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Title: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: RedSky on April 26, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
Pretty new to the forum and a little paranoid/suspicious about how the marketplace section works. (I eventually will be trying to sell an unused 650w PSU)

What's the best way to ensure a transaction occurs honestly? Using an escrow service? Or just being very selective with who you're working with (ie checking references, etc)


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: max in montreal on April 26, 2012, 05:15:37 PM
when selling take the payments using bitcoins. take the money first then send the psu. once you have the money you cannot be scammed.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: RedSky on April 26, 2012, 05:31:52 PM
What you say is true. It just means the other person needs to trust me, which I don't necessarily see happening as I have no references, etc to prove that trust.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Electricbees on April 26, 2012, 06:00:07 PM
ESCROW.
That is all.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: machetelobby69 on April 26, 2012, 06:04:25 PM
Escrow, bitcoin or liberty reserve are obviously the best way to not get scammed


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: RedSky on April 26, 2012, 06:10:00 PM
And as far as escrow goes, using something like:

bitcoin-escrow.i2p.to/
btcrow.com/

or having a trusted forum member hold escrow?


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Stephen Gornick on April 26, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Pretty new to the forum and a little paranoid/suspicious about how the marketplace section works. (I eventually will be trying to sell an unused 650w PSU)

What's the best way to ensure a transaction occurs honestly? Using an escrow service? Or just being very selective with who you're working with (ie checking references, etc)

If you are selling, generally the buyer is the one taking the risk when paying before shipment.

If the buyer sends bitcoins to you then there's really no risk to you (though some nutjob might try to claim you shipped an empty box and shame you to cough up some money, etc.)

The #bitcoin-escrow IRC channel along with ratings from the #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust (WoT) is probably the best place currently to find a trusted escrow that you can hire:
 - http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#bitcoin-escrow
 - http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System

There is good information here:
 - http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc#Safety:_avoiding_fraud


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Blazr on April 26, 2012, 11:14:45 PM
Very simple:

DON'T DEAL WITH SHAKARU.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Stephen Gornick on April 26, 2012, 11:15:46 PM
btcrow.com

The forum user for that doesn't show as being logged in since February.  There hasn't been anyone reporting having lost money when using them but the site did go offline for weeks and then came back, with no communication regarding the outage.  The domain is registered with privacy enabled, and there's no contact info shown on the site other than e-mail.  Generally, with bitcoin ventures the track record when these combinations exist has not been good:
 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=21544.0


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: RedSky on April 26, 2012, 11:42:06 PM
Thanks for all the advice!


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: atomicswan27 on May 19, 2012, 06:37:44 AM
only trust members who have high ranking


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Butense on May 19, 2012, 05:58:21 PM
Always take the money first that way you don't lose the product and the money if you get scammed.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: coineta.com on May 20, 2012, 01:33:18 AM
Always take the money first that way you don't lose the product and the money if you get scammed.

I agree that it is better to be rich and healthy than to be poor and sick. Most of the people will not argue against it


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: ShireSilver on May 20, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
Also, when shipping always use some sort of tracking or delivery confirmation.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: theymos on May 20, 2012, 06:16:05 AM
only trust members who have high ranking

Forum ranking is based only on posts, which is a poor measure of trustworthiness.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: arby on May 20, 2012, 04:24:50 PM
trust only long time members, with many vouchers, also the vouches should be from other long time members.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: arby on May 20, 2012, 04:26:47 PM
lol

Very simple:

DON'T DEAL WITH SHAKARU.


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Silentcarrot on May 20, 2012, 07:23:13 PM
I have would have to second trusting well known members...


Title: Re: Best scam avoidance tips for the marketplace?
Post by: Butense on May 20, 2012, 11:41:44 PM
Always take the money first that way you don't lose the product and the money if you get scammed.

I agree that it is better to be rich and healthy than to be poor and sick. Most of the people will not argue against it

Amen to that :)