their decision not mine). Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 11:29:16 PM The 10 BTC being held by bitcoininformation and dooglas is essentially collateral to secure that payment be made to participants of the signature campaign. In the event that dicebitco.in defaults on their obligations (does not pay when payment is due - 48 hours after the 30th) then the collateral (BTC in escrow) can be used to repay debt owed to the participants. Any shortfall would then be considered to be a general obligation of dicebitco.in. The majority of the money owed by dicebitco.in (BTC supposedly lost by investors and gamblers due to the nonce skipping bug and the large winnings by the whale) is unsecured and thus should be treated differently then secured creditors. I agree, the escrowed 10 BTC should be used for the signature ad campaign. Quote If you are referring to some users getting paid and the ones who leave the campaign early not getting paid, then this is the expected result. The rules of the campaign are that you must keep your signature up the entire period and if you drop out or take down your signature then you are not entitled to payment. dooglus has already made an equitable measure that disregarded the actual rules. He can (and I argue he should) disregard this rule too for equity. Quote It should be noted that there is not any actual evidence that dicebitco.in actually scammed. There is. There are people who should have won BTC, but did not. DiceBitco.in has refused to pay them the winnings that they are entitled to. Think about it, is it not scamming when you truly won a jackpot, but you are refused payout because you didn't gamble and lose all your deposited BTC? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 09, 2014, 11:37:39 PM Just noticed this 'note':
Note 3: The "You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!" was added before all this happened and will be enforced. (The last edit on the DiceBitco.in Signature topics is 4 days ago). That's not something you can enforce. You can only enforce new additions to people who (re)sign up after that date. DiceBitco.in cannot make a rule saying "New rule: we hare reducing payouts by 90%, bye" and have it apply to people who already signed up and agreed to the rules in the state as they signed up. Also, adding a disclaimer still means 'You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES'. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ACCTseller on September 10, 2014, 12:06:50 AM Quote If you are referring to some users getting paid and the ones who leave the campaign early not getting paid, then this is the expected result. The rules of the campaign are that you must keep your signature up the entire period and if you drop out or take down your signature then you are not entitled to payment. dooglus has already made an equitable measure that disregarded the actual rules. He can (and I argue he should) disregard this rule too for equity. I disagree that he should ignore the rule that forces users to keep up signatures. I don't think there is any signature campaign that will pay you if you leave the campaign early. Users are being paid for both their time and their posts. If someone were to make a very good post that is looked at by a lot of people on the 3rd of the month, then dicebitco.in should have their signature displayed until the end of the month as this is what they are paying for. The escrow was used to protect users against nonpayment. Until the time comes that users are not paid the funds should remain in escrow. Granted it may not be necessary to wait until 48 hours after the period ends to pay users as they have indicated that users should be paid from escrow at the end of the period. Quote It should be noted that there is not any actual evidence that dicebitco.in actually scammed. There is. There are people who should have won BTC, but did not. DiceBitco.in has refused to pay them the winnings that they are entitled to. Think about it, is it not scamming when you truly won a jackpot, but you are refused payout because you didn't gamble and lose all your deposited BTC? It appears that they were trying to prioritize payments somewhat. Your argument is that they profited overall from the bug. This would not be true if they had started with (estimated) 200 BTC and ended with nothing (they claim to be broke). They either did not thoroughly investigate claims of losses enough (and "refunded" people who were not really due a refund) or the nonces were skipped on some non-winning bets as well (causing them to essentially payout huge winnings to a losing lottery ticket). I suspect they likely did not invest enough in pentesting and security......but then again this does assume that mateo is not associated with them. EDIT: Just noticed this 'note': I believe this note was added prior to the last edit, and is really more of a clarification then a rule. The average person should assume this would be required without it being written. Note 3: The "You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!" was added before all this happened and will be enforced. (The last edit on the DiceBitco.in Signature topics is 4 days ago). That's not something you can enforce. You can only enforce new additions to people who (re)sign up after that date. DiceBitco.in cannot make a rule saying "New rule: we hare reducing payouts by 90%, bye" and have it apply to people who already signed up and agreed to the rules in the state as they signed up. Also, adding a disclaimer still means 'You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES'. Also the fact that the post was last edited on a certain date does not mean this statement was added at this time. I doubt that many people noticed it because it is so obvious. All it means is that they added/removed something on this date. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ACCTseller on September 10, 2014, 12:22:23 AM --snip-- @bitcoininformationCurrent members
How did you validate these payment addresses are correct? Was it from the individual enrollment posts throughout the thread or was it from the OP of the signature campaign? I have not personally audited the list to make sure the enrollment posts match your list, however I might want to independently verify these addresses are actually addresses that users intend to have payment sent to. Dicebitco.in may have (intentionally or not) have incorrect payment addresses on the OP. If he was paying out then it would not be an issue, but since any payments sent to any address would be coming from a very limited set of funds it should be somewhat confirmed by each member. Either via PMing all the users in the campaign, starting a new thread for users to post their payout address, or using the address on the user's profile (similar to how PD pays out), or some other way. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 10, 2014, 12:44:30 AM --snip-- @bitcoininformationCurrent members
How did you validate these payment addresses are correct? Was it from the individual enrollment posts throughout the thread or was it from the OP of the signature campaign? I have not personally audited the list to make sure the enrollment posts match your list, however I might want to independently verify these addresses are actually addresses that users intend to have payment sent to. Dicebitco.in may have (intentionally or not) have incorrect payment addresses on the OP. If he was paying out then it would not be an issue, but since any payments sent to any address would be coming from a very limited set of funds it should be somewhat confirmed by each member. Either via PMing all the users in the campaign, starting a new thread for users to post their payout address, or using the address on the user's profile (similar to how PD pays out), or some other way. Interesting theory ! Mines correct by the way :) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: franckuestein on September 10, 2014, 12:57:22 AM ^ ACCTseller
I've checked my post count and wallet address, too. They're both correct on the OP and we have to trust bitcoininformation and Dooglus. They're trying to do the best for the last month of the Dicebitco.in campaign ;) We have to be patient and don't disturb, payments are going to be send on the pay-days. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 12:59:44 AM Have you seen evidence that all skipped nonces should have been a winning roll? If you have not seen this evidence then the more accurate thing to say would be people who probably should have won BTC did not. DiceBitco.in has admitted that only winning rolls had skipped nonces. Quote from: DiceBitco.in This "dude" (he used to say all the time) had accomplished to commit code into production that DID SKIP WINNING BETS on specified accounts. When he wanted to "alter" an account he added a field that flagged the account and made it skip winning rolls with maximum skips = 1. He has also posted a small source code excerpt (now deleted) that has shown it *only* skipped winning bets. Quote It appears that they were trying to prioritize payments somewhat. Your argument is that they profited overall from the bug. This would not be true if they had started with (estimated) 200 BTC and ended with nothing (they claim to be broke). They either did not thoroughly investigate claims of losses enough (and "refunded" people who were not really due a refund) or the nonces were skipped on some non-winning bets as well (causing them to essentially payout huge winnings to a losing lottery ticket). That's not my argument, they are scammers if they don't pay people winnings they should have received - even if they lost money themselves. I think they have refunded people not due for a refund (they might have lost nearly the same amount without the skipped nonces), but I still consider them to be scammers if anyone made a loss due to the rigging, whether in lost deposits or in lost winnings. Quote from: DiceBitco.in but in the meantime we are calling all the users that have lost bitcoins to verify their bets and if even only one bet has been skipped we will refund their deposit up to one satoshi Quote I believe this note was added prior to the last edit, and is really more of a clarification then a rule. The average person should assume this would be required without it being written. Also the fact that the post was last edited on a certain date does not mean this statement was added at this time. I doubt that many people noticed it because it is so obvious. All it means is that they added/removed something on this date. I agree with what you mean (the other original rules would cover it), but BitcoinInformation is implying that this is statement itself had merit retroactively which is not correct. ----- The campaign is paid per post. While people swapping mid campaign would result in less exposure for DiceBitco.in, I don't think it's unfair for them to be paid the amount for the post they've already made during this month's period. After all, someone could make 200 high quality posts in the last day, claim the payout for the month, and then remove the signature. IMO, the most fair resolution would be letting everyone drop out and pay for the posts made up to this point. They should receive equal treatment to others who has a claim to the signature ad funds. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ACCTseller on September 10, 2014, 01:01:43 AM ^ ACCTseller I am not saying that bitcoininformatoin and dooglas are doing anything less then a good job at managing the campaign, I am just speculating that the source of their information may not be the best source of information. Kind of like recommending them to CYAI've checked my post count and wallet address, too. They're both correct on the OP and we have to trust bitcoininformation and Dooglus. They're trying to do the best for the last month of the Dicebitco.in campaign ;) We have to be patient and don't disturb, payments are going to be send on the pay-days. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ACCTseller on September 10, 2014, 01:19:58 AM Have you seen evidence that all skipped nonces should have been a winning roll? If you have not seen this evidence then the more accurate thing to say would be people who probably should have won BTC did not. DiceBitco.in has admitted that only winning rolls had skipped nonces. Quote from: DiceBitco.in This "dude" (he used to say all the time) had accomplished to commit code into production that DID SKIP WINNING BETS on specified accounts. When he wanted to "alter" an account he added a field that flagged the account and made it skip winning rolls with maximum skips = 1. He has also posted a small source code excerpt (now deleted) that has shown it *only* skipped winning bets. Quote It appears that they were trying to prioritize payments somewhat. Your argument is that they profited overall from the bug. This would not be true if they had started with (estimated) 200 BTC and ended with nothing (they claim to be broke). They either did not thoroughly investigate claims of losses enough (and "refunded" people who were not really due a refund) or the nonces were skipped on some non-winning bets as well (causing them to essentially payout huge winnings to a losing lottery ticket). That's not my argument, they are scammers if they don't pay people winnings they should have received - even if they lost money themselves. I think they have refunded people not due for a refund (they might have lost nearly the same amount without the skipped nonces), but I still consider them to be scammers if anyone made a loss due to the rigging, whether in lost deposits or in lost winnings. Quote from: DiceBitco.in but in the meantime we are calling all the users that have lost bitcoins to verify their bets and if even only one bet has been skipped we will refund their deposit up to one satoshi I wouldn't think it would have been that difficult to search their database for skipped nonces and paid out what should have been winning bets the winning amount. Quote I believe this note was added prior to the last edit, and is really more of a clarification then a rule. The average person should assume this would be required without it being written. Also the fact that the post was last edited on a certain date does not mean this statement was added at this time. I doubt that many people noticed it because it is so obvious. All it means is that they added/removed something on this date. I agree with what you mean (the other original rules would cover it), but BitcoinInformation is implying that this is statement itself had merit retroactively which is not correct. ----- You are correct that they could make 200 posts on the last day, however most users would likely not do this. They likely priced their campaign based on likely averages of posts made over time. It would also remove any incentive for people who have already posted the max to stay in the campaign as they would gain nothing by doing so. Dicebitco.in would be loosing out on this exposure they are due. The campaign is paid per post. While people swapping mid campaign would result in less exposure for DiceBitco.in, I don't think it's unfair for them to be paid the amount for the post they've already made during this month's period. After all, someone could make 200 high quality posts in the last day, claim the payout for the month, and then remove the signature. IMO, the most fair resolution would be letting everyone drop out and pay for the posts made up to this point. They should receive equal treatment to others who has a claim to the signature ad funds. It would also be unfair to users who are not posting as much now (for example because they are on vacation) but would post more towards the end of the month. People that leave now would be guaranteed a full payout , while the people that stay may not get the same rate per post. They would essentially be penalized for giving dicebitco.in the exposure they are paying for. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Omikifuse on September 10, 2014, 01:34:56 AM I will drop for campaign, since the new events.
I made only 8 posts so far, not including this one, so I won't be paid anyway. Good luck for those who stay. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 10, 2014, 06:36:19 AM @bitcoininformation How did you validate these payment addresses are correct? Was it from the individual enrollment posts throughout the thread or was it from the OP of the signature campaign? I have not personally audited the list to make sure the enrollment posts match your list, however I might want to independently verify these addresses are actually addresses that users intend to have payment sent to. Dicebitco.in may have (intentionally or not) have incorrect payment addresses on the OP. If he was paying out then it would not be an issue, but since any payments sent to any address would be coming from a very limited set of funds it should be somewhat confirmed by each member. Either via PMing all the users in the campaign, starting a new thread for users to post their payout address, or using the address on the user's profile (similar to how PD pays out), or some other way. Good point. Everyone should double-check their details, just to make sure. My addy and number of posts are correct. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 07:07:42 AM @bitcoininformation Dooglus created the list posted in the OP, so I don't know how he got the addresses and starting posts. I'm assuming he copied it from the DiceBitco.in OP. Please do check that list if everything checks out. How did you validate these payment addresses are correct? Was it from the individual enrollment posts throughout the thread or was it from the OP of the signature campaign? I have not personally audited the list to make sure the enrollment posts match your list, however I might want to independently verify these addresses are actually addresses that users intend to have payment sent to. Dicebitco.in may have (intentionally or not) have incorrect payment addresses on the OP. If he was paying out then it would not be an issue, but since any payments sent to any address would be coming from a very limited set of funds it should be somewhat confirmed by each member. Either via PMing all the users in the campaign, starting a new thread for users to post their payout address, or using the address on the user's profile (similar to how PD pays out), or some other way. TradeFortress, please tell me what rules we changed, as far as I know we didn't change anything. We did say that we will payout people that drop out as good as possible, but this is done with the funds that we get when we paid out everyone that sticked with the campaign. The "no changes allowed"-rule is nothing more then a clarification in my opinion. All signature campaigns enforce this by either assuming that people will respect that common rule or by stating this in their OP: ... 3. Do not remove your signature or edit your initial post for 30 days ... ... So I do not think that this is a equitable decision.You will be disqualified and barred from the campaign if: - you change or alter the signature during participation - you do not meet the 50 post requirement after your time is up - you make the majority of your qualified posts in a small time frame - you cause serious trouble on this forum such as a flamewar or scam ... Quote IMO, the most fair resolution would be letting everyone drop out and pay for the posts made up to this point. They should receive equal treatment to others who has a claim to the signature ad funds. I have always been for this option, but that would violate the contract I have with DiceBitco.in. It clearly states that we use the escrow-ed funds if they don't pay out. Yes, the situation has changed, but that doesn't make the contract invalid as far as I known. The contract is the following (if you find anything that could be used as a loophole, do tell me): BitcoinInformation Escrow First Draft30-07-2014 Basic Information This message will be a binding contract between Dicebitco.in and BitcoinInformation, which ensures payment of campaign members which take part in the "[DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717300.0)"-campaign. BitcoinInformation will be send a specified amount of coins which will be used to pay campaign participants if Dicebitco.in defaults or disappears. If Dicebitco.in pays in time the coins will be returned. Fee's BitcoinInformation won't charge anything for this service, but donations are always welcome. Amount of coins to hold onto The coins that will be escrowed are 5BTC Procedure The agreed amount of coins that BitcoinInformation will hold onto will be send to the following address: 1ExgQhoWP9aEJrSYgHKRt9EF8Hwa8aFprF (http://blockchain.info/address/1ExgQhoWP9aEJrSYgHKRt9EF8Hwa8aFprF). Once received, BitcoinInformation will sign a message stating that he is in control of these coins to proof to the participants of the campaign that escrow has been done through BitcoinInformation. BitcoinInformation will return the coins to Dicebitco.in, once they did there first payment. If they fail to do so, the coins will be used to reimburse the participants. Agreement If Dicebitco.in agrees with this contract he shall send the coins to the address specified above. If Dicebitco.in does not agree they are welcome to send suggestion to BitcoinInformation which will be used to improve this contract. In the end I will have to talk with Dooglus about how we continue this. You can disagree as much as you like, but I can't do anything until he gets back (since this is something we both agreed upon doing). This, however, doesn't mean I am behind it. I really prefer to just pay people for the posts they make and be done with it. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 07:40:27 AM TradeFortress, please tell me what rules we changed, as far as I know we didn't change anything. We did say that we will payout people that drop out as good as possible, but this is done with the funds that we get when we paid out everyone that sticked with the campaign. You previously have said that you will pay out in order, instead of proportionally. Here's the quote from your OP: Quote Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back. You shouldn't be prioritizing any signature ad campaign creditor over another signature ad campaign creditor. So, you shouldn't 'pay out group X, then pay out group Y if there is any left'. Rather, you should add the sum of all owed amounts, find the % that is covered by the 10 BTC deposit, and spread out all shortfall equally at the end of the contract. ---- re email response: "We did say that we will payout people that drop out as good as possible, but this is done with the funds that we get when we paid out everyone that sticked with the campaign (so the funds that are left over from the campaign itself). I hope this explains that": People who did not drop out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed. People who dropped out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed. They have the same claims to the escrowed amount, and should not be treated any differently. ---- Quote We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough I think it is irresponsible to continue this campaign if you are not certain if it is enough, actually. Imagine if you escrowed selling a miner, but couldn't pay the seller in full because the buyer never sent enough. Is that acceptable? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 07:45:28 AM You shouldn't be prioritizing any signature ad campaign creditor over another signature ad campaign creditor. So, you shouldn't 'pay out group X, then pay out group Y if there is any left'. Rather, you should add the sum of all owed amounts, find the % that is covered by the 10 BTC deposit, and spread out all shortfall equally at the end of the contract. Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now.---- re email response: "We did say that we will payout people that drop out as good as possible, but this is done with the funds that we get when we paid out everyone that sticked with the campaign (so the funds that are left over from the campaign itself). I hope this explains that": People who did not drop out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed. People who dropped out are owed money from the signature campaign which you have escrowed. They have the same claims to the escrowed amount, and should not be treated any differently. Quote We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough I think it is irresponsible to continue this campaign if you are not certain if it is enough, actually. Imagine if you escrowed selling a miner, but couldn't pay the seller in full because the buyer never sent enough. Is that acceptable? [/quote]It is not, which is why I will talk to Dooglus as soon as I get back, which I stated before if I am not mistaken. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 08:05:29 AM Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now. Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty. Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue. I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 10, 2014, 08:12:43 AM Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty. What's more important, Dooglus stated (yesterday) that whoever decide to drop their sig , will get paid for that period: ... I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for. Then you don't need to add a disclaimer. It seems unreasonable to expect anyone to pay you for advertising a site with "this is a scam" tagged onto the ad. Even if the rules don't explicitly prohibit it, common sense does. Why would anyone pay you to say they suck? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pabloangello on September 10, 2014, 08:15:46 AM Can I join this? And can I have others things in my signature despite DiceBitco.in sig?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 08:20:36 AM Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty. Well, this isn't a normal situation. Normally someone that does escrow doesn't have to do all of this. They either send back the money to the owner of the campaign or pay the campaign members fairly. Us running the whole campaign was never the plan nor something we wanted. We just stepped up and are trying to do our best. Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue. I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature. Your internet plan isn't a good example, since signature campaigns have a fixed rule: "If you drop out, you get nothing". Period. Dooglus and I decided to pay people who dropped out as good as possible, because it seems unfair to us to not get paid, because you don't want to advertise a website that is highly suspicious and scamming people. TradeFortress, what do you want us to do? Pay out right now? I would love to, but I can't do anything without Dooglus (like I said before). What's more important, Dooglus stated (yesterday) that whoever decide to drop their sig , will get paid for that period: I already stated why he said this and what my opinion is about this. Please read the whole topic. -snip- Can I join this? And can I have others things in my signature despite DiceBitco.in sig? No, read the OP and the title.Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 08:22:09 AM Can I join this? And can I have others things in my signature despite DiceBitco.in sig? :D----- What's more important, Dooglus stated (yesterday) that whoever decide to drop their sig , will get paid for that period: So it seems like bitcoininformations's claimed preferential treatment is something he invented himself, which I have suspected (as I believed dooglus's intelligence is much higher than that). Quote TradeFortress, what do you want us to do? Pay out right now? I would love to, but I can't do anything without Dooglus (like I said before). No? I am simply asking you to treat people who drop out the same way as you treat people who stick to the campaign. You'd pay both groups out at the end of the month, but shouldn't give any sort of preference to any group. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 08:24:38 AM Your internet plan isn't a good example, since signature campaigns have a fixed rule: "If you drop out, you get nothing". Yes it is. My internet plan has a contractual obligation where I must pay about $30 per remaining month if I terminate it early. This 'fixed rule' was waived when surrounding circumstances changed. You are applying *this* statement literally, to the letter, and overriding any other circumstance or context. Despite the rule never existing in the first place in this campaign. But there's no point in debating that, I'm simply asking you to treat all creditors equally. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 08:27:18 AM This is the conversation that Dooglus and I had about that paying people when they drop out part. Dooglus was sure we could payout, I am not (which is why I added the note).
Quote Mitchell: and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for. Did you calculate that that's possible? *calculate if that's possible? If not, please change it to something else. By saying that you make a commitment that dropped out users get paid. I still prefer to just payout and be done with it... Dooglus: I made a spreadsheet to calculate payments Mitchell: So, how much is it if everyone makes the max. posts possible? Dooglus: [URL] after 9 days the payments come to ~5 BTC Mitchell: I see nothing at that url (except your website) Dooglus: sorry - now? Mitchell: Got it Well, that is just 9 days you know... We have 21 to go We can't pay that much, there is no way Dooglus: I expect lots of people will drop out I know I would esp. since we won't allow "disclaimers" maybe post that we owe 4.4 BTC already after just 9 days, so won't be able to pay in full probably Mitchell: Alright, that sounds good I would love to payout everyone, but if we can't, well, we need to change something. I am not saying that what I said is what is going to happen. Because I need to talk to Dooglus before we change anything. Not going to say that again. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: asdlolciterquit on September 10, 2014, 08:44:46 AM Just a question: for october, you will open a new thread where i can sign in?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 10, 2014, 08:45:37 AM I would love to payout everyone, but if we can't, well, we need to change something. I am not saying that what I said is what is going to happen. Because I need to talk to Dooglus before we change anything. Not going to say that again. A question, has anyone actually dropped out yesterday? Other than those 2 guys who had no posts anyway. If not, the problem is non-existent. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 08:47:08 AM A question, has anyone actually dropped out yesterday? Other than those 2 guys who had no posts anyway. If not, the problem is non-existent. Yes. 322685 256837 131711 131716 132620 66776 173984 154721 19897 Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 08:47:19 AM Just a question: for october, you will open a new thread where i can sign in? No.I'm think that I'm going to ignore most question until Dooglus gets back, because I cannot do anything without him. TradeFortress, I do appreciate the input, even though it might not seem that way. If you want to continue talking, just send me an email. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Hell-raiser on September 10, 2014, 10:02:27 AM Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now. Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty. Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue. I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature. I think this should be considered as spamming. You have no connection to this campaign, so you are not entitled to demand anything from the participants in this campaign. Threats of negative feedback are really pathetic from a guy who himself has a negative trust as low as -539... Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: asdlolciterquit on September 10, 2014, 10:20:58 AM Just a question: for october, you will open a new thread where i can sign in? No.I'm think that I'm going to ignore most question until Dooglus gets back, because I cannot do anything without him. TradeFortress, I do appreciate the input, even though it might not seem that way. If you want to continue talking, just send me an email. so, since i'm in the september list, i don't need to sign again. Thanks Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 10:52:22 AM I think this should be considered as spamming. You have no connection to this campaign, so you are not entitled to demand anything from the participants in this campaign. Threats of negative feedback are really pathetic from a guy who himself has a negative trust as low as -539... You do not need a connection to leave negative feedback. I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because: 1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread. 2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it. 3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy. If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based. so, since i'm in the september list, i don't need to sign again. Thanks Have you read the rest of the thread? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Hell-raiser on September 10, 2014, 10:57:07 AM I think this should be considered as spamming. You have no connection to this campaign, so you are not entitled to demand anything from the participants in this campaign. Threats of negative feedback are really pathetic from a guy who himself has a negative trust as low as -539... You do not need a connection to leave negative feedback. I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because: 1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread. 2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it. 3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy. If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based. By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it. What you are going to do is called blackmail, and I'm doubtful that you do it just for personal reasons. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 11:02:08 AM By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it. If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy? If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: LtPaxIV on September 10, 2014, 11:06:14 AM Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now. Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty. Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty. Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue. I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature. i got this PM.i did report it to the admins,because i feel blackmailed by this user.i mean there is a reason why he has over -500 negative trust.blackmailing others wont make it better. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Hell-raiser on September 10, 2014, 11:11:15 AM By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it. If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy? If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month. This "scam" is no longer active, as far as I know (so it won't hurt anyone), but your intentions are dubious at best. In fact, you have nothing to lose (read reputation), so no wonder you can stick to such dirty practices as blackmailing, and I won't be surprised that you yourself are doing this on grounds far from being entirely altruistic. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 11:19:52 AM -snip- i got this PM.i did report it to the admins,because i feel blackmailed by this user.i mean there is a reason why he has over -500 negative trust.blackmailing others wont make it better. The best part about the PM is: -snip- I do not accept PMs. To contact me, please email me at ciphertext@cryptolab.net (make sure to mention your Bitcointalk name). TF if you do not accept PMs, dont send them. By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it. If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy? If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month. I am not aware that dicebitco.in is a scam. I had coins invested there and could divest them without any problems even though "shit" allready hit the fan. Whether wins that resulted from the malicous code should be repaid or not is a decision they had to make. They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins. IMHO a complete rollback would be fair, yet would result in those you claim "scammed" in less coins than they have now. How does that make them scammers? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 11:22:12 AM This "scam" is no longer active, as far as I know (so it won't hurt anyone), but your intentions are dubious at best. In fact, you have nothing to lose (read reputation), so no wonder you can stick to such dirty practices as blackmailing, and I won't be surprised that you yourself are doing this on grounds far from being entirely altruistic. DiceBitco.in has scammed, and they have not compensated all the users that were scammed. Until they compensate all the users that were scammed, they are a scam. I find it preposterous that you assume (i) I have not lost money in DiceBitco.in and (ii) that I have dubious intentions beyond justice. I don't think leaving trust feedback for untrustworthy actions, while notifying people in advance (some haven't signed into this forum for a while, but their sig is still up) is anywhere near blackmail. Plenty of people here leave feedback for other people's scams, and plenty of people threaten to leave negative feedback if a scammer does not compensate. I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because: 1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread. 2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it. 3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy. If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based. Do you disagree with any of this? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 11:24:34 AM They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins. Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money :D Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: PeanutCoins on September 10, 2014, 11:31:15 AM They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins. Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money :D wow this is coming from a man who scammed a shit load of users, maybe TF is mad he didnt think of that Scam and is jealous???? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Ayers on September 10, 2014, 11:31:39 AM i received a msg someone intimidating me that if i would not remove the adv sign, he neg trust me, what should i do? is this campaign legit?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 10, 2014, 11:44:32 AM Your a fucking idiot TF
Now let me spin this around into another way, your actions could be construed as scamming Hypothetical of coarse ! Lets say you and bitcoininformation and the other fella have all got together and you have 10BTC in hand ( escrow funds as I understand it ). Now what's the best way of keeping the said funds without being accused of scamming ? The answer is threaten, blackmail and generally spout shit and slowly get people to remove them selfs from the campaign. This of coarse would then leave less BTC needed to be paid out at the end of the month thus leaving more left over, to either be sent back, or kept as per the original statement that said any spare funds could be kept. So in short your trying to force people out of the campaign so YOU and your friends can benefit.!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now I happen to trust bitcoininformation so in reality the above scenario will not happen, and I feel bitcoininformation is doing a good job and is now stuck between a rock and hard place because of your immature and childish bull shit TF. I don't give a fuck what you threaten me with, I live my own life and I'm happy with it and I don't care if the site in my signature has been accused of scamming it is down to the individual to do their own due dillagance before investing in anything, its the same in real life with fiat. Plus having looked at the site this morning it dosn't seem to have done them much harm, there is plenty of BTC flowing there. Rant over now TF run along and annoy someone else ! Cheers Mark Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 11:51:59 AM They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins. Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money :D There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: capoeira on September 10, 2014, 11:55:34 AM (-4)
so, what is happening? why I recieve a PM with a guy threadening my to give negative trust? BTW: I'm Hero now Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 11:55:48 AM There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome. Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation. See this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8716674#msg8716674 Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 10, 2014, 11:56:37 AM Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month ;).
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 10, 2014, 11:59:58 AM Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month ;). Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy :)Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 10, 2014, 12:15:51 PM Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month ;). Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy :)I'm sorry for that , but it is not my decision . Do you understand what i mean ? Have a nice day . Ps: I don't prove anything ;) . Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 10, 2014, 12:34:24 PM All those who are carrying the signature atleast add a message after the posts saying that the site is in trouble. Sig carriers are effectively sending people there to gamble while being aware that they might get scammed. They should be warned at the very least.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 12:38:47 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 12:39:29 PM There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome. Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation. See this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8716674#msg8716674 Done act like you dont understand me. The rolls are deterministic the players are not. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 10, 2014, 12:44:11 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 10, 2014, 12:45:18 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Why do you want to keep promoting it now that you are aware that it is dodgy? You are pretty much making others lose money. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 10, 2014, 12:48:02 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Why do you want to keep promoting it now that you are aware that it is dodgy? You are pretty much making others lose money. No, I only want to understand all of history, because all is so strange ::) Anyway, life of this campaign will not beat 1 week. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 12:50:07 PM The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126)
What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Quote Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?" Correct right? Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay according to count of new posts made so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 10, 2014, 12:50:14 PM TF, thanks for your pm.
Hi, You currently carry DiceBitco.in in your forum signature. DiceBitco.in has scammed by rigging the dice rolls through skipping betting nonces. DiceBitco.in has not compensated all affected users for the rigging. You can read more about the DiceBitco.in scam here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0 Please don't promote scams - please join a different signature ad campaign. You will still be paid for posts made up to this point. You will not lose out on earnings. To review your signature, go to Profile -> Forum Profile Information. I consider promoting scams (like this site) untrustworthy, and will be leaving you negative trust if you continue to promote it. PS: I do not accept PMs. To contact me, please email me at ciphertext@cryptolab.net (make sure to mention your Bitcointalk name). Thanks! Other thing, If I went into agreement and obliged myself to wear the sig for the full month, wouldn't dropping it and breaking the contract be considered 'untrustworthy'? Also, can you prove (above any doubt) that DB is currently scamming players? ps Reported your pm to admins Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 10, 2014, 12:50:39 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. Ok , thanks ;) . ( I think this is a good decision :) ) . Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 10, 2014, 12:52:00 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. I think that is a very fair compromise and one to be applauded. Further more after my payment I would like to remove my self from this campaign, not just because its an alleged fraud but because it has no future. I would also like to put on record that I think bitcoininformation has been put in an extremely hard position by the cock TF and that he ( bitcoininformation ) has acted correctly in refusing to bow to the clowns request ! Cheers Mark Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 10, 2014, 12:54:09 PM Payment received and sig. removed ;) . Thanks for all @bitcoininformation and @dooglus.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 12:54:18 PM The remaining coins (0.226BTC) have been send to Dooglus: 3488f07ff5101b0185d312fff566709a14c71e98b87b0ff593bf9b799b85f8ad (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/3488f07ff5101b0185d312fff566709a14c71e98b87b0ff593bf9b799b85f8ad).
All the escrow-ed coins that have been send to me are now gone. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: alani123 on September 10, 2014, 12:58:35 PM bitcoininformation, thanks so much. Thanks you for taking this decision and getting us out of this sticky situation. :)
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Finchy on September 10, 2014, 01:02:01 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. I think that is a very fair compromise and one to be applauded. Agreed. I think this was best. People shouldn't have to carry this on if it's been confirmed as a scam and the op no longer wants anything to do with it. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 10, 2014, 01:03:43 PM @Bitcoininformation I've left you a feedback , thanks again !
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: pawel7777 on September 10, 2014, 01:05:59 PM Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. Thanks for that. Payment received. Sig changed so not participating anymore, hope there will be anything left for you and Doog to split. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: SOAD on September 10, 2014, 01:07:15 PM I don't give a fuck what you threaten me with, I live my own life and I'm happy with it and I don't care if the site in my signature has been accused of scamming it is down to the individual to do their own due dillagance before investing in anything, its the same in real life with fiat. so, what is happening? why I recieve a PM with a guy threadening my to give negative trust? BTW: I'm Hero now Just report his spam as unsolicited mail and he'll probably get a well deserved ban. Threatening people with feedback this way is a total douche move. Props to bitcoininformation for doing the right thing. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: the_K_man on September 10, 2014, 01:09:28 PM How much do you earn with this signature?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: alani123 on September 10, 2014, 01:11:52 PM How much do you earn with this signature? You can't enter anymore. Even the title says full...Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 01:11:58 PM How much do you earn with this signature? nothing if you cant read Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: capoeira on September 10, 2014, 01:16:23 PM leaving campain with 1576 posts
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: niktitan132 on September 10, 2014, 01:44:47 PM Tnx for the payment.I'm going out of this signature campaign.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: djnocide on September 10, 2014, 02:14:24 PM going out of the campaign but good job on how you handle everything
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 02:17:46 PM for 60 posts i will get 0.03 btc right?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: keithers on September 10, 2014, 02:26:00 PM I'm confused. Does anyone have the cliff notes of what is going on? I read theough first page of posts but didnt find anything. I havent been really following dicebitco thread.
I did receive a PM from a user that i didnt know who said they would be leaving me negative trust if i left the dicebitco signature because it was confirmed as a scam. Did anyone else get this PM? What is going on? Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: owvpn on September 10, 2014, 02:33:00 PM Sig changed,I've left you a feedback,thanks.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 02:42:23 PM I'm confused. Does anyone have the cliff notes of what is going on? I read theough first page of posts but didnt find anything. I havent been really following dicebitco thread. I did receive a PM from a user that i didnt know who said they would be leaving me negative trust if i left the dicebitco signature because it was confirmed as a scam. Did anyone else get this PM? What is going on? i received the message as well im going to remove it in couple of hours ,because the site is a scam hoping to get paid fast after that you can get paid for posts you made from 1st until now so you can leave and get paid Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 02:44:41 PM Payments for posts made between the 1st and the 10th (at 14.24 GMT+1) have already been sent. I have no idea when Dooglus pays, I do know that you have to keep your signature the whole time. You won't get paid twice for the same posts (of course).
Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Quote Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?" Correct right? Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay according to count of new posts made so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: innocent93 on September 10, 2014, 02:57:51 PM Got the payment and leaving the campaign, I dont know what exactly happened ,but ,hell , the truth is another big campaign is gone.
for 60 posts i will get 0.03 btc right? Yes, it's 0.0005 btc/post for Full Member . Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: chadwickx16 on September 10, 2014, 03:03:48 PM Payments for posts made between the 1st and the 10th (at 14.24 GMT+1) have already been sent. I have no idea when Dooglus pays, I do know that you have to keep your signature the whole time. You won't get paid twice for the same posts (of course). Payment received! Thanks bitcoininformation and dooglus for your due diligence. I'll be removing my sig later today.Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right? Quote Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?" Correct right? Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay according to count of new posts made so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 03:07:09 PM Got the payment and leaving the campaign, I dont know what exactly happened ,but ,hell , the truth is another big campaign is gone. for 60 posts i will get 0.03 btc right? Yes, it's 0.0005 btc/post for Full Member . okey how much did it take you to get paid ? also after this i dont know where to go :( because o most all campagains are really low paying :( Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Finchy on September 10, 2014, 03:15:02 PM Most campaigns are full so you'll have a hard time even joining one of the low paying ones, and this campaign closing with a load of members is going to make it even worse to join ones now.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Dr. Pepper on September 10, 2014, 03:16:31 PM Yeh hopefully one or two new deals will arrive soon. Seems a lot have been hitting the dust and closing recently. Places are going to be like gold dust soon. The best one to join is probably Luckybit as places become available almost daily so you need to jump on that one as soon as you can.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 03:20:39 PM Payment received I will decide whether or not to remove the signature in a matter of minutes :)
Thanks for listening to me and taking the option of paying out early! Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Ayers on September 10, 2014, 03:21:12 PM i want to leave this
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 03:21:39 PM i want to leave this Then leave! You have been paid so you can now leave. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Ayers on September 10, 2014, 03:22:39 PM yeah payment received tnx
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 03:22:46 PM i think you should edit your first post about people who got paid
to remove those users or say that they have been paid :) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 03:25:01 PM i think you should edit your first post about people who got paid Everyone has been paid. OP will be edited later, once people dropped out. to remove those users or say that they have been paid :) I will add the payment message though, might be a smart idea. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: alani123 on September 10, 2014, 03:28:41 PM I've dropped out as well obviously. Had to mention this. Thanks again.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 03:29:22 PM WHERE IS MY PAYMENT I SHILLED AND MANL LEFT ME HANGING! ;D Go back to the hole were you came from or else I shall came after you and punish you for your misdeeds. ;DTitle: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 03:32:57 PM Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation)
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 03:35:09 PM Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation) Dooglus decided to pay the people that stick with the campaign until the ~5.3BTC is gone. But you will have to wait till he gets back for more information about that subject. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 03:43:14 PM i would like to get paid
for my 80 posts started with 945 and now i got 1025 thank you im leaving :) hope i get paid fast Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 03:46:18 PM Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: franckuestein on September 10, 2014, 03:46:52 PM i would like to get paid for my 80 posts started with 945 and now i got 1025 thank you im leaving :) hope i get paid fast You've been paid. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) ;)Check your wallet because I can see that you've been paid with 0.026BTC :D Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Joca97 on September 10, 2014, 03:48:32 PM i would like to get paid for my 80 posts started with 945 and now i got 1025 thank you im leaving :) hope i get paid fast You've been paid. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) ;)Check your wallet because I can see that you've been paid with 0.026BTC :D i should have gotten i think 0.04 not 0.026 Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: justforbtc on September 10, 2014, 04:06:53 PM I want to leave this campaign.
My current post(not include this): 755 My Bitcoin address: 1Ce48iLPtQsLhNEeh5hrrsdY5uPHkbFJzn thanks Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: ObscureBean on September 10, 2014, 04:15:29 PM I'm not sure what's going on but I believe I have received some BTC from you guys for this campaign. Thank you.
I will decide if I'm gonna remove my signature within the next few days. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 04:21:36 PM I want to leave this campaign. My current post(not include this): 755 My Bitcoin address: 1Ce48iLPtQsLhNEeh5hrrsdY5uPHkbFJzn thanks You were paid already! Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: keithers on September 10, 2014, 04:33:02 PM Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation) IMO if there is anything left after everyone is paid out (which would probably be very little), it should be divided up between dooglus and bitcoininformation as compensation for handling all of this. They probably have a flooded inbox and a ton of payments to handle and manage... Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: keithers on September 10, 2014, 04:39:06 PM Has the site been proven to be unfair, or is it just speculation? Can you guys point me to where I can look up on this?
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 04:42:17 PM Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation) IMO if there is anything left after everyone is paid out (which would probably be very little), it should be divided up between dooglus and bitcoininformation as compensation for handling all of this. They probably have a flooded inbox and a ton of payments to handle and manage... 2.5 btc each not bad haha it should be divided to everyone. imo Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 10, 2014, 04:47:50 PM Hold up. What happens to the 5BTC funds IF everyone drops out? Shouldn't they be shared equally among everyone? (including dooglus and bitcoininformation) IMO if there is anything left after everyone is paid out (which would probably be very little), it should be divided up between dooglus and bitcoininformation as compensation for handling all of this. They probably have a flooded inbox and a ton of payments to handle and manage... 2.5 btc each not bad haha it should be divided to everyone. imo But my reading on this is that there isn't 5BTC left over. Dooglus is going to continue to payout until the end of the month, bitcoininformation has used his 5BTC to pay up until today, and given everyone the option to get out now and paid up in full, so in essence anyone that stays is dealing with Dooglus and his 5BTC on a 0 post count. At least that's how I read what's going on. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: asdlolciterquit on September 10, 2014, 04:48:07 PM i can check only tomorrow morning.
Stay tuned. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 05:05:08 PM You have been paid like 5 hours ago for the post count that you had at that moment. All other payments will be done by Dooglus, if you stay with the campaign.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: kuroman on September 10, 2014, 05:10:24 PM wow I was off for a day and a lot happened, I'll be reading though the threads related and see if I'm going to stay till the end of the term or leave, for now I'll keep the signature as it seems that there were disposition to keep the compaign running in best conditions
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 05:19:05 PM I dont think anyone *should* stay with the campaign from an ethical standpoint.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 05:52:07 PM I dont think anyone *should* stay with the campaign from an ethical standpoint. You are one to talk about ethics. You scammed your payment for this campaign. Two signatures at the same time violate the rules of the campaign you signed up for. Quote You may not advertise any other sites/threads. This includes non-paid for advertisements. https://i.imgur.com/i2vC4pQ.png and a few days ago (07th): https://i.imgur.com/Ybj7mWJ.png https://i.imgur.com/SGpmeY6.png I left you trust accordingly. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 05:55:06 PM I dont think anyone *should* stay with the campaign from an ethical standpoint. You are one to talk about ethics. You scammed your payment for this campaign. Two signatures at the same time violate the rules of the campaign you signed up for. Quote You may not advertise any other sites/threads. This includes non-paid for advertisements. I left you trust accordingly. I removed that signature those few days ago.. I offered to send back the $3 I got from bitmixer (I had a few days left in the campaign) The signature was not publicly displayed, fyi. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: shorena on September 10, 2014, 06:01:44 PM -snip- I removed that signature those few days ago.. I offered to send back the $3 I got from bitmixer (I had a few days left in the campaign) The signature was not publicly displayed, fyi. You did not remove the signature. I It was publicly visible otherwise I would not have noticed. See the screenshots above. You should return payment for dicebitco.in, since you broke their campaigns rules. I dont know what rules for bitmixer.io apply, probably the same or similar, so a return of funds for both would be in order. From your comments in the PMs I allready know you wont, because you dont care and think its funny. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 10, 2014, 06:09:43 PM -snip- I removed that signature those few days ago.. I offered to send back the $3 I got from bitmixer (I had a few days left in the campaign) The signature was not publicly displayed, fyi. You did not remove the signature. I It was publicly visible otherwise I would not have noticed. See the screenshots above. You should return payment for dicebitco.in, since you broke their campaigns rules. I dont know what rules for bitmixer.io apply, probably the same or similar, so a return of funds for both would be in order. From your comments in the PMs I allready know you wont, because you dont care and think its funny. Yes I did remove them. It was not visible on any device apart from opera on mobile (im guessing 0.01% of users use that) "I think it's funny?!" "I think it's funny?!" What. The... You should be left negative trust for continuing to advertise dicebitcoin.. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: mnporter2001 on September 10, 2014, 06:11:39 PM Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: cookiemonsterwhat on September 10, 2014, 06:12:18 PM So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no.
Hi, You currently carry DiceBitco.in in your forum signature. DiceBitco.in has scammed by rigging the dice rolls through skipping betting nonces. DiceBitco.in has not fully compensated all affected users for the rigging. Furthermore, DiceBitco.in is also suspected to be 'mateo', a whale who has won ~500 BTC from the site and has resulted in up to 90% losses for investors who still invested. Due to the near-impossible improbability and the timing (which whale would bet hundreds of BTCs on a site that has just been revealed to rig the rolls?), it's heavily suspected that 'mateo' is a DiceBitco.in operator who knew the server seeds and purposefully won to defraud investors. You can read more about the DiceBitco.in scam here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0 You're currently advertising a scam website, and promoting it in exchange for payment. I consider this untrustworthy, and will be leaving you negative feedback if you continue to advertise this scam site. To review your signature, go to Profile -> Forum Profile Information. dooglus has stated that if you drop out, you will be paid for the posts you've made before you dropped out. You can enroll in another signature ad campaign. I do not accept PMs. To contact me, please email me at ciphertext@cryptolab.net (make sure to mention your Bitcointalk name). Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 06:13:25 PM So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Do as you prefer. You already received a payment for the last 10 days (up to the ones made +- 5 hours ago). If you want to stick with the campaign, you can, if you don't, you can leave. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: CEG5952 on September 10, 2014, 06:19:05 PM Been traveling the past week or so. Don't think I made a single post anyway. Gonna remove because I don't feel like having that scumbag TF neg trust me. Best of luck to the rest of you.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: AceWallen on September 10, 2014, 06:28:28 PM back to Bitmixer it is. thanks for being professional about it, guys.
Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: cookiemonsterwhat on September 10, 2014, 06:30:32 PM I`m only dropping this signature because I have no choice, I havent really read what went on.Since theres too much to read, threads to follow etc.
But, when a person with a rep says your going to get neg for no reason. Thats pretty much a threat, unless doog or someone else reputable gives me a feedback to balance out his wrong doing since all I did was promote a signature.. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: djnocide on September 10, 2014, 06:32:43 PM So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Hi, You currently carry DiceBitco.in in your forum signature. DiceBitco.in has scammed by rigging the dice rolls through skipping betting nonces. DiceBitco.in has not fully compensated all affected users for the rigging. Furthermore, DiceBitco.in is also suspected to be 'mateo', a whale who has won ~500 BTC from the site and has resulted in up to 90% losses for investors who still invested. Due to the near-impossible improbability and the timing (which whale would bet hundreds of BTCs on a site that has just been revealed to rig the rolls?), it's heavily suspected that 'mateo' is a DiceBitco.in operator who knew the server seeds and purposefully won to defraud investors. You can read more about the DiceBitco.in scam here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0 You're currently advertising a scam website, and promoting it in exchange for payment. I consider this untrustworthy, and will be leaving you negative feedback if you continue to advertise this scam site. To review your signature, go to Profile -> Forum Profile Information. dooglus has stated that if you drop out, you will be paid for the posts you've made before you dropped out. You can enroll in another signature ad campaign. I do not accept PMs. To contact me, please email me at ciphertext@cryptolab.net (make sure to mention your Bitcointalk name). Report him, hopefully he'll get ban for all the threat he made. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: iluvpie60 on September 10, 2014, 10:34:59 PM damn, this is the 3rd campaign that turned into shit. first prime dice, then win.88, now this one... i got to admit they did pay me .038 btc(no idea how they got that number though it should prolly be higher oh well.)
so i guess if this whole thing is a scam as Stunna is saying, then please remove my name from the original post. thanks. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: ytlover on September 10, 2014, 10:36:17 PM damn, this is the 3rd campaign that turned into shit. first prime dice, then win.88, now this one... i got to admit they did pay me .038 btc(no idea how they got that number though it should prolly be higher oh well.) so i guess if this whole thing is a scam as Stunna is saying, then please remove my name from the original post. thanks. Dont forget stunna is the owner also of a dice site... competition you see? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 10, 2014, 10:39:28 PM damn, this is the 3rd campaign that turned into shit. first prime dice, then win.88, now this one... i got to admit they did pay me .038 btc(no idea how they got that number though it should prolly be higher oh well.) You got paid for every post you made 10-09-2014 at 14.24 (GMT+1, The Netherlands). So, I highly doubt it should have been higher. so i guess if this whole thing is a scam as Stunna is saying, then please remove my name from the original post. thanks. OP will be updated as soon as Dooglus gets backs ;) Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: u9y42 on September 10, 2014, 11:13:14 PM Given how this all turned out, I suppose I'll be leaving the campaign now.
Thank you for having handled this so well bitcoininformation and dooglus, despite the circumstances - I'll be leaving you positive feedback. So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Report him, hopefully he'll get ban for all the threat he made. Agreed; I guess he does live down to his trust. Message reported to admins as follows: Quote Whether one agrees with his point or not, this user has probably tried to blackmail up to 100 forum users to get his way, after his attempted bullying of bitcoininformation didn't yield immediate results. For reference, please see the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776227.0 ... and negative feedback left - not that it will matter much, in his particular case. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: franckuestein on September 11, 2014, 12:09:37 AM Thanks for the today's payment, @bitcoininformation and @dooglus.
I've sent you a positive Trust Feedback on your profile thanks to your effort! As well, IMAO from the 5BTC that remain available, what you can do is very easy. Save 1BTC each (or more): 1BTC for bitcoininformation and 1BTC for dooglus. Then the remaining 3 BTC can be spread to the 1st post members according to their forum rank... (just an example). I don't know exactly if people is going to receive more or less than the stipulated but you're going to donate it like a compensation for trusting what finally looks like scam (Dicebitco.in). Some probably should feel cheated and you have to think that users can't handle a project on their account like that... with everything that they've done at the end :D Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: LtPaxIV on September 11, 2014, 12:34:29 AM confirming payment also.thx bitcoininformation and doog
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Dabs on September 11, 2014, 12:55:36 AM Ok. I'm back to my own signature for now. Thank you for the payment. I hope we get the rest. I personally lost 1.14 as an investor (I didn't even play.) overnight. Just my bad luck.
I was one of the few who actually would have hit 400 and 200 posts if this had continued. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: monbux on September 11, 2014, 01:28:32 AM My kudos to bitcoininformation and dooglus, you guys handled it the right way, you guys rock :)
+1 Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: cookiemonsterwhat on September 11, 2014, 02:30:32 AM Given how this all turned out, I suppose I'll be leaving the campaign now. Thank you for having handled this so well bitcoininformation and dooglus, despite the circumstances - I'll be leaving you positive feedback. So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Report him, hopefully he'll get ban for all the threat he made. Agreed; I guess he does live down to his trust. Message reported to admins as follows: Quote Whether one agrees with his point or not, this user has probably tried to blackmail up to 100 forum users to get his way, after his attempted bullying of bitcoininformation didn't yield immediate results. For reference, please see the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776227.0 ... and negative feedback left - not that it will matter much, in his particular case. so even if he left a neg feedback it wont matter? I just dont want some stupid red mark for dumb stuff like this.. Title: Re: [FULL]DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 06:43:03 AM Given how this all turned out, I suppose I'll be leaving the campaign now. Thank you for having handled this so well bitcoininformation and dooglus, despite the circumstances - I'll be leaving you positive feedback. So I just got PM from this guy. Do I keep the signature or no. Report him, hopefully he'll get ban for all the threat he made. Agreed; I guess he does live down to his trust. Message reported to admins as follows: Quote Whether one agrees with his point or not, this user has probably tried to blackmail up to 100 forum users to get his way, after his attempted bullying of bitcoininformation didn't yield immediate results. For reference, please see the following thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776227.0 ... and negative feedback left - not that it will matter much, in his particular case. so even if he left a neg feedback it wont matter? I just dont want some stupid red mark for dumb stuff like this.. I think he is banned by now. Besides, no one will see this red minus given by a guy with that low of trust (who is a scammer himself, lol). Personally, I don't believe that Dicebitco.in scammed on people (meaning intentionally ran with investors' money), though this is just my gut feeling, and I can be wrong indeed... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Timetwister on September 11, 2014, 06:43:42 AM Payment received. Thank you very much, bitcoininformation and Dooglus.
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: onlinepro on September 11, 2014, 06:59:37 AM Was this the signature payout?
https://blockchain.info/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 If it was then thanks for payment. edit I am still in and using signature since I am allowed to do so until end of this month. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 07:01:17 AM Was this the signature payout? It is:https://blockchain.info/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 If it was then thanks for payment. I will delete my sig after someone confirms this was the sig payment. The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126 (https://www.blocktrail.com/tx/8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126) Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: der_troll on September 11, 2014, 07:33:20 AM Just noticed this thread, cool thing what you guys did with escrow money and how you helped people in campaign.
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 07:38:52 AM do people have the choice to stay in the sig or are you forcing them out so you can keep the bitcoins for urselves?
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 07:42:56 AM do people have the choice to stay in the sig or are you forcing them out so you can keep the bitcoins for urselves? Alright first of all, I'm offended by the fact that you would think something like that about Dooglus and me. Secondly, where the hell did you that from? We aren't forcing anyone out. Please read the whole topic next time, thank you.Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sana8410 on September 11, 2014, 07:45:41 AM hey bitcoininformatin I got payment but I didnt want to leave the campaign, how come I got payment?
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 07:47:07 AM hey bitcoininformatin I got payment but I didnt want to leave the campaign, how come I got payment? You don't have to leave. The payment you received were my share of the escrow-ed amount (which paid for the first 10 days of this campaign till 14.24 (GMT+2)). Dooglus still has his 5BTC and will use them to pay everyone that stays with the campaign.Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 07:47:23 AM do people have the choice to stay in the sig or are you forcing them out so you can keep the bitcoins for urselves? Alright first of all, I find it offence that you would think that about Dooglus and me. Secondly, where the hell did you that from? We aren't forcing anyone out. Please read the whole topic next time, thank you.Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
Payments will be send within an hour. ok my bad, thought u guys were paying people without even notfying them there out of the campaign, thats what I assumed. If I am wrong sorry Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 07:51:02 AM ok my bad, thought u guys were paying people without even notfying them there out of the campaign, thats what I assumed. If I am wrong sorry If they were out we would say so and make it publicly known.Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: zolace on September 11, 2014, 07:53:02 AM ok my bad, thought u guys were paying people without even notfying them there out of the campaign, thats what I assumed. If I am wrong sorry If they were out we would say so and make it publicly known.arent u suppose to be a hero member? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 07:54:19 AM arent u suppose to be a hero member? Not yet, the next activity update will make me a Hero Member. It requires 480 activity points, I currently have 462. ;)Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: hopenotlate on September 11, 2014, 08:56:31 AM Confirm I received payment and am left the campaign. I'm about to leave trust feedback
Great respect for Bitcoininfo and Dooglus on how they are handling this tricky situation. PS: may someone please tell me how user "$username", spreading principles either in forum and PMs, earned that low trust rating ? Thx in advance Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: wang_yan on September 11, 2014, 09:03:24 AM What's the point of continuing this?
I suggest paying participants right now and return the fund to the site's operator. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: onlinepro on September 11, 2014, 09:10:26 AM What's the point of continuing this? I suggest paying participants right now and return the fund to the site's operator. Participants are paid already. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 09:14:15 AM Confirm I received payment and am left the campaign. I'm about to leave trust feedback Great respect for Bitcoininfo and Dooglus on how they are handling this tricky situation. PS: may someone please tell me how user "$username", spreading principles either in forum and PMs, earned that low trust rating ? Thx in advance As I got it, $username is also known as TradeFortress, he ran a Bitcoin wallet service called inputs.io (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Inputs.io) and then scammed on people (he pretends that the service had been hacked). In my opinion, he has been paid to "spread principles in forum and PMs", since he has already lost his reputation here and blackmailing users couldn't damage it more (also note that he is from Australia)... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: redsn0w on September 11, 2014, 09:18:04 AM Confirm I received payment and am left the campaign. I'm about to leave trust feedback Great respect for Bitcoininfo and Dooglus on how they are handling this tricky situation. PS: may someone please tell me how user "$username", spreading principles either in forum and PMs, earned that low trust rating ? Thx in advance As I got it, $username is also known as TradeFortress, he ran a Bitcoin wallet service called input.io (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Inputs.io) and then scammed on people (he pretends that the service had been hacked). In my opinion, he has been paid to "spread principles in forum and PMs", since he has already lost his reputation and this couldn't damage it more (also note that he is from Australia)... Report his PM to an Admin ;) . Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: hopenotlate on September 11, 2014, 09:29:57 AM As I got it, $username is also known as TradeFortress, he ran a Bitcoin wallet service called inputs.io (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Inputs.io) and then scammed on people (he pretends that the service had been hacked). In my opinion, he has been paid to "spread principles in forum and PMs", since he has already lost his reputation here and blackmailing users couldn't damage it more (also note that he is from Australia)... ...thx for sharing, nice to know. And your opinion sounds good and seems reasonable May you please enlighten me a little bit more about the bolded part? Sorry all for the offtopic Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 09:42:08 AM What's the point of continuing this? Please don't post here if you have no idea what is happening. The site operator told us to handle the signature till the end of the period and that's what we are doing. I suggest paying participants right now and return the fund to the site's operator. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 09:47:44 AM As I got it, $username is also known as TradeFortress, he ran a Bitcoin wallet service called inputs.io (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Inputs.io) and then scammed on people (he pretends that the service had been hacked). In my opinion, he has been paid to "spread principles in forum and PMs", since he has already lost his reputation here and blackmailing users couldn't damage it more (also note that he is from Australia)... ...thx for sharing, nice to know. And your opinion sounds good and seems reasonable May you please enlighten me a little bit more about the bolded part? Never mind. This was a hint, if you don't understand what it refers to, then let it slip your attention. If you are still curious, it has a lot to do with dirty business practices (and nothing with Australia per se)... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: onlinepro on September 11, 2014, 09:56:18 AM We are allowed to continue? :o
In that case I am still in! Because it is impossible to find anything else. Please confirm if I still get paid for my posts. Is my starting postcount that postcount written in op of this theard? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 11, 2014, 10:15:13 AM We are allowed to continue? :o In that case I am still in! Because it is impossible to find anything else. Please confirm if I still get paid for my posts. Is my starting postcount that postcount written in op of this theard? The same thing for me. I'll rest until dooglus come back and pay rest of Bitcoin, then I'll leave this campaign :) There aren't other campaign now and it is difficult to find some campaign which have a good pay. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 10:20:08 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control.
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 10:25:09 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control. I would suggest that Dooglus distribute the remaining funds at the end of the campaign in the proportion of post counts of those who would remain till the end (I still believe that Dicebitco.in didn't scam). Indeed, his and your efforts should be rewarded accordingly... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:25:19 AM We are allowed to continue? :o In that case I am still in! Because it is impossible to find anything else. Please confirm if I still get paid for my posts. Is my starting postcount that postcount written in op of this theard? The same thing for me. I'll rest until dooglus come back and pay rest of Bitcoin, then I'll leave this campaign :) There aren't other campaign now and it is difficult to find some campaign which have a good pay. So you two want this campaign to continue so that you can earn money, even though you are now aware that sending people to that site without warning them is likely aiding a scam? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:30:52 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control. I would suggest that Dooglus distribute the remaining funds at the of the campaign according to post counts proportion of those who remained till the end (I still believe that Dicebitco.in didn't scam). Indeed, his and your efforts should be rewarded accordingly... Dooglus should end the campaign straightaway; otherwise he is encouraging others to sport that sig. deisik -even if you don't think they scammed, you should at least sport a banner at the end of your posts warning potential customers to at least check the relevant thread. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 11, 2014, 10:31:29 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control. Simple, for the starting post my purpose is to count the post from yesterday (14:21 PM) :) Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 10:35:35 AM Simple, for the starting post my purpose is to count the post from yesterday (14:21 PM) :) That is indeed what I'm going to do.Dooglus should end the campaign straightaway; otherwise he is encouraging others to sport that sig. Well, Dooglus decided to continue with the campaign, just like DiceBitco.in told him. He only pays if someone sticks with the campaign signature, not sure if you are allowed to change it.deisik -even if you don't think they scammed, you should at least sport a banner at the end of your posts warning potential customers to at least check the relevant thread. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 10:37:27 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control. I would suggest that Dooglus distribute the remaining funds at the of the campaign according to post counts proportion of those who remained till the end (I still believe that Dicebitco.in didn't scam). Indeed, his and your efforts should be rewarded accordingly... Dooglus should end the campaign straightaway; otherwise he is encouraging others to sport that sig. deisik -even if you don't think they scammed, you should at least sport a banner at the end of your posts warning potential customers to at least check the relevant thread. I would probably agree with you (provided in the first place that Dicebitco.in is proven to be scammers, which is not the case AFAIK) but for one thing. There is a sig campaign here which is obviously a HYIP (and they don't even seem to try to hide this), why then don't you ask everyone advertising for them to add a similar warning? By the way, what thread do you mention of? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Gianluca95 on September 11, 2014, 10:41:59 AM Starting posts aren't updated yet. Not sure if and when this will happen and how the next payout will be. Dooglus is now in control. I would suggest that Dooglus distribute the remaining funds at the of the campaign according to post counts proportion of those who remained till the end (I still believe that Dicebitco.in didn't scam). Indeed, his and your efforts should be rewarded accordingly... Dooglus should end the campaign straightaway; otherwise he is encouraging others to sport that sig. deisik -even if you don't think they scammed, you should at least sport a banner at the end of your posts warning potential customers to at least check the relevant thread. I would probably agree with you (provided in the first place that Dicebitco.in is proven to be scammers which is not the case AFAIK) but for one thing. There is a sig campaign here which is obviously a HYIP (and they don't even seem to try to hide this), why then don't you ask everyone advertising for them to add a similar warning? Totally agree. Cryptcominer is a HYIP, dangerous project and it can have maximum 2-3 months of life, then SCAM ! Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:43:58 AM I would probably agree with you but for one thing. There is a sig campaign here which is obviously a HYIP (and they don't seem to even try to hide this), why then don't you ask everyone advertising for them to add a similar warning? Actually, I have been posting against that too. But just because someone is doing something wrong and getting away doesn't mean you too should do it. I am not defending that HYIP program, but there are a couple of points 1> They haven't scammed yet, so some of the carriers may not be aware (I highly doubt that, but can't prove otherwise). The few on here continuing with dicebitcoin know at the very least aware that there are issues. 2> I would actually not mind (personal quirk, I guess) if you all switched to cryptcominer, simply because anybody joining up with that would be aware its a ponzi scheme. Dicebitcoin, though, on the face of it would look like any gambling site so potential customers would be unaware. Put a message at the end of the posts at the very least. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:45:46 AM Totally agree. Cryptcominer is a HYIP, dangerous project and it can have maximum 2-3 months of life, then SCAM ! So? You are supporting a site which has already caused people to lose money, and by your own admission you are doing it simple because you want money. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:49:13 AM deisik - missed your edit earlier
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774828.0 <--- current thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.0 <--- original, locked thread. Read the last 20 or so pages, and it will be clear to you that they scammed. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 10:49:49 AM Totally agree. Cryptcominer is a HYIP, dangerous project and it can have maximum 2-3 months of life, then SCAM ! So? You are supporting a site which has already caused people to lose money, and by your own admission you are doing it simple because you want money. Any casino makes people lose money, and a lot of money at that! Should we also add a warning note? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: sumantso on September 11, 2014, 10:51:43 AM Totally agree. Cryptcominer is a HYIP, dangerous project and it can have maximum 2-3 months of life, then SCAM ! So? You are supporting a site which has already caused people to lose money, and by your own admission you are doing it simple because you want money. Any casino causes people lose money. Should we also add a warning note? Read up the threads I posted earlier and decide for yourself. I hope you all do the right thing. Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 10:58:48 AM Totally agree. Cryptcominer is a HYIP, dangerous project and it can have maximum 2-3 months of life, then SCAM ! So? You are supporting a site which has already caused people to lose money, and by your own admission you are doing it simple because you want money. Any casino causes people lose money. Should we also add a warning note? Read up the threads I posted earlier and decide for yourself. I hope you all do the right thing. Okay, let's assume for a moment that Dicebitco.in did scam indeed. So why don't you also (actually, in the first place) ask dooglus and bitcoininformation to stop this campaign right now? Why do you ask us, the participants, to add a note to the sig when you should ask the right people (i.e. current campaign runners), and why should we listen to you and be deaf to what they say? If dooglus decided to continue with this campaign, I don't mind, since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. But if he decides to close it, I wouldn't mind either... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 11, 2014, 02:56:29 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself.
Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 03:27:29 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 11, 2014, 03:33:25 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. You assume dooglus knows better than anyone else, which is a wrong statement. You assume he is doing the right thing (which everyone did aswell when he advertised their site), wrong statement.Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 03:35:45 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. You assume dooglus knows better than anyone else, which is a wrong statement. You assume he is doing the right thing (which everyone did aswell when he advertised their site), wrong statement.If you know better (which implicitly follows from your post), you should write to him, not to me. In any case, he knows more than me, and that's enough... Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 11, 2014, 03:39:00 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. You assume dooglus knows better than anyone else, which is a wrong statement. You assume he is doing the right thing (which everyone did aswell when he advertised their site), wrong statement.If you know better (which follows from your post), you should write to him, not to me. In any case, he knows more than me, and that's enough... And what he knows is that "The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.." Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: deisik on September 11, 2014, 03:40:16 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. You assume dooglus knows better than anyone else, which is a wrong statement. You assume he is doing the right thing (which everyone did aswell when he advertised their site), wrong statement.If you know better (which follows from your post), you should write to him, not to me. In any case, he knows more than me, and that's enough... And what he knows is that "The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.." You may not want to speak on his behalf, agreed? Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: marcotheminer on September 11, 2014, 03:53:17 PM Jess Christ man.. think for yourself instead of following dooglus' thoughts.. The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.. think for yourself. This is my decision, if that was your point. The reasons I explained earlier... since I think he is more aware of the gory details of this affair. You assume dooglus knows better than anyone else, which is a wrong statement. You assume he is doing the right thing (which everyone did aswell when he advertised their site), wrong statement.If you know better (which follows from your post), you should write to him, not to me. In any case, he knows more than me, and that's enough... And what he knows is that "The site has yet to payout many players on their site for winnings they shouldve received.. They also did several questionable things when didn't want to release the rogue employee's name and give full details about the recent events.." You may not want to speak on his behalf, agreed? very well, we will see what he knows (which is all of the above aka fact and more knowledge) Title: Re: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued Post by: Mitchell on September 11, 2014, 05:47:34 PM Dooglus is continuing this campaign over here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778953.msg8779404#msg8779404).
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