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I've been thinking of making some sort of brotherhood or fellowship or some masonic group about bitcoins or cryptocurrencies..
Wondering if anyone would join or if its a retarded idea

EDIT 1:

Planned Requirements

• Cryptocurrency Enthusiast
• Knowledgeable about Bitcoin
• PGP Key for authentication

more being planned

So hopefully the group/fraternity/space will be hosting meetups around the world,
arrange shared businesses and help each other out maybe (as we are a brotherhood)

A webpage is also being planned where we'll be showing announcements for meetups, allowing registrations,
and displaying each of our members' partnered businesses

Early contributors will be of high position once we're establised

EDIT 2:

We are now looking for a name, please contact me through PM
email : sirlolicon@hotmail.com or post here to get more info, contribute, or
suggest a name :)

PGP: https://keybase.io/sirlolicon/key.asc

EDIT 3:

RULES SECTION

The rules are still under construction.
as of now, until these are set in stone in our under-construction website,
these are still subject to change.

GENERAL RULES

1. Dishonesty to fellow members of the group will not be tolerated.
Be completely honest, and scamming within BitcoinTalk and the group will NOT be tolerated.

2. Always verify/sign your messages when talking about business and/or contributing to the group.

RULES ON FUNDING

Later on we'll need funds, which will be held by the treasurer(s),
requested by officers to be dispersed and approved by the founders.
     Treasurers will need to verify messages with their PGP signature every time they even think about handling the funds, and treasurers will be chosen by the community

The rest of the members of the group will be a committee in keeping
the officers in check by making votes if the funds should be dispersed.
     Unless the community wants a smaller group of representatives

the founders will have 2/3 voting power with each founder having 1/3 and
the rest of committee will have 1/3 in total.
        If the founders both agree on something and the whole committee disagree, the officers will take part in the vote and have 1/2 voting power in total

Funds will be used for keeping the forum alive or any asset owned by the
group (shares, miners, websites, buildings, companies, etc.)

FORUM^{Under Construction}:
http://cryptic.club/forum

Regards,
SirLolicon

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We could call it the bitilluminati, and when we make our new bit order, the main currency will be bitcoins.

Sounds like a plan!

Now, we can make a secret underground base. Everyone loves secret underground bases. Anyone know any architects?

A secret society forms in a public forum --- anyone else sees the irony in that?

Would there be a secret hand shake and all that stuff ?

I could run the South West of England clan :)

Cheers
Mark

Great idea! The handshake can be a regular handshake, except there is a physical Bitcoin in hand with the words "BiTILlum1nat1" on it. (Bitilluminati) They coin is passed from hand to hand, if you have the exact text, you are a true member of the bitilluminati!

The secret entrance to the base is hidden in the blockchain....

I wasn't thinking of a secret organization,
More of a private, exclusive brotherhood where
We could have private meetups, shared businesses
Extended contacts and the like..

The bitilluminati can have meetings where we have a private meeting on how to make bitcoins through manipulat-er, I mean, uhhhhhhh legal ways! Extended contacts sounds cool! The bitilluminati can have the illumin-er, I meant nice people as the extended contacts!

The difference between the illuminati and the bitilluminati is that the illuminati want a currency where they control it, but the bitilluminati want a decentralized currency in the new bit order

Reminds me of guilds from the old days. It'd be interesting if enough people were interested in the concept

Seems legit!

So is anyone here who isn't trolling willing to give actual feedback and ideas?

I think meet ups are nice.  I wish I could go to more conferences.  I think you could do a group who talks about coins, share knowledge.  It could be really good idea.

I don't know if I would call it a Fraternity.  I don't think having  secret traditions will really happen.  I could see it more to being compared to a hacker space/ maker space.   Would be great if someone started a physical site for people to come anytime and see others who are interested in crypto coins in person.

Done above :).  I think a physical site would really take off.  Just a LOT of work starting. 

Again can look at hacker space/maker space that some cities have.

True, well then it'd be a group at the very least.
I'd like it to be a somehow exclusive group though so itd have some uniqueness compared to other groups

I think a physical location would do this.  Years back I went to a "Hacker Space", was a really nice experience.  I learned everything from computer security to more of the make side of 3D printing.    If you look you will see quite a few Hacker/Maker Spaces.

If you could get a "Bitcoin Space" for lack of better term it would be unique as it having a physical location.  I have been at the start of one of the Hacker/Maker space and can say it's a lot off work.  Specifically if you want to be recognized as a non-profit organization(501 C3). 

Sounds interesting, yeah.
Wanna work on it with me?

Would there be any requirements to join the association?

This sounds better then the bitilluminati sadly

Yes, well first of all a PGP key, for authentication
everything else will still be planned

It seems like something that could definitely happen in the near future. I'm interested! I'm still in the learning process for everything though...haha

Sure :) anyone can join if they fit the requirements..
Any contribution will be appreciated, donations will not be asked for until we officially start up. Early contributors will be placed in a high rank in the group.

Announcement:

Looking for a name for the fraternity/group :)
PM or post here and we'll have a vote for the name

Are you able to modify this thread into a poll thread? Or would you make a new thread for voting/count each post individually? I like the idea of something like "Organization" or "Association" haha. "They're in the Organization/Association" sounds cool

This would be neat, but how would we communicate? On this forum?

Of course not :)
We'll be having our own forum,
also maybe an exclusive mumble server
for voice chatting, or an IRC.

Updated OP again, please contact me or post here for details and stuff.

I have some names but I'm not sure that they will be practical

The fellowship of the coin
Bitilluminati
Unitedbits
Anonbits
The bithood
The coin brotherhood
Akatsubit

I'm sorry but they sound a bit too unprofessional, somehow like a joke.
How does

Conventus Copia sound?

Pretty good! Is that Latin for coin convention?

CRYPTIC

Then the members can be Cryptics who are involved and specialize in Crypto :)

The meeting place can be the Crypt!!!!! online or offline - I would prefer TOR to make this more of an "interesting" group for the conspiracy theorists....

EDIT: Fuck yeah! We can even hold annual meetings like the "Crypterberg Group" so that we have something to talk about.....

TALES FROM THE CRYPT!!!!!

PS: I am not joking or trolling btw. I really like the name :)

PPS: When do we start?
Can we all like work together on projects and benefit mutually?

BTW, OP you do realize that we (everyone involved) would have to create and follow certain rules - THE CRYPTO LAW - of the group right?

Lot's of work to get this going but count me in.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

HAHAHAHA! +1 to you sir

I actually really like this name, +1 to Cryptic. OP, are you gonna post a new poll thread/edit this one?

Cryptic sounds good. I'm gonna make a new thread-poll for choosing the name,
but I'm keeping this one for announcements and such :)

Yeah, there will be a law,
but it should be agreed upon by the people who
contribute in the early days of the group

Sounds good! First rule

"Thou shall not scam your fellow members"

Great first rule :)

May I expand to: Thou shall always be honest with the group
Or
Honor amongst Cryptics....

Just to cover the entire honesty thing amongst group members :)

Sounds like a plan guys,
so if any of you were to become early contributors, what would you contribute
to the group?

First of course, we would need a treasurer.
We already have 2 founders. Also some other officers and
people to hold meetups and initiate projects.

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RULES ON FUNDING

Later on we'll need funds, which will be held by the treasurer(s),
requested by officers to be dispersed and approved by the founders.
     Treasurers will need to verify messages with their PGP signature every time they even think about handling the funds, and treasurers will be chosen by the community

The rest of the members of the group will be a committee in keeping
the officers in check by making votes if the funds should be dispersed.
     Unless the community wants a smaller group of representatives

the founders will have 2/3 voting power with each founder having 1/3 and
the rest of committee will have 1/3 in total.
         If the founders both agree on something and the whole committee disagree, the officers will take part in the vote and have 1/2 voting power in total

Funds will be used for keeping the forum alive or any asset owned by the
group (shares, miners, websites, buildings, companies, etc.)

Regards,
SirLolicon

I can handle most if not all of our design/web design needs.
I also do some coding :) (for personal projects)
That being said I can find my way around Java, JS, PHP, MySQL, AS2 & AS3 (and some others which I don't usually use unless it's necessary)
I am no guru but have a lot of determination, so when I wanna get thiungs done, even if it's something I don't know, I learn it.

Apart from the above I also have great business and software ideas which I cannot pursue on my own.
The group might decide that some of my ideas could be profitable for us, then we could all work together to accomplish them and benefit mutually.

I am sure that I can contribute more than that to the group, so expect me to post more on the subject.
(Sorry I am supposed to be working now :) but I will get back to this later)

 

Sounds like a good enough contribution :)
if you could get the front page of our under-construction website up and running, that'd be great :)
you earn yourself a high rank in the group once we make the ranks.

Anyone else?

Crap!
It seems that someone beat me by 20 years (on the domain I mean).
http://cryptic.com/ (http://cryptic.com/)
http://whois.domaintools.com/cryptic.com (http://whois.domaintools.com/cryptic.com)

Setting up a page is no problem for me.
We need a domain though.....

Has the name been decided yet?

I had attempted to register cryptic.com but it's taken.
Ofcourse we can try .org .io and many others.

We need a name first so that I can design our logo and everything else.

Also, I believe we need to really work on the rules and hierarchy (ranks) to make this as fair as possible for everyone.
Meaning that a higher rank comes from high contributions (not just money contributions but in general - money will be generated from our work contributions :) and split accordingly to all members participating in that specific project).
A member can choose to participate by contributing (money or time/work) in a project.
They can choose not to if they believe it will not be successfull.
I believe it will be fair that way and motivate members to contribute more to get a higher rank and also keep things fair when it comes to how they choose to invest time or money.
Just a thought :)

EDIT: Let me elaborate.
Let's say one of our members presents to us a web-shop idea/project.
If I believe his/her idea will be successfull I can contribute by developing the website (which will be my contribution on the project).
If I don't then I will choose not to.

Well,
since we've kinda already decided that we're using Cryptic,
why not .org for cryptic org?

cryptic.org was not available either.

I took the liberty to register cryptic.club since we are more or less a club :)

Please allow me some time to work on our logo and website.
(Sorry like I said I am at work, I will do this on my free time)

That's really nice of you!
Let's hope we get this up and running
with a few. Once Cryptic gets some funds, we'll be sure to repay you :)
(or in about 3 weeks when I get my salary and buy some bitcoin)


I'm not really one for tattoos, but if you want one, and a few other members wanna join in,
you're free to go and get one!

No need to repay me.
Consider it my first contribution to the group :)

Let's hope that others can also see the potential in this.
How many are we so far btw?

Currently there are 5 of us in this thread interested in joining
who aren't trolling.

When we release, we'll be posting in the Service Announcements and hopefully get more people there.
Also, I'll be posting in BTCVice and advertising it on CoinChat to get a bigger audience if possible.

You do know the term "cryptic" refers to "hidden" monsters like bigfoot and the Jersey Devil.

I guess that's quite alright since we were supposed to be a masonic group at first,
or a cryptocurrency club so i think it sounds good enough.

Think of it more as CRYPTIC rather than CRYPT-IC

Quick addon to our rules - if accepted by all.

When sharing - discussing ideas for projects so that all the members can participate if they want, the person that suggests the idea/project must first make sure that he/she and the entire group are covered by submitting their (encrypted) idea on the blockchain and have it timestamped forever!!!!

That way the group and the person sumbitting the idea are the undisputable inventors.

Just a though :)

Sounds practical :)
I'll put it up on the temporary rules until we have enough members to dispute on them

To expand, we can write our own app to do this or use: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524877.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=524877.0)

I think that getting members to trust the group will be our biggest problem.
So ANYTHING we can do to prove that this is legit, is definitely welcome :)

Well, we can rediscuss that some other time, maybe have someone develop that some day.
We can also use CryptoGraffiti as a temporary solution to the issue :)

Looking forward to see what this brings :)

Drop the pseudonyms.


Cheers

Graham

Care to elaborate Graham?

Join in and find out :)

Or you can also follow this thread :)

The pseudonymous account that we engaged with last month could have been sold and be under the ownership of an entirely different person today. This awareness does moderate the degree of my interaction with other bcttalk subscribers.

The rules should state that pseudonyms are unacceptable and that applications for membership will only be considered if a verifiable real world name, address and contact details are provided.

Not that I expect anyone to care but I wouldn't even consider being a member otherwise. We're business professionals so we publish our full contact details and VAT registration number, not just because EU consumer regs specify it but primarily because we respect the intelligence of our clients, current and prospective.

http://minkiz.co
http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.net
http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.com


Cheers

Graham

Hi again Graham,

Thanks for being more specific.

That being said, I (as in personally) will not engage in anything that doesn't have my back covered.
I wouldn't expect anyone else to go for it either.
That is why I have suggested some things to the OP and will suggest MANY more to be reviewed as part of the "law".

That being said, whithout knowing to WHO or WHERE my time or money (BTC) is going I will not participate in this.

That means that YES, I expect the ones who would be voted or ranked to the high positions to provide their real life credentials in order for me to participate fully in this.

That information however, I would expect to remain within the group - since if I ever get to a high rank, my details would be available to all members.

Now, as far as having my account hacked or sold I do not know how I can prove to you that I am me.
Any ideas?
Let me know :)


EDIT: Btw, I have noticed that this thread has somehow sparked your interest.
Wanna join in and help make this as fair as possible?

You, as a club member whose identity I can rely on, can tell me, (as another club member), that you control the S4VV4S bcttalk a/c. I would have little reason to doubt that as a fact and even less reason to promulgate it.


I'll stick around, sure but I reckon that the group will struggle for coherence while the objectives are so vague (“some sort of brotherhood or fellowship or some masonic group about bitcoins or cryptocurrencies”) and there's a consequent lack of clarity of vision. The end result is that people are uncertain about precisely what they're signing up to.

The notion of primacy=rank and an exclusive set of “founders” is fatally flawed as it will effectively ossify the incumbents in place. Any properly egalitarian group would start from a single status (member), have an initial vote to determine the club officers and be able to rely on a well-defined process for progressing through the ranks for those who join later and have the inclination to do so. A group needs to be at least capable of fluidity in order to be able to accommodate the inevitable changes in the collective requirements of the membership.

We used to be members of Bristol Corinthian Yacht Club (https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=bcyc+sailing+club&hl=en&ll=51.284682,-2.799454&spn=0.041926,0.08626&hq=bcyc+sailing+club&hnear=Bristol,+City+of+Bristol,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=14), they've been around since the 1930s and, in common with many small, organic, semi-formal groups, they have a set of documented procedures for easing the flow of people in and out of positions of responsibility.

I'd be quite surprised if there isn't a richesse of sources of templates for setting up and administering online groups, which basically already embody a set of best practices for the task.

The main issue for me is the lack of clarity of objectives and a certain lack of purpose; it seems to have developed more along the lines of “Hey, we could start a club” as opposed to “Hmm, we really need to set up an objective group that can foster users' interests by making supported, canonical pronouncements on best practices in a variety of operational aspects of cryptocurrency” (as an overly verbose example off the top of my head).

I recommend starting with the construction of a manifesto that describes plainly and clearly the aims of the group and what people can expect from membership. We constructed one for us and our clients and found it to be a challenging but ultimately satisfying exercise: http://www.higginsandmacfarlane.net/manifesto

Cheers

Graham

1) That is exactly what I am suggesting to the OP.
Like I said I will only follow what I think it is best for me and the group.
So, verifying my identity is not a ptoblem to me and I would expect other member to do the same, :)
(Glad we agree there).

2) Please do stick around we need you!!!!
That being said, you do realize that this popped up from the OPs idea yesterday (and has moved quiite a bit I might say) right?

Please DO keep around WE NEED ALL the info on what can go wrong so we can plan from now.

3) Though I am not authorised to do so* I will ask you to stick around and put our methods to the test as much as possible.
That will give us the info we need to make this work ;)

4) Look at 3 :) This is the beginning... You wanna be a part of it or not?
The rules have NOT been written yet and the OP made it clear:
THE ENTIRE GROUP NEEDS TO AGREE!!!!

*OP can I ask what exactly is my position (rank) so far on this?
Sorry I need to ask :)

Graham has many valid points, and he knows what he's talking about. Objectives need to be specified as members will have a greater urge to join if their goals match Cryptic's goals. That being said, S4VV4S, if you ever want additional help on the web design, I could help; I'm a novice web designer who's rusty, but I could pick it back up and help if you wanted some assistance. Aside from that, I don't know what I could really contribute, as I mentioned in a previous post.

Bro, I personally welcome you on our team,
however I do not know my rank yet ( and even though I would like to set up the design/web design team) it is NOT up to me.

I am still waitting on an answer on what my position is here....

EDIT: Also, Graham is a person I WANT in our team.
I need someone (or more) to put us to the test, if you know what I mean ;)

You can ONLY get peoples trust by proving you are trustworthy ;)

If we need some personalized banners and stuff, I also have quite a few friends (and a girlfriend who's quite good) who're pretty good at graphic design, potentially for free, but I'm sure compensation would be a good incentive. As for me, I can contribute to the website. I don't really mind my position title, as it wouldn't really be something I'd put on a resume haha

Alright, I see Graham's concerns.

I will address it in a few, let me just compose myself.
But for now let me just assure you, I have not and will not sell,
nor give my account away to anyone.

I know that that isn't quite reliable, but we'll find a way to
sort this issue out.

Let's get one thing clear, for the both of us (as I do not know what the OPs plans are).

NOBODY works for free in "my" group.
Everyone get's conpensated accordingly to their contribution.

Your girlfirend or any other of your friends (now that recruitment is up I am guessing) that likes our group and is willing to follow the rules, pays jack shit but their commitment to this.

If the OP dissargrees I would like to know.
(Yes I can also invest BTC in this but, I thought this was about creating an opportunity for eveyone involved. IF an opportunity arises from an idea/project of a member I will definetiley invest more).

So, if I am correct (I hope I am) the OP will be victorious by providing equal opportunities for ALL members.
(hard work, I know... told ya so... none the less I am still in).

Haha, they're not bitcoiners; we're all college students choosing different ways of spending time, so not sure if they'd necessarily become members. Fair compensation is always a major incentive. I'm an officer of the badminton club at my school, and last year we compensated the t-shirt designer ~$50 and a free shirt, and we had over 40 submissions, as opposed to 15 the year prior.

They are not bitcoiners?
Is that a shame?
Nope, they have just not been Enlightened yet!

None the less, they are exactly what the BTC community wants.....
People to realize the benefits of BTC and Crypto - Cryptics in general ;)

Once again, we (taking thge liberty again) are recruiting.....

Wanna be an innovator or a follower?
(in short, would you mind being called Satoshi - for a reason?)
Your choice ;)

This is turning into something big! I'm in right? Also we should make it a bit more clear what this groups goal is.

Yeah, they're not bitcoiners, haha. So I have a question, specifically to the OP: is this intended to be open to anyone, or only to a select few? Personally, I feel that a select few would suffice and be more successful in the long run, particularly since then the members will be more goal-oriented.

Alright I see that I have many things to answer.
First of all, to Graham.

Right now the group will try to make a manifesto, thanks for your suggestion by the way.
Honestly, our vision is for people to be a bit closer and have at least a few people of the total bitcoin community
to be disciplined in the way of bitcoin trade. The group would hopefully be an incentive for not being the typical
scammer or market crasher of bitcoin, and also to be able to raise the markets and pique other people's interest
to partake in the cryptocurrency world.

Not much for now but it's a summary of a big work in progress.

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SuperhiTech

Sure, you're in for now I guess, but we'll be looking for more requirements when we're more established.
(PGP Key, Email, a signed message saying you agree to the rules agreed upon by the people)

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General:

Since the agreement of most of the current members including myself with Graham's statement,
the founders seats no longer have power.

Ranks Proposed:

Main Head (WiP name):
Leader of the entire organization. Has the power to cancel any transaction, can make
changes to the organization, changes to rules, state of being to be voted by the entire body.

District Head:
Leaders in different physical locations, headed by the main head him/herself,
hosts meetups, controls treasurers, voted on by the district bodies.

Treasurer:
Holder of the group's funds, multiple people with a max of (?)
holds a private key of a wallet. Group's funds will be distributed equally to the
wallets. Every transaction made by each treasurer may only be authorized by
at least one (1) District Head or Main Head or all Administrators.
Every transaction request made must be posted in the forum for the whole body to know
at most a day before the transaction is made, during that period, other District Heads, the Main Head,
or an Administrator may cancel the transaction request with a valid reason.

Administrator:
Administrator of the site and forum, will be an active support here on Bitcointalk
and power to recruit / decline members that register. Voted on by members on the forum.

Moderator:
Moderates spam in the forum (more added with suggestions)

Member:
Official members of the organization (Cryptic)
can attend meetups and make businesses part of the
partnership with Cryptic, can vote on leaders. Can make loans
from the funds of the organization with a district head and treasurer with valid reason supplied,

Every privilege except Treasurer's are inherited across higher ranking
members (High to Low)

These are subject to change

After further discussion

By the way, S4VV4S

If you can, please install a forum software in the website so we can discuss there and start working on things already :)
By the way, if none of you have seen yet, the under-construction website is

http://cryptic.club

I would help S4VV4S, if you provide me with the login credentials. Most likely I'd have to start next week, however, seeing as I have two midterms coming up in the next 7 days.

Hi guys,
please allow me some time to get back home and I will install SMF (the same software of this forum).
Then I will PM SirLolicon with the admin details. ( I will also transfer the domain to the entire group once we have formed and know what we are doing:))
DO GIVE IT HELL!!!!!!

It is an "alpha" stage so go through the forum software as thoroughly as possible.
Don't worry if you fuck up. That is the point, to know what can go wrong ;)
Do it from now :)

Also, @AnonBitCoiner
I am not in the position to provide anything.
(Especially not login details).
That will obviously need to be voted.

However what I can do is make a proposal.

So to all the group members:
I propose that we enrol AnonBitCoiner in my design/web design team and as one of our forum moderators.
He/she has shown interest to this group since the start and has constantly asked to be included as a member and help us.
I believe he/she would be a good "asset" (if I may use that word) for the group.

Please consider my proposal as I cannot stress the fact that promotion will determine the group's projects success or failure.
The better the promotion, the better the success rate.
(remember Doge? it's a shit coin yet it's famous;)) 

So, the more members working on promoting our projects the higher our success rates.
Please consider my proposal.
Thank you :)

Seems like SirLolicon was asking you to install the forum software :P since it seems like we're using provided skeletal forum structures, so I don't know how much hard-coding would even be necessary.

Managing a forum actually isn't too difficult. I've been the webmaster of a couple clubs at school that wanted a simple forum; there are a lot of free forum codes out there, I'd have to do some research to remember which ones I liked using, but as for SMF, I'd have to toy around to learn all the functionalities, though I doubt it'd be that much different from what I'm used to using.

As promised SMF software is up and running.

OP PMed with admin login details.

Please allow sometime for the nameserver changes to become active then cryptic.club should point to the "alpha" version of our forum :)

EDIT: Changes has been reflected!!!!

Please visit: http://cryptic.club/ (http://cryptic.club/)

Not much to see for now I know. Remember this started but 2 days ago......

I like the forum.  I have talked to OP and will be helping some :).

Are you able to make a front page for news, articles, etc.   Have forum as subpage you click on main site to go to? 

As it gets bigger we could add things such as BTC price to it.  And possibly a few other widgets.

Of course I am....
My idea is that cryptic.club will point to the presentation of the group (our promo).
The forum will be for members ONLY access ;)

EDIT: Please excuse my manners :)
Welcome on board ;)

I've checked on the forum and PM'ed you about some issues by the way, S4

PMed you.

ALSO, disregard my PM.

Will re-install software for security reasons ;)

Your login details will be the same.

Will update when re-install is done.

All done.

Please try again and report back.

Thanks :)

Webpage opens up to a blank page, nothing viewable haha. Is there a desired style to how we want the media on the website? Are we gonna have a competition/just ask people we know ourselves to design the banners/stuff?

???

Everything works fine on my side.

I can see the forum (the little bit of it) just fine.

Can you try again and report back please?

EDIT: I get the same problem with TOR.

Try normally without TOR and check back.

Also, no this will not stay.
The website will be moved to it's own dedicated server at some point.
We need to get this started first ;)

Yeah...I don't even have TOR on my computer, so that's not it. It says "The connection was reset" when I try connecting.

Hmmmm,

You should have been seeing this:
https://i.imgur.com/WM0GxeK.jpg

Give it some time.

The domain has been through some forwarding changes.
Maybe it needs so time.

Also, clear you cache and refresh.

Guys, sorry but it is almost 1am here (12:49 to be precise).
I get up at 5am.

I will need at least 4 hours of "beauty sleep" (I would much prefer bootty sleep :) but the misses fell asleep hours ago).

IF the problem persists please contact me.

Once again I have made changes to the domain forwarding so that might require some time.

I will get to it as soon as I get back.

Thank you :)

it's been 5 hours now since you last posted,
now it doesn't really show anything instead of a blank white page. :(

EDIT:
Clearing cache doesn't change anything

Hi, sorry for the delay.
When I said I get up at 5am that is to go to work :)
Also, please update your forum link to:
http://cryptic.club/forum/ (http://cryptic.club/forum/)

I have actually used phpBB as it seems the problem was with SMF.
I can use SMF and figure it out if you guys want.
Personally I want something that works ;)

Your login details are the same.
Once logged in click on ACP or MCP.

Will also work on this more later :)

Hello!
Thanks for the modification :)
Appreciate it, and I'm sure the club will too.

Now that we have a forum in place, we can get it fixed up until we can get a front end up and running.
What would you think would be a good software for the front-end?

Actually,
the user details you provided aren't working,
has it changed?

For the front-end you mean this one?: http://cryptic.club (http://cryptic.club)
It's active btw and says coming soon (VERY PLAIN).

I usually work with WordPress as a CMS so chance are that, that is how our website will be built :)

For the forum we will use phpBB, and make it look MUCH nicer of course :)

Oh, don't forget to add moderators and admins so we can all work together and start shaping things up :)
Create one for me as well as I would expect you to have changed the login details I have provided you with.
(I hope you did).

Thanks :)

Check your PM :)

Pardon me for my misunderstanding, but isn't this a private group? So it's now becoming a public forum?

Yes it is a private group.

The only reason I have allowed public access to the forum so far is to show the progress the group is making.
Apart from that we are still curently rectuiting members.

I am sure that those interested would like to see what improvements we made so far.

Then plan is that by next week (hopefully), http://cryptic.club (http://cryptic.club) will point to the group's online presentation which will contain the profile/rules/manifest/news and new registrations (for now).
The forum will be MEMBERS ONLY ACCESS.

Here is what idea I have for front page looking like (I appolgize for rough draft)

Hi,
Thanks for your submission :)

Check ur PM ;)

There are countless templates for forums out there, and they're all similar. For the appearance of the front page, it looks like a standardized front page, which most forums share. WordPress is good for CMS, and it's straightforward. I'm actually currently managing a webpage for a club using WordPress haha

That is great news :)
Because chances are that the website will be Wordpress based and you will be handling a decent chuck of it (if you want of course) ;)

PMed ;)

Everything sounds good guys! Great contributions.
The forum will be hidden from public after the site is finished. :)

Don't fully understand what you are planning with cryptic, so it's not really my place to judge, but I have a couple of comments regardless:

- The domain choice kind of makes me cringe, I can't help but feel the club word has a childish connotation. On the other hand I like the cryptic part.
- Is PHPBB/SMF an elaborate choice or are you open to other suggestions? If your answer is the latter then please consider using a little bit more modern software:
    * NodeBB https://nodebb.org/
    * Discource http://www.discourse.org/
- For blogging software, I can highly recommend:
    * Ghost https://ghost.org/

I have experience with all of the above, so if you opt to go for those solutions and you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

The ideal domain name would've been cryptic.org, but that's taken, unfortunately. I can't speak for the organization, but I don't think they'd be against suggestions. Modern software is welcome to be experimented with; personally I'm not extremely familiar with either of your listed options, but forum software is pretty much all similar. I think the reason that PHPBB/SMF was decided upon was due to reliable experience in the past.

Congratz on making your first post, btw.  :P

On the domain, yes, I know it isn't the first choice, but it's what was provided
And the .org and .com domains were already taken.

As we said before, even the server itself is temporary as we're on a planning phase.
We're in fact very open to suggestions.

Hmmm I like those suggestions for the software,
I'll try them on a test server and give it a go if it's easy to manage and deploy.

Are you interested in joining Cryptic?
You're free to join as of now, but requirements like PGP Auth
And agreement on the rules agreed upon will be asked from you when we go
As a full blown crypto organization to the public.

Regards,
SirLolicon

Alright so development and activity is quite slow during the weekend.
We'll continue on Monday, but anyone feel free to contribute or do some volunteer work for us here :)

Hey everyone,

We're still looking for people to help out with Cryptic.
please drop me a message or reply here to help out.

Thanks,
SirLolicon

I can modifications to the website once I get the login credentials, haha. Until then, idk what to really do.

What is a PGP Authentication key, specifically? I looked it up, and I get it's a security measure, but what's the purpose

It's useful so we know that the person who owns the account now is still the same person :)

Hey guys,

sorrry I have been on a LOOOOONG weekend (not vacation but it was long).

So, did you miss me? (be honest - honour amongst Crypticts remember ;) )

OK, first I would like to apologize for being a bit late.
Sorry I had to go out of town for the weekend.

That being said, I am back and you can expect the logo (for those who seen the preview) to be ready by tomorrow.

Other than that, I will be in PM discussion with SirLolicon regarding the website.

The plan will proceed as scheduled for those who are interested.

Also for those who want to join please PM SirLolicon.

Thank you :)

Welcome back!
Kinda got worried, and of course we missed you haha.

Let's get everything back on track then shall we.

How does one create one? If you post the PGP keys on the first page, wouldn't that make it available for anyone that would attempt impersonation? haha

Going to be honest with you here when I say that I haven't really gotten into PGP but from what I figure it's like BTC addresses (signing).
You sign a msg with your private key that proves it is you (you own the address). It is then converted to "public" format so that everyone else get's your "public" key and verifies that you are the owner.

Am I right here guys?

So they have your public key. What can they do with that? If everyone has your public key, and you're the only one who has the private key, how would you prove it's you? Still not connecting the dots. Seems like you'd have to share the private key with at least one other person

Well, right now we don't have much of authentication,
but maybe once we get our legit forum up and running we can
start using 2FA Auth so we can be a bit more sure, and using PGP keys
at the same time :)

We'll find a way soon, but I guess it's great that everyone's contributing
ideas and pointing out flaws :)

@Savvas,
any update on the credentials?

Have there been people PM'ing you regarding joining the organization? haha

Hi guys,

I have been in discussion with some very respected members of this community.
Comments have been passed to SirLolicon (and I expoect that he passed it further to all members).

Part of the comments I have received is our name - Cryptic.

It seems that it might not be the best name for the group.

Does anyone have anything else to propose?

Please post your suggestions as we are kind of stuck behind.

Thank you :)

PS: How about just a prime number? e.g 3301 - just an example......

Have you thought of setting up an IRC channel to discuss this?
I have created a temporary channel on freenode we can use:

#cryptic on freenode

feel free to join.

Sounds very interesting. I'm certainly interested at this stage.
Sounds like fun!

Great point Savvas.

Anyway, everyone is welcome as of now,
But later on we will be requiring everyone to have a PGP Key open to the public, and of course agreement to the rules.

Although it's a different technology (typically RSA in PGP/GPG vs. ECDSA in Bitcoin), think of it as working the same way as signing a Bitcoin transaction. Only you have the private key for your Bitcoin address. When you sign a transaction, you publish the public key and the signature. You are still (ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but with the public key and signature it can be mathematically proven that your private key signed the transaction. If you needed the private key to verify that signature, Bitcoin wouldn't work. The math is different, but the concept is the same. When you sign a message with your private key, you're (again, ideally and hopefully) the only person in the world who has the private key, but anyone with a copy of your public key and the message+signature can mathematically prove that your private key signed the message.

Just like with Bitcoin, you never give your private key to anybody, but you can freely publish your public key. The mathematical relationship between the public key and the private key is what makes verifying the signatures (along with other public key cryptographic operations) possible. I'd suggest reading up on public key cryptography. Although it's not necessarily the best source of information, Wikipedia isn't a bad place to start, I know their articles on elliptic curve cryptography are quite easy to read and understand even if you're not a cryptographer or a mathematician.

Being interested in cryptography in general and especially cryptocurrencies, I'm definitely interested in this idea.

Very nice input, and hopefylly made things
Crystal clear to those asking questions
Including myself..

Welcome aboard by the way,
Would you like to help developing our manifesto and rules

As well as the website we're currently constructing?

Hey SirLolicon.

  Why don't you just use a private trello board?

Glad my post was helpful. I've been interested in cryptography for almost as long as I've been interested in computers, which is a lot longer than I care to admit. Actually had an early version of PGP on my first IBM PC compatible machine. Didn't have email back then, but I read all the docs and tinkered with it enough to use it for secure file storage on my massive 20 MB hard drive.. lol.. but back on topic.


I'm willing to help with the website and probably other technical projects. I'm not a graphic designer (although it seems we already have one, so that shouldn't be a problem) but I do know HTML and CSS and I have experience with a few different programming languages, lately mostly Ruby/Rails (admittedly, my PHP is pretty rusty).

Well, will you care to provide us with a barebones blog page with Ruby/Rails?
or anything you can? :)

I see! Thanks! Guess keybase will be useful for this then, haha. Again, I'll be able to help with the website as soon as I get login credentials for the server.

Apparently Savvas hasn't been contacting me lately, so I'm afraid we don't have
the credentials yet.

Maybe he's off every weekend, but I'm not sure.
Let's try using a different host if possible :)

He's contacted me, whereupon I gave him some info to pass along to you guys.

A basic blog in Rails is easy to do if you use an external commenting system like Disqus and not too much more difficult if you want a built-in commenting system. That being said, depending on what features we need and what any other designers and developers working on the site are most comfortable with, a properly configured and hardened Wordpress installation (no cpanel "one click") might be a better choice. I mentioned Rails mainly because the idea of using Discourse for forums was mentioned.

Either way I can get started on a simple Rails blog engine and see if I can come up with something that suits our needs. Most of the required features are either already implemented as gems or trivial to build from scratch. Even if we don't end up using it, it'll be a fun project and shouldn't take up too much of my free time. I'll probably spend more time writing tests than code. :)

If we end up using Rails (for blog, forums, or whatever else) it'll require some setup on the server. The easiest way to deploy a Rails app is to install the Passenger module for Apache or Nginx and let it do all the heavy lifting for you, it also gives you the advantage of being able to run Python and Node.js apps without too much additional setup. If we're on shared hosting that might be a no-go, if we have a vps or dedi it's not hard to install.

Hello again everyone, back from my haitus!
I've been away focusing on my exams the past few days

So, anyone else interested in helping?

I've also been (mostly) away for a few days. Unfortunately I have a friend who is terminally ill and he (understandably) doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in the hospital, so when he and his girlfriend approached me I volunteered my help and my guest bedroom. Money isn't a problem, he's an Air Force veteran and the VA is covering all the medical bills and sending out a nurse a couple times a week, but time is becoming more of an issue as he gets weaker and more forgetful.

Basically I'm around when I can be, and back on-topic, I'm still of the opinion that a pre-packaged software like Wordpress (or maybe Ghost) would probably be a better option for a blog than building something from scratch.

Sorry to hear that. :( I haven't heard anything from any of the other members, so I wonder whether or not this is even going to happen, officially.

Due to lack of support, funding and time i decided to halt development.
sorry everyone.