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Title: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: adamstgBit on June 07, 2012, 04:23:24 AM
I just visited bitcoin bitcoincard.org, and i saw the new pages, go check it out for your self, and please everyone sign up and put your self on the map!

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/

it only takes 2 mins


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: cbeast on June 07, 2012, 04:29:13 AM
If it's only what, $50 for a node dongle? I'll buy some.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: adamstgBit on June 07, 2012, 04:36:03 AM
I hope they market this thing well so it appeals to more then just bitcoiners

its like CB but text and coin, could be a hit!


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 07, 2012, 10:48:51 AM
No. Bitcoincard is fascinating for it's flexible board and battery-less functionality for sure, but the requirement for the entire world to build infrastructure around it instead of using what's already there is not only lazy, it's downright unimaginative and asinine.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Littleshop on June 07, 2012, 10:58:53 AM
If it's only what, $50 for a node dongle? I'll buy some.

Node dongles should cost around $10 to make or less each.  Since the purchaser is paying to build infrastructure and there really is none currently, the dongles should be as close to cost as possible.  Maybe later when they are built out should they attempt to turn the dongle into a profit center.

They should be under $20.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: dave3 on June 07, 2012, 11:11:20 AM
An outdoor-mountable unit that connects to your local wifi network instead of a USB connection might be nice.  Bonus points if it's solar powered with rechargeable battery.

Otherwise if it's just connected via USB to a computer inside a house/building, I can't imagine range would be very useful.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: wareen on June 07, 2012, 11:29:29 AM
but the requirement for the entire world to build infrastructure around it instead of using what's already there is not only lazy, it's downright unimaginative and asinine.
I guess that's what many would say about Bitcoin vs. the traditional banking system. I'm sure Satoshi was just too lazy to open up a Paypal account ;)


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 07, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
but the requirement for the entire world to build infrastructure around it instead of using what's already there is not only lazy, it's downright unimaginative and asinine.
I guess that's what many would say about Bitcoin vs. the traditional banking system. I'm sure Satoshi was just too lazy to open up a Paypal account ;)
Bitcoin is inherently different from the traditional banking system. A non-standard radio frequency is simply non-standard and bothersome. All I can say to them is
"good luck with that".

It's important that you know that in their hype-laden video that proclaim that bitcoincard will never need to rely on any kind of infrastructure, but then they ask you to buy a device to act as a repeater for their....infrastructure.  ::)


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Jouke on June 07, 2012, 11:44:50 AM
I just visited bitcoin bitcoincard.org, and i saw the new pages, go check it out for your self, and please everyone sign up and put your self on the map!

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/

it only takes 2 mins

Why would I do that?


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: wareen on June 07, 2012, 11:55:47 AM
I guess that's what many would say about Bitcoin vs. the traditional banking system. I'm sure Satoshi was just too lazy to open up a Paypal account ;)
Bitcoin is inherently different from the traditional banking system.
I'd argue that a decentralized mesh network with cheap solar power nodes that fit in your wallet is also inherently different from all other traditional networking systems.

A non-standard radio frequency is simply non-standard and bothersome. All I can say to them is "good luck with that".
You'd probably have a very hard time building that kind of network on top of Bluetooth/WiFi/3G - those were designed for completely different purposes.

It's important that you know that in their hype-laden video that proclaim that bitcoincard will never need to rely on any kind of infrastructure, but then they ask you to buy a device to act as a repeater for their....infrastructure.  ::)
I think they are needed not so much for repeating but to act as the gateways to the Internet and you probably can't do much without gateways, no matter which kind of devices you use.

The publicly available information is probably too sparse to judge them just yet. From what I can tell it definitely looks interesting and in a few days we'll know more. Calling them asinine is just as premature as pre-ordering a thousand cards IMHO.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 07, 2012, 12:03:27 PM
I'd argue that a decentralized mesh network with cheap solar power nodes that fit in your wallet is also inherently different from all other traditional networking systems.
True that. Unfortunately there are way too many inconsistencies in their marketing video itself and reality so we can only go on what they say.

  • No recharge required as it works on solar -- so how well does this device function at night? In Alaska during the 30 day long nights?
  • Doesn't rely on supporting infrastructure -- those are their words buddy, not mine. Talk to them about why they claim that. All I know is, ad-hoc doesn't work for the blockchain without a gateway, and people don't buy gateways without those gateways being useful for the owner as well, and a non-standard frequency used only for that device is not enough incentive for most people. Again, "Good luck with that".


The publicly available information is probably too sparse to judge them just yet. From what I can tell it definitely looks interesting and in a few days we'll know more. Calling them asinine is just as premature as pre-ordering a thousand cards IMHO.

True that. Let's wait to see what Charlie and Erik dig up.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Raoul Duke on June 07, 2012, 12:10:14 PM
No.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: istar on June 07, 2012, 12:43:36 PM
I just visited bitcoin bitcoincard.org, and i saw the new pages, go check it out for your self, and please everyone sign up and put your self on the map!

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/

it only takes 2 mins

Why would I do that?

To increase the value of your Bitcoins. Its that simple.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: istar on June 07, 2012, 12:53:54 PM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.







Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Deafboy on June 07, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
Agree. Some people will get interested after reading the article, but majority will be scared to use BTC after reading it.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: matthewh3 on June 08, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
Shouldn't this thread be on the "Project Development" board?


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Elwar on June 08, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
I just visited bitcoin bitcoincard.org, and i saw the new pages, go check it out for your self, and please everyone sign up and put your self on the map!

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/

it only takes 2 mins


How much will I be paid for the traffic going over my node?


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Deafboy on June 12, 2012, 10:26:51 PM
What? Why? Who should pay you for running a gateway?
My understanding is that merchants should provide gateway for their customers.

I see no reason why you should be payed for credit card POS terminal or bitcoincard GW.

I was thinking about providing the gateway myself, but area I live in is not worth it...


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Littleshop on June 12, 2012, 11:06:02 PM
The cost of the transmitters should be pretty inexpensive and it would be good to include one with every card.  A merchant would buy a card  and have a transmitter for their store.  The early buyers will really need a transmitter to do anything at all anyhow.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Matthew N. Wright on June 12, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
The cost of the transmitters should be pretty inexpensive and it would be good to include one with every card.  A merchant would buy a card  and have a transmitter for their store.  The early buyers will really need a transmitter to do anything at all anyhow.

The cost of rice is inexpensive and you don't see anyone buying it to save the poor and starving.

Convenience is key. No one wants to buy repeaters to help nerds except other nerds..


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: notme on June 13, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
I just visited bitcoin bitcoincard.org, and i saw the new pages, go check it out for your self, and please everyone sign up and put your self on the map!

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/

it only takes 2 mins


How much will I be paid for the traffic going over my node?

The same amount you get paid for relaying bitcoin transactions.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: notme on June 13, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
http://bitcoincard.org/product.php:
Quote
the card does not have an operating system

It's powered by magic!


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on June 13, 2012, 04:39:25 AM
http://bitcoincard.org/product.php:
Quote
the card does not have an operating system

It's powered by magic!

and unicorns come out of it at the press of a button!


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: apetersson on June 13, 2012, 06:35:16 AM
http://bitcoincard.org/product.php:
Quote
the card does not have an operating system

It's powered by magic!
It is an embedded system and does not need an operating system.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: matthewh3 on June 14, 2012, 03:12:59 PM
What? Why? Who should pay you for running a gateway?
My understanding is that merchants should provide gateway for their customers.

I see no reason why you should be payed for credit card POS terminal or bitcoincard GW.

I was thinking about providing the gateway myself, but area I live in is not worth it...

I agree if they only sell the cards via buying gateway nodes at first that should help early adoption.  If they could sell each gateway node with five cards for <=$10 delivered that would really help early adoption.  Also if they could do a deal that physical bitcoin merchants could give them out free or the change from a purchase on a free card that would help adoption two.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: matthewh3 on July 05, 2012, 01:44:09 PM
Bump


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: ElectricMucus on July 05, 2012, 01:56:53 PM
Bump
how lame


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: flower1024 on July 12, 2012, 02:24:08 PM
but the requirement for the entire world to build infrastructure around it instead of using what's already there is not only lazy, it's downright unimaginative and asinine.
I guess that's what many would say about Bitcoin vs. the traditional banking system. I'm sure Satoshi was just too lazy to open up a Paypal account ;)

may i use this in my sig?
best bitcoin cite ever :D


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: AmazonStuff on July 12, 2012, 05:13:26 PM
Sure, why not to re-transmit, after all it will be the future of new free of charge internet and bitcoin card is just a pioneer.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: wareen on July 12, 2012, 06:13:55 PM
but the requirement for the entire world to build infrastructure around it instead of using what's already there is not only lazy, it's downright unimaginative and asinine.
I guess that's what many would say about Bitcoin vs. the traditional banking system. I'm sure Satoshi was just too lazy to open up a Paypal account ;)

may i use this in my sig?
best bitcoin cite ever :D

;)
Sure, go ahead!


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: cbeast on August 05, 2012, 12:21:08 AM
I'm having doubts about this project moving forward. There are already several people working on much simpler smartcard schemes that seem much simpler and use common components.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on August 05, 2012, 02:04:59 AM
I'm having doubts about this project moving forward. There are already several people working on much simpler smartcard schemes that seem much simpler and use common components.

Heh, if you had seen the size of their team and how much money is being put into it, I think your doubts would disappear lol.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: cbeast on August 05, 2012, 04:17:07 AM
I'm having doubts about this project moving forward. There are already several people working on much simpler smartcard schemes that seem much simpler and use common components.

Heh, if you had seen the size of their team and how much money is being put into it, I think your doubts would disappear lol.
Yeah, I don't doubt they have the capability of doing this. On second thought, it would only benefit Bitcoincard to have competing smartcard systems.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: bg002h on August 05, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
No brainer. I'm in.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: grue on August 05, 2012, 06:50:12 PM
http://bitcoincard.org/product.php:
Quote
the card does not have an operating system

It's powered by magic!
It is an embedded system and does not need an operating system.
doesn't matter, still operating system. (think windows embedded edition)


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: aq on August 05, 2012, 10:26:39 PM
http://bitcoincard.org/product.php:
Quote
the card does not have an operating system

It's powered by magic!
It is an embedded system and does not need an operating system.
doesn't matter, still operating system. (think windows embedded edition)
LOL, windows embedded 8 bit edition


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: niko on August 06, 2012, 03:45:51 AM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.


Yes. Serious folks who want to do business and develop products keep their ideology to themselves and friends. Statements like this, and attempts to have users directly pay for infrastructure of a secretive, closed-source project, make me very cautious about the card.
At this point I consider it vaporware, and possibly a scam where government-hating sheep are lured in by strong statements like the one above.

I would love to be proven wrong on this one ASAP, and might consider buying a dongle then.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: MagicalTux on August 06, 2012, 04:58:11 AM
That could be interesting. I hope their system supports unicode.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: cbeast on August 06, 2012, 10:08:15 AM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.


Yes. Serious folks who want to do business and develop products keep their ideology to themselves and friends. Statements like this, and attempts to have users directly pay for infrastructure of a secretive, closed-source project, make me very cautious about the card.
At this point I consider it vaporware, and possibly a scam where government-hating sheep are lured in by strong statements like the one above.

I would love to be proven wrong on this one ASAP, and might consider buying a dongle then.
Just because it is inflammatory doesn't make it less true. Bitcoin isn't just a disruptive technology, it is an Extinction Level Event for the cabals of finance and tyranny. PayPal and Western Union better adapt to the new climate, because the dinosaurs are going extinct.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: chmod755 on August 06, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
No, proprietary.

This. Publish the source code (GPL, AGPL, BSD, MIT,...?) and I will buy one (card + usb transmitter)


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: niko on August 06, 2012, 02:27:56 PM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.


Yes. Serious folks who want to do business and develop products keep their ideology to themselves and friends. Statements like this, and attempts to have users directly pay for infrastructure of a secretive, closed-source project, make me very cautious about the card.
At this point I consider it vaporware, and possibly a scam where government-hating sheep are lured in by strong statements like the one above.

I would love to be proven wrong on this one ASAP, and might consider buying a dongle then.
Just because it is inflammatory doesn't make it less true. Bitcoin isn't just a disruptive technology, it is an Extinction Level Event for the cabals of finance and tyranny. PayPal and Western Union better adapt to the new climate, because the dinosaurs are going extinct.
You know that I mostly agree, and it's totally fine to discuss these things with friends or here in the forum. It doesn't belong in a Web site offering a proprietary product. Describe the card and Bitcoin system, and let potential customers and partners draw their own conclusions regarding political and ideological implications. Maybe it's just me.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: cbeast on August 06, 2012, 02:34:35 PM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.


Yes. Serious folks who want to do business and develop products keep their ideology to themselves and friends. Statements like this, and attempts to have users directly pay for infrastructure of a secretive, closed-source project, make me very cautious about the card.
At this point I consider it vaporware, and possibly a scam where government-hating sheep are lured in by strong statements like the one above.

I would love to be proven wrong on this one ASAP, and might consider buying a dongle then.
Just because it is inflammatory doesn't make it less true. Bitcoin isn't just a disruptive technology, it is an Extinction Level Event for the cabals of finance and tyranny. PayPal and Western Union better adapt to the new climate, because the dinosaurs are going extinct.
You know that I mostly agree, and it's totally fine to discuss these things with friends or here in the forum. It doesn't belong in a Web site offering a proprietary product. Describe the card and Bitcoin system, and let potential customers and partners draw their own conclusions regarding political and ideological implications. Maybe it's just me.
It's not just you. I understand your conservative viewpoint. If this were an IPO for a new fabric softener, then it would be inappropriate to insult your competitor. After all, Big Macs and Quarter Pounders can usually be found within 1000 feet of each other. But this is different. This is a revolution and revolutions need battle cries.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: notme on August 06, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
From the page: http://bitcoincard.org/movement.php

"If Bitcoin succeeds, it is likely that PayPal and Western Union would be removed from the marketplace. The Federal Reserve (and every central bank) would be made redundant. "Disruptive technology" is thus an understatement. "

Remove this, it will probably not happen in 30-40 years anyway if ever. Its just unnecessary to create enemies, and people are afraid of using technology that threatens the society the are used to and believe, works.


Yes. Serious folks who want to do business and develop products keep their ideology to themselves and friends. Statements like this, and attempts to have users directly pay for infrastructure of a secretive, closed-source project, make me very cautious about the card.
At this point I consider it vaporware, and possibly a scam where government-hating sheep are lured in by strong statements like the one above.

I would love to be proven wrong on this one ASAP, and might consider buying a dongle then.
Just because it is inflammatory doesn't make it less true. Bitcoin isn't just a disruptive technology, it is an Extinction Level Event for the cabals of finance and tyranny. PayPal and Western Union better adapt to the new climate, because the dinosaurs are going extinct.
You know that I mostly agree, and it's totally fine to discuss these things with friends or here in the forum. It doesn't belong in a Web site offering a proprietary product. Describe the card and Bitcoin system, and let potential customers and partners draw their own conclusions regarding political and ideological implications. Maybe it's just me.
It's not just you. I understand your conservative viewpoint. If this were an IPO for a new fabric softener, then it would be inappropriate to insult your competitor. After all, Big Macs and Quarter Pounders can usually be found within 1000 feet of each other. But this is different. This is a revolution and revolutions need battle cries.

Big macs and quarter pounders come from the same store...


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: adamstgBit on August 06, 2012, 06:59:42 PM
Back on topic

if you didn't already, go place yourself on the map

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: apetersson on August 06, 2012, 07:19:31 PM
That could be interesting. I hope their system supports unicode.
Why are you specifically asking for unicode?


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: rjk on August 06, 2012, 07:21:56 PM
That could be interesting. I hope their system supports unicode.
Why are you specifically asking for unicode?
Probably to support characters for languages other than English.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: molecular on August 06, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
Back on topic

if you didn't already, go place yourself on the map

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/


I don't get it: all I can do is place a gateway. I don't have a gateway.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: rjk on August 06, 2012, 08:51:21 PM
Back on topic

if you didn't already, go place yourself on the map

http://bitcoincard.org/earth/


I don't get it: all I can do is place a gateway. I don't have a gateway.
It's to gauge interest; if you are willing and able to run one, put your location. You would still need to buy it whenever they decide to release it.


Title: Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters?
Post by: minorman on August 06, 2012, 11:05:37 PM
Yes.