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Hey Everyone!

I have sad news. I was scammed. And being naive and not knowing enough played a role at this. Also greed was in this.
There is a user named BobbyL and he also goes by Michail1. He was looking to buy a large quantity of XC. We talked and he agreed to buy everything I had because he was offering me 3.5BTC for 1500 XC. 1500XC was my total amount I had been saving since June. I've been buying a few here and there every week.

He setup a wallet on blockchain.info with a username and password with 3.5 BTC in it. When I logged into the wallet to check, I saw the BTC. I didn't get the private key to transfer funds out. He told me to send him the XC and I will get the private key. Well, I sent the XC, but he never sent anything and changed the password very quickly. This person wont return my emails. His email is passat.ltc@gmail.com - He goes by Michail Hoffman.

I lost my life savings. 4 months of saving XC and it's all gone due to greed for some quick turn around cash. I feel bad. If anyone knows how to get my XC back, please help.

You can't fix stupid.

3.5 btc is your life's savings?

And you should post in the scam accusation board. You will probably get some help with legal advice (you've got the dude's name), and maybe connect with others he might have scammed. As for the XC, I don't know much about it. But I'd bet it's a non-reversible transaction.

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When you are using something that is 100% of possession determines ownership, you cannot at this point in time, especially with someone with no feedback or history of being honest and legit, without the use of escrow, you lose allllllllll leverage in creating a fair deal.


Now you have no recourse, no one to turn to, no one to help you.... You messed up. How old are you... if you not 45 and older, its hardly your "life savings." But rather an expensive lesson in life. EVERYONE pays their tuition in some form.

I once paid a .1btc fee. OUCH..

I learned a lesson = Greed hurts. If it's too good to be true, it is.
And when you make just above minimum wage, 3.5BTC is a lot of money. (After rent, utilities, food , insurance and 2 kids - it hurts to lose 3.5 BTC).

well ... you learn like this or like that.
http://www.rwjf.org/content/rwjf/en/blogs/new-public-health/2013/12/outbreak_responsedr/_jcr_content/par/image_4.no.size.img.gif/1387478675321.gif

what is xc?
i'm assuming it's worthless?

Then why not buy BTC straight from coinbase or local btc?

Next time when you WANT BITCOIN... BUY BITCOIN....

wow, you are incredibly stupid. I can't believe you would fall for something like that. Escrow or gtfo

Sorry to hear.

But as you state that you lost your life savings........ It makes me think why on earth did you buy in with all that money??

Never invest more than you can afford to lose, this is a very expensive lesson for you.

Never trust people online that want something from you, don't let this happen again.

Not sure if trolling or incredibly naive? Are you younger than 18? Most people don't make these types of mistakes. I always liken everything to trading someone in an online game. If someone said to you hey I will pay you $1,000 worth of gold coins from whatever game you play, but you trade me your item first and accept nothing, then i will give you the $1,000 worth of gold, would you do it then? Nope. So why would you do it here?

I am puzzled... ???

"sr member"



is this real life?




are you trolling or just stupid?

Dude is only 4 months old give him a break.

Been saving since June...it's his life savings.

Very rough crowd. I'm sorry if I made a mistake, but I don't want this to happen to anyone else from this person. Yes this is my life savings. When you make just over minimum wage and have 2 kids, then life is tough. I'm also working on bettering myself, but school loans don't help.

Again, I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my stupidity, but greed got the better of me. I had 1500 XC Coins worth about $700 in todays market. I was offered 3.5BTC, I thought I could sell the coins, buy back the XC and then have some money left over for a better christmas holiday for the kids.

Remember, not everyone is lucky enough to be super smart or savvy. I try my best.

Thank you. I won't add to this post anymore.

my point is this is probably a trolling thread trying to gain awareness for this xc
as this is the bitcoin section

I had never heard of this alt, no, there are hundreds, after having to waste a few seconds of my life checking as no-one provided link, i see it was launched 5 months ago

yawn, next

You learnt a costly lesson.

The other day I was trying to buy some Bitcoins through Localbitcoins, and the seller tried to offer me a discount if I send him directly. Of course I declined and then he suddenly stopped messaging.

The world is full of scammers. No excuses to your plight, you should know better.

Sounds like they used a 3.5 BTC watch address on the Blockchain.info wallet!

Next time use an escrow service. I am very sorry for your loss but everyone learns this lesson at least once.

I have no idea whats XC is either. I assumed some useless coin which, as usual, will go nowhere.

It might surprise you that everybody is not following all the coins you like.

Well, i hope that you have learned your lesson. Isn't it quite obvious that he was scamming you?

Next time use an escrow service. I am very sorry for your loss but everyone learns this lesson at least once.

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I am soooo sorry to hear this =\

Earlier `Michail1 tried to scam me in #bitcoin-otc , but I know Michail1 kind of personally, and I know he would *never* pay bitstamp prices (or above bitstamp).

`Michail1 (NOT to be confused with Michail1 ... notice the ` tick symbol) is the actual name of the scammer. I told him that he *must* use my service to purchase BTC from me, and he refused to make a cash deposit first. Simply put: everyone should receive cash deposit first ... it will be *very* hard for them to reverse this, and if you are legitimate and someone scams you into depositing money into their account, filing a police report in the USA is relatively easy.

Very sorry to hear that you were totally scammed, but I tell ya what man, I'd like to offer you some relief. If you're in the USA, PM me with your phone number, and *any* Bitcoin you buy from https://wallofcoins.com (my service), I will have the team credit you an additional 10% in Bitcoin for your first order. (Maximum of an additional 0.1 BTC, and must be purchased no later than Friday end of business day ... sorry, I gotta max somewhere).

I know it's not much, but I know it will help. I truly believe that you got scammed by this individual today because of his serious (and unsuccessful) attempts to scam myself and other friends on OTC today =\
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edit: I decided to be clearer on this and to sign the message.

You are probably a younger person and it sucks to lose money, especially when you get scammed. Im probably much older than you and I've learned a few lessons in life. Ive been scammed before, but ive always kept my losses to what I could make a come back from if it did turn out to be a scam. Learn from this and next time use escrow or purchase things in baby steps.

Its part of life. Happens to almost everyone.Let it be a lesson for next time and move on. I doubt, you have any other option.

I was just informed of this thread.

First, I don't trade in ANY alt coin. EVER.  Never even heard of XF.
I have never spoken to you.

I am VERY easy to find.  I only have ONE user name.  Just google my name (first name is enough) and/or my user name.

Since you're easy to post names of people without showing any proof, then it's your own fault for not at least checking the identify of the person you were scammed by.

MANY people know who I am.  I use my real name, my accounts on ALL forums, email addresses, and domains all have my REAL information with my real address, etc.

I am Michail1
I use Michail1@aol.com
I have Michail1.com, 1michail1.com, michail.com
I always log in from TWO ip addresses (home and work).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=31539

Do you know who I am or who BobbyL is?   Heh.   I would bet a large sum of bitcoin that you are not being honest with the names you are using.
Take note that Michail1 is not the same as 'Michail1 or MichalL1 or Michael1, etc.   B0bby1 is diff than BobbyL or `BobbyL , etc.

Please post your logs of the scam you claim to have been hit by.  Make it public.  But, be careful whom you blame.

Hell, you may even be able to get the forum OP to see who you were talking to, but it would be easier if you simply check your own messages.  Again, I don't trade anything other than BTC and I don't do it in the forums.  I only buy Casascius coins within this forum.

Correction.   I didn't know what XC is/was.

PS.  BobbyL isn't even an account on bitcointalk.  I would guess it would be short for Bobby Lee (inventor of LTC) whom I also highly doubt would be interested in your 3.5 worth of XC.  

Just did a google search on the email address you came up with which leads to a classified ad to:
http://www.bitcoinclassifieds.net/ad/7640_582_btc_for_change/

"Greetings to all traders, I have 528 BTC, I want to replace my btc for other currencies, an advantage LTC, NMC, PPC, XPM, FTC, I hope you will contact me for good rate , this is just the beginning :) thanks you can email me passat.ltc@gmail.com http://imgur.com/pJVs0fH"

Note 582 vs 528.

The ad is more than 30 days old.  Nice 'picture' of a wallet with plenty of coin going in it.   Additional checking shows that the actual (valid) address in the picture NEVER had 528 coin, let alone 582, in it.  So, even the picture of the address is fake and over 5 months old.

Speaking of 'pictures'..... If I post a picture of Bill Gates, would you believe I am Mr. Gates himself.  I mean, if someone tells you they are me, why would you believe them.  I am still interested in how you contacted the scammer in the first place.  What on Earth made you believe it was me without the slightest in checking?

The only real 'Michail Hoffman' I could find died in 1862, although there is another from New York with a youtube video.

I have never had a bitcoinclassified account until I just created it because of this scam....
http://www.bitcoinclassifieds.net/ad/8295_BTC_Scammers/

I just got this message from akula999


You're welcome to keep this public.  I would prefer it.  Why don't you post the logs publicly?
At this point, I just think you're trying to get free BTC / XF without any kind of proof of being scammed at all (especially by me or the inventor or LTC).

You're only kidding yourself with your web of lies.

So, you have nothing to offer as any proof?
No signed contract, no logs, no nothing?   I mean really, simply nothing but a fake name?   No links or anything?

You also mentioned you have friends looking into it.  Great, please post any information you have.  Of course, anything made up would be worthless.
You haven't even replied to any of my questions for comments, logs, IPs, or anything.

I've already sent the entire email correspondence over gmail, the forum chat log and the forum messages over to the exchanges for support. I'm not showing you anything you already know.
I'm no longer talking to you.

 :o the plot thickens

Uhhh, you never talked to me other than the SINGLE message I quoted in this thread.   PLEASE post a single chat log message from me.  Please, just a single verifiable one.

Also, I don't have gmail.
My email addresses are:  Michail1@aol.com (as stated) and Michail@Michail.com

akula999 if you really did get scammed, where were you scammed from? Earlier today (same day you got scammed) someone posing as Michail1 (but named `Michail1) tried to get me to send them coin over #bitcoin-otc on freenode. Here's the conversation, unedited, and if you can view freenode logs...well, i don't know of PMs are publicly available :) I was signed in NickServ under the name "Genitrust". Personal names were changed to protect identity :) Not much.

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<`Michail1> hello
<`Michail1> how many you got for sale?
<Genitrust> heyyy
<Genitrust> like 40 BTC
<Genitrust> below or at stamp
<`Michail1> via what method?
<`Michail1> i'm buying a bunch today, so maybe I can get them off you
<`Michail1> that ok with you?
<Genitrust> cash deposit
<Genitrust> this is what we got: https://wallofcoins.com/api/public/v1/orderBook
<`Michail1> alright that works, for what bank?
<Genitrust> that order book lists the banks and prices for everything
<Genitrust> it's those raw prices, no fee
<`Michail1> ok cool
<`Michail1> what bank would you prefer we use though?
<Genitrust> wallofcoins.com ... go there and click BUY
<Genitrust> there's Wells Fargo, BofA, and Chase (business account, so it can accept deposits)
<`Michail1> alright, well BoA is closer then the rest.. so we can use that then
<`Michail1> I'm going to want to buy around 15 right now
<`Michail1> 15-20
<Genitrust> aight man, get in that BUY order on wall of coins *asap*, gotta ton of people hittin wallofcoins up right now since we been promoting lower than bitstamp prices @.@
<`Michail1> would prefer if we just traded here
<`Michail1> not familiar with what you're asking me to do
<`Michail1> ill need ur BoA information
<`Michail1> along with total price for 20 btc
<Genitrust> ya sorry man, i do everything through our service WallofCoins.com now
<`Michail1> ur service
<`Michail1> we did a dwolla trade last time
<Genitrust> maybe next time? we got people putting up orders to buy as we speak
<`Michail1> I mean
<`Michail1> can we just do a small trade via irc instead?
<`Michail1> and save the large trades for your website later on?
<`Michail1> maybe 5-10 btc ?
<Genitrust> i would but i can't =\ i could do it with my personal coins but i'm holding onto those babies hehe ;x
<Genitrust> these coins belong to other people (we have the coins to release)
<`Michail1> well want to just do a good rate on your coins
<Genitrust> and the company coins ... well, let me call Alex and see if he'll agree to do it
<`Michail1> ill pay good rate
<`Michail1> alright
<`Michail1> could just raise the price a little bit on your coins


Ok THIS is a red flag. Who wants to pay more for coins that they can get for less? No one does. Even if he was legit and just did not trust the website, he would not offer to pay higher. Unless he wants to excite someone else's greed...

<`Michail1> instead of holding onto them
<Genitrust> can you log in and auth as Michael1 ?
<Genitrust> :)
<`Michail1> yeah im him
<Genitrust> aight i'll see when ya log in and auth
<Genitrust> i mean, it does sound like it's you, given my name differences and our history
<Genitrust> but ya, i have your phone number too from back in the day, maybe i can call ya real quick to verify it's you?
<`Michail1> o kdone
<`Michail1> ok done
<`Michail1> Currently authenticated from michail@michail.com. Trust relationship from user Michail1 to user Michail1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Michail1&dest=Michail1 WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Michail1 Rated since: Sat May 26 17:25:02 2013
<`Michail1> Nick '`Michail1', with hostmask 'michail@michail.com', is identified as user Michail1, with GPG key id 020DBE2CC103BB05 , key fingerprint CCF673907C5AB709BACE197D020DBE2CC103BB05 , and bitcoin address 1H7DoMXtwzhJDbm5wp1rWZoorGtcPYei75
<Genitrust> ok cool


At this point I'm contacting Michail1.

<`Michail1> yep
<`Michail1> so are you going to want to sell your personal coins for a higher rate?
<Genitrust> nah
<Genitrust> my personal coins are there for a reason.
<`Michail1> ok that's fine
<Genitrust> thanks tho man, i'll def hit ya up in the future. but you can quickly get coins from WallofCoins.com
<`Michail1> well then I guess you'll need to figure out if you're able to sell the other coins outside of that wbsite
<`Michail1> cant you sell a small amount outside of the website?
<`Michail1> and well save the larger trades for your website later on
<`Michail1> for a later date


Yup...manipulative at this point.

<Genitrust> i can't for the company
<Genitrust> our coins are on WallofCoins.com for a reason: to sell through WallofCoins
<Genitrust> it's not hard, so ya, there are coins for under stamp for you there
<Genitrust> it's a win-win
<`Michail1> website wants to track my location?
<Genitrust> no need,
<Genitrust> click "next"
<Genitrust> and when it asks for zip code, click next
<Genitrust> and it will bring you to the bank list. select the bank you want to buy coins from.
<`Michail1> alright
<`Michail1> so ill be receiving my btc before I pay, correct?/


WHAT?!?!?! Never do BTC first. Never.

<`Michail1> or is there a certain amount I need to want to do that?
<`Michail1> lol.. While $6818 is not available
<`Michail1> what does this mean?
<Genitrust> heya sorry, calls
<Genitrust> no, you absolutely pay first.
<`Michail1> lol
<`Michail1> i pay first to a website that's trying to track my location, and i've never heard of or used before
<`Michail1> i've only done one small dwolla trade with you


This information is publicly available on OTC.

<`Michail1> and you sent first that time
<Genitrust> hey no need
<Genitrust> https://wallofcoins.com/api/public/v1/transactions
<Genitrust> we just processed a transaction
<`Michail1> ill buy ur personal
<`Michail1> at 400$ usd


And to top it off: I already told him I wasn't selling my personal coins. 400$ USD is about 20% higher...he's just trying to play on my greed and scam me. That's how scammers are.

<Genitrust> we have SSL, we're verified, our company is in the better business burea...
<`Michail1> 10 of them
<Genitrust> there's *no* reason not to trust us, other than you're trying to impersonate Michael1 and you're a scammer
<Genitrust> i'm talking with him now :P
<`Michail1> lol
<`Michail1> cool
<Genitrust> there's no "lol" about business man.
<Genitrust> you want coins? our system works and is highly trusted.
<Genitrust> it's that simple.
<Genitrust> OH! you got LIT UP CUZ!

This is not how to transact with bitcoin. If you are going to receive bitcoin then you give the other person your address to send the funds to and then they send you the funds. If anyone ever offers to setup a blockchain.info wallet with a certain amount of bitcoin in it then it is 100% automatically  a scam. All they have to do is find an address with 3.5 btc in it, import the address as a watch only address then claim to have 3.5 btc. Also without the private key you have no way of spending the money even if they do actually have access to the bitcoin in question.

OP you got scammed by someone posing as Michail1...not the real Michail1. Learn from this and do not let it happen again. I can assure you Michail1 does not hide his identity and would never scam...

Sorry for you loss  :-[

I often trade here and OTC...look at what happens ->  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=335426 (a fake me trying to scam one of my auctions)

Scammers here are shameless....they make names all the time that are similar to scam.

yep. how did he not notice the backtick in the username? i think there is more to this story than the OP claims. it may be a reverse type of scam where the OP is attempting to get money out of the real Michail

You're being paranoid. Why would he want to promote xc this way? Besides xc IS worthless.

I'm confused by this part of your post, are you saying the "scammer" somehow verified they were Michail1 by logging into your site? Have to say that Michail came across extremely defensive, like, more than necessary when this was posted. Remember zolace turned from a trusted character into a scammer because he got greedy one day.

No.  What he is showing is that the scammer 'told' him that he was verified as me.   It would be like me taking a photo of Bill Gates from the internet and showing it to you and saying.... See, I am Bill Gates.
The verifying BOT on Freenode didn't tell him that the scammer was verified.  He simply checked my verification string and pasted it to him in a message.    Just because you have a signature line in an email saying your name is Bob, doesn't mean you are really Bob.

Let's not blame the victim here. I've been scammed and yes it's a very hard lesson in life to learn. All of us learn harsh lessons in life one way or another. Be glad you didn't lose thousands of dollar but by your posting the money you lost is probably all the money in the world to you.

I don't have a lot but I want to help. PM me, i'll send you a little something  ;D

Everyone, be patient and be kind. Let's keep this community positive. We all have been scammed or hurt in the past. Let's not blame the victim. Things like this happen. Let's help this person out. Instead of belittling this person and telling him how stupid/young/whatever he is, let's chip in. This is a community. Let's act like a community. I'm not rich, but if I send him .1 BTC, then I've made a difference and I think it can certainly help him out. I think you all should follow my advise and spread goodness.

Remember, we were all "Noobs" once :)

I sent a PM and I want to publicly thank you!!

As Michail1 has stated, the scammer was hoping that I wouldn't check the auth/identify service myself, so he was pasting his own modified version.

bitcoinevent - thank you for effort to keep things positive :)

akula999 - my offer still remains, and I also have a modification: buy exactly $5 worth of Bitcoin from https://wallofcoins.com , and our team will credit you an additional 10,000 bits (0.01 BTC). It's also not much, but it is some form of relief that I'd like to help you with. However, you'll have to PM me to at least tell me the receiving Bitcoin address for this.

Its not the guy that is posting here. the scammer has a ' in front of his name.. so, while it looks close to the real one, its not.. Send the  message to the real scammer, I've heard this has happened on another thread as well. someone pointed the difference out to me, and i thought of this thread, looks like the same person..

Since this was brought up.....
You can find user accounts that scammers have made to simulate nicks by clicking on MEMBERS, then search for members.  Simply searching for  `  (backtick) will show over 100 nicks.
Well known people like TomatoCage has several scammer nicks created to simulate him.
I searched for Blazedout to find not only   Blazedout419` (backtick at the end), but also Blazedout4I9  (1 replaced with a I)
Hell, even Theymos has several scammer nicks associated.   o replaced with 0.    Some with ` at the beginning and some at the end or a spacebar then backtick at the end.

TitanBTC (The coin mint has a scammer impersonating him as well (account created only just over 2 weeks ago)  != TitanBTC `   (space backtick)
The tactic is that he may post a sale item.  Someone shows interest via the thread, and the scammer uses the similar nick (backticks or transposed letters) to send a message to the interested party directly in hopes to scam him without the real seller ever knowing.

Looks like the scammer created  michail  on 4/13/2014.  This ties in with the bitcoinclassifieds.net ad as well.
And, I contacted bitcoinclassifieds.net regarding the scam, and they have shut down the account using my name as of yesterday.

Lastly, although I didn't want to confuse the matter more, we are talking about two different scammers.
This all started with the scammer known as the Siberian.  Broken English / poor grammar.  The ad was showing from Luxemburg whereas I am in Seattle.
The second scammer is well known on IRC scamming people by using proxies and setting his nick to trusted accounts.  He has better English, but not by much.  He doesn't use proper grammar.  Never capitalizes his sentences.  Uses short wording like; ur instead of you're, ill instead of I'll, and well instead of we'll.   He has been careful not to use his real IP; however, he has clicked a few links put up by people to track his location and if anyone knows how/what to do with an IP (since it has been the same in the 3 times I was informed), I would be happy to talk to you about it.   Law enforcement maybe?  (Long list of nicks used)

OP - You said you sent the information on to an exchange.  I am guessing to where you sent the coins.  I truely hope you get your XF back, although I don't think they would spend much time on it.

I have spent enough time on this thread.  Good luck.

So someone offered you double of what your XC coins were worth and you didn't question it? Son next time ask people on the forum if the deal is legit. Most will tell you it's a scam.

A conspiracy! This should be fun.

OP is relying on name provided by a scammer. That makes so much sense ::)

No 45 is a long and informative post.

I feel the pain for you OP, hope you will regroup soon.

Definitely a life lesson. There are low life scam artists everywhere. They sit and prey. They can't make it in real life so they take advantage of others.

The real Michail is as solid as they come in the crypto world, and easily in my list of top trustworthy people. Sorry you were scammed, OP.

This guy just contacted me on irc.

Tried to sell me 2.35 btc for 200 ltc.

What is/was his nick and IP address.

My nick is ALWAYS   Michail1  (no dashes, backticks, etc).
And, my IP address is ALWAYS Michail.com (using a bouncer).   Any other IP address is not me.

And, out of curiosity, what is your nick?   and/or What channel?

As stated before, I only deal with BTC.   So, once you said LTC, you are sure that you are not talking to me.

Just out of curiosity, why do you have 2 websites with 2 different girl pics from fiverr?

Sort to hear. I have seen that address somewhere recently so thank you for sharing the name and email with everyone.

Actually,

I have hundreds of domains.

Never knew what to put on MY domain, and while watching Tosh.0 one day, he was advertising fiverr.com    He said, why not spend $50 to $100 on these people in need of money.   Since I had no idea what to put up on my site, I decided to put on the pictures.  So, I picked 15 people.  10 responded.

Both of the websites you are talking about are identical.  In fact, they come from the same folder.  The pictures rotate between images sent by the 10 people.  Just refresh the page.

Send me a picture of you in the same fasion, and I will add it.

Best advice ever. Never trust somebody that you don't know.

4 months old and wife and kids??? Cool :D