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Title: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on November 19, 2014, 10:13:55 PM
I'm sure you all remember this fellow. I think he joined in the spring of this year at a time when most posters here felt that we were firmly in a "bubble cycle" and we'd see another huge rally sometime in July or August. Something about a "237 day cycle". He countered those claims and told us that there would be no rally, and instead, prices would be steadily falling over the coming months, until we hit "final capitulation". We all balked, and told him he was a "troll". Eventually, he was banned for some reason. I guess because the mods even came on board and declared him a "troll" for being too negative.

But... it turns out he was right.

I actually joined with my username simply to lampoon him, but even I admit, he was absolutely right. I mean, who expected in November 2013 that prices one year later would actually be lower? Everyone was aboard the choo choo train, and he was telling us all along we were fools.

Can we somehow undo his ban and bring him back? Maybe it wouldn't hurt to have some voices of reason around here? I'm just saying, maybe it's good to have some critique around here instead of hundreds of people championing the same platitudes over and over again?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: JimboToronto on November 19, 2014, 10:32:52 PM
I don't think he was banned for being bearish.

I think it probably had more to do with spamming the forum with numerous unnecessary threads about the same thing.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on November 19, 2014, 10:37:45 PM
I don't think he was banned for being bearish.

I think it probably had more to do with spamming the forum with numerous unnecessary threads about the same thing.

Maybe he just felt compelled to counteract all the bullish sentiment and warn people that we were in a prolonged bear market. So many posters were saying that $800 $700, $600, $500, $400 was an absolute steal, so he needed to post several times in order to not be buried. I don't think we can really fault him for that since you know, he was right...


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: rjclarke2000 on November 19, 2014, 10:39:16 PM
I actually found it all quite entertaining when he was about.

Admittedly he was correct with a few things, not all, but the gradual decrease in value he was spot on.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on November 19, 2014, 10:53:55 PM
What, you think he's not still here?

I like how he posts from different usernames with varying typing styles.

Sometimes he's Indian, sometimes he somewhat intelligent, sometimes he shows a small hint of bullishness in an attempt to throw off the scent.

Fallling is still here...and we don't owe him an apology.

Most of you people haven't been around BTC long enough to know that this sort of "bear" market has already happened before...and will continue to happen. These "markets" are cyclical.

People on here make me want Bitcoin to fail with your get-rich-now expectations.


They banned the poor guy's IP. He's gone, and the people you're describing aren't fallling, they're entirely different posters who merely share a similar sentiment. You think he's the only guy in the world bearish on bitcoin?  :D


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: blatchcorn on November 19, 2014, 10:55:37 PM
What, you think he's not still here?

I like how he posts from different usernames with varying typing styles.

Sometimes he's Indian, sometimes he somewhat intelligent, sometimes he shows a small hint of bullishness in an attempt to throw off the scent.

Fallling is still here...and we don't owe him an apology.

Most of you people haven't been around BTC long enough to know that this sort of "bear" market has already happened before...and will continue to happen. These "markets" are cyclical.

People on here make me want Bitcoin to fail with your get-rich-now expectations.


They banned the poor guy's IP. He's gone, and the people you're describing aren't fallling, they're entirely different posters who merely share a similar sentiment. You think he's the only guy in the world bearish on bitcoin?  :D
I thought Theymos would only ever reveal IPs if police asked for it.

People forget that fallling started off as fonzie. And I am pretty sure deadcoin is fallling too


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Wilhelm on November 19, 2014, 10:57:46 PM
There is no final capitulation. But yes he was right about bitcoin going to shit for a while.

RIP falllling  :'( :P

He was probably banned because he was manipulating people into selling. Speculating is one thing but bringing things as sure facts is a different ball game.
People should make their own trading decisions.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: exocytosis on November 20, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
You think he's the only guy in the world bearish on bitcoin?  :D


Obviously he is. Every living human being (except the individual behind "falllling" and every other bearish account) is totally permabullish and cultish on bitcoin. That's why the price has risen so insanely for a year now. That's why we're practically on the moon.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cr1776 on November 20, 2014, 01:17:27 AM
What, you think he's not still here?

I like how he posts from different usernames with varying typing styles.

Sometimes he's Indian, sometimes he somewhat intelligent, sometimes he shows a small hint of bullishness in an attempt to throw off the scent.

Fallling is still here...and we don't owe him an apology.

Most of you people haven't been around BTC long enough to know that this sort of "bear" market has already happened before...and will continue to happen. These "markets" are cyclical.

People on here make me want Bitcoin to fail with your get-rich-now expectations.


They banned the poor guy's IP. He's gone, and the people you're describing aren't fallling, they're entirely different posters who merely share a similar sentiment. You think he's the only guy in the world bearish on bitcoin?  :D

So he uses a proxy, or turns off his DSL/cable/whatever modem for a bit and gets a new IP.  Blocking an IP is only temporary.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Mieehayii on November 20, 2014, 01:54:14 AM
sometime, forgiveness much harder than retaliation

if that is true, give him a belated apology


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: FallllingIsWatchingY on November 20, 2014, 03:43:36 AM
Thank you for your support, guys

yes, i haven't been here for a while but i still come here sometime without login.
it doesn't matter any more now if i can post or not, because people who saw the bitcoin downtrend chart and had no fear to admit the reality of the downfall of bitcoin as i did must have had already woken up and sold out at much earlier,

for those who are still being fooled by permabulls and bulltrolls, the only thing we can do is pop up Falllling's old posts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737019.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737019.0) or make some new warning topics so they can know about what happened before how market manipulation with fake recover hope traps worked and how permabulls fooled people to hold their own bags (ponzi scheme and this sub-forum admin biltz is helping them with banning other people, he should be expelled for being evil / getting paid),

i saw more and more bearish people around which is normal, i am of cause not the only one bearish on bitcoin especially when bitcoin continues it's unstoppable downtrend,

again, thanks and let's wish more and more Falllling coming out and tell the truth after one is gone

:)


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: TinaK on November 20, 2014, 05:36:44 AM
raising must be after falling, just I don't know whether the faling is end.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: smoothie on November 20, 2014, 05:41:22 AM
No apology is needed.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 05:42:31 AM
Don we owe a broken clock an apology twice a day?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: alexeft on November 20, 2014, 05:45:03 AM
Don we owe a broken clock an apology twice a day?

This!


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: xDan on November 20, 2014, 11:04:10 AM
He wasn't right. His thesis is that Bitcoin is doomed and is going to die. And he wasn't trolling since November 2013, don't give him credit for having that kind of perspective. (Most likely he was the idiot buying all the way up, similarly emotion driven, and now regrets it).

"bitcoin will test $1 again!"
"you could buy back after the final capitulation (which could test $1 again),"
"not after bitcoin drop back to where it came from $0.0001"

Claims of $300 etc were just points along the path towards his prediction of zero.

"Poor guy", seriously? What marks him as a troll is the lack of any attempt to justify his position. When pushed, he just responds "final capitulation its going to zero sell sell!!11". Even if it did go to $1, I wouldn't consider him to have been "right", because his position isn't based on anything other than emotion.

There are better bears to listen to.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: K128kevin2 on November 20, 2014, 11:18:09 AM
Falllling was NOT right. How do people think he was right? Why on earth would anybody apologize to him? He just always said that the price would go down. Of course the price will go down at some point, so then he would just say that he was right. If the price went up, he would call it a "dead cat bounce" and then claim that he was right when the price went down again. Bitcoin ALWAYS goes up and down... Furthermore he gave absolutely no basis for his predictions, so he was essentially just randomly guessing. If someone is just guessing and you call them an idiot, you don't owe them an apology if their prediction comes true (which it didn't). This guy was a complete idiot and nobody should apologize to him.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: var53 on November 20, 2014, 11:57:56 AM
I think falllling was banned for extreme spamming and not his ultra bearish opinions. It was reaching the point where it was difficult to find a thread without multiple identical falllling posts on every page.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Febo on November 20, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
Why they always ban good people and not the criminals?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 01:18:27 PM
Why they always ban good people and not the criminals?
Criminals can't be good people? What about Robin Hood?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Elwar on November 20, 2014, 02:04:33 PM
I think he was banned for making so many alt users.

Like riiiising.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: 600watt on November 20, 2014, 02:13:42 PM
no


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Thylacine on November 20, 2014, 02:17:52 PM
No.

I've no problem with bearish sentiment, but so many posts were just blatant click-bait rants with no or very little technical, fundamental, or otherwise justification for his vision of bitcoin-pocalypse-mageddon.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Dafar on November 20, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
No I'm glad that annoying dickhead is banned


I didn't believe in the 234 bubble cycle either, and on Dec 2013 I even mentioned the entire year of 2014 would be bearish (lucky guess though)... but I don't spam and rub it in people's face


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: kwukduck on November 20, 2014, 03:00:33 PM
I hate to admit it, but he has been spot on every time. It was just extremely annoying he would make a new doom and disaster topic every 30 minutes.
Just look what happened the past 2-3 weeks, we thought the decline was over, big volume got us to 450 and in a few days we crashed all the way back , 6% lower than a month ago, with just 1/5th of the volume to get to 450, that is an extremely negative signal... Nobody is willing to buy apparently, so my prediction is we may see double digits even before the end of the year.

I'm suspecting a bot again though. Notice how the dumps are always around 375/750/1500/3000 BT range..?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on November 20, 2014, 03:26:14 PM
What, you think he's not still here?

I like how he posts from different usernames with varying typing styles.

Sometimes he's Indian, sometimes he somewhat intelligent, sometimes he shows a small hint of bullishness in an attempt to throw off the scent.

Fallling is still here...and we don't owe him an apology.

Most of you people haven't been around BTC long enough to know that this sort of "bear" market has already happened before...and will continue to happen. These "markets" are cyclical.

People on here make me want Bitcoin to fail with your get-rich-now expectations.


They banned the poor guy's IP. He's gone, and the people you're describing aren't fallling, they're entirely different posters who merely share a similar sentiment. You think he's the only guy in the world bearish on bitcoin?  :D

Clearly you have no idea how easy it is to spoof an IP address.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: njcarlos on November 20, 2014, 03:27:02 PM
Why they always ban good people and not the criminals?
Criminals can't be good people? What about Robin Hood?
Means, ends, and all that. Robin Hood is a poor choice, btw. He was stealing from crooks as they were, so... it's not entirely unjustified, more reclaiming of what was stolen.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: johnyj on November 20, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
There are still too much hope here  :D

Market will reach its bottom when you can only see people who don't care about the exchange rate in this forum: Those programmers, merchants, project developers


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 04:07:22 PM
The market is bled out. Now money is ignoring the market and focusing on development. Commerce will be the market, not Mt Gox clones.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on November 20, 2014, 04:47:59 PM
Quote
blah blah broken clock, twice a day blah blah

I don't know how anyone can make that comparison, given that bitcoin has been on a steady decline for a full year now. Sure there are various false recoveries along the way (just like last week) but if you zoom out to the weekly chart, you'll see it's been a pretty clear pattern.

Mr. Falllling has been calling it along the entire way. And anyone who followed the advice of the bullish posters on this sub forum (the majority) have lost a lot of money this year. Sure, there's got to be some elite (lucky) trader out there who timed the false rallies perfectly and made a little, but they're few and far between.

Guys, it's time to swallow our pride and admit he was right.



Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 20, 2014, 04:54:46 PM
Quote
blah blah broken clock, twice a day blah blah

I don't know how anyone can make that comparison, given that bitcoin has been on a steady decline for a full year now. Sure there are various false recoveries along the way (just like last week) but if you zoom out to the weekly chart, you'll see it's been a pretty clear pattern.

Mr. Falllling has been calling it along the entire way. And anyone who followed the advice of the bullish posters on this sub forum (the majority) have lost a lot of money this year. Sure, there's got to be some elite (lucky) trader out there who timed the false rallies perfectly and made a little, but they're few and far between.

Guys, it's time to swallow our pride and admit he was right.


Take a look at the 6 month chart volume. It is much higher in the latter months. There is much indecision at these price levels and volatility is increasing. It's starting to look like the water is coming to a boil. If the price is kept down, it will blow the lid right off the kettle.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: xDan on November 20, 2014, 05:50:08 PM
Quote
blah blah broken clock, twice a day blah blah

I don't know how anyone can make that comparison, given that bitcoin has been on a steady decline for a full year now. Sure there are various false recoveries along the way (just like last week) but if you zoom out to the weekly chart, you'll see it's been a pretty clear pattern.

Mr. Falllling has been calling it along the entire way. And anyone who followed the advice of the bullish posters on this sub forum (the majority) have lost a lot of money this year. Sure, there's got to be some elite (lucky) trader out there who timed the false rallies perfectly and made a little, but they're few and far between.

Guys, it's time to swallow our pride and admit he was right.
Now I'm convinced you are falllling too. :D You are having so much fun.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: FallllingIsWatchingY on November 20, 2014, 05:50:37 PM
Falllling was NOT right. How do people think he was right? Why on earth would anybody apologize to him? He just always said that the price would go down. Of course the price will go down at some point, so then he would just say that he was right. If the price went up, he would call it a "dead cat bounce" and then claim that he was right when the price went down again. Bitcoin ALWAYS goes up and down... Furthermore he gave absolutely no basis for his predictions, so he was essentially just randomly guessing. If someone is just guessing and you call them an idiot, you don't owe them an apology if their prediction comes true (which it didn't). This guy was a complete idiot and nobody should apologize to him.

Hello, since i am not interested in sharing more info with this new account, so i will then just copy some info that I or Falllling gave out at long time ago, see it yourself if all these reasons are right all the time and being proved more and more correct especially in recent days:

why bitcoin is going to nowhere but down?

goxed,no one with a college degree will invest any serious sums into bitcoin after MTGOX fiasco, The market is currently only a playground for gamblers and fanatics
51% pool (easy came easy gone easy return)
crackers and governments and shit having 1200k coins(mtgox 200k, Ross Ulbricht 140k, crackers: 850k)
no new money
governments warning and banning
many scam IPOs including Ethereum and others
everyone is selling / spending
Dell / Expedia / Newegg / House dealer / etc are selling in real time
Winklevoss ETF will actually be shot down
GABI is already priced in but shorting on bitcoin or failed to raise fund ($200 million is just fake)
Dubai exchange won't create any thing new
more PayPal or whatever businesses "accept" bitcoin (immediately dump it on exchanges via market sells), the more it will crash.
etc..

and to those still saying bitcoin always go down or up, come on, where is the "UP" are you talking about? the current price $362 is an up to you after all this year? bitcoin started it's all the way drop down from long time ago, it was and it is and it will only drop lower and lower along with some fake/short/weaker dead cat bounces, stop lying to yourself. YES, we haven't hit the all time low ($0.001) yet, the price at 2011 is still much lower than today's but have you ever think about that we are going back to it right the way? sooner or later we will face the $0.001 again and break it..


Why they always ban good people and not the criminals?

ask blitz, today, permabulls and bulltrolls are making bitcoin more and more likely to be a ponzi scheme by promising fake dreams at bitcoin forum, guess who is helping them?

.. Even if it did go to $1, I wouldn't consider him to have been "right", because his position isn't based on anything other than emotion..

There are better bears to listen to.

yes, i know you won't


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Buffer Overflow on November 20, 2014, 06:16:39 PM
I can be 100% right as well. Here's how:

I open two accounts. One account I scream price will fall, the other account I shout the price will rise. I then abandoned the account I was wrong in and keep the winner and collect my ill earned praise.

A very very old confidence trick that one.
Surprised so many got sucked in.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: abercrombie on November 20, 2014, 09:02:47 PM
Yes, as we're about to celebrate Thanksgiving, maybe you throw a toast or at the very least, a thought and prayer his way.  ;D


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 21, 2014, 01:20:24 AM
Yes, as we're about to celebrate Thanksgiving, maybe you throw a toast or at the very least, a thought and prayer his way.  ;D
Does buying a turkey count?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: smalltimer on November 21, 2014, 06:24:40 AM
a yeah? Not the first time i hear people are removed for having not the right opinion (bitcoin to the moon and no other option).  Maybe btctalk is just one big brainwash attempt.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: cbeast on November 21, 2014, 06:58:19 AM
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Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: Wilhelm on November 21, 2014, 08:33:21 AM
a yeah? Not the first time i hear people are removed for having not the right opinion (bitcoin to the moon and no other option).  Maybe btctalk is just one big brainwash attempt.

Ever try selling Mercedes on a Porsche forum?


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on November 21, 2014, 07:13:49 PM
Now I'm convinced you are falllling too. :D You are having so much fun.

Check my posting history, I was just another foolish bulltard. But at least I'm cognizant enough to recognize when the game is over, and falllling was right.. should have listened to him at $680.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: DeadCoin on November 21, 2014, 07:22:51 PM
Now I'm convinced you are falllling too. :D You are having so much fun.

Check my posting history, I was just another foolish bulltard. But at least I'm cognizant enough to recognize when the game is over, and falllling was right.. should have listened to him at $680.

Why would anyone bother with another forum persona? It's safe to say you're 90% him. Maybe even more.


Title: Re: Do We Owe Falllling an Apology?
Post by: riiiiising on January 14, 2015, 04:29:47 PM
Once again, falllling was proven correct. You permabulls must be feeling pretty stupid now.