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Title: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Garr255 on May 09, 2012, 04:39:26 AM
I just looked at their site and downloaded their new EasyMiner. I'm on my playbook atm, so that's not going to do me much good. :P

Has anyone started using it yet? I'd like to see some screenshots!


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 09, 2012, 05:09:56 AM
I just looked at their site and downloaded their new EasyMiner. I'm on my playbook atm, so that's not going to do me much good. :P

Has anyone started using it yet? I'd like to see some screenshots!
Interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/7zrVW.png

I forgot to shut off cgminer first, so it seems to have hung here. Not sure whether to abort or not. I hit the "run a test" button, and the small box popped up saying it was going to do a firmware update.

EDIT: I hit "abort" and it changed the display to "aborting..." but still didn't close. I then closed cgminer and nothing changed. I started cgminer again, and it started mining as usual. I don't mind if these windows want to take their time closing, but they are modal on top of everything so they are annoying.

EDIT EDIT: I hit "quit' in the main window, and it quit instantly.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Inspector 2211 on May 09, 2012, 05:34:31 AM
I just looked at their site and downloaded their new EasyMiner. I'm on my playbook atm, so that's not going to do me much good. :P

Has anyone started using it yet? I'd like to see some screenshots!
Interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/7zrVW.png

I forgot to shut off cgminer first, so it seems to have hung here. Not sure whether to abort or not. I hit the "run a test" button, and the small box popped up saying it was going to do a firmware update.

EDIT: I hit "abort" and it changed the display to "aborting..." but still didn't close. I then closed cgminer and nothing changed. I started cgminer again, and it started mining as usual. I don't mind if these windows want to take their time closing, but they are modal on top of everything so they are annoying.

EDIT EDIT: I hit "quit' in the main window, and it quit instantly.

The $64,000 question is: Did they include new firmware that performs better than the typical 826 MH/s?


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Gomeler on May 09, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
I just looked at their site and downloaded their new EasyMiner. I'm on my playbook atm, so that's not going to do me much good. :P

Has anyone started using it yet? I'd like to see some screenshots!
Interesting.

I forgot to shut off cgminer first, so it seems to have hung here. Not sure whether to abort or not. I hit the "run a test" button, and the small box popped up saying it was going to do a firmware update.

EDIT: I hit "abort" and it changed the display to "aborting..." but still didn't close. I then closed cgminer and nothing changed. I started cgminer again, and it started mining as usual. I don't mind if these windows want to take their time closing, but they are modal on top of everything so they are annoying.

EDIT EDIT: I hit "quit' in the main window, and it quit instantly.

The $64,000 question is: Did they include new firmware that performs better than the typical 826 MH/s?

If they had I'm sure there'd be a thread from BFL here stating they have a new feature available along with some CAD drawings or something  :D


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 08:03:32 AM
I just looked at their site and downloaded their new EasyMiner. I'm on my playbook atm, so that's not going to do me much good. :P

Has anyone started using it yet? I'd like to see some screenshots!
Interesting.

I forgot to shut off cgminer first, so it seems to have hung here. Not sure whether to abort or not. I hit the "run a test" button, and the small box popped up saying it was going to do a firmware update.

EDIT: I hit "abort" and it changed the display to "aborting..." but still didn't close. I then closed cgminer and nothing changed. I started cgminer again, and it started mining as usual. I don't mind if these windows want to take their time closing, but they are modal on top of everything so they are annoying.

EDIT EDIT: I hit "quit' in the main window, and it quit instantly.

The $64,000 question is: Did they include new firmware that performs better than the typical 826 MH/s?

If they had I'm sure there'd be a thread from BFL here stating they have a new feature available along with some CAD drawings or something  :D

Well there are two things I must point out:

1) This is a beta release, and the idea behind this release is to enable users to manually
adjust the operating speed of the units. The slower the unit runs, the more resistant it will
be to warmer environments (and as a result, unit will no longer throttle). Of course we have
not officially announced it yet. An updated version will be available in about 12 hours, which will
remove the dummy screen seen when 'Run a test' is clicked and will also have some other changes.

2) The unit runs at exactly 832MH/s. This means that it will always take the unit exactly 5160ms
to complete the whole 4 billion nonce check. Any number that is provided by pools or different
miners, will not be very accurate since it takes job-availability, network latencty and nonceless
jobs into consideration. These factors do not affect the hash speed of the unit.




Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 09, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Any way to allow us to mine where we want,pools other than Eclipse??


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: xtral on May 09, 2012, 10:00:45 AM
When i download the EasyMIner i get virus a warning from Aviar   >:(


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 10:54:01 AM
When i download the EasyMIner i get virus a warning from Aviar   >:(

Anti-virus business is one tricky business. They make most of their money
by falsely claiming virus existance and the fact that they wiped it out, so now
you are safe.

Either way there is no virus in easyminer. It is fully written by Butterflylabs Inc.
Not a single component, DLL, library or any other third party software has been
used in easyminer. The code is a little more than 15,000 lines so far.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: bitcoindaddy on May 09, 2012, 11:13:23 AM
Do the speed changes done by Easyminer shown here:  http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/ (http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/) "stick"? In other words, can I use Easyminer to change the speed of the device and then go back to cgminer and run at that speed?  



Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 11:24:35 AM
Do the speed changes done by Easyminer shown here:  http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/ (http://www.butterflylabs.com/drivers/) "stick"? In other words, can I use Easyminer to change the speed of the device and then go back to cgminer and run at that speed? 

Inaba has a reputation for being abusive and abrasive in these forums. I have no desire to being forced to mine on his pool. (He's called me stupid before just for voicing my opinions).

We will provide you with different firmwares at different speeds. Once you upload a firmware to a unit, it will stay in the unit
until you upload another firmware. So in other words, if you upload 768MH/s firmware, then your unit will perform 768MH/s
(regardless of what miner you use or how many times the unit is switched on and off) until another firmware is uploaded.

Regarding the Eclpise pool, I must say that no forcing was ever intended. We may add more pools in the future, but at the
time being, Eclpise is integrated due to technical reasons and ease of integration/coding.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 09, 2012, 01:49:31 PM
I just had a chance to have a poke at it again, and it actually is pretty nice. Although it is stuck to Eclipse, and the one dialog is broken, the rest of it seems to work. It is a tiny (414kb) executable that doesn't install, just runs. It has a useful function to blink an individual unit's front panel light rapidly for identification. It will do a test run of 100, 1000, or 3000 shares, and report back lots of useful info such as the number of throttles, number of errors, temperature, etc. The firmware upload option asks for an external file which I assume will be provided later; it is of file type "BFL Secured Firmware (*.bflsec)"

http://i.imgur.com/tQdoa.png

http://i.imgur.com/qNVcPl.png (http://i.imgur.com/qNVcP.jpg)
(Click for larger pic)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on May 09, 2012, 03:09:19 PM
Any APIs (HTTP or otherwise) to retrieve status, statistics of your miner?

This.  I would like to see some ANUBIS like web monitoring for an entire farm.  Don't waste time/resources trying to do it yourself just provide a mechanism to get low level data via an API.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 09, 2012, 03:10:57 PM
Any APIs (HTTP or otherwise) to retrieve status, statistics of your miner?

This.  I would like to see some ANUBIS like web monitoring for an entire farm.  Don't waste time/resources trying to do it yourself just provide a mechanism to get low level data via an API.
Like others have mentioned, I think it will only be used for firmware upgrades, and you can stick with cgminer etc for your large farm needs. Hopefully they will release more details of device communications, so the cgminer et al can get some nifty features like making the front LED blink on command.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on May 09, 2012, 03:23:04 PM
We will provide you with different firmwares at different speeds. Once you upload a firmware to a unit, it will stay in the unit
until you upload another firmware. So in other words, if you upload 768MH/s firmware, then your unit will perform 768MH/s
(regardless of what miner you use or how many times the unit is switched on and off) until another firmware is uploaded.

Regarding the Eclpise pool, I must say that no forcing was ever intended. We may add more pools in the future, but at the
time being, Eclpise is integrated due to technical reasons and ease of integration/coding.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
When do you expect the different speed firmware to become available for download?


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 03:36:54 PM
We will provide you with different firmwares at different speeds. Once you upload a firmware to a unit, it will stay in the unit
until you upload another firmware. So in other words, if you upload 768MH/s firmware, then your unit will perform 768MH/s
(regardless of what miner you use or how many times the unit is switched on and off) until another firmware is uploaded.

Regarding the Eclpise pool, I must say that no forcing was ever intended. We may add more pools in the future, but at the
time being, Eclpise is integrated due to technical reasons and ease of integration/coding.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
When do you expect the different speed firmware to become available for download?

In a few hours...


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: dirtycat on May 09, 2012, 06:31:44 PM
Any way to allow us to mine where we want,pools other than Eclipse??

Did BFL answer this or am I just blind?


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: bulanula on May 09, 2012, 06:36:30 PM
Any way to allow us to mine where we want,pools other than Eclipse??

Did BFL answer this or am I just blind?

In 4-6 weeks they will release a miner that allows you to mine anywhere you like.

In the meantime they are paying Inaba for doing the PR and tech support around here by locking easy miner to his pool only.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 06:57:16 PM
We've forgot to mention one small thing. The blink command for the units is 'ZMX'.
Unit only accepts this command and does not reply to it. Once sent, the unit will
blink for a small period of time.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 06:59:40 PM
Any way to allow us to mine where we want,pools other than Eclipse??

Did BFL answer this or am I just blind?

We must say that the Easyminer was designed to target novice and new users. Professional
users may use their miner of their choice. This is our first release and in the future, other
pools will be added to Easyminer.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: zefir on May 09, 2012, 07:11:18 PM
[...]
Professional users may use their miner of their choice.
[...]

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Not to claim I'm a professional user, but I'm a Linux only one. Any chance to also get the FW-upload command sequence documented?

Would be great not to have a spare Windows machine available just to update the Single's firmware. Or would that work from within a VM?


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 09, 2012, 08:16:25 PM
[...]
Professional users may use their miner of their choice.
[...]

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Not to claim I'm a professional user, but I'm a Linux only one. Any chance to also get the FW-upload command sequence documented?

Would be great not to have a spare Windows machine available just to update the Single's firmware. Or would that work from within a VM?


Firmware upload is a proprietary mechanism, which I'm afraid we cannot disclose. For your information,
it will work flawlessly through a VM. Minimum requirement is Windows XP SP2.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: zefir on May 09, 2012, 10:03:30 PM

Firmware upload is a proprietary mechanism, which I'm afraid we cannot disclose. For your information,
it will work flawlessly through a VM. Minimum requirement is Windows XP SP2.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

It is your choice. 

It does not take long to write a COM proxy to debug/dump what you send/receive to/from a COM port. 

^this exactly.

Unless an encrypted protocol us used to upload the FW, I don't see that the command sequence can be kept secret for ... a week max.

But having it doable from a VM lowers my personal incentive to spend time on reverse engineering that - going to upload FW maybe twice a year does not pay of investing too much time.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 10, 2012, 01:11:39 AM
Any way to allow us to mine where we want,pools other than Eclipse??

Did BFL answer this or am I just blind?

We must say that the Easyminer was designed to target novice and new users. Professional
users may use their miner of their choice. This is our first release and in the future, other
pools will be added to Easyminer.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Thank you BFL Engineer!!

I've been using GUIminer since I started mining in june & I like the dropdown list to pick the pool I want & put my email & password info in & go mining ,something as easy as that would be very welcomed ;)

Having to setup config files & the like is time consuming & if your like me,software slow,kinda confusing :-[

Keep it simple,please ;D


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jothan on May 10, 2012, 02:04:11 AM
Running EasyMiner in VirtualBox, I get a scary looking "The application failed to initialize properly" pop-up box.

Anyone else have this problem ?

Running diagnostics would be great right now as one of my units is DOA and I don't have any physical windows machine physically close.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jothan on May 10, 2012, 02:06:24 AM

Firmware upload is a proprietary mechanism, which I'm afraid we cannot disclose. For your information,
it will work flawlessly through a VM. Minimum requirement is Windows XP SP2.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

It is your choice. 

It does not take long to write a COM proxy to debug/dump what you send/receive to/from a COM port. 

^this exactly.

Unless an encrypted protocol us used to upload the FW, I don't see that the command sequence can be kept secret for ... a week max.

But having it doable from a VM lowers my personal incentive to spend time on reverse engineering that - going to upload FW maybe twice a year does not pay of investing too much time.


Any obscurity on your part does not add any security, BFL Engineer, you are only wasting time you could use on shipping machines and deluding yourself. I am dead serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_cow_problem


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: xDGDZEx on May 10, 2012, 02:47:20 AM
So I tested out the 864 MH experimental firmware on 2 Rev3 singles and this is what I got.

http://i.imgur.com/L3eVl.jpg

Also, the status of the second one is wrong, it was done uploading firmware before I began the test.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 10, 2012, 02:51:39 AM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Garr255 on May 10, 2012, 03:26:29 AM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.

Do you still have that deafening fan mod? XD

Thanks for the information everyone. I might be using this software in the coming months ;)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 10, 2012, 03:28:37 AM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.

Do you still have that deafening fan mod? XD
haha no, I have it in my office and that got annoying. Also the video was mostly a troll just to poke fun at the people that were saying it was too loud. ;D


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on May 10, 2012, 04:39:44 AM
Anyone have any luck with the 'Blink Unit(s)' function? I'm running EasyMiner_V_1.0_Beta and the 'Blink Unit(s)' feature on the right-click menu doesn't do anything for me. i.e. I click on it, but no LED on my unit blinks. It would be a handy feature if it worked.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on May 10, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
Anyone have any luck with the 'Blink Unit(s)' function? I'm running EasyMiner_V_1.0_Beta and the 'Blink Unit(s)' feature on the right-click menu doesn't do anything for me. i.e. I click on it, but no LED on my unit blinks. It would be a handy feature if it worked.
Nevermind ... it seems that my Rev2's (I tried 2 different units) don't work with the 'blink' command; even after upgrading firmware. My Rev3's work fine.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: xDGDZEx on May 10, 2012, 05:47:17 AM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.

Weird story, but one of my rev2's did this, while the other didn't. However all rev3's took the new firmware.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 10, 2012, 06:04:12 AM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.

Certain older versions of the single need a power-cycle after firmware upload.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 10, 2012, 06:05:35 AM
Anyone have any luck with the 'Blink Unit(s)' function? I'm running EasyMiner_V_1.0_Beta and the 'Blink Unit(s)' feature on the right-click menu doesn't do anything for me. i.e. I click on it, but no LED on my unit blinks. It would be a handy feature if it worked.

Some of the Rev 2 do not offer the blink feature, since it was released in a later
MCU Firmware.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: fuuka on May 10, 2012, 12:38:31 PM
I have a rev3 with the extra fan on the bottom (some don't have this?).

Using the diagnostic feature, the default firmware averages something like 844Mh/s while the 862Mh/s firmware averages 880Mh/s indicated, it is closer to the 832 and 862 advertised values in the non-ideal situation of actual mining.  Ambient temp is 74F (~23C) measured with an IR temp gun.  No throttling detected and a max temp of something like 53C for the single.  I will check power consumption in a bit when I move it to my mining rig.

cgminer 2.4.1 shows an average around 30Mh/s improvement, but I haven't let it run long enough to get a good average reading.

http://i.imgur.com/F5X7L.png


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 10, 2012, 12:54:36 PM
My single got the new bitstream, but doesn't seem to be going any faster. I dunno if cgminer has an indicator for the number of times it has throttled, but it is currently at 826/803 5s/avg speed. The test went through without a hitch, but it sure isn't going at 860+ mhash/s.

Certain older versions of the single need a power-cycle after firmware upload.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
Thanks, after a power cycle it is going faster.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on May 10, 2012, 03:10:52 PM
@BFL_Engineer: regarding the different firmware binaries available for download:

For the 864 (experimental), 792 and 768 (hot environment) firmware, are there any functional differences between these and the 832/816/808/800 versions other than hashrate? Throttling point, for example?

I'm just wondering why you have labels ('experimental' or 'hot environment') on some but not the others.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 10, 2012, 03:32:28 PM
@BFL_Engineer: regarding the different firmware binaries available for download:

For the 864 (experimental), 792 and 768 (hot environment) firmware, are there any functional differences between these and the 832/816/808/800 versions other than hashrate? Throttling point, for example?

I'm just wondering why you have labels ('experimental' or 'hot environment') on some but not the others.


Only speed is different. Throttle-point is decided by the microprocessor on board, based on chips condition.
Lower speed however, will keep the chips cooler, thus in most cases no throttle is ever needed.

All the firmwares marked with 'Experimental' are not guaranteed to work on all units. My guess is that it will
work on 99% of them all, but it may force unit to throttle. Keeping the units in a cooler environment may
enable them to run at higher speeds. 864 is not the Highest we can reach, but it does meet our quality
requirements.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: allinvain on May 10, 2012, 09:44:58 PM
Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge :)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 11, 2012, 04:17:14 AM
I have the generation of singles that can not blink the front light it seems. Firmware update doesn't fix this?

Anyway, I figured out that I could identify a particular single but doing a short test it. I could then look through the grill of the case and see the red mining light turn on and blink occasionally. I now have all of mine labeled.

I like the easy miner, looking forward to seeing it with more features.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 11, 2012, 04:18:12 AM
Oh, BFL, could you add teh average temp for the testing period to the results that display at the end of the test? Thats an important reading.

Thanks


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: RoloTonyBrownTown on May 13, 2012, 01:59:23 AM
Hmm, Easyminer doesn't see my boxes at all, weirdly (they're currently happily mining away)...

EDIT:  Ok, I had to quit out of Cgminer before they were picked up.  Fair enough.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 13, 2012, 02:00:21 AM
In case no one noticed they have released Beta 1.1

I don't notice anything new yet but fyi.



Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 13, 2012, 02:01:08 AM
Hmm, Easyminer doesn't see my boxes at all, weirdly (they're currently happily mining away)...

I found I had to stop cgminer from mining or it didn't see mine either.



Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: fuuka on May 13, 2012, 11:05:00 AM
Looking forward to more firmware releases.

Maybe even some community ones   ;)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: preparation on May 14, 2012, 05:54:20 AM
I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: SgtSpike on May 14, 2012, 11:41:09 PM
I installed EasyMiner.  It shows my units just fine, but only allows me to select the 3rd option on the menu (the diagnostics/testing/statistics option, forgot what it was called).  The other two options are grayed out.  So, I can see the units, but I can't mine with them using EasyMiner.  Any suggestions?

Any obscurity on your part does not add any security, BFL Engineer, you are only wasting time you could use on shipping machines and deluding yourself. I am dead serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_cow_problem
Passwords are security through obscurity.  Just sayin.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 15, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
I installed EasyMiner.  It shows my units just fine, but only allows me to select the 3rd option on the menu (the diagnostics/testing/statistics option, forgot what it was called).  The other two options are grayed out.  So, I can see the units, but I can't mine with them using EasyMiner.  Any suggestions?

Any obscurity on your part does not add any security, BFL Engineer, you are only wasting time you could use on shipping machines and deluding yourself. I am dead serious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_cow_problem
Passwords are security through obscurity.  Just sayin.

Mining feature is still under development, as we have something a lot more important to finish
before we proceed with the rest of the EasyMiner coding.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 15, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)

Please note that any other application that may use the units (or simply holds their COMPORT open)
must be closed. No two applications can access the same Com Port at the same time.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 15, 2012, 01:30:28 PM
Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge :)


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: af_newbie on May 15, 2012, 01:43:37 PM
I can't find my units using easyminer :/ tried several cables and ports while connecting to a desktop (win7) or a laptop (xp)

Reboot and try cgminer.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: dirtycat on May 15, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge :)


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 15, 2012, 05:40:20 PM
Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge :)


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!
lol, that's only with an unreleased test firmware. Although it would be fun to try.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: dirtycat on May 15, 2012, 05:42:07 PM
Out of curiosity what is the absolute highest hashrate you've gotten out of these units?

Now if someone was to build a waterblock for the babies we could push them to the edge :)


960 MH/s has been confirmed, although the unit throttles every 40 seconds. Running at
that speed needs special cooling (it may work in the freezer however, without throttling).


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

BFL recommends putting your singles in the freezer!!!
lol, that's only with an unreleased test firmware. Although it would be fun to try.

I can imagine a whole freezer with bunch of neatly stacked singles.. idea people!!!


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: catfish on May 15, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
[...]
Professional users may use their miner of their choice.
[...]

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Not to claim I'm a professional user, but I'm a Linux only one. Any chance to also get the FW-upload command sequence documented?

Would be great not to have a spare Windows machine available just to update the Single's firmware. Or would that work from within a VM?


Firmware upload is a proprietary mechanism, which I'm afraid we cannot disclose. For your information,
it will work flawlessly through a VM. Minimum requirement is Windows XP SP2.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.
Arse - that kills any BFL product for me then. I'm a Unix user, preferably of the Apple flavour... and whilst Stefan @ Ztex doesn't support Mac OS X, he happily provided me the SDK source and I put a few days in porting it to Snow Leopard.

BFL products still tweak my risk-analytics neurons for various reasons, but the performance per $ is hard to beat. If you chaps had a European distributor then you'd be a serious competitor in the EU market - though the implication I get is that you have enough trouble fulfilling continental USA orders without another entire trading bloc to deal with (hell, even UK demand would be high, let alone the 'real' Europe ;) ).

The big issue is that electricity is still cheap in many parts of the USA, making FPGA tech vs. GPUs less of a 'no-brainer'. In Europe, and definitely including the UK, electricity costs so much that shifting to FPGA tech is a *complete* no-brainer. Capital cost be damned - there's no profit in running 5 kW GPU rigs 24/7, even if you *can* get rid of the waste heat without cooking your server room.

Hence the EU is desperate for FPGA tech, I'd say more so than the USA. Look at Ztex - premium products at premium prices... yet Stefan can sell all that he can build, and give his customers as much bad attitude as he likes.

However, there's no 'sekrit' shit with Stefan. I've mined with Inaba before, and whilst I certainly wouldn't call him 'abrasive', he has strong opinions (we both developed one-shot Linux install scripts for GPU mining way back when). Being forced to abandon my preferred pool for Inaba's wouldn't be a deal-breaker for me.

But being forced to run Windows? Nobody forces me to run Windows - this is 'gun at head' stuff, and even if this makes me sound like those sad OS religious warriors (actually, I don't evangelise or troll, I just get on with using my preferred platforms), so be it.


My opinion may be just more chattering BS on the forums... but I'd seriously advise you to at least support Linux with your miner code... a hell of a lot of early-adopters who are investing all their spare capital (the hobbyists, so to speak) are hackers who prefer FOSS (and would even prefer commercial closed-source Linux binaries to Windows - after all, all Linux GPU miners are using closed-source AMD driver binaries - none of us are 'truly' FOSS).

And whilst I can't speak for the *truly* big operations, the commercial ventures with hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest, your software doesn't appear to be targeted at them *anyway*. I've only got a small capital investment between 5k-10k ($8,000 - $16,000), half in FPGAs and half (already amortised) in my original GPU rigs. I'm still a small player but it's still part of my business - I don't care how much Windows costs, but it costs a non-zero amount. And whilst I'm not getting into religious wars over stability and external costs of anti-malware protection etc. - any downtime costs money.

Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: SgtSpike on May 15, 2012, 08:48:11 PM
Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: catfish on May 15, 2012, 09:07:16 PM
Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.
The BFL rep said that the firmware upload procedure was classified and encrypted, and runs only on Windows XP. My FPGAs don't run without the bitstream loaded onto them, so if BFL need a Windows box to load their bitstream, then I don't see any incoherence in my comment.

As to the one-pool - that's only because it was mentioned that only Inaba's pool was supported by the software.

I'm only talking about this specific software (as per the title of the thread) - if BFL supply a toolchain for other OSes that allows programming of the bitstream, which can then be controlled by a FOSS miner of choice, then that's a good thing. But my comment referred *only* to the topic - their EasyMiner software.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 15, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
Just a quick note catfish, so that you are aware - these devices have their own microcontroller and flash, and come preloaded with "a" bitstream, but as you well know cannot be updated to a faster version outside of Windows. But they don't need to be reprogrammed each powercycle, since the firmware/bitstream is stored locally.

However, making it updateable within a *nix OS is definitely preferable, even if the bitstream remains encrypted all the way to the device. That would make it much better.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: SgtSpike on May 15, 2012, 09:14:47 PM
Leaving customers with only one commercial operating system choice and one mining pool increases downtime risk. With the non-trivial cost of investing in FPGA tech in the first place, downtime is a miner's worst enemy. Seems odd to me - are these 'sekrits' so extreme that they have to be protected at all costs? Nobody else is using the chips you are - everyone else is using the Spartan-6 LX150 with differing USB interface solutions - so what still needs to be hidden? All secrecy does at this stage is engender mistrust...
I suppose I am confused where they are leaving you with only one OS choice and one mining pool?

Use CG Miner, use whatever OS you want, and mine at whatever pool you want.
The BFL rep said that the firmware upload procedure was classified and encrypted, and runs only on Windows XP. My FPGAs don't run without the bitstream loaded onto them, so if BFL need a Windows box to load their bitstream, then I don't see any incoherence in my comment.

As to the one-pool - that's only because it was mentioned that only Inaba's pool was supported by the software.

I'm only talking about this specific software (as per the title of the thread) - if BFL supply a toolchain for other OSes that allows programming of the bitstream, which can then be controlled by a FOSS miner of choice, then that's a good thing. But my comment referred *only* to the topic - their EasyMiner software.
Got it.  I kind of gathered that you thought you couldn't mine with them on linux.  Guess I got the wrong impression there.

EDIT:  You seem to be implying that this is a dealbreaker.  Before BFL released the faster firmware, were you considering purchasing them?  Or was it only potentially worth purchasing after the faster firmware was released?  Or are you just rejecting them on principle?


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: enmaku on May 15, 2012, 09:27:50 PM
Realistically the problem isn't that BFL is limiting our options with proprietary software - we sill have plenty of FOSS alternatives to easyminer. The problem is BFL's general attitude of secrecy and proprietary nonsense when selling to a community that loves their open-source. First they claim to be using a totally proprietary design that no one will ever ever reverse engineer. ZhouTong desolders a chip and hooks it up to JTAG headers, finds out it's an Altera Stratix III EP3SL150 FPGA. Now they're telling us the firmware flash mechanism is proprietary - how long do they think it'll be before someone breaks that too? They're handing us closed-source software but as was mentioned it's not hard to sniff COM port activity and reverse engineer that too. Classic "smart cow" problems all - I'm just wondering how long it'll be until BFL figures out that all their secrecy buys them is time. There's no reason to keep this stuff under wraps - there's no harm in letting people experiment with custom firmwares as long as they're clear on what that does to warranty support, there's no harm in just telling people what chip they're using either, it's just confusing how secretive BFL acts.

Note that I'm not saying their product is bad or that I don't approve of it - I'm on the wait list for a single, actually - I'm just saying that they have a very secretive business model and *that* I don't approve of.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: SgtSpike on May 15, 2012, 09:33:27 PM
Realistically the problem isn't that BFL is limiting our options with proprietary software - we sill have plenty of FOSS alternatives to easyminer. The problem is BFL's general attitude of secrecy and proprietary nonsense when selling to a community that loves their open-source. First they claim to be using a totally proprietary design that no one will ever ever reverse engineer. ZhouTong desolders a chip and hooks it up to JTAG headers, finds out it's an Altera Stratix III EP3SL150 FPGA. Now they're telling us the firmware flash mechanism is proprietary - how long do they think it'll be before someone breaks that too? They're handing us closed-source software but as was mentioned it's not hard to sniff COM port activity and reverse engineer that too. Classic "smart cow" problems all - I'm just wondering how long it'll be until BFL figures out that all their secrecy buys them is time. There's no reason to keep this stuff under wraps - there's no harm in letting people experiment with custom firmwares as long as they're clear on what that does to warranty support, there's no harm in just telling people what chip they're using either, it's just confusing how secretive BFL acts.

Note that I'm not saying their product is bad or that I don't approve of it - I'm on the wait list for a single, actually - I'm just saying that they have a very secretive business model and *that* I don't approve of.
Yeah, I understand where you're coming from.  For me personally, it doesn't bother me at all, but I know why people who love open-source would be bothered.

My guess as to why they remain as closed as possible about these things is so that they can keep competitors out as long as possible.  If people knew right from the start that they were using an Altera Stratix III EP3SL150 FPGA, and had the open source firmware, it wouldn't take much for someone else to start copying the process and selling it themselves.  As it is, BFL still has a corner on the market for the price/MH/s, and that's largely in part because they kept everything closed-source.

It is usually smart, financially, to do things closed-source to avoid competitors stealing your work.  Not always smart, but usually.  And I think the smarter choice in this case WAS keeping things closed-source.  Maybe they'll open it up in the future, once there is less risk of competitors stealing their work (perhaps after competitors are more focused on ASICs instead), and there is more incentive to offer consumers a modifiable platform.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Luke-Jr on May 15, 2012, 10:05:32 PM
Realistically the problem isn't that BFL is limiting our options with proprietary software - we sill have plenty of FOSS alternatives to easyminer.
We have exactly zero free software or non-Windows BFL firmware upgraders. Despite BFL's claim, I was unable to get my Singles recognized by a Windows VM no matter how I passed the device through. When/if someone else* documents the protocol (I hear their EXE is easily decompiled), I plan to write a free firmware upgrade tool. In most countries, this process would be perfectly legal (yay clean-room reverse engineering), so it's just a matter of time.

(since I intend to write such a tool, I cannot myself look at or decompile BFL's code without tainting the "clean" status of my code)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jothan on May 16, 2012, 12:54:08 AM
Realistically the problem isn't that BFL is limiting our options with proprietary software - we sill have plenty of FOSS alternatives to easyminer. The problem is BFL's general attitude of secrecy and proprietary nonsense when selling to a community that loves their open-source. First they claim to be using a totally proprietary design that no one will ever ever reverse engineer. ZhouTong desolders a chip and hooks it up to JTAG headers, finds out it's an Altera Stratix III EP3SL150 FPGA. Now they're telling us the firmware flash mechanism is proprietary - how long do they think it'll be before someone breaks that too? They're handing us closed-source software but as was mentioned it's not hard to sniff COM port activity and reverse engineer that too. Classic "smart cow" problems all - I'm just wondering how long it'll be until BFL figures out that all their secrecy buys them is time. There's no reason to keep this stuff under wraps - there's no harm in letting people experiment with custom firmwares as long as they're clear on what that does to warranty support, there's no harm in just telling people what chip they're using either, it's just confusing how secretive BFL acts.

Note that I'm not saying their product is bad or that I don't approve of it - I'm on the wait list for a single, actually - I'm just saying that they have a very secretive business model and *that* I don't approve of.

Exactly. Sanding the chips for example cost them time they could have used to do other things. It took only a few weeks for someone to figure out the FPGA model, nullifying any "benefit" of sanding the chips in the first place.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 16, 2012, 02:03:27 AM
Not saying it has happened, but how difficult would it be to make a chip spit out bogus info? Purely from a technical standpoint, ignoring other clues such as package and pin layout.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: catfish on May 16, 2012, 05:43:01 PM
Got it.  I kind of gathered that you thought you couldn't mine with them on linux.  Guess I got the wrong impression there.

EDIT:  You seem to be implying that this is a dealbreaker.  Before BFL released the faster firmware, were you considering purchasing them?  Or was it only potentially worth purchasing after the faster firmware was released?  Or are you just rejecting them on principle?
It'd have to be a pretty intense principle to stop me considering the business reality that is BFL's lower cost per hash :) Yes, I've been somewhat critical of FPGAs that *overheat* (why not use expensive GPUs that do the same?) and the early days of vapourware, but when running a miner as a business, one must ignore the emotional and 'technology-religious' dogma.

The biggest impediment stopping me considering BFL is the fact that I live in the UK and the import duties would make the kit (when it eventually arrives...) instantly uncompetitive. A lot can happen in the lead time that BFL quote... I hadn't logged onto the forums for a couple of weeks due to manically trying to build my 25 Ztex FPGAs - when I logged back in, a new UK company had gone from zero to a quad Spartan board design and were already releasing dev boards to beta testers (Enterpoint).

You can imagine my response. WTF?

Also, Enterpoint's kit is local, and makes my Ztex FPGAs look rather expensive. But Stefan @ Ztex delivered the working FPGAs exactly when he said he would (i.e. when I paid him). No long lead times, no loss of opportunity cost.

Now if I'd invested 5k in BFL products and swallowed the import duties, and was still on a waiting list when a new player springs up in my back yard, I've just wasted 5k. Best case scenario is that the order is cancellable, and BFL refund the entire amount... but if the guesswork re: the Singles using used / NOS Stratix-3 chips in small batches at fire-sale prices is true, I can't see why BFL would offer such a generous cancellation / returns policy. If I've just ordered 10 Singles and they've had to trawl the market to find these fire-sale Altera FPGAs, why should they let me simply cancel with no penalty?

This is the biggest problem for me - the second is the fact that they still use enough power to figure in the profit calculations (electricity is furiously expensive where I live - hence the reason why I bought the highest hash per watt and lowest wattage per device). The clusterfuck with the additional fan bolted on screamed of amateur engineering and a rushed product, and we've now got full-bore professionals taking an interest in the Bitcoin mining market. I'd point at Stefan @ Ztex, but he was one of the early adopters anyway. Take Enterpoint instead. Professional board design / consultancy outfit, and look how quickly they've gone from zero to what looks very viable indeed.

With payback times well beyond BFL's warranty, and FPGA professionals piling in, BFL's sekrit squirrel approach and Windows-only firmware update (they have released faster bitstreams since the first hardware shipped, after all, so it's a process that can be expected to occur again) is just the final nail in the coffin re: me considering their hardware.

If they got an EU distributor and sorted out delivery times, I still wouldn't want each box running 80W heat dissipation. Their 'Rig Box' is a lot more appealing but again, I want to see one.


Business is business and I'm not going to ignore the most competitive vendor because I think Micro$oft ARE TEH EVIL!!11!1!! - not only do I not think that, it is also very childish and I gave up OS religious wars back at college - I was using OS/2 Warp and my engineer mate was trying to compile Linux with a 2.0 kernel... too old for that shit now.

However, given the other disincentives to consider BFL products, adding the sheer distaste of having to run Windows somewhere (and paying Microsoft for an operating system I'll never use apart from the odd firmware update) is a dealbreaker for me.

Up till now, Ztex were my vendor of choice. Enterpoint are now making a damn strong case for themselves. Shame I've run out of money. Anyone want to buy some GPUs? ;)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: SgtSpike on May 16, 2012, 05:51:31 PM
Makes sense catfish - sounds like a lot of little things add up to make BFL not worthwhile.  Long delivery times, require Windows to reflash, import tax, high electric usage compared to other FPGA's, etc.  Anyway, thanks for the lengthy explanation.  ;)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: ice_chill on May 16, 2012, 06:48:54 PM
Import tax is only VAT at 20% in UK, however Enterpoint quote a price without VAT, and unless you are VAT registered you will still pay VAT on the product, so it makes no difference, BFL or Enterpoint, you just pay a bit more to Enterpoint for better efficiency and faster ship times.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 08:01:54 AM
Got my Single today  ;D

But.....Easy miner says its mining but the places to put in my wallet addy or paypal addy are "greyed" out (all options are greyed out,even run a test & install drivers) ),so I shut it down.I did go back & update the firmware thinking that may be the prob & ran a test from the second window,say's it works fine.I also made an account at Eclispe in the hopes that something might "work" somehow,but noooo ::)

Then tried CGminer,I'm software stupid so can't make a .bat file,so no mining there.Also have no idea how to --enable-bitforce,where do you put this command?? I never used cmd before,except for tracert runs.I just build PC's & hotrods  ;D

DL'd Ufasoft,this has got to work,it keeps shutting down when I fire it up........first windows said it was a virus,I know better so I allowed it in the popup.....ran it again.......now windows wants to send a report,yeah that'll fix it  :D

I'm running Win7 64bit,how did you guys get this thing to work with any of these miners ??? Windows saw the bitforce & installed FTDI,so I don't think thats the prob.But in device manager,under ports it just says com3 (the usb port),not bitforce.

Yes I surfed the forum,for about 4 hrs last nite,no luck.................  :'(

I read the HeavyB posts,I'm still lost.

Thanks for any help  8) If this was posted in the wrong place,just give it a shove to the right place  ;)



Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 19, 2012, 08:22:08 AM
Got my Single today  ;D

But.....Easy miner says its mining but the places to put in my wallet addy or paypal addy are "greyed" out (all options are greyed out,even run a test & install drivers) ),so I shut it down.I did go back & update the firmware thinking that may be the prob & ran a test from the second window,say's it works fine.I also made an account at Eclispe in the hopes that something might "work" somehow,but noooo ::)

Then tried CGminer,I'm software stupid so can't make a .bat file,so no mining there.Also have no idea how to --enable-bitforce,where do you put this command?? I never used cmd before,except for tracert runs.I just build PC's & hotrods  ;D

DL'd Ufasoft,this has got to work,it keeps shutting down when I fire it up........first windows said it was a virus,I know better so I allowed it in the popup.....ran it again.......now windows wants to send a report,yeah that'll fix it  :D

I'm running Win7 64bit,how did you guys get this thing to work with any of these miners ??? Windows saw the bitforce & installed FTDI,so I don't think thats the prob.But in device manager,under ports it just says com3 (the usb port),not bitforce.

Yes I surfed the forum,for about 4 hrs last nite,no luck.................  :'(

I read the HeavyB posts,I'm still lost.

Thanks for any help  8) If this was posted in the wrong place,just give it a shove to the right place  ;)



For now you might try bitminter just to get going. I'm off to bed and have to get up early so can't go through the whole .bat thing right now.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=31163.msg877772#msg877772


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Cablez on May 19, 2012, 01:26:36 PM
Here is a semi blank batch file for cgminer 2.4.1. 
1)Copy the text to notepad and modify what you need then save it as cgminer.bat.
2)Put it in your cgminer folder and run it.

If you have gpus as well you just need to add the relevant commands found in the first post of the cgminer thread.

cgminer -o http://poolurl:port -u user -p pass -S COM3 --failover-only


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: jddebug on May 19, 2012, 05:02:03 PM
Here is a semi blank batch file for cgminer 2.4.1. 
1)Copy the text to notepad and modify what you need then save it as cgminer.bat.
2)Put it in your cgminer folder and run it.

If you have gpus as well you just need to add the relevant commands found in the first post of the cgminer thread.

cgminer -o http://poolurl:port -u user -p pass -S COM3 --failover-only

Additionally, COM3 may not be your COM port. Look in Device Manager to determine the actual COM port.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Cablez on May 19, 2012, 05:39:24 PM
I left it as COM3 because he had mentioned it but definitely make sure that is the correct port or cgminer will not find the BFL.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 07:33:11 PM
Here is a semi blank batch file for cgminer 2.4.1.  
1)Copy the text to notepad and modify what you need then save it as cgminer.bat.
2)Put it in your cgminer folder and run it.

If you have gpus as well you just need to add the relevant commands found in the first post of the cgminer thread.

cgminer -o http://poolurl:port -u user -p pass -S COM3 --failover-only

Thanks !!!!!!! That did it  ;D

I was sooo tired after doing a landscape job yesterday,I must not have been thinking right :D

I made about 10 .bat files & none of them worked,I was mislabeling them,duh ::)

My hashrate is half though any thoughts??

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLHash.jpg

Maybe I flashed the wrong firmware version,I DL'ed the 832 version & flashed it instead of a higher one just in case of throttling like I had read about.

Is the temp correct in CGminer??


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 19, 2012, 07:36:14 PM
Here is a semi blank batch file for cgminer 2.4.1. 
1)Copy the text to notepad and modify what you need then save it as cgminer.bat.
2)Put it in your cgminer folder and run it.

If you have gpus as well you just need to add the relevant commands found in the first post of the cgminer thread.

cgminer -o http://poolurl:port -u user -p pass -S COM3 --failover-only

Thanks !!!!!!! That did it  ;D

I was sooo tired after doing a landscape job yesterday,I must not have been thinking right :D

I made about 10 .bat files & none of them worked,I was mislabeling them,duh ::)

My hashrate is half though any thoughts??

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLhashrate.jpg

Maybe I flashed the wrong firmware version,I DL'ed the 832 version & flashed it instead of a higher one just in case of throttling like I had read about.

Is the temp correct in CGminer??

Is there any chance you can test 824 and see what happens? Also, does the front LED occasionally blink
for around 15 seconds while you're hashing?


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Thanks for responding BFL ;)

The light only seemed to flash for reject shares or in between work.

Ok,I flashed the 824 firmware & ran a diag :

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLdiag1.jpg

My room temp is 78 f.

That flash dropped the hashrate to 125. Now it doesen't flash at all ???

EDIT: Duh...again........I didn't restart it ::)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 19, 2012, 07:59:45 PM
Can you right click on the unit, and click on Device Information and let us know what it reads?


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 19, 2012, 08:14:39 PM
Thanks for responding BFL ;)

The light only seemed to flash for reject shares or in between work.

Ok,I flashed the 824 firmware & ran a diag :

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLdiag1.jpg

My room temp is 78 f.

That flash dropped the hashrate to 125. Now it doesen't flash at all ???

EDIT: Duh...again........I didn't restart it ::)

Also, the test run shows Total Throttles = 1, this means the unit is throttling.
What is the In-Take temperature of the unit, not necessarily the room temperature?
These units are tested at 72F not 78F. Are these units placed close together? Is a GPU
exhausting hot air into the units Intake? Is the Unit in a closed space where it cannot
ventilate efficiently? Is something blocking either the sides or the top side of the unit?

Please let us know.



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 08:54:22 PM


Also, the test run shows Total Throttles = 1, this means the unit is throttling.
What is the In-Take temperature of the unit, not necessarily the room temperature?
These units are tested at 72F not 78F. Are these units placed close together? Is a GPU
exhausting hot air into the units Intake? Is the Unit in a closed space where it cannot
ventilate efficiently? Is something blocking either the sides or the top side of the unit?

Please let us know.



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

[/quote]

I only have one unit & it's sitting on an open shelf away from any sources of heat,other PC's or electronic devices are at least 3 feet away & nothing is exhuasting anywhere near it.I'll setup another PC in another room later & move it there & see how it goes.

I went ahead & tried the 864 firmware just to see how it goes:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h148/Bigblock462/BFLdiag3.jpg

Yep,throttling is occuring :'(

I'll try flashing the hot environment firmware & post the results,before moving it to another location.

Thanks for the help BFL-Engineer  ;)



Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 09:35:56 PM
Well,I flashed the 768 firmware & viola,it's mining @ 750mh/s ;D

I expected a learning curve,so I'm not disappointed in the issues I've run into  8)

It's a great little device & I'm very pleased with it.I'll be getting more soon!!!

Hope you guy's at BFL can get these to work a little better in a hotter enviroment,like 80 degrees.I'm in florida & to get to 72 degrees is very costly.

Thanks again for all the help guys !!!!! 8)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 19, 2012, 09:47:25 PM
Well,I flashed the 768 firmware & viola,it's mining @ 750mh/s ;D

I expected a learning curve,so I'm not disappointed in the issues I've run into  8)

It's a great little device & I'm very pleased with it.I'll be getting more soon!!!

Hope you guy's at BFL can get these to work a little better in a hotter enviroment,like 80 degrees.I'm in florida & to get to 72 degrees is very costly.

Thanks again for all the help guys !!!!! 8)


OK, now you can test with 792, 800 and 808. Increase firmware version one by one to find
the sweet spot. Please let us know how it goes.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 19, 2012, 09:53:24 PM
Well,I flashed the 768 firmware & viola,it's mining @ 750mh/s ;D

I expected a learning curve,so I'm not disappointed in the issues I've run into  8)

It's a great little device & I'm very pleased with it.I'll be getting more soon!!!

Hope you guy's at BFL can get these to work a little better in a hotter enviroment,like 80 degrees.I'm in florida & to get to 72 degrees is very costly.

Thanks again for all the help guys !!!!! 8)


OK, now you can test with 792, 800 and 808. Increase firmware version one by one to find
the sweet spot. Please let us know how it goes.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Sure will 8)

Thanks for responding so quickly  ;)


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 21, 2012, 05:13:53 AM
I've noticed out of my 10 BFL units, two seem to throttle themselves.  I've done some testing between the 872 and 864, at 100 units, and they all pass (using windows 7 in Parallels on OSX).

They only seem to throttle after I power cycle them.  I had them all mining for about a day, and I decided to stop cgminer and let them cool down.  I shut down cgminer, and powered them all off for about 15 minutes, so they could get back to about 21 C.  When they came back up, they all reported a good hashrate, till I checked them again about 8 hours later. 8 of the units acted as expected (about 850 mhps), while one was at 752 (47 C) and the other at 663 (51 C).  I've been running the a/c through the hottest part of the day, and none of them get hotter than 58 C.

When I noticed this a few days ago, I read that there might have been an issue with thermal paste, so I took the worst of the units apart and cleaned off the "lumpy" paste and reseated the heatsink and pipe.  After reassembling it and bringing it back up, it reported an increase of about 10 mhps (bringing it in line with the others).  Sadly, after running yesterday and most of today and being power cycled and cooled this afternoon, it's fallen back to previous levels after about 4 hours (664 @ 51.6C).

At this point I may just clean and reapply thermal paste on the two "bad" ones, as this is about all I can think of trying.  It appeared that the "lumpy" thermal paste may have been applied, then allowed to sit for some time until it got seated on the chips (my best guess), so it wasn't getting 100% of it's surface touching between the heat sinks and chips.

I'm wondering if it might be worth it to simply clean all of them really well, and use a higher quality thermal paste.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Garr255 on May 21, 2012, 05:22:19 AM
I'd do that. Just get them all running how they should be then you won't have to watch them all day :P


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 21, 2012, 05:36:23 AM
Update:

I tried flashing the 792 & 800 firmware & the unit still throttles (room temp 76 degrees f) & won't get over 300 mh/s.

However with the 768 firmware I can mine with room temps of up to 84 degress f @ 760 mh/s,I opened my windows just to see if the higher temps would make it throttle & no throttleing.

Next step is to turn down the A/C to 70 degrees f & keep flashing firmware,higher each time & see what happens.


Before I do,is there any limit to flashing?? I already flashed 4 times so far............don't think so,but its better to ask ;)


Also,if after all this & I still can't run anything but the 768 FW,I may try reapplying the H/S compound.Those that have done this,what compound are you using??

I always use Ceramique on CPU's & GPU's,but it's pretty thick stuff & I'm thinking it may be too thick for this application.

I've been keeping up with rkozola's issues to maybe be enlightened as my problem is similiar.

BTW,I know USB 2.0 works,but is there anything to gain with using USB 3.0 ??


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 21, 2012, 05:59:40 AM
Update:

I tried flashing the 792 & 800 firmware & the unit still throttles (room temp 76 degrees f) & won't get over 300 mh/s.

However with the 768 firmware I can mine with room temps of up to 84 degress f @ 760 mh/s,I opened my windows just to see if the higher temps would make it throttle & no throttleing.

Next step is to turn down the A/C to 70 degrees f & keep flashing firmware,higher each time & see what happens.


Before I do,is there any limit to flashing?? I already flashed 4 times so far............don't think so,but its better to ask ;)


Also,if after all this & I still can't run anything but the 768 FW,I may try reapplying the H/S compound.Those that have done this,what compound are you using??

I always use Ceramique on CPU's & GPU's,but it's pretty thick stuff & I'm thinking it may be too thick for this application.

I've been keeping up with rkozola's issues to maybe be enlightened as my problem is similiar.

BTW,I know USB 2.0 works,but is there anything to gain with using USB 3.0 ??


Please let us know how the unit works after reapplying the H/S compound.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 21, 2012, 06:37:09 AM
Update:

I tried flashing the 792 & 800 firmware & the unit still throttles (room temp 76 degrees f) & won't get over 300 mh/s.

However with the 768 firmware I can mine with room temps of up to 84 degress f @ 760 mh/s,I opened my windows just to see if the higher temps would make it throttle & no throttleing.

Next step is to turn down the A/C to 70 degrees f & keep flashing firmware,higher each time & see what happens.


Before I do,is there any limit to flashing?? I already flashed 4 times so far............don't think so,but its better to ask ;)


Also,if after all this & I still can't run anything but the 768 FW,I may try reapplying the H/S compound.Those that have done this,what compound are you using??

I always use Ceramique on CPU's & GPU's,but it's pretty thick stuff & I'm thinking it may be too thick for this application.

I've been keeping up with rkozola's issues to maybe be enlightened as my problem is similiar.

BTW,I know USB 2.0 works,but is there anything to gain with using USB 3.0 ??


Please let us know how the unit works after reapplying the H/S compound.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

So,I am assuming there is no real limit to how many flashes one can do to a unit ??


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 21, 2012, 07:23:08 AM
I've flashed them a number of times, with a couple bad flashes too (something interrupted it halfway through).

Here are how they look after mining for two days:

http://phraust.com/photos/Mining_5.20.12.png

I'll probably be taking them down tomorrow to check the thermal paste.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Unacceptable on May 21, 2012, 07:29:25 AM
I've flashed them a number of times, with a couple bad flashes too (something interrupted it halfway through).

Here are how they look after mining for two days:

http://phraust.com/photos/Mining_5.20.12.png

I'll probably be taking them down tomorrow to check the thermal paste.

 :o Nice setup :o

What compound are you going to use ?? I'm taking a survey  ;D


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 21, 2012, 09:30:26 AM
:o Nice setup :o

What compound are you going to use ?? I'm taking a survey  ;D

Thanks :D. Honestly, I have no idea yet, i was going to do some research to see what has the best reviews.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 21, 2012, 09:38:40 AM
I've flashed them a number of times, with a couple bad flashes too (something interrupted it halfway through).

Here are how they look after mining for two days:

http://phraust.com/photos/Mining_5.20.12.png

I'll probably be taking them down tomorrow to check the thermal paste.

It seems that one of your units is throttling. You may want to check heatsink, Intake air temperature.
Please let us know how it goes.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 22, 2012, 06:55:24 AM
Okay, so I've re-done the thermal paste on the three units that were causing the most trouble...

The worst one, #8, is now running at 807.7/828.5 @ 54.0C.  Much better than it was, but still not keeping up with the others.

The second one, #5, is now running at 857.7/848.8 @ 48.6 C.

The third one I redid, #7, was dropping off yesterday.  It's now running 857.7/848.8849.1 @ 55.3C.

I just noticed that it was running better than all of the others by a hair.  #7 is pulling 857.7/849.1 where all of the other's  (except for #5 and #8) are at 857.7/848.8.  Weird.

The thermal paste seems to be at the heart of the issue.  I took a bunch of pictures of the process, and I'll put together a walkthrough.  One thing I noticed was that this one, #7, had a diffferent thermal paste and fan connector than the others.  The thermal paste was silvery, metallic looking, where #5 and #8 were white.  #7's hadn't dried up and became "lumpy" like the others.  The connector was also a black 2-pin, instead of the white three pin connector.

I used the AcrtiCleaner 2-part stuff, as per instructions.  q-tips and paper towels to get off the gunk with a quick wipe from a no-lint swatch I had after using the second cleaner.  Reapplied a dot of ArcticSilver 5 to the center of each chip.  They say the burn-in is around 200 hours, with a steady drop in temps over that time, we'll see.

*I may have goofed up #8, as I didn't apply enough ArticSilver the first time, and had to pull it off and apply another dot, so there may be bubbles.  I'll let it run throughout the night and see how it's averaging in the morning before I do anything else.  Oh, and all 10 units are using the 872 firmware.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 23, 2012, 09:48:45 PM
Well, after two day sof running, #5 and #8 have returned to throttling (709 and 604 mhps).  total bummer :(

I guess I'll try flashing them lower to see how they handle it.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 24, 2012, 02:35:16 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 24, 2012, 02:36:22 PM
Of course, I must add that Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.
Hahaha! So true.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Inaba on May 24, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
No, that honor should be left for Windows ME


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 03:08:23 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope still the same problem, I've tried the various compatibility modes as well, still no luck.  Also, tried it on a windowsXP VM i had here (VirtualBox) and get the samet thing!

No arguments from my side about window (especially vista) sucking, so that begs the question, where's the linux based firmware updater?? :) I don't want to use your easyminer software to mine, i just want to flash the singles then put them back on my Linux machines.

James


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 24, 2012, 03:11:01 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope still the same problem, I've tried the various compatibility modes as well, still no luck.  Also, tried it on a windowsXP VM i had here (VirtualBox) and get the samet thing!

No arguments from my side about window (especially vista) sucking, so that begs the question, where's the linux based firmware updater?? :) I don't want to use your easyminer software to mine, i just want to flash the singles then put them back on my Linux machines.

James


Is there any other COM devices or virtual COM devices connected to your computer?



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 03:13:52 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope still the same problem, I've tried the various compatibility modes as well, still no luck.  Also, tried it on a windowsXP VM i had here (VirtualBox) and get the samet thing!

No arguments from my side about window (especially vista) sucking, so that begs the question, where's the linux based firmware updater?? :) I don't want to use your easyminer software to mine, i just want to flash the singles then put them back on my Linux machines.

James


Is there any other COM devices or virtual COM devices connected to your computer?



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope, only the one listed in Device Manager

->Ports (COM & LPT)
  -> USB Serial Port (COM3)




Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 24, 2012, 03:16:22 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope still the same problem, I've tried the various compatibility modes as well, still no luck.  Also, tried it on a windowsXP VM i had here (VirtualBox) and get the samet thing!

No arguments from my side about window (especially vista) sucking, so that begs the question, where's the linux based firmware updater?? :) I don't want to use your easyminer software to mine, i just want to flash the singles then put them back on my Linux machines.

James


Is there any other COM devices or virtual COM devices connected to your computer?



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope, only the one listed in Device Manager

->Ports (COM & LPT)
  -> USB Serial Port (COM3)





I must say that this is very strange. Easyminer is compiled under XP with .NET version 2.0. It's the first instance of
such failure. We will investigate the issue and come back with some response. Has this computer ever been infected with
virus or trojans before?


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 03:22:49 PM
Hi, I have my BFL's up and running but wanted to flash them.. the only windows machine I have here is running VISTA (my normal mining is all on Linux), so i grabbed the EasyMiner_V_1.1_Beta to see if I could flash one with the higher firmware, but cant get it to run.... my device manager shows the one BFL Single i plugged in properly on COM3 (well COM3 appeared when i plug it in), but when I open EasyMiner, (the only option available is "administrative mode") and click "Proceed", I get the windows dialog "BitFORCE-Miner has stopped working  A problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows will close the program and notify you if a solution is available"

Any idea how to fix this?

James


Hello James,

One possibility is that windows is denying access to COM port. This can be resolved if you right-click on Easyminer
and click on 'Run as administrator'. Please run this test and let us know how it goes. Of course, I must add that
Windows Vista is probably the worst operating system ever developed since the Big Bang.

Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope still the same problem, I've tried the various compatibility modes as well, still no luck.  Also, tried it on a windowsXP VM i had here (VirtualBox) and get the samet thing!

No arguments from my side about window (especially vista) sucking, so that begs the question, where's the linux based firmware updater?? :) I don't want to use your easyminer software to mine, i just want to flash the singles then put them back on my Linux machines.

James


Is there any other COM devices or virtual COM devices connected to your computer?



Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Nope, only the one listed in Device Manager

->Ports (COM & LPT)
  -> USB Serial Port (COM3)





I must say that this is very strange. Easyminer is compiled under XP with .NET version 2.0. It's the first instance of
such failure. We will investigate the issue and come back with some response. Has this computer ever been infected with
virus or trojans before?


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

No its a fresh install -- i shrunk my linux partition, and setup a dualboot with the dell-provided windows vista CD, let it do all its windows updates, downloaded chrome, downloaded easyminer.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 24, 2012, 03:24:43 PM
No its a fresh install -- i shrunk my linux partition, and setup a dualboot with the dell-provided windows vista CD, let it do all its windows updates, downloaded chrome, downloaded easyminer.
If it's just a throwaway install that you will never use again, might as well go with Win7 30 day trial install.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Inaba on May 24, 2012, 03:30:36 PM
You probably need to install the FTDI driver if it's a fresh install.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 03:37:50 PM
You probably need to install the FTDI driver if it's a fresh install.

Nope it installed automatically when i plugged in the BFL Single.

Right click Com3->Properties->Driver
Driver Provider: FTDI
Driver Date: 4/10/2012
Driver Version: 2.8.24.0


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on May 24, 2012, 03:40:07 PM
You probably need to install the FTDI driver if it's a fresh install.

Nope it installed automatically when i plugged in the BFL Single.

Right click Com3->Properties->Driver
Driver Provider: FTDI
Driver Date: 4/10/2012
Driver Version: 2.8.24.0

Actually that reminds me - .Net is an optional feature in Vista that might need to be turned on. If you get Windows Updates and install .Net 4.0 Client Profile, it is backward compatible with apps compiled for .Net 2.0.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
You probably need to install the FTDI driver if it's a fresh install.

Nope it installed automatically when i plugged in the BFL Single.

Right click Com3->Properties->Driver
Driver Provider: FTDI
Driver Date: 4/10/2012
Driver Version: 2.8.24.0

Actually that reminds me - .Net is an optional feature in Vista that might need to be turned on. If you get Windows Updates and install .Net 4.0 Client Profile, it is backward compatible with apps compiled for .Net 2.0.

Downloading and installing.. taking forever.... will report back when it finishes.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: lightbox on May 24, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
You probably need to install the FTDI driver if it's a fresh install.

Nope it installed automatically when i plugged in the BFL Single.

Right click Com3->Properties->Driver
Driver Provider: FTDI
Driver Date: 4/10/2012
Driver Version: 2.8.24.0

Actually that reminds me - .Net is an optional feature in Vista that might need to be turned on. If you get Windows Updates and install .Net 4.0 Client Profile, it is backward compatible with apps compiled for .Net 2.0.

Downloading and installing.. taking forever.... will report back when it finishes.

Grr, installed, rebooted, computer wont even get to BIOS or GRUB now... :( gah! i gotta go do  "real work" now, have to attempt again tomorrow. thanks for all your help so far.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Phraust on May 24, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Well, I've reflashed the two "bad" singles down to 800, and they are keeping up for now (about 15 minutes in) at 800 mhps. :(


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: yjacket on May 25, 2012, 05:21:01 AM
I've also got the problem with the mining options being greyed out.

BFL: Do you have any guess as what the issue is? I have Windows 7 Home Premium.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: BFL-Engineer on May 25, 2012, 07:46:24 AM
I've also got the problem with the mining options being greyed out.

BFL: Do you have any guess as what the issue is? I have Windows 7 Home Premium.

Mining feature is still not present in Easyminer. We'll finilize it as soon as our schedule permits us
to do so.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: yjacket on May 25, 2012, 08:25:35 PM
I've also got the problem with the mining options being greyed out.

BFL: Do you have any guess as what the issue is? I have Windows 7 Home Premium.

Mining feature is still not present in Easyminer. We'll finilize it as soon as our schedule permits us
to do so.


Regards,
BF Labs Inc.

Ah ok, glad that it's not just me then.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: bitcoindaddy on June 01, 2012, 11:56:16 PM
Has anyone got EasyMiner to work on Windows 7 64-bit?  I've tried everything I can think of.
Is the "Load VCP" option supposed to be checked? Very annoying not to have a Linux version when most of the serious miners are using Linux.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on June 02, 2012, 12:55:30 AM
Has anyone got EasyMiner to work on Windows 7 64-bit?  I've tried everything I can think of.
EasyMiner needs the Microsoft .NET runtime in order to run; works with .NET 2.0, but might as well install the latest (.NET 4.0) and you should be good to go.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: rjk on June 02, 2012, 12:59:35 AM
Wonder if it would be possible to port to Mono and/or run in Wine.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: bitcoindaddy on June 02, 2012, 02:16:19 AM
EasyMiner needs the Microsoft .NET runtime in order to run; works with .NET 2.0, but might as well install the latest (.NET 4.0) and you should be good to go.


It loads fine, but doesn't recognize the BFL or the drivers aren't right. The BFL never shows up in the list.


Title: Re: BFL "EasyMiner" Released. Reviews?
Post by: Epoch on June 02, 2012, 04:39:46 AM
EasyMiner needs the Microsoft .NET runtime in order to run; works with .NET 2.0, but might as well install the latest (.NET 4.0) and you should be good to go.

It loads fine, but doesn't recognize the BFL or the drivers aren't right. The BFL never shows up in the list.

Sounds like you are missing the FTDI driver for the virtual COM port, and you don't have driver auto-download enabled in your Win7 installation.

Note that this driver is NOT packaged with Windows, but is downloaded automatically by Windows Update as soon as the device is detected. The problem is that, by default, new Windows installs do not have this feature enabled.

Unplug your Single, enable the driver auto-download feature in Windows, reboot, and plug the Single back in. Windows should then detect it and download the driver automatically from the Windows Update server.