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Hi guys!

I want to start a gamble site, I just need some advices and How much it will cost me to start a good one.

Any ideas please ?

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Be careful buying scripts as there may be bugs and backdoor in it. It is better to code it yourself if you have the ability and do intensive testing on it, or you can hire some trusted and experienced programmers to do it for you.

You need to think of ideas to promote your new site, and also ideas to get our trust.

I have no idea how much it will cost, but it is definitely not a small amount of money (for both programming and advertising).

what is a good one?

Also i would recommend making it provably fair right from the get go. Theres plenty that are not and there have been quite a few that never made it because of this. Also, build a reputation of paying out in full and on time. Good luck!

agree 100%

I would say, if you need advices, then you are unable to create and operate a site like this.

this would be very sad, IMO if he wants to try it and he asks for help what is wrong with this? worst case he will lose
some coins in the learning phase.

First advice: be honest

You'll need trust and many BTC to start.

Be careful with btctalk trolls and there are a lot of them. And I mean a lot.

They will sometimes scam you with money and if you dont pay they will say that your site is a scam.

So be very careful in dealing with people in the forum.

ok, first, u will need a good domain
u will need about 10 Bitcoins as bankroll
u need a chat feed on the site-sites without this r boring-
u will need around 10 testers - to find bugs
u will need a faucet-no one will want to test a new site out with their own money
u will need to keep it small until u can afford 5btc losses in a single bet from a highroller
 

1) Provably Fair
2) Bank-roll
3) Trust
4) Advertising
5) Some unique feature
6) A capacity to lose

How not to start and run a gambling site; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825009.0

The nature of bitcoins, being anonymous, coupled with the internet being fairly anonymous as well, leads people to act in ways that they probably wouldn't if they were running a bricks and mortar business.

The problem is it can lead to a "fuck you" attitude, and like some people previously mentioned, trust is the all important factor.

I can only guess at what your going to face, in terms of public relations, but its safe to say the following will happen;

You're going to get a lot of people saying your a scam, why? because they can and their bored and trolling.
You're going to get a lot of people with problems that might be your fault might be theirs, most people will blame you anyway.
You're going to have to be patent with everyone, unless they are actually trying to scam you, because no one cares you're having a bad day.

If the immediate response is to say "fuck you" to any of the above, you've lost, because while you may be anonymous, your site isn't, it is a brand.

And it's your sites brand that you represent.

You are the spokesmen and if people don't like you or your attitude, then they're not going to like your site.

1. be honest
2. provide outstanding service
3. set a good example

Want to start a real business and not a ponzi? Start with at least 500 Btc  ;D

I'll sell you mine.   :) I start a masters program in January so I worry that I'll be unable to advertise it (both here and with banners) properly and give it the TLC it deserves.

Fully functioning, easy to alter, cathartic game play and huge winning potential.

I will say, if you plan to code one from scratch, holy crap is it a lot of work!

gambling site hmm..
Budget 10 BTC minimum to start
are you a web developer than make it or hire someone to do work on your behalf
If you want to start and have min 10 BTC for payout to your users than contact me (PM) to get something different from me

To get a unique web design + branding with a unique well-coded website is alone going to cost more than 10 BTC.

Thats not always true. Dicebitco and dice.ninja didn't have a  lot of trust but managed to get large investments without much work.

Because there are always money-mad investors...

This topic is about making a gambling site, not creating a scam.

Get ready for hackers and have an idea how to deal with that early on!

There are lot step you need to do before start a gamble site :
1. A lot of bitcoin for bankroll
2. Your own gambling script (to prevent bug & backdoor from some script created by someone)
3. Decide your hot wallet & cold wallet
4. Securing your website & your bitcoin from hacker
5. Set maximum win to prevent bankrupt
6. Made some unique gambling game
7. Prepare to promote your site
8. And some free bitcoin to some user


I thin that's enough, and faucet  ;D (from 250 to 2000 satoshi is reccomended)

How much will it cost you depends on you? :D well what kind of a gambling site? like casino games, dice games? can you give some more info?

what is the difference between a hot and a cold wallet?

A hot wallet is something, where the funds are stored on a wallet, which is connected to the network, and holds a small amount of bitcoins. This allows instant withdrawls.
A cold wallet is a wallet not connected to the network, and secures the coins from hacking/ flaw on the site, which might allow users to withdraw all the funds. The cold wallet is offline, and holds the majority of the coins.

Hi,

I have just launched betbtcoin.com.

If anyone is interested in making a gambling site do contact me. My main interest is in building gambling platform more than running the end games.

Mind you I'm not into scam sites.

How much that can cost depends on what you have to offer. If I think you would be able to build a very successful site (and in that way help me make a name for my platform) it could be not much at all.

You'll have to try to be unique and not just be one out of hundreds

new features, full support for the biggest coins, good graphic and support, and of course trust....

how will I be sure that You dont steal my idea? (no offense)

That risk is also there, even if you contact another site developer.

If you would be the first, no one will copy your idea as good as you did it!

agree but I cant code :(

So hire a freelancer who works on this project!

and again we are back to my question: how can I be sure that he will not steal my idea?

I cant learn to code, I dont wanna get to deep in reasoning :)

hire a company or freelancer with contract....hmmm I did this once and the contract didnt help :(
very difficult to overcome this hurdle of trust if one cant code

No risk - no fun ;) Is your idea such a special thing that you don't want that anyone else know it?

Building bitcoin gaming platform is way too much effort if all you want is to steal someones money, there are much simpler ways.
I don't think it's at all possible to 100% protect your money no matter who will be doing coding for you. What makes you think random freelancer will be safe?
If it's about idea, frankly, everyone has ideas, and many think theirs is the greatest one. Instead of trying to hide it you'll be better off to go and talk to someone about it, get a second opinion.

Hot wallet usually means it's actually a full node on the webserver, that contains the wallet.dat files with the private keys.

There is also the middle wallet or online wallet, but can be reasonably secured, on a different computer that is not the website. Maybe it's a home computer of the owner, or some special purpose laptop in the office or something.

Cold wallet is generally offline. There is a watch-only wallet on the servers, or you can just check in the block chain.

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Get in contact with Bitcoin Gambling Affiliate sites to help get people to your site :) Like www.coingamblingreviews.com

IMO random freelancer will not be safe.

yes everyone has ideas and yes everyone thinks his idea is good enough to make it.

second opinion ??? now we are back to my question -whom can you trust?-

IMO each one who has an idea has to bring it on line to see if it works. it is a gamble and if it will not be accepted by the players he will lose the investment.

please let me explain short my experience of 2nd opinion. I had the chance to speak to a  few coder here through PMs and on skype.
when asking if they can code me a script, all said sure I can and thats a walk in the park. I gave them a simple game (not attractive at all) and all immediately said that they dont have time to do the job  ;D
this answer is telling me that they only wanted to hear the game idea. or how would you explain this answer/behavior?

cheers

I can tell you one thing for certain. If you dig in and hide with your idea you already failed.
As I said my interest is in the technology, not in games themselves. If you like I can give you my opinion about your idea. If it's good I'll help you get it done.

I can tell you one thing for certain. If you dig in and hide with your idea you already failed. (http://I can tell you one thing for certain. If you dig in and hide with your idea you already failed.)

 ;D agree there is no doubt

As I said my interest is in the technology, not in games themselves. If you like I can give you my opinion about your idea. If it's good I'll help you get it done.

why should I trust You? (no offense) please understand that I dont want any opinion, I just want it coded and go life, because I am convinced that it is good enough to make some coins. if it fails I eat the loss and if it succeeds I enjoy the coins  ;D

cheers

What alternative choices do you have?

Either way. Go ahead and get a quote from a proper software house. You'll fall off your chair :) I shouldn't be the one convincing you here.

as I said -no offense- and I appreciate every help I can get. as I cant code I really have a problem. but I dont give up looking for a solution. if it would be a dice game or a game that already exists there wouldnt be a problem.

This wel established site is for sale...https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130242.0

Will cost you a few BTC, but in the long run...you might be bette roff.

Disclaimer: nothing to do with the site itself...

No offence taken :) I have plans to make a generic platform that would make projects like yours much easier to do. You could host it yourself too, so you have control over software and your bitcoins for more confidence. Good luck with your project.

yes I want to manage  and host the site myself. Your plans sound good bt when will it happen? are You a coder? if yes, did You code any btc script and could we see it?

cheers

why did you post it here, IMO wrong thread. or did you try to get some more postings?

Just out of curiousity, how much is that site worth?

I coded everything on betbtcoin.com. You can see client side scripts there (view source). There's much more on the back-end though.

oh I see, nice and clean site. can some one tell us if the Provably Fair option is really Provably Fair? 5% seems a lot to me.

good luck

@elm, tell me your idea. If I use it, I'll pay you. If not, then I won't tell anyone else. I'm not a coder either, so I have to hire one... But it will have to wait until next year because I'm busy trying to make my own site.

There are a few bitcoin casinos out there that are for sale. You would need maybe 150 ~ 300 BTC to buy them. (I can do the escrow if you like.)

@Dabs

I dont want You to use it. I want to bring the baby online :) if it succeeds I will be happy and if not I will take the loss.
I dont need any opinion because I am convinced that it is a good idea. sure thing that it could well be that the market/players will see it different. it could be that I will need an escrow to start because possible lack of trust. so I will talk to You about it for sure.

just for info, I dont want to buy a casino because one day I want to open my own casino with my own ideas. when I am saying my own ideas actually the problem starts. I talked to a few ( also softswiss) and couldnt agree with them because they have a problem to let me implement my ideas. I am very positive that I will find a solution. so I decided step by step. first I wanna jump in btc casino with my game idea.

cheers

Yeah even the site is provably fair. Some always say that site is rigged blah blah.. How can we really determine if a site is rigged or not?

to be frank for me it would be impossible to know for sure. but I would trust Dabs and dooglus to tell us if it is or not

If you can code it could cost you just the domain and hosting because you could just offer an invest option at your site and them promote for free on here.  If you cant code then its going to cost you a ton and your chances of success are statistically slim.

Domain and Hosting doesn't cost a lot. All you need to pay for, is the cost to get the site built and developed. Just hire a developer, or learn bitcoind on your own. But for the security point of view, hiring an experienced developer is a better option.

Be prepared to give up any normal sleeping pattern or ability to make plans which involve leaving the computer for extended periods of time...

If you want to sleep sometimes you will need a few 1st level support persons, and someone you trust for L2 L3 support.

Where do you guys host your sites?

LOL I was in this situation but not with a gambling site. no sleep and misses asked for divorce

be careful with "the coder "

don't skip rolls and  don't fuck your users.  ;D

Maybe you could distribute the idea, giving only bits and piece. But then again you will be facing problem to connect your own puzzle, or perhaps even the problem of breaking down and distribute that idea to bits..

Let's take an example of one big website which are coded by hundreds if programmer, let's say amazon, let's put that within 1000 people, then.. amazon had one person with the 'bad intentions' what would amazon do to prevent it? They distribute the system..

be prepared to have nightmares about players winning 1000's of Bitcoins overnight and making you consider shutting down

I understand your point, thanks for contributing. one piece would be enough for the smart guys ( and we have many here)to understand the game idea :(
please let me repeat that I dont need an opinion if the game idea is good enough. I need a coder whom I could trust

Maybe you can try to split coding to functions with well defined inputs and outputs and hire freelancers for each part. When all done then you need someone else to integrate these parts together into a control app, based on the defined inputs outputs but without knowing the functional modules. This method have some cons but apart from you, nobody else will have the full code in one hand.

That is specially true for the initial period after launching the site. For responding to customers, you can hire moderators, that might be helpful. But a technical problem will have to be solved by you.

good point and to be frank I thought about it. I just dont know yet how to split the task and in how many parts etc. and thats all because I am not a coder and not enough familiar with all this stuff. but I know gambling and casinos very well and not as a gambler and I know exactly what I want to bring online.

haha I second that! Always on edge  ::)

I don't know your stuff but I guess it have functionally different parts e.g. dice module, slots module, poker module, deposit and withdraw modules, account management, affiliate module, admin module etc. Generally speaking it's a good idea to do not split these functional modules to even smaller parts because that would make the project management overcomplicated.

Stunna, someone mentioned that you still have a regular day job, in addition to running PD. Or did you quit that job already and full-time on PD?

don't cheat your users

Ok fuck you all. thanx
no even offer single help or answer to my questions
Sure i wont scam anyone what a kind of advice is this ? :D
My questions are
1- How much BTC it will cost me to make good site not very proessioanl but at least like any others.
2- Who can code for me or where i can find them ? and how much they will take ?

for others i wont scam for sure, i'm online almost 16 hours + will get my real life friend to work with me.
Im free and have the time to be good owner and i think i can get the money, the only problem is the coding maybe.
I want to do this just for fun but i need it clean no hackers, no errors so people can be in safe.

1- How much BTC it will cost me to make good site not very proessioanl but at least like any others.

A:  Easily , for a good good webpage, >10 btc

2- Who can code for me or where i can find them ? and how much they will take ?

A: Be careful with this, you don't want "bugs" (you can loose $$ with that).
Try o find someone trusted coder.

@Snail2

I am not sure if I understood Your message. I agree that it will not make sense to split each module in parts. but each module You mentioned (more or less) will be needed to have a full working script.
if I could buy those modules separately and put them together at some point this would be a good solution. like this I can add the game idea at the end.

but is it possible to buy those modules? I didnt see any for sale till now, or did I miss it somehow?

thanks for the posting

I think it is not simple to start a gamble site ,  however ... good luck ;).

Software doesn't assemble like furniture. Most likely the developers of different parts will still have to coordinate together so not sure what this will achieve because I understand your problem is not being able to code and not wanting to let anyone including the coder know your idea, for the last piece of the puzzle you'll still need a coder and you're back to square 1? :)

Can you make a website though? Not the code but more basic website? Might work in that case.

how would a basic website work? could You please explain? thanks

Like css, design, basic javascript

no I cant do this, and lets say I could build a simple website, how can I build/code my game idea to this website? sorry I am confused now

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thats fine with all of us but the subject of this thread is how to start a gambling site

You have to study the php , javascript , css etc... It's not simple ;).

Also looking into the bitcoin infrastructure like bitcoind shall help.

Its not the end , After win bitcoin

recruit a script writer :)

You can do anything with it ~

It depends a lot on your idea. If your game is simple, like dice, you could probably have someone build you all the complicated stuff, like handling bitcoin, registering wins, paying out etc. That would give you a simple API, that is functions you could invoke that would do all the heavy work like "take money from this user, because he is staking money" or "pay this user because he won". Then all you'd have to do is code simple game logic and UI. Which is like "if user pressed this button, then call this function that takes this much bitcoin out of that users account". It's still coding but might be manageable to inexperienced person.

and what the hell is a "script writer" it's like calling a driver a "wheel turner" :)

I would say that the game is simple. but thanks for still giving nice ideas :)

so I could ask You to sell me Your Keno script and I will change only the game and I will have what I want :)

Essentially yes. Your game might have different requirements, but should be simple enough to change.

great to hear, so the solution is not that far away now :) thanks

Try coding your site without all the bitcoin stuff. Find some online tutorials, use placeholders instead of graphics, make it ugly but functional.

thats very kind to give me this tip, but that sounds still very difficult for me :( IMO it could be much easier if I buy a gambling script and change the game and some small stuff as You said.

thanks

You'll still need to know what you're doing. That's why I'm suggesting you to learn basics.

I understand Your point, to manage the site will not be a problem but to code or putting it together? no way :(
but thanks again and btw would You sell Your script?

Only need dooglus approval :P

for what ???

Dooglus approval and...

TRUST WILL BE

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Omg. Never trust a gambling site again.

Yeah I think we could find some way to make it work.

Maybe you can buy separate modules but integrating them together would be a nightmare.

Yah, you need at least 5 BTC ~ 10 BTC to get a simple dice site up. You could run it completely in the forum for free (see my lotto I ran last year.) But that takes up all of your time since everything is almost manually calculated.

Someone could probably try to run a once a week lotto with website for 2 BTC.

@elm, how much are you willing to spend? I have been in touch with a few devs in the past (like in 2013, so dunno if they're still around), but you can find them in the marketplace / services section, or you can try contacting some of the smaller casinos / devs and ask them.

Hi Dabs

it is not a question how much I am willing to spend, the question is always how much a dev is asking for the work and if I am willing to pay his price.

I will take a look in marketplace/services again, because I did this already and even if I found one they were interested to hear my game idea and then decided that they have no time for the job  ;D sure thing that I didnt tell them my game idea but instead I asked for a simple dice game ( Under/Over 7)
I thought if I get a full working script I can later change the game.

thanks Dabs

There are devs willing to accept between 0.5-1.5btc for a dice site. But you should check, what features are offered.

agree, the features are important, thanks

Well, you need to know your budget, otherwise the costs could go higher than expected or higher than you can or want to afford. My little game is now costing me a few thousand dollars.

you're absolutely right. but You need to understand that I will not overpay a script because I want/need it. I know exactly what I want and I want to bring this baby online.

your little game? what is it? the lottery?

Have you thought of what features you need? So without exposing your idea, what actions will player be performing, do you have admin, back office and reporting requirements?

Sort of. It has mutated into something different but cool, and it's costing me a little bit more than I initially planned, but I believe it's going to be fun. :) Can't really say much more now. I will post a thread when it's live. The lotto will also be included but operate a bit differently (it won't be PvP anymore.)

So are you pushing the gambling site plans?

I acctually asked a BIG casino for a white label based casino, and they quoted me +/- 30 000 Euro ^Shocked^
So if you going to go into this, with everything you have, rather go big.
The physical casino's are entering the Bitcoin domain now, with sites thats hosting 100 to 200 games and most people flock to these. ^Frown^
It's a tough scene you are trying to enter... Good luck ^Smile^

Do those large casinos keep their normal house edges though? So like 30% for many games?

if letting out the game itself now I would need what every btc game script has. for example

*deposit & withdrawal
*automatically giving the user a nick  (that he can change) and his account so if he sends coins he can start playing *anonymously
*option to register with mail, 2FA and what is needed......
*hot & cold wallet
*admin or/and backoffice (not sure if it is the same) so I can manage the whole site and action
*Provably Fair is a must
*Chat
* secure website

in case I forgot some important point please let me know.

had to reduce fixed cost
because trade less than expected u!

it's very important :D

waiting to see it - good luck  :)

That worked well a few months ago, but I don't think it will work anymore for obvious reason...

To be honest, I did not even ask anything else, when I saw the price tag ^Sad^

At the end its you who should decide where to invest your money. Even the most trusted makes mistake sometimes.

What are you up to? I want to make tech, could we partner up?

Every1 makes mistakes at first. Just be sure to always stay in contact with your customers and offer them a unique gambling experience  :P

what is a new gambling experience?

Dice is considered 'new' back then in 2012 :D