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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 04:25:51 AM



Title: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 04:25:51 AM
Pirate is in quotes; I don't think he is running a ponzi.  This is an experiment.

0. Wallet starts at 0 BTC.
1. You can open an account by PMing me.  Deposits grow my ponzi wallet balance.
2. I will be crediting 10% a week, on Mondays.  You get partial interest if you deposited after Monday.  You may only deposit/withdraw on Mondays.
3. I will not actually be making any money to pay this "interest."  When I run out of money in my ponzi wallet (and only then), I will post publicly that the experiment has ended and I am bankrupt.
4. Last withdrawal request is filled by however much money is left in my ponzi wallet at the time.


Due to an obvious demand, I have increased the interest rate to 10%!


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: bitfoo on May 25, 2012, 05:09:24 AM
2. I will be crediting 7% a week, on Mondays.  You get partial interest if you deposited after Monday.  You may only deposit/withdraw on Mondays.

Why would anyone use this if they could instead get the same interest rate with pirate, with the added benefit that he might not actually be running a ponzi?

Maybe you should up the interest rates? Like a "Super-Pirate" or a "Double-Pirate" ponzi...


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: Garr255 on May 25, 2012, 05:36:00 AM
Doing it :D


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ribuck on May 25, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
The winning strategy (for everyone) is: don't withdraw, but make sure you withdraw before everyone else.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: kidder2012 on May 25, 2012, 01:04:28 PM
Is this suppose to be a less -visible- bitcoinduit? 


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: pirateat40 on May 25, 2012, 01:14:18 PM
Oh yummy yummy I wanna play.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: mcorlett on May 25, 2012, 01:16:21 PM
Are you yourself allowed to participate?


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: N12 on May 25, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
inau, your rates suck! :D

Make it way higher.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: imsaguy on May 25, 2012, 01:22:11 PM
inau, your rates suck! :D

Make it way higher.

At LEAST 10%.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: organofcorti on May 25, 2012, 01:25:26 PM
I don't think this should be called '"Pirate" ponzi simulation'. Try instead '"Playing chicken in my father's Ferrari, blindfold" simulation'.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ShadowAlexey on May 25, 2012, 01:46:08 PM
Why not to do it that way. You take money and deposit it to pirate. You write down every single BTC you get and every Withdrawal/interest payment.
When your withdrawal+interest gets bigger, you report that and give everyone their money back, and interest you keep to your self)


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 02:38:10 PM
lol, increased to 10%


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: kronosvl on May 25, 2012, 02:44:40 PM
why not do this on testnet?


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: imsaguy on May 25, 2012, 02:45:45 PM
why not do this on testnet?

Because with testnet, you can generate 50 bitcoins in about 30 seconds.  People would start mining on it and drive up difficulty, making it more difficult for people legitimately trying to use testnet for client transactions, pool software, etc


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: LoupGaroux on May 25, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
This could so easily be gamed... have a group of "investors" all deposit huge amounts at exactly the same time hack. Wait for exactly the same period of time, say 15 weekly cycles... bank the 150% return on investment, and then all call for withdrawal at the same moment. Some would get paid, some would not, but everyone would be ahead, at least 50%, and if it was organized right, they could pool the payout which would be the original investment at least, so that nobody would be hurt, and all would gain.

Bingo, instant magic bitcoins! Yay!


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: organofcorti on May 25, 2012, 03:20:50 PM
You just want to suggest this so you can get a crew together ... and then pull out after 14 weeks. It's the only sensible move.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ribuck on May 25, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
Doing it!


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Looks like Bitcoinduit needs to be updated to include Pirate-style ponzis :)


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: terrytibbs on May 25, 2012, 03:48:40 PM
Wait for [...] 15 weekly cycles...
Bingo, instant magic bitcoins!
emphasis mine


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: LoupGaroux on May 25, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
Well, crew seemed apropos given the Pirate theme, arrr!

And sorry about that whole 15 weeks being instant thing. I had my geologic time Rolex on, and that kind of thing keeps happening to me.


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
first "deposit," arrrr! ;D


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: mcorlett on May 25, 2012, 08:26:49 PM
Are you yourself allowed to participate?


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: ineededausername on May 25, 2012, 10:01:37 PM
Are you yourself allowed to participate?

of course not


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: Otoh on May 26, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
lol, I like it & am going to throw some coins at it, when it eventually does go TU will you be posting the history of it all, deposits, withdrawals, interest payed, balances etc (I'm happy to be openly ID-ed) - perhaps then I could claim my reckless ponzi gamble as academic research ;) - PMing now for an account


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: FreeMoney on May 27, 2012, 05:59:37 PM
This could so easily be gamed... have a group of "investors" all deposit huge amounts at exactly the same time hack. Wait for exactly the same period of time, say 15 weekly cycles... bank the 150% return on investment, and then all call for withdrawal at the same moment. Some would get paid, some would not, but everyone would be ahead, at least 50%, and if it was organized right, they could pool the payout which would be the original investment at least, so that nobody would be hurt, and all would gain.

Bingo, instant magic bitcoins! Yay!

Lol, since you know this is going to last 15 weeks maybe forget the crew and just get rich yourself?

edit: I'm only trying to patch your system so that you sink alone, arrrr


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: epbaha on May 27, 2012, 10:45:39 PM
So who's throwing down 200 BTC and pulling out after the first week for an easy profit of 20 BTC?


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: Garr255 on May 27, 2012, 10:55:00 PM
I'm curious how this would turn out with a ridiculously high interest rate, like 40%

If I started an identical game (changing only the interest) who would be interested?

Ponzi!


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: mcorlett on May 28, 2012, 05:42:24 AM
I'm curious how this would turn out with a ridiculously high interest rate, like 40%

If I started an identical game (changing only the interest) who would be interested?

Ponzi!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77276.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77276.0)?


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: Otoh on May 29, 2012, 01:45:47 PM
2 PMs to you re an account & no reply as yet I believe, did this already start yesterday or is it next Monday?  ???


Title: Re: "Pirate" ponzi simulation
Post by: terrytibbs on May 29, 2012, 01:50:24 PM
2 PMs to you re an account & no reply as yet I believe, did this already start yesterday or is it next Monday?  ???
inau is cashing out (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84084.msg927022#msg927022)