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This post has been prepared, and is being updated, collaboratively by the members of the La’Zooz community in order to update all interested parties and individuals about the “Whats and Hows” in La’Zooz community, product and project. Although the members of the community are doing their best to make this post accurate and complete, there can be no assurances in this regard.La’Zooz Mine The Gap LTD, a registered company in Israel,which acts as the formal representative of the community, is not taking any part in this post.

The La’Zooz community is excited to share with you this first update before the launch of the Zooz token sale
 and the issuance of Zooz tokens. More updates will follow soon with more details.
We welcome and encourage a positive discussion.
                                          
Introduction
Transportation is one of the basic needs of society which hasn't been disrupted yet by the Internet evolution. It is still a wasteful,
time consuming, and unsustainable system to say the least.

La'Zooz is prepared to accomplish what is necessary to resolve this situation, namely through building a worldwide,
‘Collaborative Transportation Web.' Our vision is that this decentralized network will demonstrate the boundless possibilities that lie
where a community and a cryptographic token meet to answer a real life need. This represents the beginning of a genuine
decentralized transportation network which is managed and maintained by its community and user base.

We are putting our vision to the test by creating a Real-Time Ride-Sharing service. With RTRS,
users share only the costs of a ride a driver is taking anyway in their direction. RTRS is thus a “non-commercial”
service with minimal  ride rates and maximum efficiency. The service is opened to a large community of users,
larger than among other transportation solutions. La’Zooz aims to dramatically reduce congestion and parking scarcity related issues,
with a relatively small percentage of adoption, while rewarding its early users, developers and backers.


Strategy
Bottom Up - Gamification
La`Zooz is the only ridesharing application that incentivizes users to download and use the application before the actual
ridesharing service is running. It builds the network before the service and rewards early adopters with Zooz tokens, that will be used
to pay for the rides later on.
The La’Zooz community aims to develop its current mining app into a location based game that will derive the critical mass of users
at different areas around the globe at an accelerated pace. We believe that gamification is a strong tool to enhance cooperation among
users and that it will create a grassroot movement with the possibility to make a real change in the world.


Top Down - Cooperation
Building cooperation with leading local players can make a great impact on any community. Municipalities, public transportation providers,
large employers and community organizations are some of these players that can build, together with the La’Zooz community,
specific local services and features to attend to the unique transportation needs of the communities they serve.


All Around - Sharing Forces
By sharing data and user bases and by open APIs, La’Zooz offers a unique integration with other ride-sharing applications and services
(or any other sharing service). Users can be rewarded for sharing their location data with Zooz tokens and use these tokens later on
to pay for La’Zooz transportation services.


Zooz Token
Zooz is the token of movement
It is designed to create a sustainable economic model for transportation solutions. The Zooz economy will sustain its development,
user acquisition, customer service, creative needs etc. and eventually will be used to pay for the services.
The Zooz tokens will be used to reward drivers for sharing a ride. During the development period it will be used to reward all
contributors to the La`Zooz ecosystem

• Users (Road Miners)
• Developers
• Backers

Zooz tokens will be issued using the Omni layer on the bitcoin blockchain.
More details about the issuance and the sale of the zooz tokens to be published soon.


Zooz Distribution
The option that is created by blockchain and smart contracts technologies opens up the ability to code a sustainable economy
of global smart transportation into reality.Transportation is a basic human need at our times and bringing solutions and aid to
this field using new economic structure will bring the possibilities that are enabled by blockchain and smart contract technologies
into daily mainstream usage.

There are 3 ways to issue new zooz tokens in the La’Zooz ecosystem:


1.Road miners
Early adopters can download the La’Zooz mining application (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lazooz.lbm) in order to “weave” the social-transportation web at their location.
“Road Miners” are being rewarded with Road Zooz tokens according to this protocol (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-cxGmJfJ0RHarsAubsZsI0y7VTaFXqfju40uG9vkgC4/) to encourage the ignition of the ride-sharing services
La’Zooz offers.
Road Zooz tokens are being distributed as a reward for early adopters who share their location data. Location data will  facilitate the
Real Time Ride Sharing service and other transportation solutions to be run on the La’Zooz platform.

Proof of movement (PoM) clarification: At this stage the PoM (proof of movement) heuristics are not all implemented yet.
We are using a model where Road Zooz (a different token than the Zooz token) are being distributed by using the mining application.
These tokens will be exchanged into Zooz tokens only upon using the service (e.g. sharing a ride with an endorsed user).



2.Development reward
To be published soon

3.Purchase
To be published soon

La`Zooz App Status
Mining app
A beta version of the mining application of La’Zooz is available on google play store (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lazooz.lbm&hl=en). The application builds the network of future users of the service by gamifying the process (the gamification levels are still to be developed).
After registration, the app will run in the background whenever a user (aka Road Miner) is riding/driving faster than 20kmph, and will reward Road Miners with zooz tokens for sharing their location according to the Road Miners (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-cxGmJfJ0RHarsAubsZsI0y7VTaFXqfju40uG9vkgC4/edit#heading=h.575it8atyn6k) protocol.


First active ridesharing feature
The community is developing the first active ride-sharing feature these days. This “Last Mile” feature will enable La`Zooz users who take a train trip, to share their rides from the train station to their final destination.
Once on a train, the app will check for any co-passengers that are getting off at the same station and are heading for the same destination. The app will then match the passengers to share the ride to that destination.


Community growth
 
The La’Zooz community is putting lots of time and efforts to grow itself as it believes the community is the core key for success of the project and its most unique added value.
You can join the community through any of the following:

• Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/lazooz.org)
• Twitter (https://twitter.com/lazoozorg)
• Website (http://lazooz.org)
• Join the discussion on La’Zooz thread on Bitcoin Forum (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822533.0)
• Download (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lazooz.lbm&hl=en) the app and become a Road Miner (Android only for now).
• Or… keep reading.

Join Us

Contributing to La`Zooz project is being rewarded with zooz tokens, using a weighted voting mechanism
(details to be published very soon).
All are welcome to join the development community (http://lazooz.org/portfolio/spontaneous-contributions-are-welcomed/) or just send an email to - info at lazooz.org






Core Team:

Shay Zluf (https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=60367081&authType=NAME_SEARCH&authToken=JSYI&locale=en_US&srchid=3411344501412606774718&srchindex=1&srchtotal=1&trk=vsrp_people_res_name&trkInfo=VSRPsearchId%3A3411344501412606774718%2CVSRPtargetId%3A60367081%2CVSRPcmpt%3Aprimary)
Eitan Katchka (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/eitan-katchka/22/782/721)  
Oren Sokolowsky  

contact: info@lazooz.org

Media

Great to see innovation. watching

Welcome to cryptoworld and good luck!

Something very different to bring crypto to the masses- lets see what does crypto community make of it.

I would say- if you are on bct be ready for a lot of spam and trolling on the thread.

And I will be watching. Wishing you all the best.

Just one starting question- it says beta app launch in 6 days, does that mean ZooZ will be mine-able through the app once i keep the app running and in my pocket while travelling!

So does that mean your planned IPO will be released and finished before the app release or you are planning to do it simultaneously!.

In any case. Wish you best of luck.

I'm watching, good luck.

I've been following these guys since the first hackathon they participated in and won. Good to see it go live!

Good luck guys. This is a project that, if it succeeds, can really change the world in a positive way.

dev, what time the official launch, set the countdown and update detailed information,
IPO?ICO OR POW，thank you!

My sentiments, exactly.

Thanks guys!   

The app will be launched in beta but on a testing phase until the crowdsale.

At the first stage it'll "mine" off-chain "potential zooz". (Investors and contributors, though, will receive real Zooz tokens once the protocol becomes active.)

"potential zooz" are there:

• to ensure road-miners participate in the collaborative transportation web (CTW) once established
• not to dilute the ecosystem 

The early-stage "potential zooz" will be replaced with real zooz through real operation on the CTW, whether as a driver or a rider (if ridesharing).

Also, in the first stage of the app release, the road-mining algorithms are still going under changes and improvements.

We'd like at a later stage to have enough fund to mine also potential zooz on the blockchain (right now, on MSC and CP, each issuance of new zooz requires ~3 bitcoin's tx fees, which can get to a lot of fees when there's a lot of users, even when aggregating daily mileage).

Crowdsale will open as soon as we establish our legal entity, which is something that we're working on and requires a lot of originality and resources (due to our genuine demand-based mining protocol, issuing zooz tokens per-demand -- see in a link within the post).

We'll have the crowdsale and "production"-phase app start operate at the same time.

Another to watch.

not bad  8)

looks interesting will watch this

 Very interesting. Proof-of-Movement is very vulnerable point I guess. You should describe it more. How do you verify the 'movement data'?

Sounds cool. Will try it right away !  :D

You should look into what CheckCoin is doing against GPS-spoofing.

watch

Looking forward to how this project moves forward , good luck.

There are various ways we could verify a user movement.

One of them is to cross and analyze information which the application collect from all client.
The general idea is to collect from the client a set of environmental information and data (e.g WiFi,BT,CellId..etc)  which are related to its reported location.
Then we could cross it with other information and with  other users reports, analyze it and verify that the location provided by a specific user is a real one.
Another one is to apply a set of heuristics on the client movement and routes and to check these are reasonable.

In addition there are also some heuristics and methods we could use to verify that the user is a real one and not a BOT.(proof of identity).

wow, im amazed, this is a new innovation, ill be watching  ;D

I always like new innovation watching closely. Mobile mining is great.

Ok...
and no one can hack the device and fake location and 'movement', right  ?

That's the challenge,  to proof that the data your'e sending is authentic cell phone data, with real GPS location and other info.

Generally we divide those heuristics into 3 classes: proof-of-(social)being , proof-of-location , proof-of-movement

Let me try elaborate here a bit about proof-of-socialbeing.

When downloading the application it goes over the clients' contact list phone numbers and match it with the phone numbers of other users.
If there's a match it checks also the other direction, and a full match between Alice and Bob means that both Alice has Bob's phone number in
her contact list, and Bob has Alice phone number in his contact list.

Having a link between Alice and Bob proves that, either:

1. Alice and Bob are social beings and know each other personally.
2. Alice or Bob is a bot, and the other is dishonest. 
3. Both Alice and Bob are bots.

But it CANNOT be that either Alice or Bob is a bot and the other one is innocent.

Having all this information brings about a GRAPH of all users, where link is made only between personally-knowing-people,
bot-bot, or bot-dishonest.   From here on it's pretty easy to analyse the connectivity properties of this graph, separating bots from human beings.

A bot cloud will be a cloud any number of nodes, and as many as possible links between bots in the cloud,  but with VERY LITTLE number of links between that cloud and the rest of the network (==> in fact, the number of links will be exactly the number of dishonest REAL cell phones, that have honest friends which have in their contact lists the numbers of the dishonest guys).  So a simple algorithm running on this graph immediately separates the bot clouds form the rest of the network.

That's just the first, simplest filter.  After that, data is being authenticated with respect to its location and movement signals.

proof of social being?this one must be a very good thing if you manage to do it

but proof of location eh?so if i go from my house to my college than back into my house thats mean i dont move at all?because i come back to the same location  :o

This seems very interesting! I have a couple questions though.

1) If I run this android app as I drive to school/work/etc will I earn Zooz?

2) How secure is the data link? (ie can a snooper intercept my movement data, and if not how can I be sure)

3) If I mine zooz on my android app where will my coins go? I currently dont have a CP or MC wallet, would I have to create one?

4) When is the crowd sale? How can I potentially participate?

5) What incentive would people have to use zooz over say, uber, in cities that arnt hostile to services like uber?

6) How exactly does proof of location/ride/w/e it was work?

7) How secure would the network be if its being mined on android phones?

I look forward to the communities and project leaders answers :D :D

keep watching

will there be an IOS app coming out as well?

pre-ann yet i see the app already.

is it live or not finally?

Do I have to have my device running whilst I am travelling? Will it work if my device is sometimes at home, and at other times in my place-of-work?

is this a coin or a application

looks like a coin to me

Good luck!
Sounds like a great idea. Hope the implementation will also rock.

im a bit worried to show where im going and when to some app...

i like the idea but this is too scary for me to use.

Is this coin developed by NSA

If you go from your house to your collage then back it means you have traveled twice as much.
Proof of movement as we call it is based on proofs that are verifiable by other users that are traveling in the same area and sends their location data .

so are you trying to make us geeks take hikes ?
hmmm !

Is someone using the app? how many Km you need to gain 1 Token?

Of course one can try hacking the system and fake movement;  and just for that sake we develop our
"proof-of-movement" algorithms.  Really, this cocktail of algorithms (we call it a "spoof-proof cocktail") is made of
3 classes of algorithms:

1. Proof-of-social-being algorithms -- which only looks at the social network, the network or all users and the links between them,
to already filter out most faked users (bots), before even looking at their GPS data.
A link between 2 people can be defined in several ways, one of which is the mutual existence of their phone number in each other's phone contact list.
Such a link cannot be faked between a bot (with faked phone number) and a real person, unless of course this person cheat.  So the number of links
a cloud of bots may have with the whole system equals the number of collaboratively cheating people; which is dramatically smaller than the number of links a cloud of real persons would have to the whole system.  In that way, very simple algorithms will recognise clouds of bots.   
It's important to emphasize, though, that the point is that it's pretty easy to identify millions of bots, but it won't reach easily a single or a few bots. 
The point is that we are less concerned with someone making a couple of faked users, but we are very concerned (and protect against) someone faking thousands (or even hundreds) of faked riders.

2. Proof-of-location algorithms -- which basically cross refer real-time-loca data between different users, and between users and external data.
For example, we can ask the phone what is the temperature it sees.  If two people located at the same point report different answers, we may know one of them is cheating (meaning, it's a faked users).  We can ask ask the phone what wifi it sees around (for example, many buses have very strong wifis, visible for hundreds of meters), and again, if several users report a wifi they see, and then one user does not report about it we know he's a faked one.

3. Proof-of-movement algorithms -- analysing the signals of movement in a way that differentiate an authentic movement from an artificially created one. Of course, one can "record" his movement data, but then we'll see multiplication of such data all over the place (assuming it's used for many faked users), knowing its faked.

And then I should add that:

A. This is just a very brief flavour of it, we have plenty other heuristics.

B. We are in testing phase, still a stage of development, and most of the heuristics are still to be developed and coded. That's why we limit extensively the mining at this stage. 

C. Also at later stages, mining will be limited in a way that won't allow for a serious damage to the system even in the case of successful spoofing
 (but of course, we believe we'll have enough tools to avoid such spoofing whatsoever).

D.  We'll be conducting a Proof-of-Movement Hackathon in a few weeks,  where hackers from all over the world will be invited to:

    1. either secure the network by writing more proof-of-movement algorithms.
    2. or, hack it.

Both successful contributions will be generously rewarded with Zooz tokens (and perhaps even BTC if funds will be available).

So it's a good opportunity to invite you all to participate in this event.

and most importantly...

E. This is just the place where we want to ask for the community feedback --   your ideas for more heuristics, comments about weaknesses, suggestions, etc.


This is a community project -- and we call the community to help in making it better.

Yours,

Matan Field







 

I'll be following.
Good luck

1. Exactly, as long as you keep the app in the background and move (above 20km/h) you will earn Potential Zooz tokens for your movement.
Potential Zooz tokens could be used to purchase services on the collaborative transportation network once established (for example, pay for
the participance in cost of ride for real-time ridesharing), and will be transformed to "real" Zooz tokens during the use of the established network.
The only practical difference between the Potential and Real Zooz tokens is that, real Zooz tokens would be tradable whereas Potential Zooz
tokens would be un-tradable.   The main reason for distributing Potential Zooz tokens for early riders (which are "La'Zooz early miners")
is to insure that those users who help in building the collaborative network as its potential users, will indeed use it once it's established.

2. Your data is pretty secure...   Our code and architecture are going through a professional security audit during these days, and indeed soon as we finish
the audit and fix all of its outputs, we'll release the code to be open source.  We are taking privacy and security very seriously.

3. Right now, during testing phase, those Potential Zooz tokens are sitting on our servers.  Soon, all potential Zooz accounts information will be hashed into the blockchain, to be publicly available. But they will still be un-tradable, meaning they won't be smart assets on Mastercoin or Counterparty.  Real Zooz tokens, whether purchased, distributed for contribution or being transformed from Potential Zooz tokens (once the critical mass of users is established and you'll be using the system) will be crypto assets registered on the Mastercoin or Counterparty protocol (and you could choose). The app will automatically generate public-private keys for that -- the private key will be stored on your phone only and will never reach our server -- and you'll then gain access to it. You will see your balance on the app, but to actually access the tokens you'll need to open your MSC/CP account.  At later stages, we may have those wallets available on the app itself and on our website.  (just to emphasize,  in order to receive any MSC/CP 2.0 smart property, one only needs to have a standard BTC address. Only to manipulate his obtained assets he needs to have a MSC/CP wallet.)

4. The crowd sale is expected to be opened in several weeks. We mostly wait for the establishment of our legal entity/structure.  This procedure, carried out at the highest quality, takes some time as well as quite a lot of funds (which by themselves needs to be raised; as you see, it's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem). Once having information about the final date we'll update everyone through all social-media channels (including here), as well as on our website, where you can also enter and leave your details to receive a personal notification.   Till then, you're most welcome to have a direct contact with us at:  info@lazooz.org  , and contribute to the project in many ways.  It's a decentralized community project, people are joining all the time and any contribution is most welcome.

5. Well, Uber is charging riders rates which are pretty close to taxi rates (about 20% less).  We are talking about establishing a true ride-SHARING, where people can share the ride THEY MAKE ANYWAY with others,  and in reward receive their PARTICIPANT IN THE DRIVE COSTS. This service is still unavailable anywhere. Secondly, Uber, as a centralized company, will never have its interests aligned with the interests of its users.  On the contrary, as a decentralized organisation/project/application, in La'Zooz the organisation's interests will simply be chosen by its all users and members (in an algorithmic way which is still under development). Finally, La'Zooz offers a much wider scope than Uber does, visioning an integration of all smart transportation solution into one platform, enabling a social network of people in the real (non-virtual) world, matching riders and drivers that are alike (so that they'll enjoy the ride), and much more. To emphasize, as an open-source project, La'Zooz will also have open APIs that will allow any 3rd party transportation app to easily integrate into the platform and offer its service for users who'd ask for it.

6. Please see in this thread above, I've written a somewhat detailed answer. A more thorough explanation will be published in the near future.

7. Again, the network is expected to be secured enough.  We are under auditing and will keep improve on that front continuously.

Thanks for your interest!

YEP, live -- find the app on Google Play at:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lazooz.lbm&hl=en

Around 1 zooz each 100km.

You know why my gps doesn't start with this app? It tell me that the gps is off, but after I turn it on it doesn't search the signal.  My phone is a Nexus 4. Any ideas?

Thanks, will check that and get back to you.

This morning it worked for about 75Km, then I turned it off, and when I reopened it, it didn't start.
My GPS was on, opening zooz the gps didn't start to look the signal, no icon on the phone bar, but as soon as I opened any GPS app or maps, the gps started to look at the signal.
So it's just like the gps doesn't recognize zooz as an app that need it.

thanks

Hi, I would to know if I need a wifi connection to mine, or can I use only the GPS??

Another Checkcoin. ;D

Hoping this doesnt turn into an ICO

You need a mobile connection, how can you walking around or driving using a wifi? Unless you don't drive a car or a coach with wifi in.

Yeah sure!

I still don't understand how can you know i'm really moving
it shouldn't be that difficult to fake GPS data and earn ZOOZs
i guess also accelerometer data could be fake if you check it

It takes your movement only when the app is open, I tried to open the gps status app, and the zooz app was in background, so zooz didn't count my movement. You need to have it open not behind other apps.

I should have solved the problem, I used an app called Tasks, that allow me to force the gps on when I run it.

Splatters, can you send a screen shot of the settings menu to:   orens@lazooz.org

Also, when not seeing a search signal, are you moving or static?  when you're static it won't search for your GPS signal. 

The idea is that GPS consume a lot of battery, so in general it is turned off. Only when you're moving enough it turns on your GPS and start searching for its signal. The trigger for moving right now is when there's a change in your cell ID, but we'll improve it soon, perhaps by reading your accelerometer.

is this going to replace Waze ? :)

Well, indeed it's very natural that the same app the will match driver and riders to share rides, and later on will integrate ANY smart transportation solution, will also serve to navigate vehicles and more.   So in that sense, it's natural to expect that La'Zooz will either replace WAZE, or integrate with it.  But there's still a long way to go till then...

Now the problem seem solved, when I launch the GPS it start to look signal, probably I've unlocked something, or using the task app maybe.

Hi Matt9301, you need to have online connection and GPS turned on,  but can mine without having wifi available.

In some future instances the app might require you to have your wifi turned on as well for mining
(I'm not sure if it's already set up like that today or not, will check it out),  to be used for "proof of location"

For example, having your wifi turned on, the app may ask you to report which wifi it sees in real time.
Comparing the app response on that, it can rule out bots which won't report on wifi that is known to exist
at their claimed location.

good, I think is very important to avoid any possibility to cheat or create fake movements.

Thank you for the answer, so I can't mine this coins because I haven't an offert for online connections on my smartphone! Whatever good idea!

Next week I'm going to do at least 2 zooz per day...

The current mining algorithm is a placeholder, very symbolic (and careful) mining paste.
We plan in a week or two to release our new mining algorithm, which on one hand will be much more rewarding,
but on the other hand will still be careful enough not to dilute the economical system. In parallel we'll keep improving
our proof-of-movement algorithms.   So stay tuned, soon much more zooz will be available on the go.

I brought bad luck to myself,  this morning the gps doesn't want to work.... After I've fixed the problem a new one and worse show up.

Nice, I think it count good the distance, but is not fluid yet, it takes a bit to update the meters I made.

sometimes happens that I send a request to a friend, the app tells me that the request has been sent, but my friend dont get the message.
I dont' know if is an apps problem or a problem of my provider. I trued sever time with the same numbers.

 Can't install the app on my android devices (3 of them, all made by sony).

Definitely, still under massive improvements, keep on pushing feedbacks.
THANKS

Thanks Splatters,   can you send us

 a mail to info@lazooz.org with some more details?  perhaps your phone number so that we could track the problem

One possible solution would be that you're sending it to friends with iOS, but I need to check with the DEVs whether they should receive the message and won't be able to instal the app (since no iOS is yet available; soon...) or whether they should not receive the message at all in such cases.

In any case, would like very much tracking this bug, will appreciate your correspondence.

THANKS!

Can you send us the model names?    Can also reply to info@lazooz.org

There are a few devices which are not yet supported (some devices require separate treatment, such as Galaxy II), I would like to check that and get back to you as soon as possible.

THANKS :)

No problem, I'm writing you now.
Btw they wasn't iOS phone.

still watching

Anybody technically-skilled here? Can the PoM be spoofed?

how the use of the app is going, how many people are in the network? When do you think the platform will be ready?

Loaded the app on my droid, and nothing!!  Does it have to have wifi connected to work, or will it work over 4G?

4G of course. You should use the app, outside, walking, cycling, riding, or driving.

excluding gps problem, that sometimes my phone dont' want to execute, the app seems working good.
And I still have the problem that I cant invite some friend, they never receive the message.
And I forgot to say, the link in the message doesn't work, people need to open directly the store and look for the app.

1. GPS issue :
The app is currently supported Android versions 3.x.x.(API 11) and plus.
We tested the app on the most common Android devices.
There might be some specific phones where the app does not work correctly.
Which phones you got?
2.Please note that currently the app does not allow sending more then one invitation per person. So if you already sent an invitation to someone..you can not send it twice.Any how ,please send a number that you think it does not got the invitation and I will check that out.
You can send it to app_admin@lazooz.org
3.The application link..could you please retest it?

My phone is a Nexus4 with Android 4.2.2.
All the apps that need GPS, when it's ON and I start that app, the looking for a signal start automatically, but with zooz, doen't start, I need to close and open the GPS setting, start and restart it, until it looks for the signal.
I know I can send invitation only once for number, After the invitation is sent correctly I have an arrow on that name and I cant send it again, but with some numbers that arrow never appears, in fact they never receive the message, and I can resent it to them, but same thing, it never arrive.
I've already sent two numers to you, at info@lazooz.or, can send them to this new email, in few minutes.
Ill ask to a friend if he still has that message and if it works now.

thanks

The app use and development is going well, in testing and improving phase, fixing bugs and issues every day.
We are also working on the mining algorithms and proof of movement.
There are more than 300 early users worldwide, which is a good number for this phase.
Once the app and algorithms are more mature we will promote a massive download and start rolling this snowball.
For the platform to be ready we need:
1. Develop the ride sharing app itself, and some other stuff
2. Reach a critical mass of users.

I expect development to be ready in a few months (how many of them depending on the funds we raise soon, via pre sale, crowd sale and kickstarter),
and critical mass depends on adoption which is hard to predict. My personal estimate (and hope) is that it may take 3-4 months, but this is just a wild guess.

mailed u Matan - KingsCrown from FB :)

Do you think is a problem of the app that never start to looking for a gps signal when I open zooz.
As I told inmy last post, if my gps is ON and I open every app that needs or use gps, it start looking for the signal, with zooz, nope, just like is a normal app that doesn't need the gps.

cool , ande have a ipo?

updated to the new version 1.10 (app build 28) and it works fine on my Lenovo Golden Warrior A8 now.

Not a problem at all: the idea is that we don't want to spend your battery when not needed.  The GPS is only turned on with a trigger that signals a fast enough movement (~20kph).  Right now the trigger is operated by detecting a change in your cellID info, which is not accurate enough and have too much false positive, and we've got several feedbacks of people about over battery use. Thus, for now, we've added that GPS is only turned on when your phone is plugged to the charger (this is the default which can be changed in settings).  Soon we'll develop a more sophisticated movement triggering mechanism (presumably based on your accelerometer), which will only open up your GPS when really moving above 20kph or so (and then will remove the default limitation of being plugged to charger).

Sure.  We mostly wait for the establishment of our legal structure.  We wish La'Zooz to be a truly community-based, decentralized collaboration, and for that purpose we need to derive a hand-made special legal structure that allows such an operation. For several months we've examined this issue with several law firms around the world. This process is lengthy and expensive. (Of course, we've learned a lot from previous projects' experience -- especially from Ethereum, and we also pave the way for future projects so that in the future all of this will be much simpler.)   We are getting close to finalizing the legal scheme and estimate that its establishment will take another 4-6 weeks.  We sincerely hope to open up the crowd sale already on mid December, and not later than the very beginning of 2015.

If you're interested in the crowd sale please enter our website and fill up your details to be updated (of course we'll also update here and in other social-media channels), or simply email us at info@lazooz.org.

In the meanwhile, as development and legal establishment are very expensive we must issue a second pre sale of our own  Zooz tokens (rewarded for a year of development) to keep this operation running. (A first pre sale round of approx. 100,000$ was carried out a bit earlier to support past development.) We will inform the community about it in a few days with more details (and will do so personally to all of whom who were interested in it through our website).

Thanks for your interest, welcome to keep in touch.

i have to say la zooz is not counting kms since at least a week.
update doesnt help

even if I'm moving the gps doesn't start.
Btw I should have found a way to force it, and it's laughing the shakes function, launching that zooz start looking for the signal.

Temporarily, mining is only enabled (by default -- you can change that in settings) when your smartphone is plugged to its charger.
Can you check if that's the problem?  The reason is that we've received several feedbacks about battery overuse -- due to often false GPS activation (which is usually kept off and only turned on upon certain movement signal), and would like to avoid that before we improve the GPS turn-on triggering mechanism.
If the problem maintains please send us some more details to info@lazooz.org. Really appreciate your feedback!

Is it not starting also when moving in a car? (>20kph?)   Is your smartphone plugged to the charger when driving?

its not. it used too then stopped [over wee kago]. i travel by car daily and it didnt move since over a week.

 How can I obtain a standalone invitation code to invite friends by e-mail and receive additional 10 potential zooz )?

But the important questions is whether you're connected to the charger or not when driving.
If not, then the mining is not activated by default (you can change that in settings) -- an addition we've added to save battery until we fix battery consumption.

Thanks, will do that and send you. Can you send this message also to: info@lazooz.org ?  (so that we'll get back to you also via email)

Yes, even if I drive faster than 20 kph... I used it last week driving, it was a little hard to make the gps searching, but after some try it worked, in fact I made 1000Km last week, the phone was always plugged charging.
But this week it didnt work, when I told you I forced it using the shakes function, I thought it worked, I've opened the shakes menù, the gps started to look the signal and then I went back to the main screen and it counted the kms, then I've disabled it because I was in office, when I left and I opened again the app the gps didn't work as usual, so I opened the shakes menù, and now it started to look the signal, but when I went back to the main page it stopped....so I left the shakes page open, it looked for the gps, it found it, but it didnt take the distance, if you're in shakes page and you move, the app doent keep your movement, doesn't give you token, but it sees my movement, my position move in the maps....

How does it work?

 Yeah, I can't really get how to invite friends. I send them my sms invitation but it doesn't work for them (wrong code, multiple times) so they register by sms like users without refs and the incoming sms activates automatically as it happened to me, so I receive no bonuses.

Any news so far?

zooz will have a future.

This looks like a great idea.  I hope data Zooz collects is anonymized and analyzed with non-interactive zero-knowledge proof protocols, because otherwise this app will be seen as extremely invasive of privacy!   :P


Ridesharing and Bitcoin are both 'hot' industries, so you should have no problem getting heaps of venture capital thrown at this start-up.  Are you on AngelList?  A potential Uber-killer like Zooz should be at the very top of https://angel.co/companies/trending.   8)

myhoho,  has the problem been resolved already?   If not, please drop us another note, better directly to info@lazooz.org with some more details about the problem and if possible your phone number to track the problem.  We appreciate your feedback, Thanks!

(In any case I re-submit to our devs)

Every day... 
elelgzet, have you meant for specific ones?  i.e. regarding crowdsale, Zooz-mining app, whitepaper, ... ? 
basically ALL in great progress;  have you register in our website? (if not, most welcome to), and if so, have you gotten our update latter?   
I will send it also here.
Thanks for your interest!

Splatters, has the problem been resolved?  really appreciate your patience and continuos interest. 
If not, could you send some more details to: info@lazooz.org?  we would like to track the bug and fix it asap.
THANK :)

Thank you Corleone1918, we believe so too, let's join forces and make it happen together :)
Welcome to drop a note also into info@lazooz.org or at the website lazooz.org

Actually we haven't yet listed La'Zooz on AngelList, although we definitely should (everything simply progresses too fast...).
Would you like perhaps to participate with us and help put the project onto AngelList and similar platforms?
Please drop us a note at info@lazooz.org or at the website http://lazooz.org
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Hi Everyone,

here's an update letter we've sent to the community; if you want to receive more of them in the future please register at our website
and we'll keep you update.  We want to make this a community project, so all of you are welcome to actively participate in this revolution,
and of course get your Zooz reward entitled by the community itself.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you for expressing your interest in La'Zooz
 

Introduction. The La'Zooz project has been evolving for exactly 1 year now, throughout which its community has been constantly growing, including dozens of participants. Today, we are 4 full-time core-team members and a larger circle of part-time contributors, dedicated to grow further and decentralize this joint collaboration.
 
Zooz-Mining App Release. Three weeks ago we have made an official announcement and launched the Android beta version of our Zooz-mining app at the “Inside Bitcoins TLV” event. People have started downloading the app and mine Potential Zooz tokens. We are now working on improving the app and fixing issues raised by our beta testers.

 
Crowd Sale. The main stumbling block in opening the Crowd Sale of Zooz tokens is the establishment of our legal structure. We wish to operate La’Zooz as a joint collaboration, completely decentralized, in line with our decision-making mechanism and Zooz-mining protocol. This leaves us with some legal constraints to be resolved, and we expect to finalize the process and open the sale at the beginning of 2015.

 
Pre Sale. Finalizing the establishment of the La'Zooz foundation while maintaining development in the meanwhile is an expensive endeavor, and to this end we hold a second Pre-Sale round of future Zooz tokens at a discounted rate -- in comparison with the Crowd-Sale opening rate. (The first Pre-Sale round of approximately $100,000 has been carried out in order to support recent development).
 

Due Pre-Sale Conditions. Due to the fact that not all technical details have been finalized yet (as they will be before the Crowd Sale), the Pre-Sale process requires more personal contact, and we will only be able to process large purchases at this point. Please contact us if you wish to purchase a minimum of 2500$ worth of Zooz tokens.
 

 
Decentralized Collaboration. We aim at making this a community-based project. Indeed, people around the world are constantly contacting us with an interest to join in promoting this revolution. We work on establishing a collaborative platform to sync the various efforts in the community, hopefully to be live within a couple of weeks. Until then, please contact us personally at info@lazooz.org to participate in the development, promotion and establishment of the Decentralized Collaborative Transportation Network.

 
Community. We would like to keep in close touch with the community and update you on our progress. Therefore we will start sending newsletters soon. For more information, you are also welcome to look at our Intro Kit, which is constantly being updated.

 
Vision. La'Zooz is a community project that stands to change transportation as we know it. We aim at utilizing the power of people, and distribute the wealth of such cooperation back to the people; bring cryptocurrency and blockchain technologies to the masses; and in doing so, help to promote a sustainable economy and society. 

 
Near Future. We are currently pushing ahead with many directions of development, including: improving the Zooz-Mining app;Creating an IOS version of the mining app; finalizing our Zooz-mining algorithms and decentralized decision-making mechanism; starting developing the real-time ride-sharing app; working out a Collaborative Platform; promoting adoption in the community; building the collaborative transportation network; and more. Of course much of our efforts are also directed into legal questions, fund raising, public relations and social-media presence. We invite you to actively join this creation as it unfolds.

 
Let's make it happen together.

 
With passion and love,

La'Zooz Core Team




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1.Road mining entitles the user with Potential Zooz (PZ) tokens. At this stage PZ are being registered on our secured servers, and soon they will be registered on a blockchain, just like real Zooz tokens. PZ tokens will be transformed into real Zooz tokens upon the use of the Collaborative Transportation Platform in acquiring or offering rides and services, and until then will not be tradable as real Zooz tokens are (that you obtain, for example, by participating in development or by purchasing). The main reason for that is to make sure Road Miners indeed participate in the collaborative transportation network they help to establish. Another advantage of this “vesting mechanism” is its extra security against fraudulent activity.

 

2.The rate is stated with respect to the Crowd-Sale rate (we still refine the Zooz token’s absolute value). In line with our genuine Zooz-mining protocol, we would like to promote a stable and healthy economy and thus encourage purchases of Zooz tokens not as a short-term investment.  Accordingly, we offer a better Pre-Sale rate for those who are willing to purchase un-tradable Vested Zooz tokens, to become tradable Zooz tokens after a “vesting period of time”, of up to three months from the crowd sale opening date.

This $2500 limitation is pretty high for most of us, especially at this stage of development. I can accumulate funds from "small investors" ($30+) and devide zooz tokens proportionally as if developpers don't want many contractors at this stage. No additional guarantees provided (I can't call this escrow service since we are paying $), I would request a small fee for processing (3%), some other additional fees might be requested depending on payment transfer options.
 Just let me know if you want to pre-buy <$2500
 (we only have about 1 btc right now - ||edited December 11)

This looks very interesting. I am excited to participate and watch it grow.

Let's put ZOOZ on Koinify.  It was built for things like this, and Gems just proved it works.

We were in touch with Koinify (in fact, I've matched them with my friend Daniel from GEMS  :)  , he also helped us in La'Zooz... ).

It's not straight forward, as we have a specific (and a bit more complicated than the standard) mining protocol, with dynamical selling rates, which they still
cannot operate, and we've already built the machine for that.

Basically Koinify offers two things: a technical platform and an exposure space. As said, we don't need the technical part (we already have all that we need ready);  regarding the exposure space you are definitely right, we thought about it but again, it cannot work with our protocol. 

But you know what?  perhaps we can make this current pre-sale on top of them... the pre-sale has a fixed rate and is easy to execute.
I need to check that from the legal perspective (for which we've postponed the crowd sale, until we finish establishing its structure).

Let's re-chat that again in a few days,  perhaps we can do something...

how can i invest in it?

Thanks MRKAVASAKI for your interest in the project! 

You can invest now in the pre-sale, by purchasing Zooz tokens from the core team. If you're interested please contact me at: matanf@lazooz.org or Skype:matan.field .

Or, that you can wait for the public crowd sale which we expect to initiate on January 2015 (details will be announced here and in other places). In the latter option you purchase the tokens directly "from the protocol", which means that your payment enters the community decentralized fund, and is basically "owned by" and "kept for" the community (by which people can refund their Zooz tokens at any time).
For some details on this genuine protocol see:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1okTm1wJfnasyIMbHlBfqP7YOEak9hgXLI48yLkQzxc4/edit#heading=h.diyej5v6z0yn

Of course, at the pre sale there are less finalised details, and accordingly a significantly lower rate.
We offer to sell the tokens now for half the offered rate at the crowdsale opening day, if you are willing to "vest"
your purchased Zooz tokens for 3 months - meaning, to receive the tradable tokens only 3 months after opening the crowd sale. If you want to receive your tradable Zooz tokens immediately at the first issuance (which will take place right before the crowd-sale opening), then the rate would be 2/3 of the crowd-sale opening rate. (And if you're willing for a period of vesting shorter than 3 months, then the rate is set between 1/2 - 1/3 of the opening rate, linearly with the vesting period.) This further discount for "vested Zooz" is set to encourage a stable economy for Zooz tokens at early stages; we would like to encourage early subscribers to see that as a long-term investment, and not trade their tokens right away.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Matan Field
La'Zooz; co-founder

fmatan@gmail.com
matanf@lazooz.org
Skype: matan.field
LinkedIn  (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/matan-field/96/2b3/92a)
Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/matan.field)
Twitter  (https://twitter.com/MatanField)

Thanks MRKAVASAKI for your interest in the project! 

You can invest now in the pre-sale, by purchasing Zooz tokens from the core team. If you're interested please contact me at: matanf@lazooz.org or Skype:matan.field .

Or, that you can wait for the public crowd sale which we expect to initiate on January 2015 (details will be announced here and in other places). In the latter option you purchase the tokens directly "from the protocol", which means that your payment enters the community decentralized fund, and is basically "owned by" and "kept for" the community (by which people can refund their Zooz tokens at any time).
For some details on this genuine protocol see:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1okTm1wJfnasyIMbHlBfqP7YOEak9hgXLI48yLkQzxc4/edit#heading=h.diyej5v6z0yn

Of course, at the pre sale there are less finalised details, and accordingly a significantly lower rate.
We offer to sell the tokens now for half the offered rate at the crowdsale opening day, if you are willing to "vest"
your purchased Zooz tokens for 3 months - meaning, to receive the tradable tokens only 3 months after opening the crowd sale. If you want to receive your tradable Zooz tokens immediately at the first issuance (which will take place right before the crowd-sale opening), then the rate would be 2/3 of the crowd-sale opening rate. (And if you're willing for a period of vesting shorter than 3 months, then the rate is set between 1/2 - 1/3 of the opening rate, linearly with the vesting period.) This further discount for "vested Zooz" is set to encourage a stable economy for Zooz tokens at early stages; we would like to encourage early subscribers to see that as a long-term investment, and not trade their tokens right away.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Matan Field
La'Zooz; co-founder

fmatan@gmail.com
matanf@lazooz.org
Skype: matan.field
LinkedIn  (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/matan-field/96/2b3/92a)
Facebook  (https://www.facebook.com/matan.field)
Twitter  (https://twitter.com/MatanField)

Please do, you're most welcome to participate and take active part. For more information please contact me at:

fmatan@gmail.com
matanf@lazooz.org
Skype: matan.field
LinkedIn  (https://www.linkedin.com/pub/matan-field/96/2b3/92a)
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/matan.field)
Twitter (https://twitter.com/MatanField)

Matan

Great initiative.

I signed up and started mining.. hit the share button and referred my buddy.. and he joined up, but it doesn't show I referred anyone.

Regarding this 20km/h limitation:

This means it is more or less impossible to use it in any meaningful way in a City like Saigon (where you more often than not can not move that fast due to the crowded streets here)?

I really like your idea and would start to recommend it as a great example of what decentralization / cryptocurrency  can achieve (especially since UBER is quite a hot topic over here
these days) - but yeah, people should be able to use it - otherwise they become frustrated and these recommendation are failing to have its intended effect. :)

So it probably makes sense for now to hold back on this, until the technology is further developed over the coming months?

Keep up the work - definitely one of the more interesting and promising projects in the space.

Thanks, let me check that with dev team.  Can you send the same question also to:  info@lazooz.org , to get a response directly by email?

Thanks Waldschrat2 for your support!

Let me check the limitation, perhaps it's 10kmh now. But in any case, the limit is just to start operating the mining; once it's going on,
you don't need anymore to be above any certain speed. It's only meant to trigger the mining and the sending of location when you move, to save battery.
The mining stops after 5 minutes of no detected movement (below some speed threshold).

In any case, all of this, the trigger and limit, will be constantly improved as we go along.

Please keep in touch and let us know of more issues (or good things) you encounter, and of course also welcome to actively participate in the project.

Thanks!

Dear community,

We have started processing the 2nd pre-sale round of Zooz tokens -- ending 17/12/2014, in which we are selling some of our personal Zooz tokens, of the core team, in order to support development until the crowdsale,  expected at the end of January. (We are mainly left to finalize the legal establishment.)

The offered rate at this round is denominated with respect to the crowd-sale opening-day rate -- since we are still finalising also the absolute value of the Zooz token, and is varying between 1/2 and 2/3 the opening rate, according to vesting plans.

We wish to generate a stable and sustainable economy for the Zooz tokens (and spent a lot of thinking in that direction, writing a novel Zooz-mining protocol just for that purpose), and accordingly would like to encourage early subscribers to hold the purchased tokens for a longer period of time before trading them.

Thus, whereas the base rate is 2/3 of the crowd-sale opening-day rate,  we offer a discounted rate for vested tokens, i.e.  a rate of 1/2 of the opening-day rate if one agrees on receiving the tradable tokens only 3 months after the crowd-sale opening day.   
(Any vesting period between 0 and 3 months will have a rate linearly varying from 2/3 to 1/2 accordingly.)

Welcome to read more about La'Zooz at this intro kit:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18p8GGLYSQ_E-4BBcsG4kQLFDAiVoNeZ09q4G6sNTna4/edit

and send us any question you may have, either here or directly to info@lazooz.org .

Best wishes,

Matan Field
La'Zooz; co-founder

matanf@lazooz.org
Skype: matan.field

LinkedIn  -- https://www.linkedin.com/pub/matan-field/96/2b3/92a
Facebook -- https://www.facebook.com/matan.field
Twitter -- https://twitter.com/MatanField

Great project! I would like to mine on my mobile.

I installed the app to my, Sprint LGE LG-LS970 and signed up.

It then told me that I would earn when the app and GPS was opened.

All fine so far, then it times out. I have uninstalled and re-installed with no luck.

I have also tried with and without WiFi.

Thanks in advance for your assistance!

Thanks for your feedback.  I'll forward to dev team to fix the problem and will get back to you soon.
However, can you also send the same to info@lazooz.org, with your phone number, so that the dev team could easily track your case?
Appreciate your support.

Sent, thank you for your support ;)

Hi John,
Thanks for the feedback.
In general mining (with movement) start when you move above 10 KM/H and stop when you are idle for more than 5 min.
What do you mean by saying the app "times out"?

Are you mining with the charger cable connected?
Please note that by default mining is enable only with the charger cable connected.
This setting can be change at menu->settings . Please check your settings.

Note: From version 36(1.18) this setting is no longer the default one.

Please let me know if that helps or you have any other issue.
Your contribution is appreciated.

Thanks,
Oren

I'm unable to get to the menu. All I see is the blue screen with the circle timer in the center. It keeps cycling. The only buttons that work are back and home that exit the app.

Thanks,

John

Anybody here who wants to buy 4.54pz for BC or BTC ?

No one would like to buy at that price.

Which price?

Thanks for the reply!


Seems good so far; will observe this for a couple of days - and then hopefully can recommend it to other Bitcoin People here in Vietnam. :)

One more thing: I have read somewhere in this thread, that you are implementing some kind of "anti-fraud"-mechanism, which detects the temperature in the environment (via other users in the area). Just would like to mention, that this could cause some problems as well, since other App users may be in a location with A/C (e.g. car, bus, office... - less than 25°C) - while the usual motobike drivers will have temperatures of 35°C+... - this could cause conflicting informations, even if everybody is being a honest participant in the network

Nice project :) Definitely will watch this progress. Goodluck  :-*

My app shows i've travelled 6000 KM and thats not even close to being right.  :D

Thanks,  there was a bug which was now corrected -- please let us know if the problem persists.
(could you drop also a note to info@lazooz.org with your phone number?)

a nice Project.

Any news/updates/progress regarding the project?

Can anyone explain why the minimum amount to buy in the presale translates to requiring a $2500 minimum investment?  Please allow for distributing these tokens and investments among people who don't have this much to invest!

10 BTC is pretty high. looks like they confident enough to put up that high bar.

I do agree a 1000$ would be more appropriate.

This is a great representation of what the blockchain and decentralized platforms can provide to our society. I hope to see this progress as it has been and set the standard in transportation within modern cities.

I hope to see taxi companies become obsolete in the next decade as more platforms are introduced to the world which allow for a more fair and accurate payment structure.

Cheers!

Taxis are already obsolete.  Uber dis-intermediated their monopolies, and passed part of the savings in rent on to consumers.

Now it's Zooz's turn to continue the process...by making Uber obsolete and empowering consumers to expose and accrue unprecedented efficiencies far beyond mere savings.   8)

Though time flies, we are still working towards La'Zooz crowd sale, finalizing several issues on the protocols and our vending machine, while taking care of other open issues on our website, debugging La'Zooz mining app etc.
Hope to publish the sale opening date very soon.
Stay tuned... 

and of course mostly welcome to join the team and spread the rumor around... http://lazooz.org/portfolio/spontaneous-contributions-are-welcomed/ (http://lazooz.org/portfolio/spontaneous-contributions-are-welcomed/)

Hi Guys. We meant for this very short Pre-Sale to help us get to the formal opening day of our crowd sale as ready as possible. We had some connections with potential "heavy" buyers and wanted to make this sale with as less friction as possible, handling as few purchases as we can due to technical issues. Hence the high bar.

Came out not as we expected due to several reasons (one of them of course is the high bar itself  ;) )... We will go out soon with full disclosure about all zooz tokens that were distributed up till now (for contribution etc) so future purchasers will know where they stand.

Still, we keep learning and taking whatever happens for the best. The preparations for the crowd sale opening day are at their pick and we will announce the date very soon.
Stay tuned. 

It's been almost a month since the last update any news?

https://www.ted.com/talks/todd_humphreys_how_to_fool_a_gps  ::)
http://www.arnaudpelletier.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/image3.jpg

Nothing more than a conception.

Another conception :

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lexa.fakegps&hl=en

As far as I see, this software prevents you from mocking location.

TotalPanda stay assured that we are aware that gps is easy to fake... And not building our protocols on that. In fact we are working on a scheme where faking your location wont give you any benefit in the system. More to come soon. Stay tuned.

Though we have kept quiet for the last 2 months or so, the La'Zooz team is still working on the launch of a great application to disrupt the transportation system as we know it,  by unleashing human creativity with the help of blockchain technology.

We are happy to update you all, that we have had some great meetings in the last weeks with the leading team members of Quicksilver (QSLV) and that we will be joining forces to make this collaborated wishful disruption a reality.

You can read more about the Quicksilver project and thier latest announcement about this collaboration here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=842240.msg10762223#msg10762223 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=842240.msg10762223#msg10762223).

We will be releasing here more news and updates about La'Zooz, its current protocols and road map's milestones.

Please share with us any feedback, and as always you are mostly welcome to join the dev fest through this thread or by emailing us to -
info at lazooz dot org

lazooz.org (http://lazooz.org)

It's a interesting Project.

We are excited to share with you the intro chapter of La'Zooz white paper.
http://lazooz.org/collaborative-transportation-web/  (http://lazooz.org/collaborative-transportation-web/)

In the coming weeks we will share more  parts of our white paper for your review of the whys, hows and whats of La’Zooz. Welcome to read, comment*, and share.

*We mean it :)

Can La'Zooz Take Ridesharing To The Moon?

A new article on Cointelegraph.
Do share with us your feedback.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113820/can-lazooz-take-ridesharing-to-the-moon (http://cointelegraph.com/news/113820/can-lazooz-take-ridesharing-to-the-moon)

How are things here? Thread is awfully quite ...  :-\ Would really love to see this taking off

Kartaba - Would be happy to get your help to make this thread become more a live. We are overloaded with work and preperations, trying to close all issues for the opening of the crowd sale... A date will be announced in the coming days.
Any offers on how to make the take off more successful will be appreciated.

Send us an email and will add you to our slack - info@lazooz.org

I came across this interesting video about "The new economy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsC4ptn2Aik

at 30:50 ish... he starts talking about transportation and mentions lazooz ;)
interesting....

Thanks Kartaba! Its a great forum to be mentioned in.
William Mougayar mentioned us before in some of his publications - But this is a major thing.
Will contact him now.

I am glad i could be of any help  :P
Cheers! and goodluck contacting mr mougayar

Your idea of distributing Zooz tokens through proof-of-movement is a really nice way to bootstrap your app but I fear it will never be "hacker proof".

You send my entire contact list to your server? Jeez, sounds worse than NSA and for a little reward. As you say:
I would be concerned about "a few bots" accumulating Zooz tokens with fake trips. That's unfair for all other users.

First of all that means we can only mine with an active internet connection right? Thus La’Zooz will deplete my data plan.
Second, applying this in practice would get you a super high false negative rate. As Waldschrat2 pointed out:
Similar problems happen if you compare available Wi-Fi networks: my smartphone's antenna may be worse than that of other users, a bus might be blocking the signal, the Wi-Fi network may be temporarily offline or have changed name, etc.
Also, what about routes crossed only by a single user? You'll have no data to cross reference there. Will you discard those? ... Not fair.

What prevents an hacker from doing some little data permutations (tilt to the right instead of tilt to the left or whatever) to fool you?


These proof-of-movement heuristics are akin to Google's PageRank cat-and-mouse game, but way harder. There will always be ways to fool you. Also, you'll never be able to release the full heuristics out in public... so much for transparency and getting community feedback. It’s doomed to security by obscurity.

https://xorrtgj.wordpress.com/2015/04/26/hackers-lets-hoard-zooz-tokens/

Thanks XorrTGJ for the feedback and for your concern and sorry for the late reply. As we have replied on Twitter - these are still to develop heuristics (and yes we know some of them will be hard) and for the meanwhile we are working on a model where drivers and riders will mine "Road Zooz" tokens that will be exchanged to real zooz tokens upon using the service (e.g. sharing rides). We will be very happy to get you on our team to help with that.
https://twitter.com/lazoozorg/status/593163535523287041 (https://twitter.com/lazoozorg/status/593163535523287041)

I finally have new wheels :) Cant wait to try La zooz out hehe

that's a great idea, hope dev can keep develop this.

Thanks.
Still working on it. Announcing very soon...

Welcome to join the dev power.
email us to info at lazooz dot org

 

We are starting to update the first post in this thread toward the coming Zooz token sale. The main update at this time concerns the road mining algorithm for La`Zooz mining app users
1.Road miners
Early adopters can download the La’Zooz mining application (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lazooz.lbm) in order to “weave” the social-transportation web at their location. “Road Miners” are being rewarded with Road Zooz tokens according to this protocol (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-cxGmJfJ0RHarsAubsZsI0y7VTaFXqfju40uG9vkgC4/) to encourage the ignition of the ride-sharing services La’Zooz offers.
Road Zooz tokens are being distributed as a reward for early adopters who share their location data. Location data will  facilitate the Real Time Ride Sharing service and other transportation solutions to be run on the La’Zooz platform.

Proof of movement (PoM) clarification: At this stage the PoM (proof of movement) heuristics are not all implemented yet. We are using a model where Road Zooz (a different token than the Zooz token) are being distributed by using the mining application. These tokens will be exchanged into Zooz tokens only upon using the service (e.g. sharing a ride with an endorsed user).

And there's an update also at the beginning of the thread...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822533.msg9191784#msg9191784 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822533.msg9191784#msg9191784)

Most of luck to this initiative

I really hope we can adopt this system into our transportation systems.
it will make a great difference.

waiting for the iOS and win phone mining app

This is a killer app for decentralized transportation

The presale starts in 7 days: http://lazooz.org/

Dear La'Zooz community & friends,

In the winter of 2013 the passion to create a Realtime Social Ride-sharing service caught fire in our hearts. Since then we have been working day and night to build the infrastructure and models that will enable La'Zooz to become a reality.

With over 70 contributors to the La'Zooz project, and with nearly 2000 beta users already creating their own local transportation networks around the globe, we feel it is the right time to move onto the next step.

We are excited to announce that the first La'Zooz token sale/crowd-funding round
is launching in just 6 days (1st of June) and we ask you to take part and help spread the news.

The core value and essence of La'Zooz is in the community and we have been doing all we can to grow our numbers, keeping the door open to whoever wishes to join in. We believe that now is the time to show that this community can make the difference between a good social campaign and a GREAT one before the sale starts.

How can you help?

With just three simple steps:

• Enter our headtalker campaign page https://headtalker.com/campaigns/real-time-social-ridesharing/ (https://headtalker.com/campaigns/real-time-social-ridesharing/).
• Choose one or more social networks you wish to spread the news through (FB, Twitter, Tumbler) - better the one where you are most active.
• Share with your friends by email, FB, Twitter and Tumbler and ask them to support the La'Zooz Headtalker campaign also.
  

So What happens?

Two days after the opening day of the crowd funding campaign the same post will be published simultaneously on the wall of all the campaign supporters letting everyone knows the sale has started. This will make a huge impact on the social networks algorithms and amplify the reach of the token sale campaign.

What's Next?

As La'Zooz targets mainstream users and backers the Zooz token sale will offer two gateways -

• PayPal and Credit Cards gateway through our Indigogo campaign.
• BTC gateway through the La'Zooz unique bitcoin interface for you BTC lovers.

We will send more info regarding the crowd-funding and token sale itself in the coming days before the sale
and we would love to get your help boosting it by being our first supporters  :)


In the mean while join the ride - spread the news!



The La'Zooz Core Team

lazooz.org (http://lazooz.org)

Twitter - @lazoozorg https://twitter.com/lazoozorg (https://twitter.com/lazoozorg)

facebook - https://www.facebook.com/lazooz.org (https://www.facebook.com/lazooz.org)

Before buying some zooz to support you, because your project is cool, will you be implemented in Ethereum ?

We are planing to put a token stabilazation mechanism on our last milestone after the token sale.
This mechanism will be implemented using ethereum as the other option (doing it using bitcoin 2.0) has security implications (centralized fund).

Zooz token sale first glimpse

Sale will start in less than 48 hours (Monday, 1st of June 2015, 18:00 GMT)

https://i.imgur.com/seIWoik.jpg
    A glimpse into the Zooz token sale BTC web interface. Numbers are for demonstration purpose only.


During the 30 day token sale, La’zooz community offers to sell zooz tokens at a discount from the reference price.

Early purchasers will enjoy a larger discount.
The price of the zooz tokens increases every 24 hours by one step (see Fig. 1 for the zooz price as a function of the number of steps taken).

Furthermore, if at a certain day the amount of tokens that were purchased exceeded the amount of the previous day, the zooz price increases by one step. Hence, the zooz token price increases during the sale with time and with demand.

Examples:

• If during the sale not a single day exceeds the sales of the previous day - there will be only 30 steps, closing the sale with a rate of about 1z=0.008$.
• If the sale is very successful and on each day the sales exceeds those of the previous day, each day the price will rise in 2 steps, getting to the reference price on the 23rd day, leaving the sale on a stable price for the last 7 days.
  

https://i.imgur.com/1boPzn7.jpg
 
  Figure 1: The zooz price as a function of the number of steps taken.

All bitcoins that will be used to purchase zooz tokens during the sale will go to a multi-sig coinbase vault where 2 out of 3 signers are needed in order to release funds.

Auditors and multi-sig signers will be published shortly among other details... stay tuned!

How many total coins are there?

From La'Zooz white paper draft to be published tomorrow:
Since the La'Zooz community intends to create a token that will be used for transportation needs on a daily basis, our final aim is to create a token with minimal change in price so users will be using the token instead of holding to it. To do this, we will implement at a later stage a stabilizing mechanism using one of several options already being under development.
Two options the La’Zooz community is exploring these days -

• Vitalik Buterin proposal from the Ethereum blog https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/11/search-stable-cryptocurrency/ (https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/11/search-stable-cryptocurrency/)
• The half pegging mechanism developed by La’Zooz community that will be published soon.

In short, the future protocol aims to create a situation that the zooz token has a stable price while early contributors (such as the token sale purchasers, and early developers) are rewarded by the fact that the amount of zooz tokens in their wallet increases.

Unlike other crypto tokens, the amount of Zooz tokens is not capped nor fixed and more tokens will be issued in later times upon demand of users, needing more tokens for their rides.

At this stage the details of the future protocol are still a work in progress. Furthermore, we believe that the future protocol will be ideal to use when the community will grow significantly and reach closer to the critical mass of users needed for the service to run.
At present time, as the community is still rather small, we use a transitional protocol which we believe is more suitable for this early stage in a way it is supporting the needs of development the community is facing at this stage.

More info about this protocol will be published tomorrow...

Is it at all related to this?

La'Zooz White Paper is out.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8DXTngEHOSmN2ZzTDJBTHppc1E/edit (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8DXTngEHOSmN2ZzTDJBTHppc1E/edit)

Welcome to read and share your comments, suggestions and feedback.

Zooz tokens sale will be opened today in less than 8 hours - 18:00 GMT.

Help us spread the news through your social media channels by supporting our campaign.
https://headtalker.com/campaigns/real-time-social-ridesharing/ (https://headtalker.com/campaigns/real-time-social-ridesharing/)

A huge THANK YOU to all La'Zooz community members out there that are making this happen!

good luck and big success in the crowdsale!!!

We are happy to announce that Vitalik Buterin, co-founder of Ethereum, will be acting as La'Zooz's road-map auditor, alongside with Craig Sellars from Omni Foundation.

The road-map determines the milestones according to which funds, being raised during the token sale, will be released from the multi-sig vault into the Dev team account.

The coinbase vault needs 3 out of 5 signatures to release funds - 2 keys are held by La'Zooz members, 2 keys by Omni leading members, and 1 by Ethereum member (not Vitalik).

This way supporters of the project can be sure that their funds will be used according to a well kept auditing procedure.
As the Zooz token price function was engineered to remain low as long as no big traction was achieved - the token's price is still very close to the initial rate it was sold at the opening of the sale - 10 days ago. That makes it still a good opportunity for the project's supporters to help make this vision come alive.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114525/vitalik-buterin-to-audit-lazooz-decentralized-ridesharing-project (http://cointelegraph.com/news/114525/vitalik-buterin-to-audit-lazooz-decentralized-ridesharing-project)

More news regarding the road-map to be published soon...

Join the ride...

La'Zooz Community hangout is here!

Tomorrow, Monday 15.6 7pm GMT.

Your place to ask the core contributors to the project anything you have in mind regarding the project and the token sale.
This is the link to La'Zooz youtube channel, where the hangout will take place.
You can submit your questions in advance or during the hangout through the chat (if time permits).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPnERbAMog4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPnERbAMog4)

"Proof-of-Movement" is a marketing stunt. The methods LaZooz described in this thread are not sufficient to prove anything and offer a vast potential to be spoofed and abused in all the ways something can possibly be spoofed and abused.

A smart phone environment can be easily simulated with a Android / iOS emulator and all API calls to GPS, WiFi data, contact book or any other data source can be replaced by stub calls that will spoon-feed precomputed data to the application. Regarding cross-checking, it is extremely naive to believe that you will be able to do cross-checking before the network is in the 7 digits or more figure. The sheer size of the global road network makes the probabilities of passing at the same place as another user vanishingly small particularly in rural areas. And even where / when cross-checking becomes feasible, a spoofer can easily setup multiple bots that will corroborate each others data. And if that's not enough, the spoofer can feed the simulation with some actual data from a couple hours of wardriving session that can be used to seed enough matching points to pass the threshold of plausibility. And that's just for the pure spoofing angle. Replay attacks are even more trivial and there is very little LaZooz can do to tell appart a spoofer and someone legimitimately driving the same road everyday if all the data fed to it is legit real-world data. So all a spoofer would need to do is collect data along a couple of realistic trips and then replay the data to LaZooz with some timing variation for the sake of realism.

Proof-of-Movement is a sham. Claim-of-Movement would be a more accurate term.

Thank you for mentioning that. At the early days of La`Zooz we thought that we could achieve proof of movement but as we went on this has proved to be a minor part of our vision and therefore your wording suggestion is adequate and we will try to use "claim of movement" on future documents.

Because proof of movement is not the main issue here we have created an application token named Road zooz that will be used internally for paying matching fees to the network but would not be tradable. therefore it will take out the incentive to create bots and will still encourge use of the app by people who want to use the service.

We have also created road mining protocol to incentivize the creation of networks of users and not just driving with the app https://docs.google.com/document/d/1un5ezOfKjbqp1eBpRtyEcT0aqjYqnZFVccvvhx3y2sw/edit#bookmark=id.wvpzlsyfr1kk (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1un5ezOfKjbqp1eBpRtyEcT0aqjYqnZFVccvvhx3y2sw/edit#bookmark=id.wvpzlsyfr1kk)

Well, the destribution is over. Are we going to hit an exchange?

Yes!
We are currently in touch with Masterxchange and Holytransaction. Hope to have several more soon.
Hopefully by the end of July.

If anyone here would like to make the connection with more exchanges that will be interested to trade Zooz tokens - please make an intro by email to info@lazooz.org.

Thanks

I would recommend contacting Poloniex, they seem to be pretty friendly to Omni assets traded on their exchange.

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Cool idea but I'm on the fence. This may have already been covered but it's hard to find from my phone.

1) what is the converstin rate from road zooz to zooz
2) how many coins are there
3) I know this number can be hard to pin point but what does your team speculate the end value per zooz to be given it is successful.

1. Look at La'Zooz white paper to see the road zooz algorithm. Road zooz won't be trade-able but be used for in-app payment for services (paying for a ride).
2. Zooz tokens are not capped but will be continuously issued as the usage grow. Using a stabilizing mechanism to keep the zooz token volatility low as possible so users can actually use it for daily transportation needs. The team checks for the right mechanism for that- schellingcoin, Nubits and alike.
3. The current index price for Zooz token is 1z=0.01$ see more about it in the white paper (it's the global average price for 100m of driving a private car). You will get more tokens in your wallet as the project grows.

La'Zooz white paper can be found here -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8DXTngEHOSmN2ZzTDJBTHppc1E/view  (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8DXTngEHOSmN2ZzTDJBTHppc1E/view)

More about stabilized coins by Vitalik Butterin can be found here
https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/11/search-stable-cryptocurrency/ (https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/11/search-stable-cryptocurrency/)

Any good news about exchanges?..

What about HT??

There's some news for iOS and win-phone apps?

shame this project never started heh

For some reason the la'zooz app never sees the GPS on my android smartphone?

other apps that need GPS start using it when it is turned on but la'zooz doesn't?

Any ideas?

Edit: today it dit registrate some km's although not all. I am stil a bit puzzled how this works....

Nothing here but there are updates on the twitter (https://twitter.com/lazoozorg). Devs, can you post something a bit more detailed? Ex. what you are currently working on, progress, etc. I'd like to hear that. Thanks.

Lazooz's dev are looking for iOS developers

https://twitter.com/lazoozorg/status/644978736492769280

For fucks sake will we ever see updates, exchanges, progress or something?.. You devs shouldn't behave like this otherwise noone will invest in the next rounds.

Btw, is there a trading thread for the ZOOZ tokens?

this project was insane and amazing, sadly never reached an exchange

Well, I created an off-exchange trading: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1269337
Here we go!

How do I move my Road Zooz to another phone? I've exported the private key but it's not possible to import it on the new phone. It says that the QR-code is not a valid address. I could import the public key however but is it safe to continue mining Road Zooz without the private key imported?

Is this still alive?

No, the jews ripped us off.

Whats the status? this project seemed so promising!

 Unfortunately, few people are using the app in a test mode. No news from the devs, quite disappointing. Don't tell me the project is dead ). Not again.

 I've seen some facebook activity recently. Lks like they are planning to use DAO.

It was a good idea, too bad it didn't come to fruition.

Fuck it, forget this scam guys. Nothing's gonna be released. Jews are always failure.

Google keywords: scam, vaporware, failed project, hipsterware, start-ups, SHAY ZLUF, EITAN KATCHKA, MATAN FIELD (stay from these shitty mismanaged entrepreneurs).

 Seems dead, howbeit, any news ? I'm glad I didn't invest a lot.