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Title: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 01:43:28 AM
[Thumbs Up - CONSUMER]

Reputable companies that you can expect delivery on time and to spec and will, when they are in error, provide a reasonable and equitable relief to the customers satisfaction. In no particular order of importance.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Bitmaintech (https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Spondoolies Tech (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Lee Group S5 Antiminer Sales (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934581.msg10247336#msg10247336)

[Thumbs Up - B2B]

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Bitfury (http://www.bitfury.org/products)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Bitmaintech (https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Spondoolies Tech (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/collections/products)


[Thumbs Up - RETIRED & OTHERS]

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Twinfury USB miner  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345294.180) Project Closed / Retired.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  One String Miner  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495536.msg5457850#msg5457850) Some activity on inventory sales but closed or retired. Production of this miner was halted in 2014.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg10497970#msg10497970) Closed / Retired Project.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  BTCGarden (http://www.btcgarden.com/product) Suspected it has closed as they do not have chips to fabricate new miners. No news on anything new being fabricated. Watching for news.


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[Thumbs Down - CONSUMER]

Disreputable companies that have provided late delivery or not to spec and will not or have yet to provided adequate relief to customers when the company is in error. In no particular order of importance. If the company name has a line through it means it has closed, gone bankrupt or otherwise restricted in doing any business due to financial or legal issues or are most likely a straight up scam.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Technobit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358439.msg5089474#msg5089474) Ignoring Emails and Customer Complaints. Some customers have started legal action against technobit.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  ASICMiner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.0) Fraud issues. Friedcat gone missing.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Rockminer (http://shop.rockminer.com/goods.php?id=45) Substantial issue with fraud could be caught up in the Asicminer Friedcat problems.

[Thumbs Down - B2B]  

NONE

[Thumbs Down - RETIRED & OTHERS]

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  KNC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781435) Horrible shipping issue and compensation is slow or non-existent. Moving to self mining model non-consumer or B2B

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  CoinTerra (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=619784.msg6862490#msg6862490) Bankrupt

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Bitmine (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291141.0) Being Sued.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=681965.msg7734528#msg7734528) Hong Kong Police Investigating them for Fraud.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  AMT (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752116.msg8507772#msg8507772)- No Longer Shipping Units. See Link

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  VMC (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=206488.msg8221340#msg8221340) - No Longer in Business. Not shipping units.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Minersource (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=705442.msg7972380#msg7972380) Suspected of major fraud. Website down. No longer responding to emails. Looks they have run off with customer funds and are no longer refunding or shipping units.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  nTek (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579457.0) - No Longer Shipping Units. See Link

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Butterfly Labs  (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/feds-label-bitcoin-miner-maker-butterfly-labs-as-systematic-deception/) - FTC limited them to NO pre-sales. Court date pending

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  HashFast   (http://www.extremetech.com/uncategorized/173772-bitcoin-asic-manufacturer-hashfast-facing-lawsuits-over-alleged-false-advertising-fluctuating-bitcoin-prices)- Forced Bankruptcy! See Link

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Avalon (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=264098.0) - Avalon chip fraud cost the community millions of dollars in lost development. Do not trust this company, they have changed names and are still overpricing inefficient units and chips.


* If you would like to COMPLAIN ANONYMOUSLY about a company feel free to PM me about that company so that your order from that company will not be put in jeopardy. As much as possible we will use posts made by customers with valid complaints posted directly in the hardware and group buy threads.


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[REASONING]

Here is my biased and opinionated guide on purchasing hardware. I am only taking into account which companies have, in my personal assessment, a reputation for delivering on time and to spec without any significant or outstanding customer service issues. This is not a comparative chart it is merely a suggestion for consumers looking for a starting point rather than having to read through all the forums and other media.

As the OP I am willing to move companies in or out of either area given sufficient complaints from customers or sufficient rectification of past indiscretions based sufficient CUSTOMER feedback from those who were injured initially. Feel free to discuss my biased and opinionated ratings in this a new moderated thread. I value the opinions of actual customers over the fabricator in every case. If you are here to troll me I will simply ignore you and delete your bs and move on to the topic at hand. This is a BIASED and OPINIONATED review of the companies still shipping units. If a company remains in the Thumbs Up or Down section I will review customer posts over the week and take a snap shot on the weekend and post their opinions with my editorial comments. This snapshot will look for negative posts for those in the Thumbs Down and positive in the Thumbs Up. Should there be significant changes to the company in how they resolve or fail to resolve issues then moving them from their current category could be warranted.

Please note there are only two categories so you will need to weigh the merits on your own and determine whether or not you would recommend someone trust a company to deliver on time and to specification and will if in error resolve any and all disputes with their customer base. Let me know if I am missing any fabricators far or wide inside or outside bitcointalk remember NO SCRYPT or ALTCOIN. ONLY SHA256 box makers please. Obviously we will just avoid the outright scams that never shipped a unit right? And please make sure to debate vigorously if you feel I am wrong in my opinion. I will change it based on evidence of customer support for the company is fairly universal.

Remember this guide is just the starting point. You can scan the list and agree or disagree and do your own research. I am giving you my best appraisal based on the reading of the bitcointalk forums and other sources. It is not a comparison of companies. It is just meant to give you a starting point especially for new members to source miners. And as always... read the  Caveat Emptor (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=504530.msg5557195#msg5557195) by Gmaxwell and learn any purchase of mining equipment is a crapshoot at best. Good Luck hope it helps you avoid the pitfalls when buying miners.

Oh here is a great rant about ROI.  Some rants about Financial ROI by TheRealSteve (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464496.msg6540642#msg6540642). Although this Rant relates to stick or usb miners it almost seems to mirror the current situation for the home miner attempting to buy now.

Further to mining there are questions regarding cloud or derivative mining contracts. Please review the thread by DrG here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739510.msg8355686#msg8355686


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Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 01:44:12 AM
[UPDATE of Consumer Comments in the Fabricator Threads]

|||| 22.FEB.2015 ||||

Please review latest updates to the new categories. We hope this clarifies some of the issues as companies move toward a B2B model and away from CONSUMER production.

New Categories are implemented.

Thumbs Up Consumer
Those companies that sell both to businesses and consumers and have good standing in the community.

Thumbs Up B2B
Those companies that only sell both to other businesses and NOT to consumers and have good standing in the community.

Thumbs Up Retired/Defunct/Closed/Bankrupt
Those companies that sold both to businesses and consumers and had a good standing in the community before ending their project or development of miners.

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Thumbs Down Consumer
Those companies that sell both to businesses and consumers and have terrible standing in the community.

Thumbs Down B2B
Those companies that only sell both to other businesses and NOT to consumers and have terrible standing in the community.

Thumbs Down Retired/Defunct/Closed/Bankrupt
Those companies that sold both to businesses and consumers and had terrible standing in the community before ending their project or development of miners.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  TECHNOBIT Screen Capture of Support Thread  22 FEB 2015

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/technobit22022015_zpsnaq5u8vk.png

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2015-02-21 11:35:56    Preparation in progress

but no tracking number and when I asked him 6 times ...
Tomorrow when not tracking number so no blah blah but I will ask money back



I agree with you 1000%.
If I do not have tracking id tomorrow, then they have squandered their last chance.
If you want it, then I write here or in the other thread about how what my lawyer said.
It 's enough energy once when one bears the cost.
When I think of it, we do it better then via PM.

Fair enough.
Again thank you all for the patience and understanding.
We are packing @ the moment .
Just a note : DPD representative here Speedy is accepting sendings in saturday until 14:00
Yes, you said the same 10 days back, you would ship my 8 repaired boards "tomorrow", and still nothing shipped. And that's 5 weeks after you receiving them and saying you would ship them back "in a few days". Empty words, as always.

|||| 14.FEB.2015 ||||

Updated OP with new information.

Rockminer is no more. Likely merged or absorbed with AMiner. This seems to be official as their website is now down.


|||| 11.FEB.2015 ||||

This thread is certified Dogie POOP free!

http://images.dogpoopsigns.com/img/lg/K/No-Dog-Pooping-Aluminum-Sign-K-2269.gif

|||| 04.OCT.2014 ||||


[Thumbs Up]



https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif   Spondoolies Releases Hi Res Pictures of the SP20:

As the market becomes increasingly harder for manufacturers to find those willing to buy SPTech keeps the pressure on with the SP20.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Bitmain makes official announcement that they are not affiliated with Minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC.

As concerns grow over Minersource.net and Miner Hosting LLC Bitamain is clear to distance themselves with this group. I suspect there is more to this but it is a good sign for customers that Bitmain is trying not to be involved with known problem companies like this.



[Thumbs Down]

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Technobit continue production of new miners yet is failing to deliver on past orders.

Even though Technobit claimed to halt all other work in lieu of getting the group buy minion boards out they have continued to produce new boards. Customers are still not getting shipments or incomplete shipments.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL gets pulled deeper into the bowels of FTC control.

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.54.0.pdf

A Summary of the Document by ElGrandeJefe



|||| 27.SEP.2014 ||||  


[Thumbs Up]
 

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Asicminer Prisma Brief

ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. Greatly reduces power consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Spondoolies Tech customers see the effort being made.

Clearly the CEO and Tech Support are on the forums. They are responding to questions and giving answers without trying to hide from their obligations.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif BitmainTech continues to keep most of their consumers happy.

Minor things like this often happen. BitmainTech usually ups their game and makes sure shipping issues like this get rectified.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif BTCGarden Looks to new Prototype

BTCGarden is working on a new prototype. Customers happy and waiting to see the product.


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[Thumbs Down]

 
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit.eu

Loshia / Marto74 concerted effort to spam the old un moderated thread has forced this to be a new moderated thread. It goes without saying that there are plenty of people that have been hurt by technobit.eu and their lack of communication to customers with valid questions and complaints coupled with the lies and trolling of the previous thread goes to the very heart of why people should avoid that company. As they continue to add more product lines they have failed to deliver again on promised Minion Group Buy boards to at least 3 customers and these customers do have substantial investments and some have not seen all their product going on 10 weeks since payment.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif AMT Ran off with people's money.

Thanks to opieum2 for the link.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Bitmine delays, no refunds just sad miners who want compensation.  

Nothing changed for Bitmine customers over the week just hurt and pain.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL

#ASKFTC on the 24th of September was quite good and helped consumers learn more about the current receivership that BFL is under.

 Here is a compiled list Here is the full #AskFTC Q&A session regarding Butterfly Labs @ButtCoin https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc (https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc)


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL Signature Campaign  

If you want to help the FTC gather more data on BFL and make the court order receiver a permanent fixture at BFL then spread the word in your sig.

Quote
Fraud BFL questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC.

Again you can call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC do not let SLok, BCP19, Sonny V., Inaba/Josh walk free.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Cointerra customers banding together for a lawsuit

Cointerra should be avoided they still have not refunded and or compensated all their customers.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Black Arrow still not refunding customers  

Black Arrow continue to disappoint customers. Refunds and miners still not being shipped or provided.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif KnC woefully is still not compensating customers

KnC customers continue complaints about 0 compensation. Miner troubles with the Titan.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource FTC complaints being filed

Minersource has been slow to refund and provide adequate answers to questions by consumers for several months now and it is continuing.


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[Delisted Thumbs Up]


Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

Note: Links for threads give reasoning for lack of shipping and potential future projects. These companies could have new offerings in the future.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Twinfury USB miner  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345294.180) Last Post  May 26, 2014  

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif One String Miner  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=495536.msg5457850#msg5457850)Last Post August 18, 2014

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg3441097#msg3441097) Last Post September 23, 2014

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* If I missed a particularly juicy consumer comment or company in the snap shot feel free to PM me the quote from the Hardware / Group Buy or Scam Accusation  sections.

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Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:02:06 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL closed by FTC.

#ASKFTC on the 24th of September was quite good and helped consumers learn more about the current receivership that BFL is under.

 Here is a compiled list Here is the full #AskFTC Q&A session regarding Butterfly Labs @ButtCoin https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc (https://storify.com/fermunation/askftc)

BFL Signature Campaign  

If you want to help the FTC gather more data on BFL and make the court order receiver a permanent fixture at BFL then spread the word in your sig.

Quote
Fraud BFL questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC.

Again you can call 816-292-8316 or #ASKFTC do not let SLok, BCP19, Sonny V., Inaba/Josh walk free.


IMPORTANT PSA for BFL former and current customers:


Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)


More... DON'T FORGET TO #ASKFTC about the BFL debacle.

in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)

You mixed it up a bit, you could not communicate properly with either them or other customers. If you don't understand that, after about 6 of your posts removed where you just advertised Antminers in The Monarch Update thread, that you should stop doing so, and just keep on doing it, well....
Sorry SLok, but you are the one who's got it mixed up; advertising is something you do for a bounty (either getting paid or get goods or whatever...). I simply expressed my good experience as a customer with Bitmaintech and the performance of the Antminer S1 (first) and S3 (later) while my other funds were tied up for almost 8 months at BFL (and got banned permanently after simply answering another customers direct question as to where he could find those Antminers).

Now I do understand that for someone who's involved with BFL it's hard to imagine customers actually being so satisfied that they express their gratitude by simply praising that company for no obvious reason. But sorry: that's not advertising, that's recommending. Don't worry, if you still don't get it just mail your questions to: eljreceiver@spencerfane.com or call 816-292-8316 and #ASKFTC

The shut down of BFL is reaching pretty much every major media venue now... On Forbes.

 Meanwhile, according to FTC attorney Helen Wong, the company’s owners were using company credit cards for personal shopping outings at Nordstroms and Bed, Bath & Beyond; to get massages; go to saunas; and to buy guns. That last one could only be a business expense if the owners were preparing for customers descending on them with pitchforks.

They should have been called Bitfarce machines. Over 20,000 customers ordered them but none had received them over a year later, according to the FTC complaint. In November 2013, Butterfly Labs claimed all the Bitforce machines had shipped but “consumers continued to file complaints about not receiving their prepaid BitForce mining machine,” says the FTC.  (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/09/23/ftc-butterfly-labs-paypal/)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:15:46 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif BitmainTech continues to keep most of their consumers happy

Minor things like this often happen. BitmainTech usually ups their game and makes sure shipping issues like this get rectified.

Bitmain, I received my two S1 upgrade kits today. Awesome job on the quick shipping and being very well packed. The only issue I have is that I didn't receive thermal paste. I'm going to try to find some around town in the morning, but off hand I don't know of any place. Could you send me some? It sucks I won't have them up and running tonight.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:19:57 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif BTCGarden Looks to new Prototype

BTCGarden is working on a new prototype. Customers happy and waiting to see the product.

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

Consumers respond

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

One of antminer alternative solution we are waiting for

Thank you all for your supports.
BTCGarden is working on prototype of new model for the time being. Hope we could bring you the new model soon.

whis what im waiting ... hope very soon , bcoz prisma is out!!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:27:42 AM
 https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif KnC woefully is still not compensating customers

KnC customers continue complaints about 0 compensation. Miner troubles with the Titan.


i still didnt get my titan WTF!

Don't worry, you aren't alone. I'd be surprised if those incompetent fucks at KNC have sent 20 out so far.

bitmain antminer S4 will be shipped since Sept 29. 2TH, 0.69 J/GH, $1450 USD.

https://bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140916100720380cS1tRWd00684

And KnC still owes me a bonus miner worth $5995 (or $1000?)...

You didn't hear?  Those bonus miners were just a joke.  They are never coming.  You can just forget about receiving that.  It's just like how "Plan B, Hash While you Wait" disappeared.  KnC is going to argue the contract was for 1 Neptune and they are not obligated to give the 'bonus' they once contemplated.

Class action against kncminer.com

Have you ordered a KnCMiner Titan or Neptune?
Are you fed up with them and are interested in legal action and possibly a class action?

I'm trying to judge whether a class action suit would be a possible. Can you please state what you had ordered and why you would sue them?

Do you know a good lawyer or are a resident in Sweden? It would be helpful to have a contact there.

For example, I ordered a KnCMiner Titan. I am a consumer and would like to get a refund, because their products are unsafe (fire hazard, no CE marking), they have made false representations (Q2/Q3 delivery, 800Watt), and because they act in direct conflict with their customers (Batch 1 vs Batch 2).

My other thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781435) collects information on replies from authorities and lawyers. Please contribute if you can!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:36:19 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Black Arrow Refunds / Miners had been promised, neither delivered to customer satisfaction

Black Arrow still failing to refund people.

Legal action is definitely possible.
 
This article has some interesting info on suing a Chinese Company from the U.S.- http://www.chinalawb...ted_states.html
 
According to a business lawyer friend of mine, the FTC can request that a Chinese company's funds be frozen while litigation takes place. He also said that U.S. companies and consumers sue Chinese companies often, and that they have decent success.
 
I personally haven't considered it yet, but if someone is willing to organize a class action suit, I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to join.
 
I wish BA understood that all they need to do is tell everyone what is going on, and agree to a good compensation plan. I'm positive this would make many customers happy and willing to wait a bit longer. ( The compensation would need to be at least 3x at minimum, but they have the equipment.)
 
If they don't act soon I'm sure we'll see legal action begin. I just hope BA isn't waiting for that to happen before they start delivering.
 
Just my 2 pennies.
If they were going to boost compensation, they would have done so long ago. It's just a stall tactic to keep people placated.

The minion products are a total loss at this point. All customers have been screwed. It's time for BA to own up to that fact.

I believe that we have already informed our customers of this: We are currently waiting for CE to check the X3. Until completed, no shipment can be made.

We would like to ask forum users to stop flooding the thread with obscene messages.

Thank you for your patience.


Provide refunds to those who have requested them and the obscene messages will surely cease. Until then, you will continue to reap what you have sown.

When will this be completed?  When will my orders be sent?  It's been almost a year now. How did you expect this to have come together in February?  Are we getting some 14nm chips in these for compensation?
The 14nm chips are merely a figment of someone's imagination at this point.

Yes, define obscene.  This is not porn channel.  

Black Arrow should refund, as people say.  Refunds have been promised, not delivered.  Take people's money for this and not return as promised is obscene.

I think BA's SOP is to ignore all refund requests .. at least it feels that way, I requested my refund at the beginning of July and never heard anything.  In fact, they deleted my first two refund request tickets on their support site!  The third one is still there but it has been unanswered.

Really wish I had put my BTC behind KNC the second time through, they never let me down on my first miners.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:38:39 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource FTC complaints being filed

Minersource has been slow to refund and provide adequate answers to questions by consumers for several months now and it is continuing.



You can file a Small Claims Court online against MinerSource. If you have a single X1, then it's probably not worth it. But a larger order would be.


This is my last option.  I just filed my complaint case with the FTC and already have the BBB under review.  I will look into small claims unless we have some collective legal action being undertaken thus far by any others.  I will definitely join if we have any such claim in the works.

Minersource fails to refund then force shipment on this customer.

Well I believe they are banking on the fact that people's orders are small enough that it won't be worth their time suing. Please contact me if you're considering the option of suing Minersource, thank you.

I just received in the mail the Prospero X-1 that I requested a refund on several times over the last several months. It showed up and I said to myself, "Son of a bitch, it's here. I may as well cut my loses and use it." So I took it inside and plugged it in. After plugging it in and setting it to the right pool/worker I noticed it was running very hot. I examined the outside of the box and noticed that the fan was not spinning. I figured, maybe it was being obstructed by something, so I disconnected it and used a paper clip to manually give the fan a little push. It spun around fine, so I figured it must be a fluke and that I should try it again. So I plugged it back in and was immediately greeted by a loud pop and a shower of sparks. I'm repackaging the device now and taking it back to UPS to refuse delivery and have it shipped back to minersource. You now owe me a full refund plus the cost of shipping it back to you. Just be thankful I'm not trying to sue you for personal endangerment.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 04:43:30 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Spondoolies Tech customers see the effort being made.

Clearly the CEO and Tech Support are on the forums. They are responding to questions and giving answers without trying to hide from their obligations.

Personally, I like your direct no-nonsense approach.

The main thing is that the CEO is active right here on the forum... so communication is happening, questions are answered, responses are being made. We've got great tech support right here too.

It's like night and day compared to many other manufacturers.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 06:09:10 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Asicminer Prisma Brief - A New AM Miner for October  

ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. Greatly reduces power consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.

Brief
ASICMiner Prisma is based on a proprietary X48 design for BE200. It greatly reduces power
consumption of the device per GH/s compared to the X24 design.

It takes the same cooling structure and similar form factor as the ASICMiner Tube,
while being even more efficient and compact. Also, we added cgminer support on Raspberry PI.

Spec
Hashrate: 350-370GH/s per hashing unit in normal mode, 1400-1480GH/s per full device.

Power consumption: ~0.67 W/G board-wise. On-wall power consumption relies on PSU
efficiency. (typically 1050-1100 W per full device, 0.75-0.78 W/G)

Size: 35cmx12cmx12cm per full device.

Weight: 7.5kg per full device.

Powering: One 6pin PCI-E plugs per hashing unit.

The hashing units are driven by ethernet controllers. It can also be driven by cgminer on Raspberry PI.
Each ethernet controller or Raspberry PI can run up to 32 units.

Consumer Comments:

These look cool and all, and the Prisma seem to be a more efficient miner than the original Tubes.

All that said, I'm with the others on this one, doesn't seem to be any ROI in sight unless these somehow ship this week, not in October.

Either way, well done FC/AM for continuing to tweak and pump out these new designs at decent rates.  The 14 BTC for the 14 TH/s will never return that amount back(difficulty, PSU costs, import tax costs, shipping costs, cabling costs, cooling/electrical costs etc), but at least they're giving miners a good buying option compared to BFL, KNC, BA, AMT, Cointerra etc.

Great to see FC still pumping out new devices.

In the end you are really betting against difficulty. With the tubes it was a ~7% diff rise for ROI. I haven't calculated it with the prisma, but again it'll be around that level.

With btc not rising/declining recently, I think we may see a much slower rate of rise (even look over the past few months).

I may bite depending on final price.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 07:39:57 AM
 https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Cointerra customers banding together for a lawsuit

Cointerra should be avoided they still have not refunded and or compensated all their customers.

I am glad I found this post. I might join as well.

They have declined to provide warranty support for my machines, does not perform to spec.

I'm interested in joining this lawsuit as well.

Original Post

Hello all,

After reading all of the customer's nightmares on the Cointerra forum about the Terraminer IV, we've decided to take action. We've also received sub-par machines and/or non functioning Terraminer IV's from Cointerra along with, it seems, 50%+ of the customers. If you have been a victim in this false advertising, non-responsive customer/technical service etc.. send me a message and we can include you. We'll keep you posted along the way. Our lawyers have been on this since last week. Feel free to message or email me. We'll be gathering everyone's specifics and getting down to business. What they are doing/have done is illegal and they will not be getting away with it.


Thank you,


J.R.M.
C.E.O
LKC Services, Inc.
web: lkcservicesinc.com
web: locksmithkeycodes.com
web: lkcsupplies.com
web: replacemyremote.com
web: etownshop.com
email: jmorrison at locksmithkeycodes dot com


More Customer Complaints:

April 4th Requested Refund after email from Cointerra.
April 4th "Ellis" replied request received and it would be "2-4 weeks to process"

May 21st Received "options" email, immediately requested refund and status.
June 30, sent email requesting refund status.
Aug 6th (7 days later), "Laura" from support said they were "processing refunds" and I was "still on the list"

July 2nd Received "zendesk" email "assisting me with my refund process" offering the mining contract, requested refund and status.
July 2nd Received "notified our finance department" and "Richard" closed the ticket.  Requested refund and status

July 9th, got mailchimp email "CoinTerra Refund Status Update" which stated it was scheduled to be processed on 07/29/2014

Aug 6th, sent email requesting refund status.

To date, no reply nor refund.

Status Update
=========

Aug 13th, sent email to jc@cointerra.com referencing this thread
Aug 13th, sent another email to support, referencing my #####, asking status and refund.
Aug 15th, "jc@cointerra.com" replies stating "setbacks in processing"
Aug 18th, "jc@cointerra.com" replies "escalated up your email" and "slated to be refunded in the next batch"

Sept 22, sent email to "jc@cointerra.com" asking for status and refund.

To date, no refund.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 12:08:24 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Bitmine delays, no refunds just sad miners who want compensation.

Nothing changed for Bitmine customers over the week just hurt and pain.

Has anyone gotten a refund?  Was that just a another lie by Bitmine and Giorgio Massarotto?  I mean seriously can anyone tell me if this is a valid company or a big scam?  They don't respond to emails or phone calls.  They are never at work and of course no machines or refunds given.  I'm truly screwed because I used my savings to buy a machine from them and now I have nothing.  They write on their website why we should trust them but it has almost been a year since sending money to them and I have nothing.  Bitmine and other companies like Bitmine is why less and less people are going to trust Bitcoin.  I have already given up on Bitcoin just because of this and now out $6000.  I hope that they get sued and they get shutdown since they are still "selling" a product that they have yet to produce and/or refund multiple customers.  This is a warning to all that want to buy from Bitmine....DON'T DO IT or you will end up like me.  Broke and wished I hadn't done it.  What a world we live it...and then people wonder why we can't trust each other.  Shame on you Giorgio Massarotto...you truly are a clown!

Basically same story here.  I ordered in Nov 2013 and have been asking for a refund for several months now.  They have ignored my emails and I have even asked to have my order value switched to cloud hashing but my emails are completely ignored.  Living in North America I feel pretty helpless against this scamming company.  I'm only out $3500 but fuck this bitcoin shit.  I was willing to take a small gamble on mining and understand I would have basically lost that bet even if they delivered within a reasonable time frame but to be outright scammed is disgusting to say the least.

I hope Karma shoves a great big chainsaw up their collective assholes, they truly deserve it.

STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM BITMINE, NOTHING BUT A SCAM OPERATION!!!!!

To take a quote from the BA thread.

RETURN OUR MONEY


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 02:03:11 PM
WILL IT ROI or NOT ROI?

That is the real question consumers want the answer to at this point beyond the will they scam me or not.


There are growing concerns from all miners that 'ROI' could be hard or impossible to achieve by even the most reputable companies like AM, BitmainTech or SpondooliesTech. Make sure you invest more time in calculating potential returns before making any purchase from companies on the Thumbs Up list.

Sample of Debates on "Value":

This goes on in nearly every fabricator thread between Fabricator Fanboi's. What is really funny is the same people argue both sides in opposite threads. Pffft... funny. ;D but seriously home mining at this point is pretty much not a viable option.

why bother pay 14.9 BTC for these when they can only produce like 9-10 BTC ?

So I take it you have a magic crystal ball too?

Mine says these can easily break even with cheap electricity.

lol, you are a joke

even with free electricity they won't ROI.remember they will start shipping in at least 2 weeks from now, you need to pay import tax in your country,and you also have to buy PSUs, cables etc.
you have all these for free ?

If you have to pay 25% import tax you are automatically disqualified from mining, sorry I had to break the news to you. And yes many people have free psus/cables but you can always buy cheap server psus for $25/kw.

Quote
let's run a small simulation assuming everything will be in our favor, the small miner:

http://s30.postimg.org/yfdpieqh9/asic_tube.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/yfdpieqh9/)

-only 15 % diff increase (which we all know will be much higher)
-14 TH/S
-free electricity

you will still be in a negative -7.7 BTC in more than 1 year from now on.after 1 year 14 th/s will be worthless

If you've been following the difficulty you would know that the growth rate is slowing down not increasing and it's less than 15% average. The low btc rate will only add to the slowing.

Even in your unrealistic scenario where difficulty growth stays constant at 15% you can still ROI because the actual price of the 14TH is clearly 15btc not 23btc.


Same Debate Different Fabricator Thread on "Value":

So you now admit that you were trolling and talking rubbish about competitors in their thread while praising Spondoolies?

Praising SP-Tech, maybe, but talking rubbish no. Since you refuse to show some examples I am sure that you, as an AM shareholder, have a different way of digesting the reality and the facts when presented to you and that's why you see it as talking rubbish. Until you will present some evidence of talking rubbish your statements are worthless for me.

I wasn't praising AM. In fact, the information I provided showed that the SP35 would be the most valuable miner if all delivery times where immediate, network hash rate was static, BTC price was static and cost of electricity was static. It also showed that the SP20 would be forth, with the S3+ B9 second and an AM Tube in third place. As it stands, the SP20 is just poor value. That's just how it is and nothing you or I say will change that. Only Spondoolies can fix it.

Then why are you so shy to present yourself as an AM shareholder before giving mining advices? Wouldn't it be fair for everyone to know that you have a biased opinion just like you accuse me of having?

Voice of Reason on Value:

Sorry but I paid good money for my magic crystal ball and I'm not about to give away prophecies for free.

But anyways here's a scenario where these could turn a profit: http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=29829733124&dcosts=650&diff_mincrease=15&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=
1480000&diff_mincreasedecrease=4&btcusd=400.11&dpowcon=1100&btcusd_
mincrease=2&pcost=0.05&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=2&action=calc

I think your first line is far closer to the truth of any ROI calculations than the link :)

Nobody knows how long it'll take for these to ROI (if ever) simply because nobody knows what's going to happen to USD/BTC exchange (if calculating ROI by fiat), nor the difficulty (if calculating ROI by either fiat or BTC).

But with the link in place, which is a highly optimistic estimate, there's specifically the issue of the difficulty.  Right now it suggests break even by 2015/06/13.  However, the next difficulty jump is in just 3 days.. (which is probably about as fast as you could get these sent your way if they even shipped right now), so click the 'next estimate' button, re-calculate, and hey presto... no more break even.

Additionally, if you bought $650 worth of Bitcoin right now at ~$400/BTC, you'd get 1.625BTC.  According to the original calculation, it fizzles out after 2015/12/10, having given 2.44433BTC in revenue, or 0.81933BTC profit.  At that time, the exchange is $833/BTC, so fiat profit would be $682.50.  On the other hand, that 1.625BTC would at that time be worth $1,353, giving a $703.60 profit.
( It's actually a bit worse for the harware, as this excludes operating costs. )

So not only does that scenario seem doomed to fail due to the realities of the impending difficulty increase, it's doomed to fail because you'd be better off buying and holding the BTC.

As much fun as these calculators are for giving lower/upper bounds based on some numbers one plugs in, they're still inferior to a proper crystal ball  ;)

( The above is not a commentary on whether or not these will ROI - I'm with jimmothy on that one, get your own crystal ball. )

this guy must be very dumb or be working for friedcat.  ;D  which one is it ?
Neither - he's just handing out a healthy dose of reality; people asking about ROI need to do their own calculations/guesstimates.  His initial statement holds true, regardless... even if it never ROIs, it never ROIs faster than anything else out there due to the favorable price/GHash and W/Ghash.  Or is that slower... hmm.. brainhurt.


Notes from TheRealSteve:

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While the basic concepts (and some derivatives I didn't touch on in there, like mining vs holding, mining+periodical selloff vs mining+holding, etc.) apply to the big boys as well, I feel it does the current 'discussion' (antminer S4 vs AsicMiner Tube/Prisma vs cloud hashing .. there's probably more) a bit of a disservice by not delving more deeply into the more intricate parts;

For StickMiners, for example, the hashing performance vs price is generally so poor, that the energy efficiency vs hashing performance is a moot issue.  For the big boys, to those who have the physical hosting, energy contracts, etc. in place, it is quickly becoming one of the primary deciding factors, along with things like depreciation, RMA turnaround, etc.  Others would also certainly be more qualified to write an eloquent post on that (although I feel there should already be one out there).  Though if I had to summarize for the general audience, I'd certainly agree that 'home mining' of Bitcoin, for net positive financial ROI, is dead for anybody who doesn't score a free miner and/or doesn't have to pay for power.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on September 27, 2014, 02:27:56 PM
Forgot about AMT in there, the village idiots version of BFL complete with its own Josh ;)

http://amtminers.wordpress.com/ all the threads opened about them are referenced in the page.   


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 27, 2014, 02:53:14 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif AMT Ran off with people's money failed to deliver most of orders taken in by the company

Thanks to opieum2 for the link.


Forgot about AMT in there, the village idiots version of BFL complete with its own Josh ;)

http://amtminers.wordpress.com/ all the threads opened about them are referenced in the page.  


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: btcrising on September 27, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
What do you think of SHA hashlets?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Unacceptable on September 27, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
What do you think of SHA hashlets?

Not much of anything related to sha mining is going to turn a profit  :(

Diff is too high (for both "hashlets" & "at home"),power consumption is too high for "at home" miners & most importantly the cost of electricity in residential settings is too high,in most cases.

If your electric rates are more than .08 cents per kwh,your profit margins are going to be very thin.You really need kwh rates of .02-.04 to compete with the massive mining farms that have taken over the network  :(

The ONLY saving grace in "at home" mining could be the price of BTC....I feel it needs to get to around $800 or above to make it feasible,at least for "at home" miners....& that's only for few more months even then.

So,if you think the BTC price is going to increase,you could justify the "gamble" MAYBE  ;)

The only mining making anything ATM is altcoins & that may not be for much longer,with the 750+mh units coming online very soon  ::)

BTW,keep up the good work Bick!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

Good luck folks!!!!!  ;)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 28, 2014, 02:45:22 AM
Here is a long well researched and clear thread started by DrG about cloud hashing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739510.msg8355686#msg8355686

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Now let's compare to cloud mining:

1) Again you hope the company is not a scam.  You don't want to buy a 5 year contract and then have the company run away after collecting up-front contract income for 6 months.  In the crypto world unless you know the names and address of the actual company you are dealing with you will most likely never see your money again.

2&3) Cloud miners typically will deliver exactly what they promised in terms of hasrate or people would get upset at the very first day and it would be bad for their image. You don't need to worry about specs and efficiency.

4) Cloud mining does require the mining company to be able to reliably mine.  I haven't heard of these companies having significant down-time or server issues

5) Just like with actual hardware no mining company has been shown to really be worth buying other than PBMining - and for that we have the issues below

6) You are relying on the company to be in business and holding up their contract for the set duration.  Now consider your contracts with phone carriers, internet access, cable TV etc.  I don't know how it is in the rest of the world, but in the US these companies are notorious for changing the rules and changing your contract and secretly charging you more fees and trying to trick their customers with the full blessing of the US government (via FTC consent).  Now think about the crytocurrency world where many companies are anonymous and newly created - do you trust a company that has been around for 3 months to honor a 5 year contract?  If they go bankrupt who are you going to call?  Would you trust the 40 year roofing warranty from a 2 month old roofing shingle company?

And that last point #6 is where the biggest issue with cloud mining resides.  Let's forget about whether you'll make money or not.  Let's forget about whether they restrict you to mining on certain pools (or even algorithms if you're mining alternative coins).  Let's assume you get a contract and you start getting income into your wallet.  You have to HOPE that the company stays in business and doesn't shut down for the life of the contract - especially since many of these companies do not allow you to transfer ownership of your contract.  You are trusting these cloud mining companies.  If the company showed me the management positions, pictures of these people, address where the business is headquartered (not necessarily where the mining is going on for security reasons) then perhaps I would be willing to trust these companies.  I run a business myself - I am incorporated in California as a physician and my information is clearly visible to the CA public.  These mining companies should at the very least show you their credentials before you invest with them.

Gavin Anderson, one of the lead BTC developers recently echoed similar sentiments:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112329/gavin-andresens-fractional-reserve-mining-cloud-miners-respond

For those of you who want proof to see how desperate these companies are, they literally pay people to come onto these boards and post spam supporting them.  Here are users I and others have identified as shill posters.  Click on the user profile and look at their post history.  If 1/2 their posts are promoting a company they are paid shills most likely.  When was the last time you went around telling people how awesome liquid plumber cleaned you pipers  ;D

drawer - new user and 3/4th of his posts are about his supported company
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=732923.msg8309461#msg8309461 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=732923.msg8309461#msg8309461)

testerman - posted the same text in 7 different threads promoting PBMining
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=732923.msg8331652#msg8331652 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=732923.msg8331652#msg8331652)

What do you think of SHA hashlets?

Are those miners that you can get delivered to you?

I guess we have to start another cloud thread for that but it wouldn't be in "hardware".

My feeling would be caution. More caution or even EXTREME caution in calculating out if this is a viable investiment.

I posted my thoughts in the thread "Proof of dishonesty and lies from Gawminers.com Hashlet Ponzi Scheme Scam"


http://bitcoinexaminer.org/bitcoin-developer-gavin-andresen-suspects-cloud-mining-operations-ponzi-schemes/


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Be careful.

Trust: -964: -24 / +29(29)
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!


Hashlets are difficulty derivatives. They don't have the hardware behind them, they don't need to. They are only a scam if they stop paying out what should be gotten with the hashpower you have paid for.

There is nothing wrong with difficulty derivatives. It is not a scam. If you think this is a scam, you must think that the $22 billion in derivatives trading annually is a scam.

Be very careful.

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@ Unacceptable... thanks will do.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 28, 2014, 12:59:41 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit  Up to 10 week delays in shipment of some customers Minion Group Buy Units.

The hurt / delays continue for some customers of Technobit who have paid substantial amounts for miners over 10 weeks ago.

I agree with scrappy here, Batch 1 should of been sent out by now. reading the thread its totally unprofessional sending out small orders first.
i see some people waiting 10 weeks now for there order to be shipped out and nothing. Seems people with large orders are getting shafted.

I think compensation is due MARTO!!!!

People have been patient with you since you had a problem with the boards, but this now seems to be resolved.
So what exactly is going on??

i do not what to take legal action as BFL are facing and now KNC miner, marto.
You really havent provided any updates to people with large orders on the forum at all.

Please provide a clear update on what is going on and when everyone's orders are going to be fulfilled and compensation package.
with have been patient, but you have taken are patience for granted now.

There is seriously something wrong with this thread. Folks Martin has yet to deliver batch one yet we have 3 confirmed cases of him shipping batch 2. He says "small orders" Fuck that shit. Mine may have been large and paid in fiat. I have as of to date received 6 of 50, and Marto has promised 6 shipping dates and only sent once!

 Guys, enough of the bullshit.

 I paid in fiat for a flat conversion, have been lied to about shipping, and seen batch 2 orders go out before mine. Check the thread, I was in page 2 and traded in 2 x3's and paid in fiat. I know I am not alone here as I have spoke to many of you in pm's. Enough with the BS, bring it.

scrappy do, dam so shipments are just trickling out. i would of thought at least batch 1 would of been completed by now

I haven't received a single one of my 88 boards. My chips have been at technobit since July 17th.

Marto any news when batch 2 will be shipped, its been over a month now since you received my chips. ive emailed you on your site, 2 weeks ago and no reply.
would like to know whats happening with those.

you going to be offering any compensation for late deliveries now. awaiting 25 boards  >:( and counting

 No offense Guyver, but he hasn't even shipped batch one out. Hopefully he will not ship out anymore batch 2 like the mistake made last week. I just got my first partial shipment today 6 of 50. I know its been over a month for you and I hate it, but it has been over 10 weeks for some of us.

We are working and as soon is ready will be  out.

...but we keep hearing this same reply over and over from you.  I've heard this same thing at least 6 times now from you.  Can you tell us what is holding up your shipping?  At first it was because of the MCU, then when that was fixed it was because you were testing the completed boards but what is holding you up now??

Edit:  ...And of course, no response from Marto when asked the 'tough' questions...  This is ridiculous.

If so many mcus are defective wouldn't it make sense to have them all removed and swapped for new ones by a machine and leave the testing for a later time? (I don't know if there is a desoldering machine)

Even 37 boards/day is painfully slow with the total number of boards in mind and it must be quite tiring to do it all by hand time and time again.




Thats a good one.
I made a thread and made an offer. No promises.

Ya... that is certainly how you operate.

People need to rethink using your services if you are not willing to do anything to help these people desperately asking for answers.

You can spend 10 minutes here now arguing with me but there are countless people who are asking for you to provide better service. Both Minersource and Technobit in this thread and these forums have had many issues. People should take this as a clear warning when doing biz with you guys.  NO PROMISES as well as no effort and lay the blame elsewhere.

I think you need to get your priorities in check.

Enjoy your thread.
Yea instead of having Technobit bundle US customers orders up and sent to us, they should all contact Technobit / Marto directly and arrange for shipping.

You are probably 100% right thinking that they'd get them faster and it was a great idea.

There is one customer that I've been emailing about their boards (that we have part of his order for), that will be the last order we reship.

I'm going to pass this to Marto.

**This post is 100% serious, arrangements now need to be made for shipping**

Unfortunately putting all this in Marto's hands may save 'money' the problem is then can he be trusted to get the units shipped. If you look at his history there are significant issues in the past when he has lied about shipping when he was having production delays in the past or when things became less profitable. Whatever the reasons he has yet to be 100% clear on when a specific customer will get their entire order. If you can set a production number daily then you can estimate within good reason when shipping will occur. He is not doing that. That is why people are rightly pissed. Suggest people remember this the next time they deal with Marto. Better to avoid his company use more reputable and reliable companies. Has anyone independently verified the issues that Marto is having with the boards and production numbers or is everyone just trusting what Marto is saying is actually happening?



*Recently Deleted by MinerSource.

In all fairness TechnoBit doesn't respond to questions from potential customers either.

From the looks of it all the Black Arrow customers who chose the Group Buy are much worse off financially than customers who stayed with BA or MinerSource and their incendiary mail bomb. BA & MSs customers are only losing almost 100% of their money, at least 200% in minted Bitcoins at the exchange rates and nobody has died yet. The GB has put a lot more additional out of pocket funds into this cluster-fuck.

How many of those that chose the GB option also sent BA additional funds for Power Supply Units?

These PSUs were for the promised but yet to be delivered compensation units. BA promised to deliver compensation units after they've completed shipping of all orders.

The PSUs use in BAs miner has caused multiple explosive detonations due to to high voltage leakage from the PSUs. The leakage polarized the high capacity aluminium electrolytic capacitors that were added to unused sections of the Printed Circuit Board. The capacitors were polarized in the wrong direction with voltage that far exceed the capacitors rating. An explosive release of an ionically conductive liquid into the miner occurred resulting in combustion of the energized and populated PCB; open flame and toxic smoke being the final result.

BA, MS and TB customers are all experiencing an unreasonable shipping delay in paid for Minion based SHA-256 hashing hardware.



4 Scam Accusation Threads About Technobit:

 Scam alert technobit.eu  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358439.20)
 Marto74 BFL-Style SCAMMER    (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397901.msg4297682#msg4297682 Technobit.eu /)
 Attention A Technobit.EU (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=357904.msg3828045#msg3828045)
 Technobit.eu SCAM ALERT (Fraud, Scam, No Refund, wrong promises) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=433906.msg4763633#msg4763633)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on September 28, 2014, 01:00:23 PM
Another BFL PSA:

People should tell their stories asap... to help make certain that BFL is not put back in charge of the company come Monday.

Anyone see this gem in the BFL Monarch thread? (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8847-federal-trade-commission-has-filed-civil-suit-against-butterfly-labs-2.html#post86194)

Quote
09-23-2014, 04:39 PM #14
FTCinfo  

I have just had a very nice conversation with Helen Wong at the FTC. She is the staff contact with the Division of Financial Practices regarding BFL.

The assets of BFL have been frozen pending the outcome of the hearing at 9am on Monday, September 29th. At this hearing, the court will determine the future of the company, to wit:

a. They have failed to fulfill obligations to customers and will not regain control of the company, at which point the FTC, courts and appointed receiver will begin working on the issuance of refunds to customers. (She was unable to speak as to whether or not the current refund queue order would be altered)

b. They have claimed they have begun to fulfill obligations to customers, but it has been found that the actually have not and will not regain control of the company, at which point the FTC, courts and appointed receiver will begin working on the issuance of refunds to customers. (Again, She was unable to speak as to whether or not the current refund queue order would be altered)

c. They have begun fulfilling obligations to customers, but in a manner that is not consistent or not in sync with consumer protection regulation at which point issuance of refunds would be overseen by the FTC and/or courts. (It was unclear as to whether this would be while under the control of a receiver or BFL)

d. They have begun fulfilling obligations to customers, are breaking no laws or regulation and no action should be taken, at which point BFL continues business as usual.
Yes, those are the 4 possible outcomes of the hearing on Monday. I hope everyone who placed an order with BFL - especially those who had a refund denied or delayed more than 45 days at any time during their interactions with BFL - has shared their experiences with the appointed temporary receiver, Mr. Johnson, at eljreceiver@spencerfane.com, so the court reaches the appropriate decision. I know I have.

Edit: Thanks opieum2... let us hope many people post as much relevant info as possible on BFL.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on September 28, 2014, 01:52:56 PM
FYI on this. The FTC is reaching out to ANYONE who filed a complaint with them. I already got my call, told my story. Means they are reinforcing their case. I think they got it bulletproof or they would not be doing things the way they did them to catch them out there. 

Another BFL PSA:

People should tell their stories asap... to help make certain that BFL is not put back in charge of the company come Monday.

Anyone see this gem in the BFL Monarch thread? (https://forums.butterflylabs.com/the-monarch-discussion/8847-federal-trade-commission-has-filed-civil-suit-against-butterfly-labs-2.html#post86194)

Quote
09-23-2014, 04:39 PM #14
FTCinfo  

I have just had a very nice conversation with Helen Wong at the FTC. She is the staff contact with the Division of Financial Practices regarding BFL.

The assets of BFL have been frozen pending the outcome of the hearing at 9am on Monday, September 29th. At this hearing, the court will determine the future of the company, to wit:

a. They have failed to fulfill obligations to customers and will not regain control of the company, at which point the FTC, courts and appointed receiver will begin working on the issuance of refunds to customers. (She was unable to speak as to whether or not the current refund queue order would be altered)

b. They have claimed they have begun to fulfill obligations to customers, but it has been found that the actually have not and will not regain control of the company, at which point the FTC, courts and appointed receiver will begin working on the issuance of refunds to customers. (Again, She was unable to speak as to whether or not the current refund queue order would be altered)

c. They have begun fulfilling obligations to customers, but in a manner that is not consistent or not in sync with consumer protection regulation at which point issuance of refunds would be overseen by the FTC and/or courts. (It was unclear as to whether this would be while under the control of a receiver or BFL)

d. They have begun fulfilling obligations to customers, are breaking no laws or regulation and no action should be taken, at which point BFL continues business as usual.
Yes, those are the 4 possible outcomes of the hearing on Monday. I hope everyone who placed an order with BFL - especially those who had a refund denied or delayed more than 45 days at any time during their interactions with BFL - has shared their experiences with the appointed temporary receiver, Mr. Johnson, at eljreceiver@spencerfane.com, so the court reaches the appropriate decision. I know I have.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 04, 2014, 03:17:05 AM
BFL gets pulled deeper into the bowels of FTC control.

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.54.0.pdf


Summary by ElGrandeJefe

I don't know about you guys but I read the document totally different to BFL's press release. This is the receiver being granted full company for 45 days, who might bring in some or all of the employees as he sees fit. If he doesn't see a business plan moving forwards, he wills hut the doors and liquidate. If he does, he has to put it before the court for them to decide.

The Section XVII prevents anyone suing BFL for now (I believe, unless you have a statute of limitations which will time out), which is why the class action was trying to stop it. They got pretty screwed over out of this which is rather sad.
Agreed. Pure PR spin, completely unjustified.

In a nutshell:
  • No more pre-orders
  • No more lies about performance or delivery dates
  • No advertising or selling anything they don't actually have in stock
  • Full asset freeze for BFL and Jody, Nasser and Sonny (JNS)
  • Repatriation of assets held abroad by BFL and JNS
  • Full accounting of all BFL assets and records
  • Full authorization to subpoena any person or business entity holding BFL and JNS assets and records
  • Full, sworn list of all payments and transfers of funds, assets and property of BFL and JNS
  • Complete, sworn statement itemizing all payments, transfers, and assignment of funds over $2,500 made since June 2012 by each of JNS
  • Authorization for FTC to obtain credit reports on JNS
  • Full preservation of records by BFL and all its officers and agents (no more forum post deletions)
  • Authority of temporary receiver to send anyone at BFL home, including, but not limited to JNS
  • JNS may work for the receiver if so asked, but will not be paid
  • No burn-in testing without approval of the court
  • Shipping of completed miners is allowed, if consumers want them instead of a refund
  • No refunds unless approved by the court
  • No new sales unless approved by the court
  • All BFL and JNS bitcoins go to a wallet controlled by the receiver (as noted in a previous post)

There's a whole lot more in there that's unfavorable to BFL, but essentially the receiver temporarily has control over everything, Jody, Nasser and Sonny get nothing and have to provide a full accounting of what they have taken in the past. Everyone has to cooperate fully with the receiver or their ass is grass. The FTC is authorized, and indeed has been granted extended powers, to continue gathering evidence. Further criminal investigations and civil suits against BFL and JNS can continue.

And last but not least, the judge says "this case is mine, bitches".

From the STIPULATED INTERIM ORDER above:

Quote
A. Misrepresenting, expressly or by implication, directly or indirectly:

1. The amount of Bitcoins or any other virtual currencies Defendants’ products or services will generate; or

2. When products or services will be delivered to consumers; and

B. Soliciting or receiving payment from consumers for merchandise which defendants do not have currently in stock and available for shipping.


VFT adds some more legal docs.

STIPULATION FOR LIMITED RELIEF FROM THE
ASSET FREEZE AS TO DARLA JO DRAKE

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.57.0.pdf


STIPULATION FOR LIMITED RELIEF FROM THE
ASSET FREEZE AS TO SONNY VLEISIDES

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.56.0.pdf


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 04, 2014, 08:16:00 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif   Spondoolies Releases Hi Res Pictures of the SP20:

As the market becomes increasingly harder for manufacturers to find those willing to buy SPTech keeps the pressure on with the SP20.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/3aDnXVQ_zps85842b61.jpg

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/frnO2ao_zps9a724b92.jpg

http://imgur.com.prx2.unblocksit.es/a/ltKAR


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 04, 2014, 08:26:34 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Technobit continue production of new miners yet is still failing to deliver on past orders.

Even though Technobit claimed to halt all other work on their boards in lieu of getting the group buy minion boards out  they have continued to produce more new boards without any slow down in sight even given the backlog for the minion group buy. Customers are still not getting shipments or incomplete shipments. This is clearly not good for consumers.


What Is my  status update vesi?

Martin told me last week that shipping was for this past Monday.

What is my update?


Hi,
I'm Vesi from technobit.
Martin will not be able to post in the forum for some time :)
So I'll do my best to answer your questions
You still can contact us here on PM or e-mail office@technobit.eu

Regards: Vesi
Hello, I just reacted through technobit's message system. I'm 2 hex4m boards short, got a 13 and a 10 boards shipment, not 25 total. Fix asap please.


We are working and as soon is ready will be  out.

...but we keep hearing this same reply over and over from you.  I've heard this same thing at least 6 times now from you.  Can you tell us what is holding up your shipping?  At first it was because of the MCU, then when that was fixed it was because you were testing the completed boards but what is holding you up now??

Edit:  ...And of course, no response from Marto when asked the 'tough' questions...  This is ridiculous.
What other response you want.
The MCU's are replaced by hand on 500+ boards. So this takes time.
When exchanged and tested ok is shipped , that is all.
both GB1 and GB2 are .
The first order is from minersource personal and they did not get even one.
Again if you want out give me your order and I'll ship your chips imidiately
OR you can go and post together with bick.
I know it is slow and late and frustrating.
But we are doing our best
 

How about info on how many boards are completed per day. So we'll know how many more months this will take.
diferent yesterday 6
today 37
Please understand we postpone our own boards until GB boards are ready.
We are loosing money too on this.
Majority  of you paid us in chips .
Again you can always ask for chip delivery and join Bicknelski .
and you will be in your right.
Somebody asked for compensation it'is OK I'll ship you spare chips if you want, because We paid production costs for 1k boards and got paid with fiat/btc for about 80 boards only, So any compensation will be in chips if you pay for the board

Martin,

What's the estimated sale date of these boards?
Hi,
I'm Vesi from technobit.
Martin is not able to answer you here for some time. So I'll try:
The first pre-production run of about 10 boards will be ready hopefully next week.
We are going to test it for a week or so .
So these will be put in sales next week with shipment date withing 2 weeks.
Right after that there will be first full production batch for sale

This is all the info I have
Best Vesi

UPDATE: Consumers now complain of lower specification boards being delivered.

What got changed on the boards we are getting and the one user 2good received ?

For one im seeing a lot less capacitors on the board ???
and im tsting the board now on all diff kind of clock setings and voltage settings.. but im not nearly getting the "Good" efficientcy number as 2good was getting with undervolting!!

Marto did you reduce your BOM to save money with a result a less efficient miner..

the most efficient im getting now is 1,08 W/GH and thats 660mV 400Mhz or
1,13W/GH 760mV 700MHz


that no where near the 0,78 2good was getting !!!


We still recommend that people DO NOT BUY FROM TECHNOBIT as they continue to collect money for new units while failing to adequately ship past products. This is a consistent pattern for the past 18 months that has been well documented in these forums by customer complaints.

Yeah,  it would be really nice to get an update from technobit.  Where are you guys in batch 1/batch 2 orders?  How is the queue being handled?  I have a partial order shipped,  when can I expect the rest of my order out?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 04, 2014, 08:29:45 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Bitmain makes official announcement that they are not affiliated with Minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC.

As concerns grow over Minersource.net and Miner Hosting LLC Bitamain is clear to distance themselves with this group. I suspect there is more to this but it is a good sign for customers that Bitmain is trying to be very clear it is not nor will be involved with such disreputable companies.

We are not affiliated with Minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC.  

They may have used the address at 3700 Quebec St, however, 3700 Quebec st is a shopping/office center.

Every package will be signed and video recorded as they come in by the UPS, and Panera Bread is located within the same shopping center.

http://www.stapletondenver.com/directory?district=30

There are a few other bitcoin related businesses in colorado receive mails at the local UPS Store within the shopping center.

In the near future, Walk-In drop off may be offered at Denver Bitcoin Center, but, that arrangement is not yet active.

This USA address is one of the options.  You can always request RMA/Warranty via PM to Bitmain or info@bitmaintech.com or webmaster@bitmaintech.com

UPDATE: Bitmain has new bitcointalk account and is responding to customer questions and providing clear information for RMA's.

Sent you PM, please contact us, so we can resolve your issue.


Please contact 1-844-248-6246 to speak with one of the live tech support guys or send e-mail to info@bitmaintech.com

What we need:

Your Bitmaintech.com Order Confirmation Page (PDF or printed or copy and paste)
Brief description of what is wrong with the unit.
We need your return shipping address with a phone number and e-mail address.  (If we need to, the best time to call you)

You can return defective unit with the above information printed to:

Bitmain Warranty
3700 Quebec St. #100239
Denver, Colorado 80207
USA

Telephone: +1-844-248-6246

*Please use a service with a tracking #.  A possibility of Local Drop Off in Denver, Colorado area is considered at this time, however, we are not accepting the in-person drop off.  Please ship the package to the above address for now.

*If you have purchased the Antminer Products from else where, such as Ebay, Amazon, or craigslist or some forum, you may still be eligible for the warranty but even you were not eligible for the warranty, we may quote you for the repair parts cost to restore your units. (even back to S1)


Please run self diagnostic before you send the unit back for the warranty, as often time, it turns out to be a mis-configured unit rather than it being defective.  Misconfigured unit will cost you the return shipping fee and flat rate diagnostic fee and return shipping @ $50 per miner. (Return Shipping fee included)




I bought an S3+ from B9. I have it for around 2 weeks now. And suddenly one of the blades just stop working. Does anyone have the same issue? Do you know a fix??


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 15, 2014, 08:09:27 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL attempts to wiggle free from FTC noose

 DEFENDANT NASSER GHOSEIRI’S JOINDER IN DEFENDANTS’ MOTION TO DISMISS  (http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.84.0.pdf)

Unlikely to happen.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Documents outlining the plan moving forward for BFL under FTC control is sealed.

 ORDER granting [86] motion for leave to file Document under Seal. Signed on 10/14/14 by District Judge Brian C. Wimes. This is a TEXT ONLY ENTRY. No document is attached.(Baldwin, Joella) (http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 15, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif More disgruntled customers of Technobit file credit card claims against their slow delivery & Other question revision of components on boards.


I am done. Your company has failed.  You have delayed to the point of no return. Therefore, I ask you to simply ask you to refund my initial deposit, and treat me as a chip conversion, otherwise, I will request a full refund. You have as of yet to ship a suitable product. Please refund my initial purchase and feel free to keep 300 USD for shipping the crap you sent. I have 5 boards that are unacceptable. Please ship me the remainder of the boards, and I will gladly ship you the shit back.
 
 Please do not make me refute this charge, as you would clearly lose.
 

    --------- Original Message ---------
    Subject: Re: [TechnoBit] Message from contact form [no_sync]
    From: "TECHNOBIT" <office@technobit.eu>
    Date: 10/1/14 10:56 pm
    To:
    Message from TechnoBit
    Your order was marked as shipped because the shipping started. We will send you all 50 miners.
    
    
Hi,
We did offered you refund month ago. And you refused .
Now all the boards are produced and slowly going out.
By our ToS assembly service is not refundable and you agreed to it.
And at this point We are not able to provide one.
On 26-th of Sep we shipped 12 boards
On 29-th - 10
this Monday - 20
What is the problem with these 5 - not working , broken , under performing ?
We might be able to assist .
If they are broken or non-functional we'll exchange them for you of course.
Again We understand that our delay is frustrating and you are mad on us.
and we sorry for the whole situation

Best Regards: Vesi





 Your ToS? Really?

 Wake the hell up. My CC is a real TOS.

 You provide a service, I pay you for it, you fail to deliver, and ship faulty equipment.

 Guess who wins.


Whatever.. here ya go......



I have no problems my friend. Your boards do. I will ship back bad boards as you sent an unacceptable product.
 
I have been more than forgiving to this point. I simply cannot continue on.
 
You company has failed to deliver. I am sorry. You promised a product 12 weeks ago, and even being that late you shipped faulty equipment. That is HORRIBLE!
 
People depend on you and if you could not deliver, you should be straight up and honest. Please refund my money, or I will refute the charge... You will lose. You failed to deliver.
 

    --------- Original Message ---------
    Subject: Re: Re: [TechnoBit] Message from contact form [no_sync]
    From: office@technobit.eu
    Date: 10/7/14 11:57 pm
  
    Hi,
    You have 5 sendings ( boxes) on the way to you since monday.
    What means 5 boards unnaceptable ? Broken not working at all?
    If you have troubles setting them attach them and give me TW access and I'll help
    If there is something broken I'll send you additional ones.
    I did offered you refund before the all the boards were produced.
    Now they are.
    Do have in mind By our ToS assembly service is not refundable.
    Until now I spent for shipping to you more than 700 EUR.
    I understand that our production troubles are our problem and you are furstrated.
    
    Best Martin
    

I am done. Your company has failed.  You have delayed to the point of no return. Therefore, I ask you to simply ask you to refund my initial deposit, and treat me as a chip conversion, otherwise, I will request a full refund. You have as of yet to ship a suitable product. Please refund my initial purchase and feel free to keep 300 USD for shipping the crap you sent. I have 5 boards that are unacceptable. Please ship me the remainder of the boards, and I will gladly ship you the shit back.
 
 Please do not make me refute this charge, as you would clearly lose.
 

    --------- Original Message ---------
    Subject: Re: [TechnoBit] Message from contact form [no_sync]
    From: "TECHNOBIT" <office@technobit.eu>
    Date: 10/1/14 10:56 pm
    To:
    Message from TechnoBit
    Your order was marked as shipped because the shipping started. We will send you all 50 miners.
    
    

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Customers of Group Buy Still asking for Updates and No reply from latest Technobit.eu spokesman Vesi:

Vesi,

Any word on the AMD brackets ?

up
HI,
Yours will be out today.
For others we'll put a product on the website with 0 price and no transport costs , you just have to provide your hex4m order ref

Regards: Vesi

Vesi,

Please update me on the shipping date of my item.
I dont know why contacting you is so difficult but I have sent multiple pm's and as you see Above I have requested you check them many times.

I was told that my order was first going to ship out 2 mondays ago, and then I was then updated that It was going to leave last thursday.

I have had no update since and nothing has changed on the technobit order site.

Where is my order? I ordered with batch 2 with technobit in Mid July. Please send me a correct update.

Why does it seem that you can get back to everyone else on this forum immediately but I sent you a pm and a reminder message above on the 11th and then again on the 14th but you seem to be ignoring me? I dont know whats so hard about keeping good business repertoire with clients....

Im starting to ask myself if my order is being "taken seriously" over there or not but it seems like it has been put on hold in favor of other orders placed after.
 If thats not true, please update me!!!

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Where are my boards? Another Technobit customer asks:

I was in Batch 1 and have not seen any boards as of yet.  How far along are we now?


Where any boards shipped out this week?  I didn't get my usual email from DHL that a package was being delivered...  Still waiting on 67 more boards plus 1 rma.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 15, 2014, 08:17:58 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  or  https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Teapot Tempest on Bitmain S4 or Serious Issue?

Not sure what to think of the recent spam / hate / firmware / hardware issues with the S4.

Is this a problem that has a simple solution or are customers being shafted?

Need to look into this deeper. Opinions?

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Sample customer comment:

Dogie, with respect - I don't want to hear the same thing from you as bitmain have been telling me & everyone else here for nearly 8 weeks. I have been in contact with bitmain over this issue here & via email this entire time, warning them about this exact thing happening, but to no avail.

I know you get paid to provide answers, but please don't just repeat what bitmain keep saying - it's patronizing & annoying.

Also, if you are going to post answers for & on behalf of bitmain, please at least try and make sure that your answers are correct & based on information from bitmain themselves. Some of your comments are quite simply wrong, leading to misinformation & confusion to other less experienced miners.

Peace  :)

EDIT: Example:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=796839.msg9129424#msg9129424

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Recent post on failed PSU's in S4's:

Power supply replacement for the Antminer S4

Dear loyal customers,

Today we have found out that the batch of power supplies shipped out in batch 1 and the first part of batch 2 Antminer S4s contain a critical defect. The customized power supply produced by AplusPower Co. Ltd is suffering from an unacceptably high failure rate and will be replaced with immediate effect.
We take full responsibility for the problems caused and had not anticipated the unique loading conditions of a miner when selecting and testing the suitability of these power supplies. You can read more about the defect in the post below.

We are now taking steps to ensure that customers are impacted as little as possible. The rest of batch 2 S4s will come with the improved power supply as standard.

The following actions are being taken for miners already delivered:

1)  If your PSU has already failed:

•   Submit a RMA request with some pictures and proof [ie with your username in the photo] of your PSU’s failure to info@bitmaintech.com.
•   We will then ship a new PSU out as soon as possible.
•   We will also issue compensation to the value of 10 days of mining profit calculated starting from shipping date

2) If your PSU has not failed and the miner is running normally:

•   We will ship a new PSU to you.
•   Please do not contact support yet, you will receive an email asking to confirm your shipping.
      


Analysis of power supply failures within the first batch of Antminer S4s

We are sorry for the inconvenience you may have experienced regarding power supply failures, or even sporadic events of smoke from our first batch of Antminer S4s. We immediately set out to investigate the reports of failed power supplies from customers, and have made immediate changes to improve the quality of future deliveries. What happened with these power supplies is not acceptable.

The power supplies failed by two different mechanisms:

1) Failed TR1 or TR2 MOSFETs on the power factor correction (PFC) circuitry.

After investigations, it was found that the unusual service conditions a miner puts on its power supply was the cause of the failure. The repeated abrupt, dynamic loading generated significant current through the PFC circuits, eventually leading to the failure of the TR1 or TR2 MOSFETs.

The replacement power supplies have significantly upgraded PFC circuits in order to improve performance and prevent a recurrence of the problem.


2) Failed MOSFET on the output Synchronous rectifier circuit

A MOSFET on the output Synchronous rectification circuit was also found to be failing, due to the repeated and sudden load changes during the miners’ operation.

During normal operation, the output MOSFET is expected to carry a current of approximately 30A and operate at a surface temperature of around 80C. The failing MOSFET was found to be heating up significantly further than this, causing the carbonized black PCBs and smoking thermal pad.

It is worth noting that although a failed output MOSFET at high temperatures may result in some smoke from the PCB and thermal pad, it will not start a fire. All internal components of the PSU meet the requirements of the UL94-V0 flame retardancy standard, which certifies that any ignition will self-extinguish within a maximum of 10 seconds.

In response to this problem, the sample filter in the Synchronous rectifier circuits have been altered to erase the excessive current, and so the MOSFET will not fail again. In addition, several high temperature prevention circuits have been added which will better protect the power supply from overloading and excessive temperatures.

Moving forwards

We always perform significant dynamic testing on chosen power supplies, however in this case we failed to recognize the special conditions and specific loading characteristics the miner would place on the power supply. Our testing has been altered to replicate and include these loading characteristics on any power supplies introduced in the future. Once again, we are sorry.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Bitmain opens 11 Batch of S3s:

     AntMiner S3+ Batch 11 opens sale now, price has dropped to 0.535btc per unit, coupon is being issued :)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Long time Customer Calls Bitmain Out on some issues:

Man I hate these 2 S3's I have that wont mine at 500gh/s.
I put them at 250 and they mine at 470ish, put them at 243 and they mine at 492.
You think that's bad ? You could be a batch 1 buyer that had 50% of his units unable to perform stably at 218.75mhz.

Have 3 units that can only run stably at 212.5mhz. Plan on getting around to re-pasting them in the near future to see if I can't improve things.

Ask me how annoyed I am. Especially when I emailed Bitmain early on in the S3 process and they assured me they would not be updating the S3's in the future to resolve the performance problems... And lo-and-behold the S3+ arrives a month later.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Bitmain, and more than 50% of my hash power comes from their devices, but the S3 launch did not go as well as the S1 launch, it appears the S4 launch (Don't own one) has been problematic, and given anecdotes I'm reading here, seems the community consensus is confirming my gut-feel: Bitmain is losing it's way :(

Funny that I'm thinking of circling back to AsicMiner products for my next miner purchase...

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Then on the other hand... C1. Someone is going to be building some new chips given this step:

Liquid Cooled Miner C1: It is not only cool, but it is cool
Only Available at bitmaintech.com (http://bitmaintech.com)

The density of miners is becoming more and more important as the rapid growth of the bitcoin hash rate continues. The industry is trending towards industrial level mining, which leaves home miners without much choice for compact and quiet miners.

In response to this problem, Bitmain has developed a solution. The high end PC industry has used water cooling for years, and this expertise has been transferred to mining equipment. Bitmain is proud to announce our first Liquid Cooled Miner – the C1.

The 1st Batch of C1s are priced at 1 BTC per unit (excluding shipping), with dispatch estimated Oct. 25th  


Specifications:
* Hash Rate: 1,008 GH/s guaranteed
* Power Efficiency: 0.8 Watt/GH/s at the wall
* Voltage: DC 12V input, 70A recommended, no PSU
* Water cooling block’s interface: G1/4-8 thread screw
* One 14038 Fan working with water cooling block
* Temperature: 38~40 °C at 25 °C ambient temperature
* Noise: 40~45 DB at 25 °C ambient temperature
* Ethernet connection, Stand alone
* Certificate Compliance: FCC/CE


Recommend Accessories:
Note: Bellow recommend parts are not included in C1, but a purchase links recommended on bitmaintech.com.
* Water cooling pump: Flow 450L/H, Head Pressure 3.0m, DC12V/0.5A, G1/4-8 screw threads, 1 unit
* Radiator: Aluminum, 389mm * 128mm * 36mm, G1/4-8 screw threads, 1 unit
* Fan 12025: DC12V/1A, including grills, 3 units
* Transparent tubing (ID/OD): 5/16” / 3/8” (10/8mm), 3 meters
* Coolant: If you choose an aluminum radiator, you can use deionized water with an additive, or specialist coolant. If you buy a copper radiator, you must only use specialist coolant.
* Connectors: G1/4” thread 10/8mm fittings to connect the C1 to the pump and radiator. Either compression fittings or barbs 4 units
* Spring clamps or worm drive fittings if you chose barbs, 6 units

Note:  
1)   Power consumption: Quoted figures depend on your PSUs efficiency, the ambient temperature and the accuracy of the power meter.
2)   PSU: You must provide your own ATX PSU. There are 4 PCI-e connectors for +12V DC input and all are required.

Features:

Stone alone: C1 mines are stand alone and do not require a proxy server or external controller. Setup consists of installing the water pump, radiator, filling the coolant, connecting a PSU and an Ethernet cable.

Cool: Skving technology is used to design New-Style water cooling block. This allows for a large heat-transfer area, which keeps the PCBs exceptionally cool. Thermal Images’ comparing liquid cooling and air cooling at 1TH/s hashing power

Quiet: Four hashing PCBs with 16 BM1382 chips per board are mounted to the both sides of two aluminum water cooling blocks, which are 250mm-long, 115mm-high and 13mm-thick. Each water cooling block contains 24 water channels for efficient heat transfer. A quiet fan works in tandem with the water cooling blocks in order to keep other board components on the C1 cool.

Stable and Accurate: Customized and optimized from the design of the S3+, the C1 is designed with the same PCBs and is supported by Serious-Double-Block Liquid Cooling technology. This allows C1s to benefit from the stability and accuracy of S3+ required to run 24 hours a day with minimal downtime.

Exquisite:
Die Casting Forming technology integrates the common heatsink with a water cooling block, compacts two water cooling blocks working in tandem. These technologies are saving space and allow for 1TH/s of power in a case the same as the S3.

C1 Pictures:
http://i.imgur.com/fhANhKx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qgIrZ8Y.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QjYGrMF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/luXRelu.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uzOk6CD.jpg



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 16, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif RETURN OUR MONEY BITMINE.CH CRY OUT CUSTOMERS!

RETURN OUR MONEY

You scamming lying pieces of shit

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/geothermal-gold-why-bitcoin-mines-are-moving-iceland-1468295

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Currently Bitmine have around one petahash per second (Ph/s) of mining capabilities generating around 4,000 bitcoins per month - the equivalent of around $1.2 million (£750,000, €950,000) worth of bitcoin at today's prices.

Steal thousands of coins from customers, then mine thousands more, pretty sweet gig if you want my opinion :P  They won't even swap my order value to cloud hashing so I can lose a little bit less than all of it.  They don't even return my very polite emails for months now.  Yup, big time fucking scam operation.

Wow they won't even refund a measly ~9 coins but can mine 4k coins a month, with 3 times that yet to deploy~!




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 17, 2014, 08:32:38 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Black Arrow and Minersource combine for EPIC FAIL!

Feel sorry for this customer even though the miner gets delivered because in this case it was so late (and even after refund was sought early) it will never make anything back for the customer. This is an epic BFL style move of mine it for all for what they are worth then deny refunds then ship it. This is inexcusable behavior. Personally I suspect that all the disreputable companies play this way.  

Well after the retards at MinerSource not listening to me and refusing my refund, an unexpected X1 arrived at my doorstep this morning. Opened it up and I am impressed by the quality of the unit as others have stated, it really is nice; but far too little too late. After powering on the unit and setting it up, it's running at 1100MHz and getting around 110-115Gh/s which is about on the money I suppose. Speaking of money, this outdated piece of junk won't even make back what I spent on it. Oh, and for the life of me, I can't get the Android phone LCD to display any stats. Just entering the details in the web browser leaves it there loading with nothing coming up; another let down. An app to display stats would have been apprecated rather than just showing a web page on it's screen.

 

Oh well, this fucking headache for me is over and never again will I spend a cent with BlackArrow or with MinerSource. As for the "compensation" don't worry guys, we'll never see it.

 

And on you poor bastards waiting for the X3's, funny how when the shoe is on the other foot, BA likes to go all legal when someone is "developing a prouct on others money and time" WHAT A JOKE! Maybe Apluspower are replacing Bitmain's PSU's because at least they know they will ship a product in a timely manner


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif More gouging of customers by Black Arrow because of their own failures:

08 Sept 2014: X3 Power supply recall

There have been reports that some X3s are failing. We have located this problem to be caused by the power supply.
Please note that this power supply is not manufactured by Black Arrow and has been purchased from a company in Shenzhen which sold it to us as CE certified.

After thorough investigations the power supply company has reached the conclusion that there are 3 major issues in this PSU and any PSU can fail at any time and it not safe to use. They have currently fixed the issues and are currently testing them.

Please stop using all X3s immediately!

We are recalling the X3 power supplies. Please do not ship your X3 unit or X3 Power supply back to us right now. We will contact the X3 customers later this week with more instructions on how to arrange shipping. If you have an X3 and have not received an email from us this week please contact our customer support immediately.

According to Nemesidis, this has now changed to  (http://ecointalk.net/topic/1348-my-x3-caught-fire/page-14#entry20353)
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Please send not working ones for replacement, include ticket number as RMA number.

Unfortunately we cannot replace something that is sitting at your place, we need to receive it, file it and find a cause. After that, replacements will be issued. We are unable to replace units or parts, without receiving ones that has problems back. Please note that if found working, or mechanically damaged, additional charges can be applied for replacement and testing of such parts.

1) Recall all PSUs and tell people to unplug and RMA them.
2) If any of the PSUs actually does work, charge customers an additional fee for testing and replacement.
3) PROFIT!!!

This is complete and total bullshit.



This is crazy.  What sort of company do this to customer?

YOU built machine that is fire hazard.  YOU pay all cost to fix.


How they ask customer to ship to China, the customer pay to ship, then they pay to test and more to replace.  How does this make sense to any person?


Machine is very late, is now useless, no longer make anything, all customers lose money.  BA already break price matching promise, BA already break promise of refunds, BA ship product that is a fire hazard, so people cannot run and now BA ask people to pay MORE money to fix problem made by BA.

I see now that they do not want to pay to fix this problem, they hope people will not send back and try to fix by own way or not fix and run this and maybe burn their house.  BA do not care if people do not have product that even turn on, or if it burns house.





https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif I think someone is angry at Black Arrow:


Dude, don't mince words - tell us what you're really thinking ;)

Well, OK. 

I'd like to see them all in jail getting gang raped by a bunch of very large men that were put into jail for having peckers too large to be legal.

The weekly progress update could include a medical rundown of how many stitches it took to get their asses back in working order after shower time and who might have caught some nasty disease this week.



I'd eat that up like a box of Girl Scout cookies. ;D




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 18, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Home Mining Reality Check. Time to stop buying miners was 6 months or more ago.

Given all the numbers available it makes little sense right now to buy miners for small scale or home use if you are looking to get a return or find profit.


Do you have some comments on how mining will turn now? A lot of home miners stopped mining due to -ve ROI.
Interesting question. All the more interesting because no one has actually asked me before on the forums, even though I've discussed it at length on IRC and am very happy at any time for people to know what I think.

Mining died for the community/home miner a long time ago. It's just that the community miners haven't realised or accepted it yet. Community mining is only 15% of the hashrate now and shrinking. They're always hopeful and expectant but there really is no reason for them to be that way. Mining has gone to the data halls and the massive farms, mostly run by the manufacturers themselves who have the ability to create hardware on the cheap and offer it to the select few entities who can help their mining operations or provide funding or cheap hosting, instead of the consumer buyer market which is annoying, small time, noisy and boring. The only reason they continue to sell to that regular consumer market is there are enough people who have unrealistic expectations of making a profit somehow because they simply cannot believe that the numbers are stacked against them, such that the hardware manufacturers can charge a ridiculous premium to sell to that market to make it worth their while.

This should come as no surprise to anyone who's been watching bitcoin at large, but it will continue to surprise bitcoin miners, past, present and future. The reason miners don't see it is they're so blinded by the concept of a "money making machine" or the "goose that laid the golden egg" that they just can't see it.

Here's a quote of mine. Note the date on it:

Long term, cgminer will be the lowest overhead c software to drive ASICs to do bitcoin mining, with lots of code in it that is no longer relevant to BTC mining. What I really worry about, is that new hardware will continue to come out frequently enough that people end up on a cycle of investing in hardware that basically never pays itself off as slightly newer hardware and higher diffs keep coming out. Sure at some stage the limits of technology will be reached, but given the best tech at the moment is going to be 65nm ASICs when CPUs are 28nm devices, I can see the cycle going on for some time, and then even if btc mining ASICs end up in line with CPU manufacturers, they still continue to evolve over time. Dramatic profits from ASICs will likely only last a couple of weeks at most for a lucky few. The rest of you who paid for devices that don't even exist yet will not be making any magical profit no matter how big the hashrate appears. Your proportion of the total bitcoin hashrate will remain pitiful.


To give you an idea of how long this has been known to the bitcoin community, even if miners refuse to see it, I think it's best to leave the final word to Satoshi himself, the inventor of bitcoin:

The current system where every user is a network node is not the intended configuration for large scale.  That would be like every Usenet user runs their own NNTP server.  The design supports letting users just be users.  The more burden it is to run a node, the fewer nodes there will be.  Those few nodes will be big server farms.  The rest will be client nodes that only do transactions and don't generate.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on October 18, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
Well put together. And it makes sense that it would scale to larger farms. Most people have this idealistic view that they should be mining in their homes for profit. It just is not going to happen unless there is some kind of HUGE semiconductor revolution that solves the engineering problems of heat and performance.

At the end of the day if anything a miner should have a plan to expand into large farm. It is possible, just gotta plan it out and put the work into it.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: bolehvpn on October 20, 2014, 02:42:28 AM
Please kindly add BitCrane to your list of manufacturers. http://www.bitcrane.com/

They have a phone number and a business address and they respond readily to e-mail and also have shipped their products out with no issues.

I've had extensive dealings with them and they're a stand up company with a track record of at least two iterations of miners (the T110 and T110S) which actually are still selling units. They also ship from stock.

Leaving them out would be unfair given their thus far excellent business practices. I think Dogie, bobsag3 and maidak all received their units as well.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Biffa on October 20, 2014, 07:36:52 AM
Please kindly add BitCrane to your list of manufacturers. http://www.bitcrane.com/

They have a phone number and a business address and they respond readily to e-mail and also have shipped their products out with no issues.

I've had extensive dealings with them and they're a stand up company with a track record of at least two iterations of miners (the T110 and T110S) which actually are still selling units. They also ship from stock.

Leaving them out would be unfair given their thus far excellent business practices. I think Dogie, bobsag3 and maidak all received their units as well.

For transparency sake, you really should disclose your business relationship with them perhaps in your sig or wherever you post about them.


Hi I am an actual paying customer. For full disclosure one of my gadget companies GeekZen is also now an authorized distributor of BitCrane as well. I only entered into the distributorship after I had purchased the miners myself and was happy with it.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: bolehvpn on October 20, 2014, 08:50:38 AM
Of course, never intended to hide it though I am only asking them to take into consideration. Even without my comments, it is clear that they shipped and have a product that they sold from stock. It's their own product (despite not ma nufacturing their own chips).


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 20, 2014, 12:57:26 PM
Of course, never intended to hide it though I am only asking them to take into consideration. Even without my comments, it is clear that they shipped and have a product that they sold from stock. It's their own product (despite not manufacturing their own chips).

I will only add fabricators that have a number of happy / sad customers. What you have stipulated are known agents or resellers and given Minersource's lack of refunds for some of their product lines I would rather not add Bitcrane based on that crappy company's recommendation. Bobsag has a so many wonky deals that if he is recommending it you want to have a long hard look at it. I'd prefer adding Bitcrane if customers come forward. Not seen any customers yet.

And at this point I think it is better to be clear that mining on the small or home scale is done like dinner, for the short term and possibly forever.

There might be some use for home scale mining for altcoins given the potential growth vs the difficulty of getting coins on exchange. Then again if they are hard to get on exchange there is little point to a coin then as well.


$1300 for 1THs is so 6 months ago! Lol. Who on earth would pay that much these days? You can buy an S4 and get 2THs for the same price.

That's why I'm waiting.  Even the S4 with a coupon is still a little overpriced.  You can pick up used Dragons in the $400ish range, so $800-900 should be the sweet spot.  But what do I know, Bitmain seems to be doing well.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 22, 2014, 09:58:31 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit goes dark on customer questions.

Hello? Anyone out there in technobit land?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 24, 2014, 04:29:42 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Technobit's no answer answers.

And the shell game continues. Given the current price of BTC anyone buying miners really should not be buying from people who are willfully ripping people off without compensation. 15 weeks?

Hello? Anyone out there in technobit land?
Hi,
We are here.
Shipping every day.
If your order is packed you are getting e-mail .
Again We know you wait too long and we sorry about that situation.
If you want off the deal , just give us shipping address and we'll ship you back the chips

Regards: Vesi

Thanks Vesi, but my question specifically asked where you are in the queue,  and how you were handling the queue.  Are you almost done with batch 1 orders?




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 24, 2014, 10:09:41 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  And the band plays on. Technobit.eu is not the manufacturer you are looking for.

Where any boards shipped out this week?  I didn't get my usual email from DHL that a package was being delivered...  Still waiting on 67 more boards plus 1 rma.

second week of no boards delivered. still waiting for 67 more boards.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 24, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif And the shut down's of smaller miners continues... why are you buying miners?

The signs are there. Are you reading the signs people? 5 cents a KWh.

You can also add me to the turning it off bunch. Moving out of colo, and retiring some 50+ TH of FrankenJups, S1s, Dragons, SP10s, S3s and BTCGardens.

We're moving 60TH to a warehouse with 5 cent power and about 50kw of capacity, and after the winter we'll likely be totally out. With the warehouse we can turn it off/on when profitable, which doesn't work in a colo situation.





Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 24, 2014, 06:20:21 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  More and more reasons not to buy Technobit.

I have not received a single board yet.  Waiting on 25 boards.


Where any boards shipped out this week?  I didn't get my usual email from DHL that a package was being delivered...  Still waiting on 67 more boards plus 1 rma.

second week of no boards delivered. still waiting for 67 more boards.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 28, 2014, 10:06:52 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit why you still no answer?

Technobit is failing to provide critical information yet again on shipping. Same pattern as previously stated last year by many who were burned.



Thanks Vesi, but my question specifically asked where you are in the queue,  and how you were handling the queue.  Are you almost done with batch 1 orders?



I appreciate Marto's and technobit's intention to provide an open,  transparent process.  This question should be easy to answer.  Could you answer it please?

We note that being polite doesn't get your answer any faster no matter the claims from Technobit to the contrary.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 28, 2014, 10:10:17 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Minersource is often a black hole for emails.
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow puts out questionable quality X-3 even after long delays.

As many have noted emails and correspondence with Minersource is usually all miss no hit some support late in the day is not enough to make them trustworthy at this stage. Avoid Minersource and Black Arrow at all costs.

I put a PSU from another unit in that machine, and it reads alarm/fault - and the psu that shot sparks out works fine in a different unit.

So i've concluded that rather just being a power supply - it's the actual miner.  anyone know how to reset the bugger

I would start by looking at the backplane caps, and removing them if they look like they've failed.

If no help is to be had there, I would then remove all but one of the hashing modules from the backplane and see if it will start up like that.  If so, reconnect another, etc, and see if you can isolate one of them that pisses it off.

Did just that.  It worked.  Found a dead module.  Another module has 1 dead chip and 1 live chip.  So I've asked BlackArrow to send out a few replacement boards and I'll just swap the heatsinks over.  Let's see if they will do that.   I'd contact MinerSource, but since they don't respond to emails, private messages and they cancelled their phone number, I'm not sure how to get a hold of them.

Update: while MS normally has not responded promptly, I got a response about the faulty hashboard and he said that they have replacements.  So perhaps there is some light in all of this.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 30, 2014, 12:06:40 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif And on and on and on.

Rinse and repeat fraud by Technobit.

Vesi,

Any word on the AMD brackets ?

up
HI,
Yours will be out today.
For others we'll put a product on the website with 0 price and no transport costs , you just have to provide your hex4m order ref

Regards: Vesi

Vesi,


No brackets have arrived yet ??
Can you check if everything was send out correctly pls..

Thanks.

No brackets or chip received yet. !! its been almost 3 weeks now..

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit with RMA's on top of delays.

Vesi,

Where to send the defective board? To same adress as RMA?
Could you plz send me PM with details?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on October 30, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Shakes head. Still no love from Technobit for some customers.



I appreciate Marto's and technobit's intention to provide an open,  transparent process.  This question should be easy to answer.  Could you answer it please?

Hello? How far behind are you guys, exactly?  Is there any way to get specific information on our orders?

After 4 months you should know the answer is no.

STILL AWAITING ORDER:

XXXXXXXXXXX

2 x TL-MR3020 router

2014-07-15    

107,40€

PD PayPal + Extra Fee    Payment accepted


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 01, 2014, 08:15:46 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif SP20's slip and SPTech offers compensation.

So we see that for the first time SPTech has slipped on a delivery deadline but is offering compensation. In the past compensation was offered to missed technical specifications but that compensation was offered in October after shipments made in August. Given the honesty and direct nature of the Guy and the SPTech I think consumers are still well protected if you are still buying mining equipment from SPTech. Price and ROI are still the biggest worry for all customers in the current depressed market. This is a thumbs up and thumbs down situation so it is an over all push on reliability.

Edit: Guy responds immediately to when the compensation processing will start. This team is on top of communications as always.

You mean about the fact that 3 days prior to their shipping deadline they had no clue if they could ship or not? ...
We're working through the weekend to meet the October shipping deadline.
The reasons for the last minute shipping are numerous and has also very much to do with unauthorized strikes in Israel sea ports, see for example here (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/28/israel-ports-idUSL5N0SN2EF20141028).
It happens also in previous months, we had to ask the carrier to change route, deliver to cypress and fly the parts into Israel.
We're going through hoops to make sure the entire material needed for production arrives on time. It's an enormous, challenging task.
Right now we're producing the SP20 and we'll ship them after the proper burn-in tests in Flextronics. It might be slipped to the beginning of next week. If this will be the case, we'll compensate.

Guy

The production of the SP20 is slipping into the beginning of the next week. We are working hard to make sure all units are shipped by Monday.
We will offer a BTC compensation for lost mining time.

Compensation and ship all SP20s by Monday.

First real slip in timeline we've seen. But with compensation I suspect customers will be happy at least in that regard. How long for compensation?


During November. We'll contact SP20 customers and ask for wallets addresses.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif SP31s ship on time and arriving at customers doors.

My SP31 is out for delivery, and it just shipped 1.5 days ago, that's pretty fast!

I have ordered every Spondoolies-Tech Product that they has shipped so far, and every order has arrived within the time frame promised.    Customer service has been excellent!

I will continue to be a customer on future products, their pre-sales and post-sales customer service and honesty cannot be touched, and their products are rock solid.

Thanks Spondoolies-Tech team, keep up the great work!   Looking forward to hearing more about the next-gen!!

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Shipping units fairly quickly is a positive sign as well.

Seeing the level of communication provided by SP in this thread makes me want to order some hardware.  What are the lead times for orders placed this week or next?
SP20 - less than a week
SP35 - one month


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 01, 2014, 08:28:27 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Former customers warn people off Avalon re-branding even with a paid spokesman assurance they have changed.

There is certainly been no reasonable explanation or apologies from Avalon or the executives and paid spokesman for this new company as to what happened with regards to chips and the millions in dollars in damages it caused the community. There is certainly no reason to purchase from Avalon or Avalon re-branded given the unlikelihood their products will fail to come close to ROI or break even for miners. Nothing at this stage is really going to break even so waiting for products that are likely even worse than existing products is simply not a good strategy. If you are still buying there are others delivering right now. No need to wait on Avalon gear if you are still engaged in mining  ASICMINER (http://asicminer-shop.de/), BITMAINTECH (https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm) and SPONDOOLIESTECH (http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/products/sp35-yukon-power-november-batch-1) are your best and only real options currently.

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

2btc/TH ?
only chips?

omg, too much :)

whats wrong with that? By the time you build a PCB, receive chips, and assemble the entire thing you'll have a device that costs only 3BTC/TH by late october!

It is November... anything in the wild besides the fubar version by Technobit (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=682105.msg9384483#msg9384483) that will certainly ship to you with significant delays?

F YOU scammers - reimburse people for your crap from last year. otherwise gtfo

You are supposed to forgive them now...it is different this time  8)

f*ck yifu and his shady bs outfit. scammer for life. he can shove his tech up his as* until he reimburses what he stole

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by     ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

Even though Yifu has left Avalon (Canaan Creative or whatever) all other particpants like ngzhang are responsible for the Scam of last year!  >:(

Avoid by all means! Scam!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 02, 2014, 06:06:39 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow continues to disappoint.

We have seen a number of companies do this. Fail to deliver and move on to the next chip with 100s or 1000s of unhappy customers still waiting for product. Black Arrow is a company that should be shut down and their executives brought to trial.


^^^ lol

But.... seeing as I took delivery of an X1 earlier this month it looks like I'll (allegedly) be missing out on a X1.5.

That's good. People who ordered after me get a more powerful product.
Feeling the love here  :-\

I ordered a year ago and have gotten nothing. No X3, no X1s. Now they talk about 14nm. What a joke. If they get one single preorder then i will have seriously lost faith in human intelligence.

My definition of a scam company is one that takes money from customers by deceiving them then, fails to provide anything of value in return.

Black Arrow's own contradictory words proves they are liars and covers the deception angle. I've received nothing of value in return for the money I paid almost a year ago, so there you go.

We have a proven scam company actively soliciting a million dollars+ from potential investors for vapour-ware miners made from Samsung wont give you 14nm in a month from now you fucking clowns ASICs.

Not to mention violating every consumer protection law in the book, mail fraud and tax evasion on the $90,000 in coins they mined.

To any potential investor I can guarantee they're going to be so in your face with the tens if not more millions of dollars they'll make off your investment while giving absolutely nothing in return for your cool mil. In-fact I wouldn't be surprised if they've even figured out a way to leave you with a bill to pay when all is said and done, you know just for that little extra bit of spite.


well, they sold these based on promises that they are not keeping.

they are violating consumer laws all over the world.

fraud?  as far as I'm concerned no doubt about it.  a company run by a known credit card fraudster that has done nothing but change his game to a new kind of scam as far as I'm concerned.

anyone that sends these people a dime at this point needs a CT scan. 

they failed technically with miners that start on fire, they failed logistically by being unable to develop this or ship this in any sort of reasonable timeframe and they have failed financially, by squandering their customers' money,  they have failed miserably in terms of customer service/relations.

To me it seems that they have failed in every aspect of this project and this business. 

anyone would be better of plunking that money down on the craps table than investing with a  company with a performance record like this.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Blazed on November 02, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
Keep up the nice work...this guide is pretty much spot on.

You should add more companies though...
Bit crane seems legit
Hashra does not seem legit


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: PatMan on November 02, 2014, 01:15:39 PM
Keep up the nice work...this guide is pretty much spot on.

Absolutely. Shows other "guides" out there to be what they actually are - paid advertisements by manufacturers employees. Good work.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 02, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Keep up the nice work...this guide is pretty much spot on.

You should add more companies though...
Bit crane seems legit
Hashra does not seem legit


At this point adding lower volume companies that have little or no comments from paying customers is an issue trying to have more of a customer centered perspective versus the paid review type option here in the forum. I think it is more representative to have customers views obviously. Low volume sellers I don't think is a good option given the higher volume quality, price and support currently available. Suffice to say BitCrane is not very well talked about here in Bitcointalk from customers.

Can you find a lot of responses from customers? BitCrane can't find more than 1 person who purchased from them. Hashra is mess but I will review their thread and see what if anything should be added. Again home mining is not a good way to invest in Bitcoin at this time. So not sure how long this mining section will last anyhow given there is now no way to get a return on buying miners.

But again if you can point me to a large volume of customer reviews I will certainly add those and others.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Blazed on November 02, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
Well home mining is dead for sure...I have free power and can barely turn a profit with used gear. I just do not understand why people still buy retail with a 0 chance of positive ROI. Either way miners are still selling so guides like this are needed.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 03, 2014, 04:07:31 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif   Black Arrow Fire Sale.

Do not buy new or used. Fire hazard!!!

So this latest unit to burst into flames didn't have the large green electrolytic capacitors and it was "CE" certified with the new PSU?

http://s15.postimg.org/54lqtw3uz/plugin_view_php_mod_view2_id_141500515794400.jpg


It seems so.  the guy said he got it on October 31.  That picture looks very much like the pics the first guy posted also.

I fixed the image for you so that it'll load better.

http://ecointalk.net/topic/1739-my-prospero-x3-stop-working-have-image/?p=21070

Quote
Shitaki, on 03 Nov 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:
Are you saying that BOTH of your X-3 modules caught fire?
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robotbtc said: Yes sir BOTH X-3 modules caught fire.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 04, 2014, 02:03:52 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit.eu continues to ignore customers questions.

The group buy that minersource and technobit.eu continues to underwhelm customers and the community. Avoid these entities if at all possible.



I appreciate Marto's and technobit's intention to provide an open,  transparent process.  This question should be easy to answer.  Could you answer it please?

Hello? How far behind are you guys, exactly?  Is there any way to get specific information on our orders?

?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 04, 2014, 02:15:03 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL is circling the drain.

FTC is seeking approval for the transfer of BFL assets so that they can finally start reimbursing all customers that were never compensated adequately by BFL.

BFL gave  Lykle de Vries (http://www.lykledevries.nl/) aka SLok bitcoins and miners in compensation for lying for the BFL in Bitcointalk and BFL forums for years. He is a thief and should comply with the FTC order to return assets so customers can be reimbursed what they are owed.

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.123.0.pdf

ORDER GRANTING MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF TRANSFER PROTOCOL AND
METHODOLOGY FOR TRANSFER OF ASSETS TO COURT CONTROL


This matter is before the Court on the Motion for Approval of Transfer Protocol and
Methodology for Transfer of Assets to Court Control, filed by the Temporary Receiver Eric L.
Johnson (“Temporary Receiver”), on October 29, 2014. Doc. #122. The Court finds that the
Motion should be granted.

The Stipulated Interim Order empowered Temporary Receiver to manage all assets of
BFL and to manage and administer the business of BFL. Doc. #54 at §§ X(B), X(H). The order
also authorized the Temporary Receiver to “begin establishing an adequate cash reserve to cover
potential refund liability. In this respect and under the supervision of Temporary Receiver, the
following actions may occur immediately . . . Conversion of Receivership Defendant’s
substantial bitcoin holdings to cash on a systematic and reasoned basis.” Doc. #54 at § XI(E)(4)

The Stipulated Interim Order requires all parties to “cooperate in transferring
Receivership Defendant’s bitcoins to a Court-controlled bitcoin wallet, under the direction and
supervision of Temporary Receiver. Temporary Receiver may hire independent professionals
and/or contractors, as he deems necessary, to ensure safe and secure transfer of bitcoins.” Doc.
#54 at § XI(C)(5).

IT IS ORDERED that the Temporary Receiver’s proposed Transfer Protocol containing
the methodology for transferring bitcoins held in Receivership Defendant Butterfly Labs Inc.
(BFL)’s Storage Wallet to a Court-controlled bitcoin wallet, Doc. #122 and Ex. A thereto, is
approved.





Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 04, 2014, 03:13:00 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Customers for the Block Erupter Prisma distributed by Phasebird / iAsicminer concerned about late shipments and little communication.

We will need to monitor the situation and this is why I wanted to separate out ASICminer with any entity charged with distribution, which is iAsicminer, and not ASICMiner proper. It is unfortunate this is happening I would like to review more customers comments before changing this companies rating, iASICminer that is.

This is the email we sent Phasebird this morning. Including here to escalate greater transparency for all ASICMiner customers.

Quote
Good morning,
This is Ronald again, it has been nearly a month since our order was placed, and since that point we have not received any replies from you. Keeping tabs on your thread at Bitcointalk shows only one brief reply to the thread acknowledging the delay from Phasebird on October 25th. I had to go to ASICMiner's Facebook page to read friedcat's explanation of the issues with the BE200.

We are extremely disappointed in the lack of professionalism ASICMiner has demonstrated with this product launch, and the lack of communication that typically follows scam pre-orders, not legitimate sales. At nearly 15 BTC per order, you are not dealing with small home miners who have limited funds at risk, or who are only interested in small batches of hardware.

We fully expect an update today via email, and an update to your customers who you owe a response to on your Bitcointalk thread. We likewise fully expect compensation in the form of a partial refund and coupons -if- we decide to do business with you again, although from the irresponsible manner this launch has been handled, that is unlikely.

With a MOQ of 10 miners, and a minimum purchase price of 14.9 BTC, this level of delay is entirely unacceptable. If you are unable to respond to your customers' inquiries today, we will bring the matter up directly with friedcat in an attempt to arbitrate a solution, preferably one which does not attach ASICMiner's name to a product that, at present, entirely lacks customer support or feedback.

This has been a very disappointing experience for us in relation to ASICMiner, and future purchases will likely require the use of an escrow service to keep you honest and communicative, since apparently your priorities lie elsewhere from your hardware sales customers, and if that is the case, then I have to wonder if this is how ASICMiner will treat their investors after the IPO investments are raised.

To help improve our transparency in this exchange, I am going to make this an open letter and include it on the Bitcointalk thread verbatim to this email, but I still expect a reply via email today with regard to our hardware order.

Sincerely,
Ronald (Praeluceo)

This is why you NEVER pre order mining gear... Not sure how many times it needs to be posted for people to let it sink in...

I totally agree Blazedout419, and I do not participate in pre-orders. I have had great success with ASICMiner and Bitmain hardware in the past, both companies have been very straight forward with issuing refunds on delayed hardware, and coupons for loyal customers. The Prisma was not represented to be a pre-order however. The posted shipping date was October 8th, which was right around when we placed our order. The expectation being that this would be like my other purchases from ASICMiner, where the order is placed, and then shipped within the next few days.

Brief
...
Round 1 Sales

Shipping date: 8th October, 2014 to 27th October, 2014
...
General Policy
1. Payment before shipping. The shipping order follows the payment order.

2. No refunds after the generation of tracking numbers.

3. If the corresponding tracking number has not been generated, we provide full refund starting from 27th October.
(The nominal refund amount follows the actual payment method, for example, 1 BTC refund for 1 BTC payment, 4k
USD refund for 4k USD payment)
...
Purchasing Procedure
1. Contact customer service via forum, email, IM or phone.
2. Fill the order details in the form provided by the customer service. (name/address/zip code/phone/email)
3. Pay according to the Bitcoin address given by the customer service.
4. Check for the tracking number when we start shipping.
5. Ask for refunds starting from 27th October if the tracking number has not been generated at that time.

However their ship date is now almost a month past, with only one official word from Phasebird, and it didn't articulate what sort of issue they had with the BE200s and their hashing board solution. We sent multiple e-mails to Phasebird when our order didn't ship, we got a re-negotiated ship date (the 15th) which slipped without response, and when the 27th came and went, we requested a status update again, and still no reply. So now I've made our latest inquiry to phasebird public, and subsequent correspondence will be handled directly with ASICMiner.

In the future, it seems that we will have to use escrow services even with previously reputable companies unless they actually have hardware that has already shipped. Batch #1 always gets burned, but for one of 2 ASIC manufacturers that I trust, this has been a terrible experience.

Edit to add this criminal investigation started against Black Arrow in the UK.

Got an update in regard to my fraud case i opened with the police, It's been passed now to thames valley police and things look like they are picking up.

04 November 2014

Dear Mr Kennerley

NFRC141000810656

I’m writing to inform you about the current position of your report.

Experts at the National Fraud Intelligence Bureau (NFIB) have reviewed the information and have found enough evidence for a possible police investigation. I am pleased to inform you your report has been sent to Thames Valley Police, who have recorded it under: • reference : awaiting local reference number allocation - in process

Thames Valley Police is responsible for any resulting investigation and for providing you with further updates to your report. Their contact details are details:

• Thames Valley Police by email at affect@thamesvalley.pnn.police.uk or

• by phone 01865 841148

When you contact Thames Valley Police, please give them your reference number (above).

If you would like more information on how to protect yourself from fraud, there is information

on the Action Fraud website at or you can call them on 0300 123 2040.

Thank you again for taking the time to report and helping us to make the UK a safer place for you and others.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 05, 2014, 07:41:46 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit.eu not answering customers emails or posts.

Seems to be an ongoing mess with the operation of many of the Technobit.eu products requiring a lot of hand holding and reworking as well as RMA's. Unlike other fabricators where it is simply plug and play.

I hooked up my 3e miner today and im having some issue's with it..

it can not run on the default clock and voltage settings. it preforming 20 to 50% less than my other 2 and it cant run on lower clock setting like my other 2 miners can.. ?


Technobit.

I still did not recieve an answer to my problem.
Send you an email a week ago, no reply.. !!

And finally a customer gives up trying to get their boards.

I still waiting for technobit to shipped 67 more boards to me.  I would really like to transfer ownership to someone else. I'm asking $12,000 for 67 HEX4M boards, that's 26,800GH. Or make an offer I can't refuse.  BTC preferred, your choice of escrow.  Thank you..

Another ordered in August promised September shipment now November.

Has my order WDCXLFPXA been shipped yet? I placed this order for a HEX16E on the 4th of August, was told about the problems with it and it should be shipped at the end of September. Since then, nothing, not even an reply to my emails. My previous orders arrived ok so why not this one? I want my miner.

Same question again and again and again.

Marto any news when my 25 boards are gonna be shipped


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 06, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Minersource highly questionable tactics.

There have been many complaints and they still continue to put out dogshit after steaming pile of dogshit excuses for failures.

Pieces of shit and utter liars...

How did your refusal of your miners go? Did it get a rise out of the dickheads at MS?

After refusing the package, which should never have been sent to me, and contacting them several times I received the following template mail. Notice how they didn't even bother to remove the first line and fill in the _<..>_ blanks..  :-\ :


Quote
<ONLY INCLUDE IF THEY CONTACTED YOU; DELETE IF YOU SIMPLY REFUSED A DELIVERY REFUSAL NOTICE: Thank you for contacting us regarding our shipment of your pre-ordered mining equipment.> We understand that you have refused delivery and instructed the shipping company to return the equipment to us. We are sorry that you are unhappy with your order, but we are not able to refund the value of your order if you cancel it. We did our best in a challenging situation to deliver your _<units>__ as quickly as possible, and had even worked with our supplier to add an additional __<X>__ units to your order, free of charge. These additional units were included in the shipment we sent to you. While we appreciate and acknowledge that the wait has been longer than you had hoped, this was a “pre-order” of mining equipment which, according to the terms of purchase posted on our site when you placed your order, is non-refundable if cancelled. Those terms (www.minersource.net/____) explicitly notified buyers that delivery dates were not guaranteed, and that buyers should not rely on them as a factor in making the decision to place an order with us. We will initiate delivery of the shipment to you again at no additional shipping charge within 5 days of the date of this communication unless you provide notice to us in writing that you are not interested in receiving the equipment, in which case we will provide you with in-store credit in the amount of your original purchase, less the shipping fees, instead. Again, we are sorry that this order took so long to fulfil, and encourage you to contact us with any additional questions.

Thomas Salvatore
Head of Logistics
support@minersource.net

I've been very patient the first 6 months after ordering but my patience has turned into anger. All they have to do is send me a refund and it's finished. In the meantime I contacted 3 different consumer organizations and will continue to do everything until I get my $ back.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 08, 2014, 06:44:20 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  iAsicminer or Asicminer... where does the problem sit right now?

What are customers thinking about iAsicminer and Asicminer and the Block Erupter Prisma at this time?

Seems to be a lot of problems but should we change the rating to THUMBS down for iAsicminer and Asicminer based on these problems or are they working to resolve all these issues customers are having?

I am seeing a lot of mixed messages in the threads. Canary in the Mine group buy for the Block Erupter Prisma seems to working well and there are few issues. As always Canary is on top of his game and gets things out as soon as possible.

Hey Canary -

Thanks for the group buy!

Any thoughts on the current leadtime?  I mean if I were to order today will it be a week out or more still?

TIA!
That's a question for ASICMiner.  They have posted some info regarding shipping delays etc... on their threads. I can tell you that once inventory arrives it's shipped out in the order of payments.
thanks

However there is a lot of chatter and issues with iAsicminer and Phasebird as well as some criticism against Asicminer and FriedCat.

Has anyone heard from FC or Phasebird? I have 4 dead boards and getting NO response from AM, did they finally collapse under the weight of their GIANT heads? 30PH/a month my A$$, ton of garbage boards shipped.

Question is this a Phasebird issue or a direct Asicminer FriedCat issue?

Are they not a different company and Phasebird and iAsicminer are distributors of Asicminer products?

----

How deep does the problem go?

I see that Canary in the Mine has few issue shipping units or am I mistaken?

Is shipping 1 month late?
Are customers going to be compensated?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 16, 2014, 08:28:09 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  BFL is certainly in good company being mentioned with Shavers who has already been ordered by a federal court in Texas to give up more than $40 million and pay a $150,000 penalty in a related civil case.

Quote
the agency’s (FTC) claims that it (BFL) defrauded 20,000 customers by accepting between $20 million and $50 million and failing to deliver the equipment or sending worthless equipment. (http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article3600853.html)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 22, 2014, 01:11:22 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit.eu not answering customers emails or posts.

The pain continues for some customers. Avoid Technobit.eu people. Too many have failed to heed the warnings.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/technobit_zpsd6253dd9.png


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 23, 2014, 04:18:38 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif How the community works to protect consumers: Be careful if you buy miners. Be careful if you buy cloud hashing contracts.

You really need to be careful of reading threads that are intended on providing "consumer information" that are really bought and paid for by fabricators to hide the reality of that mining is really dead for the smaller home users and smaller farms. These posts should show consumers that not everyone here in Bitcointalk Hardware are about pushing more and more product. Some are seriously concerned with the consumer information and protection. Please take these posts seriously.


I am actually considering making a thread that is not BFL related to stuff all the reporting agencies available to help consumers who buy stuff, but don't get it, or don't get it on time.

Then I might ask the Mods to sticky it for future reference. (no discussion allowed)
That would be a great service to the bitcoin community.  I think there are two major dynamic shifts that happened this year, and many who are new to bitcoin may not understand them.

The first is that many (not all, I'm sure) of the hardware producers are in fact self-equipping mining operations.  Their interest in customers, if it ever existed in the first place, is probably viewed today as little more than a source of interest free, off-books, financing.  In the limit, the real too-clever-by-half guys probably even imagine that they can pay those loans back with obsolete equipment they have depreciated from using it in their own mining.

Differentiation of the hardware companies along those lines would be very beneficial, and a source of how those preyed upon can seek redress would be even more important.

The second major dynamic, of course, is that self-mining is rapidly dying in the exponential growth of the hash power / difficulty.  Anyone with a static endowment of hash power in their basement is facing a productive half life measured in months if not weeks.

That wouldn't likely be a theme of what you're talking about, but anyone who read such a thread would, probably, figure out the common denominator:  guys who had to wait for their hardware had no return at all.  Unless totally blinded by greed, the extrapolation to "guys who would have gotten it right away would still have little return" would follow (unless lied to by the vendors in forecasts).

"many (not all, I'm sure) of the hardware producers are in fact self-equipping mining operations"

I would say that all are except perhaps SpondooliesTech and there are many that still hide this fact from consumers all the while mining people's hardware. Especially any of the smaller outfits with high board turnover. Using a smaller customer base to feed off of them more aggressively all the while hiding their mining operations. Typically anyone with significant delays in shipping are obviously pulling a skim on those miners if delays exceed 6-10 weeks the honey pot range for any new board.


=====

Good Video Discussion on Mining and BFL Fraud.


The Bitcoin Group #49 -- BFL Shutdown (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNj8IUE9IMU#t=790)

Code:
Streamed live on Sep 26, 2014
Donate: 18EQEiQBK1X2DyDL5Y18j78iw4NuNHoLej

Featuring… Kristov Atlas (http://anonymousbitcoinbook.com/),
Chris Ellis (http://chrisellis.me), Blake Anderson (https://www.facebook.com/GotBlake),
Will Pangman (http://tapeke.com/), Bryce Weiner (https://twitter.com/BryceWeiner)
and Thomas Hunt (http://madbitcoins.com).

Go to minute 13:17: Interesting review of the FTC action on BFL.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112594/butterfly-labs-finally-has-wings-clipped (http://cointelegraph.com/news/112594/butterfly-labs-finally-has-wings-clipped)


Go to minute 22:47: Blake compares his ROI to his BFL investment vs. just buying BTC. It cost him $350,000 USD buying into BFL lies. The FTC needs to talk to Blake Anderson if they haven't already.

Go to minute 25:10: Will gives you the clear answer when it is ok to Pre-order mining gear. Keep that in mind when you read Technobit.eu threads and others with only a few positive customers commenting on how great they are. They are insiders.

Minute 30:00 end of BFL and pre-order mining gear talk.

#askftc


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on November 25, 2014, 04:55:11 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit has still not delivered a customer 51 boards.

Marto any news when my 25 boards are gonna be shipped


Waiting for 51 boards over here, any news?

Then claims of censorship... tsk tsk tsk.

Hi Marto


When i get my money back and you stop deleting my posts?


Claims are true. SNIP SNIP goes that post. What is Technobit hiding? Disgruntled customers yet again.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 05, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit yet again disappoints.

My board broke and marto stopped replying :(

How do people get in touch with Marto?  I've sent him two PMs in the past week and nothing.  Still waiting about half a year for a project that was supposed to take two weeks,  and can't get a status update from him.

As Technobit moves on to other products they keep forgetting their current customers.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 09, 2014, 06:11:35 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif What other guides refuse to acknowledge or incorporate into their guides, the repeated and blatant Technobit fraud. It is shameful.

I'm still waiting for 51 boards from Technobit.  Anyone wanna buy them?  $100/ea. if you take the whole lot.  13.63 BTC  Please please please let me out of this bitcoin hell.

I'm still waiting for 51 boards from Technobit.  Anyone wanna buy them?  $100/ea. if you take the whole lot.  13.63 BTC  Please please please let me out of this bitcoin hell.

I stuck with Black Arrow and I can't get out either, still waiting...   >:(

Getting Minersource the first test boards they were supposed to have seen the last week of July would have been a great PR stunt as well, but I guess by then that group run was already bought and paid for?

Hey marto, we're still willing to help out with the US-bound workload. Maybe communicating with us or minersource would do some good? Nobody's heard from you about that in a month.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 11, 2014, 10:18:01 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif ASICMiner doing what it can to rectify issues with old Prisma. This is how good companies stay good companies.

There were a number of issues as we noted from consumers a few months back and it is nice to see that Asicminer is stepping up admitting problems and looking to compensate their customers.


Till now we received enough returned Prismas to get a statistical conclusion.
We decide that the old Prisma design has some flaws in both firmware and hardware.
Therefore manually fixing them and shipping them back take too long and are
not good for both our customers and us.

So the customers can choose one in the two offerings below:

1. We buy back the Prismas at the original price the customers pay.
The customers only need to ship the controller and the hashing boards back.
The fans and heatsinks are not needed. Customers who already shipped them back
can also switch to this option.

2. We use revised version of Prismas based on our new power management chips
to replace old ones, instead of returning old designs or replacing. This version is very
stable and has no problem of hashrate loss/overheat/can't identify boards/etc.
The compensation method for mining time loss is the same as before.

We cover shipping fee of both, if you can provide the shipping label.

We are very sorry for all the problems brought with the old version Prisma. The revised Prisma with our
own power management chips is much more stable. So if you are still able to put some trust on it and
accept the waiting of compensation (it accumulates with each delayed date anyway), you can choose
the second.

Please email us to sale@bitquan.com with the following information and format:

* Personal info,shipping address,tel number
* Date of buying our Prisma
* Your previous individual/exclusive btc payment address
* Number of broken Prsima boards (have to be fit well with the number you shipped back)
* Date you received your miners,date of shipping back
* The picture of the shipping label with the shipping price on it
* Your btc receivable address. it will be best to be the one you paid to us before. If the btc
receiving address is different, please sign the message with your address used for payment if you could.

For customers who already shipped back, please mail to us again (sale@bitquan.com) about the choice
you want to take.

Phasebird will reply afterwards with the new shipping address within US and EU. It
allows quicker turn-around time.


https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Skeptical customer warns community not to get too positive:

I just submitted my info for compensation to sale@bitquan.com again. I am still skeptical till I get a reply back or see something in my wallet.

Keep us informed about your status please.!

You can count on that!

Good customer service!

I really wish people would read what's going on before praising AM. Many people have had issues, then when we try to contact AM for a solution we get silence or a promise that isn't kept.

Recap on my situation. Prismas arrived Nov 6 and caught fire Nov 10th in 75f weather. I was instructed to return the damaged boards keeping the good ones and that a new prisma would be sent as compensation. The damaged board was sent back and cleared HK customs Nov 18th. Nov 24th I finally get a reply from AM regarding my inquiry to them receiving my defective unit, they asked for a tracking number then went silent. Several emails and PM's later and I get a reply on Nov 29th that replacement boards not a prisma were shipped to CrazyGuy. Replacement board arrives Dec 6th, many emails and PM's later and this thread is the first response I have seen regarding compensation.

Good customer service requires communication. I will work with people and understand when things need to change but it needs to be communicated. Promising one thing then going silent for days and weeks especially with time sensitive equipment like this is not good customer service.


Also noted that they are working on a new chip. BE300 check it out here. This might put SpondooliesTech on notice that Asicminer is not just a has been chip fabricator. Seems very interesting they are going to have something out before SPTech's newer chips.

We are glad to announce ASICMiner's 4th generation chip. From the physical testing data
of our verification sample, BE300S, the silicon results matches the simulation results faithfully,
and even outperforms our simulation in some cases. BE300S achieved the lowest energy
consumption per gigahash in existing market, getting the joule/gh ratio down below 0.2.

Furthermore, our string-based power solution eliminates almost all power losses and almost
all electric components on the board. Therefore on-wall power consumption would be very close
to (on-chip power/PSU efficiency), and the overall system cost is squeezed to its minimum.

Name: BE300S (Sample)

Technology: TSMC 28nm HPC

Package: FCLGA 5mm x 5mm

On chip efficiency (first board):
    3.0GH/s | 0.1872W/G
    4.8GH/s | 0.2275W/G
    5.2GH/s | 0.2469W/G

On board efficiency (average of 4 boards):
    2.8GH/s | 0.1961W/G
    3.2GH/s | 0.2026W/G
    3.6GH/s | 0.2095W/G
    4.0GH/s | 0.2145W/G
    4.8GH/s | 0.2204W/G
    5.2GH/s | 0.2257W/G
    5.6GH/s | 0.2314W/G
    6.4GH/s | 0.2363W/G
    6.8GH/s | 0.2439W/G
    7.2GH/s | 0.2495W/G

We are still testing more voltage-frequency combinations, as well as more chips.
But the test results are stable and solid so far.

After the thorough testing of single chip boards, we are going to test boards with chained chips.

Single chip board picture:
http://i61.tinypic.com/28k6m51.jpg

Testing going on:
http://i61.tinypic.com/npp9o1.jpg

More data and pictures are to be updated.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 23, 2014, 09:20:35 AM
 The gold rush days of bitcoin mining are over, and not because of the price (http://qz.com/316898/the-gold-rush-days-of-bitcoin-mining-are-over-and-not-because-of-the-price/)

Why are you still playing in the mining game?

At this point it makes little or no sense to continue mining on the small inefficient scales of even anything less than a few petahash and that number continues to grow even as the hash rate levels out.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 23, 2014, 12:54:07 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Why is Spondoolies Tech leading the ASIC arms race? Best equipment?

No.

Although they probably have the best units out there it is their customer service that kicks ass. Professionalism doesn't take much effort does it? Fixing a customers problem even when they (the customer voids the warranty) are at fault is exemplary for a company. Why are others not competing with SPTech on this level?

Big difference right now is SPtech employees / executives have a real hands on approach and depth of the knowledge about their products that is unmatched by their competitors who have inadequate or poor spokes people that are not even employees. Might be time for the competition to copy SPTech or be left behind.

[imghttp://i.imgur.com/3NeiVUI.jpg[/img]
modules and controller is fine, will it still cover in warranty if I replace the sockets my self?

How did that happen?
everything is just fine for a week, but this morning smells like shit!

I know that smell  ;D

PSUs ok? What cable gauge? What PSU model? Cables came with the PSU?
PSU is ok, because both PSU and cables is not mine so im not sure the cable gauge but im sure they is not came with PSU
PSU:Super Flower Leadex Platinum 1200W
Our connectors are subtitle for up to 24A each and were tested in such condition at ambient of 40C.
Issue might be caused due to:
1. loose connectivity between the wire and the pin.
2. dis-connectivity of some of the wires causing over current on the connected wires.
3. over powering the PSU causing heat on wires to melt the connectors - can be for example due to wrong AWG or connectors that are not suitable for high power.
4. home made cables with long wires and unsuitable connector/wires.

Can you reply the following:
1. what was the power limit per each of the 4 inputs? (this is defined at the GUI)
2. did you use the ATX original cables?
3. what is the cable AWG?
4. what was the ambient temperature?

We'll check the PSU model you were using.
Please contact support for RMA, don't attempt to fix yourself. We kindly ask that you'll the PSU and cables for us for further testing.

Guy
1.all 288w but only use 230~270w report from ASIC stats
2.no (but cable that of the picture is)
3.I cant tell, maybe 10AWG or 9AWG
4.32C report from another working SP20

i don't wanna go RMA because i think the problem is on my plugs, if you give me a new one that is really not fair to you, i just want to keep this miner cover in warranty after i replaced the socket myself.
Indeed, it's most probably a problem with your cables.
Use of improper cables voids the warranty of course.
However, we want to investigate to be 100% sure.
Out of 1,000s of SP20 we sold, this is the first reported instance.
I'm offering you free RMA nevertheless, all we want is the PSU and cables.

Guy
but the PSU is my friend's, could you send it back to me after the testing?

Sure.

Further evidence... when asked about CRM this is what Wh00per said:

Bicknellski,

What I'm looking at when dealing with a support team (be that from Dell, SP-tech, IBM, SAP, HP, BITMAIN) is for a generic procedure which can be recorded and it's results evaluated. The saying "we're learning from our mistakes" is more to the point than ever. Unfortunately you can't have production in numbers and no failures. Especially when the units you build rely on the performance of numerous vendors you can't actually control.

That being said, a good support team is respectful with the customer buying their products, follows rigid rules in solving issues (scripted questionnaires, recording results, opinions and product failures case by case, escalation when necessary) so that they improve their response time, do not argue and or embarrass the customer and builds a body of knowledge in the process to support their products. It might seem funny, but the rules are implemented mostly due to the fact that someone is interested to measure and improve their performance and professionalism as well as to cut the overall support costs, as much as possible.

I won't go through my history in dealing with the support teams from F500 companies, however recently, I finalized an RMA process with SP-Tech. Let me tell you that those people are really interested in learning what went wrong with the units they sold and why that happened, they try to establish failure patterns and everything gets recorded in their systems. They're courteous and serviceable even outside the business hours, even late at night (due to the time difference Israel / North America). If you have their support contacts (Mike & Sonya) in your skype client .. you can see they're taking turns and are available most of the day time. When you talk with them you can feel that they're proud of being there and their success is SPT's success.

Missing emails at support@ is not an big issue, mostly because of the sheer number of messages going in and out. Eventually you get your turn. No one said it's next day support. But they try. When I have something important to deal with, I learnt to be persistent and/or contact them through every public channel available (skype, email, forum, enlarged team). In the end, someone answers and puts me on the right track. Even then, they seem happy they could help and do not let me drop until I'm satisfied with their answers. There's no difference between their support quality and Dell support, provided by Unisys .. in either case, I'm not feeling sorry for myself when I try to speak with them because of a miner/server issue.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: PatMan on December 23, 2014, 02:34:44 PM
Absolutely excellent customer support. Compare this to other, well known hardware manufacturers "support" personnel who simply go about the forums neg-repping anyone who isn't happy or disagrees with them in some way - it's a no contest.

I've been reliably informed that the company I refer to will/should be rectifying this situation soon, but as the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. As you rightly say, other manufacturers need to step up or get left behind.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 24, 2014, 06:23:15 PM
Absolutely excellent customer support. Compare this to other, well known hardware manufacturers "support" personnel who simply go about the forums neg-repping anyone who isn't happy or disagrees with them in some way - it's a no contest.

I've been reliably informed that the company I refer to will/should be rectifying this situation soon, but as the saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. As you rightly say, other manufacturers need to step up or get left behind.

I guess you are talking about Dogie. Seems like he has been using the moderator button to cull threads maybe the Mods would like to have a long look at thread bumping he is doing for all his clients. Before culling this thread for questionable content. Laughable. What is wrong Dogie don't like people commenting in my thread about your questionable behavior?

Oh man, I just read through some of dogies updated "trustworthiness" guide - it's hilarious.... :D :D

Seems pretty obvious what's going on there:

Dogie gets free mining gear from manufacturer - manufacturer gets a higher ranking.
Dogie gets paid/accepts bribe from manufacturer - manufacturer gets a higher ranking.

It ain't no guide, that's for sure, not by a long shot. Who ever pays the most gets a better advert. What ever credibility dogie had with his guides went down the drain the moment he started accepting "payments" & sucking up to manufacturers for freebies. It's a sickening sell out of a thread.

With regards to the Hashcoins fake stats & doctored screenshots (which they obviously are), they've publicly promised dogie some free hardware - so there's absolutely no way he's gonna risk losing that by telling the truth & down marking them accordingly, he'd rather try and argue with the likes of software devs, hardware devs, forum moderators & pretty much anyone else on the forum than do that - it's a joke.

Similar story goes for Bitmain. Bitmain sat back for over 3 weeks while their customers downloaded broken/untested S3 firmware (again) that either bricked or slowed down their miners by a massive amount. During that time they didn't respond to a single complaint, ignored requests to remove it from their site & still haven't released an apology to the 100's of customers who's miners they f*cked up - and it's still on their website for anyone to download! What does dogie do? He increases their ranking. Absolutely freaking hilarious  :D :D  

Is it an honest review? - is it f*ck..
Does Bitmain pay him? - of course they do. Again, he's not going to risk that nice little pay-check by telling the truth - no way.

This is the only truly unbiased & independent news/review thread on the whole forum. You sing for no company & no man - you tell it how it is with quotes & links from forum members - huge respect to you & keep up the excellent work here.

Thanks for commenting on my thread. If you have complaints about Dogie take them to his thread. That be best. That way he can click the moderator button and cull that thread instead of this one.

Your comments about Bitmain are relevant and I have seen a lot of issues but Bitmain has been working on the issues it hasn't been a 100% ignore like Technobit or BFL. My understanding is Dogie is supposed to help Bitmain in these forums not sure how much he has helped them given the huge backlash but that is something they might want to fix along with all the other CRM issues. My take when I met Bitmaintech in HK was that they are very much a company trying to get a handle on CRM and will do what they can to compete with Spondoolies. Let us hope things get better because we need more competition in the marketplace not less.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Here is an example just today of a win for the customer after Bitmain rectified it.

@shoemakerbruce,

Something must went really wrong here and apology...

Would you please check your PM.  Sent you a contact info.  Lets resolve this.


These peeps made good!  I am 100% happy, my issues rectified and I have been "made whole" in EVERY way.  SALUTE!   8)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Although problems persist.

I do really like bitmain, they are one of the better asic manufacturers out there. That being said, their return/rma process and procedure is awful and it's nearly impossible to get support. I had a unit that showed up with a capacitor that was broken off, when I went back to them for a replacement, they told me to press hard on the chips. I even had pictures showing the damaged component on the board with big red arrows pointing at it.  I finally gave up after a month of emailing back and forth. So, I would forget about trying to get anything fixed or returned to them. Junk it and buy another and chalk it up to the cost of mining.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on December 25, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
Thank you for pointing out these.  We are working on getting things better  ;)

If there was any issues with Antminer Products, please contact +1-844-248-6246 Option 2. 

If the line is busy, or no answer, please leave a message and one of the techs will reach out to you.

If you spotted someone (newbies) who can't reach us for whatever the reasons, if you could refer them to BitmainWarranty, via PM or whatever the method it is, we will pick up from there!






Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on December 25, 2014, 11:29:04 PM
That way he can click the moderator button and cull that thread instead of this one.

Wait, dogie has moderator powers? Am I understanding this right?

So, he's deleting posts he doesn't like then leaving negative feedback on whoever he likes for posting?

He's neg-rep'd me already for pointing out his errors, it better not be him who's deleting my posts as well........ >:(


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on December 25, 2014, 11:45:32 PM
That way he can click the moderator button and cull that thread instead of this one.

Wait, dogie has moderator powers? Am I understanding this right?

So, he's deleting posts he doesn't like then leaving negative feedback on whoever he likes for posting?

He's neg-rep'd me already for pointing out his errors, it better not be him who's deleting my posts as well........ >:(
No, he is just excessively (and obsessively) using "Report to Moderator".
Three of my posts were deleted recently, I believe all of them were reported by him. All of them innocent.

Edit:
If you have (a lot...) of free time, you'll enjoy the following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898999.msg9890185#msg9890185


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on December 26, 2014, 12:41:25 AM
Edit:
If you have (a lot...) of free time, you'll enjoy the following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898999.msg9890185#msg9890185

I just couldn't resist posting in it....... :D :D


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 26, 2014, 02:55:30 AM
Thank you for pointing out these.  We are working on getting things better  ;)

If there was any issues with Antminer Products, please contact +1-844-248-6246 Option 2.  

If the line is busy, or no answer, please leave a message and one of the techs will reach out to you.

If you spotted someone (newbies) who can't reach us for whatever the reasons, if you could refer them to BitmainWarranty, via PM or whatever the method it is, we will pick up from there!

Will do Bitmain... as I have for Spondoolies before I do enjoy getting both your customers help if in distress.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 26, 2014, 07:46:10 AM
Edit:
If you have (a lot...) of free time, you'll enjoy the following thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=898999.msg9890185#msg9890185

I just couldn't resist posting in it....... :D :D

Yes that is the right spot to complain about Dogie's spam. It seems now he is replying to every Bitmain thread now with one liners.

Amazing bumpage.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 26, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Paid Spokesman and spam on Hardware threads hurts Bitmain

As stated in this thread it seems yet again Dogie has gone out of his way to stir trouble and bring negative comments down on Bitmain. Although it is clear Bitmain is working very hard to rectify problems.

No I mean Pat, or workinginconcertwithPat. This entire string is off topic though so please take it elsewhere.

That’s what I thought.

Seeing as you felt it appropriate & not off topic enough in the first place to try & demean my reputation by dragging my name into one of your arguments with another forum member again, on this very thread, I believe it is wholly appropriate to reply to your accusations on this thread.

I was recently contacted by both BitmainWarranty & Yoshi regarding your insulting & accusatory behaviour towards me & other forum members on this & other forum threads, both of whom have apologised on your behalf, not just for the negative & conspiracy based feedback you decided to leave on my trust rating - but also for your attitude in general. Both BitmainWarranty & Yoshi have been kind, helpful & understanding towards me throughout our various communications ever since I first became a customer of theirs - as one would expect from a Company of Bitmains stature. They also assured me that they would investigate your remarks & try to rectify the situation - it seems however that this has not yet happened, as you continue publicly to slur me & others at any & every opportunity you get.

I neither require, need or want any alias/shill/troll accounts as you so eloquently accuse me of having. Many manufacturers & forum members alike have all my personal details due to transactions done either directly with them or via my sales thread or my Amazon BTC service thread. Every transaction I have ever done on this forum has been without escrow - I deal entirely on trust, I also have a 100% trust rating on ebay. All these details are open & transparent for everyone to see on my threads - I have absolutely nothing to hide & have no wish to do so. Do you seriously think I would indulge in the activities you accuse me of & risk my reputation here?

Now, with regards to your latest insult:

The problem here is Dogie claims to remain indifferent in how it claims to rate each company. No individual can remain completely unbiased when you are employed by one of them. If you go through many of his posts in other forums, they are usually one liners auto scripted, at times taken out of context. In bitmain forums, he rarely helps anyone to completion. Rather he hands off the problem to bitmain directly, wasting everyone's time.

The final straw, he has insulted way too many people here. No company with any logic would hire him with his lack of community.

Pat, we all know what you're doing - you need to make some more accounts if you want to keep flaming from secret.

Dogie, please confirm that the highlighted text is a typo, that you actually meant pak as in pak13 the author of the text, and that you were in no way referring to me. Again.

Just to be ensure there is no confusion.

No I mean Pat, or workinginconcertwithPat. This entire string is off topic though so please take it elsewhere.

I have never had any contact with forum member pak13, but I will PM him/her a copy of this post & request that he/she makes it clear to you that there is no collusion/connection whatsoever between us & never has been - however they choose to do that it up to them, & weather you choose to believe it is up to you.
I will also send a copy of this post to BitmainWarranty & Yoshi, for the record, and formally demand that you not only make a public apology for your public outbursts against me & others on this & other threads, but also that you remove the negative & derogatory comments you have made on both this forum as well as my & others trust rating.

You seem to have convinced yourself that anyone who complains/disagrees/corrects or comments about you anywhere is actually me in disguise, which is deluded & worrying. The simple truth is dogie, is that I am not the only person on this forum who happens to have a similar point of view about you, and that number seems to be growing every day judging by the amount of feedback there is about you lately. You need to learn to accept the fact that when you are wrong or make stupid/derogatory/insulting comments against either Bitmain customers or people in general, they will reply to those remarks - and it is not because they are all me or because the world is colluding against you - it is because they have every right to do so.

I will not enter into any private PM conversation with you, so don’t bother. I want this to be open & transparent so that everyone can see what a complete idiot you have been, and continue to be. The sooner Bitmain do something about your disgusting & unsociable behaviour towards their customers, the sooner Bitmain can restore customers faith in their Support group. I can see they are trying to improve it already - but you seem intent on working against both them & their customer base, for whatever reason.

I'm not sure why Bitmain allow you to publicly insult their customers this way, but it really is time that they put a stop to it.

Others pile on Dogie.

OK, in the interest of keeping this civil, and because I too have had the pleasure of dogies confused accusations (see my banner) - I feel I should chip in with my 2 cents....mainly because I believe dogie has just gone too far this time. Read on.......

I was also contacted by both BitmainWarranty & Yoshi, prior I believe, to them contacting PatMan for the same reason - firmware issues & dogies attitude, which I discussed with them both. As PatMan has stated, both BitmainWarranty & Yoshi were very understanding, and yes, they both apologized to me also for dogies comments. I don't want to go into detail about what was agreed, I will leave that up to BitmainWarranty & Yoshi to do so if they feel obliged to. I also contacted PatMan after my discussion with them, urging him to divulge his grievances, which I understand he did & was happy with the outcome - as was I. Everything I said above can be confirmed by both BitmainWarranty & Yoshi if there are any doubters out there.

So now I log on & what do I see? Yet another baseless insult from dogie on the Bitmain thread. I feel that everything we discussed has just been abandoned, how can this possibly be of any help to Bitmain? What possible good can become of it? I actually feel sorry for Bitmain right now, they are trying their hardest to to restore customers faith - while dogie continues hurling insults & accusations on their very own thread(s).

If dogie thinks it's OK & "on topic" to insult people on Bitmain threads, but considers it "off topic" for his accused to counter his remarks & ask for an apology - then there is something definitely wrong here. Don't you think?

Thank you.

Bitmain responds:

Some demo units are underway, waiting on the tracking numbers to make sure it is on their way!

Thank you guys for the inputs...  May be I should start Bitmain Thread Security Force only if I had Mod Power   ;D ;D ;D  

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(Sorry not so being politically correct here, but we are working hardest to improve our customer service, technical support and after-sales services such as RMA)

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And more complaints re: dogie.

A little addition for you B:

I'm not going to discuss this any longer....

A discussion was not requested - an apology was.

....in this thread as its off topic.

What, so it's on topic when you post your accusation on this thread, but off topic for me to challenge you about it?:

Pat, we all know what you're doing - you need to make some more accounts if you want to keep flaming from secret.

If BitmainWarranty & Yoshi are decent enough to apologise for your behaviour on your behalf - the very least you can do is apologise for your own baseless accusations & insulting comments. Publicly. Then remove your offending feedback & derogatory posts about me & every other Bitmain customer/forum member you have insulted.

Then, maybe everyone will allow you to "let me please" - whatever the hell that means.  ::)

I have also posted the entire conversation here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=905210.0

Is there a distributor here in the states?  While the price with coupons is decent, the shipping makes it a no sale. YMMV, but the shipping doesn't work for me on the S3+, C1 or the S4. 

If Tech support is needed (not likely) they will actually help you...try getting support from bitmain -- they make it such a pain that you want to give up.

You mean like the 100s of Bitmain customers who get help every day? Ps, why was there so many blank lines after the end of your post?

They do both extremes.  I've had an S4 unit where one chip doesn't even show up.  After numerous emails, Yoshi went silent.  On the other hand, I've had bad S-1 controller that was bad and Bitmain shipped a replacement from CO as soon as I supplied a tracking number for the one I was sending back.

Dogie, your help has been less than stellar since taking on the job as mouthpiece for BM.  Some of your comments and suggestions have been out in left field.  I've enjoyed your guides and found them helpful. But I haven't found your BM job nearly as relevant.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on December 30, 2014, 06:11:40 AM
Moderators need to moderate rathering than let the hardware thread become a personal playground for specific fabricators.

This is relevant in my thread as it is becoming increasingly difficult for the community to effectively find information as the hardware forum is not well organized into the categories for consumers.

Suggest they have strict rules on Miner support vs Miner sales / specification threads.
Suggest they move guides and product reviews to a new section.
Suggest they enforce the spam rules particularly for those promoting their own threads and interests.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on January 02, 2015, 01:02:49 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif WARNING! Do not buy from Technobit.eu.

And still no love from Technobit.eu. I really must admit I didn't think it was possible for Technobit.eu to sink any lower.

The new year is upon us and i'm still waiting on 51 hex4m boards...
Have you tried asking in the other threads where your boards are?

I've asked directly through their support many many times. I've gotten told once they were on their way, but nothing ever showed up.  The answer I keep getting is they'll get back to me.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on January 11, 2015, 10:18:47 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow vs. Minersource... UGLY!

Trust neither that is the only sensible advice moving forward given all the posted information from customers of BOTH entities.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178?fref=nf

Quote
In attention to all Minersource customers:

Matt Carson from Minersource has managed to convince our customer support department that we owe them 250 X3 miners. Our customer support did not check if they are paid and partially shipped this order (137 miners were dispatched). These miners were NOT paid and upon confrontation with Matt Carson all communication went blank.

It has been 2 months since the event and we now assume that Minersource has no intention of paying the X3 miners that we have delivered. As it stands at the moment we are beginning legal procedures against Minersource in USA.

All customers who have ordered from Minersource and had not yet received their order should begin legal procedures against them as they will not receive anything else from Minersource.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on January 12, 2015, 12:58:46 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow vs. Minersource... UGLY!

Trust neither that is the only sensible advice moving forward given all the posted information from customers of BOTH entities.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Black-Arrow/477655819009178?fref=nf

Quote
In attention to all Minersource customers:

Matt Carson from Minersource has managed to convince our customer support department that we owe them 250 X3 miners. Our customer support did not check if they are paid and partially shipped this order (137 miners were dispatched). These miners were NOT paid and upon confrontation with Matt Carson all communication went blank.

It has been 2 months since the event and we now assume that Minersource has no intention of paying the X3 miners that we have delivered. As it stands at the moment we are beginning legal procedures against Minersource in USA.

All customers who have ordered from Minersource and had not yet received their order should begin legal procedures against them as they will not receive anything else from Minersource.

Ouch! And it's only going to get uglier.......


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on January 28, 2015, 10:27:05 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...
Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.
I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.

Snapshot of the manufacturers poll Philipma1957 ran before the mods killed it off

http://s26.postimg.org/ifuoknvk9/pool.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

I find the mods action unbelievable.

Guy

Edit:
I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on January 28, 2015, 10:35:30 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...
Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.
I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

The voice of the community before it was brutally shutdown:
http://s26.postimg.org/ifuoknvk9/pool.jpg


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on January 28, 2015, 10:39:05 AM
There is seemingly one person in particularly in bitcointalk that likes to hang himself with the rope he gives himself or shoots his own foot off with his own gun... this is certainly a case in point. It was ANYTHING but spam given the lax rules on that and how Dogie posts to bump his paying customers threads.

Nothing gained in deleting these poll posts other than to keep pointing out the inadequacy of the competition at the customer service level. Clearly the polls are embarrassing for most ASIC fabricators.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Dogie attempts to strangle the voice of the community.

It really should be worrying that Dogie a paid promoter is trying to degrade and stop open debate about the practices of the ASIC manfucturers.

Why should this community be held hostage to one view point on hardware?

Not looking to do this anymore.

 Since this was cancelled to be fair Spondoolies-Tech ask me to do the thread and poll.
...
Confirmed. I also asked Philip to post whatever questions he wants and to freely change our questions if he wants to.
I believe Dogie's thread become irrelevant.
I opened a meta thread to discuss the poll removal by the mods, without any explanation:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938782.0

Truly sad to see it closed.  I will not post my thoughts, just that I think someone has a lot of pull on what happens. Apparently this poll he did not like.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory

The voice of the community before it was brutally shutdown:
http://s26.postimg.org/ifuoknvk9/pool.jpg


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: philipma1957 on January 28, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
Bick it is really hard to make something work.

I have been called a minion of spondoolies-tech for posting the polls.
 I am about the deal for the miners what works best.
 BTW I have told more then one person to use this thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934581.0  for mining with a host.

I break down that if you have 11 cent or more power the thread above is better then in house mining.

I clearly show that this is better at the moment for a little guy to do over spondoolies-tech cloud mining offering.

So I am picking a China based person using s-5's over SP-techs cloud offerings.

I did this on multiple threads

twice on spondoolies main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10257658#msg10257658
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10273274#msg10273274

Guy was good enough to let it stay up on the thread.

right now mining is very hard for people to do.

 I looked at the hardware thread page 1.

 Fact 1)Very Slim pickings for gear choices.
        2) most threads have bitmaintech gear or sp-tech gear.
        3) no mechanism for up to date info on what to buy.

Yeah flaws abound for every builder of gear .
One way to make BTC stick around is to have a good forum not one with chiselers and hustlers.

Getting in the middle of this is not my desire but we need a way to inform people of what is worth while. here are  two flaw per each of the top 3 builders.

1) single biggest flaw for bitmaintech is if you gear is not working it is a real hassle.
2) firmware for bitmaintech is spotty.

1) sp-tech fucked up the summer launch of the sp-30 it was under specced
2) sp-tech was optimistic by saying the sp20 does 1700gh

1)asic miner has been late with the tube  and the prisma
2) a ton of asic miner gear runs hot melt downs popped caps etc.

I do not follow avalon or bit fury so it is not fair to complain about them or list two flaws.

Those 6 flaws I listed are true but I will guarantee you the very fact I put down only flaws will bring anger and denials. yada yada yada.

the 3 above are big sellers and have sold a lot of stuff to us miners.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on January 29, 2015, 04:42:01 AM
Whatever you need if I can offer assistance let me know we all know that only moving to a group or communal cloud for mining makes economic sense. 2000W is not enough power to see savings in a home or SOHO setting.

My view which is obviously shared and espoused on by Guy in his October talk video is that chasing ZERO $$$ electricity per kWh is the way to go. How?

Solar, Wind, Biodigestor gas gensets with mining providing additional heat to help keep digester temps optimal in winter.

Give me that solution and you will get on top of the problem of building only in Iceland for cooling. There is synergy in using farm waste and green energy solutions to make mining payoff more than just a straight up massive chicken farm or data center arrangement. If you are not working out how to get those electrical costs to ZERO you are going to lose in 2017.

Bick it is really hard to make something work.

I have been called a minion of spondoolies-tech for posting the polls.
 I am about the deal for the miners what works best.
 BTW I have told more then one person to use this thread


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934581.0  for mining with a host.

I break down that if you have 11 cent or more power the thread above is better then in house mining.

I clearly show that this is better at the moment for a little guy to do over spondoolies-tech cloud mining offering.

So I am picking a China based person using s-5's over SP-techs cloud offerings.

I did this on multiple threads

twice on spondoolies main thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10257658#msg10257658
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg10273274#msg10273274

Guy was good enough to let it stay up on the thread.

right now mining is very hard for people to do.

 I looked at the hardware thread page 1.

 Fact 1)Very Slim pickings for gear choices.
        2) most threads have bitmaintech gear or sp-tech gear.
        3) no mechanism for up to date info on what to buy.

Yeah flaws abound for every builder of gear .
One way to make BTC stick around is to have a good forum not one with chiselers and hustlers.

Getting in the middle of this is not my desire but we need a way to inform people of what is worth while. here are  two flaw per each of the top 3 builders.

1) single biggest flaw for bitmaintech is if you gear is not working it is a real hassle.
2) firmware for bitmaintech is spotty.

1) sp-tech fucked up the summer launch of the sp-30 it was under specced
2) sp-tech was optimistic by saying the sp20 does 1700gh

1)asic miner has been late with the tube  and the prisma
2) a ton of asic miner gear runs hot melt downs popped caps etc.

I do not follow avalon or bit fury so it is not fair to complain about them or list two flaws.

Those 6 flaws I listed are true but I will guarantee you the very fact I put down only flaws will bring anger and denials. yada yada yada.

the 3 above are big sellers and have sold a lot of stuff to us miners.




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 04, 2015, 02:46:56 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif SPTech continues to wow customers with superior customer service.

I could have titled this post or "What Dogie won't show you in his ratings about SPTech."

Just thought I'd drop by to congratulate Spondoolies-Tech on their superb customer support & efficient RMA process - truly excellent!

I lost a loop on one of my SP20E's, & after SPTech logged in remotely they quickly decided to RMA it after confirming the fault. I was sent details & info for shipping the unit back & as soon as I had sent them the tracking number they dispatched a replacement which I received yesterday (after a long & still ongoing argument with DHL - see below). Customer service like this is hard to find in the Bitcoin world & is the reason I will be using SPTech for my future mining hardware needs. Again, a big thank you to all SPTech staff - massive kudos  ;D

DHL - different story  >:(

They're still trying to charge me tax & import duty on the replacement unit, despite me sending them all the required documentation to prove that this was a replacement unit, the entire email conversation with SPTech & after SPTech kindly wrote to them to confirm what I had already explained to them on multiple occasions via email & phone conversations. Good luck with that DHL  ::)

Peace  :)

Edit: I don't see the 2.6.9 or 2.6.10 firmware mentioned above on the manual upgrade button - has it been removed?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: PatMan on February 04, 2015, 02:56:25 PM
As if there was any more proof needed - as soon as I posted the above message of thanks on SPTechs thread - this happened:

Look at this, as soon as SPTech get a post, dogie splatters the thread with more poop to promote his employers........ :D :D :D

http://i.imgur.com/U7n7i5H.png

Pretty much says it all - what a joke this paid advert "guide" is ::)

Even Bitmain find it embarrassingly painful:

Hi Pat,

Can't believe he popped out again...

But we have no control over his negative repping people and submitting mod requests.

Tried but unsuccessful for now.  Keep looking into situation.  This will be a long time project.

If it was under Bitmain Account, sure we can delete them but under his personal account, we have no control over. 

It is painful watching.  Trust me

Hopefully it won't be too long term......... :D

How sad.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 04, 2015, 03:07:53 PM
As if there was any more proof needed - as soon as I posted the above message of thanks on SPTechs thread - this happened:

Look at this, as soon as SPTech get a post, dogie splatters the thread with more poop to promote his employers........ :D :D :D

http://i.imgur.com/U7n7i5H.png

Pretty much says it all - what a joke this paid advert "guide" is ::)

Even Bitmain find it embarrassingly painful:

Hi Pat,

Can't believe he popped out again...

But we have no control over his negative repping people and submitting mod requests.

Tried but unsuccessful for now.  Keep looking into situation.  This will be a long time project.

If it was under Bitmain Account, sure we can delete them but under his personal account, we have no control over. 

It is painful watching.  Trust me

Hopefully it won't be too long term......... :D

How sad.

Obviously Mr Dogie doesn't care about ruining the reputation of Bitmaintech.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 04, 2015, 03:34:23 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Do you need to file a complaint against Bitmine.ch?

Jail you will go. Let us hope people recoup their investment.

 
My lawyer told me they probably will go to JAIL ^^ because of tax fraud (Steuerhinterziehung)

They earn bitcoins and sell them and don´t pay any taxes. Thats fraud BIG STYLE friends.

So i made a notification to ESTV (swiss tax agency). -> sd@estv.admin.ch

the MORE PEOPLE tell them that Christian Anselmi and Giorgio Massarotto are tax frauders the FASTER THEY DO GUYS, they will check them ^^



Thank you @Alex27!

I filed a complaint at the email address provided.  I HIGHLY encourage everyone on this forum to do the same.  If they have not paid taxes on their earnings in any currency (cash or bitcoin) this is the probably the best way for us to get the government involved with this fraudulent company.  

ESTV (swiss tax agency) -> sd@estv.admin.ch


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 05, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource and Technobit tag team consumers for more losses.

Or Dogie gives Techonbit a 10/10 for Ethics and 10/10 for delivery on time. Someone ain't watching the boards are they?

Yeah, I am owed 19 boards.  I received 6 so if anyone wants some just let me know.

And...

Is this company still alive? Sent back 8 boards, they arrived 2 weeks ago, can not get any response from them.
Marto was online yesterday, so he's still around.
Thanks, missed that when I checked a day before his last post. Still not answering support tickets or anything posted here. 8 boards missing, what a joke this whole groupbuy became, people never seeing their hardware, nor their refunds from minersource, and now rma's end up in some void too.

I stayed with BA and my order was never shipped, all these guys are straight up thieves and liars.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 05, 2015, 02:02:57 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on February 05, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.


Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 05, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trusted fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can't turn on a dime and pump out a 'million' miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on February 05, 2015, 04:15:51 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 05, 2015, 04:18:27 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it. Then again I am not privy to your total production output so I could be wrong. It may have been the case last year... maybe it isn't the case now.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on February 05, 2015, 04:19:48 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it.
Aware and respectful it is.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 05, 2015, 09:52:06 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.


Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy

Having a marketing background prior to my IT background, I am of the opinion (which is just that) that it can be poor form. That said, you did donate to a cause of philip's choosing instead of paying him directly as he declined it. You are making an honest effort to work with the community and communicate with them. So kudos there. Your track record speaks for itself. I am not a particular fanboy of any product, I just prefer what works best and meets my needs best. Your hardware clearly demonstrates the chops for that. So again kudos. Overall I do think there needs to be more meaningful vendor related discussion, but the issue/concern is the vendors tainting results as has happened in the past. They can jump in and certainly defend themselves, but the OP needs to pose the questions/surveys on their own. Otherwise it just comes off as biased.

While Dogie provides some excellent information, his vendor affiliation certainly can create a situation that shows bias. Well can't fault bick here he CLEARLY states this is biased and opinionated lol. My issue with poll results is...how do we know it was not gamed? Do we know who voted? We have no meaningful information as sock puppets are a common thing on these forums. It is easy to game the results. Lots of unanswered questions that can put this in a negative light unless its done in a way that shows it was done transparently.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 05, 2015, 10:02:46 PM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it.
Aware and respectful it is.

Won't knock you guys, sure competitors could outproduce but often at the cost of quality, but they (SP) do have a solid engineering background and are making very solidly made hardware. I stayed away before because of price and other considerations that did not meet my immediate short term concerns. But SP is a solid player. They are now competing better in a way one should consider doing business with them. That does not mean Bitmain is bad. They are still IMO a great company, but it seems some people are having issues with them. That could be due to a number of things. Personally I am not having issues. But that is speaking for me alone. I have not had an experience with SP yet as far as hardware, so I am ready to take the plunge. 

SP can compete in other ways. The sheer quality of hardware alone is a selling point. If they build solid hardware and are diehard about any warranties they state, that already sets them apart. Customer service goes a long way too. If those areas are the ones they excel in, then there is indeed nothing to be concerned about. I mean really KnC? If that is one of their competitors then yea they got nothing to be scared about. Bitmain is about the only real competition IMO.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on February 06, 2015, 04:49:36 AM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.


Yes, I asked Philip to run the poll. Yes, I asked the initial 5 questions. Additional 3 question were added by the community.
This and donating 2 BTC to Wikimedia was my only involvement. Oh, and there was the untimely death of the first poll due to technicality error.

Guy

Having a marketing background prior to my IT background, I am of the opinion (which is just that) that it can be poor form. That said, you did donate to a cause of philip's choosing instead of paying him directly as he declined it. You are making an honest effort to work with the community and communicate with them. So kudos there. Your track record speaks for itself. I am not a particular fanboy of any product, I just prefer what works best and meets my needs best. Your hardware clearly demonstrates the chops for that. So again kudos. Overall I do think there needs to be more meaningful vendor related discussion, but the issue/concern is the vendors tainting results as has happened in the past. They can jump in and certainly defend themselves, but the OP needs to pose the questions/surveys on their own. Otherwise it just comes off as biased.

While Dogie provides some excellent information, his vendor affiliation certainly can create a situation that shows bias. Well can't fault bick here he CLEARLY states this is biased and opinionated lol. My issue with poll results is...how do we know it was not gamed? Do we know who voted? We have no meaningful information as sock puppets are a common thing on these forums. It is easy to game the results. Lots of unanswered questions that can put this in a negative light unless its done in a way that shows it was done transparently.

Thank you for your feedback.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 06, 2015, 04:52:02 AM
Guide will be updated Sunday... keep watching 1st post for changes.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on February 06, 2015, 04:53:46 AM
I think I will give SP a try. I been using bitmain as they have done me no wrong personally. But SP also appears to produce solid hardware. Not a fan of how involved they get in sponsoring surveys that favor them. But If the SP20e performs as I have been reading, then its worth at least a trial run in my environment (most of my monitoring is custom). The numbers don't lie when it comes to performance.



Let us put that survey / poll in perspective given what passes as fanboi promotion time and time again in these forums.

We can give Spondoolies a thumbs up or thumbs down nothing more or less. In the 100s of user posts not one person has remained negative towards buying a Spondoolies product. I can't find one person that has had an issue with Spondoolies that hasn't been happy or at least satisfied with the resolution of the issue. For the most part the units are some of the best being offered. They ship on time and often to spec and if off spec refunds / reimbursements have been offered.

I think the poll is a good gauge of CONSUMER feeling but you can read through all the threads, like I usually do, to find out why Spondoolies is the most trust fabricator currently. You don't need a poll to prove it. The forum has ample evidence to support that results of that poll.

Unfortunately some people want to make more of stink about say Asicminer or Bitmain given their issues but to be honest those companies also try and do their best to rectify the mountain of problems they have.

That is not the case of say Bitmine, Black Arrow, Minersource, Avalon, Technobit, BFL, KNC, HashFast, Cointerra and others. But if you read my guide you will see that.

There is no real need to buy equipment for home mining or small mining operations you are fighting a losing cause. But if you are still painfully ignorant of the mining world or mine for fun or whatever reason besides a return on your investment then it is either Spondoolies or Bitmaintech right now. Edge goes to Spondoolies based on customers service and superior build quality. I don't need a multiple column framework using a ten point sliding scale to know that. Anyone in direct competition with Spondoolies also knows this and are scared.

However Spondoolies can turn on a dime and pump out a million miners in a month can they? No they can't and that is where they are scared of their competition.

We're not scared of the competition.

You should be scared of competitors that can easily out produce you.  Use whatever term you like. Cognizant, aware, respectful... I prefer the term scared. Puts the right point on it.
Aware and respectful it is.

Won't knock you guys, sure competitors could outproduce but often at the cost of quality, but they (SP) do have a solid engineering background and are making very solidly made hardware. I stayed away before because of price and other considerations that did not meet my immediate short term concerns. But SP is a solid player. They are now competing better in a way one should consider doing business with them. That does not mean Bitmain is bad. They are still IMO a great company, but it seems some people are having issues with them. That could be due to a number of things. Personally I am not having issues. But that is speaking for me alone. I have not had an experience with SP yet as far as hardware, so I am ready to take the plunge.  

SP can compete in other ways. The sheer quality of hardware alone is a selling point. If they build solid hardware and are diehard about any warranties they state, that already sets them apart. Customer service goes a long way too. If those areas are the ones they excel in, then there is indeed nothing to be concerned about. I mean really KnC? If that is one of their competitors then yea they got nothing to be scared about. Bitmain is about the only real competition IMO.


Bitmain, BitFury, KNC, 21e6, AM and Sfards
In that order. I can't go into details. Maybe I misplaced Sfards.
Most probably there are additional unknown players. Most probably in China.
Time will tell.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 06, 2015, 01:00:18 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource stole over a million in equipment from Black Arrow. Black Arrow stole millions from customers. Where does it end?

This situation just screams for law enforcement to get to the bottom of this. Stay away from both companies. You have been warned again.

Minersource is falsely claiming that we have not shipped ordered merchandise while in fact they have stolen $1050000 from us through fraud.
...

What about the $5k you stole from me you fucking piece of shit?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: .....Really? on February 06, 2015, 01:29:49 PM
Why does it not surprise me that BAN (BitcoinAffiliateNetwork) are involved in this?

I opened a scam accusation against them ages ago about their phony "giveaway" of miners to fake user accounts many months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782765.0

After a barrage of insults from s0br/ThePhwner & their multiple aliases, s0br locked the BAN pool thread after deleting evidence & went AWOL from the scam thread & this forum for about 2 months - before popping up again with another BAN pool thread with claims of transparency, bonuses, regular payouts etc, etc, - all of which has proven to be false again.

BTW, guess who advertised BAN on his "trustworthiness guide" thread knowing that they were confirmed scammers?  Yup, our good friend poop-dawg........ ::)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 06, 2015, 04:51:51 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit customers still waiting for product and Dogie still rates them 10/10 for Ethics and Shipping what gives?

It really is amazing that Dogie can ding Spondoolies Tech time and time again and yet never adjusts Technobit down appropriately given the hundreds of complaints posts in these forums.

Marto/Technobit isn't responding to pm, has not logged in here in 3 days, looks like we are fucked. Time to file a claim with the EU customer protection unit, Bulgarian section, www.ecc.bg/submit-a-complaint.htm

I would love to write a review for the 2hex8m but I'm still waiting for my 2 to arrive ordered in December pre production batch. To this day I've had promise after promises from Martin when I have phoned, but much to my dismay I'm 606 euros down no miners and not much more to say really.
I'd just like my money back now so I can buy myself something useful like a bike
peace all
Mike :)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 11, 2015, 05:17:33 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  I join with macgyver007 and others who want to see a Dogie pooping free zone.

Use this sign below in your Oringinal Post to indicate that your self-moderate thread will not accept his reign (rain) of shit. Stop Dogie before it is too late.

Last of all....no dogieshit will be tolerated in this thread unlike the first one I had to request for deletion due to all the off-topic poop

http://images.dogpoopsigns.com/img/lg/K/No-Dog-Pooping-Aluminum-Sign-K-2269.gif


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 11, 2015, 01:59:25 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow under investigation by Hong Kong Police.

Is the long arm of the law finally catching up with Black Arrow? We hope that customers do get refunds but as time goes on it looks less likely.

Not sure if this is new or helpful either but I finally received an email from the Hong Kong police over the online report that I've lodged quite some time ago.

They requested for more information about the transaction & I've furnished them with some attachments that hopefully will provide them a better lead in their investigation.

For those of you who made payment to BlackArrow's Hong Kong HSBC account & have yet to done so, I would strongly recommend that you submit an online police report at this link (https://secure1.info.gov.hk/police/eforms/report_cyber_crime_en.php) to lend a helping hand to the Hong Kong police in their investigation on Black Arrow.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 12, 2015, 06:13:38 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Technobit awol. Is this the end of Technobit finally?

So it is clear to everyone now what Technobit really is all about. About delays. About taking customer cash and not delivering on time. This is just one more unhappy customer. Avoid them at all costs.

im waiting for my 2hex4m since 9 january and i order more 3x hex4m on 4 february and they said they would send it today but looks like they didnt....hope they send it soon... :-\
technobit has good quality but they take to long to ship the miners, i realy dont know if i should order more or go for some antminers  :-\ :-\

Will Dogie update his rating for Technobit or will it take law enforcement raid or legal actions to get him to finally rate this company properly?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: ninjaboon on February 13, 2015, 02:36:44 PM
Alpha Technology should be in the thumbs down section. I've ordered in Jan 2014, and nothing delivered yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314402.0



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 13, 2015, 02:43:50 PM
Alpha Technology should be in the thumbs down section. I've ordered in Jan 2014, and nothing delivered yet.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314402.0



We don't do scrypt miners. Sorry.

They are a BAD company with serious issues. I signed up for the newsletter when they started talking about development and promised the moon and are not delivering. STAY AWAY FROM THEM... best to get a refund if possible.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: hurricandave on February 14, 2015, 05:33:47 AM
Looks like Rockminer has closed its doors. Website has been down for over two weeks and rockxie has been completely absent from the forum for over a month.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 14, 2015, 05:49:49 AM
FYI in case you want an update on AMT to post, Joshua Zipkin is trying to file for bankruptcy in the middle of the class action lawsuit (won't happen due to precedents)...or attempting to. His lawyers also want to quit no doubt due to his utter stupidity and inability to listen to his lawyers. I doubt the court will allow it only because he has this money out there.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 14, 2015, 11:48:18 AM
Looks like Rockminer has closed its doors. Website has been down for over two weeks and rockxie has been completely absent from the forum for over a month.

He is working with AM has been for months. I believe he posted as such in his thread.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 14, 2015, 11:48:53 AM
FYI in case you want an update on AMT to post, Joshua Zipkin is trying to file for bankruptcy in the middle of the class action lawsuit (won't happen due to precedents)...or attempting to. His lawyers also want to quit no doubt due to his utter stupidity and inability to listen to his lawyers. I doubt the court will allow it only because he has this money out there.


Oh thanks for that tidbit missed that in the forum has that been posted anywhere?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 15, 2015, 12:30:52 AM
FYI in case you want an update on AMT to post, Joshua Zipkin is trying to file for bankruptcy in the middle of the class action lawsuit (won't happen due to precedents)...or attempting to. His lawyers also want to quit no doubt due to his utter stupidity and inability to listen to his lawyers. I doubt the court will allow it only because he has this money out there.


Oh thanks for that tidbit missed that in the forum has that been posted anywhere?

No just information shared between a few people. Since Josh Zipkin watches these forums via sock puppets and proxies a couple of us discuss the details among ourselves to not tip him off on anything new. No sense posting publicly anything he can use in he can use to benefit his case or to run away further. It's already obviously going down the shitter for him. The documentation pretty much supports that. But his issues won't end there. Until he makes this right we won't stop. He likely is using the money he stole to run a mine. It's already obvious he paid KNC a substantial amount for that so it stands to reason he is mining on his own and making money from that in huge amounts.
"Josh Zipkin bitcointalk"
"Joshua Zipkin bitcointalk"


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: vs3 on February 18, 2015, 08:14:46 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif
[Delisted Thumbs Up]
Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg3441097#msg3441097) Last Post September 23, 2014


Although I'm not exactly happy that I'm no longer in the "thumbs up" category I think being in that new category is a fair status. Or if you decide to add a new category - something like "Retired Projects" or "Projects no longer in development" - you can move the NanoFury one there.

And thanks for keeping that list up to date!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 18, 2015, 11:59:03 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif
[Delisted Thumbs Up]
Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg3441097#msg3441097) Last Post September 23, 2014


Although I'm not exactly happy that I'm no longer in the "thumbs up" category I think being in that new category is a fair status. Or if you decide to add a new category - something like "Retired Projects" or "Projects no longer in development" - you can move the NanoFury one there.

And thanks for keeping that list up to date!

I think retired projects is best. As there are going to be more and more defunct bankrupt or retired projects as we move forward.

Looking at these updates:

BTC Garden... bankrupt or closed shop?
Bitfury no longer sells product?
Asicminer no longer producing / selling?

Comments welcome.

Somethings will be different in 2015.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Unacceptable on February 18, 2015, 12:55:36 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif
[Delisted Thumbs Up]
Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg3441097#msg3441097) Last Post September 23, 2014


Although I'm not exactly happy that I'm no longer in the "thumbs up" category I think being in that new category is a fair status. Or if you decide to add a new category - something like "Retired Projects" or "Projects no longer in development" - you can move the NanoFury one there.

And thanks for keeping that list up to date!

I think retired projects is best. As there are going to be more and more defunct bankrupt or retired projects as we move forward.

Looking at these updates:

BTC Garden... bankrupt or closed shop?
Bitfury no longer sells product?
Asicminer no longer producing / selling?

Comments welcome.

Somethings will be different in 2015.

Bitfury only sells farms for mucho dinero..........  ::)

http://www.bitfury.org/products

Don't see a buy it now button do we.......  ::)

I thought ASICminer had another chip already for the next gen  ???


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 18, 2015, 07:09:25 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Loshia & Zich Support Technobit... Why do they ignore the plight of Technobit Customers?

There is a real stink from the Technobit thread. Some more angry customers I see. Then they will start promoting a new "project" and try to scam funds from people on BTCJam for 100 BTC for this improbably optimistic heat recovery concept. Looks like the end is near for Technobit. FINALLY.

Hi Dimoza,

You have still not waited long enough.
72 hours shipping is declared on the website, thats correct.
Unfortunately the clock in Bulgaria runs different than anywhere else in the world.
In my opinion, this seems to be a kind of Ponzi scheme.
10 people buy a miner, only one gets a parcel.
The others must wait until another 10 people have ordered something.
Funny Game!




Hi technobit,

HEX4M boards with Coolers, Item No.: 97 was oredered on  7 Feb 2015
Order reference: YKHOBUKVB
Status: Payment accepted

Have no email confirmation received, just PayPal receipt. Money was transfered.
The order successfully displaying in my Order history.

72 hours shipping declared on the website, but still nothing received.

2 days ago I wrote the letter to customer cupport via the website form... still have no answer as well.

Almost 2 weeks are gone. No emails no parcels.

Would be appreciate for comments and email contacting.
thank you.

Another complaint thread:

Write here all what you order at TECHNOBIT and was not delivered to you. Think about a class action. It should punish people who want to enrich the other

I ordered the 5.2 2015th

Lawsuits soon to start by European customers?

No more words...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=564612.msg10508319



10:13 AM / CET

Hello to all people who has been deceived by technobit.eu

After consultation with my lawyer he suggests the following procedure:
( Applies only to people in the EU, all others... sorry )

First:
Write to technobit.eu a letter with the demand for your goods or at your money within 14 days after receipt of the letter.
This letter you send via registered mail with Advice of delivery to technobit.eu.
Registered mail with Advice of delivery  is important! This is the only way you can later prove that you have put your demands against technobit.eu.
(E-Mail with reading confirmation would also be possible , but we know... e -mails will not be read from technobit.eu)

Second:
Wait for the Advice of delivery. Should not take longer than 1 week.
If the letter is not deliverable , which can be assumed , go immediately with your Advice of delivery and your Invoice to a competent authority (police, courts) and make a complaint about Internet fraud against technobit.eu.

If the letter deliverable, wait 14 days.
If you have not received anything until the expiry of the time limit, then ... see above.
A possible message or E-Mail stating "we will send later" you can safely ignore.

So much only once by this time, everything else at a later time.

For eventually grammatical errors, I do not take any responsibility, english is not my native language.




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 19, 2015, 03:41:44 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Still no BFL refund? What should I do?

Nice guide for what to do if BFL is still not refunding your order. From PuertoLibre

FTC requests anyone who has not yet recieved their refund to contact them and let them know. The (FTC) through the court are currently acting as watchdogs over BFL's refund queue.

Do not contact the former receivership, contact the FTC directly. They will assist in the process of adjusting or receiving your refund(s).


Helen Wong from the FTC's Division of Financial Practices:

HELEN WONG, DC Bar # 997800
hwong@ftc.gov

TERESA KOSMIDIS, NY Bar # 4533824
tkosmidis@ftc.gov

LEAH FRAZIER, DC Bar # 492540
lfrazier@ftc.gov

Please include details about your order, such as a copy of your receipt/statement stating (or itemizing) the amounts owed and a brief recollection or review of your previous attempts to obtain a refund. (include dates and times)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 20, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Bitfury... I am guessing is a solid buy for wholesale. Anyone ask or inquire about Bitfury wholesale care to comment?

For wholesale inquiries: sales@bitfury.org

So, this guide should it be for those looking for wholesale opportunities as well?

I guess it does.

I suspect in about 2 or 3 months that wholesale will be the only kind of opportunities available to buy equipment.

I also suspect that this hardware section has already become irrelevant.

20Mw in 30 days in Georgia from Bitfury.

Anyone else still playing with Th/s and not Ph/s numbers should just give up and buy BTC and hold right?

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif
[Delisted Thumbs Up]
Removed Thumbs Up Companies for Lack of Shipping (30 days without a post or units shipped)

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Nano Fury Project USB miner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=321287.msg3441097#msg3441097) Last Post September 23, 2014


Although I'm not exactly happy that I'm no longer in the "thumbs up" category I think being in that new category is a fair status. Or if you decide to add a new category - something like "Retired Projects" or "Projects no longer in development" - you can move the NanoFury one there.

And thanks for keeping that list up to date!

I think retired projects is best. As there are going to be more and more defunct bankrupt or retired projects as we move forward.

Looking at these updates:

BTC Garden... bankrupt or closed shop?
Bitfury no longer sells product?
Asicminer no longer producing / selling?

Comments welcome.

Somethings will be different in 2015.

Bitfury only sells farms for mucho dinero..........  ::)

http://www.bitfury.org/products

Don't see a buy it now button do we.......  ::)

I thought ASICminer had another chip already for the next gen  ???




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 20, 2015, 06:54:43 PM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 20, 2015, 08:16:20 PM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.

Any evidence he is selling these miners to anyone in Europe?

If not then no need to bother changing the rating. I don't see any evidence that he is currently selling anything other than a few bullshit responses using an alias in these forums to back his buddy Marto at Technobit.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: opieum2 on February 20, 2015, 08:43:37 PM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.

Any evidence he is selling these miners to anyone in Europe?

If not then no need to bother changing the rating. I don't see any evidence that he is currently selling anything other than a few bullshit responses using an alias in these forums to back his buddy Marto at Technobit.

I'll pull the info directly from the chats. The fact that the page is still up and one can order miners should also be a red flag that he is still out there scamming.

Here is the excerpt from the chat in my sig (back when he was actually reachable) Timestamped for convinence this should cover it:

[8/6/2014 2:14:56 PM] Opeium2: Which hardware are you moving
[8/6/2014 2:15:06 PM] Joshua: extra hardware
[8/6/2014 2:15:16 PM] Joshua: created fromthe extra chips webought
[8/6/2014 2:15:21 PM] Joshua: so we shipped everyones shit
[8/6/2014 2:15:32 PM] Joshua: and we have some extra hardware that we're selling
[8/6/2014 2:15:54 PM] Joshua: and we've designed theminers ive mentioned and we'll try and start
taking orders forthose on a per build basis
[8/6/2014 2:15:59 PM] Joshua: thats about it
[8/6/2014 2:16:20 PM] Joshua: and focus on a 5 megawatt farm financed by chinese investors
located in bg
[8/6/2014 2:16:22 PM] Opeium2: Whats the turn around really on any new builds?
[8/6/2014 2:16:29 PM] Joshua: 7 days
[8/6/2014 2:16:35 PM] Joshua: on new builds

Some more:
[8/6/2014 2:20:54 PM] Joshua: its wont matter
[8/6/2014 2:21:15 PM] Joshua: im not worried about selling
[8/6/2014 2:21:28 PM] Joshua: i just want these fuckers to shut upalready
[8/6/2014 2:21:33 PM] Opeium2: They wont
[8/6/2014 2:21:39 PM] Opeium2: not until all of this is over with
[8/6/2014 2:21:40 PM] Joshua: im just going to piss them off even more
[8/6/2014 2:21:44 PM] Joshua: even when it is
[8/6/2014 2:21:48 PM] Joshua: they still wont shut up
[8/6/2014 2:21:54 PM] Joshua: because they'll loose the lawysuit
[8/6/2014 2:21:57 PM] Joshua: and feel even more fucked


And some more evidence.

[8/14/2014 11:33:29 AM] Opeium2: That reminds me I was just wondering. I know you mentioned
you have no people...but what happened to your partners? Jim Brown. I saw mention of them and it
got me wondering about that? where are they in all this?
[8/14/2014 11:33:49 AM] Opeium2: I mean if they got a financial stake in this I would imagine they
would be doing more here to help you out
[8/14/2014 11:33:57 AM] Josh: not much
[8/14/2014 11:34:53 AM] Josh: what financial stake? in the debt?
[8/14/2014 11:35:05 AM] Josh: its not like we have dividends to hand out
[8/14/2014 11:36:16 AM] Josh: Jim does the backend, financials and thats about it. He basically
checked out after the case was filed. Hes still on board but just doesnt want to deal with clients or
sales.
[8/14/2014 11:36:41 AM] Josh: Alyssa does the accounts but she got another part time job because
we couldnt afford keep her on full time
[8/14/2014 11:37:21 AM] Josh: we basically let everyone in the US accept for a few part times girls
which hang out around the office for next to nothing
[8/14/2014 11:37:42 AM] Josh: and outsourced the office bg, and we focus on EU and Asian sales
via EU and Asian incorporated companies.
[8/14/2014 11:38:17 AM] Josh: cant do much with little funding and dont want to sell to the US
driectly until this crap is all over


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 21, 2015, 10:40:49 AM
FYI I thought I would correct the AMT entry where it states no longer shipping units. It should read no longer shipping to US customers. In the chats "Joshua fat fuck Zipkin" Plainly states he will sell only outside of the US, as retaliation for the lawsuit.

As for new info, he is apparently living in Bulgaria as has been stated before. He is hiding out there due to the interest law enforcement has in charging him. Most of them local in state municipalities.

Any evidence he is selling these miners to anyone in Europe?

If not then no need to bother changing the rating. I don't see any evidence that he is currently selling anything other than a few bullshit responses using an alias in these forums to back his buddy Marto at Technobit.

I'll pull the info directly from the chats. The fact that the page is still up and one can order miners should also be a red flag that he is still out there scamming.

Here is the excerpt from the chat in my sig (back when he was actually reachable) Timestamped for convinence this should cover it:

[8/6/2014 2:14:56 PM] Opeium2: Which hardware are you moving
[8/6/2014 2:15:06 PM] Joshua: extra hardware
[8/6/2014 2:15:16 PM] Joshua: created fromthe extra chips webought
[8/6/2014 2:15:21 PM] Joshua: so we shipped everyones shit
[8/6/2014 2:15:32 PM] Joshua: and we have some extra hardware that we're selling
[8/6/2014 2:15:54 PM] Joshua: and we've designed theminers ive mentioned and we'll try and start
taking orders forthose on a per build basis
[8/6/2014 2:15:59 PM] Joshua: thats about it
[8/6/2014 2:16:20 PM] Joshua: and focus on a 5 megawatt farm financed by chinese investors
located in bg
[8/6/2014 2:16:22 PM] Opeium2: Whats the turn around really on any new builds?
[8/6/2014 2:16:29 PM] Joshua: 7 days
[8/6/2014 2:16:35 PM] Joshua: on new builds

Some more:
[8/6/2014 2:20:54 PM] Joshua: its wont matter
[8/6/2014 2:21:15 PM] Joshua: im not worried about selling
[8/6/2014 2:21:28 PM] Joshua: i just want these fuckers to shut upalready
[8/6/2014 2:21:33 PM] Opeium2: They wont
[8/6/2014 2:21:39 PM] Opeium2: not until all of this is over with
[8/6/2014 2:21:40 PM] Joshua: im just going to piss them off even more
[8/6/2014 2:21:44 PM] Joshua: even when it is
[8/6/2014 2:21:48 PM] Joshua: they still wont shut up
[8/6/2014 2:21:54 PM] Joshua: because they'll loose the lawysuit
[8/6/2014 2:21:57 PM] Joshua: and feel even more fucked


And some more evidence.

[8/14/2014 11:33:29 AM] Opeium2: That reminds me I was just wondering. I know you mentioned
you have no people...but what happened to your partners? Jim Brown. I saw mention of them and it
got me wondering about that? where are they in all this?
[8/14/2014 11:33:49 AM] Opeium2: I mean if they got a financial stake in this I would imagine they
would be doing more here to help you out
[8/14/2014 11:33:57 AM] Josh: not much
[8/14/2014 11:34:53 AM] Josh: what financial stake? in the debt?
[8/14/2014 11:35:05 AM] Josh: its not like we have dividends to hand out
[8/14/2014 11:36:16 AM] Josh: Jim does the backend, financials and thats about it. He basically
checked out after the case was filed. Hes still on board but just doesnt want to deal with clients or
sales.
[8/14/2014 11:36:41 AM] Josh: Alyssa does the accounts but she got another part time job because
we couldnt afford keep her on full time
[8/14/2014 11:37:21 AM] Josh: we basically let everyone in the US accept for a few part times girls
which hang out around the office for next to nothing
[8/14/2014 11:37:42 AM] Josh: and outsourced the office bg, and we focus on EU and Asian sales
via EU and Asian incorporated companies.
[8/14/2014 11:38:17 AM] Josh: cant do much with little funding and dont want to sell to the US
driectly until this crap is all over


Customer reports of orders?

None.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 22, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
Is Bitfury selling to anyone?

Seems here is some information that makes it look like Bitfury is no longer in the marketplace selling wholesale. Seems like there is a lot of slack in the Bitfury wholesale sales market I have not read anyone buying Bitfury in a long while. Anyone else seen any Bitfury wholesale news anywhere?

 DigitalBTC Inks Deal With Spondoolies-Tech to Expand Mining Operation.
by Nermin Hajdarbegovic | Published on January 23, 2015 at 13:24 GMT (http://www.coindesk.com/digitalbtc-inks-deal-spondoolies-tech-expand-mining-operation/)

Quote


Australian bitcoin company digitalBTC is expanding its mining capacity and entering a new contract with data centre provider Verne Global.

The company said it is acquiring new bitcoin mining hardware from manufacturer Spondoolies-Tech, although the exact details were not revealed.

DigitalBTC did say, however, that the new hardware will expand its processing capacity by approximately 40% for a “small outlay” of about $700,000. When it launched in early 2014, digitalBTC relied on BitFury mining hardware.

The Verne Global contract will allow digitalBTC to reduce its power costs by approximately 20% across half of its power commitment. Verne Global is already working with digitalBTC, hosting mining hardware at its data centre campus in Iceland, which is powered by geothermal energy.

DigitalBTC CEO Zhenya Tsvetnenko said the new contract will help the company reduce operating costs and increase efficiency.

The company's focus will be on developing new software solutions such as digital X Mintsy, but legacy mining operations will continue to be updated, he added.


 Sidestepping the consumer market (http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-ceo-bitcoin-mining-company/)

Quote
Another subject broached was the company's emphasis on the B2B market, a decision that has proved advantageous for BitFury, as it has largely avoided the negative public scrutiny given to its competitors.

Though he credits the move only to a "feeling" about the market, Vavilov is more specific about the problems BitFury has avoided with this decision.

He said:

"We decided to not deal with small clients, because it's a headache. We would need a big support team to support all these clients. When you're dealing with big clients, he's paying hundreds of thousands of dollars, but the headache you're getting from small clients can be much bigger, because for him $5 is like the last money."

Vavilov said that when looking at this scenario, he determined it would be better to spend energy on developing strong equipment instead of customer service. In addition, he cited the lack of awareness among consumers of the full risks of their investment.

"It is much easier to work with larger clients with whom you have established a win-win relationship," he added.

A native of Latvia and a long-time resident of Ukraine, Vavilov said that BitFury began making chips 2012, but that before this, he and his team had only experimented with CPUs and video cards. The chip won reviews from the bitcoin community, even as the company drew notice for then being run by unknown individuals.

"It's still the most efficient chip in the market, if we're talking about six-year-old technology," he boasted.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 22, 2015, 10:59:05 AM
Notice.

We will strive to update the thread weekly with screen captures and links to news and posts in the forums here that are important to the maintenance of the thread.

It looks as we move forward there are fewer and fewer companies to monitor and still fewer new companies entering the marketplace.

Most companies are now moving to the B2B model as they close down or limit their exposure to the consumer market.

We have updated the original rating post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=799423.msg8987786#msg8987786) and we will post screen captures and news directly to the update post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=799423.msg8987791#msg8987791).

As mining matures the need for consumer protection or threads like these becomes less and less meaningful as the market has already changed away from the small time forum readers to business size entities.

At some point in 2015 it is clear the consumer market will be completely dead if it is not already. We will have to start following news reports instead of threads in this section of the forum for information.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: IYFTech on February 25, 2015, 11:16:42 AM
Feast your eyes on this:

Today it's a nice surprise that I ordered arrived miner HEX4M from TECHNOBIT.
But my joy vanished when I opened the box. I smelled the smell of burning hardware.
The device was stained with greasy dust ...

A few pictures ...

http://i.imgur.com/CY3USPW.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IsZwfcM.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qmOPJ5n.jpg

Shocking. Just.......shocking  :o


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 25, 2015, 04:08:09 PM
Feast your eyes on this:


Shocking. Just.......shocking  :o

The reason?

He was the one that posted the Technobit Fucked Us thread. Marto has played these sorts of games with anyone who calls him out on his scams. Be it not refunding some individuals, sending fake tracking information, cancelling and often delaying shipments or just plain ignoring customers.

Anyone who continues to support Technobit at this point must either be paid to do so or just a multiple account of Marto and his team. Sad but this fraud has gone on since 2013 without too much notice and still people keeping buying crappy product and even worse customer service. None of this is surprising really. Anyone who speaks out as a customer with pending orders runs the risk of getting further screwed.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Searing on February 26, 2015, 06:28:01 AM


My situation is I'm a legal miner (bank error forced to file see thread below so as not to go off topic....do the poll also if you'd like)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=969646.msg10585422#msg10585422

So essentially I've been a mining like heck and due to the circumstances of the above thread ..with little choice have managed or will manage
to pull it off for 3 years with equip deprecation and home biz etc and will likely pay NO TAXES to IRS thru 2015 when my last miner poops out (knc Titan)

THE CATCH

is if home mining equip is dead...for usefulness with perhaps cloud mining the same soon......then I will have in 2016 (2.5k or so equip depreciation off of mining I could use) and 2017 (maybe 1K left of the same)

so if no home miners and I doubt cloud mining (see my tag line below) applies ..how to get the rest of my equip depreciation kudos for these last 2 years
round this all out to keep the IRS happy? need an option to home miners that makes sense and can kinda sorta make some coin don't ya know
of my 5 year biz plan ...as a legal usa miner (2013 IRS virtual currency guidelines)

so the point is (further details in above thread link off topic)

1) IS THERE any very small data hall type arrangement of a more robust manner then cloud hosting..ie some small share/part owner of small pooled data farm that people
could recomend? again not cloud mining.....i really don't think that would fly..i mean like 10 guys renting something and pooling equipment kinda thing
to get around the home miners going bye bye?

If there are ....anyone here got some that are legit? or they run? or they use? etc

2) same as above but more of a co-op non profit arrangement ( like farmers would use to get/pool equipment under same kind of showing of equip to 'crop
so to speak' revenue stream...ie IRS wants 25% of what I mine (less equip deprecation and other biz expenses) this is also true of a farm co-op arrangement
again catch is if i want to show revenue (mining or as an example farmer) then mining (crops) has to make some kinda sense.....or why farm/mine or buy
the tractor/miner etc you get the analogy....has to make 'some' sense even if at some loss in long term

3) perhaps frigging cloud hosting qualifies (see my tag line) i sorta doubt it .....IRS audit and you point to a web page....? virtual cloud miner? probably not


anyway just here to point out that some of us (thru no fault of our own) kinda had to want to or forced to be legal miners in USA so to expand this beyond the
home miner drought of equipment in the future...are there any small co-op / data hall arrangements of equip that may make sense in the future (2016/17 in my case)
that are getting off the ground to fill in this void of the home miners going bye bye

this thread may want to review such 'real' equip situations co-op or otherwise as a stop gap or bridge away from home mining equip (now that esp scrypt seem to be toast)

anyway just my thoughts I used to run a large bbs game server back in the day....it was a lot more fun with 5 guys involved making the bbs 5x bigger then it was
just running a puny game server /bbs by your lonesome...that also was a biz.....same kinda logic....

and again (see my cloud hosting tagline) imho cloud hosting per say ...will probably not cut this ...(but i could be wrong)

anyway if this is off topic feel free to kill this post...but if home miners are going kaput here soon this seems the only small scale option left small group equip
arrangement of a data hall /bldg or co-op

looking for some legit options with the above in mind....supposedly there have to be small players of this of some note and reputation that would apply to this thread

thanks for reading the above mess and feel free to kill this post if it is too far off the home miner topic of review



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on February 26, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
I don't see the point to mining with anything cloud or otherwise since it is a loss. Sell your miners and hold BTC till you get the price you think you feel comfortable cashing out is probably the best solution.

Only if you are looking to write off losses to offset other tax burdens elsewhere would mining be something worth looking at or if you had access to Petahash and the power to run it without cost. Say something like a solar, wind, wave, hydro or biogas farm coupled with mining. The end of home or small scale mining is now. The end of B2B sales to those who would farm is coming and the what will be left are large companies as we see them gobble up power and the percentage of the network. There is no safe haven now for mining. Another sustained crash of something like a sub 50$ in BTC price will pretty much wipe out every weak cloud hashing or mining farm. What will be left are those entities with low power costs or with the ability to shut down large parts of their network without too much overhead.



My situation is I'm a legal miner (bank error forced to file see thread below so as not to go off topic....do the poll also if you'd like)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=969646.msg10585422#msg10585422

So essentially I've been a mining like heck and due to the circumstances of the above thread ..with little choice have managed or will manage
to pull it off for 3 years with equip deprecation and home biz etc and will likely pay NO TAXES to IRS thru 2015 when my last miner poops out (knc Titan)

THE CATCH

is if home mining equip is dead...for usefulness with perhaps cloud mining the same soon......then I will have in 2016 (2.5k or so equip depreciation off of mining I could use) and 2017 (maybe 1K left of the same)

so if no home miners and I doubt cloud mining (see my tag line below) applies ..how to get the rest of my equip depreciation kudos for these last 2 years
round this all out to keep the IRS happy? need an option to home miners that makes sense and can kinda sorta make some coin don't ya know
of my 5 year biz plan ...as a legal usa miner (2013 IRS virtual currency guidelines)

so the point is (further details in above thread link off topic)

1) IS THERE any very small data hall type arrangement of a more robust manner then cloud hosting..ie some small share/part owner of small pooled data farm that people
could recomend? again not cloud mining.....i really don't think that would fly..i mean like 10 guys renting something and pooling equipment kinda thing
to get around the home miners going bye bye?

If there are ....anyone here got some that are legit? or they run? or they use? etc

2) same as above but more of a co-op non profit arrangement ( like farmers would use to get/pool equipment under same kind of showing of equip to 'crop
so to speak' revenue stream...ie IRS wants 25% of what I mine (less equip deprecation and other biz expenses) this is also true of a farm co-op arrangement
again catch is if i want to show revenue (mining or as an example farmer) then mining (crops) has to make some kinda sense.....or why farm/mine or buy
the tractor/miner etc you get the analogy....has to make 'some' sense even if at some loss in long term

3) perhaps frigging cloud hosting qualifies (see my tag line) i sorta doubt it .....IRS audit and you point to a web page....? virtual cloud miner? probably not


anyway just here to point out that some of us (thru no fault of our own) kinda had to want to or forced to be legal miners in USA so to expand this beyond the
home miner drought of equipment in the future...are there any small co-op / data hall arrangements of equip that may make sense in the future (2016/17 in my case)
that are getting off the ground to fill in this void of the home miners going bye bye

this thread may want to review such 'real' equip situations co-op or otherwise as a stop gap or bridge away from home mining equip (now that esp scrypt seem to be toast)

anyway just my thoughts I used to run a large bbs game server back in the day....it was a lot more fun with 5 guys involved making the bbs 5x bigger then it was
just running a puny game server /bbs by your lonesome...that also was a biz.....same kinda logic....

and again (see my cloud hosting tagline) imho cloud hosting per say ...will probably not cut this ...(but i could be wrong)

anyway if this is off topic feel free to kill this post...but if home miners are going kaput here soon this seems the only small scale option left small group equip
arrangement of a data hall /bldg or co-op

looking for some legit options with the above in mind....supposedly there have to be small players of this of some note and reputation that would apply to this thread

thanks for reading the above mess and feel free to kill this post if it is too far off the home miner topic of review




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Searing on February 26, 2015, 07:18:42 AM
I don't see the point to mining with anything cloud or otherwise since it is a loss. Sell your miners and hold BTC till you get the price you think you feel comfortable cashing out is probably the best solution.

Only if you are looking to write of losses to offset tax burdens elsewhere would mining be something worth looking at or if you had access to petahash and the power to run it without cost. Say something like a solar, wind, wave, hydro or biogas farm coupled with mining.




That pretty much is it...as a legal miner for 2013 thru 2015 I will show the IRS all is well and my biz be legit....but with a biz (not a hobby) you have to show 3 yrs out of 5yrs
of profit....even if it is only a buck say vs your equip invested.....w/o even lame home miners working at the level they are in 2015 and sliding by barely.....I am
trying to figure out how to keep the rubber band going those last 2 years to make the 5 years of a biz (not a hobby ...hobby means more then 2 yrs at a loss)

there has to be others in the same boat as me....i'm not sure but i think spondoolies MAY be doing something like this more a co-op less a cloud mining operation
anyway again looking for others already doing this due to their legal status issues like myself.....have to be some guys out their who pooled resources in such a
manner

anyway if not now ...if anyone is in my boat and wants to continue to 'mine' so to speak on a modest scale likely they will have to pool resources and/or co-op
to do such..but you are correct...in my case and maybe others .....if only relying on home miners at this point we will likely have none in our price range to buy
BY OURSELVES by the time 2016 and 2017 rolls around.....and i could prob kludge some used equip together to show some kind of legit shot at mining for IRS
.....but again......I am assuming there will be a more 'real' co-op or equip data hall (small) type of private setups now ...if folk still need to (like me) or want to
mine say in 2016 or 2017 in some manner......I am assuming some folk are already in such arrangements...and looking for pm's or a direction

anyway again if this is off topic I'll drop it for now....but again you are correct......I"m 3 years after this year into my 'buggy whip' factory...and they just made
the automobile...oops..what to do for those last 2 years to keep the biz looking like a biz to the IRS and to get the last 2 years of my equip depreciation...come
to think of it some of the big miner operations ....may have the same problems on a bigger scale then my puny issues

thanks back to topics



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2015, 10:21:09 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on March 01, 2015, 10:50:22 AM
You are biased????  Really? 

We do B2B sales, too  :P

oh nooooooooo   Mayday Mayday...  Biased Guide incoming...   ;D ;D ;D


Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2015, 11:27:24 AM
You are biased????  Really?  

We do B2B sales, too  :P

oh nooooooooo   Mayday Mayday...  Biased Guide incoming...   ;D ;D ;D


Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.

I guess I should have explained more carefully.

B2B only and then consumers. ;D You and Spondoolies seem to be the only ones left I would recommend for consumers given the responses in these forums.

Bitfury currently the only company exclusively B2B that I put in thumbs up. Do you and spondoolies think this thread should dual bill you? I doubt anyone with $100K to spend is reading my posts.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on March 01, 2015, 11:39:01 AM
More people probably read your thread than you think

It shows your thread was read over 10,000 times

we hear from bulk customers time to time, they saw comments on Bitcointalk forum.  So I would say it is never known.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: lobogil on March 01, 2015, 11:52:23 AM
More people probably read your thread than you think

True.

@ BitmainWarranty:  When will you stop paying dogie to write his lies? He is dragging your name through the mud - it makes no sense to continue to pay him, it only looks bad on your company to do so. He is harming your business & upsetting many in the Bitcoin community.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 01, 2015, 11:59:58 AM
Updated Original Post.

Added Bitmain and Spondoolies to B2B and kept them in Consumer as well.

Not that it matters. At this point Petahash is what you need with CHEAP electricity if you are not able to secure that you should not be mining BTC.

Also will be adding PCFli's to the consumer sellers as well.

One batch of antminer S5(1.15T@590w) , total 500 units, is ready to sell at the price of 340$ , if you have interest, please reply this topic or PM me. Those miner can be online within 48 hours after payment.

The host fee will be only 1.416$ each miner each day.

The miners will host in our CHENGDU Industrial Scale farm, where we promised that the up-time will be 98% and any downtime exceed that (14.4 hours each month) will be compensated in full.

 
I know that the btc price is very low currently, but i think it is still a good time to buy miner, since all the people are scared to buy miner and the difficulty will soon stop even drop, also, the price of the miner is already close to the cost to build them, so it is no way that the price of the miner will be further lowered. If the price of btc increase and the diff will not increase , it will have good chance to reach ROI. Also, our host fee is also the best that you can find in market.


BTW, some customer worried about the quality of our host service and the miner, so i will set one special guarantee policy, if the miner have problem in one month, we will replace it with a perfect one for free, if the miner have problem after one month, we provide two option: 1) repair it for free  2) pay us extra 50$, we will replace it directly with a perfect one.

How to buy
If you have interest to buy, just submite the order through the following the form and send me a PM to remind me
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1r3xNEjov2iFZDsm2jY93g66jf5TOyorum07DXn4H6z4/viewform
BTW
you can pay me via paypal for this sale.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Introduction of CHENGDU Industrial Scale farm

Quick Review
Capacity:
*5000Kw will be ready on 10/10/2014
*can be expanded to 25000Kw in future
Uptime:
*98% uptime (any downtime exceed 14.4 hours will get full compensation on mining earning)
Detail introduction

Location
The farm located in Chengdu City, Sichuan province, where the whole building was rented.
http://i59.tinypic.com/33bojnl.jpg

Electricity

The power is drawn directly from State Grid with dual transformer, one team from SICHUAN electricity science research institute are employed to design the power supply system,  it is the same team who design and built IBM’s CHENGDU DATA CENTER.
http://i61.tinypic.com/4h9hxk.jpg

Network
We use double WAN router from CISCO as our main router, and draw one 100M fiber from CHINATELECOM and another 100M fiber from CHINAUNICOM as back up. one 4G wireless internet was also ready for use once it is necessary .
http://i58.tinypic.com/2e1gmxz.jpg

Environment control
Huge fans with the size of 1.5M are installed on one of the whole walls with the capacity to refresh all the air inside the farm within 10 second when all working.
http://i61.tinypic.com/t6a695.jpg
The pic of running s5
http://i62.tinypic.com/wt7rbo.jpg




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 03, 2015, 06:07:59 AM
What's up with Asicminer?

Well folks,
This looks like the end of the road for AM.  Friedcat has abandoned it.  I secretly hope this nudges him out, but all indications are that he has left the building.  Another one bites the dust. :(

This is very sad to hear. Really doesn't sound Friedcat-like at all. Why would the guy who has always gone out of his way to make things right do this?

Only reason I can think of would be that be300 turned out to be a total failure.

Can you elaborate further on what makes you think FC abandoned the company?
Internal interference.  I would guess he's had enough of bullshit


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 03, 2015, 06:35:10 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Unacceptable on March 03, 2015, 06:59:45 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

I get my posts deleted quite often.....if you just post a character or smiley or +1,they consider it "Off topic"/non related to OP  ::)

So kinda doubt dogie had anything to do with it....this time  :D

This may be deleted soon too  ;D


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 03, 2015, 07:06:50 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

I get my posts deleted quite often.....if you just post a character or smiley or +1,they consider it "Off topic"/non related to OP  ::)

So kinda doubt dogie had anything to do with it....this time  :D

This may be deleted soon too  ;D
All my previous posts that were deleted in the last 3 months were due to a certain dog complaints.
He admitted complaining.
He might be innocent here, but I have strong dog stench.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Unacceptable on March 03, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

I get my posts deleted quite often.....if you just post a character or smiley or +1,they consider it "Off topic"/non related to OP  ::)

So kinda doubt dogie had anything to do with it....this time  :D

This may be deleted soon too  ;D
All my previous posts that were deleted in the last 3 months were due to a certain dog complaints.
He admitted complaining.
He might be innocent here, but I have strong dog stench.

Well,talk to Bick,it's his thread & it's "self-moderated".Maybe he's pulling a "dog leg" on ya  :D


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 03, 2015, 09:22:59 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

I get my posts deleted quite often.....if you just post a character or smiley or +1,they consider it "Off topic"/non related to OP  ::)

So kinda doubt dogie had anything to do with it....this time  :D

This may be deleted soon too  ;D
All my previous posts that were deleted in the last 3 months were due to a certain dog complaints.
He admitted complaining.
He might be innocent here, but I have strong dog stench.

Well,talk to Bick,it's his thread & it's "self-moderated".Maybe he's pulling a "dog leg" on ya  :D
No, I got a PM that it was deleted by a mod.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 03, 2015, 10:15:41 AM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

Holy shit... you kidding me?

What a douche bag, if he complained that is, but that be right considering the change to the title was a DIRECT dig as his more BIAS thread.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 03, 2015, 01:36:42 PM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

Holy shit... you kidding me?

What a douche bag, if he complained that is, but that be right considering the change to the title was a DIRECT dig as his more BIAS thread.
If he didn't complaint, I'll:

1) Publicly apologized.
2) Stop complaining about the fact that he is marking us as taking pre-orders.

All he needs to do is to reply to this post and simply state that he didn't complaint.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: IYFTech on March 04, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
Changed thread title to reflect changes in the available hardware section biased and opinionated guides.
A smile post I've made in reply got deleted.
I believe I know which dog complained to the mods.
I'm not expecting anything from him.
I do expect the mods to be more tolerant.

Guy

Holy shit... you kidding me?

What a douche bag, if he complained that is, but that be right considering the change to the title was a DIRECT dig as his more BIAS thread.
If he didn't complaint, I'll:

1) Publicly apologized.
2) Stop complaining about the fact that he is marking us as taking pre-orders.

All he needs to do is to reply to this post and simply state that he didn't complaint.

Guy

Well, I guess you've got your answer then......if he had of answered your post, he would have been lying anyway  :D


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 04, 2015, 11:42:21 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Technobit create sock puppet accounts to bury questions that hurt company and friends of technnobit jump in and support it. We can see what you are doing Marto.

Zich certainly loves to help bury the complaints...

nice a quick response from technobit...but...how about my 3x hex4m... :-\ :-\ :-\
my order still wasnt send...still shows Preparation in progress
im still waiting...
on monday, someone reply to me:
HI,
The second order is to be shipped tomorrow or Wednesday

From: hugo fernandes
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:36 PM
To: Customer service
Subject: [TechnoBit] Message from contact form [no_sync]

TechnoBit
 
Message from a TechnoBit customer
 
Customer e-mail address: soulistyces@gmail.com

Im still waiting for this order since day 4 of this month!!!!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
to replace one burned your fast to send 3 new your slow....
order THIFVNNBU

please send them or ill give up on you guys and asked for a refund
one thing for sure i was going to buy more 3 this end of the month and give up on you guys

Your sending is out, later you'll get tracking in your account
Marto when will you actually ship my 8 replacement boards, the ones that you supposedly would ship 2 weeks ago but never did? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Your 8 ones are already @ speedy warehouse
expect tracking on  PM later today or tomorrow morning
Still nothing, again, just like when you said 6 weeks ago, and 2 weeks ago, and 3 days ago, when they "were already at Speedy station". And in the meantime another board dead, and 1 shows no leds anymore.
And, nothing shipped, again?

No surprise. Then amazingly a 1 post newbie comes in and buries your post with Zich's help. I see a pattern.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 05, 2015, 05:34:31 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif FriedCat Missing? Asicminer in dire trouble? Sound like the Avalon chip debacle all over again.

Interesting we certainly hope that FC is safe and that those with shares in Asicminer /AMHash are not going to lose all the value of their investment. At this point Asicminer's next chip looks even more doubtful. Is this end of Asicminer?

I'm sorry to tell u that FC hasn't been found yet! The one who claimed that FC has been found and will make announcemnet
is the main suspect of kidnapping FC! He's the owner of the mining factory and maybe that's him who took over the miners!
He also has a very bad reputation! In fact, many friends of FC in the industry had warned him not to deploy in the guy's
factory!

And the factory is not located at Mongolia but HuaiAn City, JiangSu Province.
Yep, he's the one who stole equipment according to incoming reports... I've heard feedback from other sources that fc is alive but we'll see about the announcement... You are correct in your suspicion of anything truthful coming out of that "partner's" mouth.

Also, on the office closing, fc's AM partner had let go of most staff, appearantly chip designers too... There was major problems between fc and his partner from what I've gathered.
Take all these things with a grain of salt and treat them as rumors until confirmed by others.


here is my take, AM will cover the dividends for AMHash. Amhash was supposed to be a way to mine risk free, without variation and uptime/downtime of hw. The formula for dividends is just maths, so this gave an opportunity for the miner to make some money with variation/luck while being constant for the AMhash holder. If something happened to the physical equipment then the miner was incentivised to fix it but this wouldn't change the maths in divedend back to the share holder.

We are going to see a dump of AM1,AM100,AMHASH. People are spooked, there is alot of disinformation, other folks threatening physical violence/menaces etc.

Announcements will come, and confidence will come back, then market will resume normal behavior. Isn't this how it has been always?

I think the question should be more around, will you be short selling to increase position or selling to get out or holding. Im going to hold and I standby by making that decision public.


I don't know how anyone can believe the AMHASH fairy tale when they have changed the story (lied) 3 times now:

1.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10392962#msg10392962

2.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10610885#msg10610885

3.- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg10631414#msg10631414

And they are so cynical that want us to sit and wait for the infamous friedcat for him to appear in its own free will, not even that they are searching for him.

This is an insult, fight back here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=974893.0

JOIN THE HUNT


update

The 3.546PH AMHash's hashrates have disappeared since 25th Dec 2014. We found this problem two days later,we asked friedcat,he said it was mining farm's maintenance issues, hashrates would come back soon. But one week later, hashrates didn't come back yet.When we asked FC again, we were told that all mining devices were robbed by the partner of the mining farm. And all hashrates were out of control.

After then, FC told us that hashrates from new mining farms will be deployed, but we didn't know the amount at that time. Right now, we still don't receive any update from those new hashrates.

AMHash Team

The Announcement of AMHash Dividends Suspending

Dear customers,

We are very sorry to inform you that we have to continue to delay AMHash’s dividends,as we haven't received the payment from ASICMINER since 8th Feb,we are trying to communication with ASICMINER for this issue :

1. Dividends will be restarted in 24 hours as soon as ASICMINER sending us BTCs.

2. Dividends will be paid from 8th Feb and all missing dividends will be included if we get the payment.

3. Trading of AMHash1 on HAVELOCK will also be suspended until the dividends restart.

4. Any third-party platform collapse will be handled in the same way as hashie.co, AMHash will complete the hashrates transferring and subsequent dividends.

We are still in active communication with ASICMINER, please be patient,and we will update in time if we get any new information.

AMHash Team


关于AMHash暂停分红的公告

尊敬的客户,

非常抱歉的通知大家,由于AMHash没有收到ASICMINER支付的BTC,我们的分红将不得不继续暂停:

1.分红重新启动的日期取决于ASCIMINER何时支付,我们将在收到ASCIMINER支付BTC的24小时内启动分红。

2.收到ASCIMINER支付的BTC后,我们将按照分红日期的次序,依次进行分红,即之前未完成的分红仍将补偿。

3.我们将暂停HAVELOCK的AMHash1的交易功能,如有必要我们将与HAVELOCK沟通转股事宜。

4.任何第三方平台倒闭等导致的问题处理方式将同于hashie,我们将完成客户算力转移和后续分红。

我们仍然在积极的与ASICMINER沟通,请大家耐心等待,有消息我们将在第一时间通知大家。

AMHash团队


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 05, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
The Soup Thickens. RockAsics

update :

1. We have lost contact with Friedcat more than 40 days, we are now still focusing on finding him.
2. A lot of evidences we have found shows that he is safe, which is the only good news recently. In addition, all rumour around the community are baseless and untrustworthy. We know so far nothing about where has he been and where is he at the moment.
3. We have to focus on finding him currently so there are indeed some delay on replying email of sale@bitquan.com. However, since we have all records of your emails so it is only a problem of time, please understand and be patient.
4. AMHASH project is not from sale team of ASICMINER, we know nothing about the deal between Friedcat and ROCKMINER, no one else has seen the contract between them either ,therefore, we sale department of ASICMINER is not be in charge of AMHASH project, please be patient to wait till we find FC.

This is interesting if Rock and FriedCat "reorganize"?

That is certainly interesting in a number of ways. 1. Rock is a pretty stand up kid with a lot of drive and very ethically grounded. 2. Would this combination work in a reformed Rockminer / Asicminer company that casts off some weight?

Like a soap opera.

Edit...

Empty office... oh oh.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977777 has some pictures of the empty office - empty except for some chairs, gift boxes (probably empty)

This is just a picture of an empty office, I don't see anything that connects this particular empty office to any particular entity. You might as well claim this office belongs to Avalon, Bitfury, or Huwaei. It's like people selling miners without their username/date--it's not very strong proof of anything.

Any thoughts?
Yes, it's asicminer office (room 1317). I can gurantee, I've been there. Before the holiday, there were many young guys working there.
And you know what? The ShenZhen office of TSMC is downstairs (room 1201) !!!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 06, 2015, 11:39:47 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Where has Asicminer / FriedCat gone?

Not a very organized fellow are the rumors I hear about FC but is this just a throw your arms in the air run for the hills to retool and relaunch your company because you are overwhelmed or are we looking at the end of Asicminer? Clearing out offices without notice seems more than odd. 2 months without contact is even stranger still.


after chinese new year. amhash announced they didn't get cloud mining bitcoin from asicminer.
we found that:
1, friedcast lost contact from 2 month ago.
2, asicminer moved from their shenzhen office to some place in early of Feb.
3, other member of asicminer kept silence.
wtf happened in china, company corrupted one by one.
http://i.imgur.com/QJLXCqL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UJ7EuXv.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/bwYCODU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Yi5rrcy.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s2Ap8hX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tMoPhtG.jpg


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2015, 02:30:34 AM
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/meh_zpstkjwsl5l.png Bitmain Price Hikes


Neither a thumb up or down in my opinion.

Anyone who has been buying small amounts of miners is not being realistic about ROI anyhow. So this price increase and pre-order is a default setting as such by Bitmain to get themselves out of the consumer marketplace. It is the final nail in the coffin of the home to small miner.

If you want lower priced units you will be buying in BULK or B2B. So it is clearly game over for consumer mining sales.

The only potential might be DIY boards with Spondoolies Tech or Bitmaintech chips. But given the costs involved and no chance for sales to exceed the investment it makes little or no sense to build boards for the consumer market. It is over.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2015, 05:31:01 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Asicminer chips on hold rumor has it.

As little information seems to be officially coming out on the ASICMINER / FriedCat front we all are left wondering about the companies future.



Mystery in Bitcoinland…. the disappearance of FriedCat

http://www.btcreporter.com/2015/03/04/mystery-in-bitcoinland-the-disappearance-of-friedcat/

Can anyone confirm/deny?

I can verify I heard this too from an inside source...the project is on hold until FC reappears


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 11, 2015, 05:38:21 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Asicminer chips on hold rumor has it.

As little information seems to be officially coming out on the ASICMINER / FriedCat front we all are left wondering about the companies future.



Mystery in Bitcoinland…. the disappearance of FriedCat

http://www.btcreporter.com/2015/03/04/mystery-in-bitcoinland-the-disappearance-of-friedcat/

Can anyone confirm/deny?

I can verify I heard this too from an inside source...the project is on hold until FC reappears
Disclaimer: Un-based speculation, no source behind it, just me thinking.
Someone should check if the coins that were moved from the various AM wallets ended up in known exchanges addresses.
TO cost + initial wafer ordering will be anything between $2.5M and $10M
Again, disclaimer: Un-based speculation, no source behind it, just me thinking.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2015, 05:46:11 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Asicminer chips on hold rumor has it.

As little information seems to be officially coming out on the ASICMINER / FriedCat front we all are left wondering about the companies future.



Mystery in Bitcoinland…. the disappearance of FriedCat

http://www.btcreporter.com/2015/03/04/mystery-in-bitcoinland-the-disappearance-of-friedcat/

Can anyone confirm/deny?

I can verify I heard this too from an inside source...the project is on hold until FC reappears
Disclaimer: Un-based speculation, no source behind it, just me thinking.
Someone should check if the coins that were moved from the various AM wallets ended up in known exchanges addresses.
TO cost + initial wafer ordering will be anything between $2.5M and $10M
Again, disclaimer: Un-based speculation, no source behind it, just me thinking.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/15/62/9515620db43424dd603e19e5b0c3261a.jpg

Did you just hint big time?

Also doing this as a smoke screen to hide a new chips development could be news.

Seems like BITMAIN thinks he didn't order up anything according to their spies.

Certainly something to work through for those with a BLOODHOUND and some sparetime.

Chip hype...



I would like offer a best ever miner design in exchange for such chip. What I mean of 'ideal miner'. Manufacturing costs for miner will be only around 1/5 of overall price. 4/5 of price will be net cost of chips.

Miner will run at high voltage with great efficiency ~95%.
I have prototypes for different current chip manufacturers, so I can provide proof if needed. Also I have a farm for personal use that employ such technology.
whay you joke around bitcoin.If you good chip designer.Apple,AMD,Samsung pay you couple bilion $ and more if you design working FinFET in 14-16 nm.
But if i can design working 14-16 nm chip i sale patent right in first year 100$ by chip and colect 20-30 bilion $ second year by apple,samsung,AMD,Intel and all other smartphone company.



TSMC: We're "Far Superior" to Intel and Samsung as a Partner Fab - See more at:  year 2013 http://www.dailytech.com/TSMC+Were+Far+Superior+to+Intel+and+Samsung+as+a+Partner+Fab/article34148.htm#sthash.2SBQbwb0.dpuf
today after spending 10 bilion in FAB
http://recode.net/2015/02/04/apple-taps-samsung-to-manufacture-next-iphone-chip/

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2015/02/18/2003611800

you must contact  http://www.tsmc.com/english/default.htm tsmc produce chip You must have only $ in advance cuple year.


If I understand you correctly, you're saying bitcoin chip designers should be working toward a FinFET 14-16 nm chip.  I've read that there are two companies getting close.... and one company has reached tapeout saying the chip is 0.07 W/GHS???:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/11/02/bitcoin-brothers-aim-to-disrupt-bitcoin-mining-with-new-more-powerful-supercomputers/

http://cryptomining-blog.com/3854-kncminer-solar-new-16nm-asic-chips-coming-in-2015/

http://www.creandum.com/accel-partners-invests-in-kncminer-16nm-tape-out-completed/

Maybe we won't see these 2 manufacturers with the super efficient mining rigs using the FinFET16 chip for a few or several months?:

http://wccftech.com/tsmcs-16nm-finfet-faces-delays-qualcomm-jumps-ship-samsung/

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-moving-to-tsmc-16nm-finfet-process.html

All in all, it looks like a new "chip efficiency race" is ready to begin??

or

Is it all hype???

Bottomline:

Most miners love what Bitmain has done for the industry. If these new super efficient chips are close to becoming a reality, then Bitmain is likely exploring/developing them too.... so that they can maintain their share of the market.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 11, 2015, 06:00:13 AM
Regarding AM:
Five different Chinese friends told me that FC really disappeared. Four of them has no connection to AM/RM.
I don't really know, but I find the coins movement very strange. I can think of three reasons: coercion, AM decided to TO and disappear (e.g. do self mine for their benefit only), AM decided to disappear/hibernate and split the coins betweens the various Chinese stakeholders.
I don't have any other explanation. It's all un-based speculations by me.

Regarding BMT price hike, I will refer you the following: https://twitter.com/bitfurygeorge/status/575164367370461184


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2015, 06:05:25 AM
Regarding AM:
Five different Chinese friends told me that FC really disappeared. Four of them has no connection to AM/RM.
I don't really know, but I find the coins movement very strange. I can think of three reasons: coercion, AM decided to TO and disappear (e.g. do self mine for their benefit only), AM decided to disappear/hibernate and split the coins betweens the various Chinese stakeholders.
I don't have any other explanation. It's all un-based speculations by me.

Regarding BMT price hike, I will refer you the following: https://twitter.com/bitfurygeorge/status/575164367370461184

I certainly hope FC is fine and safe somewhere it is all fun and games until someone kidnaps you and steals all your bitcoins.

BMT price hike... meh. Whatever the reason I think it is good cover to get out of the consumer miner game. Make it so unreasonable with pre-orders and price hikes that you get a tidy profit off the backs of people who just don't get it consumer mining is done. Read that as DO NOT BUY MINERS FOR HOME OR SMALL OPERATIONS USE. I don't see how anyone at this point is still mining at home or thinking about a tiny mine. (Unless you know something about a SHA256 altcoin that is not merge mined and that others don't know about the potential of that coin that is.)

BULK hydro and hardware with cheap warehousing space. Ukraine? China?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on March 11, 2015, 06:07:49 AM
Regarding AM:
Five different Chinese friends told me that FC really disappeared. Four of them has no connection to AM/RM.
I don't really know, but I find the coins movement very strange. I can think of three reasons: coercion, AM decided to TO and disappear (e.g. do self mine for their benefit only), AM decided to disappear/hibernate and split the coins betweens the various Chinese stakeholders.
I don't have any other explanation. It's all un-based speculations by me.

Regarding BMT price hike, I will refer you the following: https://twitter.com/bitfurygeorge/status/575164367370461184

I certainly hope FC is fine and safe somewhere it is all fun and games until someone kidnaps you and steals all your bitcoins.
I share your hopes. I really like him.
I also hope that all will be resolved in a way that will make AMHash customers whole.

Guy


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 11, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Regarding AM:
Five different Chinese friends told me that FC really disappeared. Four of them has no connection to AM/RM.
I don't really know, but I find the coins movement very strange. I can think of three reasons: coercion, AM decided to TO and disappear (e.g. do self mine for their benefit only), AM decided to disappear/hibernate and split the coins betweens the various Chinese stakeholders.
I don't have any other explanation. It's all un-based speculations by me.

Regarding BMT price hike, I will refer you the following: https://twitter.com/bitfurygeorge/status/575164367370461184

I certainly hope FC is fine and safe somewhere it is all fun and games until someone kidnaps you and steals all your bitcoins.
I share your hopes. I really like him.
I also hope that all will be resolved in a way that will make AMHash customers whole.

Guy


Doesn't look good...

update :

1. We have lost contact with Friedcat more than 40 days, we are now still focusing on finding him.
2. A lot of evidences we have found shows that he is safe, which is the only good news recently. In addition, all rumour around the community are baseless and untrustworthy. We know so far nothing about where has he been and where is he at the moment.
3. We have to focus on finding him currently so there are indeed some delay on replying email of sale@bitquan.com. However, since we have all records of your emails so it is only a problem of time, please understand and be patient.
4. AMHASH project is not from sale team of ASICMINER, we know nothing about the deal between Friedcat and ROCKMINER, no one else has seen the contract between them either ,therefore, we sale department of ASICMINER is not be in charge of AMHASH project, please be patient to wait till we find FC.

Is the new chip in production Phasebird?  Or what is the status of that project?

hello, BE300 project is still on going with the rest of AM team as I know. however ,since AM lost FC, a lot of decisions are probabaly hard to make.

In terms of our hardware sale department,we have saved all emails and will try to re-build our bussiness team as quick as we can.

please wait the upcoming statement from the board of AM.
It is not ongoing.  The sample chips were ordered on a shared wafer last year.  However, production chips were NEVER ordered, so nothing is ongoing Phasebird.
Even if some board members finally decide to do their job, the first order of business is to get rid of Dave.  Then if they put together funds and order the chips, how many months before a working product can begin to ship? By that time it's irrelevant.  Whatever monies would be spent, would again be a complete waste.
It's over for AM.  Maybe something can be rebuilt with new real management and a proper sales team but it won't be AM anymore and would be a gamble bigger than AM.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 16, 2015, 07:48:55 AM
Does Oregon Miner employ Matt Carson?

When asked about the involvement of Matt Carson in OregonMiner business there has been no response. Customers who want to track him down might want to stop harassing Bitmain and start asking Oregon Miner where he is. There is no doubt that the owner of Oregon Miner knows where Matt Carson is and can contact him without hesitation.

We are still getting contacted from the customers of Minersource.net and Miner Hosting LLC... so let us repost this!

Also, we are getting inquires from minersource.net customers regarding hosted miners went offline for weeks and missing. We are NOT affiliated with minersource.net or Miner Hosting LLC and we DO NOT have information regarding their business status.

We have nothing to do with any miners being hosted by Minersource.net or bobsag3 or Thomas_s.  They were either hosted in their Aurora, Colorado facility or some at various locations.  Some users posted that Minersource.net was hosting miners at other facilities as well.  Please look at the trust feedback related to bobsag3 or Thomas_s for additional information.

According to some customers, some miners were sent to MinerSource's Facility in State of Oregon in USA. (We never verified that but it appeared the facility belonged to other company.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976172.20
OregonMines.com


Since we are getting inquires from MinerSource.net customers, not able to communicate with the sellers....

We have no idea of their status.  It could be just their website is down or DNS setting may went bad or whatever the cause may be  ???

If you are MinerSource.net customers who purchased Bitmain Antminer Products and needing tech support or warranty be taken care of, please submit a ticket at http://bitmain.zendesk.com or PM us or call us at +1-844-248-6246 Option 2

We CAN NOT issue refund on items purchased from MinerSource.net or Miner Hosting LLC, however, we may be able to assist you with the warranty or tech support need for the Bitmain Antminer Products.

Bitmain Product Warranties are 90-days from the factory shipping date.  (Not the day you purchased from someone reselling them.)  However, we do service miners that are even out of warranty for a small fees.  Just let us know what you need and we sure have some solutions for you on Antminer Related Products.

Thanks for the info Oregon Mines.

Is DG Rollins LLC or you 'OregonMines.com' related to Matt Carson aka bobsag3 or Minersource.net in anyway? And if so are you still in partnership with Matt as you were before?

Is Matt Carson working for Oregon Mines or part of the DG Rollins LLC?

You seem to have avoided that question.

The only person pushing this thread down a rabbit hole is Loshia. Typically off topic and has nothing to do the with the thread.

Simple questions being asked and answered. The only person that is being impolite is Loshia here, which doesn't surprise anyone given his defense of Martin and Technobit and their scams (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358439.msg5089474#msg5089474) right up to present times. His personal and sustained attacks on me is well documented. Even though he was warned not to do this by forum moderators he continues to harass me in countless threads.

It is fair to ask what Matt Carson's involvement in this is, given the mess he has left behind with a number of deals here in these forums. Any potential customers of DG Rollins LLC should rightly know if he is involved. If he is why isn't Matt coming clean and resolving the countless problems he has with former Minersource customers? Does DG Rollins LLC have contact with Matt Carson? If they do can they not persuade Matt Carson to resolve issues he has with his customers?

Given those trips to Black Arrow and Spondoolies involved DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson together there is certainly a reason to question the current standing and relationship of DG Rollins LLC and Matt Carson. The fact the "Loshia" is involved should also give any customer pause on anything related to a company, he seems only to post in an  attempt to defame (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569926.msg10703809#msg10703809) others and away from the specific question being asked. Smoke screens seem to be unnecessary here given that the principals are willing and able to respond to polite questions about who is involved in their business without resorting to name calling like Martin and Loshia did when questioned about their less than reputable business practices.

Clearly there is a "relationship" with Minersource and that might give at least former customers worry if not the whole community. That is why I asked the question so that consumers at least know a relationship did / does exist with these companies. The consumers who might be interested in what is being offered can now measure that information and weigh the risks involved. Without asking that question it was clearly never going to be brought up voluntarily by Oregon Mines.


Sample complaints from Loshia favorite company Technobit:

one more day with still no reply  ??? ??? ???
This is getting nowhere, the guy isn't even reacting anymore here. Lying about shipping week after week, looks as if this is going like minersource. Pooofff, and they are gone!!
not reacting...not replying to contact...email...nothing...looks like this time they are stealing our money :-[ :-[ :-[
another time?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 18, 2015, 05:06:58 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Bitmain hit and miss at times with customer service.

It is not a good day when you see these sorts of posts especially when you have been trying hard to solve issues and help customers. Is Bitmain slipping?

This is just one in a handful of such complaints but is this a sign of Bitmain slipping to a state where people should not buy from them? Comments are welcome.


…just kidding, the t-shirt is actually nice.

TL;DR Bitmain mailed me two broken miners in January. I sent them in for repairs 3 times, which took over a month. I lost out on ROI, asked for compensation, was send 20 mBTC, some stickers and a t-shirt.

Basic Narrative:
I received the miners on schedule. One wouldn’t turn on at all. The other turned on, but I was having a hard time finding the IP address to be able to log in and change settings (which was just my lack of familiarity with Antminers). I emailed Bitmain informing them of both problems. I was in contact with a technician in China which was a slow process (about 1 email a day).

After a few days and getting put in touch with Yoshi (locally, in the States), I was directed to mail in the controller board of Unit #1. I sent it in. While Unit #1 was getting replaced, I noticed that Unit #2 had been hashing at about ½ speed, implying that one of the chips wasn’t working. I checked in with Yoshi, who assured me that nothing was wrong.  While we were still going back and forth as to whether Unit #2 was functioning properly, Unit #1’s control board arrived.

Unfortunately, Unit #1’s control board arrived still broken (not being able to turn on). I asked Yoshi if I could just send both miners in. He said yes, again assuring me that nothing was wrong with Unit #2. I respectfully disagreed and asked for compensation for all the downtime/lost ROI. He agreed that he would consider it. I sent both in. Just over a week later, both units arrived along with 2x 10 mBTC paper wallets and some stickers.

Unit #1 was working and the control board was replaced. Unit #2, however, was still hashing at ½ speed. I called in this time and spoke with Billy. I asked if he would cover shipping costs this time and he agreed (I had paid for shipping the previous two times). I asked Billy about “more” appropriate compensation for all the issues and he agreed to look into it.

About a week and a half later Unit #2 arrived in working condition, along with a couple more stickers and a Bitmain black t-shirt. I spoke with Billy and Yoshi multiple times since and I have been declined further compensation.

Timeline:
12.27.2014    Placed order for 2x Bitmain Antminer S5s; scheduled ship date for 01.04.2015
01.04.2015    Units arrived
01.09.2015   Emailed Bitmain in China asking how to change settings
01.10.2015   Informed Bitmain that one miner was DOA; broken controller board
01.14.2015   Transferred to Yoshi
01.15.2015   Unit #1 controller board shipped to Bitmain; ~$25 shipping cost
01.20.2015   Unit #1 arrived at Bitmain
01.21.2015   Recognized unit #2 was hashing at ~600 Gh/s; emailed Yoshi
01.22.2015   Unit #1 controller board shipped from Bitmain
01.23.2015   Unit #1 controller board arrived; it still does not work; email Yoshi
01.26.2015   Units #1 and #2 shipped to Bitmain (not just controller board); ~$25 shipping cost
01.30.2015   Unit #1 and #2 arrived at Bitmain
02.XX.2015   Units #1 and #2 shipped from Bitmain
02.04.2015   Units #1 and #2 arrive; Unit #1 is fixed; Unit #2 is still hashing at ~600 Gh/s; Bitmain included 2x 10 mBTC paper wallets and stickers;  emailed Yoshi
02.05.2015   Unit #2 shipped to Bitmain; $0 (shipping covered by Bitmain)
02.11.2015   Unit #2 arrives at Bitmain
02.12.2015   Unit #2 shipped from Bitmain
02.16.2015   Unit #2 arrives from Bitmain; Unit #2 is fixed; Bitmain included stickers and a Bitmain t-shirt

02.17.2015   Began proper compensation request emails; multiple dropped emails by Bitmain and follow ups by myself
03.12.2015   Yoshi confirmed that no further compensation will be offered.

Narrative Part II:
When I received these in working condition, I began posting them for sale. I sold them in two separate sales, both to PokeyJones. He was made aware of everything above, in real time. He just received Unit #2 and has noticed that when comparing it to Unit #1 and an additional S5 he purchased, it is not running up to par. Issue can be found in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985159.msg10794078#msg10794078

He is currently emailing with Bitmain. We are also discussing where to go from here. I have offered him a full refund. However, we would both like to find proper resolution from Bitmain, so I can keep the sale and he can keep the miner.

Personal Debrief:
Obviously, I’m disappointed. I mined ~BTC.15 from the day I received the miners to the last day they were returned to me. By my estimation I would have generated ~BTC.86. Granted ~BTC.3 would have gone to electricity costs. But I also incurred ~$50 in shipping charges, which is more than I mined. And, no disrespect to PokeyJones, the circumstances pushed me into a position of having to sell the miners at a loss, which I did not plan on doing.

I’ve never heard of Antminers having such issues. Maybe it’s a fluke that both of these arrived defective. I have no idea. I hope that if anyone else has experienced any similar issues, they post about it. If I had seen anyone post anything similar, I would have started writing about this earlier. Even now I’m hesitant posting this, because it is far from my intention to post some victimization piece on my experience and I wouldn’t be happy for it to come off that way.

I tried working with Bitmain to sort this out as best I could. So now I’m turning it over to the forum. Thoughts and suggestions welcomed.

Cheers!
BLC

Special thanks to PokeyJones for being patient and proof-reading.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on March 18, 2015, 06:53:16 PM
For: None Main land China Customers:

For faster warranty/tech support, please contact

+1-844-248-6246 option 2 via telephone

Support Ticket: support@bitmain.zendesk.com

Live Chat
https://v2.zopim.com/widget/livechat.html?key=2ZaJsbRPVUUFCqOE8MmgXgbFFdNYxOBP

Simply Return the defective item to the following address with a Tracking Number.
*90-days from the purchase from the manufacture (not when you purchase it from someone who is reselling it)

Bitmain Warranty
3700 Quebec Street
Unit 100-239
Denver, Colorado 80207
USA

Please include the printed Bitmaintech.com Order Confirmation Page and Printed Return Address and a Brief Description of what is not working for you and a way to reach you

Expired Warranty Item can be serviced for fees. (Cost varies)




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 18, 2015, 11:35:42 PM
Thanks for the info... I hope customers in future use this information to get better service. I guess issue can develop for people trying to get things resolved through the Chinese end of your operation when you have representation already in the USA.

For: None Main land China Customers:

For faster warranty/tech support, please contact

+1-844-248-6246 option 2 via telephone

Support Ticket: support@bitmain.zendesk.com

Live Chat
https://v2.zopim.com/widget/livechat.html?key=2ZaJsbRPVUUFCqOE8MmgXgbFFdNYxOBP

Simply Return the defective item to the following address with a Tracking Number.
*90-days from the purchase from the manufacture (not when you purchase it from someone who is reselling it)

Bitmain Warranty
3700 Quebec Street
Unit 100-239
Denver, Colorado 80207
USA

Please include the printed Bitmaintech.com Order Confirmation Page and Printed Return Address and a Brief Description of what is not working for you and a way to reach you

Expired Warranty Item can be serviced for fees. (Cost varies)





Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 20, 2015, 06:43:59 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif So Bitmain makes good on customer complaint.

I think personally this customer puts it in perspective. I am still recommending Bitmain not necessarily because they are best in customer service or because they deliver on time all the time but because they do listen. They do try and they will work things out with customers given you get the right line of communication going. That means what for consumers? If you ever have a problem go directly to the US support numbers and be persistent.


http://i.imgur.com/WnsHMg9l.jpg

Wow after this story bitmain is a big NO NO to me. Where from did you gather enought nerves to wait that long time without compensation?
Mind tell us how mutch did you exactly lose in that time? I'd just gater it up, write up summs in excel and tell them to cover it.
It's their fault anyway.

I'm kind of like Batman. See OP for amount.

.                                                                                                                                                                                                                .

Update: I spoke with a representative from Bitmain on the phone. I have three articles to share.

1) Advice for anyone in a similar situation
A. Don't invest more than you can afford to lose.
Okay, now the real stuff.
B. Document everything as I did above, especially, the timeline.
This will make things significantly simpler for everybody. I will admit that I presented this documentation in this thread before I shared it with Bitmain. I did this because I assumed that because they were the second party involved in this series of events, they understood it in the same light I did. This is not true. A big reason, being, I'm sure, that I spoke with multiple representatives throughout the 2+ months.
C. Share the documentation with the manufacturer before you publish it.
As soon such information enters the public domain, both parties are encumbered by public opinion. In a court of law, this can be potentially construed as blackmail or extortion. The manufacturer, in this case, is then precluded from further cooperation. The purchaser, is then vulnerable to legal action. This is extremely sensitive. Note that it is okay to publish, but if you do, expect nothing. Consider yourself effectively forfeiting any opportunity.

2) My impression of the process
My impression is that Bitmain is busy. This is not unethical nor malicious. It is a lean model, which is due for an iteration. The best I can think to do as consumers is to encourage RMA Process Development through positive feedback.
In speaking with the Bitmain USA Rep, I got the impression that they do want to help. We are all in a maturing industry, which requires patients from both organizations and individuals. Self disclosure: I also work in an immature industry and completely understand the difficulty of doing business in a rough industrial environment - it's still the wild west, as they say.

3) My concerns are addressed
As mentioned, the publication of documentation, as I have done, assumes an encumbrance. Thus, regardless of Bitmain policy, compensation is not an appropriate option. I am inclined to avoid further encumbrance, so I will simply say that my concerns were addressed. Sorry for the lack of narrative; I promise nothing extraordinary happened, only some well had communication... Nah! Just kidding, I'l provide some closure: they offered a fair sliding scale refund based on down time. The refund has been declined, but I think it is appropriate and am a happy Bitmain customer in the end.

I am not above posting a tip jar if you found this information helpful: 1CaWCw2tj5zmRdDDSNiT5NP3HDdzshiXs5


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 21, 2015, 05:25:13 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Rock Xie Updates The Community. Trouble is increasing.

Having met Rock Xie before I can only imagine how this young bitcoin businessman is holding together while everything is crumbling around him.

If there is no proper communication with AM investors we all know how it may end.

Here is a tell all story from RockMiner CEO Rock Xie...

http://www.8btc.com/amhash-rock-xie

Following translation is using Google Translate...

Quote
Crazy Xiaoqiang: The last thing to talk about AMHash

Waited so long, and finally there is a bulletin, but the disappointing thing, it seems that no substantive content, particularly on AMHash, but also with a serious misleading, so many people think that this project is entirely RockMiner operation. Once again, I expressed disappointment at the same time last clarification.

The following description of the facts are objective facts, if there is any false, I personally would be willing to any and all liability due to bear false information.

AMHash project was commissioned RockMiner ASICMiner responsible for sales and marketing, in the face of a client's project, these operators are ASICMiner forces have been deployed in force in China's Jiangsu Huaian count. Before the project started RockMiner AMHash have experienced severe losses, the RM account was not much money (600 + BTC), we have dared to tamper with, because before proved, the more we produce chips based BE200 mining machine loss more serious.

AMHash Project Origin:

In October 2014, when, on the one hand currency price slump, on the other hand mining machine competition heated up the stage, the mining machine manufacturers not only difficult to complete the sales plan, and sales profits again reached historic lows. According to past experience, the mining machine manufacturers to quickly handle inventory there are two main ways: external sales and self-deployment (including joining deployment). But with the emergence of large-scale mining and professional force cloud count is actually a combination of two ways: the manufacturers themselves deployment, and then calculate the force sold to customers in order to achieve clear inventory, cost recovery, and the ability to earn a profit (maintenance costs).

For AM, the company has been producing mining machine, mining machine problems but the quality and design, although the sales department in order to promote sales of all outsourcing, but has been plagued AM market downturn and the quality of their products bring torture . And this time the force has become popular cloud count, and I had many discussions and roasted cat cloud count feasibility force, as we all know, R & D programs are inherently AM mining machine specifically designed for large-scale deployment, in series, a low-cost, noise, these features mean more suitable for large-scale deployment, not suitable for family-mining.

In addition, AM hands of a few hundred K BE200 chip, if you can not be realized as soon as the remaining chips, will bring greater losses, the longer the time, the chip will be more severe devaluation (born from the chip to the time, the value of the chip has been is half of the original, S5 upcoming news has been flying out). But the chip costs still need a lot of money, the speed and the number of fund-raising has become an important factor in the ability to quickly inventory chip realized, if financing too long, will lead the mining machine to sell / deployment time stretched, will lead to huge losses, which makes the pressure greater than the mining machine.

Inevitably toward large-scale mining development group has become a consensus, and cloud solutions precisely calculate the force as long as possible to ensure the safety of the mine and electricity costs, cloud projects are generally not considered a loss of power, the rapid development of HASHNEST is one example . Based on the status AM company / industry environment and Trend, grilled cat has realized that cloud forces may really be considered the future direction of AM, after many arguments, and I think we can try grilled cat, but the key is to find electricity cheap enough space.

In late 2014 to mid-October, when the cat made roast, AM has been deployed in Huai'an several P operator force is deployed in collaboration with others, can be sold. Prior to this, I AM deployed in Huai'an completely unaware of this project, because there has been no publicly AM, just before the deployment of some of the operators know AM force, but specifically how much, and where exactly is unclear. The project, the biggest risk is that the mine safety and tariffs on these two points, I know very well, and therefore had repeatedly grilled cat confirmation. The answer is that these operators force is already deployed AM, and in the operation, the security without any problems, and very, very cheap electricity, even at the beginning of 10RMB / T / DAY prices, there is still room for price cuts. Finally, taking into account factors such as market reaction, we agreed to try to force the water 1P count.

Please note, AMHash force the operator to sell, not after the deployment of a temporary or sold out, but already exists operator force, which in fact has ruled out a lot of unknown risks, such as the deployment of the time delay, mine design unreasonable electricity result in downtime and so on.

When baked cat discuss the significance of this project, it is clear that sell grilled cat cloud calculate the force is not simply a few existing operators P force to sell, but there are long-term plan that you want to fight a long-AM brand, similar HASHNEST, so, after all remaining BE200 chip count can quickly become a force, such as BE300 even came out, do not worry too much about the problem of mining machine sales, AM can deploy your own machine, and then the count force to sell. In addition, AM and RM that time was already there, including staff seconded some cooperation, including mining machine sales, AMHash project has also become one of them.

Above is AMHash of origin.

AMHash sales force considered the historical process

In October 2014, taking into account that HAVELOCK larger customer base, good reputation influence, we decided to choose and work with them sales, the fact that we made the right choice, HAVELOCK played its role, and is a responsible platform. AMHash1 did not sell much, just over 460 TH, but because just started, did not show the effect of publicity, a lot of people also have doubts AMHash1 rate of return, and therefore did not participate. We also thought that the cloud was not considered force to engage, sell concessions so nobody interested in that direction is wrong. But then the situation was reversed, there have customers asking AMHash thing, and when it opened the second consultation phase of the project.

In late November 2014, we officially launched AMHash2 sales. After the AMHash1 sales force of 460 + T count after, hashie.co in mid-November to contact us, they want AMHash sales agents, in order to promote AMHash brands, increase sales, we have reviewed the qualifications hashie and agreed Their agent qualification, because the platforms are not familiar with, we have been asked to provide sales period hashie 30-80BTC as a deposit, and they need every day with our automated billing, sales commission income beyond the upcoming call us regret things, hashie issued a bulletin to be attacked by hackers in the end of December 2015, we have subsequently launched an emergency plan, a smooth transition to AMHash client platform (there are a few users to apply some still in the process).

AMHash2 sales and marketing AMHash1 similar, but shorter events, sold only 10 days, AMHash2 sold a total of more than 480 TH.

12 months late in 2014, we launched AMHash3, and to develop a marketing plan for Christmas. As a result of the early accumulation of reputation and customers, sales AMHash3 appeared very rapid growth in the first two-month period to sell a total of less than 1P, but the period of time in less than two weeks to sell nearly 2P more This time something happened, HASHIE claimed to have been hacked, we need to users on the move to AMHASH HASHIE or HAVELOCK up. One is based on the needs of brand building, on the other hand also because of the negative impact brought hashie black event, we accelerated the perfect platform for building and AMHash.com functions (including their own development and outsourcing core trading engine features, but ultimately not on the line), then AMHash.com on-line, the customer is responsible for platform dividends, interactive, answering to handle matters of power between different platforms customer count transfer.

AMHash mine problem

Sales are hot, we found through the mine pool API, originally mining accounts for nearly 5P count force, suddenly dropped 3P. I quickly contacted the roast cat, his reply is some failure is mine, is being maintained, will soon be restored. After a period of time yet to deal with (and mine partners appear a little contradictory), to be safe, we recommend to discontinue sales, grilled cat agreed, and decided to stop for some time, and so the new operator on the line after the force Look (you can see the last microblogging mail communication content). Stop sales force in the count of time, we have received hundreds of e-mails asking new sales force calculation time, thought quickly on the line, but due to later calculate the force not only failed to recover, even eventually disappear, and therefore new The sales force has not counted on the line. Being hundreds of emails and phone calls asking customers to continue to sell the plan, I even have a sense of accomplishment, Imagination AMHash brand has finally been recognized by the market, and before efforts were not in vain, AM can develop later, and RM can There are new developments in the space, and then, the fact that this is a fantasy.

After the count force disappears, I continued with the follow-up time for the first time as well as grilled cat communication, get back is always cooperative problem Huai'an mine, they are trying to, but did not disclose any details. And repeatedly stressed that they are producing new machines, the new operator will soon deploy forces in Ningxia and Jiangsu. Later, we all know the situation, the operator has not restored power, grilled cat a lost contact, and AM others say they do not know this thing, unwilling or unable to take responsibility.

AMHash how to deal with the problem

For this problem, recently plagued our core issues, a lot of people (customers, even AM) RM or I want to personally take responsibility, to be honest, we can not afford, or I have.

I am here to go back to RM, although the company serious losses in 2014, but the RM team would also have a great passion for the industry, thinking to do some things, but AMHash blow this thing is too great for the RM. We earn from AMHash project of more than four hundred block tens of thousands of coins and maintenance costs (all other sales have been paid to the designated address roasted cat, we have all the records to prove), in which more than three coins plus original balance currency for external acquisition of shares. Rest of the money, the time a few months we have seven or eight teams, flies extremely hard. Debu nice thing to say, we have five people on secondment to the AM (three core members, two general staff), last year and last month's wages are not paid year-end bonuses AM (currently by RM advance wages). In addition, AM still owe RM Part mining machine sales commission (simply means selling mining machine), as AMHash maintenance fee is owed several months. RM is now no longer any excess funds are our own team members to chip in struggling to stay afloat.

As for me personally, the RM project my original investment in addition to the internal and external public chips, I also added investment, one person accounted for two board seats. The project is on AM losses, had only 5,000 shares AMshares, but behind the share price 4BTC period began, has been repurchased, currently holds AMshares7278 shares, of which more than two hundred shares held on behalf of a friend for help. In order to repurchase these shares over 2000, I spent more than 3,000 BTC. And now, this part of the stock seems to have a tendency to zero (then if the cat has not appeared roast).

In addition, I am most reluctant to announce that the cat is still baked by my personal remaining 1000BTC no return (several months overdue).

On AMHash project, RM or I personally do not derive any unjust enrichment, RM or I personally can not afford at present no obligation to assume responsibility for any funds, we can do, we can only be such as AM willing to deal with this project when sidelines assist them to clarify that how much each investor compensation / bonus, help them communicate with customers, but not substantive action if the AM, we can not do anything.

David made the announcement in English mentioned "the computational that power AMHash managed by RockMiner has become unavailable", the language is very misleading, and calculate the force will AMHash brand mix spoke, giving the impression AMHash is managed by the RM. In fact, AMHash has two levels of meaning: a true force AMHash count, the second is AMHash.com the sales platform. Sales platform indeed RM team to build and maintain, and calculate the force is clearly not our responsibility and capacity, this had explained at the first time of sale.

I told David said, AMHash if not promptly deal will mark a myth shattered, he said: "What? What did not myth myth." I want to say is that it is bound to be on the History of Bitcoin an iconic time, regardless of whether the ultimate grilled cat, will mark an end to the era of personal reputation.

To be honest, it is very big blow for me, changed my views on many things. Although I know many people who like grilled cat, believed that he would come back, still do not believe the cat is subjective roast escape, but he disappeared objective facts, has given a lot of people, including me, causing injury.

To be honest, I'm tired, and I think quietly.

If the roast cat back, or front AM willing to resolve this matter, RM or they will be willing to assist all investor relations AMHash to clarify the exact compensation or dividends are sent to each investor's address.

Everything is like a dream, my main bitcoin career origin roast cat, the cat seems to finally turn the roast edge only.

Rock Xie
2015年3月12日


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Biffa on March 23, 2015, 01:00:46 PM
If you are tackling sellers, not just manufacturers, how about CrazyGuy and ASICPuppy.net they seem pretty reputable reseller.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 23, 2015, 02:07:30 PM
If you are tackling sellers, not just manufacturers, how about CrazyGuy and ASICPuppy.net they seem pretty reputable reseller.

Are they still selling?



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: jekecoin on March 23, 2015, 02:13:36 PM
If you are tackling sellers, not just manufacturers, how about CrazyGuy and ASICPuppy.net they seem pretty reputable reseller.

Are they still selling?



Look at the groupbuys subforum


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 23, 2015, 02:16:03 PM
If you are tackling sellers, not just manufacturers, how about CrazyGuy and ASICPuppy.net they seem pretty reputable reseller.

Are they still selling?



Look at the groupbuys subforum

Not the one making the suggestion. I know where to look but given that section is dead except for PCFLI and Canary hawking some non-miner wallet I am going to say no need to bother unless Biffa thinks there is a lot of volume lately not indicated in the group buy section but somewhere else. Looks like the market is drying up.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 24, 2015, 01:09:48 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Spondoolies unparalleled customer service. It will be a sad day when they stop making home miners.

What does it take to be the preeminent supplier of miners to this community?


Hello all...

Just wanted to add a few thoughts.  

I'm a small time miner that is running 6 sp20e and 2 sp10's.  I got rid of all my antminers to stick with SP-Tech after the success and ease I experienced with my first SP10.  

Lately one of my SP20e's developed a problem that baffled support@SP-Tech enough that Zvi had to get involved.  He spent a good 40 minutes working with me to resolve the problem, with a great attitude and the patience to explain what he was doing at each stage and answering my questions.  I don't think there are too many other lead engineers that would spend that kind of time and effort on a small customer!

So, I'm even more impressed and extremely satisfied with Sp-Tech and just wanted to share my experience.  With support like this, I'm sure I'll find space for the "industrial" class miner out next.

Thanks Zvi and SP-Tech




Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on March 26, 2015, 02:16:47 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Paid shill  'Cypherdoc' won't keep the BITCOIN paid to him by HashFast. That is good news and warning to shills.

Heads up people who shill for bitcoin or other currency you might get sued. We can only hope that this happens maybe then some people in these forums might start thinking twice about their allegiances to scam companies.


So, what is the difference to creditors between the liquidation trust they keep talking about (staying in chapter 11) vs. changing to chapter 7 and liquidating?  IOW, what value does this liquidation trust being advocated add to the creditors, when it sounds like all hard assets are gone?

The current lawyers have identified parties who money can be recovered from for various reasons or erroneous claims which could be disputed.  

For example 'Cypherdoc' the forum user that was pumping Hashfast has been identified and it is know he was paid 3000 Bitcoin to promote the company.  He is still holding 3,000 bitcoin and a lawsuit has been filed against him to have it returned to creditors.  That would be close to a million dollars in recovery right there.

At the same time there are some people who have file questionable claims and those could be disputed which would increase the amount paid out to legitimate claims.

If we vote down the plan and the case converts to chapter 7 we don't know that whomever the court appoints would bother pursuing the claims against people like cypherdoc at all.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's The Least Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on March 27, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
This is indeed excellent news!

I'll wager there's at least one forum member who's quivering in his kennel at this news  ;)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2015, 09:45:31 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Can you trust Dogie? Me thinks not. Dogie was collecting VAT without providing receipts. Counter to the requirement of the UK.

This certainly puts in perspective what Dogie is willing to do to make a buck off the people in these forums. It goes without saying that this practice will certainly get him in hot water with the UK government and it should be a warning for anyone using his services or purchasing anything from him.

BE WARNED WHAT HE RECOMMENDS SHOULD NOT BE FULLY TRUSTED.

This thread is certified Dogie POOP free! I ask Moderators to make certain DOGIE doesn't post here. I have asked him not to again and again and is the main reason I had to make this thread MODERATED over a year ago.

http://images.dogpoopsigns.com/img/lg/K/No-Dog-Pooping-Aluminum-Sign-K-2269.gif




Nope. (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20140109143644/http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/records-valid-invoice.htm#4)

Quote
If you are a seller registered for VAT you must give a buyer who is registered for VAT a VAT invoice for any standard-rated or reduced-rated items sold

You truly are a piece of work! Your link (quite aside from being an archive from 2009, though the concepts are current) does not state that the buyer is required to provide their registration number, rather that a registered seller is required to issue a VAT invoice to a registered buyer, else:
A VAT registered supplier may be fined if they do not issue a VAT invoice when asked to do so by a VAT registered buyer.
I do not know what you fail to understand by the last part of that quoted sentence .... which is more than ample proof of your VAT fraud seeing the transaction was Nov 14 and up to now you have refused to issue the invoice (as of today) under the pretext of being threatened.

But it your link goes further and says:

When a VAT invoice must not be issued

You must not issue a VAT invoice in the following situations:

your customer uses self-billing arrangements or you use authenticated receipts
you make a gift of goods on which VAT is due
you are selling goods using the VAT margin scheme for second-hand goods
you are selling goods using the tour operators' VAT margin scheme


Where does my transaction fall in that? Revel in your ignorance while you will ....

But like I said umpteen times, you do not have to explain yourself to me, neither have I asked for an explanation. You wanted substantiation of the VAT fraud allegation, and I have done that.

dogie is a VAT fraudster


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: deleterase on April 07, 2015, 11:15:00 AM
It's not as if he "accidentally forgot" to provide the VAT invoice(s) either - he is actively refusing to provide them. Highly illegal.

Bad dogie.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
@ Dogie.

You are NOT welcome to post in my moderated thread and that was clearly indicated to everyone on  February 11, 2015. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=799423.msg8987791#msg8987791)

Stop harassing me and this thread.

Note to Mods: I have had to deleted the same post 7 times already he knows he is clearly not welcome in this thread.

And no you can't do it all day as you will be banned for posting in a moderated thread that asked you NOT to post. Ask Loshia and Marto all about that little game. This time I am just going to report it to the Moderators. Let us see if you can follow the rules.

I will be removing this post once he gets the message or a ban... I suspect it will be a ban given he has yet to stop. I reserve the right to reinstate this message if he bumps this thread by posting again.

===

He should be given a few days to cool off that is what happens when you don't follow the rules.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2015, 11:21:35 AM
It's not as if he "accidentally forgot" to provide the VAT invoice(s) either - he is actively refusing to provide them. Highly illegal.

Bad dogie.

Yes and I think more people should report that to the  Report VAT fraud (https://www.gov.uk/report-vat-fraud) so others are not taken in by that scam again. I think we all know where this ends. Dogie is not to be trusted. Simple as that.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: charles2k on April 07, 2015, 11:48:37 AM
It's not as if he "accidentally forgot" to provide the VAT invoice(s) either - he is actively refusing to provide them. Highly illegal.

Bad dogie.
The same situation with VAT in UK is minereu. They do not provide UK invoice, but maybe you can save some bucks...


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2015, 11:51:42 AM
It's not as if he "accidentally forgot" to provide the VAT invoice(s) either - he is actively refusing to provide them. Highly illegal.

Bad dogie.
The same situation with VAT in UK is minereu. They do not provide UK invoice, but maybe you can save some bucks...

Oh my... are they still selling units? Need to add them to the naughty list if that is the case. That is tax fraud if you do that in the UK to save some bucks. BE CAREFUL. Recommend you steer clear of that game.

Do they ship reliably?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: kingcolex on April 07, 2015, 02:14:43 PM
Good to see a thread without money transferring hands that could skew the results!


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 07, 2015, 11:50:12 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Can you trust Dogie? No fricken way anyone should trust his lying fraudulent ass.

Dogie continues to "defend" his VAT fraud poorly by spamming this thread and the meta thread. At this point you really should avoid him, disassociate your company from him and never ever buy units from him as you run the risk of being caught out in him failing to provide a receipt indicating VAT. Classic way to cheat customers and the HMRC.

Dogie is a miner seller. Well within purview of this thread. Do not buy from Dogie.

Again I am formally asking the moderators  to act accordingly and ban Dogie for repeatedly spamming this thread. He has already questioned about this in the meta thread so x posting here is spam.

This is a public service to warn off purchasing from him or to rely on him for unbiased info on fabricators. This is simply a warning to forum goers like Martin, Georgio, Josh or others I have posted about in this moderated thread. If he wants to complain use the moderator complaint button or start his own thread.

Note that I am not going to be lured into a spam war I expect moderators to properly address his spam.  He is not welcome to post here as is the directive of the mods for moderated threads he must stop posting here.

I shall not repond to your nonsense about anything I do outside this forum, simply because I do not have to, suffice to say wherever I charge VAT I clearly display my VAT registration number. If you did not see any VAT registration number on my software site (thanks for the plug BTW), and did not see any charges for VAT in the cart, then what fraud are you accussing me of, even what law has been broken? If you go to my practice site, you'll find all the details you'd ever want there. And for the umpteenth time, this is not a thread about me, but you!.

You are right, I have NEVER asked you for an invoice (not even in this thread as you insinuate), and I have NEVER been interested in any of your invoices. But because I chose not to ask for an invoice does not mean relief for you from your legal obligations of providing an invoice.

You were accused of VAT fraud and YOU asked for substantiation. I did just that by asking you why you never sent me an invoice. You could have said I never asked for it and that would have been that, but because you have something to hide or all you do is not overboard, you chose to persue the lines of being threatened by me then of me not being VAT registered as the reason. What stopped you from telling the truth first time round? That fraud you are carrying out under the table.

Your ramblings about me accussing you of not being registered are again just diversions. Show the link where I said that, other than you suggesting it as a diversion. I told you I am an accountant, and I know for a fact that you can legally charge VAT without even being registered, so long as your turnover does not exceed a certain threshhold, so I could not have said that (and I don't even need to check back!) but being the nicompoop that you are even that basic fact that I provided you eluded you.

And my offer still stands, find and post any resource or link to it that says a buyer is required to provide their VAT registration number before a VAT invoice can be issued, and I'll post here my VAT registration number (even my practice website as a bonus!)

dogie is a VAT fraudster

Original accusation:

So now that you've brought it up again, exactly how does my supposed "VAT scam" work? What am I doing?

You should have let this lie like you did about taking your medication regularly.

You know pretty well that YOU have a VAT scam of sorts going on. I bought from you arig advertised with VAT and NEVER received a VAT receipt (despite telling you). Now if that is not VAT fraud (like other people have accused you of, even before I joined this forum), tell me what it is? It, of course, is another issue that I even gave you positive feedback, too early with hindsight as the rig only run for a few days as advertised then one of the modules died (I told you as much) ... but that is a story for another day!

I shall not go into responding to the flimsy accusations that you have labelled against me with in your negative trust (thats another joke, nothing at stake at all just his bruised ego counts for forum trust ..... what a joke!), but you've always asked for substantiated accusations, THERE IS ONE! You can add it to the accusations against me - dogie is a VAT fraudster.

On another note, for those that believe dogie is attacked for no reason, in his own words, you are his shill accounts! You can not imagine what storm rages in that idiot's head .... @bitchie dogie .... take your pills like the man in the white coat said, they'll help you!

EDIT I am pretty sure the twat will duck answering this (just like the true case of his medication), and will only post again after it is burried ....


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 08, 2015, 09:31:06 AM
Good to see a thread without money transferring hands that could skew the results!

I don't need money to skew the results... I'm not claiming this to be unbiased unlike others. Willing to change my mind given evidence unlike others.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 15, 2015, 01:49:08 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif  Is Spondoolies perfect? No.

There are always issues and not every customer is going to be 100% satisfied but it is in those moments of duress that a good company will show what is required to be a great company. I still think customers consider Spondoolies to be a great company even when problems occur they always do what is required in resolving the issue without resorting to name calling and backhanded comments. Bitmain should really learn that lesson and do more. Especially in cases where they and other fabricators employ or contract spokesmen that are rude and disrespectful to the community members they should immediately reprimand or fire such an individual. Professionalism is coming to bitcoinland and it is about time. Too bad it has to happen when home mining becomes obsolete if only there were competition early on in the FPGA days BFL and other scams would have had less of an impact.

Two recent cases in point.

Edgar

best of luck HerbPean!!

After over 2 weeks of non-support, i was finally permitted to return the DOA already RMA'd board back yesterday.

hopefully the next one wont be a dud, and if it is the returns process hopefully wont be so prolonged like this time.

with the accusations & attitude

quite disappoint-Ed


@Gordon - did you get sorted out yet?



and HerbPean

Allright,

RMA is close, Unit will be on my way tomorrow (I guess).

Hope I can hash a bit more coins with it ;-)

In an act of good faith they replaced one of my faulty board that had a short on the first ASIC (0) causing the ASIC (1) to not usable.

The replacement board has also a bad ASIC 0 but I will be able to use the ASIC 1.

Thanks you for this !

It wasn't tested before shipping back to you?

The unit will be shipped tomorrow. It has already been tested.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Last Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 17, 2015, 03:18:58 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Did Dogie sell top spot on his guide to Bitmain while other allegations are now surfacing from a number community members about unethical behavior on Dogie's part.

It is interesting in theory and it seems Spondoolies is in the act making some waves in Dogie's thread about unethical behavior that Bitmain was involved with that Dogie knows about. Interesting and I started this thread knowing full well it was a jab at Dogie for his BIAS rating system. Given recent allegations of scams involving VAT tied to Dogie as well as being caught in a number of lies he has told recently the trend is clear Dogie is less than reputable and consumers should avoid his "shop" as well as ratings of fabricators.

Bitmain dropped 10 points when I became involved with them.
Canaan Creative dropped 3 points when I became involved with them.
Spondoolies' rating has risen over the same period, even during the problems of under performing SP30 preorders.

Please don't bring the minuscule dropping of points into discussion because I already showed the real reasoning for this small drop(this was just a small step out of many steps for getting Bitmain to the top). If you want I can always refresh your memory.

Disclaimers
I provide technical support for 2 companies - Bitmain and Canaan Creative. Neither of these contracts has any influence over company ratings.
...
I don't believe this statement is true

Bitmain dropped 10 points when I became involved with them.
Canaan Creative dropped 3 points.
Spondoolies' rating has risen over the same period, even with the problems of under performing SP30 preorders.
I don't have a proof, but I think you know some stuff about Bitmain ethics which you refrain from taking into account.
I can't reveal what it is.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on April 26, 2015, 07:23:32 PM
Sad to see this...  :'(

To better service our customers, now, we have a live chat and accept audio call via Skype BitmainEnglish (No SMS or TEXT chat via skype, not yet...)

Now, native Russian Language Support is added via Support@bitmain.zendesk.com

Live Chat can be via
https://v2.zopim.com/widget/livechat.html?key=2ZaJsbRPVUUFCqOE8MmgXgbFFdNYxOBP

Telephone: +1-844-248-6246 (North American Number but can accept International Calls)
Telephone UK: 020-8144-6246


Please Please Please!!  Only Purchase Bitmain Product from http://www.bitmaintech.com or Bitmain shop on DHGate.com or Amazon.




https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Very UNLIKE Dogie's (removed by mod 's) version of how to treat a customer where fraud, faulty miners and abuse are claimed. Professionalism is something he lacks:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1018906.msg11184729#msg11184729


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on April 27, 2015, 07:23:44 AM
 :'( :'( :'(

Our International Support Teams are working around the clock and we will do our best to better ourselves.  Show us some LOVE!  ;)


I look forward buying Spondoolies gear.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 27, 2015, 07:38:29 AM
:'( :'( :'(

Our International Support Teams are working around the clock and we will do our best to better ourselves.  Show us some LOVE!  ;)


I look forward buying Spondoolies gear.


B2B or consumer grade products would be the question I ask PatSNL?

If you are still into home mining in the next 4 to 6 months I wonder if either Spondoolies or BITMAIN will be selling to home miners then.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Evan on April 27, 2015, 07:31:48 PM
:'( :'( :'(

Our International Support Teams are working around the clock and we will do our best to better ourselves.  Show us some LOVE!  ;)


I look forward buying Spondoolies gear.

Then FIX and update the C1 software please


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: PatSNL on April 27, 2015, 08:43:47 PM
B2B or consumer grade products would be the question I ask PatSNL?

I would take either type of product line.  For me it's about product reliability and efficiency.

The five Antminer S5's I've just sold off, or two Spondoolies SP20's.  I'll work with either.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: MyRig on April 28, 2015, 04:12:12 AM
Evan,

give us some info, what you think we should fix on C1? 



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: PatSNL on April 28, 2015, 07:10:37 AM
Our International Support Teams are working around the clock and we will do our best to better ourselves.  Show us some LOVE!  ;)

I appreciate your support teams.

Please show us  :) :) :) users  :) :) :) some love and answer this thread about S2 Upgrade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960885.msg11219460#msg11219460) please.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 28, 2015, 02:40:14 PM
Has Spondoolies seen the hardware writing on the wall and made a deal to keep it viable?

Interesting and probably bad news for any Spondoolies competition seeing as how they will have more than miners in their product portfolio. This is the future of mining consolidation beyond pools, clouds and hardware farms.

I wonder how this will shake out longer term?

Will we see others like BitFury and Bitmain do the same?

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/news

Quote
Big News Regarding the Future of Spondoolies-Tech

Spondoolies-Tech Signs Letter of Intent to Merge with Bitcoin Shop
Fully Integrated Transaction Verification Services Business Expected to Drive Diversification and Revenue Growth

Dear Bicknellski,

Big things are happening on our end.

In these very moments, we are publishing a very important press release with the different media outlets and wanted share the great news with you as well.

The content of the press release can be found below.

If you have any questions feel to reach out to us by email, facebook, or twitter.

Best Regards,

Guy Corem and the Spondoolies-Tech Team

Arlington, VA – (Marketwired – April 28, 2015) – Bitcoin Shop, Inc. (OTCQB: BTCS) (“BTCS” or the “Company”), a blockchain technology company that engages in transaction verification services, announced today that it has signed a Letter of Intent (“LOI”) to merge with Spondoolies-Tech Ltd (“Spondoolies”), a digital currency server manufacturer. BTCS is embarking on a mission to build a fully integrated transaction verification services business using Spondoolies' state-of-the-art bitcoin mining technology. In the bitcoin network, transactions are typically verified by operators of specially designed servers which ensure speed, efficiency, security and accuracy. Currently, there are only five companies globally manufacturing these servers and Spondoolies is widely recognized as a leader in the space. Both companies believe the anticipated combination of BTCS and Spondoolies will create the world’s first publicly traded company to produce Bitcoin transaction verification equipment and deploy Bitcoin mining resources. The merger is subject to a number of conditions, including satisfactory completion of diligence and execution of definitive agreements. There can be no assurance that the conditions to closing will be satisfied or merger will be completed.
 
“Our key goal in 2014 was to create the partnerships needed to build an ecosystem and start laying the foundation to put our vision into place,” said Charles Allen, CEO of BTCS. “Once completed, our merger with Spondoolies would be a significant leap forward in making this ecosystem a reality. We believe this merger once completed would create significant value for BTCS and Spondoolies shareholders, customers, and employees and serve to accelerate the strategic plans in which both companies have invested. As a collective, our next objective will be to complete the development and production of a next generation chip to drive our transaction verification services business and to generate revenue from the combination.”
 
“Over the last several months, we've worked closely with Charles Allen and the BTCS team to establish the nature of our potential partnership,” said Guy Corem, CEO of Spondoolies. “The synergy between the teams is amazing. I have the utmost of confidence that together we will build a very successful and prosperous company by growing and expanding our business beyond bitcoin mining equipment.”
 
About BTCS:
BTCS is a blockchain technology company that provides transaction verification services for digital currency. BTCS is building a universal digital currency platform with the goal of enabling users to engage in the digital currency ecosystem through one point of access. BTCS continues to actively partner and integrate with strategic digital currency technology companies who provide products or services that are complementary to its business strategy. BTCS operates its public beta site (www.btcs.com) where consumers can purchase products using digital currency such as bitcoin, litecoin and dogecoin, by searching through a selection of over 250,000 items. For more information visit: www.btcs.com
 
About Spondoolies-Tech:
Founded in 2013 by a group of Israeli high-tech veterans, Spondoolies is a digital currency hardware manufacturer. Spondoolies raised ten million dollars in capital from leading Israeli venture capital firms and assembled a team of leaders in the Israeli Semiconductor industry, with the goal of building the infrastructure on which digital currencies will flourish. Building bitcoin transaction verifying servers from the bottom up, Spondoolies is producing machines that are designed for efficiency and performance. During 2014, Spondoolies successfully launched five different products.
 
Forward Looking Statements:
Certain statements in this press release constitute "forward-looking statements" within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Words such as "may," "might," "will," "should," "believe," "expect," "anticipate," "estimate," "continue," "predict," "forecast," "project," "plan," "intend" or similar expressions, or statements regarding intent, belief, or current expectations, are forward-looking statements. While the Company believes these forward-looking statements are reasonable, undue reliance should not be placed on any such forward-looking statements, which are based on information available to us on the date of this release. These forward looking statements are based upon current estimates and assumptions and are subject to various risks and uncertainties, including without limitation those set forth in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, not limited to Risk Factors relating to its digital currency business contained therein. Thus, actual results could be materially different. The Company expressly disclaims any obligation to update or alter statements whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law.
 
BTCS Investor Relations:
Michal Handerhan
Bitcoin Shop, Inc.
(202) 430-6576
IR@BitcoinShop.us
 
Spondoolies Media Relations:
Stefanie Guzikowski
E & G Public Relations, LLC
(603) 501-0052
sguzik@egpublicrelations.com
Copyright © 2015 Spondoolies-Tech, All rights reserved.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on April 28, 2015, 02:52:42 PM
So "BTCS is a blockchain technology company that provides transaction verification services for digital currency", doesn't that just mean "BTCS solves blocks"?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 28, 2015, 02:54:34 PM
So "BTCS is a blockchain technology company that provides transaction verification services for digital currency", doesn't that just mean "BTCS solves blocks"?

http://www.btcs.com/index.php

Check em out here Sidehack.

They do more than verify transactions.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on April 28, 2015, 03:35:13 PM
That doesn't actually answer my question.

But four things I love above all else are one-stop-shops (O Glorious WalMart!), publicly traded companies, management speak (like "leveraging" and "strategic partner"), and feigning approval in a highly sarcastic manner. Call me old-fashioned but I'm gonna have to pass on that one. To be completely honest, aside from their effective customer service, I pretty much disagree with most of the decisions Spondoolies has made so far.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 28, 2015, 04:42:55 PM
That doesn't actually answer my question.

But four things I love above all else are one-stop-shops (O Glorious WalMart!), publicly traded companies, management speak (like "leveraging" and "strategic partner"), and feigning approval in a highly sarcastic manner. Call me old-fashioned but I'm gonna have to pass on that one. To be completely honest, aside from their effective customer service, I pretty much disagree with most of the decisions Spondoolies has made so far.

Didn't say I liked it or it was good for anyone other than those companies. Just said it is how the market will go.

As for your question. Better ask Guy if you want to know more or do not want to read about what there potential merger partner does in the Bitcoin economy. Are they just a huge mine? I think there is more to it than that given their website.

I am pretty much resigned to the fact Bitcoin mining companies will all adapt / be absorbed into larger and larger entities until you have one or two companies that dictate the network it has always been a rich persons game if you even go back to CPU / FPGA days. I didn't see many poor people mining did you?

Anyhow Bitmain / Avalon etc won't be able to compete in the ever shrinking marketplace if there are deals where those that farm bitcoins also own all the fabrication. That is something that is not going to be stopped. BitFury KnC etc... that is how it goes. If you are building then selling you are dead in the water come 2016.

Personally distributed mining in the hands of EVERYONE on the planet is the only fair and equitable way to run bitcoin properly. That will never happen and was never intended to happen given expectations by Satoshi. Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed in that respect.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: brontosaurus on April 28, 2015, 06:39:18 PM
This should come as no surprise, trouble is, several people saw this opportunity a long time ago so they're way behind the curve.

Its a shame that individuals will lose out but it was inevitable if you chose to effectively finance companies that didn't care about the little guy by buying their products.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on April 29, 2015, 12:02:44 AM
... I pretty much disagree with most of the decisions Spondoolies has made so far.
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Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on April 29, 2015, 02:27:24 AM
To be fair, the question was for the most part rhetorical, and a commentary on making yourself sound important by adding a lot of syllables to a really common task. I know they do a whole lot more, but to use that many big words to say "mining farm" is pretty clearly self-inflation.


Regarding Spondoolies, it's mostly from an engineering standpoint. They're the only company that's made a single large chip work well so far, partly because they built the darn thing to run at 120C continuous to avoid exotic cooling requirements. In general, I don't like high power density and the constraints that puts on a system. Tiny inefficient fans, really low intake temperatures to avoid cooling issues, stuff like that. I don't like BGA packages. I don't like that they require multi-phase 200A DC-DC converters. I don't like the nonstandard IO protocol with its own FPGA implementation. I don't like complexity because it adds cost and a lot of potential failure points.

I'm impressed that they've gotten the efficiency they did out of the Rockerbox and its regulator requirements. I'm impressed that they can keep a chip running that's dissipating well over 100W through about one square inch of surface area using only forced air and a standard heatsink. I also, as mentioned, have nothing to complain about regarding the effectiveness of their customer support - those guys are on the ball. But I would much rather see a more modular miner with a matrix of small chips. I won't say "Well here's how I'd do it if I was gonna do it" because there's enough of that in the thread where I am doing it. But I'll probably never build a miner around a Spondoolies chip if they keep doing chips the same way, even if their chips are awesome, because the complexities required to power and interface to them tend to violate our general engineering philosophy of simplicity and durability.

I also lean heavily toward supporting individual miners rather than large businesses. I will admit that most of our income from power supplies has come from bulk customers, but about half of that bulk business was resellers with more visible outlets than our own boring website and forum presence. I don't like supporting the big guy, and we got into selling server PSUs so individuals could get quality power for cheaper than the retail options they'd previously been stuck with. My hosting facility actually has a maximum per-customer power draw, not a minimum, and an open-shelving setup to accomodate any kind of hardware, because I don't want to share out our space to rich guys with their stacks of fancy rack-mounted gear - that's the whole reason we set up that side of the shop to begin with. So I know it's what literally everyone is doing, and I know the internally-focused economic reasons for it, but I also can't fully endorse anyone that bails on individuals in favor of catering to a handful of wealthy industrial customers.


That's my opinion. I'm well aware that my opinions are generally polar opposite to going trends. There's more Spondoolies stuff hosted on my shelves right now than any other manufacturer, so the customers have spoken for sure, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 29, 2015, 03:07:06 AM
To be fair, the question was for the most part rhetorical, and a commentary on making yourself sound important by adding a lot of syllables to a really common task. I know they do a whole lot more, but to use that many big words to say "mining farm" is pretty clearly self-inflation.

Agreed. ;D

As for the rest those that fight to keep the big WalMart out to save the mom and pop stores are fighting a noble battle and one that really can be won. In this battle I don't see how it can be won unless mom and pop team up with WalMart to at least get the chips.

Bitmain will take the same deal if offered as Spondoolies.
Avalon will take the same deal if offered as Spondoolies.

Who does that leave the consumer or this community?

The only way for you vision to work is to collectivize / socialize your mom & pop shops and build & design your own chips. Unfortunately that would require millions of dollars and a team. Given the economies on chips and hardware trying to overcome the head start these other companies who are transitioning and transitioned I don't see a lot of potential for making enough to pay wages of those who are putting in their time and effort.

You can try but at some point those Bitmain and Avalon chips are going to be overpriced and more likely they will just dry up as BitFury chips did one day they exist the next day they don't. Mining is a dead end for an individual users unless a large number of people volunteer time and money to change that dynamic are you going to lead that revolution?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on April 29, 2015, 03:58:07 AM
I dunno. Maybe. If a revolution results from me doing what I want to do for folks, then yes. Otherwise, no, but I'm still gonna do what I want to do. I wouldn't take the same deal that was offered to Spondoolies because I think being a publicly traded company is stupid, and nobody will ever be able to pay for the right to make decisions about my company. I doubt we'd get to having our own chip fab anytime soon - if ever - because I'm unwilling to take in outside investment money, especially on things that aren't guaranteed, so I'll have to settle for buying chips from the big guys. But if we ever get to being able to mass-produce our own miners affordably you can bet the prices we offer to million-dollar farms will be the same as we offer to mom and pop. No selling out, and no favoritism for the rich. If that way of doing business becomes a revolution, the more the merrier. All I can guarantee is there'll be at least one outfit doing it.

But there's no real reason to clutter up your thread with off-topic opinions.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 29, 2015, 04:02:55 AM
I dunno. Maybe. If a revolution results from me doing what I want to do for folks, then yes. Otherwise, no, but I'm still gonna do what I want to do. I wouldn't take the same deal that was offered to Spondoolies because I think being a publicly traded company is stupid, and nobody will ever be able to pay for the right to make decisions about my company. I doubt we'd get to having our own chip fab anytime soon - if ever - because I'm unwilling to take in outside investment money, especially on things that aren't guaranteed, so I'll have to settle for buying chips from the big guys. But if we ever get to being able to mass-produce our own miners affordably you can bet the prices we offer to million-dollar farms will be the same as we offer to mom and pop. No selling out, and no favoritism for the rich. If that way of doing business becomes a revolution, the more the merrier. All I can guarantee is there'll be at least one outfit doing it.

But there's no real reason to clutter up your thread with off-topic opinions.

No this thread is a going the way of the dodo soon as there will be only 1 or 2 sources of hardware for the little guy left at the end of the spring and more likely ZERO left in early 2016, except those flogging used units and possibly scraping together what chips are left over and making USB miners for education. I think it is fair to debate the direction of HARDWARE in the HARDWARE section.

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Well there is reckoning coming. Chips won't be available much longer. I bet your version of the home miner being offered will be the last. Avalon/Bitmain/Sfards are looking for mergers/deals where they go 100% mining farm or partner with those who want massive farms. Bitmain has farms and Sfards/Avalon will as well as they are located in China if they don't already. If they don't they are dead by 2016. The winter is coming John Snow. No chips, no mom and pops, but that has been said a million times before by a million people more visionary than me since 2013 or even earlier.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on April 29, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
As long as I have resources available to keep making for the small miners, I'm gonna. When solving blocks is the sole domain of rich guys I might just walk away from bitcoin entirely, but not until it becomes impossible. I've already had someone with money asking me (a month or so ago) about the feasibility of making their own chips and building miners for their own farm; said someone is interested in our miner designs and might end up contributing to the overall project. If it turns into a relationship able to sponsor chip fab (unlikely but not impossible), I could redirect our take from that work to use some of those chips for affordable and non-crappy miners to sell to whoever I want. That'd be alright.

Yes, it's not a problem to discuss the future of hardware in the hardware section. But it does seem off-topic to talk about stuff not pertaining to miner sellers trustworthiness in this particular thread.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: notlist3d on April 29, 2015, 04:49:02 AM
As long as I have resources available to keep making for the small miners, I'm gonna. When solving blocks is the sole domain of rich guys I might just walk away from bitcoin entirely, but not until it becomes impossible. I've already had someone with money asking me (a month or so ago) about the feasibility of making their own chips and building miners for their own farm; said someone is interested in our miner designs and might end up contributing to the overall project. If it turns into a relationship able to sponsor chip fab (unlikely but not impossible), I could redirect our take from that work to use some of those chips for affordable and non-crappy miners to sell to whoever I want. That'd be alright.

Yes, it's not a problem to discuss the future of hardware in the hardware section. But it does seem off-topic to talk about stuff not pertaining to miner sellers trustworthiness in this particular thread.

I would love to see you get your own chip if at all possible at some point.  I think it would be a good product for the community.  I would guess it could be pretty pricy though.

Would be nice to see you own every part of the hardware you put out as far as design and chips.  But I realize that is a massive undertaking.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 29, 2015, 05:20:58 AM
Yes, it's not a problem to discuss the future of hardware in the hardware section. But it does seem off-topic to talk about stuff not pertaining to miner sellers trustworthiness in this particular thread.

I think it shows a lot of confidence to the community that a fabricator comes here and TALKS openly without any fear, (not here to abuse or chuck shit around) but to talk about the nature of hardware. I would buy from you unreservedly and that is directly related to the thread. As soon as you have units available for sale I will be recommending Gekkoscience.

Feel free to take as much liberty here as you like it all goes to credibility of your offerings. Bitmain, Spondoolies regularly chime in here on and off topic again allows consumers to judge and decide who they would trust. Also note self-moderated threads are allowed to BE OFF TOPIC as per the rules even though Dogie has blown the police whistle here on this thread more than once or twice on posts the rules are that the OP can go off topic and others are welcome to follow that lead to a point. There is a lot of value in this discussion as it relates to being trustworthy.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on April 30, 2015, 07:06:51 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Bitmain. More issues. Are we seeing too many problems to recommend buying from them?

It seems that there are a growing amount of concerns with the S5 and shipments of questionable products. It would be good to hear from Bitmain on these concerns here or in the thread posted below. Xian01 is a reputable member of this community and I personally value his radar on scams / customer service failures given his experience here in these forums in the past 2 or 3 years.

What do others think?

@ Bitmain:

Are these brand new & unused - or are they from your mining farm?

Ta.

Hi cathoderay,
Brand New.

 Honestly, seeing this post by Bitmain, and hearing reports of them sending out dusty units with the old heat-sink design for Batch 5 completely destroyed any trust I had in them.

 Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with the performance of the B1 S5's I have, but I bought them because they were advertised as being quiet, and ~75dBA is not quiet by any reasonable measure.

 Also, had some private communication with them that didn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about doing more business with them. Their pricing shenanigans with the S5 was the final icing on the cake that made me buy a bunch of SP20's and finish out my farm for the time being - It's been making more sense to just buy BTC outright than purchase miners at the current prices.
 
 Will probably be getting out of the mining game entirely this year unless the economics significantly change.


bitmain could fix the noise problem by sending the fans quiet to all their customers, but it certainly will not do it because the Chinese are too greedy for money

the fans mentioned wont fix the noise issue. the problem is the s3,2, and 1 are full contact heatsinks. while the s5 uses the same heatsink it seems the metal only touches the chip so the full amount of heat isnt being pushed into the heat sink anymore and ontop of that the second one that would go on the other side of the miner isnt being sent to customers like with the s3's signs that this was used can be seen on the components on the sides that face the plastic side plates. there is thermal paste applied there and partially whiped off which imply bitmain has run an additional cooling components on that side of the boards as well which we dont have. Other signs are that there are screw hols that arent being used that follow the same design as the otherside heatsink on the s3 which if there is no additional heatsink that is being used on that side then those screw hols wouldnt be there at all since they arent needed.

now i got refunded for my issues with bitmain. I said i would update this thread but i wont outright delete this thread because it is info that is needed. i also stated that i will revise it when an agreement is reached. so i will go do that now.

Edit: S5 has some sort 80c cut off issue?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 07, 2015, 04:51:57 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif  Black Arrow needs to be taken down. Refunds need to be given. This is just crazy they are still running around loose.

The salt is being rubbed in the customers wounds. It would be great if someone actually reported this company on the mainland in China. Raising enough of consumer stink there does force even large companies to comply with Chinese consumer protection laws.

http://www.china-briefing.com/news/2014/04/08/china-introduces-new-consumer-protection-law.html

The latest BlackArrow wheeze:

Quote
Dear customer,


Your order is ready to ship. Please confirm the address we have for shipping for your order is correct.  If you have already done so, please ignore this email and wait for your tracking number in the next few days.

If you have not confirmed yet your shipping address, please send us an email with below fields filled in

Name:
House No, Street:
City, Postcode:
Province:
Country:
Phone no:
We are also sending shipping address confirmation requests from Black Arrow tickets system. However since the end of last year it seems that some of our correspondence sent out from the tickets system does not reach our customers' Inbox. Our messages either reach Spam folder or they do not reach the email address at all. Please do not reply to this message/email address with the above required details. This address is used to make sure our messages reach our customers. Please go on our website at: https://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/support/index.php?/Tickets/Submit , tick the Shipping department and send us the required information.

All pending orders are in our warehouse ready for dispatch as soon as you provide us the above details so we can update our records.

Please be aware that depending on your local customs regulations and taxation laws when importing goods from abroad you might be liable of paying duty fees or some other fees such as customs clearance fees. If you will not agree to pay them, the package might return to destination country or be destroyed by local customs. Please note that it is your duty to clear customs and pay all required fees. If you fail to do so and the package returns to us, you will be ceasing all rights to the package and it will not be send back to you again.

Guess what, incompetent assholes? I don't want my miners any more! If you ship them to me, I'll be throwing good money after bad for 1) customs duties and 2) electricity that costs me more than the miners will yield in BTC. I told you this directly via e-mail, and requested that you destroy my units and send me proof of destruction, and also refund the $50 shipping fees that you will not incur as a result of not shipping my order. But you chose to ignore that.

So fuck you, fuck you, and FUCK YOU. Shove my miners up your incompetent asses, where they will hopefully explode. You couldn't find your assholes with both hands and a funnel. You couldn't organize a piss-up at a brewery.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 09, 2015, 12:03:25 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource run by Matthew Carson and His father have been EVICTED.

Here is the eviction notice for MinerSource?

Why are they called Miner Hosting LLC?

Does Oregon Mines have any liability with regards to the money owed?

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/rW2ejqs_zpstuaruhpr.jpg


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Searing on May 09, 2015, 12:44:21 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource run by Matthew Carson and His father have been EVICTED.

Here is the eviction notice for MinerSource?

Why are they called Miner Hosting LLC?

Does Oregon Mines have any liability with regards to the money owed?

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee106/PFC4L1FE/rW2ejqs_zpstuaruhpr.jpg


jeez even with my puny income I could get 4,169 bucks together to wrap it up rather then be evicted...they must really be in debt or some such.

not familiar with them..just saying ..if legit the amount seems puny



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: notlist3d on May 09, 2015, 01:06:38 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource run by Matthew Carson and His father have been EVICTED.

Here is the eviction notice for MinerSource?

Why are they called Miner Hosting LLC?

Does Oregon Mines have any liability with regards to the money owed?

Saving Space

I am not to surprised sadly with this.  They took images I made for a guide for the SilverFish 28 (scrypt miner).   Was really fun asking them in person at a bitcoin conference how it happened.  They acted totally surprised... then admitted they might have gotten it off forum.   They did not take image down till they stopped selling the miner.

I don't like a lot of drama so I just let it be.  Guess karma happens sometimes.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 09, 2015, 01:08:59 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource run by Matthew Carson and His father have been EVICTED.

Here is the eviction notice for MinerSource?

Why are they called Miner Hosting LLC?

Does Oregon Mines have any liability with regards to the money owed?

Saving Space

I am not to surprised sadly with this.  They took images I made for a guide for the SilverFish 28 (scrypt miner).   Was really fun asking them in person at a bitcoin conference how it happened.  They acted totally surprised... then admitted they might have gotten it off forum.   They did not take image down till they stopped selling the miner.

I don't like a lot of drama so I just let it be.  Guess karma happens sometimes.

I think when theft is involved criminals need to be given as much drama as possible. That way others won't be taken advantage of by them.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: notlist3d on May 09, 2015, 01:23:05 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Minersource run by Matthew Carson and His father have been EVICTED.

Here is the eviction notice for MinerSource?

Why are they called Miner Hosting LLC?

Does Oregon Mines have any liability with regards to the money owed?

Saving Space

I am not to surprised sadly with this.  They took images I made for a guide for the SilverFish 28 (scrypt miner).   Was really fun asking them in person at a bitcoin conference how it happened.  They acted totally surprised... then admitted they might have gotten it off forum.   They did not take image down till they stopped selling the miner.

I don't like a lot of drama so I just let it be.  Guess karma happens sometimes.

I think when theft is involved criminals need to be given as much drama as possible.

I agree looks like he was much worse then I knew.   They said they would take image down ..... but they waited a extra month until it sold out.

But in person they seemed ok, were a lot less excited about miners then other booth's.  Best way to describe them was un-enthused they were showing I cannot remember the name but it had something to do with flowers I think.  And there was a special edition with blue colored fan's.  Can not remember for the life of me the name of the miner.

I did not pay to much attention to them.  I was all excited about S3 and SP gear.  S3 had just started shipping, and SP had a good setup.  They both were much better on showing products and being excited to be there.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 09, 2015, 01:59:52 PM
I was certainly fooled as well by Carson and Thurber I learned the hard way in May 2014 what sort of scams they had pulled and were pulling and one particularly involving chips from fabricators in China that was never reported here in these forums. Although you saw the same scam again by them with Black Arrow accusing them of stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of miners. Amazing really.

There are plenty of people in these forums who were also screwed over by them thinking that they were legit and decent people. To his credit Gleb knew much much much earlier than most that Matthew Carson was a fraud and scam artist. One has to be very careful to comb through the behaviour of any number of accounts in these forums and unfortunately there are a significant number of  shady accounts compared that perpetuate scams and scam artists. The hardware threads have seen more than their fair share of those.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: photon_coin on May 09, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
thanks for posting this information


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 09, 2015, 06:10:15 PM
thanks for posting this information

You are welcome came from anonymous tipster. Thought it was important info for the community so posted it immediately as I read it in my Inbox.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: RoadStress on May 09, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
jeez even with my puny income I could get 4,169 bucks together to wrap it up rather then be evicted...they must really be in debt or some such.

not familiar with them..just saying ..if legit the amount seems puny

Maybe it's not worth to pay the fee...


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 09, 2015, 07:09:35 PM
They ran out on the bill... they have done this before at least 2x maybe more. Watch Oregon Mines it will go poof just the same way.

jeez even with my puny income I could get 4,169 bucks together to wrap it up rather then be evicted...they must really be in debt or some such.

not familiar with them..just saying ..if legit the amount seems puny

Maybe it's not worth to pay the fee...


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on May 12, 2015, 01:16:21 AM
I'm not a fan of ticket support - it's an easy way to be ignored. That's why crooks like GHash/CEX/BAN use it. A good support system is open & transparent.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2015, 01:32:51 AM
I'm not a fan of ticket support - it's an easy way to be ignored. That's why crooks like GHash/CEX/BAN use it. A good support system is open & transparent.

Spondoolies has one.

They seem to use it well enough.

You need something more than Dogie shitting on every thread. At least they try.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cathoderay on May 12, 2015, 01:44:17 AM
I'm not a fan of ticket support - it's an easy way to be ignored. That's why crooks like GHash/CEX/BAN use it. A good support system is open & transparent.

Spondoolies has one.

They seem to use it well enough.

You need something more than Dogie shitting on every thread. At least they try.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt, they do however have a lot of damage to repair - & if this ticket system doesn't work out right, I fear the worst for them with regards to yet more customer backlash on this forum.....

Let's hope they do it right.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2015, 02:14:53 AM
I'm not a fan of ticket support - it's an easy way to be ignored. That's why crooks like GHash/CEX/BAN use it. A good support system is open & transparent.

Spondoolies has one.

They seem to use it well enough.

You need something more than Dogie shitting on every thread. At least they try.

I'm willing to give them the benefit of doubt, they do however have a lot of damage to repair - & if this ticket system doesn't work out right, I fear the worst for them with regards to yet more customer backlash on this forum.....

Let's hope they do it right.

Not easy work. That is why most fabricators want the benefits of selling to fewer customers and not to the general public as it is a cost savings and a hassle savings. It is not easy to build a CRM system including finding the right team. Having 2 or 3 or 10 customers versus 1000's is a no brainer really.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on May 12, 2015, 03:53:46 AM
Especially because a lot of customers are, themselves, no-brainers.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2015, 04:20:39 AM
Especially because a lot of customers are, themselves, no-brainers.

If you want to 'blame' the under-educated consumer then why build and market products for under-educated consumers? (Not directed at you personally or your company sidehack).

It makes economic sense for a larger company to simply remove 80% of the problems and deal with only 10 to 20% of the people that have the resources. Same pattern in most businesses really. Customers are being fired continuously as you see some services and goods are sold only to those who provide the best returns for companies.  

Is the hardware for mining too technically advanced to sell to the general population?

Possibly right now it still is.

Anyone out there going to change it?

Probably.

Should companies educate consumers better than they are currently?

Always.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: sidehack on May 12, 2015, 05:39:09 AM
Yeah, you see us designing stuff specifically to educate. I don't really blame under-educated consumers nearly as much as I do lazy consumers - the guys for whom answers are readily available if they'd take the 30 seconds to look for them instead of crying for help on everything. People who appear stupid sometimes genuinely are, but for most people being stupid is a willing act they've been allowed to continue. I'm constantly annoyed by stupid customers but we sell to 'em anyway. Then we hand them enough resources to solve 90% of their problems themselves if they wanted to not be lazy and that's it. But not everyone can get away with that, especially with diverse and complex product lines.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 12, 2015, 06:02:49 AM
Agree 100% with that assessment.

Most people that are intrinsically motivated will be able solve most if not all of their "hardware" issues barring any real product failure. RTFMYSA. This very Hardware section is riddled with 50% of that.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: -ck on May 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PM
CK makes a point of slamming SFARDS for a single thread but does little or nothing for Avalon / Bitmain being non-hardware threads for the most part.
Their thread became a competition thread. Support threads are still about hardware as I already explained.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 14, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Why integrity matters or why people will buy from GekkoScience once they are ready to sell even if it isn't really economically viable to buy small units for home use.

Home mining might be dead. There maybe no real reason to buy anything for the home market but that won't stop Novak and Sidehack. If you are still really looking to support something good before home mining eventual dies a slow agonizing death. Then please check out these guys. They have a modest plan, a singular vision and skills to make it happen and they are doing it with their own cash.

What I meant was, BFL kept getting sales a year after the whole world should have known not to trust them because of their marketing team. Their ads were very visible and any n00b looking for a miner would probably find their stuff first. Of course if you followed up on literally any claim they pushed about their product line you'd find it was an outright lie, and I'm still impressed they weren't called to account on that a lot sooner. But the only advertising we've ever done for anything we've ever made was posting here on the forums. No SEO optimization, no banner ads, just building stuff that doesn't suck and trusting the numbers to speak for themselves (and also satisfied customers, that helped too). I've done exactly zero advertising for our miner line as well. I've mentioned it to a few people when they ask me what I'm up to, and then this forum thread. That's it.

Also, I recall a study someone did where they interviewed a bunch of people entering the job market and asked why they went into their respective fields - because it was fun and interesting, or because they sought wealth. 20 years later they tracked down the same people and measured their financial successes. Of the original sample, I believe there were 300 millionaires in the group; of them, 299 went into their jobs based on a genuine interest and only one because it was a path to riches. I like those numbers. Tells you a lot about human nature - you're a heck of a lot more likely to be successful if you enjoy what you're doing than if you're doing it specifically to be successful. Novak and I are both pretty much constantly broke, but we're definitely enjoying the work. I'm hoping that, between his project and mine (these miners), we can start snowballing bigger, but what matters most (beyond "being able to pay the bills") is that we keep being entertained by the job - and that we don't compromise quality or integrity for the sake of short-term profits. With what we want to do, there's literally no good reason to go down that road.

Also, we've got about a dozen old S1s running around already. Thanks though. I wouldn't turn down more smoked-out S5... heh heh...


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 20, 2015, 12:25:27 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Why were Loshia and Dogie such big supporters of Technobit.eu given the substantial evidence of fraud from the company very very early on?

Why do they still constantly harass me in these forums and this thread?

Is it because I called them out on supporting Martin and they were part of the fraud?

Maybe just maybe they should ADMIT they were wrong or accept they were part of the scam before this gets worse?

I hate to say it but I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I bloody told you so!  >:(

ive been waiting since 2015-02-17 for a HEX4RBox

sent 3 emails now to them and not a single reply and 3 dates have passed on there site for shipping and yet no box or even a reply to my emails

good ive pay for them via paypal
going to give them 2 more weeks and still if no box or at the very least a email will report them for fraud as there selling goods i don't even believe they have  

if your reading this TECHNOBIT my order is FUCVIKLCA
i suggest you get back to me asap
I'm waiting from 2014-12-21, and I don't get my money......
Looks like Martin Sirakov aka Technomachinex/Technobit from Sofia ran off with the money, that is $565,000 in bitcoin alone, plus a yet unknown amount in cash/bank/credit card payments. Has anyone contacted their banking or credit card company yet and reported fraud? I can't believe the inertnes of some on this matter while Martin Sirakov is laughing all the way to the bank. Time to address Bulgaria's justice authorities on this matter, this guy belongs in prison.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: jekecoin on May 21, 2015, 03:33:03 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Why were Loshia and Dogie such big supporters of Technobit.eu given the substantial evidence of fraud from the company very very early on?

Why do they still constantly harass me in these forums and this thread?

Is it because I called them out on supporting Martin and they were part of the fraud?

Maybe just maybe they should ADMIT they were wrong or accept they were part of the scam before this gets worse?

I hate to say it but I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I bloody told you so!  >:(

ive been waiting since 2015-02-17 for a HEX4RBox

sent 3 emails now to them and not a single reply and 3 dates have passed on there site for shipping and yet no box or even a reply to my emails

good ive pay for them via paypal
going to give them 2 more weeks and still if no box or at the very least a email will report them for fraud as there selling goods i don't even believe they have  

if your reading this TECHNOBIT my order is FUCVIKLCA
i suggest you get back to me asap
I'm waiting from 2014-12-21, and I don't get my money......
Looks like Martin Sirakov aka Technomachinex/Technobit from Sofia ran off with the money, that is $565,000 in bitcoin alone, plus a yet unknown amount in cash/bank/credit card payments. Has anyone contacted their banking or credit card company yet and reported fraud? I can't believe the inertnes of some on this matter while Martin Sirakov is laughing all the way to the bank. Time to address Bulgaria's justice authorities on this matter, this guy belongs in prison.

And I maybe never get my money back :(


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2015, 04:54:10 AM
I am so sorry jekecoin there were too many mix signals sent out from this community on these scammers and it is a shame considering how much clear evidence there was that this would happen.

https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Why were Loshia and Dogie such big supporters of Technobit.eu given the substantial evidence of fraud from the company very very early on?

Why do they still constantly harass me in these forums and this thread?

Is it because I called them out on supporting Martin and they were part of the fraud?

Maybe just maybe they should ADMIT they were wrong or accept they were part of the scam before this gets worse?

I hate to say it but I told you so. I told you so. I told you so. I bloody told you so!  >:(

ive been waiting since 2015-02-17 for a HEX4RBox

sent 3 emails now to them and not a single reply and 3 dates have passed on there site for shipping and yet no box or even a reply to my emails

good ive pay for them via paypal
going to give them 2 more weeks and still if no box or at the very least a email will report them for fraud as there selling goods i don't even believe they have  

if your reading this TECHNOBIT my order is FUCVIKLCA
i suggest you get back to me asap
I'm waiting from 2014-12-21, and I don't get my money......
Looks like Martin Sirakov aka Technomachinex/Technobit from Sofia ran off with the money, that is $565,000 in bitcoin alone, plus a yet unknown amount in cash/bank/credit card payments. Has anyone contacted their banking or credit card company yet and reported fraud? I can't believe the inertnes of some on this matter while Martin Sirakov is laughing all the way to the bank. Time to address Bulgaria's justice authorities on this matter, this guy belongs in prison.

And I maybe never get my money back :(


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2015, 04:57:01 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbup.gif Sidehack and Novak moving forward on the BM1384 Project. We all hopeful they will rescue the home user market.

Good Job Gents thanks for all the effort the community is behind you.

We as a community should, when asked and when they are ready to deliver product, help support this effort. Save a few coins everyone to help push this project forward or purchase PSU's from them at their product page here  gekkoscience.com (http://www.gekkoscience.com/products.html) to keep them moving forward. Home mining might not be currently profitable but it might be worth the effort to keep home mining alive if it supports local builders like this. They are the real deal attempting to keep all production at the local level supporting their community in the US which is a great idea and something that should be supported.

If everything's working proper it should level out around 16.5GH. I don't have remote access to the stats page (shifted it off the VPN-capable subnet so Novak could play with the code more readily) to verify it right now, but I am admittedly disappointed in the 3-hour average currently presented. It's been running at speed for right around 4 hours. Of course, 16GH on a min-diff 128 makes for some pretty gnarley variance. The 12-hour should look much better.

Hopefully tomorrow early I can get the string L working, swap a fresh chip on and get the 3.3V RX back up. If it ends up working like I'm pretty sure it should, all I need to do after that is iron out the Compac regulator noise issue, get some solid numbers on minimum node-level capacitance to maintain balance during a two-chip initialization (testing so far indicates it's somewhere between 200 and 2000uF) and lay into some PCB redesigns. Heck, if the Compac gets to working, the Amita should be a single revision because the chip extension is pretty trivial compared to the friggin' month I've lost to regulator issues.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2015, 07:12:16 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL in the final death throws they are finally circling the drain. It is over. Thank his noodly appendage it is over!

As BFL stops paying their employees it is all but over for this scam outfit and those who would remain would be what, brainwashed?

Bets on if Bruce remains in KC?

BFL is over. I just got a call while being on vacation that no one will be getting paid to work there any more, so anyone stupid enough to workwithout pay will still be there. I'm going to miss my best bud Bruce Peterson, who showed me the ropes on how to make heat without light and watch the satoshis flow. And for the love of Satoshi wash your ass prick.

If anyone is truly interested in making sure they don't see another scamming day hurry up and call Capital One to let them know that they'd be making one of the biggest mistakes trying to salvage that snakepit.

Rock on

edited for typo...

I can confirm this as my sources say the same thing. Everyone was sent home and the only people still working there will be without pay from what I was told. They're still trying to salvage the Capital One deal, but I personally doubt that will happen.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Searing on May 21, 2015, 07:21:37 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif BFL in the final death throws is finally circling the drain. It is over. Thank his noodly appendage it is over!

As BFL stops paying their employees it is all but over for this scam outfit and those who would remain would be what, brainwashed?

Bets on if Bruce remains in KC?

BFL is over. I just got a call while being on vacation that no one will be getting paid to work there any more, so anyone stupid enough to workwithout pay will still be there. I'm going to miss my best bud Bruce Peterson, who showed me the ropes on how to make heat without light and watch the satoshis flow. And for the love of Satoshi wash your ass prick.

If anyone is truly interested in making sure they don't see another scamming day hurry up and call Capital One to let them know that they'd be making one of the biggest mistakes trying to salvage that snakepit.

Rock on

edited for typo...

I can confirm this as my sources say the same thing. Everyone was sent home and the only people still working there will be without pay from what I was told. They're still trying to salvage the Capital One deal, but I personally doubt that will happen.

stuff will get dumped on ebay .it seems a lot of monarchs imho.....so if not the refunded stuff ...likely going out the back door of BFL imho...

i suspect we will a mass of 'immigration' of BFL folk to countries that don't allow extradition on white color crime etc.....from running afoul of the FTC and likely IRS...here soon.....if it was me it would 'have btc will travel".....feet do your stuff!

will really piss me off if that happened and then Josh and company got on here and 'crowed' about all the hidden BTC on the usb's they got on this 'scam'

don't really believe the above...but just like to scare myself...shudder


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: cinnamon_carter on May 21, 2015, 07:34:23 AM
Imagine an alternate universe where angry customers of a company like Butterfly hunted down the people who ran the scam and wired their brains to permanently mine bitcoin using similar tactics from the movie Seven to keep them alive and mining as long as possible , no matter how low the hash rate just to teach other people a lesson what happens in the universe when you promise to deliver bitcoin mining equipment and you rip your customers off instead with help from jacked publications like Wired magazine who wrote articles stating they were using one of your units.



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2015, 07:51:36 AM
Imagine an alternate universe where angry customers of a company like Butterfly hunted down the people who ran the scam and wired their brains to permanently mine bitcoin using similar tactics from the movie Seven to keep them alive and mining as long as possible , no matter how low the hash rate just to teach other people a lesson what happens in the universe when you promise to deliver bitcoin mining equipment and you rip your customers off instead with help from jacked publications like Wired magazine who wrote articles stating they were using one of your units.



Jail time and paying back customers is fine the futuristic fictional penalties are great and all but let us be rooted in 2016/17. When Sonny will be seeing jail time.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Unacceptable on May 21, 2015, 08:33:26 AM
Well,they at least they left their mark on the internet for all eternity  :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BFL

One can only hope Sonny & Josh don't pop up with another scam  ::)

Good bye BFL!!!! It's about freakin time!!!!  8)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 21, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
Is anything worth buying? Not if ROI is something you crave or desire.


Have Bitmain any plans on lowering S5 (and maybe shipping?) price?  ::)
I'm not really surprised they've held firm at the $340 price for so long - They are the only game in town at present, and can charge whatever they want for their products.

I not a fan of such arrogant behaviour.

As a result, for the last few months, I've been taking advantage of the low BTC/USD pricing, and every time I think about buying another miner, I just buy 1BTC instead on Coinbase and think to myself "Now wasn't that easier and more cost-effective ?"

Given the current price of ~$235 USD/BTC, it doesn't make any financial sense purchasing miners at their current pricing. An S5 priced at $340 is presently looking @ ~1year of runtime for ROI, excluding electrical and power supply costs.

It doesn't make any sense at all to buy Bitmain products, presently - A ROI will be difficult and uncertain.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Searing on May 26, 2015, 07:15:44 AM
Well,they at least they left their mark on the internet for all eternity  :D

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=BFL

One can only hope Sonny & Josh don't pop up with another scam  ::)

Good bye BFL!!!! It's about freakin time!!!!  8)

heh .......this is probably true (delete if OP deems this too off topic)

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-mining-figure-joshua-zipkin-responsible-bitcointalk-hack/

megalomania is its own reward it seems.....always charging windmills and damn the consequences.......(may have to cut him some slick due to mental illness if true)



Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on May 27, 2015, 04:04:02 AM
Why do people insist on attacking those who report ethical failures of fabricators or their agents?

The idea is to discredit those who would report those who are trying to scam or shill for a company without any basis in fact for that support.

http://dissidentvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screenshot3.png

The goal as always is to discredit anyone that might call out a business on any number of scams. Loshia/Marto/Dogie/Inaba/BCP19/Slok and a small band of others are clearly of this ilk.

http://dissidentvoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/crowd_DV.png

What is important is for those who wish to have a CLEAN and ETHICAL forum to work closely together and rid the community of such fly by night operations.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on June 01, 2015, 10:46:03 AM
I was wondering has anyone noticed a pattern with all the dogie threads in hardware?

Can someone review them and let me know what you think and post your thoughts here?

I hope I am not the only one seeing this.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on June 10, 2015, 11:36:51 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/Themes/custom1/images/post/thumbdown.gif Cointerra taking more hits and screwing the pooch yet again!

The mess that some of these companies have made is really staggering. Is it bitcoin or is just amateur hour for most of the mining manufacturing companies?

How many now have screwed the pooch so badly that they have stained mining bitcoin permanently?

http://insidebitcoins.com/news/bad-week-for-bitcoin-miners-c7-data-centers-sues-cointerra-for-5-4-million-in-damages/28666

Code:
UPDATED: 4:19 p.m. EST 1/13/2015 with CoinTerra statement.

NEW YORK (InsideBitcoins) — With the price of bitcoin suffering, it is apparently
not a good time to be a bitcoin miner right now, with CEX.io having to pause its
cloud mining, and now CoinTerra being sued by a data center operator.

The Utah data center, C7 Data Centers, is suing Austin-based CoinTerra for
$5.4 million in damages due to an alleged breach of contract and purported
$1.4 million in unpaid services. According to the document, CoinTerra and
C7 signed an 18-month agreement back in April to provide and manage a
spot within the data center and provide all of its hosting services.

In the law suit, C7 Data Centers said:

“In order to provide services to Cointerra, C7 has requested and obtained
power from Rocky Mountain Power at costs exceeding $12,000.00 per day.
In addition, in order to provide services to CoinTerra, C7 incurred substantial
initial costs and refused services to other potential customers in order to
accommodate CoinTerra’s needs.”


Cointerra's reply:

Code:
In a statement provided to Inside Bitcoins, CoinTerra said:

“CoinTerra, Inc. disputes the allegations in the complaint filed
by C7 Data Centers, Inc. (“C7”) in Utah State court. CoinTerra
has recently retained local counsel to address this dispute. 
Moreover, CoinTerra has filed a counterclaim against C7 in
Federal Court in the District of Utah. CoinTerra intends to
vigorously prosecute its claims against C7 while defending
the claims levied by C7. Yet, CoinTerra is hopeful that the
parties can resolve this matter quickly.”


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Bicknellski on June 10, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
SFRADS one step closer to it's 'first' miner.

Interesting to see that some samples have made it out to the general public at large. Is it too little too late for this new company? Time will tell.

DHL was fast.

http://i.imgur.com/gcOiI1ol.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/gcOiI1o)
http://i.imgur.com/geFkRUvl.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/geFkRUv)
http://i.imgur.com/etRWPcZl.jpg?1 (http://imgur.com/etRWPcZ)


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Guy Corem on August 13, 2015, 11:10:54 AM
...
Bick, did you take long summer vacation ?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: TheRealSteve on August 13, 2015, 11:20:06 AM
From a few other posts here and there I got the impression that he got banned - and may or may not already be back under an alt account.  His social media accounts are active enough.  It's unfortunate, as he missed out on getting - and reviewing - a Compac... was looking forward to that, actually.. as well as continued updates to this thread; insofar as that applies right now.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: Xian01 on August 13, 2015, 11:26:23 AM
From a few other posts here and there I got the impression that he got banned
Seriously ? For what ?


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: TheRealSteve on August 13, 2015, 11:29:05 AM
From a few other posts here and there I got the impression that he got banned
Seriously ? For what ?
Bugger if I know.  Like I said, though - that's the impression I got from a few posts by others that tended to converse with him more directly; take that for exactly what it means: no hard evidence whatsoever.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: blarneystone on August 13, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Come on guys, everyone knows that having an honest opinion isn't allowed on BCT, it's wrong to call a scam a scam here, especially when certain well known members & moderators are actively promoting them.

As for why he got banned, ask our local spamming mutt & his hairy moderator friend - they've got a hit list as long as your legs  :D

This was a good thread, nice to see it revived....... ;D


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: loshia on August 16, 2015, 01:18:37 PM
That will be first time hopefully I can express my oppinion in bickLEDsky sf moderated thread
I think he is not banned  ;)
He just can not live with such trust level and his famous account is abandoned
That is all...
Any way I am not going to miss his posts at all
I said it many times and I will say it again. There is no room for respect in hw section for people who have not touched a miner just once and pretending to be forum goods. He does not have a clue about HW at all. He is free to post his thoughts whatever he wants but in HW section ??? I am not going to question his "honest" oppinion at all ;D
Forum history is here and every one can look for so called "BickLEDsky" honesty and deep HW knowledge


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's Moderated Biased & Opinionated Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: ThePhwner on September 01, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Why does it not surprise me that BAN (BitcoinAffiliateNetwork) are involved in this?

I opened a scam accusation against them ages ago about their phony "giveaway" of miners to fake user accounts many months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782765.0

After a barrage of insults from s0br/ThePhwner & their multiple aliases, s0br locked the BAN pool thread after deleting evidence & went AWOL from the scam thread & this forum for about 2 months - before popping up again with another BAN pool thread with claims of transparency, bonuses, regular payouts etc, etc, - all of which has proven to be false again.

BTW, guess who advertised BAN on his "trustworthiness guide" thread knowing that they were confirmed scammers?  Yup, our good friend poop-dawg........ ::)

Good thing your many accounts were deleted after proven to be controlled by a single mouthy twat with no evidence:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

Pretty sure that's the ultimate in scam accusation threads. And your sorry ass can't even log in to reply any more until you make a 15th account.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: dogie on September 02, 2015, 02:19:17 PM
Why does it not surprise me that BAN (BitcoinAffiliateNetwork) are involved in this?

I opened a scam accusation against them ages ago about their phony "giveaway" of miners to fake user accounts many months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782765.0

After a barrage of insults from s0br/ThePhwner & their multiple aliases, s0br locked the BAN pool thread after deleting evidence & went AWOL from the scam thread & this forum for about 2 months - before popping up again with another BAN pool thread with claims of transparency, bonuses, regular payouts etc, etc, - all of which has proven to be false again.

BTW, guess who advertised BAN on his "trustworthiness guide" thread knowing that they were confirmed scammers?  Yup, our good friend poop-dawg........ ::)

Good thing your many accounts were deleted after proven to be controlled by a single mouthy twat with no evidence:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

Pretty sure that's the ultimate in scam accusation threads. And your sorry ass can't even log in to reply any more until you make a 15th account.

Lets be honest here, you were both using shill armies to fight each other, one to promote to BAN, one to damage BAN. The only difference was that he ended up doing other things to get himself permabanned.


Title: Re: [GUIDE] B's A More Ethical & Trustworthy Miner Sellers Trustworthiness Guide
Post by: ThePhwner on September 02, 2015, 04:50:01 PM
Why does it not surprise me that BAN (BitcoinAffiliateNetwork) are involved in this?

I opened a scam accusation against them ages ago about their phony "giveaway" of miners to fake user accounts many months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=782765.0

After a barrage of insults from s0br/ThePhwner & their multiple aliases, s0br locked the BAN pool thread after deleting evidence & went AWOL from the scam thread & this forum for about 2 months - before popping up again with another BAN pool thread with claims of transparency, bonuses, regular payouts etc, etc, - all of which has proven to be false again.

BTW, guess who advertised BAN on his "trustworthiness guide" thread knowing that they were confirmed scammers?  Yup, our good friend poop-dawg........ ::)

Good thing your many accounts were deleted after proven to be controlled by a single mouthy twat with no evidence:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.0

Pretty sure that's the ultimate in scam accusation threads. And your sorry ass can't even log in to reply any more until you make a 15th account.

Lets be honest here, you were both using shill armies to fight each other, one to promote to BAN, one to damage BAN. The only difference was that he ended up doing other things to get himself permabanned.

Um shill armies? What the fuck are you talking about? I worked for Gil aka s0br. Anyone else did what they did of their own volition. If you're so sure about this why don't you find that proof too. I did admin work and user support for that pool for 6 months and I assure you I was the only one on any sort of payroll doing that. Honestly I thought you were better than to just wing accusations about with no proof, but I guess not.

I'd like to see you prove that we had these "shill armies" you're referring to. You even backed the pool at one point until the attackers were too much. Use the same analysis you did with IYFTech and let's see your proof big boy. Everyone attacking BAN, including you, referred to our "fake" giveaway... yet much evidence was provided the giveaway was real and none provided to show it wasn't.

Believe me, I'm no BAN fan. I quit and not on good terms when I got sick of trying to placate people who were owed money and weren't getting it. I think the way the pool operated starting from late 2014 is completely unacceptable and I'm sure s0br owes people quite a bit of BTC. But there wasn't this "shilling" and "fake giveaway" everyone thinks there was, it was just a shit business model from a guy with too much optimism about mining.