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Economy => Gambling => Topic started by: NLNico on November 29, 2014, 03:13:14 AM



Title: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 29, 2014, 03:13:14 AM
I like to introduce my website https://dicesites.com

On DiceSites.com there is:
- an overview of dice sites
- statistics of these websites (updated automatically every 15 mins)
- graphs to compare the websites
- provably fair verifiers for most popular dice sites
- more features later :)

Basically it should give you a way to compare dice sites without reading subjective reviews. And just checking out the activity of several dice sites.

Any feature requests or feedback is welcome. I personally still have a lot of ideas/plans too.

https://dicesites.com


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: SpreadBit on November 29, 2014, 03:22:49 AM
Nice job mate, could be improved.
Cheers!


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: sandykho47 on November 29, 2014, 07:14:27 AM
You only going to add dice sites ?
And when i take a look, the list still far from complete. You might want to add more sites like SafeDice / BikiniDice

And please don't forget to give information about faucet / free BTC  ;D


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 29, 2014, 07:52:41 AM
Yes. Dice sites only :)

The list is currently indeed not meant to list "all dice sites", but mostly "all established popular dice sites". I do know both SafeDice and BikiniDice are gaining some activity, so I will definitely consider them as they become more popular.

I am planning to add much more information about each dice site, including faucet information indeed :) And other general information like if there is a mobile site, what are the minimum deposits, bets, withdrawals and investments. FB/Twitter/etc. links. And more.

Thanks for the suggestions :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DirectDice on November 29, 2014, 08:34:17 AM
Please add :

Direct Dice (http://directbet.eu/Event.cshtml?EventID=777) - Provably Fair block-chain based dice betting game featuring no house edge for frequent bettors, 10 BTC Jackpot and parlay with sport bets. - http://directbet.eu/Event.cshtml?EventID=777

All-In Poker Flips (http://www.directbet.eu/Poker.cshtml) - Provably Fair block-chain based Texas Hold'em Poker betting game where you go all-in pre-flop with a hand of your choice against any hand you choose.
All-In Poker Flips is a more exciting variation of a provably fair dice. - http://www.directbet.eu/Poker.cshtml

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

All the Best,

Michelle



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Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Frank.SD on November 29, 2014, 12:17:34 PM
Can you list our dice site http://safedice.com ?

We have a floating house edge(0.5% by default) and more than 1BTC max bet under a higher edge.

Thank you very much.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fedor3327 on November 29, 2014, 01:37:31 PM
I think that there is some code error in Primedice verifier coz results not equal like here:
http://rgbkey.github.io/verify/PrimeDice/
Rgbkey shows right value.

Regards.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 29, 2014, 02:14:51 PM
fedor3327, thanks a lot. Had a silly mistake in my javascript, fixed now. If you post your addy I will send u a BTC0.015 tip, if u want :)



DirectDice, currently I am only listing off-chain dice games. But I am really considering to add a separate on-chain page. My site is mostly meant for statistics though, and AFAIK you guys don't show statistics?

Frank.SD, currently I intend to list the most active dice websites that have been around for a while. I can see however that even for the first 2-3 weeks you guys have had very decent action. Therefor I will definitely consider to add your website as it becomes more popular. GL.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fedor3327 on November 29, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
fedor3327, thanks a lot. Had a silly mistake in my javascript, fixed now. If you post your addy I will send u a BTC0.015 tip, if u want :)

You are welcome. Why not :)

Addy: 1GWQYJmociqjGkBS9PTfYP4VUJSFkphnXZ


Regards.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 30, 2014, 01:24:20 PM
Sent :) https://blockchain.info/tx/35da8553d3657d9be66f5cd3b984e2e59c856503d7a092bedebbd6ae1c5b6564


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fedor3327 on November 30, 2014, 03:09:22 PM
I got it. :)
Thanks.

Regards.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 10, 2014, 03:16:28 AM
Added Just-Dice with CLAM: http://dicesites.com


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: oldmate on December 10, 2014, 11:22:48 AM
I like your provably fair page. Nicely written.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Jerome? on December 10, 2014, 11:41:03 AM
I think Win88 has an invest option with it.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Peter882 on December 10, 2014, 11:47:04 AM
I think Win88 has an invest option with it.

It used to have an invest option, but it has been closed for more than 2 months already.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 10, 2014, 12:05:13 PM
I like your provably fair page. Nicely written.
Thanks, I actually just made that today so I am glad you like it.

For others: I made a provably fair explanation here: http://dicesites.com/provably-fair and did my best to make it as simple/clear as possible :)

I think Win88 has an invest option with it.

It used to have an invest option, but it has been closed for more than 2 months already.
Correct. They currently do allow private investors of at least 10 BTC (or if you already had an investment before.) Because of this I just decided to call it "no invest option" since it's not really open and I don't have access to statistics of it either.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Ondin on December 10, 2014, 09:46:44 PM
I NLNico you absolutely need to add Bikinidice, a site that is growing day by day. ;D


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: CryptoFuture on December 10, 2014, 11:31:11 PM
Would love my site, diggit.io (https://diggit.io) to be added if it can :). I guess it's not technically dice though


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on December 11, 2014, 12:55:07 AM
Would love my site, diggit.io (https://diggit.io) to be added if it can :). I guess it's not technically dice though

My thoughts about money pot as well. We'd actually be the #3 by week if listed (moneypot.com/stats, with 1431.9 BTC in the last week)

Although, what I think makes this site great is how it's a focused and curated list instead of full of junk and scams. But perhaps in the future NLNico could make a fork for all gambling sites


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 11, 2014, 04:54:59 AM
Yeh, the biggest problem is most non-dice gambling sites are not open with their stats (mostly just "no of bets" - which is least important to me.) IMO casinos (slots/BJ/etc), poker, sportbooks, etc. are not really comparable to dice sites anyway. I think for these sites other things are more relevant than comparing the current listed statistics. I am planning to make separate websites for those with a slightly different concept for each type of game.

Obviously MoneyPot and diggit.io are 2 exemptions from that and could easily be compared to the dice sites since the stats are also transparent. But the "only" problem is that it's dicesites.com hehe :P I do like both sites so I will still consider if there is any way I could add them in the future.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Holderbert on December 11, 2014, 02:58:41 PM
May i ask where you got your PD data from? They are not mentioning the amount wagered anywhere.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 11, 2014, 03:08:21 PM
The amount wagered is in their stats API: https://api.primedice.com/api/stats/1/


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: hopenotlate on December 11, 2014, 03:21:38 PM
Hey Nico,
good job with this thread.
Just want to inform, if you are not aware already, about BikiniDice.com: they are still small but are growing fast.
Have a look and judge if it's worth adding it or not  :)

 


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 11, 2014, 04:48:30 PM
Thanks. I am currently only adding established and most popular sites. I do monitor BikiniDice and I will add them as they become more popular.

Also: one thing I don't like about them, is that you need PHP (experience) and a Linux environment to check your roll results (PHP+Windows doesn't even work.) This basically makes them not provably fair for most users. All the big dice websites use almost the same method with a few variations. They generally use functions like SHA256 hashing, HMAC_SHA512 hashing, etc. that have many online tools when you google "HMAC SHA512 hash online", this makes it easy to manually verify. Also, these functions are available in Javascript so it allows other developers, like myself, to make a verifier for it (that transparently runs in the browser.) BikiniDice is the only site that has to use a specific PHP function that only works on Linux.

Provably fair is not just an algorithm to calculate the roll results. It is a tool for users to verify their rolls to make sure they were not cheated. So this should be as easy as possible for the users.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: TheBomber999 on December 12, 2014, 01:23:18 PM
Thanks. I am currently only adding established and most popular sites. I do monitor BikiniDice and I will add them as they become more popular.

Hi NLNico,
thanks for your interest.

one thing I don't like about them, is that you need PHP (experience) and a Linux environment to check your roll results (PHP+Windows doesn't even work.) This basically makes them not provably fair for most users. All the big dice websites use almost the same method with a few variations. They generally use functions like SHA256 hashing, HMAC_SHA512 hashing, etc. that have many online tools when you google "HMAC SHA512 hash online", this makes it easy to manually verify. Also, these functions are available in Javascript so it allows other developers, like myself, to make a verifier for it (that transparently runs in the browser.) BikiniDice is the only site that has to use a specific PHP function that only works on Linux.


Just a note.
All users can check provably fair with a third part site.
Users can verify that by copy and past the code on single bet page (https://www.bikinidice.com/1418342400-bet/61520 (https://www.bikinidice.com/1418342400-bet/61520)) in one of the many site like these (and many other):
http://writecodeonline.com/php/ (http://writecodeonline.com/php/)
http://phptester.net/ (http://phptester.net/)
http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_php_online.php (http://www.tutorialspoint.com/execute_php_online.php)

Isn't so difficult verify our provably fair :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 12, 2014, 01:54:50 PM
Mm yeh I guess an "online PHP executor" is a decent/quick way to check your roll results currently. Still I hope you understand I would personally prefer not something specific to a programming language and OS.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: TheBomber999 on December 12, 2014, 02:06:41 PM
Still I hope you understand I would personally prefer not something specific to a programming language and OS.

Thanks for your opinion, we will work on it ;)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: vit1988 on December 16, 2014, 12:19:49 AM
I'd love to see coinichiwa in that list :)

Let me know when you consider it established enough and I'll be happy to provide a statistics api.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BayAreaCoins on December 16, 2014, 02:46:32 AM
Great site!

Gj


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ticoti on December 16, 2014, 03:04:37 AM
cool site, I can't see fortunejack in the list
can you add it?

I like to play some bits in the website


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 22, 2014, 11:04:14 AM
Thanks all. I am still planning to add more sites and features. Just don't have that much time lately with the holidays :)

The current sites should be all updated automatically every 15 minutes though, so site is still okay :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ComboChris on December 22, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
I like how the bitdice.me wagered graph is so much higher than the others that you actually can't see it when you hover over it, because the text overlay is in the way ^^


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: UnlikelyStory on December 22, 2014, 07:00:57 PM
Dice is boring.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: bitbaby on December 23, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
Nice list. Really big difference among PD and others in terms of amount of bets played and BTC wagered. Although, their daily bets and daily wagered seems to be dropping, wonder why.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Yuki1988 on December 23, 2014, 05:45:30 PM
Nice list. Really big difference among PD and others in terms of amount of bets played and BTC wagered. Although, their daily bets and daily wagered seems to be dropping, wonder why.

I believe it has to do with Christmas. Players need to spend their bitcoin on Christmas gift, and spend time to prepare for the coming party. :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Gianluca95 on December 23, 2014, 06:39:40 PM
Why don't you insert Bikinidice in your list of dicesites? Anyway, I see your website very structured and I like it. Do you take money for insert sites in your list and then insert graphs and other things?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: adaseb on December 23, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
Its actually a pretty good and useful site with the info.

But how exactly is it ranked?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: unamis76 on December 23, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
Very cool website, thanks!


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Holderbert on December 23, 2014, 07:46:23 PM
BitDice.me wagered over 20k BTC this week wtf?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Yuki1988 on December 23, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
BitDice.me wagered over 20k BTC this week wtf?

Yup they are growing rapidly, and has recently increased their max payout per bet to 80 bitcoin (the highest among all site AFAIK).


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: hopenotlate on December 28, 2014, 07:05:33 PM
BitDice.me wagered over 20k BTC this week wtf?

Yup they are growing rapidly, and has recently increased their max payout per bet to 80 bitcoin (the highest among all site AFAIK).


ouch, they have really good numbers.

never been there, guess I should have a try


Do they have an autobet option?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Criterion on January 11, 2015, 05:36:10 PM
I must say ireally like the idea behind this website  :P
Note: It does not seem to be updating properly the past few days.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Convicted2008 on January 11, 2015, 10:33:00 PM
You can add tittie-dice.com to the list


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 12, 2015, 12:40:13 AM
I must say ireally like the idea behind this website  :P
Note: It does not seem to be updating properly the past few days.
Thanks.

Yeh the "total" statistics are still updating every 15 minutes automatic.

But I am having some problems with the historic data (graphs and top 10) Basically I am triggering that update manually, so that is a bit off time to time. I am looking for a permanent fix :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BayAreaCoins on January 12, 2015, 12:41:22 AM
I do love the shit out of this sites lay out for sure.

Great job.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: chriswen on January 24, 2015, 03:46:07 AM
Your just-dice graph is a bit weird because they changed how they calculated bankroll for a few days.  Wondering if you could fix that.


Also this link shows how much clams are in the main just-dice staking wallet.  Not sure if you want to include it.

http://khashier.com/chain/Clam/q/addressbalance/xJDCLAMZ9rQ11tMf7JUw1Zzvjm5ShkryrU


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: trafficolaa on January 24, 2015, 11:57:51 AM
great job dude, nice site about dice game,
keep it up, it's very helpful to get start.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: 1gallon on March 18, 2015, 01:55:29 AM
hi are you able to add safedice and its verifier to the site?

safedice has over 3500 btc wagered now


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DogecoinMachine on March 18, 2015, 10:56:59 AM
Hi, can you add https://www.crypto-games.net (https://www.crypto-games.net) to dicesites?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on March 18, 2015, 11:34:09 AM
I am planning to add more sites in a next update. I am just really busy with client projects, so I am not sure when this will be.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: manwithat on March 18, 2015, 02:53:32 PM
It's really interesting have a list where see the best places to invest, thank you. Great job.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ETFbitcoin on March 18, 2015, 03:19:55 PM
Do you have any plans to add more dice sites like Safedice.com ?
Recently, there are more gambler than usual


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Minnlo on March 18, 2015, 03:32:21 PM
Do you have any plans to add more dice sites like Safedice.com ?
Recently, there are more gambler than usual

NLNico has answered that already (just 2 posts above). He will add more sites in the future, but he is busy now.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: SatoshiDICE_PR on April 13, 2015, 11:53:17 PM
Hello and thanks for listing us and showing very interesting stats on your site! I see it appears to be listing Max profit for Satoshi Dice in almost real time but the bankroll is not updated so often. I made the global stats API call also return the current bankroll at https://session.satoshidice.com/globalstats/ and hope that would make things easy to use! (I'll be adding current cold storage addresses and balances too)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: zinjo on April 14, 2015, 02:45:47 AM
Thanks for making this website as it's really helpful tbh :D


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 14, 2015, 06:17:33 AM
Thanks for all the feedback and replies guys.

Hello and thanks for listing us and showing very interesting stats on your site! I see it appears to be listing Max profit for Satoshi Dice in almost real time but the bankroll is not updated so often. I made the global stats API call also return the current bankroll at https://session.satoshidice.com/globalstats/ and hope that would make things easy to use! (I'll be adding cold current cold storage addresses and balances too)
Cool, updated.



Also:
- added SafeDice + SafeDice provably fair verifier (http://dicesites.com/safedice/verifier)
- added JustDice provably fair verifier (http://dicesites.com/justdice/verifier) finally
- added all currencies for BitDice

I am still planning to add much more sites/casinos/features/tools/etc. if I am less busy :)



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: trafficolaa on April 15, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
i am using your verifier link for dice sites to check my bet status that is great service and working nice for me,
i would like to see verifier link for dadice.com so when you are going to add into the list?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 16, 2015, 08:12:41 AM
I don't expect to add newer sites like DaDice to the stats list any time soon (just with a next bigger update.) But I did just add a verifier for it:

http://dicesites.com/dadice/verifier


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: trafficolaa on April 16, 2015, 08:24:11 AM
I don't expect to add newer sites like DaDice to the stats list any time soon (just with a next bigger update.) But I did just add a verifier for it:

http://dicesites.com/dadice/verifier

thanks NLNico for adding a verifier link to dadice, i wish dadice will stay for a long time and we will see it into your list,


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on April 24, 2015, 04:53:19 PM
Will u add diggit.io?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: srgkrgkj on April 24, 2015, 05:02:10 PM
OP its nice to see a classification of Dice Sites, a really intresting and informative site you got please keep up the amazing work :D


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: amiryaqot on April 24, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Will u add diggit.io?

diggit.io is not a dice site and that service is only dice related sites, i don't think OP will add diggit into the list.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on April 24, 2015, 05:29:47 PM
Will u add diggit.io?

diggit.io is not a dice site and that service is only dice related sites, i don't think OP will add diggit into the list.

Does it really matter? It is a big site and should be added for investors and gamblers can follow site
Would be nice to compare diggit to other sites


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on April 24, 2015, 05:45:15 PM
I recommend https://dadice.com guys.
I know it's gained a fair amount of exposure already on these forums but for anybody not sure where to gamble & have fun can I suggest dadice.com

Thanks guys

LFC_Bitcoin


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: amiryaqot on April 24, 2015, 06:08:50 PM
Will u add diggit.io?

diggit.io is not a dice site and that service is only dice related sites, i don't think OP will add diggit into the list.

Does it really matter? It is a big site and should be added for investors and gamblers can follow site
Would be nice to compare diggit to other sites

OP offering that service only for dice sites  and diggit is minesweeper totally different gambling site.



On DiceSites.com there is:

- an overview of dice sites

- provably fair verifiers for most popular dice sites



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 25, 2015, 02:26:50 AM
Yeh, but I actually do plan to add a few non-dice sites that I think are relevant for the dice community. However, they will probably be "hidden" under a filter so new visitors would only see dice sites (like it should be :)) So basically still focused on dice sites but a few optional related sites for the power users :)

Also I am a bit surprised to see that DaDice doesn't have any public statistics (afaik?) yet they are accepting investments. So I can't really add them at this point.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ETFbitcoin on April 25, 2015, 03:23:59 AM
Yeh, but I actually do plan to add a few non-dice sites that I think are relevant for the dice community. However, they will probably be "hidden" under a filter so new visitors would only see dice sites (like it should be :)) So basically still focused on dice sites but a few optional related sites for the power users :)

Also I am a bit surprised to see that DaDice doesn't have any public statistics (afaik?) yet they are accepting investments. So I can't really add them at this point.

Why don't you make a button, so every user can see the "hidden" non-dice sites

Also, the public statistics that i have found at DaDice only total roll number & bankroll


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 25, 2015, 04:07:15 AM
Yes, it will be a filter so just a checkbox that every visitor can press if they want to see non-dice sites.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Havelivi on April 25, 2015, 07:20:26 AM
Yes, it will be a filter so just a checkbox that every visitor can press if they want to see non-dice sites.

that will be much nice to see verifier about non-dice sites, which sites are at the moment into your wish list in that upcoming update?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 25, 2015, 07:32:00 AM
Probably
Dice:
- FortuneJack
- SatoshiDice onchain
Alt:
- Bustabit
- Diggit
- LuckyBit


Maybe
Dice:
- Coinroll
- Rollin
- Coinichiwa
- DaDice
- Any other dice site with a decent wagered amount and activity.
Alt:
- 64blocks



I am not sure yet, but there will be many filters at least so people who wish to only see the simple list of most popular dice sites, are still able to.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: trafficolaa on April 25, 2015, 07:53:40 AM
Probably
Dice:
- FortuneJack
- SatoshiDice onchain
Alt:
- Bustabit
- Diggit
- LuckyBit


Maybe
Dice:
- Coinroll
- Rollin
- Coinichiwa
- DaDice
- Any other dice site with a decent wagered amount and activity.
Alt:
- 64blocks



I am not sure yet, but there will be many filters at least so people who wish to only see the simple list of most popular dice sites, are still able to.

great to know for next update i love to use your service for verify my bets on dice, Dadice and rollin will be great addition there and non-dice like luckybit,bustabit and diggit also interesting.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Havelivi on April 25, 2015, 08:00:56 AM
Probably
Dice:
- FortuneJack
- SatoshiDice onchain
Alt:
- Bustabit
- Diggit
- LuckyBit


Maybe
Dice:
- Coinroll
- Rollin
- Coinichiwa
- DaDice
- Any other dice site with a decent wagered amount and activity.
Alt:
- 64blocks



I am not sure yet, but there will be many filters at least so people who wish to only see the simple list of most popular dice sites, are still able to.

thank you for posting the list about upcoming update for dice and alt sites, Dadice is great dice site and happy to see into your list. Bustabit and luckybit also nice sites to try something different.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 25, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
Well if they only post number of bets and br I doubt that I will add them. But perhaps in the future they will be more transparent. Since they allow investments, they should have public stats imo.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on April 30, 2015, 01:58:43 AM
It might not reach your criteria for popularity (it's in its a rather prenatal state) but if you want to consider it for its novelty:

Site: DustDice.com
Logo: http://s22.postimg.org/h20wb998d/dustdice150.png (150x60)
DustDice Stats: https://www.moneypot.com/apps/1-dust-dice  (I can make an API if you prefer)
Bankroll Stats: https://www.moneypot.com/investment  (Global Bankroll, non-specific to DustDice)
Provably Fair Info: https://www.moneypot.com/provably-fair

Let me know if there's anything else that would help



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 30, 2015, 09:19:02 AM
Thnx, in a future update I will add it. It might be (hidden by default) under a "new sites checkbox" though. Just like Bustabit would be hidden under an "alternative sites checkbox". Obviously if DustDice gets more popular w/ more wagered it will be shown by default. GL w/ all 3 sites ;)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: scat on April 30, 2015, 10:23:19 AM
nice website for reference and compare dice sites each other, especially reference for people who are new to bitcoin dice site.
maybe you can add some information about invest option , risk level etc . Goodluck  :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 01, 2015, 01:37:07 AM
Thanks, yeh good idea. Def planning to make an investment page :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: arallmuus on May 02, 2015, 05:57:15 AM
So i have been wondering where do you get the data for the total wagered since PrimeDice has omitted that from the homepage ? and also I only saw abit of dicesites listed on your sites which dadice and rollin.io is not included although both sides seems to be getting some attraction lately.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 02, 2015, 08:10:40 AM
So i have been wondering where do you get the data for the total wagered since PrimeDice has omitted that from the homepage ?
The amount wagered is in their stats API: https://api.primedice.com/api/stats/1/
:)

and also I only saw abit of dicesites listed on your sites which dadice and rollin.io is not included although both sides seems to be getting some attraction lately.
Currently it's only for the most popular sites that have been around for a while. In the future I will add more newer sites. rollin.io actually has been around for a while but afaik they only share number of bets, not wagered amount :(


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: arallmuus on May 02, 2015, 01:46:40 PM
So i have been wondering where do you get the data for the total wagered since PrimeDice has omitted that from the homepage ?
The amount wagered is in their stats API: https://api.primedice.com/api/stats/1/
:)

Never thought that you can get that status from the API and it makes me wonder why stunna take down the wagered BTC amount from their sites if it is still available through their API

and also I only saw abit of dicesites listed on your sites which dadice and rollin.io is not included although both sides seems to be getting some attraction lately.
Currently it's only for the most popular sites that have been around for a while. In the future I will add more newer sites. rollin.io actually has been around for a while but afaik they only share number of bets, not wagered amount :(

It must been a real pain to add the new sites each time they pop out so I think your reason of only adding the popular sites is indeed correct. Wonder how long does it takes for a sites to be added in your sites by your definition of "popular and has been around for a while"?

P.S : is there a way to know number of bet per day in a sites? this could be a better parameter to know the effect of PrimeDice no longer accepting player from US


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 02, 2015, 02:29:06 PM
It must been a real pain to add the new sites each time they pop out so I think your reason of only adding the popular sites is indeed correct. Wonder how long does it takes for a sites to be added in your sites by your definition of "popular and has been around for a while"?
I don't have official requirements but probably at least 6 months old and at least couple thousand wagered.

P.S : is there a way to know number of bet per day in a sites? this could be a better parameter to know the effect of PrimeDice no longer accepting player from US
Yes. For a specific site click "more info & stats" and check "Daily bets" graph. For all sites you can also watch "Graphs" page with "Daily bets" graph (all sites in 1 graph.)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 07, 2015, 04:18:27 AM
BTW since a week the graph / top 10 data is updating every 15 minutes again and seems to be working fine :)

I do like to emphasize that the last data point in the graph is always for "today" in EST time. So during the day it might look like today is gonna be a bad day for a site even though there are still plenty of hours to go.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: siwakotisaurav on July 05, 2015, 11:06:00 AM
I think it is time for you to include dadice now, 10k+ btc wagered and has been some months since it started. And its getting many HRs as well, on an average it gets 200+ BTC wagered everyday.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: erwin45hacked on July 05, 2015, 11:09:17 AM
I think it is time for you to include dadice now, 10k+ btc wagered and has been some months since it started. And its getting many HRs as well, on an average it gets 200+ BTC wagered everyday.

You are kidding right? there is no way for dadice to get added after all the drama about the cold wallet. Next on the list to be added will be betterbets.io  ;), sooner or later it will.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: siwakotisaurav on July 05, 2015, 11:23:03 AM
I think it is time for you to include dadice now, 10k+ btc wagered and has been some months since it started. And its getting many HRs as well, on an average it gets 200+ BTC wagered everyday.

You are kidding right? there is no way for dadice to get added after all the drama about the cold wallet. Next on the list to be added will be betterbets.io  ;), sooner or later it will.
Yeah I kinda of guessed that was the reason , well personally I still like it so thats why.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: casinobitcoin on July 12, 2015, 03:17:00 AM
Nice Site!


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on July 25, 2015, 10:12:39 PM
Your JD stats is wrong

Weekly wager is around 190k clam and other stats is not updated.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 26, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
Thnx. Seems like the socket changed a bit, I had it fixed a week ago but still seems broken :p I will fix it later today.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cazkooo on July 26, 2015, 07:00:03 AM
I enjoy your site, very helpfull especially the verifier page  :). I know that you will not add a new casino to your site but I think you can atleast add their verifier first to the site isnt it to help people to verify the bet. There are some sites verifier that I want to request like rollin.io, fortunejack.com and betterbets.io


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on July 26, 2015, 08:38:49 PM
dont satoshi dice have 2 cold wallets? U have just one in stats


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: shitaifan2013 on July 26, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
dont satoshi dice have 2 cold wallets? U have just one in stats

yep, they do :)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=77870.msg11930478#msg11930478

dicesites.com is currently only able to display one per site entry.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 31, 2015, 09:09:12 AM
Yeh, that is correct. Will add "multiple address support" in the future :)


Updates:
- Added BetterBets.io (https://betterbets.io/?ref=1301156) and a BetterBets provably fair verifier (https://dicesites.com/betterbets/verifier)
- Removed Win88 since that site is basically dead
- Removed BitDice RDD since they don't support that altcoin anymore
- Removed PeerBet HUC & XPM since they don't support those altcoins anymore




@NLNico that sounds great betterbets get listed to dicesites collection so that is great achievement for BB team, i am also interested to know about how they will make satisfied you for your listed question and when the verifier link will be functional to verify bet result through this.
It's mostly about wagered amount (=popularity) and site age. However since BB uses MoneyPot and the funds/RNG/etc are on MP (so the player mostly has to trust MP), the site age is less relevant to me. BB has almost 4k wagered in 2 months, which is pretty good for a new site.

To have a quick overview of other sites not listed (in no specific order):

- crypto-games, ~1.2k total - not enough, but will consider in the future.
- mydice, ~1k total - not enough, but will consider in the future.
- DustDice, 459 total - not enough, but will consider in the future.
- DirectDice, no stats at all.
- fortunejack, seems not very transparant, I would like to see stats per currency and ideally per game too. They used to have per currency, but not anymore. I could make a verifier for it though.
- DaDice, I consider them very untrustworthy because of the way they refused to show proof of solvency therefor I will not promote them to others.
- Coinichiwa, 4k wagered so I will still consider them, but seems activity has slowed down last few months.
- coinroll, it seems to me they don't have much activity these days, but I will monitor them a bit to see if that's actually true.
- diggit.io/bustabit/LuckyBit, I expect to add non-dice sites in the future but hidden by default (filter)
- Rollin, I actually expect to add this site soon.
- I think that is most of the sites that at least have some activity? Always open to suggestions :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on July 31, 2015, 01:07:12 PM
Nice update. Your btctalk link to bitdice is wrong. And i think jd weekly wager is wrong?



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 01, 2015, 02:14:49 AM
Correct, thanks. Changed BD btctalk link. JD weekly fixed and should not have any problems any more now hehe :P


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 15, 2015, 11:30:26 AM
Added rollin, verifier will follow.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: casinobitcoin on August 17, 2015, 05:01:16 PM
PeerBet / Bit777 is for sale!

Thanks DiceSites for a lot of the 3rd party info we used.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1155004.new#new


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 24, 2015, 08:15:32 AM
You're welcome :)



Just a note for investors following my site: BitDice now has 2 cold addresses and my site can only handle 1. The other cold address is: 1P8yKwe4LMRfy1kCBgC97w6Z3D3cNLYbxg (https://blockchain.info/address/1P8yKwe4LMRfy1kCBgC97w6Z3D3cNLYbxg). Other sites like SatoshiDice and DiceNow also have multiple cold wallets, so I just still have to add that functionality. Hope to have it soon :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Enzyme on August 24, 2015, 11:56:55 AM
This website is great, is has allowed me to think through my investments. Good job for running this :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 06, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Thanks.

Added MoneyPot page with stats from all relevant MP apps > https://dicesites.com/moneypot


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crytoboost on September 06, 2015, 08:19:03 AM
Thanks.

Added MoneyPot page with stats from all relevant MP apps > http://dicesites.com/moneypot

Thanks NLNico to add all moneypot relevant apps at one place to know the current status of any app, this is great job you did.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Pony789 on September 06, 2015, 08:34:47 AM
Added MoneyPot page with stats from all relevant MP apps > http://dicesites.com/moneypot

Nice job, NLNico. I notice an app "BitcoinRush" on the list, but when I follow the link on Moneypot, it brings me to Forturejack. What is that exactly?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 06, 2015, 08:43:16 AM
This list is mostly meant for investors to see where all the stats and profits (or losses) come from. For players I advice to just stick to the "Featured apps (https://www.moneypot.com/apps)" on MoneyPot (or just my frontpage.) Because some MP apps indeed do not exist any more :P For example:

- BitcoinRush is indeed sold already, see this auction (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1148619). It seems like FortuneJack bought it under a shill account, to get visitors from people who meant to go to competitor bitcoinrush.io. Interesting.
- "HelpMyWallet" was just 1 guy betting on his own site, this site does not exist either.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: birdcat90 on September 06, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
thanks NLNico for your site..

its greatly help me to calculate my bet,,but can you make it not limited only for 99 rolls?

because i want it more than 1000 rolls as my strategy need that..

thanks


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 06, 2015, 10:03:25 AM
Ah I guess you mean this "streak calculator"? https://dicesites.com/tools sure, changed it to 1500.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 10, 2015, 07:29:16 AM
Added multiple cold addresses support for BitDice/SatoshiDice/DiceNow.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: psy112 on October 11, 2015, 10:22:55 AM
New dice site:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184476.0

Don't have an official thread yet thou since the admin got his hands full with adding new features to it!


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Shogen on October 12, 2015, 02:27:32 PM
The numbers on http://dicesites.com/moneypot don't seem to have changed for hours. Could you please take a look at it?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on October 12, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
The numbers on http://dicesites.com/moneypot don't seem to have changed for hours. Could you please take a look at it?

Probably the anti-DoS browser check rom cloudflare killing it. I'll try lower the setting, and see if MP doesn't die =)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on October 12, 2015, 03:39:50 PM
Thanks for reporting that. And Ryan thanks for changing the CloudFlare settings, the crawler indeed got the CF JS verification page. I hope MP doesn't get DDoS attacks in the future or DiceSites might be out of stats again hehe :P


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on October 12, 2015, 05:00:34 PM
New dice site:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184476.0

Don't have an official thread yet thou since the admin got his hands full with adding new features to it!
I might add them in the future if they become more popular. Feature-wise it looks all pretty good :)

I did notice that the (test?) bets of the admin are still there. That is a bit strange since it's an invest-site and besides that it would have wrong "total" stats (which means I cannot add them to my site.) So I hope that gets fixed.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: psy112 on October 12, 2015, 05:18:29 PM
New dice site:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1184476.0

Don't have an official thread yet thou since the admin got his hands full with adding new features to it!
I might add them in the future if they become more popular. Feature-wise it looks all pretty good :)

I did notice that the (test?) bets of the admin are still there. That is a bit strange since it's an invest-site and besides that it would have wrong "total" stats (which means I cannot add them to my site.) So I hope that gets fixed.

Have passed that on to the admin of the site. He's a good guy and working hard on the site.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on October 20, 2015, 07:53:17 AM
Updates
- Added Coinroll (https://dicesites.com/coinroll)
- Added Coinroll verifier (https://dicesites.com/coinroll/verifier)
- Added Rollin verifier (https://dicesites.com/rollin/verifier)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on November 20, 2015, 06:48:45 PM
PRC stats right on top10 list weekly wager?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 21, 2015, 05:02:31 PM
Yes, stats are correct, slow week for PRC.

Although it's always speculating why that would be the case (I personally generally don't see much correlation between promos a site has and their traffic.) In this situation I would say that disabling the chat and removing "all bets" tab were bad. No idea if there is a direct link with that (perhaps not - for example there was no immediate drop in wagered and bets-number is still same as days before change.) But I personally just think it's stupid to remove those features.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on November 21, 2015, 08:53:46 PM
Yes, stats are correct, slow week for PRC.

Although it's always speculating why that would be the case (I personally generally don't see much correlation between promos a site has and their traffic.) In this situation I would say that disabling the chat and removing "all bets" tab were bad. No idea if there is a direct link with that (perhaps not - for example there was no immediate drop in wagered and bets-number is still same as days before change.) But I personally just think it's stupid to remove those features.

I agree, hope he brings it back. I think chat or all bets is just positive.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on November 22, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
Dash is removed from BD


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on November 24, 2015, 05:21:45 AM
Is there any chance that you could add stats for MoneyPot that lists the same stats that sites like BitDice and SatoshiDice have that are aggregate for all the MoneyPot apps? This would be especially useful to someone considering to invest   


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on November 27, 2015, 04:55:33 PM
Dash is removed from BD
Mm yeh should remove it, thanks :)



Is there any chance that you could add stats for MoneyPot that lists the same stats that sites like BitDice and SatoshiDice have that are aggregate for all the MoneyPot apps? This would be especially useful to someone considering to invest   
Yes, I am planning to eventually make an "investor page" that would include MP (and not MP apps like BetterBets etc.) I agree that is much more relevant for the investors. Unfortunately, technically - in my current DB structure - it isn't easy.. so I am not sure when I would do this. (read: might take a few months :X :()


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ~BtcRoll.com~ on November 27, 2015, 06:06:02 PM
Thats some really interesting statistics to be honest, enjoyed reading all the sites. How did you get all this info btw, if this hasnt been asked already.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: tyz on November 27, 2015, 08:34:13 PM
I am wondering if you could add Monero dice sites to your site, too? I mean sites like Monerodice.net or SafeDice.com.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 04, 2015, 07:44:59 AM
Thats some really interesting statistics to be honest, enjoyed reading all the sites. How did you get all this info btw, if this hasnt been asked already.
The sites provide this information. Sometimes they have some JSON API, sometimes I get it straight from their HTML interface.


I am wondering if you could add Monero dice sites to your site, too? I mean sites like Monerodice.net or SafeDice.com.
SafeDice is already there :) Someone suggested Monerodice to me too, I am still considering that one.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: adzino on December 04, 2015, 12:38:41 PM
Hey NLNico,

Nice informative site you got there!

Can you please add:

Crypto-Games.net (http://crypto-games.net): We are provably fair casino with games including Dice, BlackJack, Lotto and Slots.

https://www.crypto-games.net/

-Accepts BTC and 6 more alt coins!

-Dice has a house edge of 0.8%.

-170+ million bets made

-Investment options available

If you need anymore information contact me or post in main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760

Thanks. :)




Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on December 04, 2015, 02:37:05 PM
Hey NLNico,

Nice informative site you got there!

Can you please add:

Crypto-Games.net (http://crypto-games.net): We are provably fair casino with games including Dice, BlackJack, Lotto and Slots.

https://www.crypto-games.net/

-Accepts BTC and 6 more alt coins!

-Dice has a house edge of 0.8%.

-170+ million bets made

-Investment options available

If you need anymore information contact me or post in main thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=750760

Thanks. :)



You might want to review this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.msg11786390#msg11786390) thread to review their professionalism and ability to secure their site prior to adding them.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on December 04, 2015, 03:09:33 PM
You might want to review this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.msg11786390#msg11786390) thread to review their professionalism and ability to secure their site prior to adding them.

Things got sorted out, everything was solved. The thread doesnt represent the full situation, in our opinion.
You're free to contact us about it, we're ready to explain what happened from our point of view, and even more important, what happened the days/weeks after.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fastdice_alchemist on December 09, 2015, 04:02:35 AM
Hi NLNico,

We like your site. Wondering if fastdice can be added to it?  You can use your referral link with us of course. 

We accept BTC only, 1% house edge, 35 million bets in 10 days since launch,  fastest bitcoin dice in the world, no investment option,  1 confirmation deposits. I'll watch Todd post with anymore info I need to provide.

Thanks :)



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on December 25, 2015, 12:49:45 PM
Whats up with betterbets.io stats?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: erwin45hacked on December 25, 2015, 01:02:33 PM
Whats up with betterbets.io stats?

It seems to be resetted because of the change of the ownership. Their status at the sites is following the status at the moneypot page here I think https://www.moneypot.com/apps/14-betterbets .

Is this address controlled by the new MP owner? https://blockchain.info/address/1NinE5MNy64iUE6zBdJ2fJ2tfQrRs2ERpm , if no then it should be change


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 25, 2015, 06:14:20 PM
Sorry been bit busy, but:

- crypto-games.net: I haven't added this yet, mostly because of that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.0). I actually disagreed with OP in that thread but still I really found the way the developer responded pretty bad. I will add a provably fair verifier for it soon though (as requested by Lutpin in PM.)
- fastdice.com: atm I only add sites that have been around for awhile (like 6+ months) but I will definitely consider your site in the future.
- MoneyPot stats: they indeed got reset since the site was transferred to the new owner. I personally disagree with that reset, so I hope the new owners will merge the old stats or else I will probably do it myself for my site. Cold wallet address is removed, thanks for that tip, erwin. Not sure if they have a new cold address already.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: joter85 on December 26, 2015, 10:41:32 AM
Sorry been bit busy, but:

- crypto-games.net: I haven't added this yet, mostly because of that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.0). I actually disagreed with OP in that thread but still I really found the way the developer responded pretty bad. I will add a provably fair verifier for it soon though (as requested by Lutpin in PM.)

That was my bad. And as I am developer of Crypto-Games you can't blame whole site for my mistake. I took whole responsibility for this issue, and it was resolved.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Shogen on January 18, 2016, 04:34:39 PM
There are currently 4 cold wallet addresses listed for SatoshiDice, while on the invest page of SD there are 5 addresses listed. Please update the info when you are free. :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Shogen on January 19, 2016, 07:19:57 PM
There are currently 4 cold wallet addresses listed for SatoshiDice, while on the invest page of SD there are 5 addresses listed. Please update the info when you are free. :)

I just checked it again and it seems SD has consolidated their bitcoin in cold wallet earlier today. There are only 2 addresses (1DmqFgYfKMT1F8B3tGhVMFf82vdgdSsjNV and 18e5jpfn9zo9GQov1Ks9Pzh6Yam2SvFqqo) listed on SD now.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Nimbulan on January 19, 2016, 09:14:47 PM
thank you for providing such a great list, i will definitely check it out in my free time and choose the best game where i could gamble my money and hopefully win


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 20, 2016, 08:30:37 AM
- SatoshiDice cold addresses changed, thanks for tip.
- BitDice ETH added (and DASH finally removed lol)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Mars110 on January 20, 2016, 08:45:20 AM
you have a very nice thought.

I thank you because it has provided a list of gambling.
If I have free time will certainly visit your site and see the best gambling and opted to bet with my money
and hopefully I can win it and share it to you.

Salam success for you


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: lottery248 on January 24, 2016, 04:14:16 AM
is that possible to get my one be added?

the site is lottery248.github.io

with 0.1% house edge and charitable stuff. ???
how can get that site added to your comparison?

announcement: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1338921.0


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Emerge on January 24, 2016, 04:48:22 AM
is that possible to get my one be added?

the site is lottery248.github.io

with 0.1% house edge and charitable stuff. ???
how can get that site added to your comparison?

announcement: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1338921.0

DiceSites already tracks Moneypot apps... but IMO yours should be an exception..


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: safi71 on January 24, 2016, 12:42:12 PM
wow, what a nice collection of dice. I really like it. all dice  are best. pd is good one
nice job dude
 
I think fastdice is not here


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: HeroCat on January 24, 2016, 01:25:49 PM
This is the best Dice site overview, I had seen before. Plus the site have also very nice, not too complicated design  ;)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dodgecharger on January 24, 2016, 01:48:45 PM
There are a lot of dice sites coming out recently, like dustdice, betcoin.tm, betcoin.ag etc. Do you set some rules for adding them to your list?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BitBatFan on January 24, 2016, 06:53:25 PM
Howdy!

Did some dice comparison table https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1149908.0 and couple of websites are interested and old enough for listing on dicesites.com, like dicecoin.io, crypto-games.net and pocketdice.io.

Interested you got listed peerbet.org with invest option, but they never proof their funds. I asked them if they can send me cold wallet, but they always found some excuses.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: MICRO on January 31, 2016, 06:22:19 PM
Hey NLNico

We have small issue with your verifier for Primedice.

When users use some Cyrillic characters in theirs client seed like " г ш ћ ж љ њ ... " and so on. Your versifier uses php default utf-8 encoding.
And we use node binary .

Can you please fix that?

Thank you in advance.

Mladen,
Head of Primedice support.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: onlinedragon on January 31, 2016, 06:30:52 PM
Thanks for this nice list this will help people.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: auswalk on February 08, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
Might want to add which countries are barred from which sites.

Thanks


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: VegasCasinoBits on February 22, 2016, 08:49:54 PM
Yeah, now we are on the list! :) - you are welcom all to try out our nice games ;)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on February 23, 2016, 01:05:50 AM
@lottery248:

- lottery248.github.io, for now this site is not popular enough (needs at least couple thousand wagered and some constant activity.) In addition I am a bit hesitant to add those "default open-source dice script" sites to my site. But if one of those really becomes 1 of the most popular ones, I probably would.


@safi71:

- fastdice, I am monitoring those newer sites, but I think they don't show statistics of total wagered amount?


@dodgecharger:

- dustdice, technically they are on my site on: https://dicesites.com/moneypot I get the stats from all MP apps already and add those who are really most popular. I like the concept of dustdice, but they aren't really one of most popular dice sites. Will monitor in future.
- betcoin.tm, they have a shady reputation and therefor it's tough to trust their statistics.
- betcoin.ag, they don't seem to show statistics, so I cannot add them.


@BitBatFan:

- dicecoin.io, they had an issue once where they couldn't pay a "big winner" (was like 86 coins.) They offered to pay 2 coins a day (while offering like 5 max profit bets?), that's already unacceptable IMO. Then they made a "deal" to only pay less than half (40 coins.) See reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463273.msg10350215#msg10350215 Even if the player agreed to that "deal", I think that's some serious wrongdoing by dicecoin.io. It makes it very questionable if they can afford to payout winners. Therefor I won't add them to my site.
- crypto-games.net, see last page. Honestly if they weren't an investor-based site, I would probably add them. But being investor-based, I take issues like the prior discussed one very seriously. I will still consider in the future though.
- pocketdice.io, I don't think they solved this provably fair issue: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077905.0 Ideally they can solve that, because right now they are technically not provably fair.
- peerbet.org, I agree. When I made the site, I added some dice sites and included peerbet since they are one of the oldest dice site (my site says 2013, but it's actually 2012 - probably current dice game was added in 2013 or something :P?) However, even with their limited bankroll, they should definitely add public cold wallet. I asked them once, but just after that, they tried to sell peerbet, so I figured I would ask the next owners again. But yeh, I will ask them again to show some public cold wallet and definitely consider to remove them if not.



@MICRO: I tried to fix it, but seems pretty strange issue tbh :( Will try some more.

@auswalk: great suggestion. I plan to make a separate page for gamblers/players "soon". I will probably add that information too :)




@all others who like my site, thanks :D


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on February 23, 2016, 01:10:40 AM
-snip-
- crypto-games.net, see last page. Honestly if they weren't an investor-based site, I would probably add them. But being investor-based, I take issues like the prior discussed one very seriously. I will still consider in the future though.
-snip-
But you will still look into making the 3rd party verifier, right?
We're really looking forward to that one.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on February 23, 2016, 01:12:31 AM
Yes, been busy, but I will definitely add that :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fastdice.com on February 28, 2016, 04:49:30 PM
@lottery248:

- lottery248.github.io, for now this site is not popular enough (needs at least couple thousand wagered and some constant activity.) In addition I am a bit hesitant to add those "default open-source dice script" sites to my site. But if one of those really becomes 1 of the most popular ones, I probably would.


@safi71:

- fastdice, I am monitoring those newer sites, but I think they don't show statistics of total wagered amount?


@dodgecharger:

- dustdice, technically they are on my site on: https://dicesites.com/moneypot I get the stats from all MP apps already and add those who are really most popular. I like the concept of dustdice, but they aren't really one of most popular dice sites. Will monitor in future.
- betcoin.tm, they have a shady reputation and therefor it's tough to trust their statistics.
- betcoin.ag, they don't seem to show statistics, so I cannot add them.


@BitBatFan:

- dicecoin.io, they had an issue once where they couldn't pay a "big winner" (was like 86 coins.) They offered to pay 2 coins a day (while offering like 5 max profit bets?), that's already unacceptable IMO. Then they made a "deal" to only pay less than half (40 coins.) See reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463273.msg10350215#msg10350215 Even if the player agreed to that "deal", I think that's some serious wrongdoing by dicecoin.io. It makes it very questionable if they can afford to payout winners. Therefor I won't add them to my site.
- crypto-games.net, see last page. Honestly if they weren't an investor-based site, I would probably add them. But being investor-based, I take issues like the prior discussed one very seriously. I will still consider in the future though.
- pocketdice.io, I don't think they solved this provably fair issue: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1077905.0 Ideally they can solve that, because right now they are technically not provably fair.
- peerbet.org, I agree. When I made the site, I added some dice sites and included peerbet since they are one of the oldest dice site (my site says 2013, but it's actually 2012 - probably current dice game was added in 2013 or something :P?) However, even with their limited bankroll, they should definitely add public cold wallet. I asked them once, but just after that, they tried to sell peerbet, so I figured I would ask the next owners again. But yeh, I will ask them again to show some public cold wallet and definitely consider to remove them if not.



@MICRO: I tried to fix it, but seems pretty strange issue tbh :( Will try some more.

@auswalk: great suggestion. I plan to make a separate page for gamblers/players "soon". I will probably add that information too :)

Hi NLNico
Just letting you know that we are currently getting your requirements to get added. Bitbidder (bitcointalk) or Diablo (Fastdice.com admin) either has or will be incontact with you soon.
Im pretty sure he is 90% complete and ill get a update soon.
We are about to complete our 840,000,000 roll at 29th Feb and have players that can roll up to 300 rolls a sec.
Looking forward to working with you and seeing us on your site...
Thanks safi71 for the mention!!!



@all others who like my site, thanks :D


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on March 31, 2016, 05:48:30 AM
- Added Nitrogen Dice @ https://dicesites.com


One of biggest sportsbook, they have a dice game for ~6 months now, seems pretty popular in my "manual observations".. so let's see how well they do against the biggest dice sites :) Stats on my site are from their dice game only.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Navesh Sapad on March 31, 2016, 05:54:34 AM
Thanks for this mate . Very helpful for investors .

Ofc this can be improved but whatever it maybe . great concept.. keep it up


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Sora Aoi on April 01, 2016, 05:12:25 PM
Hi Nico,

Love your site.

I have some basic questions regarding the investment stats. The Profit number displayed for each site is yearly or lifetime?

Also, is there another purpose for the Profit/Ev % stat other than knowing which dice sites have ran/poorly well to date.

Thanks.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 02, 2016, 02:39:44 AM
Glad you like my site :)

The Profit number displayed for each site is yearly or lifetime?
This is lifetime (or potentially when they started investments.) You could click "More stats" for each site to figure out wagered/profit amount within last month/year on the graphs.

Actually even on https://dicesites.com/graphs you could go to "Total profit", zoom out and figure out the difference of profit now vs. 1y ago for each site. The wagered amount (and therefor "expected profit" should be more relevant for investors though.)

Also, is there another purpose for the Profit/Ev % stat other than knowing which dice sites have ran/poorly well to date.
Not really, mostly just interesting/fun to see if players have been lucky.

In theory it could indicate if the site is fair or not, but the reality is that all sites still have a relatively very small sample size to truly "beat" the variance. So one should definitely not make any conclusion like that based on those stats. Even just 1 whale can completely "mess up" this stat on any of the sites within a few hours.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Sora Aoi on April 02, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
Nico, thanks for the quick reply.

I have a question regarding the Moneypot network.

Their app listed on the site BetterBets.io is provably fair. Does that mean the rest of their apps are also provably fair?

Thanks.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: AcoinL.L.C on April 02, 2016, 03:53:58 PM
Nico, thanks for the quick reply.

I have a question regarding the Moneypot network.

Their app listed on the site BetterBets.io is provably fair. Does that mean the rest of their apps are also provably fair?

Thanks.

Hi Sora Aoi,

All games on MoneyPot's network are provably fair. You can read the documentation on that here:
https://www.moneypot.com/provably-fair (https://www.moneypot.com/provably-fair)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 05, 2016, 03:35:31 PM
- Added Nitrogen Dice verifier @ https://dicesites.com/nitrogendice/verifier

- Added Nitrogen Dice @ https://dicesites.com


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BitBatFan on April 05, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
I think you can finally remove dicenow.com, cause practically nobody plays there for months


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: West man on April 05, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
Can add Luckybox.cc to the list. They just opened and it is active. Opened less than 12 hours now and Already bet of 0.126btc done.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on April 18, 2016, 07:29:08 PM
Safedice stats not update i think


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Baryom on April 18, 2016, 07:42:41 PM
Hello,

Can you add us too please : Bitsler.com  

btc thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1268718.0

Thanks

William


http://i.imgur.com/t45d8AX.gif (https://goo.gl/JPTrs8)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BertMan on April 19, 2016, 03:11:50 PM
Hey NLnico,

Love this website! Thanks for putting it together!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on April 21, 2016, 05:11:16 PM
Hello.

Just to inform that we also have a provably fair Bitcoin Dice.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

We use the same verification method as primedice.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 22, 2016, 07:00:46 AM
I think you can finally remove dicenow.com, cause practically nobody plays there for months
I soon hope to have some filters including "Popular", "New", "Inactive".. with only "Popular" activated by default. So that would solve this as it would be hidden by default. PS, still "Inactive" and "New" would be fairly limited, not all sites.


Can add Luckybox.cc to the list. They just opened and it is active. Opened less than 12 hours now and Already bet of 0.126btc done.
DiceSites currently is supposed to list only the most popular dice sites. In general I only add sites who have been around 6+ months and have thousands of BTC wagered.


Hello,

Can you add us too please : Bitsler.com 

btc thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1268718.0

Thanks

William
I am still not sure where I can see the total wagered stats of Bitsler, could you link me to that?


Hello.

Just to inform that we also have a provably fair Bitcoin Dice.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

We use the same verification method as primedice.
I think you don't have public stats or even public bets.. is that correct? I cannot add any site without this information.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Bagus Tubagus on April 22, 2016, 08:53:03 AM
Nice site, maybe you can do some kind od calculator for expected profit if you invest x amount in dice website. That would be cool.
And another suggestion, add crypto-games, they're on the scene for some time.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on April 22, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
I think you can finally remove dicenow.com, cause practically nobody plays there for months
I soon hope to have some filters including "Popular", "New", "Inactive".. with only "Popular" activated by default. So that would solve this as it would be hidden by default. PS, still "Inactive" and "New" would be fairly limited, not all sites.


Can add Luckybox.cc to the list. They just opened and it is active. Opened less than 12 hours now and Already bet of 0.126btc done.
DiceSites currently is supposed to list only the most popular dice sites. In general I only add sites who have been around 6+ months and have thousands of BTC wagered.


Hello,

Can you add us too please : Bitsler.com 

btc thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1268718.0

Thanks

William
I am still not sure where I can see the total wagered stats of Bitsler, could you link me to that?


Hello.

Just to inform that we also have a provably fair Bitcoin Dice.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

We use the same verification method as primedice.
I think you don't have public stats or even public bets.. is that correct? I cannot add any site without this information.

Adding public stats shouldn't be a problem for us.
What are the required stats? should be displacing on the Ui, or via api is enough?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on April 22, 2016, 10:41:11 AM
API is enough, just need total bets, total wagered and max profit or payout. All stats should be only from dice.

Note: before I would add your site, stats must be thousands of wagered and ideally like tens of btc wagered every day. To be honest, I don't think your site is very popular in the dice community right now (since you just added it) - even if it's a popular sportsbook - so I highly doubt I would add your site at this moment. Also I much rather see a bit more transparency like a public bet list (which all other sites that I list do have.) Just saying so you don't make the API only to be disappointed hehe :P Still I would personally keep track of your site so I can always consider it.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: betbit.co on April 22, 2016, 01:22:38 PM
Hello.

Please add our dice too :) https://betbit.co


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on April 22, 2016, 04:16:47 PM
API is enough, just need total bets, total wagered and max profit or payout. All stats should be only from dice.

Note: before I would add your site, stats must be thousands of wagered and ideally like tens of btc wagered every day. To be honest, I don't think your site is very popular in the dice community right now (since you just added it) - even if it's a popular sportsbook - so I highly doubt I would add your site at this moment. Also I much rather see a bit more transparency like a public bet list (which all other sites that I list do have.) Just saying so you don't make the API only to be disappointed hehe :P Still I would personally keep track of your site so I can always consider it.

I totally understand it, we are just having few thousand bets per day but we expect to grow on the following months.
Thanks for your honest and detailed reply


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Shogen on April 22, 2016, 04:47:32 PM
For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on May 13, 2016, 08:00:17 AM
For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).

Our new dice was deployed.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

If you want to discuss integration please let us know.
Here is the api to keep you tracked (no need to authenticate):
https://www.betbtc.co/api/dice/stats


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 18, 2016, 07:57:38 AM
For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).
Thanks, changed to presstab.



For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).

Our new dice was deployed.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

If you want to discuss integration please let us know.
Here is the api to keep you tracked (no need to authenticate):
https://www.betbtc.co/api/dice/stats
Thanks! Like I said, I will monitor it manually and add when it seems "one of most popular dice sites" to me.

"global_profit" is site profit of dice? And what is the max bet or max profit per bet?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on May 18, 2016, 10:42:01 AM
For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).
Thanks, changed to presstab.



For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).

Our new dice was deployed.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

If you want to discuss integration please let us know.
Here is the api to keep you tracked (no need to authenticate):
https://www.betbtc.co/api/dice/stats
Thanks! Like I said, I will monitor it manually and add when it seems "one of most popular dice sites" to me.

"global_profit" is site profit of dice? And what is the max bet or max profit per bet?

Absolutelly, no problem.

Our max bet is variable. We are using the kelly criterion algorithm to determine the max stake for any given chance.
Currently the max bet for the 50% chance is aprox 0.5BTC (based on our site global p&l - not only dice).

Kind regards,
BetBTC


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: eternalgloom on May 18, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
This is probably the best and most accurate list of dice sites that I've ever seen.
I'm not 100% sure about this, but aren't you required to disclose that you're using affiliate links, again I'm not sure if this applies to your website.

Here's some info on that:
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/ftcs-endorsement-guides-what-people-are-asking#affiliate (https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/ftcs-endorsement-guides-what-people-are-asking#affiliate)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 18, 2016, 11:05:24 AM
Thanks :)



Never heard of that :P and that FTC link seems more like "advice" not a law:

Quote
If you disclose your relationship to the retailer clearly and conspicuously on your site, readers can decide how much weight to give your endorsement.

I do agree with that though. IMO a lot of the "bitcoin gambling review sites" give sites with higher affiliate commissions a better rating to earn more money. IMO not fair and one of the reasons for me to make this site.

Since my site is 100% based on stats, that disclosure doesn't really matter because I don't give endorsements/ratings. I always add sites based on the fact if they are popular enough and a potential affiliate program has no effect in their position in the list (that's all sorted based on objective stats.) But yeh, I am not against earning some money, so if they do have an affiliate program - I definitely do add my referral link :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on May 18, 2016, 10:14:08 PM
For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).
Thanks, changed to presstab.



For solvency of JD and Bitdice clamcoin, I see you are getting the address balance from blocktree.io which has been shut down since late February (reference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943092.msg14029320#msg14029320).

Our new dice was deployed.
www.betbtc.co/casino/dice

If you want to discuss integration please let us know.
Here is the api to keep you tracked (no need to authenticate):
https://www.betbtc.co/api/dice/stats
Thanks! Like I said, I will monitor it manually and add when it seems "one of most popular dice sites" to me.

"global_profit" is site profit of dice? And what is the max bet or max profit per bet?

Absolutelly, no problem.

Our max bet is variable. We are using the kelly criterion algorithm to determine the max stake for any given chance.
Currently the max bet for the 50% chance is aprox 0.5BTC (based on our site global p&l - not only dice).

Kind regards,
BetBTC

And yes, the global_profit is our accumulated profit on dice.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on May 22, 2016, 02:11:14 AM
Is there any chance that you could offer the option to view stats on a weekly/monthly basis? This may give someone who is considering to invest in the bankroll of a site more useful information regarding betting volume, variance and profits.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Dannie on May 22, 2016, 03:39:04 AM
Is there any chance that you could offer the option to view stats on a weekly/monthly basis? This may give someone who is considering to invest in the bankroll of a site more useful information regarding betting volume, variance and profits.

There is already a "weekly top 10 wagered" table on the right side. Also, users can click on "More info & stats" to work out the betting volume or change in profits in the past day/week/month/year themselves.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on May 22, 2016, 05:46:46 AM
Is there any chance that you could offer the option to view stats on a weekly/monthly basis? This may give someone who is considering to invest in the bankroll of a site more useful information regarding betting volume, variance and profits.

There is already a "weekly top 10 wagered" table on the right side. Also, users can click on "More info & stats" to work out the betting volume or change in profits in the past day/week/month/year themselves.
A potential investor is going to care more about the various stats over several weeks (not just the current one), and they won't just care about the wagered amounts.

Yes people can "manually" check these stats, however I believe the various graphs would be more useful for periods longer then one day as bankroll investments are generally longer term investments.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on May 23, 2016, 04:56:02 AM
Yeh, already since start I was planning to make interval options like bitcoinwisdom etc, so now only 1D, but then also 1H, 1W, 1M, etc. However this is still not planned on short-term :(

I am actually working very actively lately on making a new version of the site. It will have new design, more sites, filters for sites (so I can add less popular ones hidden by filter on default) and also a separate gambling and investing page.

The investing page will have the option to look at stats of last x days (you can choose x.) Then it will also make a calculation of the estimated gain in that period (by wagered, house edge, commission, virtual BR and kelly option.) To me this has been proven to be a very useful tool to see which site can be interesting to invest in. Although it will have some warning text that "trustworthiness" is still most important with investing.



TL;DR: will have that in future, but first new site with other new features.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: megalox on May 23, 2016, 07:26:00 AM
Thanks Nico for your site..

its very helpful for me to calculate my chance and streaks that i can afford before busting all of my balance...


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: seuntjie on June 07, 2016, 10:22:26 AM
Shot in the dark here but i have a request. Could you possibly add an indicator if the site is supported in DiceBot or not? Like a little DiceBot Icon or something if the site is supported.

I could make a json API call on my site listing the sites and their currencies supported by the bot if it would help.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cumcoinz on June 07, 2016, 11:14:30 AM
nice collection. i was looking for sites to invest in bankroll and this helps


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: adaseb on June 07, 2016, 11:46:38 AM
I know this is a far fetched idea but it would help if you posted the pings between the rolls for most sites. Some sites in the USA are very laggy and other are very quick. This is important for us bot-betters.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Sir_lagsalot on June 07, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
I know this is a far fetched idea but it would help if you posted the pings between the rolls for most sites. Some sites in the USA are very laggy and other are very quick. This is important for us bot-betters.

Very true. Down here in Australia, there's like a half second pause between when I bet and I get my result. Sure, most of this time is from the site figuring out the number, but im sure you can find a faster one.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on June 07, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
We have now 10.000BTC rolled, we have added a lot of features to our dice
Please consider adding it: www.betbtc.co/api/dice/stats


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on June 22, 2016, 02:44:24 AM
I know this is a far fetched idea but it would help if you posted the pings between the rolls for most sites. Some sites in the USA are very laggy and other are very quick. This is important for us bot-betters.

Very true. Down here in Australia, there's like a half second pause between when I bet and I get my result. Sure, most of this time is from the site figuring out the number, but im sure you can find a faster one.
I like the idea, but I cannot really test it. If I test the ping between a US server of mine with a dice site that is hosted in US, I will obviously get better results than you in Australia.

In theory I could test it on multiple servers, but still I think a site can be fast/slow at times (depending how busy it is at that moment.) Also sometimes the client-side (JS) can be slow, which is obviously not tested with a "ping test".

So all in all, I don't think I can do this in a reliable way :(


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Practicing Mind on June 24, 2016, 05:01:05 PM
Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on June 28, 2016, 03:53:58 AM
Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.
On new version I will probably add (not all invest-based btw): crypto-games.net, bitinvest, bustabit, luckybit, pocketdice (if they finally fix their PF method) and maybe others. Most of these (and some currently listed) will be hidden by default with some filters. So new visitors see only the "most popular dice sites" while "advanced users" can see more sites.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Practicing Mind on June 29, 2016, 05:45:38 PM
Thanks for that info. I will check those sites out.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Practicing Mind on June 29, 2016, 06:20:10 PM
You might want to look at adding Bitcoin Dice (https://bitcoin-dice.github.io/) to the moneypot data. Had a huge loss the last 24 hours hours. Looks like the site has only been around a month, but it has cut into investor profits big time.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on June 29, 2016, 06:24:09 PM
Pretty sure they are on the list at https://dicesites.com/moneypot ?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Practicing Mind on June 29, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
Oh, I see it now. That leads me to a couple questions about your betterbets and moneypot info.

Does the daily profit that you post match betterbets or moneypots profit? I see that it's broken down when you look at the moneypot app stats. It looks like your tracking the moneypot bankroll and calling it the betterbets bankroll. That's why I'm asking.



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: AcoinL.L.C on June 29, 2016, 10:33:12 PM
Oh, I see it now. That leads me to a couple questions about your betterbets and moneypot info.

Does the daily profit that you post match betterbets or moneypots profit? I see that it's broken down when you look at the moneypot app stats. It looks like your tracking the moneypot bankroll and calling it the betterbets bankroll. That's why I'm asking.



BetterBets' bankroll is the MoneyPot bankroll, since BetterBets uses MoneyPot. BetterBets also gets tracked separately because it is the most popular app on MoneyPot and is typically a top 2-5 dice site by volume in any given week.

^That is just my assumption on why Nico does it btw.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: coingamblingreviews on July 03, 2016, 06:08:31 AM
I like to introduce my website https://dicesites.com

On DiceSites.com there is:
- an overview of dice sites
- statistics of these websites (updated automatically every 15 mins)
- graphs to compare the websites
- provably fair verifiers for most popular dice sites
- more features later :)

Basically it should give you a way to compare dice sites without reading subjective reviews. And just checking out the activity of several dice sites.

Any feature requests or feedback is welcome. I personally still have a lot of ideas/plans too.

https://dicesites.com

Just went through your site and I have to say it is awesome!

Actual information I need (was looking at all sites that have investment options) and super easy to navigate - great stuff!


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: JasonXG on July 03, 2016, 05:25:05 PM
Nice job mate, could be improved.
Cheers!

How could it be improved ? There is nothing wrong with it. Has everything you need and looks nice. What would you like to have been added ?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dooglus on July 04, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
Hey NLNico.

I just noticed the solvency stats are broken for Just-Dice on your site.

The address changed a while back. The coins are now stored in xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam/q/addressbalance/xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ) (usually about 20k) and xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam/q/addressbalance/xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr) (about 1.4 million). These links should show you the current balances.

Signatures proving ownership:

Quote
$ clamd verifymessage xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ \
      INJ85wFtlka0FPKe+j1lHeseFlnsSRUr3RBPN33aOgjgxVQsQtz042L+E2UtnI1twkC773DS8H6G6Vj+BnSrcBE= \
      "This address is owned by Just-Dice.com"
> > true

$ clamd verifymessage xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr \
      IFbr9rQCDrQR3Vy9oXP4w23BBudeRB7LTBKbkxiQpyFgsTwZ6cLwL7M02jMwmgg9B3CIm8FqCUr0HKB faytxA9c= \
      "This address is owned by Just-Dice.com"
> > true


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on July 05, 2016, 01:04:11 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.

(Pop-up "Provably Fair" then "Verify Genuinity of my previous Rolls" on https://www.betbtc.co/casino/dice)
http://i.imgur.com/MPoZcVy.png


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on July 05, 2016, 01:41:49 AM
only difference:

Primedice:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

BetBTC:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dooglus on July 05, 2016, 04:11:39 AM
only difference:

Primedice:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

BetBTC:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

Can you give an example? If the hash was FFEEDDCCBBAA99, and the first 5 characters, FFEED comes out too high, then which 5 characters do you use next?

Is this sjess (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg7709902#msg7709902) all over again?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on July 05, 2016, 09:37:50 AM
only difference:

Primedice:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

BetBTC:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

Can you give an example? If the hash was FFEEDDCCBBAA99, and the first 5 characters, FFEED comes out too high, then which 5 characters do you use next?

Is this sjess (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg7709902#msg7709902) all over again?

Wow, absolutely right.

An update was promptly deployed and new rolls will use the rule of skipping the previous set.

Some Notes:
  • Every user that took advantage of this exploit was / will be paid regularly, no funds will be voided or confiscated.
  • Rules were updated to the new version - https://betbtc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/208027769

Kind regards and thank you for keeping us updated


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cryptosdice on July 06, 2016, 11:02:44 PM
our new dice site with btc and +40 altcoins begins on July 11, we hope to be on the dicesites.com list some day!  :) www.cryptosdice.com (http://www.cryptosdice.com)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: VegasCasinoBits on July 07, 2016, 06:40:24 AM
our new dice site with btc and +40 altcoins begins on July 11, we hope to be on the dicesites.com list some day!  :) www.cryptosdice.com (http://www.cryptosdice.com)

take it easy of your spam, you site have 1 coin type, mabey your plan its 40+ but right now its just have 1 so take its easy one more time!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 09, 2016, 06:20:58 AM
Hey NLNico.

I just noticed the solvency stats are broken for Just-Dice on your site.

The address changed a while back. The coins are now stored in xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam/q/addressbalance/xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ) (usually about 20k) and xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr (http://khashier.com/chain/Clam/q/addressbalance/xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr) (about 1.4 million). These links should show you the current balances.

Signatures proving ownership:

Quote
$ clamd verifymessage xJDCLAMZ3Y7L5XQBfW85dY8SoKWLgovNtZ \
      INJ85wFtlka0FPKe+j1lHeseFlnsSRUr3RBPN33aOgjgxVQsQtz042L+E2UtnI1twkC773DS8H6G6Vj+BnSrcBE= \
      "This address is owned by Just-Dice.com"
> > true

$ clamd verifymessage xJDCLAMZreM6ZzJJ28kh5uYnT7ToCPGywr \
      IFbr9rQCDrQR3Vy9oXP4w23BBudeRB7LTBKbkxiQpyFgsTwZ6cLwL7M02jMwmgg9B3CIm8FqCUr0HKB faytxA9c= \
      "This address is owned by Just-Dice.com"
> > true
Thanks, updated.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cloverme on July 13, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
only difference:

Primedice:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

BetBTC:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

Can you give an example? If the hash was FFEEDDCCBBAA99, and the first 5 characters, FFEED comes out too high, then which 5 characters do you use next?

Is this sjess (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg7709902#msg7709902) all over again?

General question on provably fair...  Why not generate a new server seed for every roll? Is it to make consecutive verifications easier on the player or is there another reason? 


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on July 13, 2016, 01:10:54 PM
only difference:

Primedice:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

BetBTC:
If the roll number is over 999,999, the proccess is repeated with the next five characters skipping the previous set

Can you give an example? If the hash was FFEEDDCCBBAA99, and the first 5 characters, FFEED comes out too high, then which 5 characters do you use next?

Is this sjess (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg7709902#msg7709902) all over again?

General question on provably fair...  Why not generate a new server seed for every roll? Is it to make consecutive verifications easier on the player or is there another reason?  

Basically to make verification easier by user and also save resources and improve speed from server-side. Why would you want to generate new server-seed each roll when you can just increase roll nonce to get a new 100% random and provably fair number?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cloverme on July 13, 2016, 07:48:50 PM
Basically to make verification easier by user and also save resources and improve speed from server-side. Why would you want to generate new server-seed each roll when you can just increase roll nonce to get a new 100% random and provably fair number?

Yeah, I sort of figured it was based on ease for the user and performance. In that case, I suppose securing the server seed is key.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on July 16, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.

(Pop-up "Provably Fair" then "Verify Genuinity of my previous Rolls" on https://www.betbtc.co/casino/dice)
http://i.imgur.com/MPoZcVy.png

@NLNico any comment regarding this?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: zantafio on July 26, 2016, 11:16:38 PM
Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BayAreaCoins on July 26, 2016, 11:18:19 PM
Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?

Probably disappeared up it's own asshole... I bet Betking.io does the same within a calendar year of this post.

JD4Lyfe!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: yellowsun64 on August 03, 2016, 09:56:14 AM
I want to ask about the profit of dice sites..
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site? That dice site was down because it out of bankroll?
I don't know a dice sites get profit from where. Because I see that they set Commission base on Wager, and Wager include win and lose!!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: katerniko1 on August 03, 2016, 10:06:09 AM
I want to ask about the profit of dice sites..
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site? That dice site was down because it out of bankroll?
I don't know a dice sites get profit from where. Because I see that they set Commission base on Wager, and Wager include win and lose!!
dice on average should earn 1% of total wager, basicly when you play on primedice when you roll on 2x its not 50/50% its 49.50/50.49
so that is where dice earns :)
regards.
-Katerniko1


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Ukirampa on August 03, 2016, 10:07:23 AM
it was nice to try all of the list  ;D ;D


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: yellowsun64 on August 03, 2016, 10:31:39 AM
I want to ask about the profit of dice sites..
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site? That dice site was down because it out of bankroll?
I don't know a dice sites get profit from where. Because I see that they set Commission base on Wager, and Wager include win and lose!!
dice on average should earn 1% of total wager, basicly when you play on primedice when you roll on 2x its not 50/50% its 49.50/50.49
so that is where dice earns :)
regards.
-Katerniko1

Can you explain more clearly, please?
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site?
More and more people play and the dice site will never die. What's mean that you say?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: coingamblingreviews on August 05, 2016, 03:37:39 PM
Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?

Probably disappeared up it's own asshole... I bet Betking.io does the same within a calendar year of this post.

JD4Lyfe!

Hope not! Some serious coins in the bankroll.



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 05, 2016, 03:56:14 PM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.



Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?
Not sure. Begin June someone posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314252.msg15062328#msg15062328) that most BTC of Dicenow are from a hack. Owner didn't reply, but did change the OP 5 days later (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314252.0) saying "Dicenow.com is shutting down at the end of June. Please divest and withdraw all coins ASAP.". So either way, looks like they are gone.

Generally when a site/owner becomes inactive it is a red flag. Ice Dice, Win88, Dicenow, Diggit (was offline for months, no reply from owner), Coinichiwa (owner gone for 6 months now), etc. Always risky to leave coins on a site with inactive owner.



Can you explain more clearly, please?
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site?
More and more people play and the dice site will never die. What's mean that you say?

The maximum profit a player can win per bet, changes after each bet. This should be around 0.5-1% of the bankroll (or the "virtual bankroll" if margin-funding is allowed.) This way the player should never be able to win "all" the money based on the Kelly criterion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_criterion) theory.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on August 07, 2016, 11:44:31 AM
Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?

Probably disappeared up it's own asshole... I bet Betking.io does the same within a calendar year of this post.

JD4Lyfe!

Hope not! Some serious coins in the bankroll.



His comment is just based on his hate for beking and dean. When BAC dosent get his way he gets butthurt and whine alot just like a little kid.





Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: hua_hui on August 07, 2016, 12:19:37 PM
it was nice to try all of the list  ;D ;D

I am trying to invest in more sites and using this to check the daily movement from the different sites. It surely let me have a better idea on how each sites perform for each day especially the daily wages. To me, i believe a lot in the daily wages.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on August 07, 2016, 06:33:03 PM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.

You are free to have your own opinion, however you cannot make false accusations without any valid fundament or even a justification of that opinion.
We will use another third party verifier, already working for it.

Regards


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on August 07, 2016, 07:01:48 PM
We will use another third party verifier, already working for it.
Shots fired! Hits,...oh wait.

http://robinschooling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/resized_philosoraptor-meme-generator-yeah-i-got-nothing-e78869.jpg


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on August 07, 2016, 07:22:44 PM

OP probably doesn't care, I didn't mentioned that as warning but as an information.
Regarding to you, I am certain that you clearly give too much importance to betbtc since you are always following our posting and come to reply on them on a variety of topics with non-sense like here, you even create topics for us  :D

I understand you have lots of free time, but it would be more useful to play with some faucets out there (we have one on our dice!  ;) )

Example:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1507681.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1568463.msg15742825#msg15742825
........ (I could continue but people already get the idea)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on August 07, 2016, 07:28:19 PM
Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1507681.0
You violating the forum rules over and over again doesn't shine bad on me, but rather on you and on you only.
I think it is a joke you have not been banned for that, after openly flipping it to the rules times and times again.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 08, 2016, 02:21:25 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.

You are free to have your own opinion, however you cannot make false accusations without any valid fundament or even a justification of that opinion.
True.

To be honest anyone who ever been on a dice site can just go to https://www.betbtc.co/casino/dice and look at the bet list themselves. All those 100% random amounts and chances.. LOL! That should really show enough for anyone who knows the basics of dice (people betting default 2x option, strategies with same payout, strategies with increasing amounts - martingale, etc.)

http://i.imgur.com/re8L3aX.png


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on August 08, 2016, 02:32:37 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.

You are free to have your own opinion, however you cannot make false accusations without any valid fundament or even a justification of that opinion.
We will use another third party verifier, already working for it.

Regards
I don't think that is the right response to what NLNico accused you of doing. NLNico is generally trusted and his opinion is generally respected throughout the gambling community, but this is besides the point, if more or less anyone made this claim, then you should have responded differently.

A much more appropriate response would have been to say something along the lines of "no, we are not faking our stats, what can I share with you to prove this?", or "yes we are faking our stats, but we did not realize the negative consequences of engaging in this behavior, we are going to change our business practices"

Based on NLNico's post above, I would say that I personally believe that you are faking your stats/volume.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: hua_hui on August 08, 2016, 03:14:04 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.



Anyone knows what happened to dicenow.com ?!?
Not sure. Begin June someone posted (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314252.msg15062328#msg15062328) that most BTC of Dicenow are from a hack. Owner didn't reply, but did change the OP 5 days later (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=314252.0) saying "Dicenow.com is shutting down at the end of June. Please divest and withdraw all coins ASAP.". So either way, looks like they are gone.

Generally when a site/owner becomes inactive it is a red flag. Ice Dice, Win88, Dicenow, Diggit (was offline for months, no reply from owner), Coinichiwa (owner gone for 6 months now), etc. Always risky to leave coins on a site with inactive owner.



Can you explain more clearly, please?
What's happen if all people or many many people win in a dice site?
More and more people play and the dice site will never die. What's mean that you say?

The maximum profit a player can win per bet, changes after each bet. This should be around 0.5-1% of the bankroll (or the "virtual bankroll" if margin-funding is allowed.) This way the player should never be able to win "all" the money based on the Kelly criterion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_criterion) theory.

Can you tell me more about the FJ faking false stat? I was around for quite some time but i didnt hear about this before.

As i am a fan of your site, is it possible to add more gamble site to it? I see that there are other gambling sites but it is not included in your list.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BetBTC on August 08, 2016, 03:33:31 AM
We are using your site as 3rd party verifier to our rolls. At the moment we are linking to Primedice since we use exactly the same generation process, but it would be cool if you could create a page (even if not visible from the homepage or any other section) for this purpose.
@NLNico any comment regarding this?
No, I won't support your site in any way. Problem is that you are obviously faking stats. My site is all about statistics and doesn't make any stupid subjective ratings, but rather lists sites based on wagered stats as "popularity indicator". When sites like FortuneJack and now you, are faking stats, I see that as serious sketchy behavior. I won't list sites that do shit like that.

You are free to have your own opinion, however you cannot make false accusations without any valid fundament or even a justification of that opinion.
We will use another third party verifier, already working for it.

Regards
I don't think that is the right response to what NLNico accused you of doing. NLNico is generally trusted and his opinion is generally respected throughout the gambling community, but this is besides the point, if more or less anyone made this claim, then you should have responded differently.

A much more appropriate response would have been to say something along the lines of "no, we are not faking our stats, what can I share with you to prove this?", or "yes we are faking our stats, but we did not realize the negative consequences of engaging in this behavior, we are going to change our business practices"

Based on NLNico's post above, I would say that I personally believe that you are faking your stats/volume.

We don't fake the stats, it would not just be against our principles, as also we don't need it... we have released our Dice just few months ago, it's logic that we still don't have volumes neither liquidity like the ones verified on casinos operating for years. We feel absolutely no pressure on that, proof of that was our dice being kinda empty on the first days, as we started adding more features and personalising things as our users requested more and more are joining everyday.

It's funny how you claim a site is operating in scam and faking stats just because of the data you see on a table. If we wanted to hide you something, we would just hide the chart, simple.
I don't know if you are familiar with betbtc sports exchange but big part of our users are professional bettors that bet via API (copying other markets like betffair, betdaq, matchbook, etc), that's what is happening now in dice, not too many users but lots of rolls and probably strategies being tested.

If we were about to fake the stats it wouldn't be too smart to just deploy random values, we would make things a little bit more "normal" and "smooth", but we don't need it. With time passing and more users joining, we are sure that soon we would have fluid rolls and not only many and big rolls, but also a big number of users making them.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 08, 2016, 03:36:44 AM
Can you tell me more about the FJ faking false stat? I was around for quite some time but i didnt hear about this before.
The FortuneJack faking stats "discussion" started here: "Are the wagered stats of 14+ million BTC on the homepage correct? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12501257#msg12501257)", they denied having wrong stats a couple times, so I gave a bit more arguments in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12510016#msg12510016). Finally they acknowledged it was wrong and claimed it was because of some exchange rate bug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12519764#msg12519764) and offered me a bug bounty in PM (probably to keep me quite - I refused.) I gave some more arguments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12520525#msg12520525) on why the wrong stats couldn't be caused by an exchange rate bug. They basically just ignored it from there. Few days later they did lower their stats by 28 times (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12571054#msg12571054) but still basically ignored my arguments.

I know FortuneJack however does have some real players who deposit/withdraw without any problem, so I don't make a huge deal out of it. But it is obviously pretty sketchy and I won't ever list them on my site because of it (impossible for me to trust their stats after that.)

As i am a fan of your site, is it possible to add more gamble site to it? I see that there are other gambling sites but it is not included in your list.
Thanks. I do plan to add several other sites when I finished the new version of my site. Unfortunately that is taking pretty long lol, but it will come eventually.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Quickseller on August 08, 2016, 03:56:14 AM
We don't fake the stats, it would not just be against our principles, as also we don't need it... we have released our Dice just few months ago, it's logic that we still don't have volumes neither liquidity like the ones verified on casinos operating for years. We feel absolutely no pressure on that, proof of that was our dice being kinda empty on the first days, as we started adding more features and personalising things as our users requested more and more are joining everyday.
That is good, it would probably reflect poorly on your site if you were in fact faking stats. Although if you are faking stats then it is probably best to change your business practices right away, and maybe you would be eventually able to recover your reputation.

Since you are saying that you are not faking stats, you should give additional information to back up this claim, or you could possibly ask NLNico what information he would like to see in order to believe this claim.

It's funny how you claim a site is operating in scam and faking stats just because of the data you see on a table. If we wanted to hide you something, we would just hide the chart, simple.
I am not the one making this claim, NLNico is, I am saying that I trust what he is saying, however what he is saying also makes logical sense. The claim that NLNico is making is that you are trying to hide the fact that you have low volume by showing excessive activity on your recent bets table.

I don't know if you are familiar with betbtc sports exchange but big part of our users are professional bettors that bet via API (copying other markets like betffair, betdaq, matchbook, etc), that's what is happening now in dice, not too many users but lots of rolls and probably strategies being tested.
While this may make some level of sense in regards to your sports betting, this is simply not how dice betting works. With sports betting, if someone were to place bets on two different sportsbooks, the outcome of the match would be the same. However with dice betting, if you place the same bet on two different casinos, the outcome of the roll is almost certainly going to be different, this is due to how provably fairness works.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on August 08, 2016, 01:55:24 PM
bitdice will remove clam. and br and profit is wrong probably other stat also on clam.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: hua_hui on August 08, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Can you tell me more about the FJ faking false stat? I was around for quite some time but i didnt hear about this before.
The FortuneJack faking stats "discussion" started here: "Are the wagered stats of 14+ million BTC on the homepage correct? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12501257#msg12501257)", they denied having wrong stats a couple times, so I gave a bit more arguments in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12510016#msg12510016). Finally they acknowledged it was wrong and claimed it was because of some exchange rate bug (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12519764#msg12519764) and offered me a bug bounty in PM (probably to keep me quite - I refused.) I gave some more arguments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12520525#msg12520525) on why the wrong stats couldn't be caused by an exchange rate bug. They basically just ignored it from there. Few days later they did lower their stats by 28 times (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12571054#msg12571054) but still basically ignored my arguments.

I know FortuneJack however does have some real players who deposit/withdraw without any problem, so I don't make a huge deal out of it. But it is obviously pretty sketchy and I won't ever list them on my site because of it (impossible for me to trust their stats after that.)

As i am a fan of your site, is it possible to add more gamble site to it? I see that there are other gambling sites but it is not included in your list.
Thanks. I do plan to add several other sites when I finished the new version of my site. Unfortunately that is taking pretty long lol, but it will come eventually.

Thanks for listenting to my suggestion. I really love how you have set a high standard for all these casinos instead of just randomly listing them. This will help us have a lot more understanding on the behavior of the casino.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on August 08, 2016, 03:40:52 PM
I don't know if you are familiar with betbtc sports exchange but big part of our users are professional bettors that bet via API (copying other markets like betffair, betdaq, matchbook, etc), that's what is happening now in dice, not too many users but lots of rolls and probably strategies being tested.

If you notice professional betters playing your dice via api, you should be very worried. The only time I've ever seen that before are on sites that have messed up the odds that allow people to play +EV.  :P


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: BitBatFan on August 09, 2016, 04:08:18 AM
Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.
On new version I will probably add (not all invest-based btw): crypto-games.net, bitinvest, bustabit, luckybit, pocketdice (if they finally fix their PF method) and maybe others. Most of these (and some currently listed) will be hidden by default with some filters. So new visitors see only the "most popular dice sites" while "advanced users" can see more sites.
when are you planning to release new version?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 09, 2016, 04:15:42 AM
Could you list some sites that didn't make the cut on your site, but are on the fringe? For example, a site like Bitvest. I'm looking for some more investment options outside of the sites you have already listed.
On new version I will probably add (not all invest-based btw): crypto-games.net, bitinvest, bustabit, luckybit, pocketdice (if they finally fix their PF method) and maybe others. Most of these (and some currently listed) will be hidden by default with some filters. So new visitors see only the "most popular dice sites" while "advanced users" can see more sites.
when are you planning to release new version?
Like a year ago, lol. No, but next month should be realistic :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on August 12, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
You have bitvest.io on the radar to be added? I like to know their weekly stats=)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 12, 2016, 12:04:16 PM
Probably :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: yellowsun64 on August 24, 2016, 05:51:57 AM
What's about Bitsler?
I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 24, 2016, 08:27:08 AM
What's about Bitsler?
I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: fulgdenea on August 24, 2016, 08:46:34 AM
I would like to know about freebitco.in is that correct don't have any provably fair mechanism to generate the outcome for rolls, hi-low and their lottery, so is there any way to verify the outcome, because so many people claiming they can manipulate the outcome easily, is that is true or not?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 24, 2016, 09:19:26 AM
I never looked at them and only had a quick look now:



Hi/Lo freebitco.in game
First of all the house edge is 5%. There is nothing wrong with that, but most sites have a 0.5 - 1% house edge (and SatoshiDice highest with 1.95%.) Since they do give away free money and lottery entries, again I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But a "real dice player" probably should play somewhere else.

Provably fair
They use a "nonce" but yet they change the serverseed after each roll. So I am not sure why they would use that nonce ??? With the "per roll" provably fair implementation, it's important that the site regenerates an unique client seed in the browser after getting the new serverseed hash after each bet. freebitco.in doesn't do this. This means IMO the provably fair implementation of them is "not really" provably fair.

Basically it allows them to serve a serverseed based on bet patterns (if you always go high, they would generate a low result.) The counter argument is that they shouldn't do this, because if they do this - you as a player can heavily cheat them too (bet 10x high, then a big low bet = easy profits.) Of course they could do it more subtle/smart. But besides that, the least they can do is make a result that isn't 8888 (jackpot), to scam jackpot entries completely unnoticeable.

I don't think they do this, but they should still fix this. Rollin had the same and fixed it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=687571.msg12122724#msg12122724 You can see more details/fix there too.

Note, that you CAN still bet provably fair on their site. It just takes some time: 1) Click "provably fair" 2) write down "Hash" and "Nonce" 3) change the "Client seed" 4) make bet 5) verify bet (their link seems fine.) You will need to do this for EVERY bet.



Lottery
Lottery is not provably fair at all. So yeh, "house player" can always win everything. If they want to implement a provably fair lottery, they should look into how PevPot used to do it.




TL;DR: personally I would gamble on other sites with proper provably fair implementations (preferably with real nonce-implementation.)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Dank Frank on September 09, 2016, 10:35:24 AM
What's about Bitsler?
I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site.

That's too bad, could you just add a verifier for the site?


Edit:
Also could you update the "Provably Fair?!" page when you find the time, these sites no longer excists.

dicenow.com
DogeDice.me
LiteDice.me
MagicalDice.com
RedDice.me


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 12, 2016, 07:58:47 AM
What's about Bitsler?
I see that site is growing every day and I like speed of bet in that site!
I think BitSler still doesn't show any wagered statistic, so I cannot add them to my site.

That's too bad, could you just add a verifier for the site?


Edit:
Also could you update the "Provably Fair?!" page when you find the time, these sites no longer excists.

dicenow.com
DogeDice.me
LiteDice.me
MagicalDice.com
RedDice.me

Thnx, removed those old sites.

I can add a verifier for BitSler, but I am busy on new version of site first, so probably after that.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: coingamblingreviews on September 12, 2016, 08:22:48 AM
Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 12, 2016, 08:32:33 AM
Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the "developer handled security-bug report badly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg13355925#msg13355925)"-issue as discussed a few pages ago.

But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this.

Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: joter85 on September 12, 2016, 09:34:08 AM
Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the "developer handled security-bug report badly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg13355925#msg13355925)"-issue as discussed a few pages ago.

But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this.

Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.

We are aware of this potential issue and its gonna be soon changed on all games. Thanks for notifying us about this.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: coingamblingreviews on September 12, 2016, 10:48:19 AM
Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the "developer handled security-bug report badly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg13355925#msg13355925)"-issue as discussed a few pages ago.

But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this.

Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.

Appreciate the response - very thorough.

Look forward to Crypto-Games making the fix and then being added to your list  :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: joter85 on September 13, 2016, 05:49:00 AM
Any reason why crypto-games hasn't been added?
At first because my site is a list of "most popular dice sites" and especially in the beginning they weren't very popular (compared to others.) Secondly because of the "developer handled security-bug report badly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=877078.msg13355925#msg13355925)"-issue as discussed a few pages ago.

But I was/am planning to add them on the new version of my site. But the only current issue is that I don't like the technical details of the provably fair implementation. Specifically that you only get the serverseed hash of the next bet by clicking the "provably fair" tab. IMO the site should send this with the last bet result and don't make any HTTP request when a user clicks the "provably fair" tab (so the site is unaware if the user noted down the serverseed hash.) I emailed crypto-games about this last week, so I hope they do improve this.

Ps, the way they calculate the numbers/cards on blackjack/roulette/slots are actually better than almost all other implementations for those games on other casinos. Just that specific technical detail that I don't like.

We are aware of this potential issue and its gonna be soon changed on all games. Thanks for notifying us about this.

Could you review our code again? Client side is changed to refresh provably fair details after every bet. Thanks.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: adaseb on September 13, 2016, 06:11:44 AM
Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: pawel7777 on September 13, 2016, 08:16:09 AM
Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.

You probably have heard of them, formerly operated as PocketRocketsCasino or PRC, they ran few sig campaigns in the past, and have had the largest crowd funded bitcoin bankroll since forever.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: maku on September 13, 2016, 08:25:11 AM
Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.
But what cathegody you have in mind? List can be sorted by parameters like:

total wagered - PD is far ahead of anyone else,
total bets - where PD is far ahead,
opening time - which is not that important as long as site is quite old,
max payout - where BetKing is winning,
total invested - where PD can't be since they don't have investment option avaiable

BetKing is not promoting aggressively on Bitcointalk ATM, nor have very active thread like PD has, so that might be a reason you don't know them.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: peter_lamo on September 13, 2016, 10:27:27 AM
Thank you! Very useful  ;)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 13, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Could you review our code again? Client side is changed to refresh provably fair details after every bet. Thanks.
Awesome :) looks like a proper "per roll" implementation now (with additionally easy/good result calculation for the non-dice games compared to other sites.)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on September 27, 2016, 06:54:42 AM
Added a verifier for Crypto-Games.net: https://dicesites.com/crypto-games/verifier (all games)

They also added a link on the bet details of each bet to directly go to my site with all the seeds - so verifying your bets is really easy. (Although for optimal provably fair usage, you should copy your serverseed hash and clientseed before each bet is made.)



Ps, still working on new site.. guess I won't make it this month (:


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DogecoinMachine on September 27, 2016, 05:56:47 PM
Added a verifier for Crypto-Games.net: https://dicesites.com/crypto-games/verifier (all games)

They also added a link on the bet details of each bet to directly go to my site with all the seeds - so verifying your bets is really easy. (Although for optimal provably fair usage, you should copy your serverseed hash and clientseed before each bet is made.)



Ps, still working on new site.. guess I won't make it this month (:
Thank you for adding a verifier for our website!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Daffadile on October 01, 2016, 04:39:46 PM
Really surprised BETKING is #1 compare to Primedice. I practically never heard of that site before I looked at your reviews. Its nice that they have an investment option at least.

I only heard of them a few weeks ago because of a thread discussing some of the better casinos and I remember it coming up.
A nice casino. It has done well for investors I looked on the OPs site and it was like 187% so that is about %50 a year. Very good.
As long as the casino is still in business it is a very good investment.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on October 02, 2016, 03:36:07 AM
It has done well for investors I looked on the OPs site and it was like 187% so that is about %50 a year.
Note: the percentage on my site is comparing the expected profit with actual profits. It has nothing to do with any timeframe. So it is meant to say that the players have been more unlucky and investors more lucky than expected (which is still the same conclusion as you "investors done well" ;)) Also, I don't actually calculate commission in there, so it should probably be around 200-300% (eg investors have been 2x - 3x more lucky than they should.)

Overall that statistic isn't really important IMO. It just show how much variance there can be.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Trade_BTC on October 31, 2016, 11:03:22 AM
Another dice site to add potcoinlotto.com (http://potcoinlotto.com/?ref=Ripdipper)

Lmao


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on December 01, 2016, 04:06:19 AM
This is a great initiative.

Would be great to have a master list of all dice-sites listed that are provably fair and how long they have been operating (including their accepted crypto-currencies).


Anymore doge or clam sites?

 


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 01, 2016, 04:10:24 AM
www.crypto-games.net and www.bitsler.com have doge (and are not yet on my site.)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on December 02, 2016, 03:17:29 AM
do you have a Video tutorial on how to verify your bets using your site?



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: maku on December 02, 2016, 03:43:27 AM
Anymore doge or clam sites?

Both Doge and Clam are supported by FortuneJack.com - you won't find this casino listed on DiceSites.
You can also play there with NMC, PPC, NVC, RDD and Dash.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on December 02, 2016, 03:55:58 AM
Anymore doge or clam sites?

Both Doge and Clam are supported by FortuneJack.com - you won't find this casino listed on DiceSites.
You can also play there with NMC, PPC, NVC, RDD and Dash.

I play with you guys already :)

been having issues with your autoroll though :/

keeps stopping after 20 bets.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 15, 2016, 08:35:23 AM
Added a provably fair verifier for BitSler: https://dicesites.com/bitsler/verifier - supports all 4 games.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DogecoinMachine on December 15, 2016, 08:50:47 AM
Will you add verifier for new video poker game on crypto-games.net?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on December 15, 2016, 08:52:26 AM
Sure, probably in next few days.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Baryom on December 15, 2016, 10:32:44 AM
Added a provably fair verifier for BitSler: https://dicesites.com/bitsler/verifier - supports all 4 games.

Thanks NLNico !


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DuckDice.io on January 05, 2017, 04:08:46 PM
Hi,
great site.

Would've been nice to be listed on it. What are requirements for the casino?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: KingDice on January 05, 2017, 09:19:47 PM
Hi,
great site.

Would've been nice to be listed on it. What are requirements for the casino?


Hehe, every casino wants to be included there, but he seems to be mostly adding sites that are long lasting and trusted. So, be patient :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ShodanEnkidu on January 05, 2017, 09:34:10 PM
It would be nice if someone would maintain an uptodate collection of dice sites, so we wouldn't have to search them on the web.
This could be dicesites.com, I like it's style and design. But it still isn't it... I haven't seen here anything new since long time.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 06, 2017, 07:48:16 AM
I have been working on a new version with more sites for a long time now. I hope/expect to really finish it within some weeks now. It indeed has taken a bit too long, sorry :p .. soon :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: TheBitcoinStrip.com on January 07, 2017, 10:51:23 AM
It would be nice if someone would maintain an uptodate collection of dice sites, so we wouldn't have to search them on the web.
This could be dicesites.com, I like it's style and design. But it still isn't it... I haven't seen here anything new since long time.

There is also my TheBitcoinStrip (http://thebitcoinstrip.com/). We crawl the same stats for even more casinos.

Check out https://thebitcoinstrip.com/stats/2016-12-24-to-2017-01-07


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: DuckDice.io on January 11, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
I have been working on a new version with more sites for a long time now. I hope/expect to really finish it within some weeks now. It indeed has taken a bit too long, sorry :p .. soon :)

the site is great and if you are the only one who is running it it's very impressive.



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on January 11, 2017, 05:35:32 PM
keep it up :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ShodanEnkidu on January 11, 2017, 06:14:55 PM
It would be nice if someone would maintain an uptodate collection of dice sites, so we wouldn't have to search them on the web.
This could be dicesites.com, I like it's style and design. But it still isn't it... I haven't seen here anything new since long time.

There is also my TheBitcoinStrip (http://thebitcoinstrip.com/). We crawl the same stats for even more casinos.

Check out https://thebitcoinstrip.com/stats/2016-12-24-to-2017-01-07

Oh, nice! Thanks for posting it, I'll check it :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: moooonu on January 12, 2017, 05:48:27 AM
I like to introduce my website https://dicesites.com

On DiceSites.com there is:
- an overview of dice sites
- statistics of these websites (updated automatically every 15 mins)
- graphs to compare the websites
- provably fair verifiers for most popular dice sites
- more features later :)

Basically it should give you a way to compare dice sites without reading subjective reviews. And just checking out the activity of several dice sites.

Any feature requests or feedback is welcome. I personally still have a lot of ideas/plans too.

https://dicesites.com

Just one suggestion.
There are many websites which aren't listed in your website. PM me i will give you names of those


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 12, 2017, 07:38:30 AM
You write about provably fair https://dicesites.com/provably-fair
You mislead people because many dice sites use fake seed and have full control provably fair system, they can make to lose easy.. and players lost all money.
playing on dice - result is one - lost all money


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Bitinity on January 12, 2017, 07:44:17 AM
You write about provably fair https://dicesites.com/provably-fair
You mislead people because many dice sites use fake seed and have full control provably fair system, they can make to lose easy.. and players lost all money.
playing on dice - result is one - lost all money


Would you mind to prove that there are many dice sites using fake seed? Saying is easy but without proper proof then it is useless. You said this just because NLNico have a proof that your game is not provably fair, then you try to misslead people about provably fair system.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 12, 2017, 07:50:42 AM
You write about provably fair https://dicesites.com/provably-fair
You mislead people because many dice sites use fake seed and have full control provably fair system, they can make to lose easy.. and players lost all money.
playing on dice - result is one - lost all money


Would you mind to prove that there are many dice sites using fake seed? Saying is easy but without proper proof then it is useless. You said this just because NLNico have a proof that your game is not provably fair, then you try to misslead people about provably fair system.

no, NLNico said about my game, but not said about provably faid system of dice.
notice: I do not blame dice sites.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 12, 2017, 07:54:48 AM
The whole idea of the provably fair method that dice sites use, is that you get a HASH of the serverseed BEFORE you bet. Therefor you can verify (= provable) if that hash is still the same after the serverseed is revealed.

If the site changes the seed (what you call "fake seed"), the player is able to detect this, because the HASH would be different. Therefor he can prove that he was cheated (or if he was not cheated.) This is provably fair.




On your game, there is no way for the player to know if that specific timestamp is correct. Therefor that is not provably fair.



PS, you look more idiotic with every post you make, so I don't think this is helping much for your reputation as a gambling site owner.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 12, 2017, 08:08:49 AM
The whole idea of the provably fair method that dice sites use, is that you get a HASH of the serverseed BEFORE you bet. Therefor you can verify (= provable) if that hash is still the same after the serverseed is revealed.

If the site changes the seed (what you call "fake seed"), the player is able to detect this, because the HASH would be different. Therefor he can prove that he was cheated (or if he was not cheated.) This is provably fair.




On your game, there is no way for the player to know if that specific timestamp is correct. Therefor that is not provably fair.



PS, you look more idiotic with every post you make, so I don't think this is helping much for your reputation as a gambling site owner.

Really? Yes, hash before bet but he use another string and will be equal! But result will be different..

In fact, this effect is achieved through quick search methods for collision hash functions developed in 2004-2006. If one does not know the collision are two different sets of data having the same hash value. So, in 2004, a group of Chinese researchers developed an algorithm based on differential cryptanalysis, which allows for a relatively short time to find two different random data block size of 128 bytes each, having the same md5 sum. Although this algorithm at one time produced the effect of a bomb of his performance left much to be desired. But already in 2006 Czech cryptographer Vlastimil Klima offered to search for a new collision method to find a couple of different random 128 byte blocks one md5 sum of a personal computer less than a minute.

it's possible for md5, sha256, sha512

sorry for bad english :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 12, 2017, 08:57:17 AM
That's called "hash collisions". Dice sites always use SHA-2 to hash their serverseeds. SHA-2 has no known hash collisions.

Note: if it were that easy to make collision attacks on SHA-2, dice sites would be the least of your worries. Governments, bitcoin, the Internet, banks, etc. would all have a huge problem.



edit: you are talking about MD5. Dice sites do not and should never use MD5 indeed.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: cakk on January 12, 2017, 09:06:04 AM
I really like your site, but the design could be improved a bit :/ The basic bootstrap it's just like meh..
Anyway, keep it up. You could easily put paid ads on your site after you reach a given views/day.
cheers.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 12, 2017, 09:12:49 AM
That's called "hash collisions". Dice sites always use SHA-2 to hash their serverseeds. SHA-2 has no known hash collisions.

Note: if it were that easy to make collision attacks on SHA-2, dice sites would be the least of your worries. Governments, bitcoin, the Internet, banks, etc. would all have a huge problem.



edit: you are talking about MD5. Dice sites do not and should never use MD5 indeed.

you can find for sha-256 and 512

Good luck to your site.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: seuntjie on January 12, 2017, 09:38:32 AM
That's called "hash collisions". Dice sites always use SHA-2 to hash their serverseeds. SHA-2 has no known hash collisions.

Note: if it were that easy to make collision attacks on SHA-2, dice sites would be the least of your worries. Governments, bitcoin, the Internet, banks, etc. would all have a huge problem.



edit: you are talking about MD5. Dice sites do not and should never use MD5 indeed.

you can find for sha-256 and 512

Good luck to your site.

You CAN yes, but it's highly unlikely.

sha has 2^256 different combinations, or 1.15x10^77. using the total bitcoin hash rate of about 2,467,177,537,000 million hashes per second, it would still take about 7x10^56 years to have about a 50% chance of having cracked your seed.
That's 7 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years
Many people don't understand the significance of this many zeros. For instance, the latest estimates put the universe at 13 772 000 000 years old.

Entropy would likely run out long before you've had a 50% chance of cracking your seed. Meaning the universe is going to die long before you're likely to crack your seed.

Sha512 is even longer, as it has 2^512 combinations, or 1.34x10^154

But technically you can get lucky and hit it on your first try.

Edit: I don't understand how the sha algorithms work (my math is not nearly good enough for that) but as I understand, simply having a hash collision won't be good enough for the RNG purposes. You need the exact same match. For instance:

Hello and qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnmqwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm might result in the same hash, but as I understand the hashing algorithms, 1:Hello:clientseed and 1:qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnmqwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm:clientseed is NOT going to give you the same hash, which means the numbers you're going to get from the RNG is going to be different. Any cryptography boffins are free to correct me if I'm wrong about this.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Sora Aoi on January 14, 2017, 02:22:28 AM
Hey Nico,

Just a heads up. I think you should really consider removing SatoshiDice from your website.

I've had two friends recently tell me ~49 btc and ~77 btc have disappeared from their accounts the past week. The only response they have received from support so far is that they are "looking into it."

I then took the time to read old posts from their thread since December and there have been other numerous issues. This includes ignoring claims of btc amounts disappearing from player accounts, refusing to honor past tlb payouts, and never properly addressing an empty hotwallet.

-Sora Aoi


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 15, 2017, 03:27:48 AM
I have considered to remove them before for having bad support, but generally the issues were always solved "eventually". These latest issues seem to be very serious though and about big amounts, so I removed them from my site for now too. Note that I do still track the stats at https://dicesites.com/satoshidice I hope it will all still be resolved.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Sora Aoi on January 15, 2017, 06:40:21 AM
Thanks Nico.

I think it's the right call. I hope so too but it's not looking good at the moment.

-SoraAoi


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 15, 2017, 07:46:44 AM
That's called "hash collisions". Dice sites always use SHA-2 to hash their serverseeds. SHA-2 has no known hash collisions.

Note: if it were that easy to make collision attacks on SHA-2, dice sites would be the least of your worries. Governments, bitcoin, the Internet, banks, etc. would all have a huge problem.



edit: you are talking about MD5. Dice sites do not and should never use MD5 indeed.

you can find for sha-256 and 512

Good luck to your site.

You CAN yes, but it's highly unlikely.

sha has 2^256 different combinations, or 1.15x10^77. using the total bitcoin hash rate of about 2,467,177,537,000 million hashes per second, it would still take about 7x10^56 years to have about a 50% chance of having cracked your seed.
That's 7 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years
Many people don't understand the significance of this many zeros. For instance, the latest estimates put the universe at 13 772 000 000 years old.

Entropy would likely run out long before you've had a 50% chance of cracking your seed. Meaning the universe is going to die long before you're likely to crack your seed.

Sha512 is even longer, as it has 2^512 combinations, or 1.34x10^154

But technically you can get lucky and hit it on your first try.

Edit: I don't understand how the sha algorithms work (my math is not nearly good enough for that) but as I understand, simply having a hash collision won't be good enough for the RNG purposes. You need the exact same match. For instance:

Hello and qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnmqwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm might result in the same hash, but as I understand the hashing algorithms, 1:Hello:clientseed and 1:qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnmqwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm:clientseed is NOT going to give you the same hash, which means the numbers you're going to get from the RNG is going to be different. Any cryptography boffins are free to correct me if I'm wrong about this.

read about it.
https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/967.pdf

if you want you can find for sha256 and sha512.

Provided hash before bet - not guarantee fair


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 15, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Did you even read the title of that paper? "Freestart collision for full SHA-1".

We are talking about SHA-2 (includes SHA-256 and SHA-512) - used by the dice sites.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: crazybtrade on January 15, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
Did you even read the title of that paper? "Freestart collision for full SHA-1".

We are talking about SHA-2 (includes SHA-256 and SHA-512) - used by the dice sites.

Do you read my message?

Quote
you can find for sha-256 and 512

example: New Collision attacks Against Up To 24-step SHA-2
https://eprint.iacr.org/2008/270.pdf



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 16, 2017, 01:11:18 AM
From the abstract:
Quote
Although these attacks improve upon the existing reduced round SHA-2 attacks, they do not threaten the security of the full SHA-2 family.

SHA-256 has 64 rounds and SHA-512 has 80 rounds. Since this is impossible to attack, researchers reduce the number of rounds and try to attack that. It gets exponentially more difficult though. So if 24 rounds (from that paper) or even 28 rounds (based on latest papers) of SHA-256 are practical enough to attack - it still doesn't compromise the security of full SHA-2 at all.

I will repeat: There are no known SHA-2 collisions.

How about you just give me 1 example of a SHA-256 and SHA-512 collision? Since you claim dice site owners can generate these on the fly, you should easily be able to give us just 1? If you want we make a bet out of, I will be happy to bet some coins on this (with escrow obviously.)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on January 16, 2017, 03:57:45 AM
It's also worth noting that even if dice sites had some cutting edge techniques that broke sha2 and were able to generate collisions, still their ability to undetectably cheat is still insanely limited. That's because generating a single collision isn't enough, but you need to generate one that would give all previous games, which is an incomprehensibly hard problem that gets harder exponential with the amount of games played.

In reality, if there's any weakening of sha256 you can be pretty confident it will be used *against* dice sites (and/or the bitcoin network) long before dice sites are able to feasibly use it against players.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ethan_nx on January 25, 2017, 09:31:52 AM
Hi,

I am Ethan, creator/owner/admin of YOLOdice.com (https://yolodice.com). I was wondering if you could list our game. YD already has 730 BTC wagered, 200 BTC in bankroll and ~50 BTC of site profit, allows investing and seems to be getting traction pretty fast.

I suppose you need some kind of API integration to get stats from the server. I am open to any ideas. I definitely like your idea of dice-only sites!

Cheers,
Ethan


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: adaseb on January 26, 2017, 11:07:15 AM
Hello,

I don't know if this was asked before but will you guys enable verification checking for Fortunejack dice?

For every roll they create a new server seed hash AND a client seed (you can change this) and they have a verification but wondering if there is a 3rd party one I can use.

Is it possible for this site, I tried to use the Primedice one however the results didn't match.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on January 27, 2017, 04:56:45 PM
Hi there!

I looked at your site and I am very impressed! Thank you for featuring SafeDice on your site! I do have one question, is there a way to update our max win on your site because right now it says 24 BTC but you can actually win 63 BTC in one roll at SafeDice at the moment.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: joksim299 on January 27, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Hi there!

I looked at your site and I am very impressed! Thank you for featuring SafeDice on your site! I do have one question, is there a way to update our max win on your site because right now it says 24 BTC but you can actually win 63 BTC in one roll at SafeDice at the moment.

If we attempt to win 63BTC what house edge will be on that roll?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on January 27, 2017, 07:18:55 PM
Hi there!

I looked at your site and I am very impressed! Thank you for featuring SafeDice on your site! I do have one question, is there a way to update our max win on your site because right now it says 24 BTC but you can actually win 63 BTC in one roll at SafeDice at the moment.

If we attempt to win 63BTC what house edge will be on that roll?

If you rolled 63 BTC the house edge would be 4.5% but 10 BTC roll is .8% house edge.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on January 28, 2017, 05:35:56 AM
I am Ethan, creator/owner/admin of YOLOdice.com (https://yolodice.com). I was wondering if you could list our game. YD already has 730 BTC wagered, 200 BTC in bankroll and ~50 BTC of site profit, allows investing and seems to be getting traction pretty fast.
That is indeed a pretty good start, nice job :)

I generally only add sites that has been around for a while though. So while I do expect to follow your site personally, I will probably just add it after some more time. Besides that, I am still finishing my new version of the site and will add other sites (that has been waiting longer :d) first too.

I suppose you need some kind of API integration to get stats from the server. I am open to any ideas. I definitely like your idea of dice-only sites!
Yes, ideally I can just get the stats in JSON format from some URL :)



I don't know if this was asked before but will you guys enable verification checking for Fortunejack dice?
The problem is that they faked statistics before. Since my site is all about statistics, I find that a pretty serious issue. Of course I could just add only a verifier and not that stats-part.. but I am not sure. I will still think a bit about that :P



I looked at your site and I am very impressed! Thank you for featuring SafeDice on your site! I do have one question, is there a way to update our max win on your site because right now it says 24 BTC but you can actually win 63 BTC in one roll at SafeDice at the moment.
Thanks. The max profit of SafeDice on my website, is based on the highest house edge from other dice sites (which is SatoshiDice at 1.9% HE.) So you are able to win 24.1 BTC on SafeDice with a house edge of exactly 1.9% (and this is automatically updated to always be at 1.9% HE.) I consider that the most fair way of showing the max profit of SafeDice, since I don't recommend people to bet with a 5% HE.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on January 28, 2017, 06:02:47 AM
Ahhh okay now I understand. That makes sense and I really like the site by the way. ;D


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: 1982dre on January 28, 2017, 06:31:52 AM
Can Duckdice also be added to your site Nico?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: ethan_nx on January 31, 2017, 12:41:32 PM
I am Ethan, creator/owner/admin of YOLOdice.com (https://yolodice.com). I was wondering if you could list our game. YD already has 730 BTC wagered, 200 BTC in bankroll and ~50 BTC of site profit, allows investing and seems to be getting traction pretty fast.
That is indeed a pretty good start, nice job :)

I generally only add sites that has been around for a while though. So while I do expect to follow your site personally, I will probably just add it after some more time. Besides that, I am still finishing my new version of the site and will add other sites (that has been waiting longer :d) first too.

I suppose you need some kind of API integration to get stats from the server. I am open to any ideas. I definitely like your idea of dice-only sites!
Yes, ideally I can just get the stats in JSON format from some URL :)

Thanks for your answer! I will ping you after a while then. Good luck with your site!

Cheers,
Ethan


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 05:28:09 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 05:35:54 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: RHavar on February 03, 2017, 06:02:34 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

Yeah, it's just a stupid parking page. But dicesites.com on the other hand is pretty cool :o


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: newIndia on February 03, 2017, 06:05:15 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

It is dicesites.com. U missed the tailing s.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:06:01 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: CrazyCraig on February 03, 2017, 06:06:30 PM
How can I add my site to the list?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:09:24 PM
How can I add my site to the list?

I understand Nlnico very well, he have a very nice life and retired. And do other stuff that interest he more.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

Yeah, it's just a stupid parking page. But dicesites.com on the other hand is pretty cool :o

It was cool site 1 year ago when it had all best sites on it.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:13:59 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

It is dicesites.com. U missed the tailing s.

Whats your point ?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on February 03, 2017, 06:18:11 PM
Wanna collect that in a single post instead of making 3 posts back to back?



They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on
While I agree that the update is long overdue, who are we to request anything? Nico is doing this for free and they will get things done when they get things done.
Yes, there are sites that probably should be added, some that are waiting for a long time now, but the ones that are on there are good sites aswell, and I like the easy tracking of stats and comparing between sites Nicos overview offers.
Things could be better, but that doesn't mean what's there is bad.

How can I add my site to the list?
Get bigger and wait a long time :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: newIndia on February 03, 2017, 06:20:39 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

It is dicesites.com. U missed the tailing s.

Whats your point ?

Either u have made a typo in your first comment or checking the wrong domain.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:26:31 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

It is dicesites.com. U missed the tailing s.

Whats your point ?

Either u have made a typo in your first comment or checking the wrong domain.

I understand its hard for you to understand what i meant, if u want to be a professioal dumbie go ahead.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:28:43 PM
Wanna collect that in a single post instead of making 3 posts back to back?



They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on
While I agree that the update is long overdue, who are we to request anything? Nico is doing this for free and they will get things done when they get things done.
Yes, there are sites that probably should be added, some that are waiting for a long time now, but the ones that are on there are good sites aswell, and I like the easy tracking of stats and comparing between sites Nicos overview offers.
Things could be better, but that doesn't mean what's there is bad.

How can I add my site to the list?
Get bigger and wait a long time :)

I dont request anthing from nico but whats the point keep up a site if u dont update it. Cost only money to run and people leave.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 06:37:06 PM
Wanna collect that in a single post instead of making 3 posts back to back?



They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on
While I agree that the update is long overdue, who are we to request anything? Nico is doing this for free and they will get things done when they get things done.
Yes, there are sites that probably should be added, some that are waiting for a long time now, but the ones that are on there are good sites aswell, and I like the easy tracking of stats and comparing between sites Nicos overview offers.
Things could be better, but that doesn't mean what's there is bad.

How can I add my site to the list?
Get bigger and wait a long time :)

I dont request anthing from nico but whats the point keep up a site if u dont update it. Cost only money to run and people leave.

He does keep it updated. And he responds quickly to questions. But he isn't going to add new sites that have been around for a couple months that aren't reputable and might fail or disappear. That is why you do not see every new dice site on there.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 06:38:49 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Wanna collect that in a single post instead of making 3 posts back to back?



They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on
While I agree that the update is long overdue, who are we to request anything? Nico is doing this for free and they will get things done when they get things done.
Yes, there are sites that probably should be added, some that are waiting for a long time now, but the ones that are on there are good sites aswell, and I like the easy tracking of stats and comparing between sites Nicos overview offers.
Things could be better, but that doesn't mean what's there is bad.

How can I add my site to the list?
Get bigger and wait a long time :)

I dont request anthing from nico but whats the point keep up a site if u dont update it. Cost only money to run and people leave.

He does keep it updated. And he responds quickly to questions. But he isn't going to add new sites that have been around for a couple months that aren't reputable and might fail or disappear. That is why you do not see every new dice site on there.

I know acctually its alot more reputable sites that is not on list. Try update yourself


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:43:02 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?

If you dont know u dont care i guess.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 06:44:40 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?

If you dont know u dont care i guess.

I do care about other reputable sites, that is why I am asking! So please inform me of a dice site you were thinking they are missing. Because if you don't have an example then why are you even complaining.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 06:48:11 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?

If you dont know u dont care i guess.

I do care about other reputable sites, that is why I am asking! So please inform me of a dice site you were thinking they are missing. Because if you don't have an example then why are you even complaining.

Bustabit.com that RHavar runs has been top site for long time, crypto-games.net has run for years, and a few small sites that would be top 10 sites mostly every week.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 07:00:10 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?

If you dont know u dont care i guess.

I do care about other reputable sites, that is why I am asking! So please inform me of a dice site you were thinking they are missing. Because if you don't have an example then why are you even complaining.

Bustabit.com that RHavar runs has been top site for long time, crypto-games.net has run for years, and a few small sites that would be top 10 sites mostly every week.

Bustabit is not a traditional dice site. So that isn't comparable and crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable. What were the other site you were thinking of? I believe OP want traditional dice sites only so they can be easily compared. And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
Used dicesite.com for long time but now dicesite.com is dead and useless site now. Since developer dont care about site anymore.

How is it a useless site? I use it and I find it very informative.

They not update sites, there is a alot of new sites not on there. And alot of them are more people on and more wager on

What sites do you think should be added that are exclusively well established dice only sites?

If you dont know u dont care i guess.

I do care about other reputable sites, that is why I am asking! So please inform me of a dice site you were thinking they are missing. Because if you don't have an example then why are you even complaining.

Bustabit.com that RHavar runs has been top site for long time, crypto-games.net has run for years, and a few small sites that would be top 10 sites mostly every week.

Bustabit is not a traditional dice site. So that isn't comparable and crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable. What were the other site you were thinking of? I believe OP want traditional dice sites only so they can be easily compared. And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.

Bitdice is not a dicesite only, nitrogen is not a dicesite only , betterbets is not a dicesite only. when staotishi dice was there it was not a dicesite only. Then its just 4 sites left there.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on February 03, 2017, 07:03:12 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Juicey_SD on February 03, 2017, 07:17:54 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.

Yeah I checked out crypto-games and you could make a case that it should be added. But I am not sure what other sites gamblingbad is talking about.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 03, 2017, 07:30:34 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.

Yeah I checked out crypto-games and you could make a case that it should be added. But I am not sure what other sites gamblingbad is talking about.

If you only look dicesites.com you will believe its only a few sites. Dosent matter for me what you believe. I just like stats nlnico makes, thats why i post here and hope he adds more sites. Not to disqus with people who not follow btc gambling.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dean nolan on February 03, 2017, 08:33:36 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.

Yeah I checked out crypto-games and you could make a case that it should be added. But I am not sure what other sites gamblingbad is talking about.

If you only look dicesites.com you will believe its only a few sites. Dosent matter for me what you believe. I just like stats nlnico makes, thats why i post here and hope he adds more sites. Not to disqus with people who not follow btc gambling.

The thing is that NLNico always wanted to only list sites that he felt were trustworthy.

Takes a very long time for a site to prove they are, if they ever can since even some long opened sites can turn into scams.

I am invested in 4 sites not on NLNicos list but as much as I like them and have spoken with the owners I couldn't personally vouch or recommend them to investors due to them being new and also because I'm willing to take the risk personally.

It's one thing to invest in something but it's much worse if you then start recommending others do and it turns out bad. Then your own reputation is tarnished. NLNico has one of the best reputations in this community so I doubt he wants to mess that up.

Excited to see the new version. Long awaited but who am I to talk? ;)

I admit I would love to see Bustabit on there though.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: TOPBTCCASINOS on February 04, 2017, 09:01:29 AM
One of the best sites around - I use this most days.

I hope your are doing ok in terms of affiliate income as you deserve it :)


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 04, 2017, 04:58:33 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.

Yeah I checked out crypto-games and you could make a case that it should be added. But I am not sure what other sites gamblingbad is talking about.

If you only look dicesites.com you will believe its only a few sites. Dosent matter for me what you believe. I just like stats nlnico makes, thats why i post here and hope he adds more sites. Not to disqus with people who not follow btc gambling.

The thing is that NLNico always wanted to only list sites that he felt were trustworthy.

Takes a very long time for a site to prove they are, if they ever can since even some long opened sites can turn into scams.

I am invested in 4 sites not on NLNicos list but as much as I like them and have spoken with the owners I couldn't personally vouch or recommend them to investors due to them being new and also because I'm willing to take the risk personally.

It's one thing to invest in something but it's much worse if you then start recommending others do and it turns out bad. Then your own reputation is tarnished. NLNico has one of the best reputations in this community so I doubt he wants to mess that up.

Excited to see the new version. Long awaited but who am I to talk? ;)

I admit I would love to see Bustabit on there though.


If u fear to talk about site u invest maybe u should quiet. What the point to disqus here if not going to give our opinion?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: KingDice on February 04, 2017, 05:40:32 PM
And it is possible crypto-games is not open with their stats so it cannot be added.
Wrong, and easily to check for you. Crypto-Games offers public investments and hence provides all necessary stats, more than some casinos listed.
Further, all stats are available via API (https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/coinstats/BTC and https://api.crypto-games.net/v1/settings/BTC for BTC).

crypto-games is a casino not just a traditional dice site either so it isn't as easily comparable.
Yes and no. It's possible to just list the dice part of the casino, the stats for the dice game are available seperately and can be compared to the dice stats on all other sites.
Bitdice offers more games than just dice aswell, so does nitrogen (sports). Those sites are listed.

Yeah I checked out crypto-games and you could make a case that it should be added. But I am not sure what other sites gamblingbad is talking about.

If you only look dicesites.com you will believe its only a few sites. Dosent matter for me what you believe. I just like stats nlnico makes, thats why i post here and hope he adds more sites. Not to disqus with people who not follow btc gambling.

The thing is that NLNico always wanted to only list sites that he felt were trustworthy.

Takes a very long time for a site to prove they are, if they ever can since even some long opened sites can turn into scams.

I am invested in 4 sites not on NLNicos list but as much as I like them and have spoken with the owners I couldn't personally vouch or recommend them to investors due to them being new and also because I'm willing to take the risk personally.

It's one thing to invest in something but it's much worse if you then start recommending others do and it turns out bad. Then your own reputation is tarnished. NLNico has one of the best reputations in this community so I doubt he wants to mess that up.

Excited to see the new version. Long awaited but who am I to talk? ;)

I admit I would love to see Bustabit on there though.


If u fear to talk about site u invest maybe u should quiet. What the point to disqus here if not going to give our opinion?

Its very rational what dean is saying. His opinion is that he likes the sites he invested, and he took the risk by himself. But of course no-one respectable would easily "vouch" for a new site ( yes, even for KingDice  hehe :) )


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on February 05, 2017, 04:18:08 AM
I think my site is still fine if you are just looking for a decent dice site to play on. I do agree it's incomplete and there are some sites that should be on there though. Most notably crypto-games and bitvest (especially since they added dice.) My new version has filters too, so it allows non-dice (which would be hidden by default), so for example bustabit and luckybit are already added on my local test site too. And potentially some MP sites could be added like Bit-Exo (in terms of wagered.)

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.

Other than that: SatoshiDice and CoinRoll are removed just recently for having too many issues with too slow support. PocketDice I am not sure how their latest issues were resolved (with the huge delay on like 80 coin withdrawal), so I would have to look into that. BitSler I don't have stats from. Sites like 999dice still seems sketchy to me. Maybe some MP sites could be added (besides BB and Bit-Exo), but I am not sure how much wagered they have lately.




Overall the problem is that my new version is technically not compatible with my old version, so I decided to only add sites to new version. Then obviously the new version is taking waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long :P :( I am really sorry about that, it's pretty much just that other work comes along that I have to give higher priority than my own site. I definitely still care very much about my site though and plan to finish the new version soon-ish.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: wrxbuzz on February 05, 2017, 05:05:56 AM
Except primedice, and betking, which dice sites do you recommend to us? Is fortunejack dice OK? I saw many people complaint their bugs, win result will get balance minus, I dare not play there.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: iram3130 on February 05, 2017, 05:15:38 AM
Nice information and design. I would suggest a ranking or star rating system which would make users more easily understandable about the dice sites.
I dont see any social media handles. Please make pages in there and give share option so that you get some good advertisements.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on February 05, 2017, 05:19:00 AM
Nice information and design. I would suggest a ranking or star rating system which would make users more easily understandable about the dice sites.
They are ranked/rated by their stats, rather than subjective opinions about which site is better than which other.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Dmtripp27 on February 05, 2017, 07:37:32 AM
I love your site. I think I'm on there more then i am on here. And I almost always have this up.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: gamblingbad on February 05, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
I think my site is still fine if you are just looking for a decent dice site to play on. I do agree it's incomplete and there are some sites that should be on there though. Most notably crypto-games and bitvest (especially since they added dice.) My new version has filters too, so it allows non-dice (which would be hidden by default), so for example bustabit and luckybit are already added on my local test site too. And potentially some MP sites could be added like Bit-Exo (in terms of wagered.)

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.

Other than that: SatoshiDice and CoinRoll are removed just recently for having too many issues with too slow support. PocketDice I am not sure how their latest issues were resolved (with the huge delay on like 80 coin withdrawal), so I would have to look into that. BitSler I don't have stats from. Sites like 999dice still seems sketchy to me. Maybe some MP sites could be added (besides BB and Bit-Exo), but I am not sure how much wagered they have lately.




Overall the problem is that my new version is technically not compatible with my old version, so I decided to only add sites to new version. Then obviously the new version is taking waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long :P :( I am really sorry about that, it's pretty much just that other work comes along that I have to give higher priority than my own site. I definitely still care very much about my site though and plan to finish the new version soon-ish.

Sounds great=) Sorry if i was to negative in my earlier post.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: torry28 on February 05, 2017, 11:10:22 AM
Except primedice, and betking, which dice sites do you recommend to us? Is fortunejack dice OK? I saw many people complaint their bugs, win result will get balance minus, I dare not play there.
About fortunejack, you can read what NLNico ever said in their thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.msg12510016#msg12510016
 (Read on the next page too)
FYI: Betking.io already closed.



Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: zinobiq on February 05, 2017, 05:05:21 PM
I think my site is still fine if you are just looking for a decent dice site to play on. I do agree it's incomplete and there are some sites that should be on there though. Most notably crypto-games and bitvest (especially since they added dice.) My new version has filters too, so it allows non-dice (which would be hidden by default), so for example bustabit and luckybit are already added on my local test site too. And potentially some MP sites could be added like Bit-Exo (in terms of wagered.)

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.

Other than that: SatoshiDice and CoinRoll are removed just recently for having too many issues with too slow support. PocketDice I am not sure how their latest issues were resolved (with the huge delay on like 80 coin withdrawal), so I would have to look into that. BitSler I don't have stats from. Sites like 999dice still seems sketchy to me. Maybe some MP sites could be added (besides BB and Bit-Exo), but I am not sure how much wagered they have lately.




Overall the problem is that my new version is technically not compatible with my old version, so I decided to only add sites to new version. Then obviously the new version is taking waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long :P :( I am really sorry about that, it's pretty much just that other work comes along that I have to give higher priority than my own site. I definitely still care very much about my site though and plan to finish the new version soon-ish.

coinroll was hacked, right ?


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dustboy on February 05, 2017, 08:55:47 PM
coinroll was hacked, right ?

Where and when you heard/read about it? I do not find any news or posts on this forum that they were hacked lately. Are you going to say that their recent issue of slow supports because they were hacked? Would be nice if you can give more info about it.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: mohir on March 13, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
 i don;t get it as prime dice u can check roll HMAC N Than to hexadecimal  how bitsler.com do that  do u know how u verify that roll.

what is this all abt ..... its not as primedice

$seed = $serverSeed.'-'.$clientSeed.'-'.$nonce;
do {
     $seed = sha1($seed);
     $lucky = hexdec(substr($seed,0,8));
} while ($lucky > 4294960000);

$luckyNumber = ($lucky % 10000) / 100;

if ($luckyNumber < 0)
     $luckyNumber = -$luckyNumber;


echo $luckyNumber;

who can tell me how to verify n take out bitsler roll

like prime dice its simple client seed -nonce with secret key =hmac   n hmac gives us decimal with sha512 whts behind bitsler??


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: dannon on March 13, 2017, 10:38:31 AM
I think my site is still fine if you are just looking for a decent dice site to play on. I do agree it's incomplete and there are some sites that should be on there though. Most notably crypto-games and bitvest (especially since they added dice.) My new version has filters too, so it allows non-dice (which would be hidden by default), so for example bustabit and luckybit are already added on my local test site too. And potentially some MP sites could be added like Bit-Exo (in terms of wagered.)

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.

Other than that: SatoshiDice and CoinRoll are removed just recently for having too many issues with too slow support. PocketDice I am not sure how their latest issues were resolved (with the huge delay on like 80 coin withdrawal), so I would have to look into that. BitSler I don't have stats from. Sites like 999dice still seems sketchy to me. Maybe some MP sites could be added (besides BB and Bit-Exo), but I am not sure how much wagered they have lately.




Overall the problem is that my new version is technically not compatible with my old version, so I decided to only add sites to new version. Then obviously the new version is taking waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long :P :( I am really sorry about that, it's pretty much just that other work comes along that I have to give higher priority than my own site. I definitely still care very much about my site though and plan to finish the new version soon-ish.

coinroll was hacked, right ?

Are you sure? Did they announce that?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on March 13, 2017, 01:13:41 PM
i don;t get it as prime dice u can check roll HMAC N Than to hexadecimal  how bitsler.com do that  do u know how u verify that roll.

what is this all abt ..... its not as primedice

$seed = $serverSeed.'-'.$clientSeed.'-'.$nonce;
do {
     $seed = sha1($seed);
     $lucky = hexdec(substr($seed,0,8));
} while ($lucky > 4294960000);

$luckyNumber = ($lucky % 10000) / 100;

if ($luckyNumber < 0)
     $luckyNumber = -$luckyNumber;


echo $luckyNumber;

who can tell me how to verify n take out bitsler roll

like prime dice its simple client seed -nonce with secret key =hmac   n hmac gives us decimal with sha512 whts behind bitsler??
Note that I already have a simple verifier for Bitsler too: https://dicesites.com/bitsler/verifier

At Bitsler you have to use SHA1 instead of HMAC-SHA512 with:
Code:
server_seed-client_seed-end_nonce
Then instead of the first 5 characters, get the first 8 characters and convert from hexadecimal to decimal. Last part is the same as PD... outcome%10000/100.



Let me know if it works :) If not, you could give an example and I can show the "calculation" of the first result.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: KingDice on March 13, 2017, 02:23:34 PM
Im so happy that KingDice is soon becoming 6month old, and will be added to Dicesites! (#not)  ;D :D


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on June 07, 2017, 12:12:40 AM
can you verify duckdice?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: mohir on June 12, 2017, 07:32:31 PM
 can you please check again it works last time but i think i forgot again
Seed server (Hashed)
0dfae9fef68c1638bde02cb59983ddf79907783d8c345f217118ca814a75b5a74bca41bc43cbc4f 80fef87f66b962e4157682e3bf0c11dad677ed7c5076f7dba
Seed server (Revealed)
bb991459f04a09c7198fc1c56e47d5d6085d78b87965cd41e1770789d5216b4e4ad7ea1a21bc237 2eb13fa552d7ca44ff2e529c06ab624e46d200a362a932adc
Seed client
84d58ad81c56dfbcfee016c4ad477530e7c85756

u mean this right
Code:
server_seed-client_seed-end_nonce
for the first roll  on this sitehttp://www.freeformatter.com/hmac-generator.html#ad-output
Copy-paste the string here

bb991459f04a09c7198fc1c56e47d5d6085d78b87965cd41e1770789d5216b4e4ad7ea1a21bc237 2eb13fa552d7ca44ff2e529c06ab624e46d200a362a932adc-84d58ad81c56dfbcfee016c4ad477530e7c85756-1

Secret Key
bb991459f04a09c7198fc1c56e47d5d6085d78b87965cd41e1770789d5216b4e4ad7ea1a21bc237 2eb13fa552d7ca44ff2e529c06ab624e46d200a362a932adc
Select a message digest algorithm
SHA1

than outcome 8 digits to  hexa and than last part same right ?

becoz its not coming correct or i forgot something.............. it works that day

 thanx and regards




...
i don;t get it as prime dice u can check roll HMAC N Than to hexadecimal  how bitsler.com do that  do u know how u verify that roll.

what is this all abt ..... its not as primedice

$seed = $serverSeed.'-'.$clientSeed.'-'.$nonce;
do {
     $seed = sha1($seed);
     $lucky = hexdec(substr($seed,0,8));
} while ($lucky > 4294960000);

$luckyNumber = ($lucky % 10000) / 100;

if ($luckyNumber < 0)
     $luckyNumber = -$luckyNumber;


echo $luckyNumber;

who can tell me how to verify n take out bitsler roll

like prime dice its simple client seed -nonce with secret key =hmac   n hmac gives us decimal with sha512 whts behind bitsler??
Note that I already have a simple verifier for Bitsler too: https://dicesites.com/bitsler/verifier

At Bitsler you have to use SHA1 instead of HMAC-SHA512 with:
Code:
server_seed-client_seed-end_nonce
Then instead of the first 5 characters, get the first 8 characters and convert from hexadecimal to decimal. Last part is the same as PD... outcome%10000/100.



Let me know if it works :) If not, you could give an example and I can show the "calculation" of the first result.



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: jamyr on July 19, 2017, 10:13:33 AM
I guess the site is not working properly?

Tried to verify my rolls on Primedice.

Server seed Hash
Code:
4de2ed397d67101ae30e08db85b009377520ae4b21bb2edf5c4bba9a2e01d173

Server Seed
Code:
9695a036e658edc3a065d0a4f852f1d5deab7c567cdbae0c3cfaa8c3729bfae3

Client Seed
Code:
1646361111284a

Starting Nonce, I left it to 0 so it will produce all my bets, I get this:

Quote
Result
We generated the same server seed hash. Check if your rolls are correct.

Your rolls:

http://prntscr.com/fxjyq9


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: svirby on July 19, 2017, 10:48:24 AM
Can you maybe add luckygames.io ?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on July 19, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
would be awesome if someone did a tutorial on how to verify your bets (preferably with Sent's dicebot).


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Bazinga! on July 19, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
This is a great site to verify site's provability, i haven't use the verifier that much since bitdice is the only site i play in the current list ,however your dicesites.com/tools is the one i use all the time, it helped me a lot on trying different strat, and for me know if my bankroll can cover the streak for any strat i use.

I will try to play on some of the site included on your list and use your verifier.  Keep it up and thank you!


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Lutpin on July 19, 2017, 01:49:02 PM
I guess the site is not working properly?
Because you didn't enter a last nonce?! You can see the blank field in your screenshot.
Unless you want to create an unlimited set of results (which would crash the site, hence it doesn't work), you will have to set an ending point.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on July 21, 2017, 06:46:56 AM
How exactly do you verify your rolls using your JD verifier?

I copied and pasted the JD seed box, however, I'm not sure what the next step is after generating the list of rolls?
I'm using Sent's bot so I have all the data in excel.




Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 21, 2017, 08:44:31 AM
I believe Seuntjie's bot has an in-build verifier, so TBH you wouldn't even need to use another verifier. (not sure if Seuntjie's bot automatically verifies it though?)




Verifying the results is mostly 2 steps:

1. Check if the serverseed HASH is the same compared to the one the verifier generates. This should automatically make a green or red (if wrong) message above the bet results. So this step is pretty easy.

2. Check if the rolls are actually the same as the rolls that you had. This you will have to do manually by simply comparing them with your roll results (for you: excel data.) If you already see a list of bet results, I assume the first roll listed on my site is the last bet you made (and next is second last, etc.)




So I guess understanding the "nonce" idea is important here (also for jamyr :)) If you make a bet with a new set of seeds, the nonce starts at either 0 or 1 (depends on which site.) After that, the nonce goes up by 1 after each bet. So if you made 7,983 bets with those seeds and you want to check the last 100 bets, you will probably fill in "7983" as "Last nonce" and then "7883" as Starting nonce. I cannot "guess" how many bets you made, because like Lutpin said, it could be an huge / unlimited amount of bets :p So you will have to fill this in manually.

Normally you can easily see the "last nonce" when you go to "My bets" on a site and click on your last bet that you made with that set of seeds and look for "nonce". Or sometimes the site shows it when you generate a new serverseed. Or it might be in that excel data Seuntjie generates.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: jamyr on July 21, 2017, 03:52:54 PM
I believe Seuntjie's bot has an in-build verifier, so TBH you wouldn't even need to use another verifier. (not sure if Seuntjie's bot automatically verifies it though?)




Verifying the results is mostly 2 steps:

1. Check if the serverseed HASH is the same compared to the one the verifier generates. This should automatically make a green or red (if wrong) message above the bet results. So this step is pretty easy.

2. Check if the rolls are actually the same as the rolls that you had. This you will have to do manually by simply comparing them with your roll results (for you: excel data.) If you already see a list of bet results, I assume the first roll listed on my site is the last bet you made (and next is second last, etc.)




So I guess understanding the "nonce" idea is important here (also for jamyr :)) If you make a bet with a new set of seeds, the nonce starts at either 0 or 1 (depends on which site.) After that, the nonce goes up by 1 after each bet. So if you made 7,983 bets with those seeds and you want to check the last 100 bets, you will probably fill in "7983" as "Last nonce" and then "7883" as Starting nonce. I cannot "guess" how many bets you made, because like Lutpin said, it could be an huge / unlimited amount of bets :p So you will have to fill this in manually.

Normally you can easily see the "last nonce" when you go to "My bets" on a site and click on your last bet that you made with that set of seeds and look for "nonce". Or sometimes the site shows it when you generate a new serverseed. Or it might be in that excel data Seuntjie generates.

I guess the site is not working properly?
Because you didn't enter a last nonce?! You can see the blank field in your screenshot.
Unless you want to create an unlimited set of results (which would crash the site, hence it doesn't work), you will have to set an ending point.

'twas 4k plus bets and I didn't realize having to put a figure to minimize the number of rolls to be generated. But I'll make sure I'll remember next time.

P.S.

My purpose for doing that is to be able to see how close my bet was for a promotion that requires us to post a bet id. :)


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 21, 2017, 05:47:25 PM
That is actually a pretty smart way to do such promo :) never even thought of that kind of usage for a verifier lol.


Title: Re: DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: emsjvh on July 23, 2017, 07:35:27 AM
I believe Seuntjie's bot has an in-build verifier, so TBH you wouldn't even need to use another verifier. (not sure if Seuntjie's bot automatically verifies it though?)




Verifying the results is mostly 2 steps:

1. Check if the serverseed HASH is the same compared to the one the verifier generates. This should automatically make a green or red (if wrong) message above the bet results. So this step is pretty easy.

2. Check if the rolls are actually the same as the rolls that you had. This you will have to do manually by simply comparing them with your roll results (for you: excel data.) If you already see a list of bet results, I assume the first roll listed on my site is the last bet you made (and next is second last, etc.)




So I guess understanding the "nonce" idea is important here (also for jamyr :)) If you make a bet with a new set of seeds, the nonce starts at either 0 or 1 (depends on which site.) After that, the nonce goes up by 1 after each bet. So if you made 7,983 bets with those seeds and you want to check the last 100 bets, you will probably fill in "7983" as "Last nonce" and then "7883" as Starting nonce. I cannot "guess" how many bets you made, because like Lutpin said, it could be an huge / unlimited amount of bets :p So you will have to fill this in manually.

Normally you can easily see the "last nonce" when you go to "My bets" on a site and click on your last bet that you made with that set of seeds and look for "nonce". Or sometimes the site shows it when you generate a new serverseed. Or it might be in that excel data Seuntjie generates.

can you do a video tutorial? I'm still not quite understanding how to check my rolls. What exactly do I do with the generated roll list from your verifier?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on July 24, 2017, 03:29:26 AM
Compare it with the bet results you got from the site. Best to read https://dicesites.com/provably-fair if you really want to understand how provably fair works :P Paragraph under "Verify both steps - the easy way" is about the verifier.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: game-protect on August 22, 2017, 02:36:53 AM
Are there any stats for the publicly proven Duckdice.io (https://game-protect.com/duckdice-scam/) scam available?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: NLNico on August 22, 2017, 02:58:09 AM
No, I personally never logged anything from them.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: MICRO on August 31, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
What about Stake.com dice game? Can u include casinos that have dice or just dicesites?


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: casinolize.com on September 13, 2017, 08:05:47 PM
How do i list my site www.casinolize.com

It is a provably fair dice site with 0.7% House Edge.  Please tell me the procedures.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Bitinity on September 15, 2017, 03:23:00 AM
How do i list my site www.casinolize.com

It is a provably fair dice site with 0.7% House Edge.  Please tell me the procedures.

Your site is still too young to be added on dicesites.com, improve your site first and wait for at least 6 months then you may ask NLNico to look at your site before add it on his site.
For your reference :

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: YOLO_LIFE on September 15, 2017, 11:30:44 AM
could you add other dice sites like duckdice,yolodice,bitsler... etc.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: casinolize.com on September 15, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
How do i list my site www.casinolize.com

It is a provably fair dice site with 0.7% House Edge.  Please tell me the procedures.

Your site is still too young to be added on dicesites.com, improve your site first and wait for at least 6 months then you may ask NLNico to look at your site before add it on his site.
For your reference :

There are some newer sites that look promising too, like yolodice.com, kingdice.com and duckdice.io. Normally I would at least like a site to be around like 6 months and AFAIK they are newer than that. I am considering to add newer sites though and just make them hidden by default too with simple filter (checkbox), so it allows people to still see them if you want.

Thank you for the information.  Ill wait for 6 months and request NLNICO to add my site.



Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: Red Fish on September 15, 2017, 02:46:40 PM
Website is very good, but not all Dice sites are included. So you can check through Google search and add new Dice sites. Then website can be valuable tool for gamblers. Plus you can also include online chat, where gamblers can chat.   


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: jamyr on September 15, 2017, 04:04:22 PM
could you add other dice sites like duckdice,yolodice,bitsler... etc.

Bitsler has long been included here.


Title: Re: 🎲 DiceSites.com - List of dice sites w/ statistics, graphs & verifiers
Post by: casinolize.com on September 15, 2017, 07:28:36 PM
Website is very good, but not all Dice sites are included. So you can check through Google search and add new Dice sites. Then website can be valuable tool for gamblers. Plus you can also include online chat, where gamblers can chat.   

Are you referring our site?  If yes, we already have a chat room