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The bible refers to our Conscience several times.  Paul refers to it in Romans.  It is something we can destroy, just as we can destroy our bodies.

"Even when Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, instinctively follow what the law says, they show that in their hearts they know right from wrong. They demonstrate that God's law is written within them, for their own consciences either accuse them or tell them they are doing what is right."  Romans 2:14-15

Conscience is not an instinct, it is a knowledge, a consciousness put within us by God, it is one of the things that differentiates us from animals. Though the conscience cannot act, it can and does judge. It takes our thoughts, words, deeds and motives and compares them with the moral law of God, with the will of God. Then it passes its judgment.

The Bible is teaching that everyone, even if they've never heard about God's Word, knows they should act according to God's morality by nature. The 18th-century German Philosopher Immanuel Kant said, "Two things fill the mind with ever increasing wonder and awe, the more often and the more intensely the mind of thought is drawn to them--the starry heavens above me and the moral law within me." (Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, 1781).

There is a "law" or a "morality" operating in everyone's own heart either accusing us or telling us we are doing what is right. Because of this, we are responsible to do what is right and to avoid what is wrong or sinful, and when we violate our conscience, we feel guilt.

The two things of interest that were noted:

a)How this separates us from animals

b)How it is evidence that there is a Creator.  (Creation is another big one).


However, our own sin (evil) can lead us to deny the above.

A person is strong enough that he can talk his conscience down. He can convince himself that his conscience is a lie. As long as there is no catastrophe in his life that causes him to become weak, he can convince himself that his conscience is wrong. "There are no atheists in the foxholes."

This is part of the reason that, when a Christian and an atheist face off, the atheist usually winds up becoming angry. After all, he has to fight 3 things. He has to fight his conscience that is trying to push through all his lies. He is trying to fight the words of the Christian that are going against what he has convinced himself of. And, if the Christian uses the Bible in the debate, the Holy Spirit gets into the fray and tries to straighten the atheist out for his own good.

The atheist often loses it and becomes angry, or he becomes more or less of a blubbering idiot, something like Decky.

So, don't give up in your attempts to reach the atheist. But be gentle. After all, we are trying to save them from destruction, mostly self-destruction. And keep in mind that we are not trying to save them for ourselves. Rather, we are trying to save them for God, like ambassadors for Him. So, be gentle and patient with them.

The strongest atheist is the one that remains firm in his false beliefs in the face of the three witnesses (mentioned above) against him. Don't become irritated with him. Rather, step back and give him what he is asking for. Gently turn him over to God. If God can't persuade him, are you going to be able to?

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The conclusion was interesting.  How is the conscience going to win, I ask?   In that, the person will finally yield?  That is true, but, many also refuse to yield.  However, it is not without a cost. 

What is interesting is to see how people's behaviour and even their well being gets affected by ignoring their conscience.

"Even when Gentiles, who do not have God's written law, instinctively follow what the law says, they show that in their hearts they know right from wrong. They demonstrate that God's law is written within them, for their own consciences either accuse them or tell them they are doing what is right."   Romans 2:14-15

YOUR CONSCIENCE IS SORT OF LIKE AN INTERNAL SECURITY SYSTEM. If you or someone else you know or see attempts to do something that would hurt you or violate you, or cause someone else harm, this security system sounds an alarm! Your conscience sends you a message of warning.  It may be:

    Caution
    Fear
    Doubt
    Guilt


You may try to turn off your conscience, try to silence it and you may even to some degree become comfortable. Since no one is forced to obey their conscience it will allow people to do what they know is wrong. Some people tell themselves that they're not going to be "old-fashioned" anymore. They're going to adopt a "new morality" and they proceed to make up "new" rules for the game of life. But you know what? They will never be happy because their conscience won't let them. When you offend your conscience you'll always know your cheating, and that you're making up new rules. You're conscience won't buy into it.

Maybe you've said, "I don't care, I'm going to do what I want to do for a change. I'm just going to indulge myself. I don't believe in a conscience anymore!"

Go ahead, try to stifle your conscience, but you'd just as well try to stop breathing by holding your breath. You may pass out, but when you do you'll start breathing again! You can't get rid of your conscience that easily! It's part of you, one of the things that separates you from animals. Your conscience is not going to go away without a fight! And the chances are, its going to win!

Now this was a bit offensive dude.. u sit here preachin god thinking you can talk about me as you have in your second paragraph?

1: I am not a fuckin athiest you fuckin I-D-I-O-T. If you have read any my posts, you know I believe in a far greater thing than you and YOUR religons lies, Your a religious freak cast out from your church.. YOU and YOUR chosen book are liar's, or you would not lie to others claiming I am what you call an athiest. I have never been angry at anyone here ever, I sit at home, my kids see me typing, and never hear a thing.. so tell me, where is this anger?

Blubbering idiot? I'M TYPING YOU FUCKIN I-D-I-O-T!

Next you'll claim I'm shouting.. Nah, again, I'm typing.

See the difference between me and you is you and your book are a sham wi a fuckin red face because NO-ONE wants you!!!!

Me, I produce scientific truths. 

Like the fact I am typing here, not speaking, not shouting, not angry, and cant wait for someone to msg me your ip. Only then will you PRAY with your HEART that I m not initiated into greater mysteries than you.

There is one important aspect of a conscience that you conveniently over-look.
A conscience is what most of us use to determine right from wrong, and truth from lies,  and our own actions based upon our own conscience. Most of us have the ability to know the difference between right and wrong, truth & lies, etc..  and act accordingly and appropriately within societal norms.

Totally agree.. thank fuck am not in that dicks society, cause thats an abnormal one.

There are 3 cheif functions of the conscience:

1). It WATCHES - Romans 2:14-15

Your conscience watches your actions to see if your actions line up with the inner law inside of you.

When you think of what you've done this past week, have your actions matched what you know is right inside of you?

God has placed your conscience in you to help you assess if you are living what you know to be right. Your conscience is watching you. It wants to help you.

I'll stick with the eye of awareness, or all seeing eye, thanks ;)

2). It ACCUSES or AFFIRMS - Romans 2:15, "...for their own consciences either accuse them or tell them they are doing what is right."

Note: The conscience doesn't have a mechanism to cleanse itself. Your conscience can never remove guilt. All it can do is accuse you if you have done wrong. That's why only the blood of Jesus can cleanse us from a guilty conscience, (Hebrews 10:22).

3). It JUDGES OUR ACTIONS - 2 Corinthians 1:12 - "For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you."

Cling tightly to your faith in Christ, and always keep your conscience clear. For some people have deliberately violated their consciences; as a result, their faith has been shipwrecked." 1 Timothy 1:19

Some people pervert or sear their consciences.

The conscience is not indestructible. A person's conscience can be perverted or seared. That's why our consciences must also be informed by God's Word, it's our only perfect guide. Maybe you've heard someone say, "Let your conscience be your guide." Well, that may sound good, but it's very poor spiritual advice.

Some people habitually live in a conscience-searing state. A good example of this is Felix (not the cat!), King Felix in Acts 24:24-27.

Our consciences must be subject to, and trained and cleansed by the Word of God. Tomorrow we're going to look at how to get a clear conscience.

Folks do reck their consciences.  Which is why they end up having trouble telling right from wrong.  One way to do this is as follows:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

...you sleep with another man's wife?
.... have you cheated on your wife?
...told a lie to your kids (assuming you have kids, that is...) ?
...screwed-over a fellow employee....?
....stolen something that doesn't belong to you....?


You can unburden yourself here. I promise your secret is safe here.
You are among friends! We're not here to judge you or condemn you, but offer moral support.  ;D

So, how does one repair a damaged conscience?

Could be from stealing, from divorcing one's spouse, from lying, from just immoral thoughts. 

The conscience is then accusing.  If continually ignored, the voice may get reduced to a whisper.  But, ignored or not, what can be done?

Yep! Guilty conscience.

What do you do when your conscience is shouting, "You're in really big trouble! I feel guilty! I feel defiled!" What can you do? Psychologists say that people everywhere are suffering the effects of guilty, trampled, defiled consciences.

Your conscience can never remove guilt; all it can do is accuse you if you have done wrong. It can do nothing to help you! Someone has said that "A guilty conscience is a hell on earth and points to one beyond." An accusing conscience points out the guilt of our sin. Maybe years ago you stole money from your mom or you had an abortion or you've been unfaithful to your spouse. It doesn't take long before you're living as a prisoner of guilt and shame.

The Greek philosopher Seneca said, "Every guilty person is his own hangman."

that's why you need Jesus, He removes sin.

What separates us from animals is the holy spirit.

Problem with guilt is once you've done your time you know what the fuck it's sayin, do you have the experience here to know what your saying?

Oh, WOW! I was wondering if you could ever get to a point. And you seem to have done it here. I appreciate you for that.

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I did? Phew.. no, you'll try responding using the word god, try sayin I

Problem is that any little piece of guilt, if not washed away in the blood of Jesus, is enough to condemn the guilty person to an eternity of Hellfire.

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True. and not only a separation from animals, but even life itself. I mean, any of us that loses the Holy Spirit completely for some reason will die. The animals, since they don't have the Holy spirit, show that they can live without Him, because that is what they are doing already.

The point? Don't resist the Holy Spirit to the point that you force Him out. If you do, you will die.

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Can you think for yourself without referencing the Bible?

don't you quote what you believe are authoritative?

And, did you not learn much from books - written by others?


Actually, the conscience is something we can (and do) observe - as has been seen by some of the posts.  The Bible offers the missing information on it.

The problem with the Bible is it's not authoritive.

But, a few problems for you:

01)You have not shown that the Bible is not authoritative.

02)I am not just quoting the Bible.  One can see the sky, and one can see our conscience at work.  I used the Bible as a further reference.  If I mention an animal that exists, and then quote the Bible as a reference to it later, you get upset.  Why?  Because you have a problem with the Bible.

03)The why of which brings us to this - you have a problem with your own conscience.  Now, you may deny this, much as a blindfolded man may deny the events occurring around him.  But, time will resolve this.

Romans chapter 1 also describes the effects of a damaged conscience.Denying the existance of the Creator, for one.

So again, what can be done to repair the Conscience?

I can't prove a negative.You, however, have to show that the Bible is an expert source of psychology.

Smile all ye want ya bass, if am no fuckin guilty then am no takin part in any blood orgy ya fuckin weirdo.. Jesus has been dead for 2000 years, and since his demise, nae cunt's washed in his blood, FACT.

Actually - it would be easier to prove the Bible is not authoritative, if it is indeed not, then to prove it is authoritative, even if it is.

You can run from your conscience, but, you cannot hide forever, guy.

But, it can be repaired.  Just - you and I cannot do it.

That's easy......
The Bible isn't authoritative!

Prove me wrong,it's the ol' Empty Bucket analogy.....
Everyone can see the bucket is empty, but you want us to believe the bucket is full.....

Prove the empty bucket is full.....

( We won't be holding our breath in anticipation....)

The (so called empty) bucket is full of air.

Actually - it would be easier to prove the Bible is not authoritative, if it is indeed not, then to prove it is authorititative, even if it is.

The more errors found, the less authoritative it is.

Easier than examing ever passage to find no substantial fault with it.

Feel free to start a thread if you think you can back those claims.  It may not be out of place for you to have introduced the Bible in that thread, but, it is likely that it would distract from the subject of the thread.

You don't debate well. You just ask nonsense questions...and eventually say "Go read the Bible."...............Boring.

This thread in particular is more about discussing the facts of conscience.

If I said the sun is shining, what is there to debate about?  Same with the conscience.  We all have it, we all damage it.


Now, when I post the cure, I can see there being a debate about that.

Problem is that our spiritual standard is very far from God's standard, moral, ethic and Conscience.
It seems that people created their own standard, moral, ethic and Conscience, so we don't have any more absolute valuers (from God) but relative, changeable values, and this is the problem in today's society.
Everybody replace God with self proclaimed ''freedom'' and human rights and this create chaos and confusion in society.
Without God there is no ideal world with absolute values to guide us. 

!: Human right's were created by MAN to make him believe.. they were required..????

2: I clearly (thanx 2 him upstairs) know wtf is what..

3:Conscience is not an instinct, it is a knowledge: Bull. I am concioous or asleep, take yer pick, god's got nowt tae dae wi it..

4:The Bible is teaching that everyone, even if they've never heard about God's Word, knows they should act according to God's morality by nature.  Wrong. The bible teaches: Go AWAY NASTY MOUNTAIN when your on a plane knowing the engines fell off the wings, and you as a passenger are fucked, nae way oot.

What you'll do is post a whole lot's o' religious bullshit that you can't back-up in any meaningful way, and then demand everyone else prove you wrong.

When you artificially create guilt, you resort to artificial means to cure it. If you are as you are, predisposed to believe yourself "guilty" of something (even though you never did anything to feel guilty about!) you resort to the same bullshit cure that caused you to feel guilty in the first place.

So, if religion something or other isn't the answer, where exactly does guilt come from? Little kids, like 1 year old, often don't seem to feel guilty at all about anything. They have learned to walk, and literally run around naked, parading their bodies without any guilt at all. Yet a mere 20 years later, most of them become highly embarrassed if they are stripped of their clothes in front of other people.

Is it training? Is it because parents and society train them to feel guilt? Is it pain, somehow? Do they realize that they are not strong, and so their embarrassment turns into guilt?

I am not condemning non religious answers here. I suppose I could look up what psychologists have to say. But I am simply looking for an answer here.

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There is artificial guilt as well as real guilt.

it is interesting that driver thinks that if someone murders and rapes, then feels guilty, that it is artificial guilt.  But, I don't think he is alone in this.

He said nothing about the guilt of murder or rape, he is talking about religious nitwits who believe they are born with the sins of man on their backs and then they have to turn to religion to try to fix it.  In other words, he is talking about you.

My conscience is undamaged.  I have nothing to feel guilty about.

Criminals who commit crimes against others should feel guilty for their crimes. No one is disputing that. It's too bad that many sociopaths have no conscience, thus they feel no guilt about anything, but that's another issue.

Feeling guilty because your belief in myths and fairy tales says you should feel guilty even though you've done nothing wrong it just stupid.

Guilt, for example, that comes from murdering someone, or raping someone.Now, of course, any of the above actions can be done, without someone feeling guilty.  As discussed earlier, one can damage one's conscience.

guilt is for the weak.  when i commit murder i get away with it

You come across as one too immature to fathom such things. You want to lump all the things you consider "sin" into one package and have a one-size-fits-all solution that makes all the bad stuff go away.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
I doubt you've ever murdered anyone, nor have you raped, etc.  Probably the worst thing you've ever done is think carnal thoughts about the woman in the next cubical.

Life doesn't work that way, nor does your religious bullshit.

Riddle Me This, Mr.Bitty.....
Having carnal thoughts about your female co-worker in the next cubicle that she knows nothing about, yet you feel guilty...  Who do you ask forgiveness of? Have you committed a "sin"?

If you murder someone, who do you ask forgivness of when you feel guilty of your actions?  Your "creator"?
What happens when the loved-ones of your victim refuse to forgive you?   Do you still go to Hell?

Here me this: you can not spread lies and keep a clear conscience.you know you perpetuate lies.you're not fooling anyone...if you killed someone your guilty !

Absolutely good point. If you lie about anything, part of your subconscious believes the lie itself. Part recognizes the lie for what it is. This produces a contradiction within. Is this contradiction what guilt really is? Is it the contradiction that wears on you, causing cycles of feedback in your brain until your brain can't properly direct your body anymore? Is this the real reason behind why we get old and die... we kill ourselves with lies?

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war is born.  fuck the war.  fight the norm.

Someone's conscience is obviously bothering them.For someone who murdered - what can they do to deal with the guilt that can follow?  Only thing that works is the blood of Christ.

If one has wronged another and suffers a guilty conscience, the only thing that can help is true remorse and possibly seeking forgiveness from the one who has been wronged. Obviously no one can seek forgiveness from a dead person, but possibly showing true remorse and seeking forgiveness from the victim's loved ones might be an option.

This is ABSOLUTELY the GOOD point. Use the guilt you feel, only momentarily. Use it to check up on your life to see that you are doing what is for-a-fact the best you can do. Make corrections to your life as appropriate. Then get rid of the guilt by casting it on Jesus, right along with the wrong that you have done that has sparked the guilt. Move on to better things.

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So, you admit you don't know what to do about such guilt?Hmmmm....Yet millions testify to the effectiveness of the blood of Christ.

Obviously it's you. You have wronged many, but you show no remorse, yet believe your myths and fairy tales absolve you of guilt, but you're just as guilty as you ever were.
But I don't blame You.....

Wrong! A believer in Christ has sinned. He may have guilt. But once he confesses his sin, and accepts the forgiveness of Jesus, then the sin is gone. If the guilt remains beyond the point that it is effective in producing fruits in the life of the person, then the person wasn't really believing in the first place. Remorse is different than guilt.

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By the way, you have been implicitly stating that the Creator exists. As it says in Romans, the knowledge of the Creator is inherent in us - as much as we seek to kill that.

I'm willing to bet you paid good money to have yourself turned into an brainless fool. No one becomes as utterly stupid as you for free. You must have had professional help.

LOL ! (Forgive me.)   :D

Whatever feeds your delusions.
While this is not the best, it is a pretty good definition of your problems....

A delusion, in everyday language, is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. Psychiatry defines the term more specifically as a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.

Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusion

There you go again - whenever you cannot post anything to your defense.Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, that Jesus is LORD

I can only hope that this thread is your way of asking for help with your condition, Mr.Bitty, and I can only hope that you get the help you need.

Reality is not such a bad thing!

Of course, you have done this to others, so, nothing to personally take note of here.  I am sorry for you.Is not my fault you don't want to accept God in your life.

Now, now. Be gentle with him. After all, none of us truly knows what he/she believes way down deep. We are all so deceptive that we deceive ourselves into thinking that we believe all kinds of things that we really do not.

The only reason that some of us, like Mr. Bitty, will be saved, is that God is the one working the salvation. We all have the strength to deny Him. It is only when we do not apply that inner denial strength forcefully enough that we can be saved by the strength of God.

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You should take it very personally. You've had some sort of psychotic break and you can't tell reality from fantasy/ truth from lies.

JeeZ!  You believe the blood of dead people absolve guilt and  snakes can talk and virgins can bear children! 

Sorry for butting in. Let me interject that Jesus was/is the Son of God. He is both God and man. He died and arose from the dead. His God attributes make Him to be able to do all kinds of things that God does. His man attributes make Him to be sympathetic with people from the inside, so that He can save them. Blood is a very big thing. It is know that blood is the very essence of life, simply by observance of what happens when you eliminate blood from a person. How much more when you apply the blood of the Person, Jesus, Who is man so that He can have blood, and God so that He can have strength?

Oh, please, I read the other threads, and your interactions with other folks.  I take seriously their input on dealing with you.

Sometimes with you, Proverbs 26:4 apply, sometimes Proverbs 26:5.   

The trick is knowing the difference.  Not always easy.

Yes,your right,but he is an atheist ,hee doesn't want to believe in God,he doesn't have ears to hear the Word Of God and he doesn't have eyes to see His miracles.

Any sane person would agree there is a Creator.  And, given that, any sane person would agree that the Creator has the power to do that.
The only question is: would he?  That is debatable.Unfortunately, the description of a sane person does not apply to you, eh?

No, they don't. Sane people do not believe in mythical beings. My "case" doesn't require any defense.  I'm not delusional.  I don't have to "defend" reality.

You have already shown by your thoughts on conscience that there is a Creator.You are just in denial - and using the word 'mythical' to try to make your case look good (since you cannot put up an honest defense).One cannot say that the unverse does not show design.
And one cannot take the conscience seriously if one denies the Creator.  Not if they are consistent.

If anything frightens me it is what some religious people does to otherwise mentally well-adjusted people. You are a shining example of the dangers.
In the past I've asked you why you don't believe in Santa Claus, and you could never give an answer. That's because in your delusional state of mind there is no clear reason. According to you, all you need do is have faith, and Santa will become just as real as your "creator". If you actually applied common sense and reason to your Santa beliefs, you'd have to apply the same common sense and reason to your creator beliefs, and your delusions would fall like a house of cards. You have to abandon common sense and reason in everything in-order for your religious beliefs to stand up.  That's what happens when you can't tell reality from fantasy, or truth from lies.  To you a lie is simply something that doesn't fit your religious . You can't definatively state the difference between truth and untruth. You can't afford to apply common sense and reason.

In your mind anything can be real as long as you have faith in it. The reason why you can't post anything to back-up your religious claims is because there is simply nothing there.
I'm surprised you are able to function.  Perhaps you don't. In real life people who can't tell reality from fantasy do not function well in society.
My guess is you are a liar. You don't really believe the bullshit you post on these boards. No one could possibly believe as you and function as a normal member of society.

You believe you were born guilty of something you don't even understand and carry guilt where ever you go, constantly fearing your "creator". A single thought will cause you fear of pissing-off your "creator". You even feel guilty because you may piss-off your "creator" in the future.

If you choose to live that way, that is your choice.

Another lie.  Yet, I fear you may actually believe your own lies.  But your own insecurities on this issue is what keeps egging you on with these discussions.  The thing about these forums is that, you don't like what is posted, you can can choose to ignore it.  Well, it is harder to do if one is insecure.

And then there are your anger issues.  Please don't deny that.  I am not the only one who has born the brunt of that, or has pointed it out.

Whenever I seek to verify something from Scripture, I am sooner or later successful.  It is historically accurate, for example.

In addition, it can be tested.  People's lives are changed in a powerful way in trusting in the risen Jesus that does not happen for those who do not trust.
Conscience is evidence that there is a Creator. Unless you are saying right and wrong are subjective.

Of course this is subjective.It was right to stone adultresses to death once.Do we still think this is the right thing to do? What is also subjective is how you arrived at that conclusion. You could just as easily say, "Conscience is evidence that Mickey Mouse is real" and it be the "truth".

So, how do you determine if conscience is proof of anything?

So, you are saying when it was acceptable, it was right, and when it is not acceptable, it is wrong?So, if it becomes acceptable, it becomes right again?If someone was to ask you why stealing is wrong, or rape, you would tell them what?

Wrong is right. Sensations of the mind. The ultimate seduction. The realm.

When it was acceptable it was considered to be right by the god squad at the time.

I assume the present god squad frowns on such behaviour today.

Which rather begs the question: was god right when he thought stoning adulterers was right and moral?  Or is god right now that he has changed his mind and now thinks stoning adulterers is wrong?

You answer this directly, don't counter with some silly question, don't obfuscate, just tell me when god got this matter right?  Now or in the past?

Actually, did not my questions come first?

But, to answer, biblically, adultery is always wrong.  And, it is deserving of death.  It is not ok now, if that is what you think changed.  What God chooses to do about may have - and there are still consequences to adultery, even if no one else knows but the two involved.

 

Your turn.

Apparently not. If there were a "creator" then it would have "created" everything/everyone equal.
The fact that most people ( certainly not all!) have a conscience and the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, but disagree about the existance of this "creator" is evidence of nothing at all.

Why? Because you say so? Yet the Preamble for the Constitution of the United States indicates this.

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I want to know whether the original penalty was right or not. So in your god's eyes it is always moral to stone adulterers?

Jesus said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.".
Obviously he is demonstrating he doesn't know his ass from his elbow....  no one would cast a stone because the mob was equally guilty of "sin" (generic).

So, you are asking about the penalty, not whether the right or wrong of adultery has changed.

The penalty was just.  Actually, if you and I were to get what we deserve, according to the Bible, it would be alot worse.

But, there is mercy and grace in Jesus.

Allegedly that same "god", who passed the Ten Commandments; who told the Israelites..."Thou Shalt Not Kill.".......commanded them to commit genocide on a massive scale (according to their unverified history).

Not necessarily.  How God chooses to handle evil has varied.

Look.  We have different type of laws, yes?  Which side of the road to drive on - does it matter?   What matters is that we obey the law.  The principle behind the law is the same - the law exists to protect lives.

Adultery is always wrong.  It does not fit into the 'which side of the road to drive'.  Neither does murder.

They didn't care what Jesus said. All they cared about was how they looked in the eyes of the people.

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I think stoning anyone to death for any reason is wrong.So I think your god is evil if it demands such punishment,or your the one who's gona throw the stone first?

But, showing mercy has its place.  Even Joseph, thinking Mary had committed adultery, did not seek to have her stoned.  But, God is making it clear, it is a sin worthy of death.  He lists others also.  In the laws given to Moses, we see how holy God is.   Now, when the women caught in adultery came before Jesus, it is interesting that He did not say that it was wrong to stone her.  But, he saw motive also.  He recognized that they did not care that she was caught in adultery (notice that the man she was with was not brought before him).  They knew the law, but not the heart of God.


But, clear or not - are you saying that one cannot absolutely say anything is wrong?

It's nice to be in the USA or one of the common law countries. We have the freedom to express our opinions and beliefs.

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The peoples that God ordered Israel to destroy, were nations that had been granted much opportunity to do what was right, namely believe in the ONE God rather than the many gods. By destroying them, they were stopped from having any more kids that they would teach their shameful ways, who would go to hell just like their parents were going to. So, there was great justification in what God ordered Israel to do.

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But, since you think you opinion on this is totally subjective, what does it matter?  If subjective, even saying 'god is evil' means nothing.  All you are saying is that you object to it in the same way someone might object to a flavor of ice cream that he does not like.