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If airlines will fly to Africa, Ebola will come everywhere  :-\ What you guys think ?

I think maybe you don't understand how Ebola is spread. It's not airborne, so there is no risk of it going anywhere on a plane except through people who are already infected. People are only contagious if they are showing symptoms, and if they are showing symptoms, they obviously should not be allowed on a plane. As for transmission, it is spread only by direct contact with an infected person's bodily fluids.

On the whole, that makes it unlikely Ebola will spread because airlines don't stop flying to Africa. The cases that have arrived in the US were people who went to Africa because of the outbreak, either as care workers or to cover it for the media, and then were brought back for treatment. I think the risk is very low.

Everybody is freaked out by Ebola. But it really is not as bad as many other diseases. Your chances of dying from pandemic flu are orders of magnitude greater than Ebola. And don't even get me started about auto accidents, we all know people who died in an auto crash.

Ebola in this case is also spread through air, if I understand all right. Previously yes - it was spread through body fluids only.

This is not true at all. You are misunderstanding. It is spread only through bodily fluids.

Ebola virus infection occurs only by direct contact with the blood or body fluids of a person after symptoms have developed. Body fluids that could contain ebolaviruses include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen. No other infection method has been found.  The virus can spread fast but it's unlikely to infect the entire world.  Risk of death is 50% but that depends on which type of Ebola virus (it's a group). About 5000 cases have been reported in 2014, and this may be a wrong estimate, while the population size of Liberia alone is 4.092.310.   I think the virus will spread more, possibly also on other continents and eventually it will disappear.  I do not think the entire populations of countries will die, which of course is a good news story to tell but perhaps far from reality.

Do not trust government. They said before that no one infected with ebola could ever reach US. They lied.

Inconvenient then we would need to kill all airplane travel whenever an outbreak of any sort occurs
As long as they are healthy when on the plane its fine more less.
Although people can be denied travel if they appear ill enough to warrant it

Ebola must be treat will carefully & globally.

Every Airport must make some procedure of high security standard to check passengger's condition that come from Africa.
So we can minimize this threat as much as possible

False, Ebola virus certainly has aerosol transmission capabilities under certain circumstances. In Equatorial(west included) Africa with temperatures rarely dropping below 60 degrees F and high humidity the aerosol stability of the virus is quickly diminished so it would be difficult for the virus to be airborne. but the virus prefers to be airborne in colder temperatures and low humidity(dry) conditions.

I'm not talking out of my ass on this one, extensive research has been made by USAMRIID since the 90's regarding aerosol transmission of ebola.

As others have already mentioned, it is not airbourne therefore there is a low risk. But I also think you should brush up on your Geography. You say 'If airlines will fly to Africa', I'm not sure if you're aware, but Africa is larger than the size of the US, China, India, Mexico, Peru, France, Spain, Papua New Guinea, Sweden, Japan, Germany, Norway, Italy, New Zealand, the UK, Nepal, Bangladesh and Greece combined and the Ebola outbreak is in a relatively small part of west Africa, therefore it would be ludicrous to suggest airlines should not fly to Africa on this basis. That is as stupid as saying someone should not go to the USA because some people in Montreal (Canada) had the flu.

Actual scientists have been trying to tell people that Ebola isn't that easily contracted but the news networks keep insisting on spreading bullshit, you basically have to be in contact with a patient for as long as the nurse who contracted it was in order to get it.

But of course, you go ahead and believe that the zombie apocalypse is coming and it spreads through the water supply and air while ignoring people who are way more intelligent than you.

Several African nations have restricted or banned air travel from Ebola-stricken countries, and airlines including Kenya Airways, British Airways, Air Cote D’Ivoire and Nigeria's Arik Air have suspended flights from the countries.
Maybe its the right choice for other country to follow this action.

Mother Earth needs to try an protect the planet from the path of destruction we have set on it. Lethal infection is a good way do it with minimal destruction. But if that fails, expect natural disasters to continue to rise in magnitude.

@crackfoo I don't think we need to blame Gaia for this lol. We can blame ourselves for not putting more effort into finding a cure sooner, and protecting the countries at risk. Then climate change will take care of the rest. : /

@Sunderland banning air travel isn't always a good idea. People can travel through land borders and it will be harder to follow the spread of the virus.

It is generally easier to catch the flu then it is to catch ebola as the flu is an airborne disease while ebola can only be spread via bodily fluids, and after, just prior to when you are showing symptoms (there is a very short time prior to showing symptoms that you can spread it). 

In theory someone could spread the disease if they were to sneeze in an airplane as the fluid from their sneeze would get into the air and someone could breath in that fluid. The fact that airplanes use recycled air increase these chances

Well that or you can just do a North Korea
Complete Airboycott regardless of country of origin that one sort of amused me
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/world/asia/north-korea-to-bar-foreign-tourists-over-ebola-fears.html

Well I'm not concerned about Ebola spreading around the world, after all a virus gotta do what a virus gotta do. What interests me however, is what goes through the mind of such a magnificent virus in it's spare time, that is when it's not efficiently, methodically destroying other living beings. Food for thought?  ::)

I believe that those flying to the USA and EU from the most affected countries should be quarantined.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/25/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Hundreds of millions people in the USA and EU have the right NOT to be infected with Ebola, or to quote Spock:
"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

Someone cares about North Korea?  ;) ;D

Well of course the New York Times cares
It's part of the constant news stream on their friends there  ;)

That said Ebola is gradually getting spread so still worth watching in the long term.

That's why Obama sent troops rather than doctors and nurses to Africa to fight ebola. If they find anyone with ebola, they are supposed to shoot on sight and burn the bodies. These troops must know that they can never come back.

:)

Every country can say that, and it would just isolate the affected countries. But it wouldn't stop people from those countries to cross land borders anyway, and make the spread of the disease harder to track. And then the people that would leave first are those you need to stay there to keep the economy working and the country running. It would just make the situation worse. : /

Again, how many people catch HIV from flying?

Americans know very little about science. It should come as no surprise that they are enacting stupid policy vis-à-vis  Ebola.   

Don't be daft. Nothing of the sort is going on. Don't be the typical internet poster, posting unsubstantiated and baseless "facts."

^ But then he wouldn't have anything to post! xD
Maybe they could get away with some of those killings, but someone would notice it happening sooner or later. And there would be no support for not allowing the troops to return. Of course they could get infected as well, but even then. : /

Well in my country Italy there are some regional councils that are thinking about closing local borders, lol. It's completely pointless and stupid, but media around here are making a good job at scaring people, as always. It was the same story with SARS years ago, eveyone panicked and you could see people in the streets wearing surgical masks.

Normally I'd say that it doesn't really matter, because all the chemicals that governments are spraying into the air called chemtrails, that are weakening people's immune systems, will allow us to die by all kinds of other diseases anyway, simply because of our weakened immune systems. But the fact that Ebola is patented shows us that they are preparing for mass extinction of people around the world without chemtrails.

While it isn't proven yet, I think that we will find that 3 of the best protections against Ebola and chemtrail weakening of the immune systems are, ozone therapy, hydrogen peroxide therapy, and Jim Humble's MMS (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/humblemmsandcancer07jan12.shtml, http://jimhumble.org/, http://mmsnews.org/). Why? Because these three are curing people of all kinds of diseases, way better than anything that doctors and hospitals generally offer.

Why don't doctors use them? Because they are cheaper than all get-out. If doctors even let it be known what these 3 could do, it would take the profits of Big Pharma down to near $zero, and the medical as we know it would be destroyed.

 :o

That is not a good idea , isolating some africa countries will make it harder to respond to Ebola.
That will not stop a virus. If airlines stop flying to Africa, we can’t get the people that we need to combat this outbreak, and we can’t get the food and the fuel and other supplies that people there need to survive.”

The reason Obama sent troops rather than doctors to Africa to fight Ebola is that he doesn't believe that there is a cure... or that is what he is indication by his actions, anyway. The troops have been dispatched to execute anyone who has Ebola over there, at least if they are in a position that they might spread the disease.

I wonder what the real reason behind the troops is, since Ebola is patented in the States.

:)

That is a really bad idea.
I dont have any better idea but, I think isolating Africa was really bad idea.

People on airplanes are the least of my concern.... lets get really scary! Oh and it has to relate to BTC too!!!!!


I have been watching how the authorities handle people with EBOLA here in the USA... they are incinerating everything they touch, everything in their homes.
Well I suppose on the surface that is the right way to be safe, but the only problem is. If Ebola is really so contagious and so easy to pass around and
transmitted through body fluids off of "objects" the person touched... then what about Currency? You know Paper Bills? Fiat or whatever else you want to call it.

Think about it... an Ebola Carrier no matter where they are in the world, starts feeling badly, lets say running a fever, sneezing and so on and so forth,
Alot of the times they will head to the Pharmacy for some remedy... Pays cash and the cash goes into the till. Someone else comes along gets the bill
in change and then goes and spends it somewhere else.

Or the Ebola Carrier gets off the plane, buys a drink in the airport or takes a taxi some place or whatever, getting currency into the system.
That infected? Currency Bill gets passed around oh say 10 times in the 72 hour period they say Ebola Virus can live on the surface of things.
That bill is the perfect conduit of passing the virus around more than anyone on an airplane can pass it around.  

It may sound far fetched maybe it is? but... why would the Authorities be seizing everything an Ebola Carrier has and burning it... if they didnt believe that to be the case?
Many scientist have speculated the Spanish Flu of 1918 that killed 10s of millions of people was passed around via currency also.


Now you want to be scary... there is your scary Ebola Scenario and if it were to be proved to be true, can you imagine the populace reaction to currencies and the alternative
methods of paying for things?

Never thought of this. Internet Bitcoin money might be the recipient of a gigantic boost when governments start limiting currency to the Net. I should probably get a smartphone, and some more bitcoins.

:)

I have my doubts that Governments would touch this issue... they would rather let people die and divert attention away from the transmission source, rather than destabilize their own currency and economies.
Probably why not many have considered this aspect what could happen nor want to consider it.

Can you imagine the long term global economic ramifications if someone actually proved and verified that theory?

Fortunately for us, the flaw in the idea of formal government is that governments are made of people, people who are often extremely ungoverned themselves. This is why many revolutions and rebellions win.

Governments are not that powerful. If they were, they would never fall.

Many of the long-lived governments that we see in the past, are really a succession of governments, all differing from each other, but we still call them by the same name, making it look like a particular government lasted a long time. Consider the different dynasties of Egyptian pharaohs. Even the different Caesars of Rome controlled different Roman governments at times.

And China. We see a "one-word" China. Yet its governments have been varied and multiple over the last 3,000 years.

:)

Well, we both know very well the quality of our regional councillors so do you surprise yourself about such thinking? In Italy We're ignoring even the health risks posed by foreign citizens with TBC (mostly coming from EU's Eastern Europe) to focus on exotic diseases...  :(

Jesus christ, where do you come up with this garbage? Do you ever stop to question your terribly flawed premises? Forget that Ebola patents are not a conspiracy theory, and do not show us anything about planned mass extinction. Just ask yourself what benefit is there to someone doing anything to cause a mass extinction. Mass extinction = economic collapse and the end of society as we know it today. What benefit is there in that, to cause anyone who's left to have a significantly lower quality of life now that society has crumbled. Then question why some government would go through all the trouble of engineering a virus when they could just nuke people if their goal was mass extinction.

Best way to discredit yourself: mention chemtrails in any manner that doesn't involve mocking someone else who said it.

All right! Somebody is listening. Hopefully you will wake up to the facts of chemtrails on time to see how they are destroying the whole planet - before it's destroyed, and you right along with it.

Sure, there's a lot of misinformation out there. But if somebody CAN do something, they WILL. AND they ARE.

Chemtrails are real. All you need do to prove it to yourself, is to observe the skies a little each day - at different times of the day - for a couple of weeks, to see that they are FACT. There have been a lot of complaints about chemtrails lately. They will be harder to see than they were a year ago, because the perpetrators are figuring out methods to make them less visible, just to quell suspicion. But you can still see them if you look.

:)

EDIT: Oh, and thanks. I'm honored that someone would call me Jesus Christ, even though I don't really deserve that title.

Contrails are not chemtrails. Very simple-minded people look at contrails and think: those are clearly not a naturally occurring physical phenomenon, but chemicals designed to leach my brain out. The same type of people who used to throw rocks and spears at the moon during a solar eclipse to stop the moon from 'killing the sun.' The ordinariness of this conspiracy theory is tiring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory)

"There have been a lot of complaints about chemtrails lately." You forgot to finish that sentence with "none of them credible or noteworthy or discussed outside the tinfoil hat factory."

Chemtrails now! Really?

Ask one of my 2nd. grade students what they are. They can explain how water in the atmosphere condenses around particles when the heat from a jet passes through the cold sky.

What are you talking about ???

The US troops are not executing anyone in Africa. If this was going on, there would be public outrage and the US would be guilty of war crimes.

Troops have been dispatched to help the sick, they are not your traditional infantry fighters but are rather soldiers who would help the soldiers who get injured in battle (eg nurse type soldiers)

I don't understand the mentality of stopping flights into the US from West Africa. The chances are if someone shows "Ebola symptoms" coming from Africa it's either Malaria or Dengue Fever.

People should treat Ebola as a public health issue, not a national security matter  ::)

There is also a good chance that it is Ebola, and if it is then everyone on the plane could potentially get infected as air is recycled and their vomit could get into the air circulation system, forcing everyone on the plane to potentially breathe in an infected person's bodily fluids.

Even if this were to not happen, an infected person who is not quite showing symptoms (but just became contagious) could sneeze on someone who would wipe their eye prior to washing their hands, which would cause the bodily fluids to mix and the other person would get infected.

in principle, the Ebola virus is transmitted from the virus through the blood stream, if the threat is managed well then I feel no need to ban the plane to fly to Africa, good governance is to examine all passengers coming and going from and to Africa, where management this is good, and of course, supported by policies and equipment are qualified, I feel no need to prohibit flights to and from Africa, hopefully ...  8)

Right, if flights are banned to and from West Africa citizens will find other ways to get into the country, avenues that are unmonitored.

They can contain ebola.
I would stop outgoing flights...incoming is fine.

Africa is a long way from the US. Flights are the most efficient way that people from africa can get into the US. Most other ways would take almost as long (if not much longer) as the incubation period of ebola.

This isn't just about the US. You can't look at it that way. : / Banning flights will make the disease harder to track and that could allow it to infect more people more quickly.
And trying to isolate these countries will just make people that the country needs to be there to function more likely to leave. That will make the situation worse. : /

Charter flights could still enter the affected countries that could bring in medical help and the normal imports that the affected countries would normally import (like food and medical supplies).

It is just commercial flights (that carry passengers) that should not be able to leave the countries that are affected by ebola. There are several neighboring countries that have prevented the disease to spread into their country by protecting their boarders

Everyone says it is fine having flights come from Africa but would you want to be on a plane where 1/3 of passengers are connecting from Africa?

Hell no.

We have seen a lack of disregard for the safety of others with ebola patients.

1 upper government guy from Nigera killed atleast 5-8 people.

Duncan infected 2 nurses and said he hadn't had contact with any ebola victims.

All it take's is 1 dude from Africa flying here passing out on the plane a few people touching him to wake him up ect.

Then he gets off sweating, ebolad the fuck out, touching shit at the airport coughing exchanging items.

Then he goes to the hospital sits in the waiting room, has contact with people.

God forbid he doesnt make it to the hospital and lays down on the side of the road like you see in Africa and passes. People shake him hey man you good, ambulance comes and grabs him.

or he dies in house after infecting everyone there.

I mean its messed up but you are literally one pump away from infecting hundreds. You and your girl get down, you transfer it, she takes care of the kids they get sick they go to school with ebola. Little kids put shit in their mouths, eat boogers all that junk, they infect other kids and so on.

Then all the people who had contact with him go home, touch their friends and family.

This is how epidemics start.

Even if they didnt have contact with anyone with ebola, they could still have ebola.

Did you have any contact with anyone suffering from ebola?

"no but I ate 5 bats, 3 rats and an ape leg."


If your a US citizen working with DWOB or a Soldier you get quarantined. If your a civilian well dont go to Africa or you have to get cleared to go and you need to be quarantined when you get back.

If your from Africa well you are more than welcome to come back or visit after this epidemic is over.

The three affected countries should have been put in to quarantine ages ago. The real scale of this epidemic remains hidden. One health care worker in Sierra Leone was saying that in that country alone, some 20,000 people have died of the disease. But since most of these deaths have occurred in remote villages, they are not counted as a part of the official statistics.

Neighboring countries have locked down their borders after it became clear that ebola was a bigger problem then it was the last time there was an outbreak. Nigeria for example has prevented anyone from crossing the border into their country and as a result has not had any cases of ebola in more then 21 days which means it is safe to say that no one will develop the disease.   

That's bullshit, Ebola cases have been reported in maybe four African countries. That's nothing relative to the size of Africa

There is a bunch of data on the Ebola map of how its distributed right now but fair enough its more less 3 major 2 minor and a few other cases
Still getting worse though.
Good Old time and its historical data
http://time.com/3554416/ebola-history-map/

Only some of the countries are following the quarantine rules strictly. Even now, there are a lot of international flights departing from Monrovia and Freetown. And the land borders are extremely porous as well.