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Title: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 05:55:42 AM
It seems that people use these "subscribe" one-liners rather than click notify because threads flagged via the latter mechanism don't show up under "Show new replies to your post."

There should be a rather simple solution to this: Simply that threads marked as 'notify' begin showing up under 'show new replies' as well. (the label for which could then be changed to the more inclusive "Show notified posts.")
  



Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: payb.tc on May 15, 2012, 05:59:45 AM
It seems that people use these "subscribe" one-liners rather than click notify because threads flagged via the latter mechanism don't show up under "Show new replies to your post."

There should be a rather simple solution to this: Simply that threads marked as 'notify' begin showing up under 'show new replies' as well. (the label for which could then be changed to the more inclusive "Show notified posts.")
 



but notify also send you emails.

writing 'subbed' doesn't subscribe you to emails.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 06:14:01 AM


but notify also send you emails.

writing 'subbed' doesn't subscribe you to emails.


The latter is an option. Just tweak your userprefs if you desire that.




Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 06:15:16 AM
subbed

 ;)


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: Stephen Gornick on May 15, 2012, 06:15:30 AM
Ya, since work has not yet begun on this forum software's successor,  I too would like to see a couple of the most painful issues resolved in the software currently used.

 - http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50617.0


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: SgtSpike on May 15, 2012, 06:20:07 AM
Subbed.

Also, is it REALLY that hard to scroll past the "Subbed" comments?  It takes a fraction of a second, really...


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 06:23:58 AM

Also, is it REALLY that hard to scroll past the "Subbed" comments?  It takes a fraction of a second, really...

The 'sub' band-aid doesn't scale. The forum is growing.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: SgtSpike on May 15, 2012, 06:26:39 AM

Also, is it REALLY that hard to scroll past the "Subbed" comments?  It takes a fraction of a second, really...

The 'sub' band-aid doesn't scale. The forum is growing.

Ok, I agree.  It would be nice to be able to subscribe to threads without writing in them.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: SolarSilver on May 15, 2012, 07:03:33 AM
Also, is it REALLY that hard to scroll past the "Subbed" comments?  It takes a fraction of a second, really...

As somebody who reads the forum using the RSS feed, it's really annoying to see a notification there are new messages and a bunch of them are "I'm too lazy to press the notify button"

I consider those messages polution that makes the forum less readable


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: payb.tc on May 15, 2012, 10:12:58 AM


but notify also send you emails.

writing 'subbed' doesn't subscribe you to emails.


The latter is an option. Just tweak your userprefs if you desire that.




i'm skeptical... can you tell me which checkbox exactly achieves this?


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: Blazr on May 15, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
Sub.



















:P

This is something we need. It should only take a few minutes to make "notified" threads appear in "Show new replies to your posts"


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 03:19:18 PM


i'm skeptical... can you tell me which checkbox exactly achieves this?

"Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic."


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: theymos on May 15, 2012, 03:23:05 PM
Those are annoying. I've looked into creating a "watchlist" feature in SMF, but it seems very difficult (which is probably why there are no modifications that do that already).


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
Those are annoying. I've looked into creating a "watchlist" feature in SMF, but it seems very difficult (which is probably why there are no modifications that do that already).

Theymos, OTOH, to quote Blazr, "It should only take a few minutes to make "notified" threads appear in "Show new replies to your posts""


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: theymos on May 15, 2012, 03:45:43 PM
Theymos, OTOH, to quote Blazr, "It should only take a few minutes to make "notified" threads appear in "Show new replies to your posts""

He's welcome to write the code, then.

You also need to be able to remove topics from unreadreplies for it to be usable as a watchlist.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: payb.tc on May 15, 2012, 09:22:33 PM


i'm skeptical... can you tell me which checkbox exactly achieves this?

"Turn notification on when you post or reply to a topic."

nope, that does not help you subscribe without posting 'subbed'.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 09:31:29 PM


nope, that does not help you subscribe without posting 'subbed'.


You had said: "writing 'subbed' doesn't subscribe you to emails."
I said, But it can, if you tweak your options.

That is, after that, writing sub *does* subscribe you to emails.

In case we are confused, let's repeat: "Posting sub subscribes you to emails, and I showed you how."

So, I don't understand your new objection: "that does not help you subscribe without posting 'subbed'."


 ;)


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: payb.tc on May 15, 2012, 09:39:02 PM


nope, that does not help you subscribe without posting 'subbed'.


You had said: "writing 'subbed' doesn't subscribe you to emails."
I said, But it can, if you tweak your options.

That is, after that, writing sub *does* subscribe you to emails.

In case we are confused, let's repeat: "Posting sub subscribes you to emails, and I showed you how."

So, I don't understand your new objection: "that does not help you subscribe without posting 'subbed'."


 ;)

okay mis-understanding... what people posting 'subbed' really want to achieve, is being notified of new replies without getting emails.

you can't do that any other way.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: deego on May 15, 2012, 09:50:43 PM
what people posting 'subbed' really want to achieve, is being notified of new replies without getting emails.

you can't do that any other way.


Ah, got you. True. :/


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: bitfoo on May 16, 2012, 05:36:21 AM
What people could do is click notify, and then filter out all the email notifications to /dev/null.

Maybe I misunderstood, I guess "notify" still doesn't get the topic to show up on the watch-list?


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: Kluge on May 16, 2012, 05:39:15 AM
What people could do is click notify, and then filter out all the email notifications to /dev/null.

Maybe I misunderstood, I guess "notify" still doesn't get the topic to show up on the watch-list?
Right - it just spams your email account.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: Garr255 on May 16, 2012, 06:28:59 AM
subbed


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: BadBear on May 16, 2012, 03:46:52 PM
Yeah notifications are worthless, I'm not gonna check my email to see if there are replies to threads I like to read. Needs to be a subscribe button next to the notify button, that will add it to a watchlist below the other two.


Title: Re: Eliminating the "one-line subscribe" posts.
Post by: elux on May 16, 2012, 05:55:57 PM
+1

This. ^^


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: Inaba on May 16, 2012, 06:00:51 PM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?  It's been months since the project was "started" and there's been no movement.  It will be years more before there is anything even vaguely usable, if ever... so in the interim, I propose moving to modern, secure (at least more secure, anyway), feature rich forum software. 

You can take your pick, since literally any forum software is an improvement over SMF.



Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: SgtSpike on May 16, 2012, 06:07:29 PM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?  It's been months since the project was "started" and there's been no movement.  It will be years more before there is anything even vaguely usable, if ever... so in the interim, I propose moving to modern, secure (at least more secure, anyway), feature rich forum software. 

You can take your pick, since literally any forum software is an improvement over SMF.
Now THERE'S something to +1!

My personal recommendation is xenForo, but I'm partial to modern-looking websites.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: elux on May 16, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?

The specification in "Looking for someone to create/modify software for this forum [2200+ BTC]" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50617.0) could use a rewrite,
with the words "shall", "will", and "must" used more sparingly. Make the $10000 bounty known outside this forum. HN? /r/programming?





Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: lulzplzkthx on May 17, 2012, 02:23:09 AM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?  It's been months since the project was "started" and there's been no movement.  It will be years more before there is anything even vaguely usable, if ever... so in the interim, I propose moving to modern, secure (at least more secure, anyway), feature rich forum software. 

You can take your pick, since literally any forum software is an improvement over SMF.
Now THERE'S something to +1!

My personal recommendation is xenForo, but I'm partial to modern-looking websites.

I was just going to suggest xenForo. It's a terrific forum software.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: rjk on May 17, 2012, 02:29:47 AM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?  It's been months since the project was "started" and there's been no movement.  It will be years more before there is anything even vaguely usable, if ever... so in the interim, I propose moving to modern, secure (at least more secure, anyway), feature rich forum software. 

You can take your pick, since literally any forum software is an improvement over SMF.
Now THERE'S something to +1!

My personal recommendation is xenForo, but I'm partial to modern-looking websites.

I was just going to suggest xenForo. It's a terrific forum software.
Could you give an example of an existing forum that uses it so that I can go check it out?


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: SgtSpike on May 17, 2012, 06:41:38 AM
Since the new forum software will never actually get written (or be usable if someone attempts it) can we please get some real forum software working for this place until this hypothetical software is written?  It's been months since the project was "started" and there's been no movement.  It will be years more before there is anything even vaguely usable, if ever... so in the interim, I propose moving to modern, secure (at least more secure, anyway), feature rich forum software. 

You can take your pick, since literally any forum software is an improvement over SMF.
Now THERE'S something to +1!

My personal recommendation is xenForo, but I'm partial to modern-looking websites.

I was just going to suggest xenForo. It's a terrific forum software.
Could you give an example of an existing forum that uses it so that I can go check it out?
www.minecraftcc.com
bitcoinforums.net (though it is currently down while the new site owner works things out on his end)
Or, just www.xenforo.com itself.  You can even get a 3-day "demo" forum setup with one click to give it a try, including all administrative functionality.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: rjk on May 17, 2012, 01:33:20 PM
Could you give an example of an existing forum that uses it so that I can go check it out?
www.minecraftcc.com
bitcoinforums.net (though it is currently down while the new site owner works things out on his end)
Or, just www.xenforo.com itself.  You can even get a 3-day "demo" forum setup with one click to give it a try, including all administrative functionality.
I went and had a look at xenForo's own forums, and after a bit of navigation I came to the conclusion that it is a bit.... busy, really. There is some neat functionality, but I guess I'm used to SMF and its stripped-down nature.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: lulzplzkthx on May 17, 2012, 06:13:21 PM
The stripped-down nature is a bit of the problem. But aye, like SgtSpike, I really prefer modern sites, and despise SMF for this reason.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: FreeMoney on May 29, 2012, 06:40:58 PM
Suggestion. As a compromise between contributing and writing 'sub', write one word about how you feel about the thread. Interested, concerned, afraid, excited, happy, rockhard, flaccid, etc.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: theymos on May 29, 2012, 07:54:24 PM
Suggestion. As a compromise between contributing and writing 'sub', write one word about how you feel about the thread. Interested, concerned, afraid, excited, happy, rockhard, flaccid, etc.

I'd prefer just "sub", actually. These posts are easier to ignore.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: FreeMoney on May 29, 2012, 08:24:18 PM
Suggestion. As a compromise between contributing and writing 'sub', write one word about how you feel about the thread. Interested, concerned, afraid, excited, happy, rockhard, flaccid, etc.

I'd prefer just "sub", actually. These posts are easier to ignore.

Hmm, ok, I was looking forward to writing "flaccid" and "rockhard" but I'll refrain.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: jamesg on May 30, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=350

Maybe this link will help things along...


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: rjk on May 30, 2012, 05:57:15 PM
http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=350

Maybe this link will help things along...
I seem to recall theymos stating that he has investigated numerous plugins that didn't meet the technical or security requirements, and since this one was written in 2006 I'm guessing it has been seen. But if it works, lets use it!


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: deepceleron on May 30, 2012, 09:34:37 PM
Ignore


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: ludo0777 on June 09, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
Are people really that lazy? They can't be bothered to change their notification settings so they just post "subscribed" everywhere. It does get kinda annoying...  :-\


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: Raoul Duke on June 09, 2012, 04:01:08 PM
Are people really that lazy? They can't be bothered to change their notification settings so they just post "subscribed" everywhere. It does get kinda annoying...  :-\

You are new here.. yet have posted 10 message in meta alone in the last hour :/


What is going on?

Was asking myself the exact same question.
Post count raise probably is the answer.
19 posts since this morning, most of them just fluff lol

EDIT: Found the answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86513.msg951345#msg951345
oh, mega LOL


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: ludo0777 on June 09, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
Are people really that lazy? They can't be bothered to change their notification settings so they just post "subscribed" everywhere. It does get kinda annoying...  :-\

You are new here.. yet have posted 10 message in meta alone in the last hour :/


What is going on?

Was asking myself the exact same question.
Post count raise probably is the answer.
19 posts since this morning, most of them just fluff lol

EDIT: Found the answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86513.msg951345#msg951345
oh, mega LOL

Lol what is wrong with posting? I am always active in forums.


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: ludo0777 on June 09, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
Are people really that lazy? They can't be bothered to change their notification settings so they just post "subscribed" everywhere. It does get kinda annoying...  :-\

You are new here.. yet have posted 10 message in meta alone in the last hour :/


What is going on?



Was asking myself the exact same question.
Post count raise probably is the answer.
19 posts since this morning, most of them just fluff lol

EDIT: Found the answer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86513.msg951345#msg951345
oh, mega LOL

Lol what is wrong with posting? I am always active in forums.

If you are on topic (and we are not!!!) and not scamming then there is nothing wrong at all.

Well then good. What do you think about one line subscribe posts?


Title: Re: Eliminating the one-line "subscribe" posts.
Post by: BadBear on June 09, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
Are people really that lazy? They can't be bothered to change their notification settings so they just post "subscribed" everywhere. It does get kinda annoying...  :-\

You missed the entire point, there is no "setting" to change to accomplish the same thing that posting in a thread does. They want it to be added to a watchlist like "Show new replies to your posts (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unreadreplies)", notifications only send you emails which is largely useless.

This has been covered a couple times in this thread already, but guess you're too busy posting in threads to read them.

Even says it in the OP
Quote
It seems that people use these "subscribe" one-liners rather than click notify because threads flagged via the latter mechanism don't show up under "Show new replies to your post."