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Title: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 06:09:01 PM Project XUC ============================ What Is Project XUC? ---------------------------- Project X Union Currency is meant to bring as many crypto users as possible under one banner. It stands as a refinement to the Antimatter initiative i started long back here:- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223454.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223454.0) as a clone of the thought experiment Abstract Coin. Some of the ideas are discussed here :- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=247585.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=247585.0) On it's functions. The inital implementation was nevercarried out as i lacked the necessary skills to execute the project. The idea was to bring the holders of coins into a single coin, that has been refined to the following 1) Coin must be traded 2) Coin must have a huge following 3) Coin dev/community must agree How will it be done? ----------------------- The proposed implementation is to parse the blockchains of selected participating coins and create a snapshot of the balances. Then relative to their price at date of snapshot each blockchains allocation will be calculated and entered into the genesis block of XUC. So one maintains the value of their coins relative to other participating currencies, but gains the benefit of having huge user base and wide spread initial dispersal. When will XUC be launched? ---------------------------------- Tentative Expected Launch date is 15/10/14, this allows for time to select participating coins, get accurate snapshots and acquire realistic price snapshots. Why XUC? -------------------------- XUC is chance to bring together as many current crypto users into one unified coin with immense benefits from user and developer interest. Overall, as some coins have had stalled development due to technical constraints or developers abandoning them , it offers holders of those coins a chance to move under a new banner while maintaining their relative stake in the crypto sphere. XUC also offers a rough method of combining ones entire crypto holding into one single wallet allowing greter simple personal control of your finances in a single application. XUC uses a crowdfunding platform adapted from MMC 2.0 to ensure that developers are always on call and any under performing ones get fired. This means that instead of developers abandoning projects, they will be lining up and competing for the job. This will encourage innovation and dedication to the currency. How to get your Coins -------------------------- There will be no IPO or ICO, the community has already done all of that in advance by participating in any of the selected currencies. When the Wallet is made public simply go into your wallet of any and all of the selected currencies and HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", Your balance should show up immediately. How to Help -------------------------- I need help identifying any and all possible coins that can be added to XUC to ensure that as many people as possible can have a stake. If the coin is dying then i may need a copy of the blockchain data. Why Help and why participate? -------------------------- A lot of coins depend of the cost of mining to prop them up or have a lot of money thrown at them, this coins value will be based off community acceptance and how each individual values their share. Does this affect my holdings in the participating coins? ----------------------------------------------------------- No, your coins remain yours in all the currencies, you just have a stake in a "commons" currency that you can do with as you wish. XUC Specifications --------------------------- **Coin Generation**: 50% of total Money supply is allocated in the genesis block 1% is allocated to me personally. (Premine) 49% is allocated via PoW **Proof of Work Algorithm**: CPU Only Memory hard Algorithm **Total Number of Coins**: 21 million **PoW Block Reward**: 20 coins per block (standard reward) with random multipliers. Block XXXXX:- reward is 999 tokens (this will be expected Launchdate) **PoW Target Blocktime**: 3 minutes **Time to Maturity**: 150 Confirmations List of selected coins( will be updated as more will be added) Bitcoin -- blockchain downloaded Blackcoin --blockchain downloaded BitcoinDark --blockchain downloaded Whitecoin -- blockchain downloaded Cinnicoin -- blockchain downloaded Darkcoin XCurrency -- blockchain downloaded Doge BTSX Vericoin -- blockchain downloaded MINT -- blockchain downloaded MONERO Digibyte Community coin -- blockchain downloaded NoirShares -- done ProtoShares -- blockchain downloaded Memorycoin 2.0 LottoShares auroraCoin earthcoin -- blockchain downloaded Magic Internet Money PinkCoin ORB Litecoin Cloudcoin Sync --blockchain downloaded VIA Viacoin VTC Vertcoin REDD Reddcoin XBC BitcoinPlus CGA Cryptographic Anomaly NEOS Neoscoin XPM Primecoin XRP Ripple QORA Qora GRC Gridcoin BCN Bytecoin XCP Counterparty NTX NTX WC WhiteCoin HUC Huntercoin EXE Execoin CINNI CinniCoin ADN Aiden RIC Riecoin ABY AppleByte SYNC Sync NMC Namecoin MCN Moneta Verde GML GameleagueCoin URO Uro MRS Marscoin CURE Curecoin X LiteCoinX XCR Crypti CRYPT CryptCoin NAS NAS CYC Conspiracy Coin PPC Peercoin EMC Einsteinium MON Monocle MINT Mintcoin XSI Stability Shares PC Pinkcoin MYR Myriadcoin DRKC DarkCash C Coin KEY KeyCoin AEON AEON Coin BDC Black Dragon Coin MNS Mining Shares, GH PRC ProsperCoin RBY Rubycoin WDC Worldcoin NOBL NobleCoin FLT FlutterCoin CLAM CLAMS BOST BoostCoin JPC JackpotCoin CR CRedit BONES Bones AUR Auroracoin GDN Global Denomination PLX ParallaxCoin NRS NoirShares BITS Bitstar XHC Honorcoin QC QubitCoin CNOTE CNote GPC GROUPCoin GUE Guerillacoin SILK Silkcoin PAWN Pawncoin METH CryptoMETH USDE USDE DIEM CarpeDiemCoin TOR TorCoin TRUST TrustPlus BLU FROZEN BlueCoin PRT Particle BELA BellaCoin AXIS Axis SHOPX ShopX PIGGY New Piggycoin HIRO FROZEN Hirocoin SOC SocialCoin SRCC SourceCoin NAUT Nautiluscoin PMC Premine TAC Talkcoin POT PotCoin MIN Minerals GOLD GoldEagles MIL Millennium Coin NX Ncoin VOOT VootCoin NAV FROZEN Navajo FVZ FVZCoin FRAC Fractalcoin WOLF InsanityCoin XAP API Coin ENC Entropycoin EFL Electronic Gulden EBT Eoin DVK DvoraKoin MMC MemoryCoin COMM CommunityCoin MAST MastiffCoin CHA Chancecoin YACC YACCoin CACH CACHeCoin BURN BurnerCoin BNS BonusCoin LOL FROZEN LeagueCoin LGC Logicoin IXC iXcoin BCC talkcoin HOT Hotcoin RZR Razor AERO Aerocoin WC WhiteCoin IOC IOCoin TEK TekCoin MEC MegaCoin CINNI CinniCoin CGB CryptogenicBullion MINT MintCoin KEY KeyCoin APEX ApexCoin ORB Orbitcoin TAG TagCoin CRYPT CryptCoin SFR SaffronCoin TGC TigerCoin AC AsiaCoin VOOT VootCoin MRY MurrayCoin CRC CraftCoin DGC DigitalCoin EAC EarthCoin LSD LightSpeed IXC IXCoin DRKC DarkCash NAUT NautilusCoin HBN HoboNickels FLT FlutterCoin FRK Franko EMC Einsteinium DMD Diamond SSV SSVCoin DVC DevCoin CAP BottleCaps SAT SaturnCoinV GLD GoldCoin ALF AlphaCoin RZR Razor RPC RonPaulCoin ACOIN Acoin XLB LibertyCoin SRC SecureCoin IFC InfiniteCoin SXC SexCoin USDe USDe FST FastCoin CNC CHNCoin SHADE Shadecoin SUPER SuperCoin NOBL NobleCoin NRB NoirBits BTB BitBar LKY LuckyCoin SYNC Sync MED Mediterraneancoin SYS SysCoin UNB UnbreakableCoin CLR CopperLark XBOT SocialXBot GML GameLeagueCoin FFC FireflyCoin CSC CasinoCoin DEM eMark HUC HunterCoin CNL ConcealCoin ARG Argentum SILK SilkCoin NMB Nimbus EXE ExeCoin KGC KrugerCoin YBC YBCoin SPA SpainCoin GUE GuerillaCoin CACH CACHeCoin NET Netcoin STR StarCoin RIPO RipoffCoin XCR Crypti YAC YaCoin HVC HeavyCoin KDC KlondikeCoin LYC LycanCoin PXC PhoenixCoin BTG BitGem GLC Globalcoin X LiteCoinX TAK TakCoin SPT Spots CASH CashCoin SMC SmartCoin GDC GrandCoin AMC AmericanCoin GLYPH GlyphCoin OSC OpenSourceCoin FRC FreiCoin NYAN NyanCoin TOR TorCoin SBC StableCoin BNCR BancorCoin XJO JouleCoin MIN Minerals LK LuckyCoin BCX BattleCoin CAT CatCoin PYC PayCoin TES TeslaCoin SHLD ShieldCoin BQC BBQCoin SOLE SoleCoin GLX Galaxycoin EZC EZCoin BEN Benjamins NEC NeoCoin PHS PhilosopherStone FLEX Flexiblecoin JUDGE JudgeCoin JBS Coinmarketscoin ELC ElaCoin BET Betacoin ICB IcebergCoin PSEUD PseudoCoin ZCC ZcCoin JKC JunkCoin LGD LegendaryCoin MNC MinCoin BTE ByteCoin FRAC FractalCoin BUK CryptoBuck COMM CommunityCoin COOL CoolCoin NAN NanoToken LTB LiteBar RT RotoCoin NBL Nibble CAIx CAIx RYC RoyalCoin NRS NoirShares AGS Aegis CMC Cosmoscoin ZED ZedCoin NAV NavajoCoin DOOM DoomCoin DUO ParallelCoin ESC EsportsCoin GIVE GiveCoin J JoinCoin QTM Quantum RODS Plutonium SHOPX ShopXCoin TECH TechCoin XDE XDoubleEagle ZIPC ZipCoin PIGGY PiggyCoin THEO Theorem NTR Neutrino BANK BankCoin GOAL GoalCoin BTI BitcoinInstant UPM eUtopium OC OrangeCoin RVC RevoCoin VC VirtualCoin MAST MastCoin LION LionV AAA Coinaaa BMY BitMoney BURN BurnerCoin JUDGE JudgeCoin GDN GlobalDenominationCoin QUID Quid RIN Ringo BOB DobbsCoin BLC BlakeCoin WIN WinCoin WACG WaccoinGold USE UseCoin ICB IcebergCoin XC XCoin JADE JadeCoin BSY BanksyCoin GUE Guerillacoin CSO CSCoin CFC CoffeeCoin DRKC DarkCash FIRE FireCoin AR ARCoin SOLE SoleCoin DGB Digibyte MONA MonaCoin MACD MACD QBC Quebecoin FRAC FractalCoin PSEUD PseudoCash GLYPH GlyphCoin FLT FlutterCoin XBL BitLion VEIL VeilCoin U Umbrella TRK TruckCoin DOLP DolphinCoin MIN Minerals GPC GroupCoin TRDR TraderCoin TAC TalkCoin MYR MyriadCoin DRX DarkFox FC FuelCoin SHIBE ShibeCoin MNS MantisCoin RAW RawCoin MAMM MammothCoin XSI StabilitySharesXSI PRO PayProCoin RIPO RipoffCoin SHLD ShieldCoin FRSH FreshCoin PES Pesa TRUST TrustPlus ELT Electron MUGA Mugatu NUD NewUniversalDollar DRS DenariusCoin VAULT Vauoin MMXIV MMXIVCoin ICG IncognitoCoin CYC ConspiracyCoin ZET ZetaCoin WATER CleanWaterCoin BRIT BritCoin UNAT Unattainium XURO XuroCoin XBM Bitmo ENRG EnergyCoin ACOIN ACoin NOBL NobleCoin SC SilkCoin BIG BigBullion KTK KryptKoin CHCC CHCCoin EFL ElectronicGulden GRK GreekCoin AXR Axron OctoCoin COIN CoinCoin BLKT BlackToken CURE CureCoin SLR SolarCoin BTL BitleuCoin VTC Vertcoin WSX WeAreSatoshi MAX MaxCoin COCO CoCoCoin MWC MultiWalletCoin FOOD PlanktonCoin RBY RubyCoin JPC JackpotCoin INT IntelliCoin XDQ Dirac CCN CannaCoin TRI Triangles SUPER SuperCoin CRYPT CryptCoin BNCR BancorCoin ANC AnonCoin PPC Peercoin KARM KarmaCoin TIPS FedoraCoin LOT LottoCoin FTC FeatherCoin VRC VeriCoin ASC AsicCoin EAC EarthCoin MEC MegaCoin QRK Quark VTC VertCoin CPR CopperBars BC BlackCoin ZEIT ZeitCoin GLD GoldCoin CGB CryptogenicBullion FST FastCoin XNC XenCoin EZC EZCoin MEOW KittehCoin FLO FlorinCoin AUR AuroraCoin BAT BatCoin DGC DigitalCoin LEAF LeafCoin IFC InfiniteCoin MST MasterCoin (Hydro) DVC DevCoin ADT AndroidsTokensV DIME DimeCoin NYAN NyanCoin CRYPT CryptCoin FLAP FlappyCoin ZET ZetaCoin TIX Tickets YAC YaCoin FRK Franko GME GameCoin CTM Continuumcoin SBC StableCoin SXC SexCoin RED RedCoin DBL Doubloons PXC PhoenixCoin ELP ElephantCoin CLOAK CloakCoin MEM MemeCoin NET Netcoin X LiteCoinX SUPER SuperCoin RBBT RabbitCoin COL ColossusCoin DMC DamaCoin GUE GuerillaCoin XC XCurrency RZR Razor CNC CHNCoin MAX MaxCoin TES TeslaCoin GLYPH GlyphCoin If you wish to have a coin added, just say so, everyone is invited. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Nullu on September 21, 2014, 06:16:50 PM Is the percentage share divided evenly between each participating coin, or does is each coin's cap also factored in? I'm interested to know how you calculate the relative worth of holding a particular crypto that participates.
Also, aren't there risks in providing our private keys? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 21, 2014, 06:22:19 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 06:26:26 PM Is the percentage share divided evenly between each participating coin, or does is each coin's cap also factored in? I'm interested to know how you calculate the relative worth of holding a particular crypto that participates. BTC will represent 1 unit of the currency, that means ~13 million units allocated already. ALts are generally valued against BTS so we'll use their market prices and money supply. Say there are 3 Million NoirShares , each at 0.00005 BTC, that means that NRS will account for 150 units in XUC Using this metric we can allocate for all existing coins based on market rates. Please note this is existing coins, not the total coins that will exist in the chain. Also (maybe) to encourage alt users, we may reduce the portion that goes to BTC. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 06:28:28 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Momimaus on September 21, 2014, 06:29:47 PM It didn´t work with antimatter and now you are just trying it again or what is the difference? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 06:32:45 PM It didn´t work with antimatter and now you are just trying it again or what is the difference? Antimatter was the concept and needed refinement, also i had not learned the skills required to actually carry it out properly. You'll see that it started as a clone of a thought experiment. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Eggnogg on September 21, 2014, 06:36:27 PM Sceptic but interested - I'll keep an eye on Project X.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: MisO69 on September 21, 2014, 06:48:37 PM I do like the idea, but I would leave BTC out of it. Just because its value is so much more than any alt. Distribution will be skewed towards large BTC holders. Who may never claim their coins to begin with. Just a thought.
Can you add Pinkcoin? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: pocketbits on September 21, 2014, 06:50:56 PM Please add magic Internet money (mim)
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on September 21, 2014, 06:52:51 PM Taking 1% of a coin knowing the vast majority of the 99% will never be redeemed... Dumbass.
BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 http://directionforchange.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/african_child_1460x1071.jpg?w=1014 Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 06:53:21 PM you can add ORB Coin
33% PoW blocks and 67% PoS blocks delivering 1 ORB each Considering 20 ORB staking +1 ORB every 10 days, it's 1*(365/10)/20=183% per annum. Compound interest earns (1+1/20)^(365/10)=593% per annum. Things are more complicated in reality, so actual earnings are somewhere between the two above. by Ghostlander it's simple if you hold your ORB and GREEN ENERGY for the World with POS Mining Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 06:59:00 PM Sceptic but interested - I'll keep an eye on Project X. The difficulty was in parameters and actual implementation, all of which have been addressed (at long last). So this can be done in a weekend. Rather, i've given it two weeks to ensure we get a good list of coins. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 07:02:22 PM I do like the idea, but I would leave BTC out of it. Just because its value is so much more than any alt. Distribution will be skewed towards large BTC holders. Who may never claim their coins to begin with. Just a thought. Can you add Pinkcoin? I will reduce the protion that goes to BTC significantly. PinkCoin added Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: scv00 on September 21, 2014, 07:11:46 PM What about the coins held on exchanges? The exchanges will benefit enormously from any snapshot including one of their wallets.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 07:16:02 PM you can add ORB Coin 33% PoW blocks and 67% PoS blocks delivering 1 ORB each Considering 20 ORB staking +1 ORB every 10 days, it's 1*(365/10)/20=183% per annum. Compound interest earns (1+1/20)^(365/10)=593% per annum. Things are more complicated in reality, so actual earnings are somewhere between the two above. by Ghostlander it's simple if you hold your ORB and GREEN ENERGY for the World with POS Mining thanks for adding Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 07:22:58 PM What about the coins held on exchanges? The exchanges will benefit enormously from any snapshot including one of their wallets. Partnering with exchanges on such a huge project would not be practical, some coins are only hosted one or two exchanges, as a result the logistics would be impossible. It will be easy to redeem coins in your own local wallet. So when the time comes, if you wish to participate, make sure your coins are local. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 07:25:57 PM maybe want you add CDC Cloudcoin, this is a old coin and tradable on BTER
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555563.0;all almightyruler has take over this coin Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 07:31:34 PM maybe want you add CDC Cloudcoin, this is a old coin and tradable on BTER https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555563.0;all almightyruler has take over this coin great news, nice to know someone picked up the torch Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 07:36:30 PM maybe want you add CDC Cloudcoin, this is a old coin and tradable on BTER https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555563.0;all almightyruler has take over this coin great news, nice to know someone picked up the torch old is also relatively :) but since new ones are, it is old !!! about 1 year old: D inconceivable that we need to really speak of old. But he is alive and in one of the largest exchanges worldwide tradable! This is very much worth it! as well as ORB one of the first 30 Altcoins both are stable ... what more could you want. the integration in this project will both do well! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: MisO69 on September 21, 2014, 08:23:40 PM I do like the idea, but I would leave BTC out of it. Just because its value is so much more than any alt. Distribution will be skewed towards large BTC holders. Who may never claim their coins to begin with. Just a thought. Can you add Pinkcoin? I will reduce the protion that goes to BTC significantly. PinkCoin added Cool and Cool! Thanks, seen your post on the Pinkcoin thread. This is going to be a great coin! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 21, 2014, 08:37:36 PM ONE COIN TO RULE THEM ALL!
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/fe/43/2c/fe432c3b198b64cdf8f389fde9d1dc67.jpg Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 08:46:36 PM I believe this is the way. There are every day more and more, and we all know that a lot of shit this is! A few do not know that! The New! this is like the OTC / wall street! Thus, the strength of all strong stable etabalierten Coins can be united!
it plays no role whether they just have a little or a high value! important is actually only being worked constantly on them! And no hype is generated which is then lost because the Dev gives up and away! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: drawingthesun on September 21, 2014, 09:02:00 PM Any chance unredeemed coins start a "half life" after the first couple of years, such that within a decade all unredeemed coins can no longer be redeemed at all.
First year: 1:1 for coin redemption. Second year: same. Third year: 90% of value? Fourth year: 80% of value? Twelfth year: 0% of value? This forces people to redeem coins as soon as possible and gets people involved sooner rather than later. This could be done with a type of smart contract, if Project X has some type of smart contract ability, similar to Ethereum. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 09:06:32 PM lajz99
YES, and he also writes in the OP! And then the question already, you like to work for free? I can tell you that I sit all day in front of Coins and fight every day against the morons who have no patience, whether on an exchange or with words! Do you think I do that out of boredom? I have also given thee like an interview ... These are the people who like like everyone wants to be rich tomorrow. But do not see the opportunities that have old coins !! Even with huge advantages over the Bitcoin! http://www.onvista.de/news/dgap-news-karl-theodor-zu-guttenberg-im-interview-mit-ariva-de-ueber-kryptowaehrungen-das-potenzial-laesst-sich-noch-gar-nicht-ermessen-deutsch-1148357 Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 21, 2014, 09:12:18 PM if you mean,
then we can give up all alt coins !! and shit on the BTC, we all only sell ... Sometime is no longer worth it! What, then, have all won ?? really nothing Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 09:16:55 PM Any chance unredeemed coins start a "half life" after the first couple of years, such that within a decade all unredeemed coins can no longer be redeemed at all. First year: 1:1 for coin redemption. Second year: same. Third year: 90% of value? Fourth year: 80% of value? Twelfth year: 0% of value? This forces people to redeem coins as soon as possible and gets people involved sooner rather than later. This could be done with a type of smart contract, if Project X has some type of smart contract ability, similar to Ethereum. That's a great idea, thanks! will definitely incorporate. Any guesses at what can be considered a reasonable time-frame? a decade is a bit long... maybe 5 years? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 21, 2014, 09:28:07 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input other coin's private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with the internet? Are we just signing messages to prove balances? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 09:31:32 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. unless of course you really are confused :D Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 21, 2014, 09:34:45 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 21, 2014, 09:50:48 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 09:54:08 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. Then you really dont knwo why BTC is trusted or any other coin for that matter, they are trusted because they are OPEN SOURCE, ie, if you have any doubts you can read the code yourself. Your question is a genuine one and i'm not frustrated, just that you seem to think there are categories of being open source. either way, you are free to participate or not, so if your concern is your private keys then either read the code or leave well enough alone. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Propulsion on September 21, 2014, 09:58:26 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. Yeah you are. If I download your "barwizi wallet" and import my private bitcoin keys into it, you'll have the keys if the wallet is malicious. This is stupid. Anyone who imports their private keys into this "Universal Wallet" is a fool. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 10:04:37 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. I think that only applies if you use a wallet other than the one i will provide. The risk is there for those who go outside the prescribed directions, the keys are only imported and no other copy is kept, so if your wallet is kept secure there will be no problems. As for key loggers if a user opens themselves up to it then there is little we can do to help , it's no different a situation from right now, you could be unfortunate enough to have one on your machine already trying to get at your keys, how is that in anyway related to this project? This is a crypto currency that will be based off Bitcoin code, securing your wallet is your job , how have you been keeping them safe all this time and how does this project change that? Again this is just FUD since all the security issues are on the users end not the actual app itself. As for using your suggested method, i agree that would be great IF it was possible, but we are not worried about ownership in this case. we are concerned about your balance to use to calculate your % stake. The method you described above still requires you to have a way to redeem the coins attached to your address, which plain and simple is still your private keys. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Propulsion on September 21, 2014, 10:08:55 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. I think that only applies if you use a wallet other than the one i will provide. The risk is there for those who go outside the prescribed directions, the keys are only imported and no other copy is kept, so if your wallet is kept secure there will be no problems. As for key loggers if a user opens themselves up to it then there is little we can do to help , it's no different a situation from right now, you could be unfortunate enough to have one on your machine already trying to get at your keys, how is that in anyway related to this project? This is a crypto currency that will be based off Bitcoin code, securing your wallet is your job , how have you been keeping them safe all this time and how does this project change that? Again this is just FUD since all the security issues are on the users end not the actual app itself. As for using your suggested method, i agree that would be great IF it was possible, but we are not worried about ownership in this case. we are concerned about your balance to use to calculate your % stake. The method you described above still requires you to have a way to redeem the coins attached to your address, which plain and simple is still your private keys. The whole issue is unless the wallet you provide is inspected every single time it's released or updated, you could just take everyones private keys on a whim. You should really come up with a better distribution method. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 10:14:12 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. Yeah you are. If I download your "barwizi wallet" and import my private bitcoin keys into it, you'll have the keys if the wallet is malicious. This is stupid. Anyone who imports their private keys into this "Universal Wallet" is a fool. A lot of if's in your statement. FUD Your statement has no basis in fact and is mired in suscipicion, if you can present some solid grounds on why i'd release a malicious wallet, then i'll take your comments into consideration. I'd rather not moderate this thread, but it would be wonderful if you'd post something with substance. Security and privacy concerns are important, but lets not try to raise them as a means of FUD in this thread, genuine questions and concerns will always get my full attention. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 10:23:36 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. I think that only applies if you use a wallet other than the one i will provide. The risk is there for those who go outside the prescribed directions, the keys are only imported and no other copy is kept, so if your wallet is kept secure there will be no problems. As for key loggers if a user opens themselves up to it then there is little we can do to help , it's no different a situation from right now, you could be unfortunate enough to have one on your machine already trying to get at your keys, how is that in anyway related to this project? This is a crypto currency that will be based off Bitcoin code, securing your wallet is your job , how have you been keeping them safe all this time and how does this project change that? Again this is just FUD since all the security issues are on the users end not the actual app itself. As for using your suggested method, i agree that would be great IF it was possible, but we are not worried about ownership in this case. we are concerned about your balance to use to calculate your % stake. The method you described above still requires you to have a way to redeem the coins attached to your address, which plain and simple is still your private keys. The whole issue is unless the wallet you provide is inspected every single time it's released or updated, you could just take everyones private keys on a whim. You should really come up with a better distribution method. Yes, that is actually the way it is meant to be, open source software must be vetted all the time, it's made open source to increase trust because if there is anything funny in the wallet, it will be discovered and reported. How do you suggest that people gain control of their share without use of a secure means available only to themselves? This is simply an adaptation of the use of private keys there is no change in how they function. Their purpose is not wallet recovery as a lot of people seem to think, private keys are your proof of ownership. Public keys and addresses just server to tell/describe where to send a transaction and i see no way of accurately distributing the coins without use of addresses. And the only way you can redeem coins attached to a particular address, is to have the proof ownership. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 10:28:19 PM We are satoshi added to list of participating coins.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: hack_ on September 21, 2014, 10:50:43 PM Great idea, i like it. Whats with the shitton of negativity?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 21, 2014, 10:59:14 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. I think that only applies if you use a wallet other than the one i will provide. The risk is there for those who go outside the prescribed directions, the keys are only imported and no other copy is kept, so if your wallet is kept secure there will be no problems. As for key loggers if a user opens themselves up to it then there is little we can do to help , it's no different a situation from right now, you could be unfortunate enough to have one on your machine already trying to get at your keys, how is that in anyway related to this project? This is a crypto currency that will be based off Bitcoin code, securing your wallet is your job , how have you been keeping them safe all this time and how does this project change that? Again this is just FUD since all the security issues are on the users end not the actual app itself. As for using your suggested method, i agree that would be great IF it was possible, but we are not worried about ownership in this case. we are concerned about your balance to use to calculate your % stake. The method you described above still requires you to have a way to redeem the coins attached to your address, which plain and simple is still your private keys. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 11:12:22 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o ::) Do you even understand what i said? Noone except you knows your private key, you are not giving them up to anyone. If I am confused then perhaps you can help. Are you saying that you don't need to input private keys into a XUC wallet which communicates with to the internet? How is that different from moving your BTC keys from one wallet to another ??? In that case we should completely abolish the whole idea of private keys from crypto altogether. If you have doubts, how about looking through the source code when it's available, else all this is is FUD. There is a BIG difference. BTC has been around a long time and I would be moving keys between trusted wallets. However, I don't know you, your coin, your software, or your full intentions. Also, when I ask reasonable questions and you seem to get frustrated, that is a bad sign. I think that only applies if you use a wallet other than the one i will provide. The risk is there for those who go outside the prescribed directions, the keys are only imported and no other copy is kept, so if your wallet is kept secure there will be no problems. As for key loggers if a user opens themselves up to it then there is little we can do to help , it's no different a situation from right now, you could be unfortunate enough to have one on your machine already trying to get at your keys, how is that in anyway related to this project? This is a crypto currency that will be based off Bitcoin code, securing your wallet is your job , how have you been keeping them safe all this time and how does this project change that? Again this is just FUD since all the security issues are on the users end not the actual app itself. As for using your suggested method, i agree that would be great IF it was possible, but we are not worried about ownership in this case. we are concerned about your balance to use to calculate your % stake. The method you described above still requires you to have a way to redeem the coins attached to your address, which plain and simple is still your private keys. 1) Your comment assumes that private keys have some other job other than proof of ownership. 2) You raise the issue of key loggers 3) You claim that this enables having password gives access to all private keys 4) You then suggest a method of proof of ownership that does nothing for Proof of % stake and has no means of redeeming said stake. And i answer 1) The job of private keys is proof of ownership with the ability to redeem which is what I am acheiving with my method 2) Key loggers have always been around and it is your responsibility to make sure you do not install any on your computer, does BTC have any anti- keylogger code or are you asking me to make one for you? 3)Which password do you mean? if it is the login password, am i supposed to start teaching people to create secure login passwords? If it's the wallet password, am i supposed to teach people how to secure their own respective wallets? NO to both questions, it is your job as a user to secure your wallet. It is like that with every coin.....why are you looking for it to be different here? 4) Your method can prove address ownership...but do tell me HOW will someone be able to redeem? It is called a public key because it is public and available to all. Your coins are yours because you have the private key to prove it. Funny how a lot of coins have done chain swaps and distributions in a similar manner without any of the issues you are trying to invent. So long as the code is open source, it can be reviewed at length anytime. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Coins for everyone! X-UNITY Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 11:16:05 PM LOL, this is antimatter syndrome, very strong effects i see.
Lots of fear about the community coming together as one in this currency. Is it such a threat that people resort to FUd to try and kill the idea? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Magic8Ball on September 21, 2014, 11:17:23 PM Only the almost dead coin holders will be interested in this. The bigger coins will just dump their share and carry on with their own chain.
1% premine, with potentially a lot of this remaining unclaimed means he will have a huge share. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 21, 2014, 11:20:08 PM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 11:25:28 PM Only the almost dead coin holders will be interested in this. The bigger coins will just dump their share and carry on with their own chain. 1% premine, with potentially a lot of this remaining unclaimed means he will have a huge share. So that is all you take from this...how much i will have? talk about priorities. Quote 1% premine, with potentially a lot of this remaining unclaimed So my implementation should be based on hypothetical scenarios? Well then hypothetically, this reaches 1 dollar per coin...will we still have potentially unclaimed majority? Hypothetically, a new laptop comes out and it does 500TH/s Scrypt mining, what then will Litecoin become the ne world currency? People are free to participate or not, i am not asking for anyone's money, matter of fact i am offering them value less tokens that will only gain value depending on how they are recieved and traded. So yes, i will be holding on to my good 1% of the total supply, worthless or not. There is no IPO ICO or anyone holding a gun to your head, its a simple choice, in or out. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 11:33:27 PM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys. If there is a rock solid way of doing it, lets find it and i will use it. I promise to search diligently. But my understanding of how proof of ownership works with BTC based currencies, is that you need private keys in order to claim and control your coins, there is no way of getting around this since it is the backbone of the security which prevents arbitrary claiming of coins by any random individual. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 21, 2014, 11:41:01 PM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys. If there is a rock solid way of doing it, lets find it and i will use it. I promise to search diligently. But my understanding of how proof of ownership works with BTC based currencies, is that you need private keys in order to claim and control your coins, there is no way of getting around this since it is the backbone of the security which prevents arbitrary claiming of coins by any random individual. Basically I agree that using private keys for anything other than their original intended software is a bad idea, I mean for one thing it makes this project a lot higher of a target for keyloggers given that they now only need 1 password to access EVERY private key you have imported. It would be better if we could just sign a message using our original wallets and somehow use that as a private key that way everyone is one step removed risk wise and still able to prove ownership. I own this account ^message HzKTKv/Ym/lbvi+XE2kCD4EtHcK5btub5utEyIsOXMUS8WPNGSlbJ+5ipvBI1Pq0f2iQLyx/XZ7bJCUtfPvRrgU= ^black coin signature for message BJXcS2aaN6yyDenZXujmk7puMKRzzmNgTc ^black coin public address anyone running blackcoin can go in their wallet go to file verify message and enter what i just gave to prove i own that account because it requires a private key to generate that signature Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: hellyeahent on September 21, 2014, 11:44:37 PM I have ~50 BTC in alts so if i trade it will get some of your coins ? You mean 50/21 000 000 * number of coins ? :D And I get that for free ??
If yes 1st think I will do will sell it right away even for 0,1 BTC and every one will and ur coin will die Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 21, 2014, 11:55:49 PM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys. If there is a rock solid way of doing it, lets find it and i will use it. I promise to search diligently. But my understanding of how proof of ownership works with BTC based currencies, is that you need private keys in order to claim and control your coins, there is no way of getting around this since it is the backbone of the security which prevents arbitrary claiming of coins by any random individual. Basically I agree that using private keys for anything other than their original intended software is a bad idea, I mean for one thing it makes this project a lot higher of a target for keyloggers given that they now only need 1 password to access EVERY private key you have imported. It would be better if we could just sign a message using our original wallets and somehow use that as a private key that way everyone is one step removed risk wise and still able to prove ownership. I own this account ^message HzKTKv/Ym/lbvi+XE2kCD4EtHcK5btub5utEyIsOXMUS8WPNGSlbJ+5ipvBI1Pq0f2iQLyx/XZ7bJCUtfPvRrgU= ^black coin signature for message BJXcS2aaN6yyDenZXujmk7puMKRzzmNgTc ^black coin public address anyone running blackcoin can go in their wallet go to file verify message and enter what i just gave to prove i own that account because it requires a private key to generate that signature You really arent reading. That proves you own the address so ok, now the chain is active and i planted coins in that address. How are you going to retrieve them? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 22, 2014, 12:03:51 AM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys. If there is a rock solid way of doing it, lets find it and i will use it. I promise to search diligently. But my understanding of how proof of ownership works with BTC based currencies, is that you need private keys in order to claim and control your coins, there is no way of getting around this since it is the backbone of the security which prevents arbitrary claiming of coins by any random individual. Basically I agree that using private keys for anything other than their original intended software is a bad idea, I mean for one thing it makes this project a lot higher of a target for keyloggers given that they now only need 1 password to access EVERY private key you have imported. It would be better if we could just sign a message using our original wallets and somehow use that as a private key that way everyone is one step removed risk wise and still able to prove ownership. I own this account ^message HzKTKv/Ym/lbvi+XE2kCD4EtHcK5btub5utEyIsOXMUS8WPNGSlbJ+5ipvBI1Pq0f2iQLyx/XZ7bJCUtfPvRrgU= ^black coin signature for message BJXcS2aaN6yyDenZXujmk7puMKRzzmNgTc ^black coin public address anyone running blackcoin can go in their wallet go to file verify message and enter what i just gave to prove i own that account because it requires a private key to generate that signature You really arent reading. That proves you own the address so ok, now the chain is active and i planted coins in that address. How are you going to retrieve them? Also are you setting what addresses have what coins in them manually? Or are you scanning other blockchains? Also I think I discovered a potential problem, couldn't someone claim their coins by submitting their private key for an account that has coins in it and then move their coins to another address and then claim those same coins again at infinitum due to the fact that each address has a unique private key? Or the reverse happens where someone tries to claim their coins but you already set the values for the network and their coins are locked in some other address(es)? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 12:27:04 AM Couldn't users just sign a message proving ownership of their address in a particular coin? There is no need to expose users private keys. If there is a rock solid way of doing it, lets find it and i will use it. I promise to search diligently. But my understanding of how proof of ownership works with BTC based currencies, is that you need private keys in order to claim and control your coins, there is no way of getting around this since it is the backbone of the security which prevents arbitrary claiming of coins by any random individual. Basically I agree that using private keys for anything other than their original intended software is a bad idea, I mean for one thing it makes this project a lot higher of a target for keyloggers given that they now only need 1 password to access EVERY private key you have imported. It would be better if we could just sign a message using our original wallets and somehow use that as a private key that way everyone is one step removed risk wise and still able to prove ownership. I own this account ^message HzKTKv/Ym/lbvi+XE2kCD4EtHcK5btub5utEyIsOXMUS8WPNGSlbJ+5ipvBI1Pq0f2iQLyx/XZ7bJCUtfPvRrgU= ^black coin signature for message BJXcS2aaN6yyDenZXujmk7puMKRzzmNgTc ^black coin public address anyone running blackcoin can go in their wallet go to file verify message and enter what i just gave to prove i own that account because it requires a private key to generate that signature You really arent reading. That proves you own the address so ok, now the chain is active and i planted coins in that address. How are you going to retrieve them? Also are you setting what addresses have what coins in them manually? Or are you scanning other blockchains? Also I think I discovered a potential problem, couldn't someone claim their coins by submitting their private key for an account that has coins in it and then move their coins to another address and then claim those same coins again at infinitum due to the fact that each address has a unique private key? Or the reverse happens where someone tries to claim their coins but you already set the values for the network and their coins are locked in some other address(es)? the only way to lay claim to coins on a block chain is to own the private keys, there is no way around that as far as i know, if there was, then all cryptos would fail because your value would not be safe and belong to you alone. I understand what you are trying to do, but this is a question that has been posed so many times. By design the block chain only aloows you to control coins whose private key you have . Perhaps let me explain how it works I have a snapshot of coin A adressiamrich1232hggsu has 178 coins I convert adressiamrich1232hggsu to the version of our new coin, meaning that the private key of adressiamrich1232hggsu can now controlls that amount in the new chain. The public key/address is like your house address, and the private key is the master key that opens your house. everyone can see your house, but to get in and move everything to a new house or move furniture around, they need the key to your house, a one of a kind key that only you have. Quote Also I think I discovered a potential problem, couldn't someone claim their coins by submitting their private key for an account that has coins in it and then move their coins to another address and then claim those same coins again at infinitum due to the fact that each address has a unique private key? The snapshot records balances at a specific time. at 00:00 you had 10 coins in this address, if i take the snapshot at 00:00, and you move your coins at 00:01 , they will only reflect in the first address. there is no way around this. Quote Or the reverse happens where someone tries to claim their coins but you already set the values for the network and their coins are locked in some other address(es)? this is why i give advance notice, two whole weeks for us to hash out your concerns and allow people time to prepare for the snapshot by moving their coins to addresses under their control. f they miss the snapshot they'll have to find ways to get the private keys of the address their coins were in at that time. A "fair" distribution model has been suggested whereby i do not look at value and just assign equal coins to everyone, ie every chain gets an equal % of the chain. While noble, i think this model is less likely to result in actual valuation of the coin. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 12:30:24 AM I have ~50 BTC in alts so if i trade it will get some of your coins ? You mean 50/21 000 000 * number of coins ? :D And I get that for free ?? If yes 1st think I will do will sell it right away even for 0,1 BTC and every one will and ur coin will die If that happens then so be it. There is no rule that says coins must not die, However, here's a more likely scenario, you dump and go away smirking , then a few weeks or months later, as it gains popularity, the price rises where by your 0.1 BTC, could be equal to 3 BTC. your smirk becomes a grimace and those who bought your cheap coins go to town on what was once yours. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 22, 2014, 12:41:40 AM letstalkbitcoin.com has a system that is currently implemented which allows users to sign a message proving their ownership of an address. Based on this ownership they can be issued additional tokens. This requires no exposure of private keys.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 12:52:26 AM letstalkbitcoin.com has a system that is currently implemented which allows users to sign a message proving their ownership of an address. Based on this ownership they can be issued additional tokens. This requires no exposure of private keys. Let me look at it firts , but while i do that, let me leave you with a question. How does this method deal with the questions asked by theprofileth? he talks about someone moving coins around. Just to keep us on track let me elaborate on my method 1) I take a snapshot of balances, this means i have a static record of balances in each respective address 2) I take a price snapshot, meaning i have a price guideline which will not change anymore 3) I map the balances on the chain based on static price , meaning accurate and uniform distribution. 4) User claims their amounts either entirely, or selectively 5) this method is not chain dependent, it applies to anything that uses the bitcoin code and pub/priv key pair Note, once i have the snapshot, you cant change the % you will get, nor will price manipulation change the % of the chain that particular participant is due. just reading your method suggests a live system, which is flawed in the worst sense since i could keep moving coins around and sending messages , some coins have no real buys support and a 1 BTC buy could change the price my huge spans. My method is secure, tried, tested and proven many times over. Please answer my questions while i investigate your idea, it's not good for devs to dismiss things without taking a proper look at them, and i promise, i am doing so with a open mind. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 12:55:05 AM ah, i see
it will not work, can you guess why based off my post above or should i explain? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 22, 2014, 01:11:02 AM In your own words...
you really are confused :D People are here educating you while you talk down to them. I'll remind everyone to check out barwizi's multitude of negative trust. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: mr.coinstrader on September 22, 2014, 01:19:39 AM what criteria of integration here ?, some
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 22, 2014, 01:21:48 AM ah, i see Well I have my notions but an explanation would be nice to understand things from your viewit will not work, can you guess why based off my post above or should i explain? also yes I do understand how private keys work and no you haven't answered what i said before about being able to use dumprivkey after unlocking the wallet to get access to all the imported private keys for all addresses Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: MisO69 on September 22, 2014, 01:22:54 AM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence.
1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: forzendiablo on September 22, 2014, 01:32:13 AM i dont get it but i will watch what happends
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 22, 2014, 01:32:21 AM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 22, 2014, 01:44:38 AM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet. You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks. You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes. But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software. This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen. If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds. Problem NOT solved. ;) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 01:49:43 AM ah, i see Well I have my notions but an explanation would be nice to understand things from your viewit will not work, can you guess why based off my post above or should i explain? also yes I do understand how private keys work and no you haven't answered what i said before about being able to use dumprivkey after unlocking the wallet to get access to all the imported private keys for all addresses Ok, simply, LBT uses on chain distribution, ie everyone is using the one single chain, so its just a script that parses and get a sending address and sends coins back. If we were to send a signed message to a bitcoin node...how will we report your actual balance? From there where do we send the coins? we could maybe start a new chain, people get the new chains addresses, but how then to allocate their share based on the % the held in each respective coin? using that method, we lose information such as balance, and price, which are key components in trying to distribute relative % with accuracy. Also there is no "static" point of reference from which to decide allocation so people can manipulate by using multiple addresses with negligible balances, or even no balance at all. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 22, 2014, 01:58:06 AM Move coins to new key, send old key?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 01:59:10 AM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet. You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks. You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes. But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software. This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen. If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds. Problem NOT solved. ;) All in all the problem is on the user side, not the developer side. Your concerns while valid still fall under the category of user security. In this case what we are attempting to do is like Microsoft trying to create a Login policy that takes into account that yo have a 5 year old at home and a teenager who sometimes leaves the wi-fi on in public. All i can do is map the balances on the chain and tel people how to redeem. The concerns about the code are invalid since it is open source and can be reviewed at launch. Since there is no mining rush, people can take their time to redeem their share after getting a report on the code. As for Binaries, i would suggest using those compiled by me and me alone, no third party code. Snapshot dates are not arbitrary, they are announced and adhered to, look at NoirShares, Lottoshares, MMC BTSX and many others have all used this method successfully without incident. And on another note, actually he is right in his own way!! Problem indeed solved. if you do not trust me or the people who review the code also not trusting yourself to view the code, you can simply redeem offline, send to a new wallet and destroy the one you used to redeem. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:00:17 AM Move coins to new key, send old key? With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:00:52 AM Sync added
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: smith coins on September 22, 2014, 02:32:26 AM looking forward to this Project
good luck Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 22, 2014, 02:33:20 AM Move coins to new key, send old key? With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus. I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:36:43 AM Move coins to new key, send old key? With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus. I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain? If you happened to be holding NRS before our snapshot you could have a live demonstration, no, the address changes to fit the prefix of the new chain,, it does not remain the same. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 22, 2014, 02:46:30 AM Move coins to new key, send old key? With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus. I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain? If you happened to be holding NRS before our snapshot you could have a live demonstration, no, the address changes to fit the prefix of the new chain,, it does not remain the same. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:52:59 AM Move coins to new key, send old key? With my method, there are no keys exchanged at all. So apart from getting free coins, you also get anonymity as a bonus. I think more explanation is needed for example when you claim your coins do you have them under the same address but in the project x chain? If you happened to be holding NRS before our snapshot you could have a live demonstration, no, the address changes to fit the prefix of the new chain,, it does not remain the same. the keys are unique to each other, you'll need to understand bitcoin base58 for total understanding , but basically each matching pair can be converted to another version , for example, Bitcoin uses 1 as it's prefix so if we want that key to fit for example NoirShares, we need to convert to 0x35 == 53 which is N . its the same key, just converted to match our prefix Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: vipgelsi on September 22, 2014, 03:23:33 AM Wanst this a movie in the 80's? ;D
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: chocobo on September 22, 2014, 06:11:55 AM Beware of this dev, he has taken tons of BTC from Noir Group including most of an ICO and a 10% premine. This thread explains further:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791890.new#new Notice that the premine of XUC will be much larger than 1% because likely less that 5% of snapshot coins will be claimed Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: darylluke on September 22, 2014, 06:22:29 AM I know it is a young coin, but I submit LTCD for this project, too. I hope you guys like it enough to include it in your new project here!! thnx.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=760143.0 ~darylluke. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: sidhujag on September 22, 2014, 06:27:39 AM plz add devcoin to the list
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mr Harrison on September 22, 2014, 07:43:03 AM Every big exchange will love this coin. Massive shares. Am i right?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: noerc on September 22, 2014, 08:10:01 AM I don't really understand the idea of this project. So the devs of all participating coins should hardfork to your 1% premine PoW coin and half of the coin supply will be distributed over the non-zero balance addresses weighted by normalized market cap? I mean the old blockchains still exist, do you want the devs to abandon their projects to join this one? Then someone else could pick up the development on the old chain and keep the market cap in the original coin.
BTW, most of the developers of the coins in the list would be able to arrange the same thing without you and without the 1% premine. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 11:03:36 AM I don't really understand the idea of this project. So the devs of all participating coins should hardfork to your 1% premine PoW coin and half of the coin supply will be distributed over the non-zero balance addresses weighted by normalized market cap? I mean the old blockchains still exist, do you want the devs to abandon their projects to join this one? Then someone else could pick up the development on the old chain and keep the market cap in the original coin. BTW, most of the developers of the coins in the list would be able to arrange the same thing without you and without the 1% premine. Noone is hardforking anything, and people can continue on their chains, they are simply being given a share in this with no strings attached. No dev is asked to join this project or abandon his , please take time to read the OP properly as everything is there. BTW, most of the developers of the coins in the list would be able to arrange the same thing without you and without the 1% premine. But they did not come up with the idea did they? Anyone can fork the chain or copy my idea if they wish , such is crypto. But in the end, if all you can do is copy someone else's ideas, you don't amount to much do you? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: picchio on September 22, 2014, 11:44:57 AM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 11:52:15 AM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: picchio on September 22, 2014, 11:56:49 AM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them? if I understand, you can sign a message that assign coin to new one in your coin with new private key and new address. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 12:08:41 PM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them? if I understand, you can sign a message that assign coin to new one in your coin with new private key and new address. You are talking about Ownership, i am saying that you cannot use sign message to redeem your coins. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: ethought on September 22, 2014, 01:09:03 PM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet. You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks. You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes. But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software. This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen. If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds. Problem NOT solved. ;) Problem is solved. 1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance 2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key. 3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet. That way even if the project x wallet has bad intentions (which I don't believe it would) by the time you input your original XYZ private key there would be no balance to steal anyway. Totally fail safe. Just quite a hassle to move all your coins from all the various wallets to new private keys after the snapshot.... Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 01:12:02 PM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet. You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks. You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes. But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software. This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen. If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds. Problem NOT solved. ;) Problem is solved. 1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance 2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key. 3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet. That way even if the project x wallet has bad intentions (which I don't believe it would) by the time you input your original XYZ private key there would be no balance to steal anyway. Totally fail safe. Just quite a hassle to move all your coins from all the various wallets to new private keys after the snapshot.... Thanks For the issue you raise, i guess it's up to the user to decide if they want all their coins :) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: ethought on September 22, 2014, 01:19:16 PM The only issue I have is how the list of coins are selected.
To make this truly all encompassing wouldn't you need to add quite a large percentage, if not all, of the 1000+ coins already in existence? Can anyone suggest coins they would like to add? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 01:27:15 PM The only issue I have is how the list of coins are selected. To make this truly all encompassing wouldn't you need to add quite a large percentage, if not all, of the 1000+ coins already in existence? Can anyone suggest coins they would like to add? Yes, all are welcome, the one main limitation is that it needs to be traded, that way valuing it is easier. Do you have any coins in mind? That is also another issue i am struggling with, how to value it based on BTC with ending up giving more than half the coins to BTC. I think i may end up just valuing based on BTC then not map BTC balances, this will effectively mean its an alts only alt. edit: i am hoping we'll only need to add a max of 200 , hopefully anyone and everyone involved with cryptos will be able to claim some Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: gjhiggins on September 22, 2014, 01:32:17 PM Problem is solved. 1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance 2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key. 3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet. Exactly the instructions that accompanied the CLAMS launch: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.0 If you had a non-zero balance in a BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet earlier this year there may be CLAMS awaiting you. You then have the opportunity to trial the process with a coin of known integrity and satisfy yourself that the process works as described. Just a thought. Cheers Graham Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:06:49 PM Problem is solved. 1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance 2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key. 3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet. Exactly the instructions that accompanied the CLAMS launch: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147.0 If you had a non-zero balance in a BTC/LTC/DOGE wallet earlier this year there may be CLAMS awaiting you. You then have the opportunity to trial the process with a coin of known integrity and satisfy yourself that the process works as described. Just a thought. Cheers Graham Yes there are lots of examples of this method being used successfully. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:09:25 PM in order to make the snapshot process fast an painless, i am already download all accepted blockchains, creating relevant databases and writing the update scripts, meaning on the actual snapshot date, it will take less than 10 minutes to get all the data.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: gjhiggins on September 22, 2014, 02:16:53 PM Yes there are lots of examples of this method being used successfully. Oooh, can I bug you for a list off've the top of your head? (or anyone). I'm keen to update the relevant DOACC entries to accurately record the distribution scheme. Cheers Graham Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 02:39:56 PM Yes there are lots of examples of this method being used successfully. Oooh, can I bug you for a list off've the top of your head? (or anyone). I'm keen to update the relevant DOACC entries to accurately record the distribution scheme. Cheers Graham NRS - NoirShares BTSX - BitSharesX MMC 2.0 Memorycoin Clams Lotto shares ADT Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: gjhiggins on September 22, 2014, 02:46:22 PM Oooh, can I bug you for a list off've the top of your head? (or anyone). NRS - NoirSharesBTSX - BitSharesX MMC 2.0 Memorycoin Clams Lotto shares ADT That's most useful, many thanks for taking the time to respond. Cheers Graham Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: biophil on September 22, 2014, 03:47:34 PM Giving up private keys for multiple coins to one untrusted source? :o Just transfer all your funds to a new address before you import your key, and then make sure you never use that private key again. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: JakeThePanda on September 22, 2014, 04:25:53 PM How much of the 1% pre-mine will go to the General Fund of Noir Group?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 22, 2014, 04:34:44 PM I don't know if this has been said or not. Tired, long day and don't want to read every sentence. Yeah I already figured out that this was a decent solution however I am unclear whether or not every address is being implemented from all included coins because having to do something like that poses its own problems not to mention the inconvience of having to move coins that would otherwise receive PoS and now resetting your coin age1) Snapshot is taken. 2) Move your coins to another wallet. 3) Use private keys from original wallet that had your coins during the snapshot. Problem solved. ;) You wouldn't be moving coins by inputing your private key into his wallet. You'd be showing him that you own the coins and you'd also be exposing those coins to security risks. You could move your coins to a new wallet after the snapshot, yes. But when the snapshot is taken would be decided by barwizi or his people while they potentially control your keys thru their software. This leaves enough time for your keys to be exposed and your coins to be stolen. If the pillage process is automated then it only takes a few seconds. Problem NOT solved. ;) Problem is solved. 1. Snapshot is taken of your BTC address XYZ with 100BTC balance 2. Move your BTC to new address ABC from XYZ -> essentially moving any coins from your original private key to new private key. 3. Input your private key from bitcoin wallet for XYZ (which now has 0 balance) into project X wallet. That way even if the project x wallet has bad intentions (which I don't believe it would) by the time you input your original XYZ private key there would be no balance to steal anyway. Totally fail safe. Just quite a hassle to move all your coins from all the various wallets to new private keys after the snapshot.... Thanks For the issue you raise, i guess it's up to the user to decide if they want all their coins :) Of course its a snapshot at a selected date. The date needs to be set for each coin, or globally. How many coins are you intending to incorporate ? There are scores of big communities (by length of BTCtalk thread) where the coins have low market cap. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 04:36:36 PM How much of the 1% pre-mine will go to the General Fund of Noir Group? Probably a good share, why? edit: maybe half or more depending Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: mitache365 on September 22, 2014, 05:41:21 PM lol another scam by barwizi 8)
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 22, 2014, 05:43:05 PM lol another scam by barwizi 8) Yes, He's given away free coins!!! It just has to be a scam !! ::) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: SuperClam on September 22, 2014, 05:47:05 PM Great Idea ;D ;D ;D ;D
So great, in fact, that we implemented it back in MAY :) CLAMS -> Proof-of-Chain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147) Our code has already been vetted :D Glad to have another Proof-Of-Chain coin aboard. For God's sake, please be respectful and trustworthy of your users information. For those interested, CLAMS distributed to every single address on the BTC, LTC, DOGE block chains in the middle of May. Distributions were not based on balance, but instead evenly disbursed. If you owned BTC, LTC, DOGE in the middle of May, you already own CLAMS. You can claim from within the wallet via the convenient "Import Wallet" dialog. In addition, the network is 100% PoS through a fair non-interest based Lottery. The size of your pile does NOT decide the size of the stake reward. Cheers from the CLAMS team ;D ;D ;D Any questions and please feel free to come say hello in freenode IRC @ #clams http://www.clamclient.com/irc/ Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: SuperClam on September 22, 2014, 05:51:23 PM Great Idea ;D ;D ;D ;D +1 So great, in fact, that we implemented it back in MAY :) CLAMS -> Proof-of-Chain (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=623147) Our code has already been vetted :D Glad to have another Proof-Of-Chain coin aboard. For God's sake, please be respectful and trustworthy of your users information. For those interested, CLAMS distributed to every single address on the BTC, LTC, DOGE block chains in the middle of May. Distributions were not based on balance, but instead evenly disbursed. If you owned BTC, LTC, DOGE in the middle of May, you already own CLAMS. You can claim from within the wallet via the convenient "Import Wallet" dialog. In addition, the network is 100% PoS through a fair non-interest based Lottery. The size of your pile does NOT decide the size of the stake reward. Cheers from the CLAMS team ;D ;D ;D Any questions and please feel free to come say hello in freenode IRC @ #clams http://www.clamclient.com/irc/ Thanks, we thought it was pretty cool too :D [edit for spelling] Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: JakeThePanda on September 22, 2014, 06:15:49 PM How much of the 1% pre-mine will go to the General Fund of Noir Group? Probably a good share, why? edit: maybe half or more depending No reason, just curious. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Zer0Sum on September 22, 2014, 06:55:05 PM Pointless coins need to die so useful ones can thrive... so it's a reverse Darwinian coin. In the Alt Zero Sum Game... This is a wealth transfer from successful coins to failed coins... With all the usual middlemen taking a massive cut. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 23, 2014, 12:58:40 AM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them? if I understand, you can sign a message that assign coin to new one in your coin with new private key and new address. You are talking about Ownership, i am saying that you cannot use sign message to redeem your coins. edit: no longer oversized Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 01:13:52 AM ... Why do not use signmessage?How to get your Coins -------------------------- ... type dumpprivkey "insertyouraddresshere" and copy the result. Then in the XUC wallet HELP--> DEBUG WINDOW --> CONSOLE type importprivkey "yourprivatekeyhere", signmessage <CoinAddress> <message> Sign a message with the private key of an address You can prove ownership of an address using signmessage yes...but how will you redeem them? if I understand, you can sign a message that assign coin to new one in your coin with new private key and new address. You are talking about Ownership, i am saying that you cannot use sign message to redeem your coins. edit: no longer oversized That requires that all coins be mined in advance and i will end up with way more than the 1% intended as not everyone will redeem. It's not 1% of every coin, it's 1% of this coin, i dont see how the two connect. Quote barwizi is going to have 1% of ALL BTC ever to be created alone lol, wut? So my having 1% of this coin equates to having 1 % of all BTC , how? Quote he probably will hold the lion's share of the coins which is the equivalent to 210,000 Unless i am mistaken, there are only ~13 million BTC to date and i see no issue in my holding 1% of my idea. Keep in mind these tokens onlyh have the value awarded by the community, they do not have an actual set price. And please explain to me why it is a problem that i am giving away free coins and decide to keep 1% for myself? edit: if you really know the crypto world then you'd lknow that me holding 1% is nothing, there are people who just import BTC and LTC can own up to 10 % of the chain. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 01:29:36 AM The premise is not based on what if and hypotheticals, it is simply a mapping of as many blockchains as i can onto one. The fact that i will hold one percent means nothing. And attempting to use a distribution model that leaves coins in my hands or even on a bot is just asking for trouble and very inefficient.
If the community feels that this is a valuable coin we will see many people redeeming, if not, then it will just die. But i cannot make my decisions based on ifs and whens. Funny how people are fixated on the 1% i hold over the fact that these are free coins, no IPO , ICO or mining involved, you just get coins no strings attached. So i should give away free coins and not take some free 1% for myself of said free coins? ??? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Mario241077 on September 23, 2014, 02:40:02 AM I do not understand the people! Most people here want the developer is reachable 24 hours! And best your question in a few seconds and problem solve in minutes!
Ask these people also once someone of what such a developer lives ??? most people in the world go work 8 per day and sleep 8 hours, 1 to 3 hours on average takes time for things every day! Example Just the ride to his work! so 5 hours stay for free time if you have no children or so! And no other interests !!! I think this is too much students go, young people, because they have more free time! And not have to take care of themselves !!! But papa and mama will pay for everything! And why should someone work for free, I always wonder !!! Especially since you also can not develop it, because without money you have no PC, no power no apartment, how is this so everything will be paid. Yes that's the REAL life If someone likes nothing works without expecting anything in return, then please contact me, I would forgive tasks. Because my time is often scarce a day and honest !! No one is here because he wants to do something for free, because everyone wants to earn something, namely money. Even if he just stupid puscher post to write because he has just invested! almost every multi-pool takes 1-2% for themselves ... some even 3-5% and the need to develop anything, because the software is free, it must be provided only once and then the running costs are covered! But for that you need time and thus it is ok! developer of software miner 2.5% to 3% only for the miner software example PTS if you use your Miner and ypool example assumes 5% + plus 2.5% for miner software so you pay 7.5% in total So I do not understand the Disskusion! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 23, 2014, 02:41:55 AM Also you never even considered the option I came up with that has zero security issues and is effectively fool proof as you can't fake a sig, all you can do is try to take something that some has signed before and pass it off as your own but if the message is randomly generated you can't fake it
Quote You could have a script where you give your address you want to redeem and then it asks for a random message to be signed within like lets say 5 minutes and if that signature can be verified correctly then you just send the correctly allocated funds to their payout account that the user specifies, problem solved. Furthermore you shouldn't control unclaimed coins that is just dumb, if anything you should only get 1% of all claimed coins and even that is far far too much. Also it isn't owning 1% of your idea, your idea is to join all the coins under one platform, thats called an exchange... you didn't come up with anything. If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have...Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on September 23, 2014, 03:18:19 AM Why do you keep deleting posts barwizi?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: pawlo74 on September 23, 2014, 09:42:05 AM Why do you keep deleting posts barwizi? Because he has no answers to the questions or accusations. And, he's a scammer. Shame but seems like :( Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 10:33:39 AM Also you never even considered the option I came up with that has zero security issues and is effectively fool proof as you can't fake a sig, all you can do is try to take something that some has signed before and pass it off as your own but if the message is randomly generated you can't fake it Quote You could have a script where you give your address you want to redeem and then it asks for a random message to be signed within like lets say 5 minutes and if that signature can be verified correctly then you just send the correctly allocated funds to their payout account that the user specifies, problem solved. Furthermore you shouldn't control unclaimed coins that is just dumb, if anything you should only get 1% of all claimed coins and even that is far far too much. Also it isn't owning 1% of your idea, your idea is to join all the coins under one platform, thats called an exchange... you didn't come up with anything. If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have...That takes care of Ownership but how does it deal with calculating the coins due for that account? You keep solving one problem at the expense of the other so excuse me, it looks like that is just dumb. Quote thats called an exchange Please explain how in any way this is an exchange? Quote If people really wanted to get all their coins into one wallet they could just trade them for the coin they wanted to have... People are free to participate or not, i see no rule on this forum that says you must always have a piece of every coin. If they are uninterested, they will simply not claim their share. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: hack_ on September 23, 2014, 11:39:35 AM How about I fork this and make one without the premine, what do you say to that? I agree, 1% could potentially be a lot.
remember this:- I'm gonna fork and relaunch this, anyone got a node i can use? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 03:46:17 PM How about I fork this and make one without the premine, what do you say to that? I agree, 1% could potentially be a lot. remember this:- I'm gonna fork and relaunch this, anyone got a node i can use? But i didnt do it did I? Such an old post. 1% is only a lot if this coin has low, or no interest at all. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 23, 2014, 07:08:59 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 10:15:41 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method. You keep hopping from one area to another Find a method since you seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria : 1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins) 2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions 3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins 4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1 5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 23, 2014, 10:26:40 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method. You keep hopping from one area to another Find a method since you seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria : 1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins) 2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions 3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins 4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1 5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 10:47:39 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method. You keep hopping from one area to another Find a method since you seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria : 1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins) 2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions 3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins 4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1 5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy signing a message prove ownership on chain A, and we want to redeem on chain B so you want me to write a script that sends coins to chain B when chain A signs a message? here is problem number 1 , this means i have to mine all the coins in advance leaving them in my possession, which means i have to take responsibilty for them NO, I REFUSE. not only is it extra work it means anyone who fails to redeem their coins will begin bothering me about it. And considering the sheer number of possible addresses, that will take the rest of my life. 2) your method is highly inefficient and requires that there be a server that automatically pays out, meaning if someone gains access or plain just DDoS it then redeeming is messed up. 3) Your method requires that i remain on hand and become a help desk for everyone yet a simple do it yourself method that is proven exists 4) Your method requires that users be online to redeem their coins, mine doesn't 5) Your method is NOT scalable at all as it requires running every single client of every coin involved 6) in your method balances are not easily verifiable from Block 1 Let me explain How my method trumps yours 1) Once you download the wallet, even if it syncs just the first block, your balance will appear that instant and you are free to move it if you wish. 2) There is no need for proof of ownership, you just redeem your coins and go about your business and even the most technically inept can follow two lines of instructions. 3) It is easily scalable, i already have + 30 Block chain with up to date balances, running a script for a few seconds will compile all the balances and format them ready for inclusion, and if the code is ready, even the genesis block will be mined without any intervention from me. 4) A brand new wallet will reflect your balance 5) you can redeem offline by simply having a copy of the client, no hassle, all security issues got out the window. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 23, 2014, 11:03:58 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method. You keep hopping from one area to another Find a method since you seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria : 1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins) 2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions 3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins 4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1 5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy signing a message prove ownership on chain A, and we want to redeem on chain B so you want me to write a script that sends coins to chain B when chain A signs a message? here is problem number 1 , this means i have to mine all the coins in advance leaving them in my possession, which means i have to take responsibilty for them NO, I REFUSE. not only is it extra work it means anyone who fails to redeem their coins will begin bothering me about it. And considering the sheer number of possible addresses, that will take the rest of my life. 2) your method is highly inefficient and requires that there be a server that automatically pays out, meaning if someone gains access or plain just DDoS it then redeeming is messed up. 3) Your method requires that i remain on hand and become a help desk for everyone yet a simple do it yourself method that is proven exists 4) Your method requires that users be online to redeem their coins, mine doesn't 5) Your method is NOT scalable at all as it requires running every single client of every coin involved 6) in your method balances are not easily verifiable from Block 1 Let me explain How my method trumps yours 1) Once you download the wallet, even if it syncs just the first block, your balance will appear that instant and you are free to move it if you wish. 2) There is no need for proof of ownership, you just redeem your coins and go about your business and even the most technically inept can follow two lines of instructions. 3) It is easily scalable, i already have + 30 Block chain with up to date balances, running a script for a few seconds will compile all the balances and format them ready for inclusion, and if the code is ready, even the genesis block will be mined without any intervention from me. 4) A brand new wallet will reflect your balance 5) you can redeem offline by simply having a copy of the client, no hassle, all security issues got out the window. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 23, 2014, 11:38:02 PM How does having people import their private key make it any easier to calculate the coins due to them? The coins due for each account should be calculated when the snapshot occurs and doesn't require user input so I don't see why a script that securely enables users to provide evidence of ownership and provide an address to receive their coins is any different. You still need to calculate the coins that are due to each account either way. Infact it would be easier to not store every address on your chain and instead have a script that looks at your snapshot data when they go to claim their coins and then sends the correct allocated amount from a pool of redemption coins that is entirely automated removing trust altogether from the system. Plus this way you could keep the redemption system going for far longer and if you wanted have it send you 1% to your address which can be documented on the blockchain this way I think you need to read all the posts I've made in this regard and the ones on the page and the last from various groups that have already used the same method. You keep hopping from one area to another Find a method since you seem to believe there is one that meets the following criteria : 1) Static balances for all addresses in each and every chain (should be scalable to 200 or 400 coins) 2) Easy proof of ownership and redeeming without any need for technical input, just a few instructions 3) Method of redeeming should be scalable up to 200 or 400 coins 4) Balances should be easily verifiable from block 1 5) anyone can redeem offline, and maintain their privacy signing a message prove ownership on chain A, and we want to redeem on chain B so you want me to write a script that sends coins to chain B when chain A signs a message? here is problem number 1 , this means i have to mine all the coins in advance leaving them in my possession, which means i have to take responsibilty for them NO, I REFUSE. not only is it extra work it means anyone who fails to redeem their coins will begin bothering me about it. And considering the sheer number of possible addresses, that will take the rest of my life. 2) your method is highly inefficient and requires that there be a server that automatically pays out, meaning if someone gains access or plain just DDoS it then redeeming is messed up. 3) Your method requires that i remain on hand and become a help desk for everyone yet a simple do it yourself method that is proven exists 4) Your method requires that users be online to redeem their coins, mine doesn't 5) Your method is NOT scalable at all as it requires running every single client of every coin involved 6) in your method balances are not easily verifiable from Block 1 Let me explain How my method trumps yours 1) Once you download the wallet, even if it syncs just the first block, your balance will appear that instant and you are free to move it if you wish. 2) There is no need for proof of ownership, you just redeem your coins and go about your business and even the most technically inept can follow two lines of instructions. 3) It is easily scalable, i already have + 30 Block chain with up to date balances, running a script for a few seconds will compile all the balances and format them ready for inclusion, and if the code is ready, even the genesis block will be mined without any intervention from me. 4) A brand new wallet will reflect your balance 5) you can redeem offline by simply having a copy of the client, no hassle, all security issues got out the window. You clearly dont get my explanation. I think you should pick a coin that you may hold and set aside a few coins in a separate address, a few days from now the source code will be opened for review then i can throw you a test client where you can see how very simple abnd straight forward it is. The concept of proving ownership and the ability to redeem in a trivial manner have eluded you. If you have a BTC address that existed since before CLAMS, go and try import your key in that wallet, or in LottoShares. Quote You are correct that the weakness of my system is that you need an online server but it could be feasible to build the system into the actual network. Start a topic on that in development sub forum. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: theprofileth on September 24, 2014, 02:21:14 AM Please actually respond to what I said
Quote Ok so are you saying that your blockchain will contain an address for ever single address in every blockchain we can import from? Also point 5 your solution requires that you get the private key from the client which also needs to be running in order to get it. Also if you plan to not control the horde of coins then how will you claim any unclaimed coins? If you can access unclaimed coins from accounts then you could just as easily claim coins from activated accounts. Also how is signing a message any less complicated than dumping a private key? Because I feel like you are just skimming over and picking what you want to answer.Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: tvbstar on September 24, 2014, 07:22:14 AM actually, I am confused how it work exactly. How? In short word.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 25, 2014, 05:22:08 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 You shouldn't say this stuff in this thread. It is for everyone to make their own judgement. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 25, 2014, 05:25:14 PM actually, I am confused how it work exactly. How? In short word. S C A M Not necessarily.. Similar to Lottoshares : coins are allocated to addresses copied from the other blockchains...private keys can sign and unlock the coins without being compromised. The software is open source. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on September 25, 2014, 05:46:16 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 [MOD NOTE: Edited text size and removed off-topic image] Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: wain-m on September 26, 2014, 01:47:49 AM Tentative Expected Launch date is 15/10/14 !
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: RedZeppelin on September 26, 2014, 06:48:15 PM Barwizis own little "scamNET"..
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: RedZeppelin on September 26, 2014, 06:53:15 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 You shouldn't say this stuff in this thread. It is for everyone to make their own judgement. Read the facts provided by his most recent COO. Lol love these fine titles Barwizi throws on his little peons. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Magic8Ball on September 26, 2014, 09:05:54 PM This is actually just a new coin with 1% premine which airdrops on some of the existing coins in various ratios. Unless the scheme is such that the original coins have to be burned to get the new ones I do not see much future. All the successful chains will just continue running as usual and they will see as some free coins to sell.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: RedZeppelin on September 26, 2014, 11:25:31 PM This is actually just a new coin with 1% premine which airdrops on some of the existing coins in various ratios. Unless the scheme is such that the original coins have to be burned to get the new ones I do not see much future. All the successful chains will just continue running as usual and they will see as some free coins to sell. 1% Barwizi premine that in reality equals alot more, how many that hold Litecoin will claim do you think? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 26, 2014, 11:29:38 PM This is actually just a new coin with 1% premine which airdrops on some of the existing coins in various ratios. Unless the scheme is such that the original coins have to be burned to get the new ones I do not see much future. All the successful chains will just continue running as usual and they will see as some free coins to sell. Quite true. I have been thinking of ways to make it interesting and so far i am considering 1) Limited redeem time 2) anti- PoS , ie when coins reach "stake age" they actually reduce instead of increasing 3) Live reactive minting, is instead of a set PoW reward, it actually fluctuates based on multiple variables such as as i) Tx volume ii) Mint volume iii) (maybe a external feed) either real world indices or from exchanges, likely the first as they are less likely to be manipulated. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: BarTeam on September 27, 2014, 12:03:23 AM ... 2) anti- PoS , ie when coins reach "stake age" they actually reduce instead of increasing ... Or simply they flow back to network instead of being burned. This will ensure both interest rate and unused accounts get "clean" from blockchain. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: BarTeam on September 27, 2014, 12:08:56 AM I like this one:
Quote 3) Live reactive minting, is instead of a set PoW reward, it actually fluctuates based on multiple variables such as as i) Tx volume ii) Mint volume iii) (maybe a external feed) either real world indices or from exchanges, likely the first as they are less likely to be manipulated. I would complete: add "tx Volume"/"tx's" per block. This way the network will be more secure against overflow of small transactions and will protect the minting against monopolizing techniques. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: omgnaro on September 27, 2014, 04:45:33 AM Hey please add reddcoin!
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 27, 2014, 08:34:28 AM ... 2) anti- PoS , ie when coins reach "stake age" they actually reduce instead of increasing ... Or simply they flow back to network instead of being burned. This will ensure both interest rate and unused accounts get "clean" from blockchain. I like this one: Quote 3) Live reactive minting, is instead of a set PoW reward, it actually fluctuates based on multiple variables such as as i) Tx volume ii) Mint volume iii) (maybe a external feed) either real world indices or from exchanges, likely the first as they are less likely to be manipulated. I would complete: add "tx Volume"/"tx's" per block. This way the network will be more secure against overflow of small transactions and will protect the minting against monopolizing techniques. Thanks, i'll definitely look into this Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: RedZeppelin on September 27, 2014, 08:56:14 AM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 27, 2014, 05:58:10 PM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! LOL, yup gives the scammer more coins while having the appearance of legitimacy. :D Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: albert73 on September 27, 2014, 10:22:40 PM I now have daily snapshots of 78 coins Is there a list of which coins you have snapshots of and the dates you took them of? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 28, 2014, 12:23:14 PM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! LOL, yup gives the scammer more coins while having the appearance of legitimacy. :D Have you checked the code on this project ? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 28, 2014, 12:25:38 PM I now have daily snapshots of 78 coins Is there a list of which coins you have snapshots of and the dates you took them of? Yes : A regular update post with the full list of coins would help you to generate interest in this thread. List the coins with their abbreviations (tickers) as well as full names. Snapshot dates for each blockchain , and extra detail can be added later. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 28, 2014, 02:11:39 PM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! LOL, yup gives the scammer more coins while having the appearance of legitimacy. :D Have you checked the code on this project ? Sorry I wouldn't invest with madoff no matter how great the perspective! My time is worth just enough I will post in here to warn people. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/BernardMadoff.jpg Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 28, 2014, 03:11:37 PM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! LOL, yup gives the scammer more coins while having the appearance of legitimacy. :D Have you checked the code on this project ? Sorry I wouldn't invest with madoff no matter how great the perspective! My time is worth just enough I will post in here to warn people. Dismiss out of hand with no research, and no thought. Good strategy. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 29, 2014, 12:03:47 AM 1) Limited redeem time I like this idea cause it give everyone else less possibility to claim and it increases your total % in reality while keeping it low on paper! LOL, yup gives the scammer more coins while having the appearance of legitimacy. :D Have you checked the code on this project ? Sorry I wouldn't invest with madoff no matter how great the perspective! My time is worth just enough I will post in here to warn people. Dismiss out of hand with no research, and no thought. Good strategy. I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 29, 2014, 03:01:01 AM I now have daily snapshots of 78 coins Is there a list of which coins you have snapshots of and the dates you took them of? Yes : A regular update post with the full list of coins would help you to generate interest in this thread. List the coins with their abbreviations (tickers) as well as full names. Snapshot dates for each blockchain , and extra detail can be added later. I will do this asap, havent had much time the past two days. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on September 29, 2014, 05:53:41 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 29, 2014, 08:02:24 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Actually If you had read my posts that were deleted I asked the OP to refute the thread calling him a scammer (I.E. research). rather than doing so he continually deleted my posts asking for such. therefore I have concluded he is in fact a scammer. Pretty simple logic. Even if he is not his actions are to shady to ignore. As I said I have never been scammed. I do do my due diligence. ;) I know it's pretty tough for someone like you to come in late in a thread that has been selectively pruned and form a informed position. So I wasted my time with this post and we will see if it gets deleted. Seems the op gave up trying to delete so that is a good thing. May save some people their hard earned cash. PMing this just in case it disappears. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 29, 2014, 09:14:12 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Actually If you had read my posts that were deleted I asked the OP to refute the thread calling him a scammer (I.E. research). rather than doing so he continually deleted my posts asking for such. therefore I have concluded he is in fact a scammer. Pretty simple logic. Even if he is not his actions are to shady to ignore. As I said I have never been scammed. I do do my due diligence. ;) I know it's pretty tough for someone like you to come in late in a thread that has been selectively pruned and form a informed position. So I wasted my time with this post and we will see if it gets deleted. Seems the op gave up trying to delete so that is a good thing. May save some people their hard earned cash. PMing this just in case it disappears. You'll note that i did refute it with documented proof, however you seem to ignore that completely, which makes your statements false. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 29, 2014, 10:13:12 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Actually If you had read my posts that were deleted I asked the OP to refute the thread calling him a scammer (I.E. research). rather than doing so he continually deleted my posts asking for such. therefore I have concluded he is in fact a scammer. Pretty simple logic. Even if he is not his actions are to shady to ignore. As I said I have never been scammed. I do do my due diligence. ;) I know it's pretty tough for someone like you to come in late in a thread that has been selectively pruned and form a informed position. So I wasted my time with this post and we will see if it gets deleted. Seems the op gave up trying to delete so that is a good thing. May save some people their hard earned cash. PMing this just in case it disappears. You'll note that i did refute it with documented proof, however you seem to ignore that completely, which makes your statements false. You must have done that after deleting all the posts to that thread. Maybe if you quoted me or one of the other posts and linked to your rebuttal it might have gotten read. And if you had done that rather than just deleting every post the link spam would have stopped. And possibly the scammer accusations as well. Now why don't you link to your rebuttal and I (and I'm sure others) will read it. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 29, 2014, 11:16:22 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Actually If you had read my posts that were deleted I asked the OP to refute the thread calling him a scammer (I.E. research). rather than doing so he continually deleted my posts asking for such. therefore I have concluded he is in fact a scammer. Pretty simple logic. Even if he is not his actions are to shady to ignore. As I said I have never been scammed. I do do my due diligence. ;) I know it's pretty tough for someone like you to come in late in a thread that has been selectively pruned and form a informed position. So I wasted my time with this post and we will see if it gets deleted. Seems the op gave up trying to delete so that is a good thing. May save some people their hard earned cash. PMing this just in case it disappears. You'll note that i did refute it with documented proof, however you seem to ignore that completely, which makes your statements false. You must have done that after deleting all the posts to that thread. Maybe if you quoted me or one of the other posts and linked to your rebuttal it might have gotten read. And if you had done that rather than just deleting every post the link spam would have stopped. And possibly the scammer accusations as well. Now why don't you link to your rebuttal and I (and I'm sure others) will read it. It's in the NoirShares thread where it belongs, and i wont apologize for deleting stuff that does not belong here, similarly they made at least 5 threads on the matter, was i to now patrol the forum looking for those threads? I responded In the NRS thread and people independently verified what i said, some agreed some did not. Either way, this thread is for XUC and posts not relating to it are just not welcome, i dont like moderating and you'll notice that some people i did moderate, i sent PMs telling them why i deleted their posts. Let's stay on track in this thread and if you have questions about the accusations and my response, it's all there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770744.0 that is thread with the people i am answerable to. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Hueristic on September 29, 2014, 11:26:22 PM I know rite! I've never been scammed. :) LOL .. Experienced traders know what that means. Actually If you had read my posts that were deleted I asked the OP to refute the thread calling him a scammer (I.E. research). rather than doing so he continually deleted my posts asking for such. therefore I have concluded he is in fact a scammer. Pretty simple logic. Even if he is not his actions are to shady to ignore. As I said I have never been scammed. I do do my due diligence. ;) I know it's pretty tough for someone like you to come in late in a thread that has been selectively pruned and form a informed position. So I wasted my time with this post and we will see if it gets deleted. Seems the op gave up trying to delete so that is a good thing. May save some people their hard earned cash. PMing this just in case it disappears. You'll note that i did refute it with documented proof, however you seem to ignore that completely, which makes your statements false. You must have done that after deleting all the posts to that thread. Maybe if you quoted me or one of the other posts and linked to your rebuttal it might have gotten read. And if you had done that rather than just deleting every post the link spam would have stopped. And possibly the scammer accusations as well. Now why don't you link to your rebuttal and I (and I'm sure others) will read it. It's in the NoirShares thread where it belongs, and i wont apologize for deleting stuff that does not belong here, similarly they made at least 5 threads on the matter, was i to now patrol the forum looking for those threads? I responded In the NRS thread and people independently verified what i said, some agreed some did not. Either way, this thread is for XUC and posts not relating to it are just not welcome, i dont like moderating and you'll notice that some people i did moderate, i sent PMs telling them why i deleted their posts. Let's stay on track in this thread and if you have questions about the accusations and my response, it's all there https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770744.0 that is thread with the people i am answerable to. So I ask for a link to your rebuttal and you point me to a thread with 27 pages? WTF! Looks like you don't have a rebuttal and are just trying to act as if you do. And you never responded nor pm'd me when you deleted my simple request for a rebuttal. Which I am STILL waiting on! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Magic8Ball on September 30, 2014, 01:39:26 AM This is actually just a new coin with 1% premine which airdrops on some of the existing coins in various ratios. Unless the scheme is such that the original coins have to be burned to get the new ones I do not see much future. All the successful chains will just continue running as usual and they will see as some free coins to sell. Quite true. I have been thinking of ways to make it interesting and so far i am considering 1) Limited redeem time 2) anti- PoS , ie when coins reach "stake age" they actually reduce instead of increasing 3) Live reactive minting, is instead of a set PoW reward, it actually fluctuates based on multiple variables such as as i) Tx volume ii) Mint volume iii) (maybe a external feed) either real world indices or from exchanges, likely the first as they are less likely to be manipulated. Burning is the only way to go, it will make sure that all those who get it are actually committed. Its just free coins otherwise. Project is somewhat interesting, but I think its too immature and this version will not be anything. Will still keep an eye out to see how it fares. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 30, 2014, 01:43:53 AM This is actually just a new coin with 1% premine which airdrops on some of the existing coins in various ratios. Unless the scheme is such that the original coins have to be burned to get the new ones I do not see much future. All the successful chains will just continue running as usual and they will see as some free coins to sell. Quite true. I have been thinking of ways to make it interesting and so far i am considering 1) Limited redeem time 2) anti- PoS , ie when coins reach "stake age" they actually reduce instead of increasing 3) Live reactive minting, is instead of a set PoW reward, it actually fluctuates based on multiple variables such as as i) Tx volume ii) Mint volume iii) (maybe a external feed) either real world indices or from exchanges, likely the first as they are less likely to be manipulated. Burning is the only way to go, it will make sure that all those who get it are actually committed. Its just free coins otherwise. Project is somewhat interesting, but I think its too immature and this version will not be anything. Will still keep an eye out to see how it fares. Convincing people to burn is a huge hurdle and you are right, this is an immature idea, but it takes shape everyday as i get feedbck from community members and the occasional dev says a word or two. for now i have focused my energy on getting all the necessary snapshots and mapping them, once that is done i can start tinkering with all the ideas that have passed through since most are modifications to tx behavior. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Wh1teKn1ght on September 30, 2014, 04:44:14 AM can you add AsiaCoin to the list of coins? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=595999.0
and FlutterCoin?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752630.0 Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on September 30, 2014, 07:44:20 PM can you add AsiaCoin to the list of coins? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=595999.0 and FlutterCoin?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752630.0 I will post on 1 September a list of coins and update everyday, it will be available in the OP. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 01, 2014, 01:02:53 AM :D
I think the whole balances issue has been exhausted. Your security concerns have all been addressed even by people not related to this project. You keep repeating the same thing that has at least 3 or 4 answers not even by me, even from a proven project that used the same method. Your arguments are flawed in that they are based in hypotheticals and what ifs. If you have genuine concern , you are free to peruse the OPEN source code at will in a few days. I deleted URSAY's post by mistake, but this will be my position from now on, seeing as you are free to partake or to not. the repeated posting of questions already answered just clutters the thread. However if you have a genuine security concern that has not been addressed yet then i am all ears. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 01, 2014, 08:12:13 AM Animecoin, XLC , Carboncoin , Megacoin , karmacoin
added to list, for full proposed list of coins see the first post. Additionally, the snapshot period has been increased from a few hours to the whole day on the 15th. Some of the coins have some serious problems and i am not sure if the developers are aware, i left my server running daemons for three days onbly to find that some of them had not synced, stuck at some block or the other. the issue most prevalent in the quick investigation i did was HUGE forking issues some coins had as many as 4 forks and syncing was impossible as it would keep jumping between chains. If there are coins i cannot sync automatically, i will not waste time, i will simply make a community request for a copy of the blockchain. As i am working on this alone, please be patient if i dont respond immediately to coin requests.. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on October 01, 2014, 10:45:01 AM can you add AsiaCoin to the list of coins? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=595999.0 and FlutterCoin?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752630.0 I will post on 1 September a list of coins and update everyday, it will be available in the OP. 1st October ? This is a large project and a lot of developers and resources would be needed to get it off the ground. Why ? Because the only really viable way forward is to burn dormant altcoins to get the new coin. The new coin would need to be very attractive to do that, and therefore would need serious backers. However, I can forsee serious rewards for success. The 1% premine would be a mistake, because it would send the wrong message and poison the whole project. With respect, I don't think it's viable without a big team and resources, but it's a great idea. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: gjhiggins on October 01, 2014, 02:17:35 PM for full proposed list of coins see the first post. I processed and sorted the list, removing several duplicates and resolving some apparent ambiguities. If further additions could be appended to the list in the first post, that would help me keep this post up to date. For convenience, I've added hyperlinks from the coin name to either a bcttalk thread or a cctalk thread. I've also created a hyperlink from the trading symbol to the corresponding (public, unique) DOACC entry (in order to keep the posting size inside the limit, the DOACC link is frustratingly but necessarily mediated via a more concise Minkiz db id).
“No row was found for one() ['Ncoin', 'NX']” <- this one defeated me, any hints? HTH Cheers Graham Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 01, 2014, 03:50:06 PM can you add AsiaCoin to the list of coins? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=595999.0 and FlutterCoin?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752630.0 I will post on 1 September a list of coins and update everyday, it will be available in the OP. 1st October ? This is a large project and a lot of developers and resources would be needed to get it off the ground. Why ? Because the only really viable way forward is to burn dormant altcoins to get the new coin. The new coin would need to be very attractive to do that, and therefore would need serious backers. However, I can forsee serious rewards for success. The 1% premine would be a mistake, because it would send the wrong message and poison the whole project. With respect, I don't think it's viable without a big team and resources, but it's a great idea. Thanks for the correction and i do agree with your points, completely. However the one thing devs seem to all agree to on this forum, is a policy of non-cooperation. The few that did or tried to, ended up with a much larger mess. I wont set lofty goals for this project as my skills have a limit, just like my free time. I can do the following 1) Create a sane blockchain 2) Map all balances at appropriate rates 3) Implement a few changes (maybe 2 or all three previously mentioned) As for the 1 % premine, as you said, this is a huge project....what then is my incentive to put in all that work? Burning is a great idea to peg/force a value, however, not many people would participate short of the devs stating that the mapping is effectively a chainswap and the old chain is now invalid (fat chance) Secondly, that option limits the coins that can be used since some of ones with active users are far from dormant. Also keep in mind that a lot of people simply are unwilling to part with their coins as they find it hard to swallow that their coins are dying. They'll resist hoping for a miracle...lol. Also this will mean only burned coins from that blockchain will count. But in order to make things interesting and provide what little incentive i can guarantee, i will make a proposal. Note, this proposal can be made a necessity for certain coins as i am getting complaints about some of their backgrounds. I invite devs and or communities of dormant/dying coins to burn their coins and accept this as an effective chainswap. The most immediate advantage to doing so is that the coins price snapshot will be doubled, effectively giving you more for your coins than you would get by sticking to the dead/dying chain. This offers a way out for the community and for the dev if he/she is failing to maintain or innovate for the chain. Should the community or dev approach me here publicly, that would be most ideal. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 01, 2014, 03:51:49 PM for full proposed list of coins see the first post. I processed and sorted the list, removing several duplicates and resolving some apparent ambiguities. If further additions could be appended to the list in the first post, that would help me keep this post up to date. For convenience, I've added hyperlinks from the coin name to either a bcttalk thread or a cctalk thread. I've also created a hyperlink from the trading symbol to the corresponding (public, unique) DOACC entry (in order to keep the posting size inside the limit, the DOACC link is frustratingly but necessarily mediated via a more concise Minkiz db id).
“No row was found for one() ['Ncoin', 'NX']” <- this one defeated me, any hints? HTH Cheers Graham WOW, great work, thank you very much!!! Please check your PM. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: salsacz on October 01, 2014, 04:20:35 PM you added NTX but didn't add NXT?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 01, 2014, 05:06:33 PM you added NTX but didn't add NXT? noone asked me to add it. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: hack_ on October 01, 2014, 05:23:15 PM I am assuming you are using a variant of abe to get your balances what about non BTC based coins?
Oh, and what about coins without open source code? Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: semidead on October 01, 2014, 05:25:00 PM What about doubloons coin? 8)
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: zercrypt on October 01, 2014, 10:14:17 PM please add ltcd and html
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Majormax on October 01, 2014, 10:43:32 PM As for the 1 % premine, as you said, this is a huge project....what then is my incentive to put in all that work? That is the error most devs make. They take their reward upfront. This often kills the goodwill of the coin. It is a leap of faith. The community takes that leap as well. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 02, 2014, 03:03:31 AM As for the 1 % premine, as you said, this is a huge project....what then is my incentive to put in all that work? That is the error most devs make. They take their reward upfront. This often kills the goodwill of the coin. It is a leap of faith. The community takes that leap as well. OK, let's leap @ 0.5% Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 02, 2014, 05:27:26 AM Due to the sheer work involved, laziness and other matters,
Coins whose source code is 1) Closed 2) Not where the link leads 3) Does not build Will be skipped. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: milly6 on October 02, 2014, 03:30:00 PM release date?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: ljglug on October 02, 2014, 03:52:16 PM Please add：
information coin /ITC Thank you！ Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on October 02, 2014, 04:11:21 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 [MOD NOTE: Removed off-topic image] Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: neutraLTC on October 04, 2014, 06:42:59 PM incognitocoin is alive and well, new thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=714716.0
thanks Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: URSAY on October 04, 2014, 07:48:39 PM When can I give you the private keys to ALL THE COINS. I eagerly wait for this beautiful moment. OH PLEASE.
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on October 06, 2014, 05:16:03 AM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 [MOD NOTE: Edited text size and removed off-topic image] Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Frangomel on October 08, 2014, 11:34:19 AM Please remove freshcoin, I am one of its developers, we have great plan...if somebody wants read it...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=670939.0 and marketing plan http://docdroid.net/hms3 so remove freshcoin from your list please! Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on October 08, 2014, 05:38:34 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 [MOD NOTE: Edited text size and removed off-topic image] Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on October 14, 2014, 08:11:48 PM Awww....what happened to Barwizi's next scam??
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 15, 2014, 03:08:46 AM A great majority of the coins do not compile from source or do not sync , a revised list will be posted later
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: gjhiggins on October 15, 2014, 10:08:19 AM A great majority of the coins do not compile from source or do not sync , a revised list will be posted later I'd be hugely appreciative of a tersely-annotated version of the original list that indicates which ones won't compile / sync. From my perspective as a metadata nerd, that information would be very useful. Cheers, Graham Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: doof on October 21, 2014, 10:35:03 AM Is this wallet out yet? Is it open source?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on October 21, 2014, 11:00:29 AM Is this wallet out yet? Is it open source? The implementation in the original format is not viable at all, issues were cited over the % that will actually be circulated and during the preparation for snapshots, more than half of the first 200 coins had either sync or build issues, some actually depend on bootstrapping. I have since then focused on the code rather than distribution. For now the code is closed as it is incomplete. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on October 21, 2014, 08:33:58 PM BARWIZI IS A SCAMMER! BEWARE!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789290.0 Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Wu Zen on October 22, 2014, 03:13:34 PM good idea, but how can i download the wallet?
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: barwizi on December 11, 2014, 02:36:34 AM One of the hurdles has been surpassed.
http://pts.cubeconnex.com/wiki/index.php?title=Secure_Asset_Import I am still working on this, although, there have been some pretty radical changes to the concept. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: lajz99 on July 21, 2015, 10:53:06 PM Another Barwizi project I helped bring to its demise. You're welcome.
A true Hero indeed. Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: Tomjames on November 15, 2017, 09:47:28 AM Good idea , keep the list growing
Title: Re: Notice:: PROJECT X, Come Join the Movement Post by: sidhujag on November 15, 2017, 02:40:19 PM Good idea , keep the list growing Get lost troll |
