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Title: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 24, 2014, 07:06:28 AM

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center




Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 24, 2014, 07:12:16 AM
EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Beastlymac on December 24, 2014, 07:25:48 AM
Will you provide a miner to a high ranking member of the community to review and authenticate?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Zich on December 24, 2014, 07:28:09 AM
Some chips specs & picture would be great.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dropt on December 24, 2014, 07:28:26 AM
When did you complete tape out?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dabs on December 24, 2014, 07:42:26 AM
Will you provide a miner to a high ranking member of the community to review and authenticate?

Sign me up. I'll review a unit for you. Honest. No bias. I'll tell you what I think. And if you want it back after the review, I can ship it back if you reimburse me the cost of shipping it back to you. (I'd prefer I keep it.)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Subw on December 24, 2014, 07:46:37 AM
Scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on December 24, 2014, 07:55:40 AM
Well, lets see what happens with this one. I have to say the formatting makes a change and the site is pretty filled out.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Xian01 on December 24, 2014, 07:59:50 AM
I hope you can appreciate pre-orders are frowned upon by this community, and you are going to come under intense scrutiny without providing proof of product existence and performance.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 24, 2014, 09:22:26 AM

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center




Hello, Michael (that's where I quit reading). Go fuck yourself!

Now, to read the rest of the thread to see if my assessment is correct.

EDIT: Confirmed!

ECHO: Go fuck yourself!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dexter770221 on December 24, 2014, 10:17:43 AM
I live near (Warsaw), may I visit you and see a miner in action? Also you may consider to put one unit into Bitcoin Embassy in Warsaw (Krucza street), they will make an review and then you may gain some legitimacy...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: vortexz on December 24, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
lol
why do you guys bother ?
it's clearly a scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: bbxx on December 24, 2014, 11:20:36 AM
Quote
Can I avoid pay VAT?

If you are in a group of customers who must pay VAT, you can pay Bitcoin to avoid it.

scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on December 24, 2014, 11:26:48 AM

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

Hello!

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Unacceptable on December 24, 2014, 11:40:13 AM
I'll do a review for you,I've been here since June 2011  8)

I've missed doing a review with other miners,Dogie beat me to it many,many times  :D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 24, 2014, 11:42:48 AM

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

Hello!

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

also would help if the case did not look like every other scam/default/basic box case from now till 2 years back imho

imho



I'll do a review for you,I've been here since June 2011  8)

I've missed doing a review with other miners,Dogie beat me to it many,many times  :D

alas unacceptable ...the review by 'unacceptable' in the positive MAY lose a little credibility with the newbies due to your handle

(I know you are all warm and fuzzy just saying I can see the corp type "we are having 'unacceptable' review our product on bitcointalk a show of hands please in favor?"

then again Searing with 2 built in PSU's probably is not a good choice either for a review



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: clownius on December 24, 2014, 11:52:02 AM
Pre-Order...

Stop right there we know how this ends. 

Badly for anyone who orders. 

Come back when your ready to ship. 

People here are sick to death of funding companies R&D and getting nothing in return or the equipment only afters its obsolete and they have been mined to death before shipping.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Xer0 on December 24, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
6TH for 600$ ...yep

http://perfectlycursedlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Seems-legit-random-28286619-552-414-300x225.png


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: aclass on December 24, 2014, 12:13:15 PM
come on guys... you don't understand... this is the super duper new ASIC... you buy the PSUs and everything else comes free


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: clownius on December 24, 2014, 12:27:22 PM

Yeah the price screams scam too. 

So they may not even go through with the create a chip with customers money then mine until the equipment is useless then ship it scam.  They will probably just run with the money straight away.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Xer0 on December 24, 2014, 12:28:11 PM
seriously, their specs could be absolutely true:
at no point they said the 6TH are for SHA512  ::)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 24, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
I would hope people are not rushing to place orders here...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 24, 2014, 03:40:50 PM
Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:

Scam

I prefer shorter messages. Nothing to say here. Useless one-liner. Absolute no arguments. Why scam? Because scam.

Just please tell me anyone. Why do you think that we are scam? What else should we do to incerase our value in your eyes? Sending test unit is an option of course. This is not so expensive device.

Hello, Michael (that's where I quit reading). Go fuck yourself!

Now, to read the rest of the thread to see if my assessment is correct.

EDIT: Confirmed!

ECHO: Go fuck yourself!

Completely rude and arrogant. I will not speak with anyone speaking such vulgar and agressive language. This is not my conversation level.

P.S. Interesting proposition. I will consider it.

lol
why do you guys bother ?
it's clearly a scam

And this is clearly another comment without any arguments.

Quote
Can I avoid pay VAT?

If you are in a group of customers who must pay VAT, you can pay Bitcoin to avoid it.

scam

I appreciate this comment, because it has some argument. At least you have read our website, but let me explain somethng.

In Poland Bitcoin is not regulated by any law. I is not a crime to avoid paying taxes using Bitcoin because there are no regulations for this (consulted with lawyer). So it is not a crime to do it and also to suggest this. Furthermore this option my be useful only for a few customers. It aplies only for customers from Poland because foreign customers are getting invoice with 0% VAT.

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

We are working at the project and the website as well for about 6 months. There may be some not actual data (but only in details!)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

It's actually cash but not on delivery. You can pay in cash directly in our office for pre-order.

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

We've tested couple configurations. This one seems to work fine.

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

It depends on: where you buy, how much you buy, what you buy and couple other things. You can get very affordable price on almost every electronic equipment.

Please dont judge by the price you paying in your local eletronic store.

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

Please wait couple days... this is in progress. It's Christmas. Give us couple days.

Pre-Order...

Stop right there we know how this ends. 

Badly for anyone who orders. 

Come back when your ready to ship. 

People here are sick to death of funding companies R&D and getting nothing in return or the equipment only afters its obsolete and they have been mined to death before shipping.

ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)
Yeah the price screams scam too. 

So they may not even go through with the create a chip with customers money then mine until the equipment is useless then ship it scam.  They will probably just run with the money straight away.

Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.

Things ara going cheaper and more powerful in time. Would you think a year ago that a 5.5 TH/s miner will be available in stock for $2700?  Just answer the question, and think again. Is this really impossible?

I can tell you it is possible, and even more I'm sure this will happen in February.

seriously, their specs could be absolutely true:
at no point they said the 6TH are for SHA512  ::)

Nope. They're for SHA256.

I live near (Warsaw), may I visit you and see a miner in action? Also you may consider to put one unit into Bitcoin Embassy in Warsaw (Krucza street), they will make an review and then you may gain some legitimacy...

Yes! Visiting us in person is welcome. However we do not have ready device in Poland. It may tak some time to get first phisical working test unit in Poland. After Christmas I will try to update schedule for EMIC PowerModule development, and maybe upload some diagrams and other stuff.

I would hope people are not rushing to place orders here...

And I of course hope opposite.

I hope you can appreciate pre-orders are frowned upon by this community, and you are going to come under intense scrutiny without providing proof of product existence and performance.

Yes. I understand and appreciate this. It's actually giving me personally even more energy to complete project in given deadline and within all specs.

At the same time, however, do not agree on the language and the way some of comments.

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.





Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 24, 2014, 03:59:39 PM
my point is that I, as well as probably many others here, have been burned multiple times by pre-orders. To rush into another new pre-order without further information would be irresponsible. Unfortunately this places an undue burden on new market entries such as yourself but previous events will dictate future restrictions in most cases and this one is no different.

I agree with the test unit for prominent community members for review but without a working product or some sort of evidence of progress made then sales will be difficult.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Subw on December 24, 2014, 04:19:00 PM
emic.com.pl, stop bullshitting and show us chips you are using. you have none at declared price that's why are you scam artist. gfy


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: philipma1957 on December 24, 2014, 04:30:20 PM

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center



  I won't call you an  evil scammer.  I won't say go fuck yourself.  Just not polite to say that on Christmas eve.

I will say this: Delivered by feb 2015 means I get it on Feb 28th.  That is 6+31+28 = 65 days.

I can order an sp20 today get the christmas sale and spend 600 bucks. I would get it in around Jan 1.  I can mine for 59 days time.  Before your gear shows up.  I am buying in stock gear.  It will mine at 1300gh at 720 watts or so. It is a known good reliable machine.

   You promise 5.65 th at .24 watts  a gh   if you can build that you do not need us.  Just mine on your own.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Biffa on December 24, 2014, 05:21:21 PM
Serious question, are you developing your own ASIC or are you using the ASIC of another company?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 24, 2014, 05:56:32 PM
Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:

Scam

I prefer shorter messages.

Funny how you ignored my message. The first reply in this thread. Let me quote it so you can see it again.

EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.

I'll make it longer for you. You are not the first to release a 20nm ASIC. KnC was. Months ago. Your claim is a flat out lie. Something so simple and important as that being a lie tells me you are full of lots more lies.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dropt on December 24, 2014, 06:09:58 PM
ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.

Only KnC started with a traditional pre-order.  

ASICMiner took investor funds for their first chip, people bought shares in an IPO fashion that can be publicly traded.  The first AM HW sold to the public was not a pre-order.  90% of the HW ASICMiner has sold was sold as in stock.

Neither Bitmain or Spondoolies-Tech sold their first HW through pre-orders.  All of their initial sales run(s) were from in stock HW.



You also missed my question in your response.

When did you complete tape out?



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on December 24, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)

Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.
No-no-no-no-no, please don't get me wrong. Your miner looks really good. We just don't want to lose our money... Sure, faint heart never won fair lady. But too many people here (and not only here) lost their money with such new coming companies...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: PuertoLibre on December 24, 2014, 06:27:25 PM
EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.
LoL, you and I thought the exact same thing.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on December 24, 2014, 06:33:52 PM

IE, they might not be lying, they might just be wrong/ignorant. You should probably apologize for being so mean to the poor scammers.

Would you buy from someone that doesn't know that a major competitor already has a 20nm?
Would you buy product that is not going to be ready until February 2015 without any evidence?

Doesn't matter what this company claims. No chip, no miner, no sale.

Another BFL wannabe.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: PuertoLibre on December 24, 2014, 06:34:22 PM
Whats up with this case? Isn't reality anti-aliased?

Perhaps this wasn't taken with an actual camera? LOL.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: slastar on December 24, 2014, 06:35:05 PM
Here is some details about this company
https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

and there a few interested things
1. - company was registered at 1 dec 2014, 24 days is a lot time to develop chips and make prototype of miner  ::)
2. - he is self-employment , but looking for some help to answer emails and phones  ;D - LINK (http://www.pracuj.pl/praca/pracownik-dzialu-obslugi-klienta-miedzynarodowego-piaseczno,oferta,3692585)
3. - email michalkrawczyszyn91@onet.pl sugest that he was born at 1991 so he is 23 yers old now, he must be some f***ing genius if he alone develop own chips in 24days  ;D




Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 24, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
Quote
DOMAIN NAME: emic.com.pl
registrant type: organization
nameservers: dns200.anycast.me.
                     ns200.anycast.me.
created: 2014.12.02 19:06:33
last modified: 2014.12.23 01:12:10
renewal date: 2015.12.02 19:06:33

Domain created 22 days ago and only registered for 1 year. https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl (https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl)

I like this quote on the website: 'Buy from a trusted supplier' ::).


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dlowings on December 24, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
Total scam 6 Th's at 1500w no way.. Not at this stage of the game. Maybe in another 8 months but at that time there will be real hardware on the market shipping from stock.. I'll wait.

This crap is what gives BTC a bad name.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 24, 2014, 07:39:30 PM
Disclaimer: this will be useless and long!

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.

So you bothered to answer to all "trolls", but you didn't replied to the tape out question. And you are wondering why do people think this is a scam?

How about instead of posting useless long replies you post some hard proof evidence? Show us the mask, tell us about the tape out, the chip package etc.

Obvious SCAM is obvious!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on December 24, 2014, 07:41:46 PM

IE, they might not be lying, they might just be wrong/ignorant. You should probably apologize for being so mean to the poor scammers.

Would you buy from someone that doesn't know that a major competitor already has a 20nm?
Would you buy product that is not going to be ready until February 2015 without any evidence?

Doesn't matter what this company claims. No chip, no miner, no sale.

Another BFL wannabe.
LOL... I'm not sure why you'd think my joking claim that they might not be lying about being the first 20nm ASIC manufacturer because they're incompetent scammers who just have no idea that there's already a 20nm design out there would indicate that I would buy from them.

I was adding to the JOKE.

Guess I need to add sarcasm tags I guess.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 24, 2014, 10:25:01 PM
Surely this is a joke? Nothing here says anything but a scam.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sikke on December 25, 2014, 01:05:13 AM
20nm is too expensive to make and sell at current bitcoin prices.
Scam right there.

28nm is superior in price. Just design better chips like Bitfury.
Theres still room to improve designs.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: xstr8guy on December 25, 2014, 02:53:20 AM
Well this is clearly a scam!

But... we may be seeing miners with this kind of power/price/efficiency in the very near future if Bitfury allow 3rd party vendors to build with their new chips.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Unacceptable on December 25, 2014, 04:05:14 AM

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

Hello!

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

also would help if the case did not look like every other scam/default/basic box case from now till 2 years back imho

imho



I'll do a review for you,I've been here since June 2011  8)

I've missed doing a review with other miners,Dogie beat me to it many,many times  :D

alas unacceptable ...the review by 'unacceptable' in the positive MAY lose a little credibility with the newbies due to your handle

(I know you are all warm and fuzzy just saying I can see the corp type "we are having 'unacceptable' review our product on bitcointalk a show of hands please in favor?"

then again Searing with 2 built in PSU's probably is not a good choice either for a review



Had to ask  :D

BTW,you don't see me advertising for ANYONE,do you ???  Think about it Searing..................  ::)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: aclass on December 25, 2014, 06:28:07 AM
Let's see...
Shipping in 2 months tops - OK
No actual test miner at hand - NOT OK
No pics of chips or any proof that the chips are developed - NOT OK

So even if it is not scam it will NOT ship in Feb so at least this is a lie and once you start with lies why not keep on upping.

Well sorry guys. Try to do a better job next time.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 25, 2014, 08:40:15 AM

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

Hello!

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

also would help if the case did not look like every other scam/default/basic box case from now till 2 years back imho

imho



I'll do a review for you,I've been here since June 2011  8)

I've missed doing a review with other miners,Dogie beat me to it many,many times  :D

alas unacceptable ...the review by 'unacceptable' in the positive MAY lose a little credibility with the newbies due to your handle

(I know you are all warm and fuzzy just saying I can see the corp type "we are having 'unacceptable' review our product on bitcointalk a show of hands please in favor?"

then again Searing with 2 built in PSU's probably is not a good choice either for a review



Had to ask  :D

BTW,you don't see me advertising for ANYONE,do you ???  Think about it Searing..................  ::)

yeah all tagline advertising is either virtual cloud mining or gambling....well I can do that ...the tagline is probably toast when/if GAW is a scam for sure with paycoin
you want to have me run an ad for gambling or virtual cloud mining is one thing...but if it turns out paycoin is bogus and you are then rolling over $$$ or hash from
your virtual miners to pretend coin well...tagline will have to go

but if you think gambling or virtual cloud mining is your thing who am I do judge..but paycoin is looking like come the 29th may prove  to be a scam still unsure ...he
could have some big bucks behind him (ie billionaire) doubtful.....thus if it is all fantasy come dec 29th the
tagline is toast very likely indeed.....

then I'm off to get another virtual cloud miner or gambling tag line (hey that ship has sailed already we can start a separate thread to argue morals of those taglines) lol :)
 but yeah truth be told ...proof is in the pudding on the 29th of dec
for gaw I may run taglines for folk who think virtual mining is the way to go or gamble....heck people can have fun anyway they wish virtual cloud mining or gambling or whatever

but if this turns out to be a big pump/dump oops on GAW's part come Dec 29th well ......DEC 0.10 btc is going to a charity and the tagline is gone..

smoke and mirrors or put up or shut up time I guess

yep will be tagline less (prob should just send Dec's 0.10 btc to bitcointalk.org here..if it all goes boom here soon...)







Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on December 26, 2014, 07:49:45 AM
Are there any plans for using escrow?.. I guess no, but I should ask.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Zich on December 26, 2014, 08:20:24 AM
Some chips specs & picture would be great.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ElGabo on December 26, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
PLEASE GUYS!

Let this thread die.....  ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 26, 2014, 02:02:36 PM
PLEASE GUYS!

Let this thread die.....  ;D


again the 2 PSU's at 750 watts or whatever it was  INCLUDED and INTERNAL for what was it 600 usd for the entire unit with case!

well no frigging way could they pull that off imho......and that seems to be the weakest part of their argument..er I should say this is a weak example

there are much better arguments on this thread ...but that is what jumped out to me on here


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 26, 2014, 02:17:03 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 26, 2014, 04:00:53 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?


heh...I should check their site (too lazy) but pretty sure the credit card option is not in place yet (you think?)


edit: addtitional ...

Just looked at their site...gee guess what your options are for PAYMENT (cut and paste below)

Direct Bank Transfer


LOL :)      (I mean really? Is it that easy to get $$$$ out of people here? They are NOT even making a legit effort on this fantasy!)




Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 04:35:19 PM
Scam!

ToS gleaned verbatim from here - https://www.sz-ok.com/en_US/i/Terms/25 - having the original English version translated to Polish via Google Translation.

I will reverse my position if scammer pays me $10K USD via BTC and sends me the very first two miners for evaluation, then I will sell them to pocket even more monies. If he doesn't comply, then this is a ...

Scam!

After 18 years of this domain being registered, I am the first to ever archive it: http://web.archive.org/web/20141226163348/http://emic.com.pl/en/


Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center





Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 04:52:08 PM
Disclaimer: this will be long!

At the beginning, I would like to thank you for all the comments (except a few). I will try to keep this brief.

Let me start with negative feedback:

Scam

I prefer shorter messages. Nothing to say here. Useless one-liner. Absolute no arguments. Why scam? Because scam.

Just please tell me anyone. Why do you think that we are scam? What else should we do to incerase our value in your eyes? Sending test unit is an option of course. This is not so expensive device.

Hello, Michael (that's where I quit reading). Go fuck yourself!

Now, to read the rest of the thread to see if my assessment is correct.

EDIT: Confirmed!

ECHO: Go fuck yourself!

Completely rude and arrogant. I will not speak with anyone speaking such vulgar and agressive language. This is not my conversation level.

P.S. Interesting proposition. I will consider it.

lol
why do you guys bother ?
it's clearly a scam

And this is clearly another comment without any arguments.

Quote
Can I avoid pay VAT?

If you are in a group of customers who must pay VAT, you can pay Bitcoin to avoid it.

scam

I appreciate this comment, because it has some argument. At least you have read our website, but let me explain somethng.

In Poland Bitcoin is not regulated by any law. I is not a crime to avoid paying taxes using Bitcoin because there are no regulations for this (consulted with lawyer). So it is not a crime to do it and also to suggest this. Furthermore this option my be useful only for a few customers. It aplies only for customers from Poland because foreign customers are getting invoice with 0% VAT.

"Customized cgminer 3.8" - oh, please use more fresh cgminer... It shouldn't be a big problem.

We are working at the project and the website as well for about 6 months. There may be some not actual data (but only in details!)

How about cash-on-delivery (I very like that scheme...)?

It's actually cash but not on delivery. You can pay in cash directly in our office for pre-order.

p.s. also "Built in 2 x 750W power supply" probably is not a best solution - what will buyer do in case of PSU failure? Should he wait for arrival of spare PSU from your store?

We've tested couple configurations. This one seems to work fine.

that is the 'scam' button right there....TWO 750w power supplies with case etc all for $600 usd please....the PSU's would be half the cost of the unit for them wholesale imho

It depends on: where you buy, how much you buy, what you buy and couple other things. You can get very affordable price on almost every electronic equipment.

Please dont judge by the price you paying in your local eletronic store.

scam ...the cc stuff is so people will think they are legit "before it is activated' and send in BTC as a result

Please wait couple days... this is in progress. It's Christmas. Give us couple days.

Pre-Order...

Stop right there we know how this ends. 

Badly for anyone who orders. 

Come back when your ready to ship. 

People here are sick to death of funding companies R&D and getting nothing in return or the equipment only afters its obsolete and they have been mined to death before shipping.

ASICMiner, Bitmain, SpondooliesTech, KnC. They all started with pre-order. So now market is closed for existing vendors and mystic investor with fat wallet to manufacture all devices to firs delivery without pre-order? Maybe yes. But I will try, and do my best to complete this project succesfully. I Invested already a lot of money in this. I knew from the beginning, that there is an option for failure and reaction like this.

584.55 USD for 5.65 Th?! I'm in right now!!! But I am very afraid that your offer is just a scam. Usual artless scam. Hope I am wrong.  8)
Yeah the price screams scam too. 

So they may not even go through with the create a chip with customers money then mine until the equipment is useless then ship it scam.  They will probably just run with the money straight away.

Each time new miner comes, there's the same speech. "Too cheap", "To powerful", "Not possible". For you guys nothing is good. Or it's too expensive or too cheap. Always wrong.

Things ara going cheaper and more powerful in time. Would you think a year ago that a 5.5 TH/s miner will be available in stock for $2700?  Just answer the question, and think again. Is this really impossible?

I can tell you it is possible, and even more I'm sure this will happen in February.

seriously, their specs could be absolutely true:
at no point they said the 6TH are for SHA512  ::)

Nope. They're for SHA256.

I live near (Warsaw), may I visit you and see a miner in action? Also you may consider to put one unit into Bitcoin Embassy in Warsaw (Krucza street), they will make an review and then you may gain some legitimacy...

Yes! Visiting us in person is welcome. However we do not have ready device in Poland. It may tak some time to get first phisical working test unit in Poland. After Christmas I will try to update schedule for EMIC PowerModule development, and maybe upload some diagrams and other stuff.

I would hope people are not rushing to place orders here...

And I of course hope opposite.

I hope you can appreciate pre-orders are frowned upon by this community, and you are going to come under intense scrutiny without providing proof of product existence and performance.

Yes. I understand and appreciate this. It's actually giving me personally even more energy to complete project in given deadline and within all specs.

At the same time, however, do not agree on the language and the way some of comments.

Best wishes!
Michał Krawczyszyn.





So, you know the drill and opted to stick the drill up our ass. Genius!

To be clear, in two detailed posts and one website you've yet to give one iota of proof of what you (and it ONLY looks like it's just YOU) claim to be the case (no pun intended) is indeed in the rendered case powered by not one, but two PSU you're able to procure on the cheap (but all the other components will be top-notch).

By any chance did you team up with the venerable Josh Zipkin and Alex Sovu? If so, then you're legit as they come and I'll retract my sentiment. Until then, this is a ...

SCAM


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on December 26, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
Gleb, I will reverse my opinion if they'll simply send me the very first one miner for evaluation.  :D But sure I will no pay them for it, maybe just the miner cost, but no more.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on December 26, 2014, 04:57:22 PM
PLEASE GUYS!

Let this thread die.....  ;D

Is it not dead yet?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
I still cant believe it says on the first page of their website: "BUY FROM A TRUSTED SUPPLIER".

Biggest crock of shit scam I've seen in a long time.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 04:59:56 PM
PLEASE GUYS!

Let this thread die.....  ;D

Is it not dead yet?

Agreed.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: clownius on December 26, 2014, 05:06:38 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?


heh...I should check their site (too lazy) but pretty sure the credit card option is not in place yet (you think?)


edit: addtitional ...

Just looked at their site...gee guess what your options are for PAYMENT (cut and paste below)

Direct Bank Transfer


LOL :)      (I mean really? Is it that easy to get $$$$ out of people here? They are NOT even making a legit effort on this fantasy!)

They now need to buy some sigs to complete the show lol

Searing you can display it.  Thats about the last rites for a scam here isnt it?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 26, 2014, 05:17:09 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?


heh...I should check their site (too lazy) but pretty sure the credit card option is not in place yet (you think?)


edit: addtitional ...

Just looked at their site...gee guess what your options are for PAYMENT (cut and paste below)

Direct Bank Transfer


LOL :)      (I mean really? Is it that easy to get $$$$ out of people here? They are NOT even making a legit effort on this fantasy!)

They now need to buy some sigs to complete the show lol

Searing you can display it.  Thats about the last rites for a scam here isnt it?


could be true...no probs with GAW miners sig up to this point...but prob will dump it if they want me to display paycoin in 4 days i'll know if paycoin is also a scam

again no problems with advertising taglines for cloud mining or gambling sites (to each his own) but if paycoin tanks as it looks like well the tagline is toast
because paycoin will have crossed my ethical line

as to these guys ...they just don't know how to run a good scam at all....

now if GAW has gone completely dark with paycoin where do i give my 0.10 btc this month? probably this forum bitcointalk they have to have an address
for donations

so it goes we will see with these guys soon and in GAW's case and my tagline by the end of this next week it seems how that drama plays out



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: s1lverbox on December 26, 2014, 05:23:34 PM
Phone number provided on website is MOBILE PHONE, so no landline.

Address of registered business is different than address of deliveries.

Email address of owner is on free webmail provided by ONET and by looking at his email i will say he is birth date is 1991. So 23 years old scam artist who also doing ASICS in spare time

Start date for this company and registration : 2014-12-01

No info about what type of business will be provided, but there is info that main business will be: Sale of goods through online shops and through internet.(47.91.Z   Sprzedaż detaliczna prowadzona przez domy sprzedaży wysyłkowej lub Internet)

I would wait and see.

But one thing what i can say is : NO PRE-ORDERS

Enough of bullshit.



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Supercrypt on December 26, 2014, 05:24:53 PM
are you accepting escrow for this?
put the money in escrow till we receive and test the miner


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Are there any plans for using escrow?.. I guess no, but I should ask.

I would say 100% yes, as in he's almost finish building the escrow site, providing the link in 5...4...3...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 05:55:36 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?

Dude, you're not going to believe this, but you left off what's stated in their video: Full refunds until the day the miner is shipped, and 100% money back guarantee within 30 days with no questions asked. I will blow everybody here if I made that up, but seriously, it's there for all to see and hear and it's in English.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 05:57:11 PM

Disagree.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 26, 2014, 06:06:47 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?

Dude, you're not going to believe this, but you left off what's stated in their video: Full refunds until the day the miner is shipped, and 100% money back guarantee within 30 days with no questions asked. I will blow everybody here if I made that up, but seriously, it's there for all to see and hear and it's in English.

wow... you are correct. I did fail to mention that wonderful part. So I can get a full refund on the entire design and production of a brand new miner the day before it ships??? wow... that is truly a great offer................................

o__o     <-- hit this thread with a stale face lol


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:12:18 PM
http://s27.postimg.org/i9oyrt83n/image.jpg

http://s2.postimg.org/87tynmzs9/ggai.jpg

The top image was gleaned from http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/product.ai

The second image is a screenshot off my laptop when I opened the file in Adobe. Note the date of creation. Maybe a clue as to who's behind this ruse.

Here are the power supply specs: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/shemat.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/shemat.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?

Dude, you're not going to believe this, but you left off what's stated in their video: Full refunds until the day the miner is shipped, and 100% money back guarantee within 30 days with no questions asked. I will blow everybody here if I made that up, but seriously, it's there for all to see and hear and it's in English.

wow... you are correct. I did fail to mention that wonderful part. So I can get a full refund on the entire design and production of a brand new miner the day before it ships??? wow... that is truly a great offer................................

o__o     <-- hit this thread with a stale face lol

And, you get to mine for free for 30 days, then order another one from this reputable company shipped to another address and mine for another 30 days.

Better yet, order 6 either using the same address or all different addresses and return them prior to 30 days and get a full refund from this reputable company.

You know what? I love this Pollack! I wonder if he's in search of a new Lugan friend - ME!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:29:43 PM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

No Emic or Michał Krawczyszyn or MICHAEL KRAWCZYSZYN on https://bitcoinfoundation.org/members/

Emic's office just became available on December 19, 2014.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/

Search the images on Google yourself if you don't believe me.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office3.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office4.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office_c.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: vortexz on December 26, 2014, 06:38:42 PM
this company will be a GAME CHANGER !



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 26, 2014, 06:39:24 PM
getting better and better I see


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 26, 2014, 06:43:47 PM
a start up company... that will produce one of the most efficient chips... tape out... test.... and implement full boards.... engineer a case with internal PSU's... deliver by the end of Feb.... for one of the best prices on the market...

Already accepting pre-orders.... offering discount codes for bulk purchases.... but also stated they do not have a working unit yet so a trusted member cannot review.

Anything sound too good to be true here?

Dude, you're not going to believe this, but you left off what's stated in their video: Full refunds until the day the miner is shipped, and 100% money back guarantee within 30 days with no questions asked. I will blow everybody here if I made that up, but seriously, it's there for all to see and hear and it's in English.

again you go to buy the stuff it only gives you the option of direct pay....no credit cards are listed even thou shows such on the front page
also no btc listed

and they are pre-ordered don't ya know on that page as well



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 06:45:51 PM
I humbling apologize to Michal for doubting him thanks to ...

http://emic.com.pl/en/privacy-policy/

Quote
Contact emic.com.pl contact you using the specified e-mail, but only in special situations, we use the number you specified telefonu.W If you have any questions or concerns about the privacy and security policies of your personal information, we encourage you to contact us by our 123456789 phone number or e-mail prywatnosc@emic.com.pl.W If you wish to update or remove your personal information, if you can not or do not want to do this yourself, please contact us at our phone number 123456789 or e-mail privacy @ emic.com.pl.W these matters can also correspond with us at: emic.com.pl Michael Kwawczyszyn Street Puławska 34 05-500 Piaseczno house 7 Version 1.0 (Warsaw, 01 Grudnia2014 year)

I called the number and the sweetest Polish woman proved to me that Michal is the real deal. She is even going to cook me up some Kugelis and ship them to me free of charge due to us bonding so well during the phone convo.

http://www.grit.com/~/media/Images/GRT/Editorial/Articles/Magazine%20Articles/2010/11-01/Kugelis%20A%20Potato%20Pudding%20Recipe/GRT-ND10-rb-potatopudding-dunn.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dr Charles on December 26, 2014, 06:47:54 PM
lol Michael and his shody attempt to scam the btc community is getting slayed right now


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 07:04:32 PM
http://s1.postimg.org/5yja4zjzj/order.jpg

I followed the instructions to a T and my Order #403 was met with a 404.  :'(

http://s2.postimg.org/viuok6qp5/404.jpg

On second thought, what the fuck am I thinking?

I wish to sell my EMIC Order #403 for half price. I need the money now to pay for the tumor operation for my dog.

Proof of dog with tumor:

http://greeceexposed.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/643998_386409571431512_1649036798_n.jpg

lol Michael and his shody attempt to scam the btc community is getting slayed right now

You think?  ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 07:23:55 PM
Here's something else. Of all the time, energy, and money Michal has put into this venerable venture of his, the ONLY place on the entire internet he's opt to hawk his wares is on this forum in this sole thread.

What a fuckin' genius this Michal Krawczyszyn or Michael Krawczyszyn turns out to me. Then, he comes here to attack the trolls paying no attention to any genuine concerns addressed, albeit all my concerns were genuine. At least, just as genuine as his scam venture is.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 10:19:12 PM
Hello again.

I truly understand yours concerns. Again new company comes to bitcointalk and try to sell their pre-order. However I would like to defend myself a little bit.

At the beginning a will speak about general things.

I need to clarify something. We are NEW company, which means that we are NEW. This means also that our company was founded short time ago. The same with the domain. Just rethorical question: should we register our company and domain one year ago, and wait till now with announcment, just to avoid arguments like: "domain registered month ago..." or simillar? This would makes no sense.

As we are new we did not delivered yet any miners. It's obvious.

We do not have miner ready at the moment. That's why all images at the momen are CGI. This is obvious also. We are not hiding this. BTW. Please go to our product page and look at the title od main image. It's called EMIC PowerModule visualisation, and another is called drawing!!!

In conclusion I would like to ask couple more questions:

How it is possible, that "scammer" registered company?
How is it possible, that "scammer" opened bank accounts?
How is it possible, that "scammer" give all his personal details to interenet?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" has got real adress, and phone (in new year we will update phone with landline one).
How is it possible, that "scammer" rent office from really big company, gives it data and contact? This is very easy information to confirm or not.
How is it possible, that "scammer" allow to visit their office and meet the staff?

And coming in very near future (we are working on it):

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed and allow to pay using payment gateway? This is very difficult to get if you are not genuine.
How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Now I just wonder what else do you need to not call someone scammer.

Ok. Lets move on.

Funny how you ignored my message. The first reply in this thread. Let me quote it so you can see it again.
EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.

I'll make it longer for you. You are not the first to release a 20nm ASIC. KnC was. Months ago. Your claim is a flat out lie. Something so simple and important as that being a lie tells me you are full of lots more lies.

Sorry if I missed some messages. Please understand that we are just human, wa can make mistakes. This is not any proof, that we are scam or not.

When did you complete tape out?

In near future I will update this tread with detailed shedule for this project. I will include detailed specs, photos and any other resources, so keep your finger on the pulse.

Whats up with this case? Isn't reality anti-aliased?

Perhaps this wasn't taken with an actual camera? LOL.

This is visualistaion, as the image title on our website says.

Here is some details about this company
https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

and there a few interested things
1. - company was registered at 1 dec 2014, 24 days is a lot time to develop chips and make prototype of miner  ::)
2. - he is self-employment , but looking for some help to answer emails and phones  ;D - LINK (http://www.pracuj.pl/praca/pracownik-dzialu-obslugi-klienta-miedzynarodowego-piaseczno,oferta,3692585)
3. - email michalkrawczyszyn91@onet.pl sugest that he was born at 1991 so he is 23 yers old now, he must be some f***ing genius if he alone develop own chips in 24days  ;D


1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company. And of course I was looking for employess. BTW. "pracuj.pl", which you linked has a very strict anti fraud, and anti phishing for personal information policy. So if you are not genuine company, they will not public your announcment. For me this argument works for us, not against us.

3. This is my personal email, but I need to explain something to you. If you want to register company in Poland you need to provide lot of informations and document about you including email adress to contact. I wanted to put all domain and serves costs into my company costs (which helps to decrease taxes i need to pay - it's obvious higher costs lower taxes). But to get an invoice for company I needed to have a comapny. So first I need to register company to give hosting company all company data. After registration i can create business emial like ofice@emic.com.pl. So during company registration i put my private email. I should update it later, but I forgot. Hm is this a crime? Or is this any proof that EMIC is scam? I dont think so. You all are looking for any reason even if this means nothing.

Quote
DOMAIN NAME: emic.com.pl
registrant type: organization
nameservers: dns200.anycast.me.
                     ns200.anycast.me.
created: 2014.12.02 19:06:33
last modified: 2014.12.23 01:12:10
renewal date: 2015.12.02 19:06:33

Domain created 22 days ago and only registered for 1 year. https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl (https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl)

I like this quote on the website: 'Buy from a trusted supplier' ::).

Yes, but why this is a problem? I register all my domains for 1 year. Is it something weird?

BTW. If you will dig into who.is, you will find, that to see all registrant data you should go to

Quote
Registrant data available at http://dns.pl/cgi-bin/en_whois.pl

And the data is:

Quote
Search result
 
DOMAIN NAME:

emic.com.pl

registrant type:

organization

nameservers:

dns200.anycast.me.

ns200.anycast.me.

created:

2014.12.02 19:06:33

last modified:

2014.12.23 01:12:10

renewal date:

2015.12.02 19:06:33

no option

dnssec:

Signed

DS:

41011 8 1 369C378168513A5B5A8FAEC7A262D8BDACCAE13A

REGISTRANT:

company:

European Mining Innovation Center

street:

ul. Puławska 34 bud. 27

city:

05-500 Piaseczno

location:

PL

phone:

+48.605699428

last modified:

2014.12.02

REGISTRAR:

OVH SAS

2 Rue Kellermann

59100 Roubaix

Francja/France

+48.717500200

pomoc@ovh.pl

I will reverse my position if scammer pays me $10K USD via BTC and sends me the very first two miners for evaluation, then I will sell them to pocket even more monies. If he doesn't comply, then this is a ...

Do not feel obligated to send you anything. If you do not want to buy, just do not buy.

are you accepting escrow for this?
put the money in escrow till we receive and test the miner

It could be an option, but if we would be able to handle this, we had no need to sell our miners in pre-order basis.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

No Emic or Michał Krawczyszyn or MICHAEL KRAWCZYSZYN on https://bitcoinfoundation.org/members/

Please, do not mislead people. Nowhere on our website we do not inform, that we are memeber of bitcoin foundation. You are a liar, not me.


Yes. These are pictures, that company who rent us office provide.

This company is called DACPOL Sp z o.o. http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna (http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna)

Is it so hard to call them and ask are we really there? This is so easy to confirm. Oh I forgot, propably this company is not trusted as any other. I guess even goolge woldn't be enough in this case.

again you go to buy the stuff it only gives you the option of direct pay....no credit cards are listed even thou shows such on the front page
also no btc listed

and they are pre-ordered don't ya know on that page as well

Did you ever read my first post here? If not I will quote here:

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

About bitcoin payment: You can pay in bitcoins, but you need to switch currency to bitcoin first!

I humbling apologize to Michal for doubting him thanks to ...

http://emic.com.pl/en/privacy-policy/

Quote
Contact emic.com.pl contact you using the specified e-mail, but only in special situations, we use the number you specified telefonu.W If you have any questions or concerns about the privacy and security policies of your personal information, we encourage you to contact us by our 123456789 phone number or e-mail prywatnosc@emic.com.pl.W If you wish to update or remove your personal information, if you can not or do not want to do this yourself, please contact us at our phone number 123456789 or e-mail privacy @ emic.com.pl.W these matters can also correspond with us at: emic.com.pl Michael Kwawczyszyn Street Puławska 34 05-500 Piaseczno house 7 Version 1.0 (Warsaw, 01 Grudnia2014 year)

I called the number and the sweetest Polish woman proved to me that Michal is the real deal. She is even going to cook me up some Kugelis and ship them to me free of charge due to us bonding so well during the phone convo.

http://www.grit.com/~/media/Images/GRT/Editorial/Articles/Magazine%20Articles/2010/11-01/Kugelis%20A%20Potato%20Pudding%20Recipe/GRT-ND10-rb-potatopudding-dunn.jpg


Sorry for that. I will check this and we will correct all mistakes there. Thanks for information!

http://s1.postimg.org/5yja4zjzj/order.jpg

I followed the instructions to a T and my Order #403 was met with a 404.  :'(

http://s2.postimg.org/viuok6qp5/404.jpg

On second thought, what the fuck am I thinking?

I wish to sell my EMIC Order #403 for half price. I need the money now to pay for the tumor operation for my dog.

Proof of dog with tumor:

http://greeceexposed.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/643998_386409571431512_1649036798_n.jpg

lol Michael and his shody attempt to scam the btc community is getting slayed right now

You think?  ;D

Sorry for that. I will check this and we will try to repair this as soon as possible. At the moment I cant recreate this issue.


Last words:

I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 10:22:37 PM
Why on your website does it state "buy from a trusted supplier" if you haven't supplied anything yet?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: s1lverbox on December 26, 2014, 10:27:37 PM
Quote
Last words:

I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!

You better start like this as this will be more and more difficult for you. People here are not stupid. your website done in minutes showing lack of any hard work. If so called miners will be like your website i rather use ABACUS to mine bitcoins!

If you so sure about your position here, provide info about chip. most asics manufacturers showing off chips to boost sales. did you actually made chip or using third party?
You want deliver miner in feb 2015 but no tech specs visible.

Sorry to say but another amateur who trying so hard to get some BTC and in spare time building asics in basement.

Why your status in registration office dosnt show manufacturing? Just sales?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 26, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!

We can't wait. Until then you are a scammer.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 10:35:56 PM
We need some sort of proof this is real because this all looks like a scam to me and many others.

Running away wont help, if this is legit stay and answer valid questions. If you disappear we can come to our own conclusions.....

Honestly what did you expect? Bitcoins to come flooding in for pre-orders because you have quite a nice website?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 10:43:02 PM
Why on your website does it state "buy from a trusted supplier" if you haven't supplied anything yet?

I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

Why your status in registration office dosnt show manufacturing? Just sales?

Because we are not manufacturer. This is taken by external company.

Sorry to say but another amateur who trying so hard to get some BTC and in spare time building asics in basement.

Nope. This company works in integrated circuits and electronics business from 1980. They really know what are they doing.

We need some sort of proof this is real because this all looks like a scam to me and many others.

Running away wont help, if this is legit stay and answer valid questions. If you disappear we can come to our own conclusions.....

Honestly what did you expect? Bitcoins to come flooding in for pre-orders because you have quite a nice website?

Actually as i said before already, I expected this. But to be honest, thinking about this is one thing and face this in reality is another. I am more annoyed because of this, than I expected I will be.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 10:46:31 PM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. A trusted supplier is someone like bitmaintech or spondoolies.

This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 10:49:57 PM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 10:57:29 PM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.

Ok do you have any real proof you are working on a miner?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 11:00:27 PM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.

Ok do you have any real proof you are working on a miner?

Yes, I can easly prove it, I will provide lot of data right ater new year.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 26, 2014, 11:00:36 PM
Ok do you have any real proof you are working on a miner?

He doesn't. Otherwise he would have posted anything instead of posting long and useless posts.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 26, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
Ok do you have any real proof you are working on a miner?

He doesn't. Otherwise he would have posted anything instead of posting long and useless posts.

I agree.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: s1lverbox on December 26, 2014, 11:03:44 PM
Bumping this thread is pointless.

Lets just forget about this muppet and follow bitmain or spoond.

For now anyone can create website, anyone can register scamy company. more to come:

ANY SCAMMER CAN EVEN SHOW ON BITCOIN RELATED EVENT.----> buterfly shit labs proved that.

So until proved otherwise , you are scammer and not high level. Mintpal was top flight scammer, buterfly shit was top flight scammer, damn.
But you just another muppet who think that by registering business and throwing few drawings will make fortune for the price of fishing rod.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 26, 2014, 11:08:12 PM
Yes, I can easly prove it, I will provide lot of data right ater new year.

Too late. You haven't taped-out and you aren't in wafer production. You have no idea what the final specs will be, and there's no chance you'll ship in February. Selling something you cannot produce is what we call a scam.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:34:06 PM
Hello again.

I truly understand yours concerns. Again new company comes to bitcointalk and try to sell their pre-order. However I would like to defend myself a little bit.

At the beginning a will speak about general things.

I need to clarify something. We are NEW company, which means that we are NEW. This means also that our company was founded short time ago. The same with the domain. Just rethorical question: should we register our company and domain one year ago, and wait till now with announcment, just to avoid arguments like: "domain registered month ago..." or simillar? This would makes no sense.

As we are new we did not delivered yet any miners. It's obvious.

We do not have miner ready at the moment. That's why all images at the momen are CGI. This is obvious also. We are not hiding this. BTW. Please go to our product page and look at the title od main image. It's called EMIC PowerModule visualisation, and another is called drawing!!!

In conclusion I would like to ask couple more questions:

How it is possible, that "scammer" registered company?
How is it possible, that "scammer" opened bank accounts?
How is it possible, that "scammer" give all his personal details to interenet?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" has got real adress, and phone (in new year we will update phone with landline one).
How is it possible, that "scammer" rent office from really big company, gives it data and contact? This is very easy information to confirm or not.
How is it possible, that "scammer" allow to visit their office and meet the staff?

And coming in very near future (we are working on it):

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed and allow to pay using payment gateway? This is very difficult to get if you are not genuine.
How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Now I just wonder what else do you need to not call someone scammer.

Ok. Lets move on.

Funny how you ignored my message. The first reply in this thread. Let me quote it so you can see it again.
EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

No you aren't.

I'll make it longer for you. You are not the first to release a 20nm ASIC. KnC was. Months ago. Your claim is a flat out lie. Something so simple and important as that being a lie tells me you are full of lots more lies.

Sorry if I missed some messages. Please understand that we are just human, wa can make mistakes. This is not any proof, that we are scam or not.

When did you complete tape out?

In near future I will update this tread with detailed shedule for this project. I will include detailed specs, photos and any other resources, so keep your finger on the pulse.

Whats up with this case? Isn't reality anti-aliased?

Perhaps this wasn't taken with an actual camera? LOL.

This is visualistaion, as the image title on our website says.

Here is some details about this company
https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

and there a few interested things
1. - company was registered at 1 dec 2014, 24 days is a lot time to develop chips and make prototype of miner  ::)
2. - he is self-employment , but looking for some help to answer emails and phones  ;D - LINK (http://www.pracuj.pl/praca/pracownik-dzialu-obslugi-klienta-miedzynarodowego-piaseczno,oferta,3692585)
3. - email michalkrawczyszyn91@onet.pl sugest that he was born at 1991 so he is 23 yers old now, he must be some f***ing genius if he alone develop own chips in 24days  ;D


1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company. And of course I was looking for employess. BTW. "pracuj.pl", which you linked has a very strict anti fraud, and anti phishing for personal information policy. So if you are not genuine company, they will not public your announcment. For me this argument works for us, not against us.

3. This is my personal email, but I need to explain something to you. If you want to register company in Poland you need to provide lot of informations and document about you including email adress to contact. I wanted to put all domain and serves costs into my company costs (which helps to decrease taxes i need to pay - it's obvious higher costs lower taxes). But to get an invoice for company I needed to have a comapny. So first I need to register company to give hosting company all company data. After registration i can create business emial like ofice@emic.com.pl. So during company registration i put my private email. I should update it later, but I forgot. Hm is this a crime? Or is this any proof that EMIC is scam? I dont think so. You all are looking for any reason even if this means nothing.

Quote
DOMAIN NAME: emic.com.pl
registrant type: organization
nameservers: dns200.anycast.me.
                     ns200.anycast.me.
created: 2014.12.02 19:06:33
last modified: 2014.12.23 01:12:10
renewal date: 2015.12.02 19:06:33

Domain created 22 days ago and only registered for 1 year. https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl (https://who.is/whois/https://emic.com.pl)

I like this quote on the website: 'Buy from a trusted supplier' ::).

Yes, but why this is a problem? I register all my domains for 1 year. Is it something weird?

BTW. If you will dig into who.is, you will find, that to see all registrant data you should go to

Quote
Registrant data available at http://dns.pl/cgi-bin/en_whois.pl

And the data is:

Quote
Search result
 
DOMAIN NAME:

emic.com.pl

registrant type:

organization

nameservers:

dns200.anycast.me.

ns200.anycast.me.

created:

2014.12.02 19:06:33

last modified:

2014.12.23 01:12:10

renewal date:

2015.12.02 19:06:33

no option

dnssec:

Signed

DS:

41011 8 1 369C378168513A5B5A8FAEC7A262D8BDACCAE13A

REGISTRANT:

company:

European Mining Innovation Center

street:

ul. Puławska 34 bud. 27

city:

05-500 Piaseczno

location:

PL

phone:

+48.605699428

last modified:

2014.12.02

REGISTRAR:

OVH SAS

2 Rue Kellermann

59100 Roubaix

Francja/France

+48.717500200

pomoc@ovh.pl

I will reverse my position if scammer pays me $10K USD via BTC and sends me the very first two miners for evaluation, then I will sell them to pocket even more monies. If he doesn't comply, then this is a ...

Do not feel obligated to send you anything. If you do not want to buy, just do not buy.

are you accepting escrow for this?
put the money in escrow till we receive and test the miner

It could be an option, but if we would be able to handle this, we had no need to sell our miners in pre-order basis.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

No Emic or Michał Krawczyszyn or MICHAEL KRAWCZYSZYN on https://bitcoinfoundation.org/members/

Please, do not mislead people. Nowhere on our website we do not inform, that we are memeber of bitcoin foundation. You are a liar, not me.


Yes. These are pictures, that company who rent us office provide.

This company is called DACPOL Sp z o.o. http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna (http://www.dacpol.eu/pl/strona-glowna)

Is it so hard to call them and ask are we really there? This is so easy to confirm. Oh I forgot, propably this company is not trusted as any other. I guess even goolge woldn't be enough in this case.

again you go to buy the stuff it only gives you the option of direct pay....no credit cards are listed even thou shows such on the front page
also no btc listed

and they are pre-ordered don't ya know on that page as well

Did you ever read my first post here? If not I will quote here:

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

About bitcoin payment: You can pay in bitcoins, but you need to switch currency to bitcoin first!

I humbling apologize to Michal for doubting him thanks to ...

http://emic.com.pl/en/privacy-policy/

Quote
Contact emic.com.pl contact you using the specified e-mail, but only in special situations, we use the number you specified telefonu.W If you have any questions or concerns about the privacy and security policies of your personal information, we encourage you to contact us by our 123456789 phone number or e-mail prywatnosc@emic.com.pl.W If you wish to update or remove your personal information, if you can not or do not want to do this yourself, please contact us at our phone number 123456789 or e-mail privacy @ emic.com.pl.W these matters can also correspond with us at: emic.com.pl Michael Kwawczyszyn Street Puławska 34 05-500 Piaseczno house 7 Version 1.0 (Warsaw, 01 Grudnia2014 year)

I called the number and the sweetest Polish woman proved to me that Michal is the real deal. She is even going to cook me up some Kugelis and ship them to me free of charge due to us bonding so well during the phone convo.

http://www.grit.com/~/media/Images/GRT/Editorial/Articles/Magazine%20Articles/2010/11-01/Kugelis%20A%20Potato%20Pudding%20Recipe/GRT-ND10-rb-potatopudding-dunn.jpg


Sorry for that. I will check this and we will correct all mistakes there. Thanks for information!

http://s1.postimg.org/5yja4zjzj/order.jpg

I followed the instructions to a T and my Order #403 was met with a 404.  :'(

http://s2.postimg.org/viuok6qp5/404.jpg

On second thought, what the fuck am I thinking?

I wish to sell my EMIC Order #403 for half price. I need the money now to pay for the tumor operation for my dog.

Proof of dog with tumor:

http://greeceexposed.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/643998_386409571431512_1649036798_n.jpg

lol Michael and his shody attempt to scam the btc community is getting slayed right now

You think?  ;D

Sorry for that. I will check this and we will try to repair this as soon as possible. At the moment I cant recreate this issue.


Last words:

I am getting tired of replying to all those malcontents. I will back here with some more valuable input. Untill then I will not reply here. See you soon!


I see we're wearing him down. Michal's getting tired. Of course, we never tire of having entities come here to steal bitcoins.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

Correct, no where you stated that you're a member of The Bitcoin Foundation, but you sure went outta your way to included the image: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

So, prior to registering your business, getting an address, and getting a bank account under the guise of avoiding to pay high taxes in Poland, you were able to spend millions to some FAB to produce your 20nm chip, correct?

Damn, that makes you Nadczłowiek.

Whether you believe it or not, you've actually destroyed your brand in under 6 posts, for you've had every opportunity to get in front of this issue but opted to take the exact route every single motherfuckin' scammer that came before you has taken.

My 12 year nephew can also come on here and claim that he registered with Coinbase and BitPay and there's not a single way for anybody to disprove that, for said entities would not even comment upon the issue if they were asked unless served legal papers.

Josh Zipkin once used a sockpuppet to claim that he went to AMT's bank and the lady there told him that Josh did indeed have a bank account at Eagle Bank. I called the bank and a lady told me that they can not, as in CAN NOT even tell me if he had an account or not. Then Josh Zipkin came to the forum after I presented said convo and stated that the bank lady called him to inform him that somebody was inquiring about his good name. Guess what? Millions of dollars later, Josh Zipkin in back in Bulgaria fucking everybody in the process. Ergo, there is no way that nary a one of us can confirm what you're stating, for the third party would be party to a lawsuit.

So, you're not coming back here to defend any longer while we destroy your brand that much more. That makes you the stupiest fuckin' idiot in Poland. You either have more money than brains, or you're not pulling off this scam correctly. We're all witnessing the latter.

Machal in 5...4...3...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:35:37 PM
Why on your website does it state "buy from a trusted supplier" if you haven't supplied anything yet?

Dude, easy on the tough questions, for this Polish dude is a tad slow.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:38:54 PM
Why on your website does it state "buy from a trusted supplier" if you haven't supplied anything yet?

I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

Why your status in registration office dosnt show manufacturing? Just sales?

Because we are not manufacturer. This is taken by external company.

Sorry to say but another amateur who trying so hard to get some BTC and in spare time building asics in basement.

Nope. This company works in integrated circuits and electronics business from 1980. They really know what are they doing.

We need some sort of proof this is real because this all looks like a scam to me and many others.

Running away wont help, if this is legit stay and answer valid questions. If you disappear we can come to our own conclusions.....

Honestly what did you expect? Bitcoins to come flooding in for pre-orders because you have quite a nice website?

Actually as i said before already, I expected this. But to be honest, thinking about this is one thing and face this in reality is another. I am more annoyed because of this, than I expected I will be.

Jesus motherfuckin' Chirst! I quit reading after the first sentence.

Seriously Dude, if you were so motherfuckin' transparent, then done of the concerns would've be presented, ergo you're not one iota transparent.

Can't wait to read the rest of this post.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:44:55 PM
Why on your website does it state "buy from a trusted supplier" if you haven't supplied anything yet?

I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

Why your status in registration office dosnt show manufacturing? Just sales?

Because we are not manufacturer. This is taken by external company.

Sorry to say but another amateur who trying so hard to get some BTC and in spare time building asics in basement.

Nope. This company works in integrated circuits and electronics business from 1980. They really know what are they doing.

We need some sort of proof this is real because this all looks like a scam to me and many others.

Running away wont help, if this is legit stay and answer valid questions. If you disappear we can come to our own conclusions.....

Honestly what did you expect? Bitcoins to come flooding in for pre-orders because you have quite a nice website?

Actually as i said before already, I expected this. But to be honest, thinking about this is one thing and face this in reality is another. I am more annoyed because of this, than I expected I will be.

That said, I sent Alex Sovu of Black Arrow a Christmas present to the theoretically jail he is in for scamming millions. BTW, Alex and Joshua Zipkin provided more info than you, and the latter was in the states, but neither are in jail, theoretically or otherwise.

Keep trying, though you're losing, but the forth quarter we're in is still young, albeit we see you have to punt again, thus giving up the ball.

BTW, welcome back after you promised to leave us for a spell. Any other promises you're planning on breaking in the future?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:46:19 PM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.

Dude, you still don't get it! It's not the website! The website could be 100% perfect. It's you!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 26, 2014, 11:50:25 PM
I see we're wearing him down. Michal's getting tired. Of course, we never tire of having entities come here to steal bitcoins.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

Correct, no where you stated that you're a member of The Bitcoin Foundation, but you sure went outta your way to included the image: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

We also have images like:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/rf.jpg

or:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/certum.png

which we may use in future if we want or nor. BUT WE ARE NOT USING IT AT THE MOMENT!!!

This is the difference.

So, prior to registering your business, getting an address, and getting a bank account under the guise of avoiding to pay high taxes in Poland, you were able to spend millions to some FAB to produce your 20nm chip, correct?

Maybe you like spend money with no sense, just because you spending a lot anyway, but not me.

I know that makes you happy, so I'll ignore you. Probably you would not have the money to buy anything.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 26, 2014, 11:59:53 PM
I see we're wearing him down. Michal's getting tired. Of course, we never tire of having entities come here to steal bitcoins.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

Correct, no where you stated that you're a member of The Bitcoin Foundation, but you sure went outta your way to included the image: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

We also have images like:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/rf.jpg

or:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/certum.png

which we may use in future if we want or nor. BUT WE ARE NOT USING IT AT THE MOMENT!!!

This is the difference.

So, prior to registering your business, getting an address, and getting a bank account under the guise of avoiding to pay high taxes in Poland, you were able to spend millions to some FAB to produce your 20nm chip, correct?

Maybe you like spend money with no sense, just because you spending a lot anyway, but not me.

I know that makes you happy, so I'll ignore you. Probably you would not have the money to buy anything.

Dude, whether I have the money or not to purchase, I'm one of the dudes trying to stop others from ordering from you because this smells like a scam.

BTW, this page isn't secure: http://emic.com.pl/en/order/

Then again, maybe you're not ready to allocate moneys to do such, saving said act for later. Meanwhile, a many people are providing info to you via an unsecured channel. Then again, they don't far, for they're met with the crying baby page instructing any that reach it to contact you via an email so that you can conduct commerce outside of BitPay or CoinBase or the bank you don't use. Genius!

Question: Why would you ignore the very person that's doin' his best to fuck you up? Shouldn't you be doing everything possible to put me at bay?

Spoon Tech was able to do such in only three posts. Note that I'm no longer over there. BTW, they didn't have to pay me a satoshi to shut up either, just like I don't desire nor want a satpshi from your scammy ass.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/payment-bank.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/payment-bank.jpg

At least you now have more than one bank that you trade at in case customers have the red-ass toward your main branch.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:11:39 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen7.png

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:14:19 AM
I'll leave it some other to try and figure out what page is under that screenshot you took a few months ago: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen3.png

http://s9.postimg.org/86vytzof3/screen3.png


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:16:35 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/transferuj_a.jpg

Let me guess: Once you're rich off this venture, you're planning on purchasing all the above. Smart move. That way your tax liability will be lessened.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on December 27, 2014, 12:18:16 AM

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.

Link seems dead, no? Your linking of the link looks good, so maybe rehost it if you've still got access.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:20:38 AM
https://www.digicert.com/ppc/ssl-certificate-features.htm?cid=70160000000OIqdAAG&gclid=Cj0KEQiAq_SkBRC3jLvJ1IPt2eIBEiQASUZy1xhBVbsQJbYxCXJ53GsKojnyH9SeLio91wdS9KNWkMkaAo-b8P8HAQ

http://s23.postimg.org/jfmsani6j/ssl.jpg

Dude, you've fucked up! Why pay for SSL Cirts when you can simply shoot and crop any image you want. Oh, wait. Nevermind!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 27, 2014, 12:22:03 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen7.png

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.

Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN. I dont know will you understand this, but designer need to put some data while designing. SOME EXAMPLE DATA. Are you really so stupid?

BTW. Just for you, step by step tutorial how to pay using bank payment gateway, if you dont like bank logos.

1. Change currency to PLN.
2. Place an order.
3. Choose Transferuj.pl payment method.

DONE! you will be redirected to pament processing page. Satisfited?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:23:48 AM

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.

Link seems dead, no? Your linking of the link looks good, so maybe rehost it if you've still got access.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen7.png

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/  ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 12:24:06 AM
Here are some valid questions I hope you are willing to answer EMIC:

-Are you following a pre-order model? NVM web page states preorder.....as you might not be aware there is a nasty history of pre-orders going bad.
-What chips are you sourcing?
-How did you get the price of the miner to less than 700 with the price of PSUs alone are so high?
-What can you show that will get the community to trust you?

Bottom line you need to show everyone here you are legit. As you can see there are MANY who have been burned by various scams. There is a community of people here who aggressively try to find out scammers. And they have no qualms about exposing them and dragging them through the mud to show off their scams.

Get the units in the hands of community members. Market your hardware properly if you want the success you expect. That means engaging not distancing yourself from the community. Gleb has exposed a TON of scams. If you are confident you are not one of them then prove it. The reality of the matter is the burden of proof is really on you. In this forum talk is cheap. We need to see it in action, we want trusted members to have it in their hands and vouch for it. Then at that point will people consider buying from you. And even then there will be skeptism due to your lack of a track record. BUT if you get out the hardware when you say you will, then you will have proven yourself for starters.

We gotta ask all the questions and you gotta give us more to go on than just your word. Remember you are just some dude on the internet as far as we are concerned. We the prospective customers are legion. I would LIKE to believe it is possible you are legit. But you gotta show us more than what you got. The pre-order model in the post BFL world is just not gonna cut it, sell it when you got it. Right now to us that looks like you are putting the financial risk on your customers for R&D and if it fails, we are on the hook with no refund (AMT,Hashfast,bitmine.ch, etc). Other companies have made similar claims and splashes. Most have failed. Follow the successful guys for their method. SHOW us the hardware. 

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Carl Sagan"


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:32:07 AM

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen7.png

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.

Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN. I dont know will you understand this, but designer need to put some data while designing. SOME EXAMPLE DATA. Are you really so stupid?

BTW. Just for you, step by step tutorial how to pay using bank payment gateway, if you dont like bank logos.

1. Change currency to PLN.
2. Place an order.
3. Choose Transferuj.pl payment method.

DONE! you will be redirected to pament processing page. Satisfited?

http://www.howdoesshe.com/wp-content/uploads/DSCN1160-copy.jpg

Dude, once again it's not me you need to satisfy. It's the customers who have the bucks ready to spend it on your site, but you're doing every motherfuckin' thing wrong possible to make sure they keep their moneys in their pocket.

Question: Which one of us is really stupid? You or I? In less than 10 posts, all the fingers are pointing at you, and you still don't have one motherfuckin' clue as to what you're doing wrong in spite of us already telling you a myriad of times as to how to make this scam successfully.

Did you bump your head as a kid? For that's the only thing that'll explain what we're witnessing.

BTW, tell me again how it's just you and you're looking for help, but now you're stating that others have been involved for a while now.

Caution: There's another banana peeling coming up. Watch your step! Don't know why I'm telling you this, for you've yet to heed anybody's advise here.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 27, 2014, 12:35:46 AM
Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN.

And that's the problem. You're at the design phase. You cannot ship a working miner in 2 months from now that comes anywhere close to the specifications you are claiming.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 12:41:19 AM
Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN.

And that's the problem. You're at the design phase. You cannot ship a working miner in 2 months from now that comes anywhere close to the specifications you are claiming.

This looks like deja vu all over again. AMT pulled the same crap at around the same time frame.

Again being nice here, but EMIC you REALLY gotta pull out all stops and show us. OR take a step back and ask yourself if your expectations are realistic. Considering you APPEAR to be making an original design, I dont see how 2 months is realistic when even giant chipmakers like Intel and AMD take months to come out with new chips and refresh their lines after a year almost in many cases. The so-called malcontents have been through this rodeo a number of times, and in 90 percent of the cases the so-called manufacturer turns out to be full of it. What makes you different? Again valid question.

If you are working on your own designs, who are you using for manufacturing?
Do you have ANY units available for testing? (at this point there should be at least a prototype as shipping would be close to end of January). QA testing at this point would have been something to be doing.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: johnyj on December 27, 2014, 12:42:14 AM
Some bitcoiners with thousands of bitcoins might throw a couple of coins to gamble on every slightest possibility of a miner out of thin air, not me  ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:45:53 AM
Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN.

And that's the problem. You're at the design phase. You cannot ship a working miner in 2 months from now that comes anywhere close to the specifications you are claiming.

Yes he can! Michal is...

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/super-hero-flying-9511372.jpg
Nadczłowiek


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 12:49:30 AM
I will give them points for one thing.....if they indeed are accepting credit cards, that is a step in the right direction....provided you have some refund policies in place that can be enforced for consumer protection should the preorder process go bad.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:54:06 AM
[img=http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/]http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/[/img]

Hey, Michal! You're doing a lot of work for nothing, i.e., deleting your images, for I'm already archived them and have them saved on my computer. A fact that I've presented to you twice already, but you now feel it prudent to delete, hence more evidence that what you're trying to accomplish is a scam.

It must be sad for you to have not only suffered a major bump on the head when you were a lad, but also being Polish.

We came here to make it as easy as possible for you to perpetuate your scam, but you just keep on fuckin' up not wanting to succeed.Seriously, look at all the moneys you're leavin' on the table simply by not heeding our advise.

Surely, Alex Sovu and Joshua Zipkin aren't smarter than you, are they? It sure the hell looks like it.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
I will give them points for one thing.....if they indeed are accepting credit cards, that is a step in the right direction....provided you have some refund policies in place that can be enforced for consumer protection should the preorder process go bad.

Not tell after the first of the year after he amasses a many bitcoin sales first. He would have accepted them earlier, but his team's been too busy producing renderings.

I love how he went from it just being him to now having a team in place since September. Genius!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 01:02:19 AM
I would LIKE to give them the benefit of the doubt. But until they can produce more than assurances (again talk is cheap) they really do have nothing and should not be shocked at the community response so far. The credit card payment option gives us the power to claim fraud if they have no product in Feb. Honestly I will wait until the product is actually in production and shipping. Not taking a risk on this again even if it is for 600 bucks.

I will give them points for one thing.....if they indeed are accepting credit cards, that is a step in the right direction....provided you have some refund policies in place that can be enforced for consumer protection should the preorder process go bad.

Not tell after the first of the year after he amasses a many bitcoin sales first. He would have accepted them earlier, but his team's been too busy producing renderings.

I love how he went from it just being him to now having a team in place since September. Genius!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 01:14:14 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office.jpg

These are not even the same building, yet this is what Michal claims his office to be located.

Office pics from his website deleted in 5...4...3... (I'm battin' a 1000 here).


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 01:18:06 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/screen7.png

What happened to the 25 EMIC Miner V1 miners that somebody tried to order on September 21, 2014? Must have been special otherwise you wouldn't have taken the sceenshot back then.

Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN. I dont know will you understand this, but designer need to put some data while designing. SOME EXAMPLE DATA. Are you really so stupid?

BTW. Just for you, step by step tutorial how to pay using bank payment gateway, if you dont like bank logos.

1. Change currency to PLN.
2. Place an order.
3. Choose Transferuj.pl payment method.

DONE! you will be redirected to pament processing page. Satisfited?

I don't think you should be mentioning MOTHS in your posts. Too close to BUTTERFIES.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 01:22:22 AM
I see we're wearing him down. Michal's getting tired. Of course, we never tire of having entities come here to steal bitcoins.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

Correct, no where you stated that you're a member of The Bitcoin Foundation, but you sure went outta your way to included the image: http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/bf.jpg

We also have images like:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/rf.jpg

or:

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/certum.png

which we may use in future if we want or nor. BUT WE ARE NOT USING IT AT THE MOMENT!!!

This is the difference.

So, prior to registering your business, getting an address, and getting a bank account under the guise of avoiding to pay high taxes in Poland, you were able to spend millions to some FAB to produce your 20nm chip, correct?

Maybe you like spend money with no sense, just because you spending a lot anyway, but not me.

I know that makes you happy, so I'll ignore you. Probably you would not have the money to buy anything.

The point I was making, but you missed it, was how the fuck were you able to spend millions to the FAB to produce your 20nm chip without yet having a bank account, registered a company name, etc.?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 01:25:15 AM
Damn, Gleb called it :(

This is a red flag when you got pics of your office not matching....this REALLY is AMT "Joshua Zipkin" all over again...except this time people are a bit wiser to these tactics. As gleb posts the previous iteration of the page gets saved. Seems like this is not looking too good. If they are seriously legit this "teaser" announcement was just bad form. Best thing is to post up the videos of the miners mining (show the full setup with CGminer going) How it mines and even some more transparency (like who you are) we as customers (if this is real I will buy and I have from reputable companies). But you gotta really show us you are the real deal....not just "on the level" as some others have claimed.

http://i.imgur.com/wCRcp9C.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 01:25:26 AM
https://www.endomondo.com/resources/gfx/picture/7833413/big.jpg

Michał Krawczyszyn

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10888436_323059931233547_7075465263470601570_n.jpg?oh=d2bdd2c45f88dac0ec6623f12caac153&oe=55001075

Changed his Facebook profile yesterday.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 01:29:44 AM
Damn, Gleb called it :(

This is a red flag when you got pics of your office not matching....this REALLY is AMT "Joshua Zipkin" all over again...except this time people are a bit wiser to these tactics. As gleb posts the previous iteration of the page gets saved. Seems like this is not looking too good. If they are seriously legit this "teaser" announcement was just bad form. Best thing is to post up the videos of the miners mining (show the full setup with CGminer going) How it mines and even some more transparency (like who you are) we as customers (if this is real I will buy and I have from reputable companies). But you gotta really show us you are the real deal....not just "on the level" as some others have claimed.

http://i.imgur.com/wCRcp9C.jpg

The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 27, 2014, 01:42:35 AM
The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.

I'll give you 10 BTC to drive to Poland and check them out!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 27, 2014, 01:47:38 AM
The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.

I'll give you 10 BTC to drive to Poland and check them out!

I don't think that covers the cost of gas from US, IL to Poland.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: emic.com.pl on December 27, 2014, 01:49:53 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office.jpg

These are not even the same building, yet this is what Michal claims his office to be located.

Office pics from his website deleted in 5...4...3... (I'm battin' a 1000 here).

First is the building in the front, where DACPOL company has its office. Second building is where are we located exactly (building 27, as in our address). Building is in the back so it is easier to find if you are looking for the front ona (26).

Graphical explanation for all malcontents.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office_e.jpg


Nice try, but that is not me.

The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.

Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 27, 2014, 01:53:07 AM
Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

Please show us some real good proof that you are working on a chip mask instead of defending yourself!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on December 27, 2014, 01:54:47 AM
Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

Here's a really simple question for you:

How long does it take from the time you tape-out to the time you get wafers?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: grn on December 27, 2014, 01:56:24 AM


Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

The onus is yours to prove you are not scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 01:59:27 AM
Upon further scrutiny, the pictures are accurate. However the removal of said pictures from the website minutes after gleb mentions it does not help your case. Fact is you are really only answering him, I have asked some legit questions as well. Others have and those have not been answered.

Calling people for scrutinizing malcontents does not help. In case you have not noticed it has not helped ANY of those who have come before. The ONLY ones in business are the ones who had a business to show. They proved themselves. If you got something, show it off. That is the point of this post. If you still have only renderings, then you are nowhere near that February release date. IF you are close to it, then it would be a good time to show off your miners. This is what people really are on here for. Not renders. We have had our fill of renders. BFL did this (and because they were among the first got away with it) AMT, Hashfast, and so many others. There are only a few REAL players and they do the SAME things to get customers. Put sample units in the hands of trusted members of this community. REAL hardware. No games. AND even at that point, you gotta prove you can ship on time...that is yet another challenge other mining companies face. So you got one hurdle ahead of you....

Marketing.

After that follow through. What is your plan for that? So far you are just battling it out with Gleb. You won't convince him with words. Show us what you really have. Rendrings are nice. Hell I could whip up some renderings too and try to sell it.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 02:00:16 AM
Syke and Roadstress pose VERY valid questions ANY mining manufacturer should be able to easily answer.

Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

Here's a really simple question for you:

How long does it take from the time you tape-out to the time you get wafers?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 02:12:21 AM
http://www.goldenline.pl/jaroslaw-szczepanik/wypowiedzi/

Quote
I'm looking for a partner programmer proficient in QT programming, familiar with Bitcoin code and who knows how to write a simple portals in Jommli or similar CMSI.
The aim of the project is to create your own kryptowaluty based on Bitcoin - the introduction of a range of functionality required in the application and some changes in the protocol.
As a condition I demand to show their own krytpowaluty acting based on BitCoinie not generated from coingain.io, or similar generators.
For my part I assure financing of the project.
It's best to partner was from Warsaw or the surrounding area.
If interested, please CV and the coordinates of its own Cryptocurrency with a description of how to configure the minerals.
I demand full commitment to the project even if it would not have gone quite ambitious as other IT topics. TO MAJOR PROJECT WITH MAJOR BUDGET - PLEASE DO NOT WRITE IF YOU DO NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. Regards Jarek

http://s17.postimg.org/s74c0hk5r/jarek.jpg

Hey, Michal. Do you know Jarosław Szczepanik?

http://s28.postimg.org/uk1fmce3x/jaroslaw.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YSFFZUCPaUc/UdsMkyN_rjI/AAAAAAAAAC4/QYkqG4HqMCw/s554-no/DSCF0049.JPG


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Swimmer63 on December 27, 2014, 02:23:32 AM
Following for the entertainment value.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on December 27, 2014, 02:31:34 AM
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/ (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/)

Hey, Michal! You're doing a lot of work for nothing, i.e., deleting your images, for I'm already archived them and have them saved on my computer. A fact that I've presented to you twice already, but you now feel it prudent to delete, hence more evidence that what you're trying to accomplish is a scam.

It must be sad for you to have not only suffered a major bump on the head when you were a lad, but also being Polish.

We came here to make it as easy as possible for you to perpetuate your scam, but you just keep on fuckin' up not wanting to succeed.Seriously, look at all the moneys you're leavin' on the table simply by not heeding our advise.

Surely, Alex Sovu and Joshua Zipkin aren't smarter than you, are they? It sure the hell looks like it.

Fixed your link


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on December 27, 2014, 02:32:52 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office.jpg

These are not even the same building, yet this is what Michal claims his office to be located.

Office pics from his website deleted in 5...4...3... (I'm battin' a 1000 here).

To be fair that does very much look like the same building, just the back of it. The numbers would match up as well as they're sequential. The L shape of the building is at the rear corner which is obscured in the first picture.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RHA on December 27, 2014, 03:09:06 AM
Google Maps view: https://www.google.com/maps/@52.08455,21.02813,126m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.08455,21.02813,126m/data=!3m1!1e3)
(from 2002, but fits the photos very well)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 04:48:43 AM
The building in the background of the picture is indeed the second one shown. It is pretty easy to spot. I do think that is lefit at least. Still main point missing. Miner demo would be best to settle all this. Or some commitment to get miners out to community for review.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Xian01 on December 27, 2014, 05:00:39 AM
I hope you can appreciate pre-orders are frowned upon by this community, and you are going to come under intense scrutiny without providing proof of product existence and performance.
Yes. I understand and appreciate this. It's actually giving me personally even more energy to complete project in given deadline and within all specs.
At the same time, however, do not agree on the language and the way some of comments.

Ia I said before we are working on this project for almost 6 moths. This is DESIGN. I dont know will you understand this, but designer need to put some data while designing. SOME EXAMPLE DATA. Are you really so stupid?

Graphical explanation for all malcontents.

Forgive me for being so forward, but given that I have already explained you are likely to come under intense scrutiny for a pre-order scheme in today's marketplace, and your acerbic replies to pointed queries (... that type of abrasive attitude with potential customers generally does not lead to profitable ventures launched from these forums ...) I would suggest you go radio silent and not make any further posts until you have a working product and something that trusted members of these forums can verify.

I would look to Spondoolies or Bitmain as setting the standard for launching new products on these forums.

Anything else is folly in todays marketplace.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on December 27, 2014, 05:12:31 AM
I will give them points for one thing.....if they indeed are accepting credit cards, that is a step in the right direction....provided you have some refund policies in place that can be enforced for consumer protection should the preorder process go bad.

when you order and go to the link (when it works) the only way to pay is bank transfer...which is the ONLY option

heh what a bunch of fools ....sheesh.........if you want to scam you have to at least step it up to BFL standards of scammy ness (no pride in their work)

Following for the entertainment value.

Ditto on above..this thread is a hoot!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 05:46:35 AM
I will give them points for one thing.....if they indeed are accepting credit cards, that is a step in the right direction....provided you have some refund policies in place that can be enforced for consumer protection should the preorder process go bad.

when you order and go to the link (when it works) the only way to pay is bank transfer...which is the ONLY option

heh what a bunch of fools ....sheesh.........if you want to scam you have to at least step it up to BFL standards of scammy ness (no pride in their work)

Following for the entertainment value.

Ditto on above..this thread is a hoot!


Quote
How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?

How is it possible, that "scammer" after going through both strict verification processes opts to not include the acceptance of bitcoins on his Bitcoin-themed site that's been in development since September, yet comes here to proclaim that we're off-base with our assessment(s), for he's operating with 100% transparency, the likes we've yet to witness?

http://s9.postimg.org/uwbxzvhpb/thirdly.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/pl/certyfikat-ssl/

Thirdly, what obscure language does a Pole speak that he's forced to penned his website in pretty good English, then opts to use Google Translate to convert the entire site to Polish, all the while knowing full well that he'll be catering to a mainly English-speaking potential (but not any more) customer base? That, in and of itself, takes the cake.

Speakin' of cake...

http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/185/f/0/the_cake_is_a_lie____by_gungoat-d55xdk0.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: goxed on December 27, 2014, 05:53:27 AM
I you want a Legendaries review (like the Spondoolies review party), and want to send a review unit drop me a PM. I am in the EU.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dabs on December 27, 2014, 08:15:35 AM
Yes, enough talk. Send me a unit to review before Feb 2015, and I'll be sure to let everyone know your unit exists. PM me for my address. Philippines. And please use UPS or FedEx, not DHL or "normal" post.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: aclass on December 27, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
For 10 BTC I can fly to Poland and check them out, but being there or not will not prove the existence of the product. 

The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.

I'll give you 10 BTC to drive to Poland and check them out!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mavericklm on December 27, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
Repeat after me: SCAM
And let this motherfucker thread die!
If he will have some machine in the spring, he will let us know for sure.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Tupsu on December 27, 2014, 11:42:43 AM

Real Michał Krawczyszyn

http://www.perearstike.ee/avatar/Micha%C5%82%20Krawczyszyn.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: clownius on December 27, 2014, 02:40:52 PM
How it is possible, that "scammer" registered company?

Usually one pays a liarlawyer and the will register anything with little verification if any.  I would need to look into if and where its registered as different countries have different rules.  Some are horribly lax on any verification.
As this looks so scamlike i cant even be bothered digging for yet more verification.

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How is it possible, that "scammer" opened bank accounts?

Once the company exists it can open bank accounts

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How is it possible, that "scammer" give all his personal details to interenet?

If they are real you saved us the need to dox you when it all goes wrong thanks

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How is it possible, that "scammer" passed strict verification on coinbase, which include ID document verification?

Seems most scammers can and have in the past

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How is it possible, that "scammer" has got real adress, and phone (in new year we will update phone with landline one).

Offices are not terribly hard to rent and burn phones are cheap...

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How is it possible, that "scammer" rent office from really big company, gives it data and contact? This is very easy information to confirm or not.

If you pay up front they are not terribly picky

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How is it possible, that "scammer" allow to visit their office and meet the staff?

You could visit BFLs offices too...

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And coming in very near future (we are working on it):

How is it possible, that "scammer" passed Bitpay verification?

Another case of every scammer seems to

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How is it possible, that "scammer" passed and allow to pay using payment gateway? This is very difficult to get if you are not genuine.

So far the only option was bank deposit.  yet to be proven.  But certain payment gateways let plenty of HYIPs use them so meh means nothing

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How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Easiest of the lot.  Just get yourself a domain and set up a mail server and you can get and SSL cert.  Not special at all.  we have some remarkably tech savey people in these parts.  Trying to pull the wool over our eyes on whats required for an SSL cert is plain silly.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on December 27, 2014, 06:12:12 PM
Yes, enough talk. Send me a unit to review before Feb 2015, and I'll be sure to let everyone know your unit exists. PM me for my address. Philippines. And please use UPS or FedEx, not DHL or "normal" post.
I'm in Russia, so I am closer to him.  8)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 06:14:43 PM
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How is it possible, that "scammer" can get SSL certificate on his domain?

Easiest of the lot.  Just get yourself a domain and set up a mail server and you can get and SSL cert.  Not special at all.  we have some remarkably tech savey people in these parts.  Trying to pull the wool over our eyes on whats required for an SSL cert is plain silly.

Getting one's first driver's license in Poland is harder than all the hurdles combined that Michal outlined for proving EMIC is the real deal.

Polish Police: Let me see your driver's license, sir.
Michal: Will do so after the first of the year, but meanwhile you know I have one for:

If I didn't have a driver's licence, I wouldn't be in a car.
If I didn't have a driver's licence, I wouldn't know that this is a steering wheel.
If I didn't have a driver's licence, I wouldn't know how to turn on the radio.
If I didn't have a driver's licence, I wouldn't know how to put petro in the gas tank thingy.
And, the number one reason: If I didn't have a driver's licence, I sure the hell wouldn't know how to drive.

Polish Police: In re. you last bullet point. I've been following you for the last two blocks on my bicycle wondering how many more blocks you'll be traveling on this here sidewalk.

Michal: Dude, that's easy to explain. I was texting my Troll Rage to them monumental assholes over on BitcoinTalk. For proof, here's my last text them, first penned in English, then translated to Polish, then back...

Polish Police: Wait! You do this for a living?

Michal: Almost, but I've hit a brick wall once that Phinnaeus Gage dude and his sockpuppets evaded my thread showcasing my venerable bogus company EMIC.

Polish Police: Lucky for you I'm the one who stopped you, for I believe I can help. I once saw this SNL clip on YouTube where the music producer keep asking the band to add more cowbell to the song.

Michal: So?

Polish Police: Well, I suggest adding more copy, crop and paste SSL certificates to your site's home page.

Michal: Genius! Finally, I'll get pass them fuckers, then I'll be rich, rich, rich.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: aclass on December 27, 2014, 06:32:03 PM
Enough with this S***. Until there is hard evidence of a device, there is no need to up this thread.

Having an office somewhere does not mean anything.

PLEASE STOP BUMPING THIS THREAD


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 27, 2014, 06:33:28 PM
Enough with this shit too. I am going to stop bumping this thread by posting into it too by posting how I wont post into it instead of not posting at all........../s


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Niggle on December 27, 2014, 10:28:56 PM
Im surprised this thread doesnt just get locked and we all move on.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 27, 2014, 10:32:29 PM
It's been quite entertaining but I still think its a massive scam. Far too many warning signs....

I agree it should be locked now :P. I don't know what gleb will do with his time though ;D.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on December 27, 2014, 11:10:57 PM
Im surprised this thread doesnt just get locked and we all move on.

Forum mods/admins aren't the police. They will not lock potential scams because people need to learn to think for themselves when pre-ordering. Especially after so many scams.

THIS IS A SCAM! STAY AWAY FROM IT AND FROM THE RETARD POLISH CITIZEN!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 27, 2014, 11:48:59 PM
It's been quite entertaining but I still think its a massive scam. Far too many warning signs....

I agree it should be locked now :P. I don't know what gleb will do with his time though ;D.

Don't worry 'bout me, for I'm sure I'll find something worthy to do.

http://static.mmzstatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/biquette.jpg
"...icisi posiądą ziemię."

<why does the Polish word for earth - ziemię - resemble zombie?>


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on December 28, 2014, 12:01:41 AM
It's been quite entertaining but I still think its a massive scam. Far too many warning signs....

I agree it should be locked now :P. I don't know what gleb will do with his time though ;D.

Don't worry 'bout me, for I'm sure I'll find something worthy to do.

http://static.mmzstatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/biquette.jpg
"...icisi posiądą ziemię."

<why does the Polish word for earth - ziemię - resemble zombie?>

Ha ha  :D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 28, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
Even though Michal has well-demonstrated that he's well-versed as to the going-ons and how this forum and its users operate, I guess an example is still in order as to why Jell-O does what it does.

The following is the second post of an iconic, still ongoing thread:

More detailed chip specs please?

Next, is its most recent post one and half years later:

Ok. Now will you let this thread die since the company isn't selling anything?
It's not like this thread, the main one discussing this scam, has to die only because you want to due to a spammer. You can always unsubscribe if you can't stand his tactics.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against this thread. My beef is with the HF shill reviving this thread for nothing. If you or anyone else would revive this thread with some useful information I wouldn't complain, but when iceshilltard is reviving this thread with useless information that pisses me off. But even so, what would be more to discuss about this company that has a bigger percent than BFL of its customers pissed? The company was sold for 400k. What's more to talk about it?

In case you missed it Michal Krawczyszyn, HashFast demonstrated transparency to the nth degree, then still fucked everybody over, and they didn't have a single pseudo-SSL symbol on their site at the onset, whereas you have at least three non-functioning ones on most every page, even voicing how that in and of itself makes EMIC a viable entity. Now, if you had Skropenis on your team, then maybe, just maybe you would've had a shot at stardom, but not now. Ergo, every ounce of energy and funding you've put into this clever scheme of yours was all for not.

I say that's one helluva Christmas present you gave yourself and everybody else that may currently be part of EMIC.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on December 28, 2014, 01:03:46 AM
Hey, HF still made a heck of a good chip. It's just too bad they only made about ten of them and forgot to tell everyone that they were months behind schedule until the day they slipped the deadline. Who knows, maybe this guy's got some really good stuff in the works and will keep insisting on a February ship date right up until the end of May.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 28, 2014, 01:11:08 AM
Hey, HF still made a heck of a good chip. It's just too bad they only made about ten of them and forgot to tell everyone that they were months behind schedule until the day they slipped the deadline. Who knows, maybe this guy's got some really good stuff in the works and will keep insisting on a February ship date right up until the end of May.

But first, the user name lodołamacz has to registered.  ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on December 28, 2014, 01:22:06 AM
I don't have time to read all this, sounds like a great deal and the OP looks like a nice guy, I'm buying 100000 units right now. I'll be 51%-ing bitcoin by February, that'll teach all you haters and trolls.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 28, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
I don't have time to read all this, sounds like a great deal and the OP looks like a nice guy, I'm buying 100000 units right now. I'll be 51%-ing bitcoin by February, that'll teach all you haters and trolls.

"We interrupt this thread to bring you late breaking news..."


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mindtrip on December 28, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
I don't think anyone here is going to beleive you to purchase anything from you until you
1.) Supply a unit to a trusted member for testing and review
2.) Post actual pictures and performance stats of the unit validating its existence and performance claims

Sorry but to many companies have tried this before you and with no track record ever in this community your pretty much doomed


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 28, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
I don't think anyone here is going to beleive you to purchase anything from you until you
1.) Supply a unit to a trusted member for testing and review
2.) Post actual pictures and performance stats of the unit validating its existence and performance claims

Sorry but to many companies have tried this before you and with no track record ever in this community your pretty much doomed

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/07-1n014-putin2-300x3001.jpg?w=300
"Vlad, don't you think it's sad that EMIC is kaputski?"


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Swimmer63 on December 28, 2014, 08:03:29 PM
No proof = no credibility.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 28, 2014, 09:37:30 PM
I wonder if this is Joshua Zipkin part deux? He did state (chat link pdf in my sig) that he would sell under alternate aliases. ALot of little things said in this thread....minus the fact it's not self-moderated. That would be the only thing here that makes me question that lol.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on December 28, 2014, 10:19:27 PM
I wonder if this is Joshua Zipkin part deux? He did state (chat link pdf in my sig) that he would sell under alternate aliases. ALot of little things said in this thread....minus the fact it's not self-moderated. That would be the only thing here that makes me question that lol.

Maybe it's a test. There is lots of good advice in this thread for the next attempt.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: peonminer on December 28, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/264/200/acb.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 28, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
I wonder if this is Joshua Zipkin part deux? He did state (chat link pdf in my sig) that he would sell under alternate aliases. ALot of little things said in this thread....minus the fact it's not self-moderated. That would be the only thing here that makes me question that lol.

Maybe it's a test. There is lots of good advice in this thread for the next attempt.

I, among others, have gone outta our way to give excellent advice as to how to successfully pull off the ultimate scam, but these fuckers continue to fuck things up in spite of our best efforts. Ergo, the problem is not them, but us, for we may need to start charging for our combined efforts so that they'll have something invested, then should heed our advice.

Seriously, how fackin' hard is it to mesh together a few convincing components inside a case and take a real pic of the device? Then, show a video of it hashing away, off course contrived. Add a few convincing stats, and you're golden. Then sell it as IN STOCK with no-preorder with a realistic warranty.

Offer ~500 at one price point, with the next ~15% higher. The 500 number count decreasing after each sale or at some contrived realistic rate.

I say my plan is a lot easier to implement and should be more successfully than what I've witness with EMIC.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on December 28, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
That's certainly how I'd do it. It's not hard to find some convincing-looking PCBs to strap big CPU coolers on, drop them in a somewhat generic 3U/4U rack case (but make sure airflow directions are logical) with a hefty PSU and cable it to an internal Pi for connectivity and control. Make sure you understand the mathematics behind cgminer stats before faking your screenshots and video so ckolivas doesn't call you out for having inconsistent data, point the appropriate hashrate at a posted Eligius address to look like a real test unit is flying solid and let it run for a few weeks. If possible, post a picture of a pallet of your (probably empty) generic 3U/4U cases, along with 3 or 4 on a slick bench somewhere all cabled up with lights flashing and the one "display model" open with a few innards visible. Make sure there's some miscellaneous lab equipment on the bench (solder station, scope, decent power supply or two and a scattering of random ICs and resistors strewn in the back) so it looks more legit.

Why do these guys want to do everything with photoshop? So lazy.

Two weeks and a thousand bucks in materials, you'll make it back inside of day one.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 29, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
That's certainly how I'd do it. It's not hard to find some convincing-looking PCBs to strap big CPU coolers on, drop them in a somewhat generic 3U/4U rack case (but make sure airflow directions are logical) with a hefty PSU and cable it to an internal Pi for connectivity and control. Make sure you understand the mathematics behind cgminer stats before faking your screenshots and video so ckolivas doesn't call you out for having inconsistent data, point the appropriate hashrate at a posted Eligius address to look like a real test unit is flying solid and let it run for a few weeks. If possible, post a picture of a pallet of your (probably empty) generic 3U/4U cases, along with 3 or 4 on a slick bench somewhere all cabled up with lights flashing and the one "display model" open with a few innards visible. Make sure there's some miscellaneous lab equipment on the bench (solder station, scope, decent power supply or two and a scattering of random ICs and resistors strewn in the back) so it looks more legit.

Why do these guys want to do everything with photoshop? So lazy.

Two weeks and a thousand bucks in materials, you'll make it back inside of day one.

Dude, you even got me convinced with the above scenario. Please provide a bitcoin address so that I can remit...

<Somewhere in Poland, there's this Michal dude scratchin' his head and askin' himself, "What the fuck are these two talkin' 'bout? Nobody'll fall for that. Besides, there's no cowbells SSL cert thingies mentioned.">


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on December 29, 2014, 12:19:54 AM
Sounds like you two have given this some thought  ;D

Don't forget to buy some hero forum accounts with +trust and a domain registered a reasonable time ago.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 29, 2014, 02:53:43 AM
The issue here is that scammers are generally lazy people. They got big minds but little effort to show. It is an inherent aspect of sociopathy. They are driven by impulsive thinking and little else. While they may think and do to some degree, they won't pull it off fully. BFL had the perfect storm of people to do this with. They were a bunch that got more done to perpetuate their scam. That and were early to the game. If BFL had happened now, we would have already outed them and that would have been it.

These guys if they are legit should have known and would have done the research needed to market themselves. Instead they are just talking out of their ass right now until they produce real evidence of a product. Since Michal claims he took to the time to anticipate this (obvious 20 seconds is NOT enough time) reaction, he needs to post a working miner, show cgminer stats (not just web UI) and a pool performance or testpool performance stat. Something that shows they got something. And the pre-order....a joke. In hand only. I want to be able to order and get the hardware ships within 24-48 hours. 


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: peonminer on December 29, 2014, 03:05:35 AM
I just wish I could send them all my money all at once :'(


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 29, 2014, 06:12:56 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://img35.olx.pl/images_tablicapl/99946201_1_1000x700_biuro-do-wynajecia-piaseczno-50m2-piaseczno_rev001.jpg

http://img34.olx.pl/images_tablicapl/99946201_1_644x461_biuro-do-wynajecia-piaseczno-50m2-piaseczno_rev001.jpg

http://olx.pl/oferta/biuro-do-wynajecia-piaseczno-50m2-CID3-ID3R1UR.html#714a5ddc15

http://s7.postimg.org/wgjxvbzu3/piaseczno.jpg

Well, that explains why the first image (yours) wasn't index by the search engines because you cropped it. Also, note the date as to when this particular unit that Michal has came available: December 10, 2014.

Yet, Michal was able to use this as the address for EMIC when he registered his company on December 1, 2014: https://prod.ceidg.gov.pl/CEIDG/CEIDG.Public.UI/SearchDetails.aspx?Id=49af0425-7594-4110-9db8-50c13f8a6a5a

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Contact details

Address of the principal place of business   ul. Puławska 34 lok. 27, 05-500 Piaseczno, piaseczyński district, province. MAZOWIECKIE
Addresses additional places of business   -
Address for service   Michael Krawczyszyn, General Grochowski 7 lok. 82, 05-500 Piaseczno, piaseczyński district, province. MAZOWIECKIE
Businessman holds citizenship of the Member   Poland

Additional data

Date of commencement of business activity   2014-12-01


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on December 31, 2014, 04:45:09 AM
http://s12.postimg.org/meakryrq5/400.jpg

Watch the video and learn how to earn up to 400% ROI per module. The more modules you buy, the greater the return.

He even asks the question as to why the remaining 8 million bitcoins can't be yours.

In the same video, when you order from EMIC you're guaranteed 100% money back from the day you ordered it to 30 days after you receive your miner.

And, to think Michal considers up idiot for questioning his venture.

One more thing. Where is PowerModuleTM registered?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kingscrown on December 31, 2014, 05:26:30 AM
since im in PL i will check this guys out and let you know if this is for real or not.

sent them message already.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Meech on December 31, 2014, 06:32:40 AM
Seems logical to have your "super reliable asic chip" displayed and possibly a video of it hashing.
Why post now without anything to show.  Pre orders from new, unknown companies here will
always be discounted.  Please send someone a miner if your legit.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Felipeo on December 31, 2014, 02:55:12 PM
Ok, lets cut the crap with this troll feeding "It's SCAM" posts.

I'm also from Poland, and since now my company FPITM are one and only Polish producer and seller of ASIC mining hardware here (Not mention Tytus BIB - because they produce only for own closed mining operation).
I'm also a Chairman of Polish Bitcoin Association so i know most of Polish Bitcoin community members personally, especially from mining site (rest of them from internet).

I don't know Michał Krawczyszyn, even from internet (not mention about personally).
I and any of my colleague from Polish community don't know EMIC company.
I can't find any information about EMIC on Polish Bitcoin Forum or Michał him self on FB group "Bitcoin Polska".

(Where You want to allocate Your product, when You don't advertise Your product on mother market?!?!)


Beside this Michał or his company strange "hiding behavior" there many unknown facts about hardware:

- ASICs: what chips will be used and why You don't want to share this information (or know) 2 month before mentioned delivery?
- Price: 600 USD? Where? How?

I really know what mean to produce hardware in "Polish condition", only financial side of operation are very less possible to be acquire, with this kind of final price of product for Feb 2015 according to market.
I don't even mention about technological site.

And preorders? Michał how You can even expect some preorders with lack of basic information about technology, that You give to future customers?!?!

All that is the best way to show community You are don't know Bitcoin hardware market at all.
So how You can expect community will believe Your ASIC and hardware production knowledge, and place preorder?


I live near (Warsaw), may I visit you and see a miner in action? Also you may consider to put one unit into Bitcoin Embassy in Warsaw (Krucza street), they will make an review and then you may gain some legitimacy...

In Bitcoin Embassy Warsaw Ltd. are no one who can proper review any hardware...

Dex I know You, and You know Me ;) I will contact EMIC by phone after new year holiday and talk about review.
We can go on meeting with Michał together (we also have some our stuff to talk about ;) )

I think it will be fastest, proper pre-review for community :)

(pre-review because real and pro review for hardware is "dogie class" one ;) )




Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Dexter770221 on December 31, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
...
Dex I know You, and You know Me ;) I will contact EMIC by phone after new year holiday and talk about review.
We can go on meeting with Michał together (we also have some our stuff to talk about ;) )
...

Sure, why not...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: philipma1957 on December 31, 2014, 03:52:44 PM
Sounds like you two have given this some thought  ;D

Don't forget to buy some hero forum accounts with +trust and a domain registered a reasonable time ago.



Note below is a solid scam setup >  I am not going to sell any of my accounts >  BTW I have been offered money for both my ebay and my account here.


Yeah I will sell my legendary account along with my 11 year seller  ebay account  same user name(has 1200 plus perfect feedback with a history of asic sales).

 Lastly buy my 6 year old  buyer's account on ebay. Listed to my wife that kept her maiden name.

You could list  a few on  the seller's ebay account.  Have the dummy ebay account buy a piece or 2 give good reviews for the unit.

So to the highest bidder what do you think those 3 accounts are worth?

  Just a way to be fucked so be careful 


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on December 31, 2014, 04:14:15 PM
Lots of people visited BFL... HashFast... BlackArrow... Bitmine... and where did that leave investors? Given what it takes to be semi reputable here a visit to this outfit won't change much.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: opieum2 on December 31, 2014, 04:53:53 PM
Lots of people visited BFL... HashFast... BlackArrow... Bitmine... and where did that leave investors? Given what it takes to be semi reputable here a visit to this outfit won't change much.

Don't forget AMT. Same deal there.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Felipeo on December 31, 2014, 05:03:12 PM
Lots of people visited BFL...

Yes, and what they see during visit? Josh? No technology, no chips, no miners. (According to first BFL visit - Kano, if I remember correctly).
(I'm not familiar with other manufacture visit.)

We wan't meet Michał and see some technology, samples, chips, production or tap out declaration (some specific information).
I don't want to give them reputation by visit them, but give information to community and future customers that they can decide by them self.
That's all we (local community members) can do for community.

Everyone need's to achieve reputation by them self.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on January 01, 2015, 12:17:32 PM
(pre-review because real and pro review for hardware is "dogie class" one ;) )

My ego likes that this is a thing. It also appreciates scratches and bacon bits.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 01, 2015, 02:36:50 PM
M.A.T. just declared bankruptcy: http://www.wijlimburg.nl/nieuws-overzicht/bitcoinbedrijf-maastricht-bouwbedrijf-van-den-heuvel-landgraaf-en-hanssen-electro-hoensbroek-failliet/ (http://www.wijlimburg.nl/nieuws-overzicht/bitcoinbedrijf-maastricht-bouwbedrijf-van-den-heuvel-landgraaf-en-hanssen-electro-hoensbroek-failliet/)
Of course Marc Coumans must have known about and planned for this for a long time. Proving him to be the liar and thief everyone suspected him to be.
The contact of the bureau dealing with this bankruptcy case is: curator mr. C.F.M.P. Spreksel, Wilhelminasingel 63, 6221 BG Maastricht tel. 043-3432859

Happy new year!

/nam

Michal Krawczyszyn is such a marketing genius, he now has the word bankruptcy to go along with the word scam when people search for EMIC while he finds it prudent to not address concerns in a proper light.

Care to guess which entity has/had more transparency, EMIC or MAT? Speaking of MAT, I know of this reseller in Colorado that could visit EMIC's Polish facility, then report back to the community his findings so that he, too, can take money-back guarantee orders. I'm sure this dude I have in mind still has some black arrows in his quiver to shoot EMIC some orders.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on January 01, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
M.A.T. just declared bankruptcy: http://www.wijlimburg.nl/nieuws-overzicht/bitcoinbedrijf-maastricht-bouwbedrijf-van-den-heuvel-landgraaf-en-hanssen-electro-hoensbroek-failliet/ (http://www.wijlimburg.nl/nieuws-overzicht/bitcoinbedrijf-maastricht-bouwbedrijf-van-den-heuvel-landgraaf-en-hanssen-electro-hoensbroek-failliet/)
Of course Marc Coumans must have known about and planned for this for a long time. Proving him to be the liar and thief everyone suspected him to be.
The contact of the bureau dealing with this bankruptcy case is: curator mr. C.F.M.P. Spreksel, Wilhelminasingel 63, 6221 BG Maastricht tel. 043-3432859

Happy new year!

/nam

Michal Krawczyszyn is such a marketing genius, he now has the word bankruptcy to go along with the word scam when people search for EMIC while he finds it prudent to not address concerns in a proper light.

Care to guess which entity has/had more transparency, EMIC or MAT? Speaking of MAT, I know of this reseller in Colorado that could visit EMIC's Polish facility, then report back to the community his findings so that he, too, can take money-back guarantee orders. I'm sure this dude I have in mind still has some black arrows in his quiver to shoot EMIC some orders.

I don't know about Colorado (is that minersource.net?), but MAT has a shill in PA (or is it MD? whatever), goes by the name lifeforcepools here. Shilled heavily for MAT, is now "reselling" Hashra hardware (another upstanding ASIC vendor), should definitely get in touch with EMIC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383458
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485237.msg9343485#msg9343485
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864057


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Biffa on January 02, 2015, 12:02:18 AM

I don't know about Colorado (is that minersource.net?), but MAT has a shill in PA (or is it MD? whatever), goes by the name lifeforcepools here. Shilled heavily for MAT, is now "reselling" Hashra hardware (another upstanding ASIC vendor), should definitely get in touch with EMIC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383458
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=485237.msg9343485#msg9343485
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864057


lifeforcepools is also jjj0923 who was shilling hard for MAT, in fact was the starter of the MAT thread.

I feel bad for anyone who fell for the MAT scam but we were all in there at the begining warning people to stay away.

Same with this one


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 03, 2015, 01:06:53 AM
I assume you can trust us, because we are transparent about our company as much as possible.

Just theoretically, if something goes wrong and we will not provide our device nor money back, you can just go to the police and tell them: "they took my money". You have got all our data needed. In such case I'm not only need to give all the money back, but also i am going to jail.

This is not the same as: "I sent someone in Internet my money (in Bitcoins!!) and I dont know where this guy is, or how is his name, or anythig. Find him please!". This case in differerent , you know where to find us if somethig will go wrong.

But you are not a trusted supplier. This quote it to mislead visitors to your website. Show us some proof you are even working on a real bitcoin miner.

OK. I changed wording a bit. Is it now better?

P.S. I will review whole website and I will compose new content, according to all you suggestions, just to keep it less confusing and misleading.

Ok do you have any real proof you are working on a miner?

Yes, I can easly prove it, I will provide lot of data right ater new year.

Quote
Name:   emic.com.pl
Posts:   9
Activity:   9
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 23, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
Last Active:   December 26, 2014, 07:54:54 PM

My guess is that this is goin' be some awesome data.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Swimmer63 on January 03, 2015, 02:31:19 AM
Edge of my seat.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ponech on January 03, 2015, 03:02:23 AM
scammmmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 03, 2015, 07:15:27 AM
http://emic.com.pl/pl/certyfikat-ssl/

Quote
verification e-mail address for verification confirmation link that will be sent by the CA to the e-mail domain (eg .: admin@twojadomena.pl, administrator@twojadomena.pl, webmaster@twojadomena.pl, postmaster@twojadomena.pl, hostmaster@twojadomena.pl or

If one is going to incorporate the practice of copy&paste into their business model, at the very least verify that any links attached are still active, i.e., http://twojadomena.pl/. This one looks like it's been dead for a while now: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://twojadomena.pl/ (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://twojadomena.pl/). Then again, I didn't get the memo depicting that splattering pics of SSL certs on every webpage negates any dead links associated with SSL verbiage.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 03, 2015, 07:40:40 AM
http://emic.com.pl/pl/okres-swiat-bozego-narodzenia-nowego-roku/

Quote
In addition to announce that during this period our office will be closed. 01/02/2015 back to work. Of course, our system normally takes orders at this time.

And, it's now the weekend, so see you Monday on the 5th. Meanwhile, our ordering system is fully operational. Oopsie! I just remembered that I'm part Chinese, and you'll never guess what holiday is coming up next. Go ahead, take a guess. Assuming you guessed correctly, never fear, for our ordering system will be...wait for it...fully operational.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 03, 2015, 08:46:20 AM

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center





Being adventurous I decided to go check out the website. I decided to purchase one just to do it, Just to be the idiot that did it,, Its not allot of btc, and I like to gamble. So I selected one unit, put it in cart, filled out the info billing and shipping, and was asked to pay 1.8351 so in my haste and poor memory I sent 1.8542 minus a 3 cent transaction fee I actually overpaid by around 31 cents. by looking at the transaction in the blockchain they received exactly 1.8541 BTC from me. Not a big deal to me Im not concerned with the overpayment.
Here is what popped up:

http://i.imgur.com/zX521ry.png

http://i.imgur.com/Hv2jtaY.png


And then it just stops there, No email confirmation of anything, No account status, No instruction on how to proceed, when I clicked the return to site button, It simply took me back to the order page as If I have never placed an order and still shows 1 unit in my cart and is prompting me to pay.

I tried the Chat, no ones home and it appears to be partially in Polish.

I emailed every available email on the site referencing the Order ID along with transaction ID and proof of payment.
And I have PM'D The OP of this thread with this issue.

Chances are I just threw away 1.8541 BTC, Im fine with that.

But now, without a doubt I will surely get to the bottom of it.
And for anyone here thats curious, I will post updates.



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 03, 2015, 09:13:38 AM

<snip>

Being adventurous I decided to go check out the website. I decided to purchase one just to do it, Just to be the idiot that did it,, Its not allot of btc, and I like to gamble. So I selected one unit, put it in cart, filled out the info billing and shipping, and was asked to pay 1.8351 so in my haste and poor memory I sent 1.8542 minus a 3 cent transaction fee I actually overpaid by around 31 cents. by looking at the transaction in the blockchain they received exactly 1.8541 BTC from me. Not a big deal to me Im not concerned with the overpayment.
Here is what popped up:

http://i.imgur.com/zX521ry.png

http://i.imgur.com/Hv2jtaY.png


And then it just stops there, No email confirmation of anything, No account status, No instruction on how to proceed, when I clicked the return to site button, It simply took me back to the order page as If I have never placed an order and still shows 1 unit in my cart and is prompting me to pay.

I tried the Chat, no ones home and it appears to be partially in Polish.

I emailed every available email on the site referencing the Order ID along with transaction ID and proof of payment.
And I have PM'D The OP of this thread with this issue.

Chances are I just threw away 1.8541 BTC, Im fine with that.

But now, without a doubt I will surely get to the bottom of it.
And for anyone here thats curious, I will post updates.



https://blockchain.info/address/1Q9QH1s92uhv3SawC8BLAsvZaHohkEFTPy

Now we can track it.

BTW, my bogus order number was 403.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 03, 2015, 10:50:20 AM
Here is my Transaction in the Blockchain:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0009a007ec5abf740ac25886a507adb9fadc3468d38a5cce4ed5aaac61a9e1de

For Order#408


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: vortexz on January 03, 2015, 11:02:35 AM
Here is my Transaction in the Blockchain:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0009a007ec5abf740ac25886a507adb9fadc3468d38a5cce4ed5aaac61a9e1de

For Order#408

why would you pay them ?? I heard that you like to gamble, but this is not gambling, you just sent your BTC to a scammer and lost them forever.

you are the reason of those scammers being on the market, because they got their fools to send them BTC for free


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 03, 2015, 11:09:05 AM
Here is my Transaction in the Blockchain:

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0009a007ec5abf740ac25886a507adb9fadc3468d38a5cce4ed5aaac61a9e1de

For Order#408

why would you pay them ?? I heard that you like to gamble, but this is not gambling, you just sent your BTC to a scammer and lost them forever.

you are the reason of those scammers being on the market, because they got their fools to send them BTC for free

Yes you are correct sir, and I agree with you.

Guess Im a dreamer, stoned, whatever,, I certainly wont have to speculate anymore, and now neither will anyone else.



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 03, 2015, 11:14:04 AM
Your Move, EMIC.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Felipeo on January 03, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
http://emic.com.pl/pl/okres-swiat-bozego-narodzenia-nowego-roku/

Quote
In addition to announce that during this period our office will be closed. 01/02/2015 back to work. Of course, our system normally takes orders at this time.

And, it's now the weekend, so see you Monday on the 5th. Meanwhile, our ordering system is fully operational. Oopsie! I just remembered that I'm part Chinese, and you'll never guess what holiday is coming up next. Go ahead, take a guess. Assuming you guessed correctly, never fear, for our ordering system will be...wait for it...fully operational.

I was trying call on provided phone number yesterday (like I mention earlier) but "this number is currently unavailable, please try again later"...
So I will... in Monday...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ponech on January 03, 2015, 12:56:36 PM




Being adventurous I decided to go check out the website. I decided to purchase one just to do it, Just to be the idiot that did it,, Its not allot of btc, and I like to gamble. So I selected one unit, put it in cart, filled out the info billing and shipping, and was asked to pay 1.8351 so in my haste and poor memory I sent 1.8542 minus a 3 cent transaction fee I actually overpaid by around 31 cents. by looking at the transaction in the blockchain they received exactly 1.8541 BTC from me. Not a big deal to me Im not concerned with the overpayment.
Here is what popped up:

http://i.imgur.com/zX521ry.png

http://i.imgur.com/Hv2jtaY.png


And then it just stops there, No email confirmation of anything, No account status, No instruction on how to proceed, when I clicked the return to site button, It simply took me back to the order page as If I have never placed an order and still shows 1 unit in my cart and is prompting me to pay.

I tried the Chat, no ones home and it appears to be partially in Polish.

I emailed every available email on the site referencing the Order ID along with transaction ID and proof of payment.
And I have PM'D The OP of this thread with this issue.

Chances are I just threw away 1.8541 BTC, Im fine with that.

But now, without a doubt I will surely get to the bottom of it.
And for anyone here thats curious, I will post updates.



You are the dream of all scammers  ::)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Soros Shorts on January 03, 2015, 02:33:30 PM
1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company.

Serious question. In Poland how do you pay your employees or deal with vendors without first registering your company?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on January 03, 2015, 03:24:45 PM




Being adventurous I decided to go check out the website. I decided to purchase one just to do it, Just to be the idiot that did it,, Its not allot of btc, and I like to gamble. So I selected one unit, put it in cart, filled out the info billing and shipping, and was asked to pay 1.8351 so in my haste and poor memory I sent 1.8542 minus a 3 cent transaction fee I actually overpaid by around 31 cents. by looking at the transaction in the blockchain they received exactly 1.8541 BTC from me. Not a big deal to me Im not concerned with the overpayment.
Here is what popped up:

http://i.imgur.com/zX521ry.png

http://i.imgur.com/Hv2jtaY.png


And then it just stops there, No email confirmation of anything, No account status, No instruction on how to proceed, when I clicked the return to site button, It simply took me back to the order page as If I have never placed an order and still shows 1 unit in my cart and is prompting me to pay.

I tried the Chat, no ones home and it appears to be partially in Polish.

I emailed every available email on the site referencing the Order ID along with transaction ID and proof of payment.
And I have PM'D The OP of this thread with this issue.

Chances are I just threw away 1.8541 BTC, Im fine with that.

But now, without a doubt I will surely get to the bottom of it.
And for anyone here thats curious, I will post updates.



You are the dream of all scammers  ::)


sheesh ...whales at play...not a lot of money..sheesh..........(ah to be a whale and fritter BTC away just to see where it would end up ...like tossing bottles full of money on to the ocean....

sheesh I want your life (or your btc wallet)

FML



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: s1lverbox on January 03, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company.

Serious question. In Poland how do you pay your employees or deal with vendors without first registering your company?

You don't! People like to be lied from the beginning. That's what OP was thinking until he noticed that people on forum are not only polish but other nationality as well.

Whole plan collapsed and now CEO of this polish joint Venture going to work at 7.30 like used to be.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 03, 2015, 07:11:02 PM
1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company.

Serious question. In Poland how do you pay your employees or deal with vendors without first registering your company?

You don't! People like to be lied from the beginning. That's what OP was thinking until he noticed that people on forum are not only polish but other nationality as well.

Whole plan collapsed and now CEO of this polish joint Venture going to work at 7.30 like used to be.

Or, he's working on Plan B, building another website with better renderings:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EMCAg9Koz8o/TYENIp5SWzI/AAAAAAAAAmI/LiHV1RSxJY8/s1600/Compy%2BCase.jpg
OortCloudMining's Tyche MX-1/MX-2/MX-3 (SSL certs forthcoming)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Felipeo on January 03, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?

2. Yes, I'm an owner of this company, so I am self-employed. But this does not mean, that I am the only worker in company.

Serious question. In Poland how do you pay your employees or deal with vendors without first registering your company?

Pay for employers its less problem, because You can for example pay them in BTC or in cash to hand (depend on trust).
But dealing with vendors and other legal activities without company will be a problem.

1. Yes. Exactly. But the project started about 6 months ago. Why sould I register company 6 months ago and pay all fees and insurance for this time, especially if I would like to provide cheap devices? Should I not decrease costs? Does this make sense?
Doesn't make sense... For first 2 years of running self-employed, micro company in Poland You will have about -75% "promotion" on mentioned "insurance"(ZUS - social insurance that is one of the biggest rate in UE).
Other company fees according only to income, so no income during working on project = no fees.


...
That's what OP was thinking until he noticed that people on forum are not only polish but other nationality as well.
...

I try to understand what you mean by writing this ?
Can You be more specific and understandable ???


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: starsoccer9 on January 03, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
If you want to throw away money that is fine with me, just send it to me to throw it away rather then a scammer.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: baristor on January 03, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
send me a test unit to review and verify u are not a scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: 2112 on January 03, 2015, 11:01:18 PM
Serious question. In Poland how do you pay your employees or deal with vendors without first registering your company?
Poland has some sort of "promoting small business" and "limiting bureaucracy" regulations that allow people/businesses to operate for certain time (perhaps one year?) without filling all the paperwork. bitomat.pl was an earlier example that failed before it could even incur all the formal requirements.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 04, 2015, 12:37:01 AM
If you want to throw away money that is fine with me, just send it to me to throw it away rather then a scammer.

Hey come on now guys. Im a superchill dude, and  ive been fucked over before, my first lesson was Pheonix Technologies, I had just gotten interested in BTC slightly over a year ago. And totally was unprepared, After that I got screwed by Hashfast as I know many others have been as well.

In this case, I was curious, Yes it totally looked like a scam, But at least it wasn't 6K+ USD I was throwing away,, and the way I was looking at it, I didn't throw it away as now there is an honest to God transaction with this company for all to see on this thread. This guy Mike has been coming back here to defend himself and his company pretty regularly (which he may never again) but my post is straight forward business to his company, to which right now my order is unconfirmed and his website clearly has issues. He either has to respond to this, or simply disappear, In which case I will either get a refund or a product (in 1 year) or everyone will clearly see that this is certainly a SCAM. And It certainly most likely is a SCAM. I knew this going in. However now there is solid documentation of an order that I have made public.

We (bitlab) have managed to do pretty well for ourselves since we started over a year ago.

However we are not what I would call a (whale), we have simply made some good choices throughout the past year (and some bad ones),

but overall,, dogecoin paid off for us,, Cointerra got us started in BTC, Bitmain has been good for us,, and recently we kept our rigs rented during the paycoin boom,, and we sold off the paycoins we had early.

And we've done nice with XRP in the markets.

Im 36 years old, My partner is 38, we are good dudes. We have good Jobs. we are not dependant on our BTC income, Its fun.

If us throwing away 1.8541 BTC helps 1000 other people to not make the same mistake, then so be it, we are happy to be the guys to test the water in this case.

So come on guys, show us just a little love?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on January 04, 2015, 12:52:29 AM
Fair play to you, if you can afford to lose it then thanks for doing it to help out others if its not legit. Not many people would do that.

Unfortunately I think this is a scam and you've probably lost your money but you never know this might come good. I hope it does for you because you sound like a nice guy :).


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 04, 2015, 01:01:40 AM
Fair play to you, if you can afford to lose it then thanks for doing it to help out others if its not legit. Not many people would do that.

Unfortunately I think this is a scam and you've probably lost your money but you never know this might come good. I hope it does for you because you sound like a nice guy :).

Thank you I appreciate that.

Now there is a ball in play in this thread that anyone can point to, should Mike pop back in here.

Then we can see how he deals with it. I will post any and all updates.

For now, I (a paying customer) am saying its a scam.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: hedgy73 on January 04, 2015, 01:13:58 AM
Fair play to you, if you can afford to lose it then thanks for doing it to help out others if its not legit. Not many people would do that.

Unfortunately I think this is a scam and you've probably lost your money but you never know this might come good. I hope it does for you because you sound like a nice guy :).

Thank you I appreciate that.

Now there is a ball in play in this thread that anyone can point to, should Mike pop back in here.

Then we can see how he deals with it. I will post any and all updates.

For now, I (a paying customer) am saying its a scam.

Yes please keep us updated, I think that the jury is out and the scam tag has been well and truly given by the majority of people posting on this thread.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on January 04, 2015, 01:33:59 AM
For now, I (a paying customer) am saying its a scam.

Don't say that. You're making me worry that my evil plan to fork Bitcoin might not work out as intended.

http://i.snag.gy/hVj6j.jpg

Massive production capacity must be lined up to be able to take orders like that. Free shipping is a nice touch. Totally legit.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 04, 2015, 01:44:18 AM
Seeing that EMIC is already up to order number 410, I'm curious as to how many of those orders are actually paid orders where Michal is now able to afford a GAWbomile.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: iglasses on January 04, 2015, 02:22:31 AM
It is beyond my capacity of understanding how anyone on this site could send a single satoshi to these thieves.

It also REMAINS beyond my capacity of understanding how the site continues to protect these scum.



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Xian01 on January 04, 2015, 02:38:59 AM
Here is my Transaction in the Blockchain:
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0009a007ec5abf740ac25886a507adb9fadc3468d38a5cce4ed5aaac61a9e1de
For Order#408
Funds appear to have been moved and split up.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kingscrown on January 04, 2015, 03:03:48 AM
DO NOT BUY THIS ITS PURE SCAM - THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN POLAND

i told u clearly that im locally here and they never replied to me because were scared of exposure.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on January 04, 2015, 06:11:20 AM
Lots of people visited BFL...

Yes, and what they see during visit? Josh? No technology, no chips, no miners. (According to first BFL visit - Kano, if I remember correctly).
(I'm not familiar with other manufacture visit.)

We wan't meet Michał and see some technology, samples, chips, production or tap out declaration (some specific information).
I don't want to give them reputation by visit them, but give information to community and future customers that they can decide by them self.
That's all we (local community members) can do for community.

Everyone need's to achieve reputation by them self.

I wish you luck.

The point was tech won't prove anything.

More likely he is going to run away and never post again once challenged.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 04, 2015, 06:27:36 AM
Here is my Transaction in the Blockchain:
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/0009a007ec5abf740ac25886a507adb9fadc3468d38a5cce4ed5aaac61a9e1de
For Order#408
Funds appear to have been moved and split up.

1.1xxx BTC is now on Cryptsy: http://www.walletexplorer.com/address/12DdMvhvVSLK9cFHbShG89A5oT4BqRHCM6


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Meech on January 04, 2015, 07:18:12 AM
Maybe they're reinvesting funds for the customer......not.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 04, 2015, 09:05:55 AM
Maybe they're reinvesting funds for the customer......not.

http://www.tawcan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/image002.gif

A is for Apple
P is for Polish
r is for return
n is for November
nt is for not!

Linearly: APparently not!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: tadzio on January 05, 2015, 10:14:37 AM
[..]
We wan't meet Michał and see some technology, samples, chips, production or tap out declaration (some specific information).
I don't want to give them reputation by visit them, but give information to community and future customers that they can decide by them self.
That's all we (local community members) can do for community.

Everyone need's to achieve reputation by them self.

Thanks Felipeo, your effort is greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 06, 2015, 04:23:21 AM
Amazingly, that little Polish fucker hasn't been around for a while. Anybody have a cowbell handy so we can ring his myriad non-functioning SSL certs?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on January 06, 2015, 07:15:11 AM
Amazingly, that little Polish fucker hasn't been around for a while. Anybody have a cowbell handy so we can ring his myriad non-functioning SSL certs?

He's busy filling my 100000 order.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on January 06, 2015, 02:28:27 PM
send me a test unit to review and verify u are not a scam

Oh, I have already offered them this via PM. Still no any response on my offer. So looks like we can just forget about this "manufacturer"...

If you want to throw away money that is fine with me, just send it to me to throw it away rather then a scammer.

I am ready to receive their BTCs too. I will use them for some good things, trust me.  ;D I'm serious!  ::)

16Yr4vWg7zj8TLQ5pjZQLeKE7LtsSCASmm

 :D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Marvell1 on January 06, 2015, 06:27:51 PM
people actually sent these people BTC ? wow


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: blg42598 on January 07, 2015, 12:22:19 AM
Seemed too good to be true.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 07, 2015, 12:56:27 AM
send me a test unit to review and verify u are not a scam

Oh, I have already offered them this via PM. Still no any response on my offer. So looks like we can just forget about this "manufacturer"...

If you want to throw away money that is fine with me, just send it to me to throw it away rather then a scammer.

I am ready to receive their BTCs too. I will use them for some good things, trust me.  ;D I'm serious!  ::)

16Yr4vWg7zj8TLQ5pjZQLeKE7LtsSCASmm

 :D

16Yr4vWg7zj8TLQ5pjZQLeKE7LtsSCASmm

FTFY!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: blg42598 on January 08, 2015, 01:21:52 AM
Well, he replied to me lol

I emailed him with a question about the miner about a week ago.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 08, 2015, 02:57:59 AM
An update on my stupidity  8)

Got this in my email today:

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for purchasing our product!

Sorry for delay, but we are getting lot of messages and requests. I can confirm your order, and that we received full payment. In next one work day I will send you an confirmation.

This confirmation will be in pdf format and it will be signed using qualifited electronical signature. This will be offcial evidence and confirmation of your order.

Happy mining!

--
Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn.

EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center
ul. Puławska 34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on January 08, 2015, 03:36:36 AM
An update on my stupidity  8)

Got this in my email today:

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for purchasing our product!

Sorry for delay, but we are getting lot of messages and requests. I can confirm your order, and that we received full payment. In next one work day I will send you an confirmation.

This confirmation will be in pdf format and it will be signed using qualifited electronical signature. This will be offcial evidence and confirmation of your order.

Happy mining!

--
Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn.

EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center
ul. Puławska 34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

http://i.imgur.com/FSys5Zm.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: audiotopix on January 08, 2015, 03:39:59 AM
An update on my stupidity  8)

Got this in my email today:

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for purchasing our product!

Sorry for delay, but we are getting lot of messages and requests. I can confirm your order, and that we received full payment. In next one work day I will send you an confirmation.

This confirmation will be in pdf format and it will be signed using qualifited electronical signature. This will be offcial evidence and confirmation of your order.

Happy mining!

--
Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn.

EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center
ul. Puławska 34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

http://i.imgur.com/FSys5Zm.jpg



And it only cost 1.8 something BTC :)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 08, 2015, 05:59:17 AM
An update on my stupidity  8)

Got this in my email today:

Hello Thomas,

Thank you for purchasing our product!

Sorry for delay, but we are getting lot of messages and requests. I can confirm your order, and that we received full payment. In next one work day I will send you an confirmation.

This confirmation will be in pdf format and it will be signed using qualifited electronical signature. This will be offcial evidence and confirmation of your order.

Happy mining!

--
Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn.

EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center
ul. Puławska 34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

http://i.imgur.com/FSys5Zm.jpg



And it only cost 1.8 something BTC :)

For a Polish Dumb Fax?

Why the extra work when a readily available system could've done the same thing seconds after the order was placed? Hell, just send the receipt via third-class mail.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 08, 2015, 06:22:04 AM
I, too, just got my reply. Anybody want to see it including the complete header?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kano on January 08, 2015, 06:45:40 AM
Just PMed to him now:

Hi, you posted you are using our (ckolivas an myself) software cgminer and an old version.
Unless that was a complete scam comment, you will now be able to immediately post a link to the source code for the changed version of cgminer and I will be able to at least see that you have done something over the months you have supposedly spent in development.

cgminer GPLv3 requires you to give the source code to anyone you supply a cgminer binary to, if they request it.
i.e. any customers you actually supply with miners.
Of course if you are a scam and you are never going to provide customers with miners then of course no source code is required.

I am posting this PM on the forum also.

There is NO reason for you to NOT be able to reply to this with a full source code link within 24 hours unless you are spending days faking a reply or simply just a complete scam and unable to produce such software modifications with a new driver for your hardware.

To be able to deliver in February means you will already have full designs and completed hardware for pretty much everything but the actual wafer being packaged and given to you - which would happen in the next couple of weeks at the most to be able to meet an END of February deadline.
You will already have full schematic diagrams for everything and thus you could also either:
1) post these on the forum to waylay the fears that most believe you are a scam
or
2) ignore doing that coz ... you are a scam

Please reply within 24 hours or post results on the forum within 24 hours.

Lastly of course, ckolivas and myself already regularly receive hardware from the main manufacturers of bitcoin mining hardware and we are easily able to evaluate and prove that something is, indeed, real mining hardware since we wrote most of the cgminer code and most of the drivers in cgminer.

It doesn't matter what excuse you come up with, doing the above things: posting source code links, posting schematic diagrams, posting information that can prove you are actually doing and have almost completed what it seems you are faking, will not in any way damage your company if it is legitimate. Not posting that information now, will damage it or simply prove it is a scam.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: suchmoon on January 08, 2015, 06:56:21 AM
Good one :). Turns out GPL can be used for scambusting.

Just curious - are all vendors compliant with this - Bitmain, Spond, AM? I kind of remember there was some quarrel in one of Bitmain threads about the source code, not sure if it was about GPL though.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kano on January 08, 2015, 07:32:14 AM
Good one :). Turns out GPL can be used for scambusting.

Just curious - are all vendors compliant with this - Bitmain, Spond, AM? I kind of remember there was some quarrel in one of Bitmain threads about the source code, not sure if it was about GPL though.
Most vendors are.
Bitmain has been slow in the past.
A few Chinese vendors completely ignore it since their laws seem to let them.
Pity people still buy from those Chinese vendors, and support them ignoring the GPLv3 - but I guess it's not rare for people to really not give a damn about that unless they can gain from it directly.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Felipeo on January 08, 2015, 10:55:45 AM
+1 Kano (and no contact with You or ckolivas about cgminer are next sign of very poor scam)


Still no possibility to contact by phone... its just off.

And user last active: Today at 03:05:03 so Michał is watching but clearly have no more to add...



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Rabinovitch on January 08, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
He told me that test unit will be sent to dogie... Dogie still keeps silence about it...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: baristor on January 08, 2015, 12:07:09 PM
He told me that test unit will be sent to dogie... Dogie still keeps silence about it...

he told me the same thing anonymously decided !


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kpitti on January 08, 2015, 12:57:54 PM
Did I missed something? I am reading here now that people are buying this even without prove of existence .... . Did someone confirmed that miner is real and had chance to test it?
I am curious.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: legendster on January 08, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
... If us throwing away 1.8541 BTC helps 1000 other people  ....

So you're all rich old farts :P I say that with the utmost respect off course :)

Regardless, do keep us informed about what this turns out to be. Trust me if this 6Th/s for $600 turns out to be real then it is a solid deal for many of us Indians & would appreciate it.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on January 08, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
Did I missed something? I am reading here now that people are buying this even without prove of existence .... . Did someone confirmed that miner is real and had chance to test it?
I am curious.

There is no evidence it exists, but that doesn't stop people from wasting their money.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 08, 2015, 07:02:47 PM
Did I missed something? I am reading here now that people are buying this even without prove of existence .... . Did someone confirmed that miner is real and had chance to test it?
I am curious.

There is no evidence it exists, but that doesn't stop people from wasting their money.

Some Phinnaeus(sic) dude once said there's a sucker born every minute. If it looks like a Ponzi scheme, smells like a Ponzi scheme, quacks like a Ponzi scheme, and you even clearly tell your customer base that it's a Ponzi scheme, you'll still near-overload your servers with activity.

As promised 100 hours http://cryptodouble.com/?ref=hx4ls (http://cryptodouble.com/?ref=hx4ls) bitcoin invested back twice.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2la77n6.jpg

https://blockchain.info/address/1EwmGMg4fCTPSV8NuBxR4DbdZFiU2ZbgaV

Everything looks like a big ponzi but although at the beginning, you can earn some money.
It is important to back out at the right time and take the right strategy :)

After these four days I am at zero and 2 BTC which drain into the Saturday I'll try a few times to multiply.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: alh on January 08, 2015, 07:08:42 PM
While this may sound pedantic, I don't think that this is a Ponzi scheme at all. I think it's more like outright fraud, where you you sell something that doesn't exist, or that you don't own. Kinda like when I tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge a few years back. :)

I thinks Charles Ponzi would take great offense, from his grave, at this being called a Ponzi scheme.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 09, 2015, 12:49:04 AM
While this may sound pedantic, I don't think that this is a Ponzi scheme at all. I think it's more like outright fraud, where you you sell something that doesn't exist, or that you don't own. Kinda like when I tried to sell the Brooklyn Bridge a few years back. :)

I thinks Charles Ponzi would take great offense, from his grave, at this being called a Ponzi scheme.

Apologies for the misunderstanding, for I was in no way implying that EMIC is a Ponzi scheme. I merely was pointing out the "there's a sucker born every minute" aspect, using an obvious Ponzi scheme by its owner's own admission, yet crypto-coiners flocked to, then participated on the site. Ergo, if EMIC is a scam, he'll profit handsomely off it, rinsing and repeating the process, for why kill the golden goose model when there's still millions of marks to be had?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on January 09, 2015, 11:39:22 AM
He told me that test unit will be sent to dogie... Dogie still keeps silence about it...

he told me the same thing anonymously decided !

Because "dogie will test it" provides no credence that "dogie will have something to test".


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Searing on January 09, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
He told me that test unit will be sent to dogie... Dogie still keeps silence about it...

he told me the same thing anonymously decided !

Because "dogie will test it" provides no credence that "dogie will have something to test".

if doggie gets a legit unit to test from EMIC at 5.65TH...and sends me a pic of him getting such  ..i will post a pic of me eating such a pic of his test unit on here....(yeah it be very unlikely doggie sees a unit)

i must be allowed A1 sauce to get pic down thou!



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Hoshimaru on January 09, 2015, 12:42:04 PM
Now this is something I'd like to have running at home :o

I've looked around a little and it seems like it's a real company.
They had adverts to hire sales staff according to google's cache on various jobsites:

For example...
http://i61.tinypic.com/ddnd6d.jpg



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 09, 2015, 01:11:54 PM
Now this is something I'd like to have running at home :o

I've looked around a little and it seems like it's a real company.
They had adverts to hire sales staff according to google's cache on various jobsites:

For example...
http://i61.tinypic.com/ddnd6d.jpg



Basically, has already been touched upon. Besides, BFL ran the same ads, but only hired friends and family and family of friends and friends of family, but the adverts were impressive as hell. Even AMT Miners sought employees on this very forum, not to mention Black Arrow and their reseller scheme, which BTW EMIC is seeking same.

BTW #2, forget about others MPP plans, for EMIC gives you their version of it up front in the form of 10% more hashing power if you order at least X units. I know what X is, and will share the email as proof depicting such for the token amount of only one satoshi. Escrow welcomed if my SSL certs are not good enough for you.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Hoshimaru on January 09, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
I've been reading earlier posts in this thread. What a disappointment. It would have been great if there were an Asic builder in Europe with this kind of price.

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ch6mg6.png

It's the registration history when looking up the NIP code on their contact form.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on January 09, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
I've looked around a little and it seems like it's a real company.

Being a "real company" is about .0001% of what you need to develop a working bitcoin ASIC, not to mention the worlds best ASIC by far. In other words, being a "real company" is nothing.

What we know so far is that it is impossible for them to release the product as specified at the time specified.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: starsoccer9 on January 09, 2015, 09:50:47 PM
I heard dogie will test so I buy 1000 units  :o


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mavericklm on January 09, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
I heard dogie will test so I buy 1000 units  :o

:))

Curious why this shit is still full on!? maybe the winter holidays are not over for some!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mavericklm on January 10, 2015, 12:16:34 AM
Look! a scammer posting his thread in a scam thread!!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 14, 2015, 06:27:46 AM
http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office2.jpg

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office.jpg

These are not even the same building, yet this is what Michal claims his office to be located.

Office pics from his website deleted in 5...4...3... (I'm battin' a 1000 here).

First is the building in the front, where DACPOL company has its office. Second building is where are we located exactly (building 27, as in our address). Building is in the back so it is easier to find if you are looking for the front ona (26).

Graphical explanation for all malcontents.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office_e.jpg


Nice try, but that is not me.

The largest street in Warsaw extends all the way to the next town, through several other towns first to boot.

Here's a turn story. My grandparents and dad had to cross that big-ass street during WWII when they walked (literally) from Lithuania to Belgium to get away from the Nazis.

Yeah, and? Is this another proof that we are scam? Like all pictures you posted here? Still dont get which image/post or whatever already posted here is proof that we are scam. Cant understand this.

Quote
Name:   emic.com.pl
Posts:   9
Activity:   9
Position:   Newbie
Date Registered:   December 23, 2014, 12:34:09 PM
Last Active:   January 07, 2015, 08:05:03 PM

Probably, just came around long enough to make sure the images gleaned off EMIC's official website are no longer viewable.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 14, 2015, 06:31:26 AM
https://emic.com.pl/us/

http://s4.postimg.org/7g52ony9p/404gone.jpg

https://discoveringdifferent.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/and-its-gone.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 14, 2015, 06:34:42 AM

Hello everyone bitcointalk.org.

My name is Michał Krawczyszyn and I'm founder of EMIC - European Mining Innovation Center (http://emic.com.pl). We are new here, but everyone started somewhere.

I would like to announce, that we started selling our first EMIC PowerModule miner in the pre-order.

http://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/product_big.jpg

A few words about EMIC PowerModule:

Progression of mining and mining equipment development is enormous. Seeing this, and taking advantage of this opportunity to take up the challenge to move mining to the next level. EMIC will be the first ever company to introduce 20nm ASIC chips to their miners.

Preliminary testing shows that it is possible to achieve hashrate above 6TH/s while keeping the power consumption about 1500W.
I'll get straight to the point. EMIC PowerModule revolutionize the mining. The most important for us, was that the cost of this device should be comparable to good quality computer (2000 PLN – about 600 USD in Poland). EMIC PowerModule’s effective hash rate is 5.65 TH/s +/- 5% and power consumption is 1400W.

Delivery of the first batch will take place in February 2015.

Price of one module: 2059 PLN (about 600 USD //23.12.2014)

More information can be found on the product page: http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule (http://emic.com.pl/en/product/emic-powermodule)

A few words about EMIC:

First of all, EMIC is a registered business in Poland. We are located in Piaseczno near Warsaw.

Precise data of our company is:

Michał Krawczyszyn – European Mining Innovation Center (EMIC)
Puławska Street  34 bud 27
05-500 Piaseczno
Poland

More information on the "About Us" page:http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us (http://emic.com.pl/en/about-us)

Available payment methods:

We provide payment by bank transfer in PLN, USD, EUR and GBP. You can also pay using Bitcoin via Coinbase or Bitpay.

Note: In the footer, you can see logos of credit cards, which may suggest a possible payment using them. I would like to clarify that it is not a mistake. In a few days should be credit card payment option available. More info here:
http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/ (http://emic.com.pl/en/transferuj-pl-payment-gateway/)

Additional Information:

To increase the the credibility of the EMIC as a reliable partner and vendor, we implement on our website EV SSL certificate (Extended Validation). You can read more here: http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate (http://emic.com.pl/en/ssl-certificate)

Christmas and New Year:

First of all, I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
During the holidays we will not be available on the telephone. More here: http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/
 (http://emic.com.pl/en/christmas-and-new-year-time/)

Discount on start:

At the beginning of sales, we offer a promotion:

Discount code "11for10". Order at least 11 modules, use the code and get one free module. The code is limited to a total of twenty to use.

Discount code "25for20". Order at least 25 modules, use the code and get five modules for free. The code is limited to just five uses.

Bitcoin payment:

For the convenience of our customers we want to allow for payment via Bitpay and Coinbase. At the moment we passed Coinbase full verification positively. Bitpay verification is still in progress, so this option is temporarily unavailable.

Summary:

If you have any questions, please write to the address office@emic.com.pl. From January 2 we will be available to contact by phone or in person to visit.

Regards,
Michał Krawczyszyn
European Mining Innovation Center




Hello, Michael (that's where I quit reading). Go fuck yourself!

Now, to read the rest of the thread to see if my assessment is correct.

EDIT: Confirmed!

ECHO: Go fuck yourself!

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/196/956/448306935_on5nZnDb_c.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on January 14, 2015, 06:40:16 AM
And it only cost 1.8 something BTC :)

Did you get your 1.8 BTC .pdf yet?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on January 14, 2015, 06:43:32 AM

So, https://emic.com.pl/en/ (https://emic.com.pl/en/) isn't really a thing? Not defending anything except correctness.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Sandhog on January 14, 2015, 12:56:37 PM
I will order after it has been proven operational. No more Pre-order for me. I've learned after dropping over $14K USD into mining venture to know Pre-orders never pays.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on January 14, 2015, 03:52:22 PM
https://emic.com.pl/us/
So, https://emic.com.pl/en/ (https://emic.com.pl/en/) isn't really a thing? Not defending anything except correctness.

Yup, works for me.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: web20nci on January 14, 2015, 04:06:27 PM
Sent mail to EMIC, but will be nice, if they could explain here too, why don't you use PayPal and E-bay, those will protect us as buyers, and i will buy it there..


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ATCkit on January 17, 2015, 10:49:00 PM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 17, 2015, 11:21:45 PM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.

Somewhere is Poland is a dude jacking off all over himself because he's now planning to sell at least three devises via eBay to himself, along with leaving three positive feedbacks. Then, he'll return to this forum offering up proof that EMIC is legit.

That said, somewhere in Poland is the same dude whose weewee just went limp.

Plan C: More cowbell SSL certificates.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ATCkit on January 17, 2015, 11:59:35 PM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.

Somewhere is Poland is a dude jacking off all over himself because he's now planning to sell at least three devises via eBay to himself, along with leaving three positive feedbacks. Then, he'll return to this forum offering up proof that EMIC is legit.

That said, somewhere in Poland is the same dude whose weewee just went limp.

Plan C: More cowbell SSL certificates.


That picture doesn't look good- lol.

Anyway, I have never spent much on pre-orders...but have been ripped off by an established company.

Just like the rest of you, I will need proof from trusted parties on here that EMIC produced the miner, actually delivered and it works as specified. Then, I would gladly order a few.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: web20nci on January 18, 2015, 02:26:55 AM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.

Somewhere is Poland is a dude jacking off all over himself because he's now planning to sell at least three devises via eBay to himself, along with leaving three positive feedbacks. Then, he'll return to this forum offering up proof that EMIC is legit.

That said, somewhere in Poland is the same dude whose weewee just went limp.

Plan C: More cowbell SSL certificates.
no problem, will buy through ebay, if miner is not as described, will get money back even with return postage...


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Sandhog on January 18, 2015, 12:48:30 PM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.

Somewhere is Poland is a dude jacking off all over himself because he's now planning to sell at least three devises via eBay to himself, along with leaving three positive feedbacks. Then, he'll return to this forum offering up proof that EMIC is legit.

That said, somewhere in Poland is the same dude whose weewee just went limp.

Plan C: More cowbell SSL certificates.
If it's a scam, it would have had few newbie miners' money. But with BTC being so low, I don't think there are anymore newbie miners. It's very tempting buy since if it were true, it's profitable mining at the price of the miner.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: justbee on January 25, 2015, 01:39:59 PM
Any news ?  ???


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: ATCkit on January 25, 2015, 03:30:05 PM
Seems too good to be true. If legit and product works as described, it's by far the best buy in the Industry.

@EMIC, 

In addition to sending a review sample to dogie, I think the idea of starting to sell them on EBay will help you to build trust.

Here's an example of why:

Last year I bought a 1THS Dragon on EBay and paid via PayPal. The seller never delivered the product within the time frame he stated on eBay.

I opened a dispute resolution claim with EBay.

EBay contacted the seller. The seller could not prove they shipped the miner ( or ever intended to ship it).
I was reimbursed 100%...and the seller was de-listed.

So in your case, once you gain trust for delivering through EBay, "word of mouth" on forums such as this will help you. Then, you can resort to using your online store to sell your miners.

Somewhere is Poland is a dude jacking off all over himself because he's now planning to sell at least three devises via eBay to himself, along with leaving three positive feedbacks. Then, he'll return to this forum offering up proof that EMIC is legit.

That said, somewhere in Poland is the same dude whose weewee just went limp.

Plan C: More cowbell SSL certificates.
If it's a scam, it would have had few newbie miners' money. But with BTC being so low, I don't think there are anymore newbie miners. It's very tempting buy since if it were true, it's profitable mining at the price of the miner.


Well even if he would accept Escrow, that would help protect us (non-newbs) from losing our money and enable him to get hardware in the marketplace. There are known and trusted escrow providers available. 


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: tvasbn on January 26, 2015, 05:49:59 AM
100% scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 26, 2015, 04:30:30 PM
Any news ?  ???

Breaking news! February is next week.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: boomin on January 28, 2015, 05:45:59 PM
Ok -prior to reading everything on this topic.  I went ahead and decided to purchase said item.  It kind of reminded me of something my mother told me as a young boy.  If something seems too good to be true - it probably is!

But, there is this beautiful gold seal that says I can have my money back even after receiving the product!  (once again.  see above statement)

After doing a little more research - and reading all of the problems that are listed in this topic that create red flags,  I decided to "Cancel" my order.  You know that you can cancel up to the shipping time - and even cancel after the order is placed up to 30 days!   Well - here is a dead give away,  It doesn't create a login/password so you have an account like a normal website so that you might be able to cancel the order!

So even though the gold seal of approval of refund for 30 days exists - you CANNOT actually ask for a refund!  Here is where Paypal comes in.  They INSTANTLY refunded my money and FLAGGED his Paypal account.  They are currently doing a review of all of his transactions thru Paypal.   The guy is going to HATE ME! LOL

Please folks, remember what momma said.  If they were even able to make a device like this for this amount of money, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THEY SELL IT?

I would set up multiple factories and mine myself!  

Please heed my warning - as well as the previous warnings that this smells TERRIBLY of a SCAM!!!

Buyer Beware!!!

P.s. I know that paypal is "the enemy" kind of in our bitcoin agenda.  But - today they won some points with me!

Carry on...
Boomin



Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Syke on January 28, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
P.s. I know that paypal is "the enemy" kind of in our bitcoin agenda.  But - today they won some points with me!

Carry on...
Boomin

Paypal definitely has its uses. They have saved many people from similar situations. Good thing you notified them before the 45 days expired. There are limits to the buyer's protection.

Lesson learned, do not send bitcoins to people/companies/etc that you do not trust. And don't trust companies that have no history and are selling too good to be true items.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on January 28, 2015, 06:32:35 PM
Quote
If they were even able to make a device like this for this amount of money, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD THEY SELL IT?

It's rare especially in the bitcoin economy, but not everyone's business ventures are based purely on greed and maximizing short-term profits.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on January 28, 2015, 07:49:19 PM
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Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on January 29, 2015, 11:15:34 AM
They INSTANTLY refunded my money and FLAGGED his Paypal account.

Unfortunately they often say things like this to make the customer feel important / powerful, and make sure they [Paypal] distance themselves from the bad transaction. Until there are many more complaints its unlikely anything will actually happen or automated checks are trigger.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: kingscrown on February 01, 2015, 03:58:27 AM
They INSTANTLY refunded my money and FLAGGED his Paypal account.

Unfortunately they often say things like this to make the customer feel important / powerful, and make sure they [Paypal] distance themselves from the bad transaction. Until there are many more complaints its unlikely anything will actually happen or automated checks are trigger.

as i mentioned earlier im from PL and they didnt want to have in-hosue checks, and i do know almost everybody here.

this is scam 100%.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: marvykkio on February 01, 2015, 10:14:17 AM
I buy it, but you'll pay in cash, or, when the courier delivered it to me I pay him directly to delivery. 8) 8) 8)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: BTC-TMXSTAR on February 01, 2015, 11:43:04 AM
I hope this is not a scam


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sloopy on February 01, 2015, 09:41:51 PM
I would buy this as I'm sure many would, if it wasn't a scam.
If it wasn't a scam we would see this company everywhere, because they would be making millions right now.
It is 2-1-15, they would have had a unit in the hands of some notable forum members for testing and review.
If this is / was real, and if they were sincerely interested in selling this product any nda involving testing would surely have been lifted for marketing reasons.

There are too many people lined up for manufacturers saying take my money for a legitimate company to have this kind of negative attention at this point in their advertised timeline. Sure, there have been companies who did preorders which are great to do business with, Spoondoolies, but who else?

I wish upon a star this product could be ordered today,delivered within a few days, and setup hashing by next weekend between 5.4 and 5.7, but alas I also wish for a rich, hot, mute Blonde chick to drop in my lap and adore my every word, and I put the same amount of faith in both wishes.

Mr. if you want to run a scam you should hang around and read up on the forums a bit more. You have to sell something a bit more believable, remark products from other manufacturers without getting caught, and get your pre orders in queue then disappear. Blatant scams with specifications such as this are too big, too much noise, and the only way anyone will buy one is if they see one running with someone they trust. E.g. a legendary reviewer who has reviews other products, and if you were to pick dogie you would have to send one to someone else as well because so many will say Dogie isn't enough.
Then you could scam some of us, but not before!

Scammers checklist:
1. Believable product
2. Pay off Dogie
3. Pay off legendary member of forum with good reputation and reviews already under their belt.
4. Start taking pre-orders.
5. Run away and hide for the rest of life or hire bodyguards when going out in public. (Recent action by another known scammer in crypto community and bonus points if you call it!)

Again, man I wish it were so, but as we all know, if you get snocked in the snow, you either have a wet butt or knees and most people in this community are getting just too darned smart for n00b scammers and knees are just a bit sore to be getting on them again so soon.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 01, 2015, 11:20:16 PM
I would buy this as I'm sure many would, if it wasn't a scam.
If it wasn't a scam we would see this company everywhere, because they would be making millions right now.
It is 2-1-15, they would have had a unit int eh hands of some notable forum members for testing and review.
If this is / was real, and if they were sincerely interested in selling this product any nda involving testing would surely have been lifted for marketing reasons.

There are too many people lined up for manufacturers saying take my money for a legitimate company to have this kind of negative attention at this point in their advertised timeline. Sure, there have been companies who did preorders which are great todo buisness with, Spoondoolies, but who else?

I wish upon a star this product could be ordered today,delivered within a few days, and setup hashing by next weekend between 5.4 and 5.7, but alas I also wish for a rich, hot, mute Blonde chick to drop in my lap and adore my every word, and I put the same amount of faith in both wishes.

Mr. if you want to run a scam you should hang around and read up on the forums a bit more. You have to sell something a bit more believable, remark products from other manufacturers without getting caught, and get your pre orders in queue then disappear. Blatant scams with specifications such as this are too big, too much noise, and the only way anyone will buy one is if they see one running with someone they trust. E.g. a legendary reviewer who has reviews other products, and if you were to pick dogie you would have to send one to someone else as well because so many will say Dogie isn't enough.
Then you could scam some of us, but not before!

Scammers checklist:
1. Believable product
2. Pay off Dogie
3. Pay off legendary member of forum with good reputation and reviews already under their belt.
4. Start taking pre-orders.
5. Run away and hide for the rest of life or hire bodyguards when going out in public. (Recent action by another known scammer in crypto community and bonus points if you call it!)

Again, man I wish it were so, but as we all know, if you get snocked in the snow, you either have a wet butt or knees and most people in this community are getting just too darned smart for n00b scammers and knees are just a bit sore to be getting on them again so soon.


5. = GAW. How many bonus points did I earn?

And, fuck you for mentioning snow.  :P I shoveled by hand 8" this morning, and just dug another ~8", and the shit is still fallin'. It's gettin' so bad here, I'm startin' to pick up a New York attitude.  ;)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on February 01, 2015, 11:43:25 PM
Send it here to southern Missouri. I've lived here friggin' 11 winters and seen four, maybe five good snows. The best snow we had shut down the whole town for a week (the university cancelled classes two days in a row, for the first time in its ~130 year history), and it was approximately what we got at least twice every winter where I grew up (in northern Missouri - amazing what 150 miles can do to climate). Gettin' tired of stupid dry cold. Or cold rain. I haven't needed the Jeep's front axle in over a year.

Also, all this good advice is really tempting me to make a scam miner and rip people off. We could use the money to make those hosting upgrades, and then just steal all the miners people send us. Wouldn't that be fun evil.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: fiuscas on February 02, 2015, 11:59:40 AM
Hello. I'm new around here. I another week I've been researching this company and found something. I contacted the company where EMIC they say rented an Office and DACPOL. Ltd and they replied me today..


Good morning,

As we established during Friday chat, I checked some information about Emic company.

Indeed, they  rented an office in our building. But now, from some time we don’t have any contact with them. They don’t answer our e-mails and don’t pick up the phone.

This is all we know about them. 

 

Pozdrawiam / Best regards
Anna Lepianka
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DACPOL Sp. z o.o.
ul. Puławska 34
05-500 Piaseczno
tel.: (+48)227035 113
fax:  (+48)227035 101
e-mail: a.lepianka@dacpol.com.pl
Zamówienia składane w firmie DACPOL Sp. z o.o. są realizowane zgodnie z Warunkami sprzedaży znajdującymi się na stronie www.dacpol.eu .


.What do you think of this?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: bbxx on February 02, 2015, 12:44:24 PM
it is 100% scam

pity


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sloopy on February 02, 2015, 12:54:59 PM
I would buy this as I'm sure many would, if it wasn't a scam.
If it wasn't a scam we would see this company everywhere, because they would be making millions right now.
It is 2-1-15, they would have had a unit int eh hands of some notable forum members for testing and review.
If this is / was real, and if they were sincerely interested in selling this product any nda involving testing would surely have been lifted for marketing reasons.

There are too many people lined up for manufacturers saying take my money for a legitimate company to have this kind of negative attention at this point in their advertised timeline. Sure, there have been companies who did preorders which are great todo buisness with, Spoondoolies, but who else?

I wish upon a star this product could be ordered today,delivered within a few days, and setup hashing by next weekend between 5.4 and 5.7, but alas I also wish for a rich, hot, mute Blonde chick to drop in my lap and adore my every word, and I put the same amount of faith in both wishes.

Mr. if you want to run a scam you should hang around and read up on the forums a bit more. You have to sell something a bit more believable, remark products from other manufacturers without getting caught, and get your pre orders in queue then disappear. Blatant scams with specifications such as this are too big, too much noise, and the only way anyone will buy one is if they see one running with someone they trust. E.g. a legendary reviewer who has reviews other products, and if you were to pick dogie you would have to send one to someone else as well because so many will say Dogie isn't enough.
Then you could scam some of us, but not before!

Scammers checklist:
1. Believable product
2. Pay off Dogie
3. Pay off legendary member of forum with good reputation and reviews already under their belt.
4. Start taking pre-orders.
5. Run away and hide for the rest of life or hire bodyguards when going out in public. (Recent action by another known scammer in crypto community and bonus points if you call it!)

Again, man I wish it were so, but as we all know, if you get snocked in the snow, you either have a wet butt or knees and most people in this community are getting just too darned smart for n00b scammers and knees are just a bit sore to be getting on them again so soon.


5. = GAW. How many bonus points did I earn?

And, fuck you for mentioning snow.  :P I shoveled by hand 8" this morning, and just dug another ~8", and the shit is still fallin'. It's gettin' so bad here, I'm startin' to pick up a New York attitude.  ;)

Ding Ding Ding
Tell him what he's won Bob


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2015, 06:51:04 PM
I would buy this as I'm sure many would, if it wasn't a scam.
If it wasn't a scam we would see this company everywhere, because they would be making millions right now.
It is 2-1-15, they would have had a unit int eh hands of some notable forum members for testing and review.
If this is / was real, and if they were sincerely interested in selling this product any nda involving testing would surely have been lifted for marketing reasons.

There are too many people lined up for manufacturers saying take my money for a legitimate company to have this kind of negative attention at this point in their advertised timeline. Sure, there have been companies who did preorders which are great todo buisness with, Spoondoolies, but who else?

I wish upon a star this product could be ordered today,delivered within a few days, and setup hashing by next weekend between 5.4 and 5.7, but alas I also wish for a rich, hot, mute Blonde chick to drop in my lap and adore my every word, and I put the same amount of faith in both wishes.

Mr. if you want to run a scam you should hang around and read up on the forums a bit more. You have to sell something a bit more believable, remark products from other manufacturers without getting caught, and get your pre orders in queue then disappear. Blatant scams with specifications such as this are too big, too much noise, and the only way anyone will buy one is if they see one running with someone they trust. E.g. a legendary reviewer who has reviews other products, and if you were to pick dogie you would have to send one to someone else as well because so many will say Dogie isn't enough.
Then you could scam some of us, but not before!

Scammers checklist:
1. Believable product
2. Pay off Dogie
3. Pay off legendary member of forum with good reputation and reviews already under their belt.
4. Start taking pre-orders.
5. Run away and hide for the rest of life or hire bodyguards when going out in public. (Recent action by another known scammer in crypto community and bonus points if you call it!)

Again, man I wish it were so, but as we all know, if you get snocked in the snow, you either have a wet butt or knees and most people in this community are getting just too darned smart for n00b scammers and knees are just a bit sore to be getting on them again so soon.


5. = GAW. How many bonus points did I earn?

And, fuck you for mentioning snow.  :P I shoveled by hand 8" this morning, and just dug another ~8", and the shit is still fallin'. It's gettin' so bad here, I'm startin' to pick up a New York attitude.  ;)

Ding Ding Ding
Tell him what he's won Bob

https://viequesdreamhousediary.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/spokesmodel.jpg

Oh MFG, I won Zonki! First, I'm goin' take her to the movies. Then,...

https://romanceyourmate.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/lovers-lane.jpg

Please, Jehovah, let Zonki be the four-legged critter that I'm witnessing behind door number two.

On a side note, rest assured that ASIC's site went down due to the weight of all them SSL certificates.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: CrashBoomBen on February 05, 2015, 10:17:32 AM
Hi all. I'm one of the "smart" people who saw EMIC on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Since a good friend of mine has solar panels, I thought this would make a very good investment.
So I placed an order, paid it, etc.

On the website it is said you receive an order confirmation after 48 hours at most, so either their clock has been broken for two weeks now or either something else is going on. I mailed EMIC again today, saying that if I haven't heard from them in 24 hours, I'm going to the proper authorities. I'll let y'all know how this turns out tomorrow. Same time, same channel.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mindtrip on February 05, 2015, 11:24:46 PM
Hi all. I'm one of the "smart" people who saw EMIC on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Since a good friend of mine has solar panels, I thought this would make a very good investment.
So I placed an order, paid it, etc.

On the website it is said you receive an order confirmation after 48 hours at most, so either their clock has been broken for two weeks now or either something else is going on. I mailed EMIC again today, saying that if I haven't heard from them in 24 hours, I'm going to the proper authorities. I'll let y'all know how this turns out tomorrow. Same time, same channel.

Good luck!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: alh on February 06, 2015, 05:42:37 AM
Hi all. I'm one of the "smart" people who saw EMIC on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Since a good friend of mine has solar panels, I thought this would make a very good investment.
So I placed an order, paid it, etc.

On the website it is said you receive an order confirmation after 48 hours at most, so either their clock has been broken for two weeks now or either something else is going on. I mailed EMIC again today, saying that if I haven't heard from them in 24 hours, I'm going to the proper authorities. I'll let y'all know how this turns out tomorrow. Same time, same channel.

While I would be absolutely stunned if you actually got anything besides a PDF confirmation, please report back on your outcome. I hope you are able to recover some of what you paid, since I expect this is a full on fraud. Sorry to be so negative........


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mavericklm on February 06, 2015, 03:03:17 PM
are ppl still asking for proof? santa must be real! ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: TheRealSteve on February 07, 2015, 03:10:12 AM
whew, got sidetracked - hello!

are ppl still asking for proof? santa must be real! ;D
Well, it's only barely February - they still have 3 weeks to deliver ;)
( Promises of "lot of data right ater new year" aside. )

They've already been removed from the Bitcoin wiki (bitcoin.it) hardware comparison list, and I amended their main entry (EMIC) to point out that only pre-orders are being accepted and that no hardware actually exists at this time (as per their own FAQ).

I agree that this smells of scam, but at least they're not claiming to have hardware and then not showing anything for it - just the regular pre-order vaporware variant of scam. Getting to be about time that they start showing something, anything, if they're supposed to deliver in Feb though :D

As an aside, if I were crazy enough to order, I'd definitely order the Polish version; Apparently it's 0.02W/GH/s more efficient than the English version: https://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shemat.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 07, 2015, 03:45:45 AM
EMIC's escape routes mapped:

https://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/themes/emic/images/office_e.jpg


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: CrashBoomBen on February 07, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
Hi all. I'm one of the "smart" people who saw EMIC on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Since a good friend of mine has solar panels, I thought this would make a very good investment.
So I placed an order, paid it, etc.

On the website it is said you receive an order confirmation after 48 hours at most, so either their clock has been broken for two weeks now or either something else is going on. I mailed EMIC again today, saying that if I haven't heard from them in 24 hours, I'm going to the proper authorities. I'll let y'all know how this turns out tomorrow. Same time, same channel.

While I would be absolutely stunned if you actually got anything besides a PDF confirmation, please report back on your outcome. I hope you are able to recover some of what you paid, since I expect this is a full on fraud. Sorry to be so negative........
As you may have noticed, I'm pretty negative myself about the whole thing, so no worries. ;)
I ended up not even waiting 24 hours, and filed a complaint with the Belgian ministry of finance. They're supposed to get the ball rolling.  ???
I'll keep you all updated.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Sandhog on February 07, 2015, 08:42:39 PM
whew, got sidetracked - hello!

are ppl still asking for proof? santa must be real! ;D
Well, it's only barely February - they still have 3 weeks to deliver ;)
( Promises of "lot of data right ater new year" aside. )

They've already been removed from the Bitcoin wiki (bitcoin.it) hardware comparison list, and I amended their main entry (EMIC) to point out that only pre-orders are being accepted and that no hardware actually exists at this time (as per their own FAQ).

I agree that this smells of scam, but at least they're not claiming to have hardware and then not showing anything for it - just the regular pre-order vaporware variant of scam. Getting to be about time that they start showing something, anything, if they're supposed to deliver in Feb though :D

As an aside, if I were crazy enough to order, I'd definitely order the Polish version; Apparently it's 0.02W/GH/s more efficient than the English version: https://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shemat.jpg
Good eyes. Since you mention it, I notice the Polish version is 0.023 verses English 0.025W/GH/s. As they said, Devil is in the details.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on February 07, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
Probably the ASICs are built to do math with Polish notation and the English version uses a tidbit of extra power to do the conversion.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 07, 2015, 11:19:36 PM
whew, got sidetracked - hello!

are ppl still asking for proof? santa must be real! ;D
Well, it's only barely February - they still have 3 weeks to deliver ;)
( Promises of "lot of data right ater new year" aside. )

They've already been removed from the Bitcoin wiki (bitcoin.it) hardware comparison list, and I amended their main entry (EMIC) to point out that only pre-orders are being accepted and that no hardware actually exists at this time (as per their own FAQ).

I agree that this smells of scam, but at least they're not claiming to have hardware and then not showing anything for it - just the regular pre-order vaporware variant of scam. Getting to be about time that they start showing something, anything, if they're supposed to deliver in Feb though :D

As an aside, if I were crazy enough to order, I'd definitely order the Polish version; Apparently it's 0.02W/GH/s more efficient than the English version: https://emic.com.pl/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/shemat.jpg
Good eyes. Since you mention it, I notice the Polish version is 0.023 verses English 0.025W/GH/s. As they said, Devil is in the details.

http://s22.postimg.org/pstcqdvfl/shemat.jpg

Looks like Polish Tic-Tac-Toe, where every play's a winner or loser depending on what day it is.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: dogie on February 08, 2015, 01:34:29 AM
I don't know why you guys bother filling this thread with "I thought it was a scam yesterday, I think its still a scam today".... Just let it die already.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on February 08, 2015, 02:13:10 AM
Because it's still fun to pick on scammers, even if they're not around to defend themselves?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 08, 2015, 02:26:26 AM
Because it's still fun to pick on scammers, even if they're not around to defend themselves?

I guess that'd make us bullying-the-scammers picker-onners.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on February 08, 2015, 02:37:53 AM
I will proudly belittle anyone who makes a living by ripping people off. Unfortunately these days that keeps me pretty busy, especially in America.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Bicknellski on February 08, 2015, 07:55:56 AM
I will proudly belittle anyone who makes a living by ripping people off. Unfortunately these days that keeps me pretty busy, especially in America.

Worldwide issue.

Look at the culprits.

It is spread everywhere.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: MyRig on February 08, 2015, 08:00:17 AM
come on now!!!  if you guys are going to loose BTC, you can buy a real miner in stock now days...   ;D

Edit: I could not resist...   ::)


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mavericklm on February 08, 2015, 11:36:03 PM
come on now!!!  if you guys are going to loose BTC, you can buy a real miner from our farm now days...   ;D

Edit: I could not resist...   ::)

edited ;D


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: RoadStress on February 08, 2015, 11:42:45 PM
come on now!!!  if you guys are going to loose BTC, you can buy a real miner from our farm now days...   ;D

Edit: I could not resist...   ::)

edited ;D

Funny!


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: legendster on February 09, 2015, 05:54:41 AM
Hi all. I'm one of the "smart" people who saw EMIC on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison
Since a good friend of mine has solar panels, I thought this would make a very good investment.
So I placed an order, paid it, etc.

On the website it is said you receive an order confirmation after 48 hours at most, so either their clock has been broken for two weeks now or either something else is going on. I mailed EMIC again today, saying that if I haven't heard from them in 24 hours, I'm going to the proper authorities. I'll let y'all know how this turns out tomorrow. Same time, same channel.

While I would be absolutely stunned if you actually got anything besides a PDF confirmation, please report back on your outcome. I hope you are able to recover some of what you paid, since I expect this is a full on fraud. Sorry to be so negative........

That would be a Centaur WarRunner Hoof Stomp stun.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 09, 2015, 06:37:51 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if Michał Krawczyszyn was nothing more than a Polish wood carver?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: sidehack on February 09, 2015, 02:25:42 PM
Never trust a man with that many consonants.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 09, 2015, 02:52:59 PM
Never trust a man with that many consonants.

What if the man is a wannabe consonantnautski desiring to go to the moon via sales stemming from his heavily-SSL-cert-laden website? Or, was EMIC grounded due to said weight once realized via renderings scribed on a whiteboard after some initial funding trickled in?


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: rualpema on February 12, 2015, 11:43:14 AM
Good morning guys.
with so many sites to sell bitcoin machines.
which reliable?
those that we pay, and we are not deceived.
I leave here some sites where they sell machines.
who know who are reliable.


http://asicminer-shop.de/Home

http://hashra.com/

http://www.gawminers.com/

http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/

http://www.antminerdistribution.com/

http://buy-antminer.com/

https://www.protact.net

https://www.achilleslabs.com/shop/

https://www.hashcoins.com/

https://www.minerslab.com/     99% fraud

https://bitmaintech.com/product.htm

https://emic.com.pl/en/      99% fraud

http://holybitcoin.com/

http://www.xbtec.io/

http://www.visionman.com/product_info_2.php?products_id=9310

http://bitmine.ch/product/coincraft-desk-gen2/

http://technobit.eu/index.php

http://www.bithashminer.com/


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: TheRealSteve on February 12, 2015, 02:08:35 PM
with so many sites to sell bitcoin machines.
which reliable?

This should be a new topic, rather than posted as a reply to 3 threads (so far).  There were two existing threads along this sort of line before (CoinCanary's old thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176262.0) and xstr8guy's The Scam List thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=366659.0) that picked up from there but has since been abandoned as well (pointing to Dogie's Mfr. Trustworthiness thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0) instead - also see Bicknellski's miner sellers thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=799423)).  Plus there's BitcoinScammers(.com) but that hasn't seen any updates in a while either.

That said, a lot of information is on the forums already and can easily be found.

These three make their own chip, their own miners, and sell primarily - if not exclusively - from stock:
  • bitmaintech.com
  • iasicminer.com / asicminer-shop.de - german reseller, trusted member
  • spondoolies-tech.com
If you're in a position to buy from them direct, and there's no compelling reason to buy from a (local) reseller otherwise (discount, faster shipping, support in your own language, desire to support the local economy), these are certainly your best bet in terms of legitimacy.
I'll add to that list: canaan-creative.com / ehash.com (Avalon miners) and gridseed.com (Gridseed miners, though they're mostly focused on Scrypt now).  There's a few other big ones - BitFury, Black Arrow, CoinTerra, HashFast, KnC - but they're all in various states of only selling chips/hardware to large farms, out-of-stock/future, Chapter 7 bankruptcy, Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and being sued left right and center respectively.

In between the above and the below, for IP claims reasons:
  • bitmine.ch - Coincraft A1 chip aka Innosilicon A1 Booster chip

These make their own miners (but not their own chips) and should be fine:
  • technobit.eu - all sorts of chips.  caveat emptor: there are some complaints against them, mostly on delays, communication
  • visionman.com - canaan creative/avalon chips. they don't seem to have strong sales
  • xbtec.io - asicminer chips. caveat emptor: their communication is lacking

These are just resellers of existing off-the-shelf miners and should be okay:
  • antminerdistribution.com
  • holybitcoin.com
  • protact.net - you can check their ebay store's feedback or if you can read german, there's tons of threads from/on them in the German section

These I wouldn't bother with until they clean up their act (reasons given):
  • gawminers.com - They used to be okay, but then Hashlets and a sh*tstorm happened.  I guess they're liquidating some assets now, but do you really want to part with money by going there? I mean, really?
  • hashcoins.com - they're only selling Scrypt miners.  Their Uranus product is still vaporware pre-order.
  • hashra.com - same as the above - the Moonraker line is still vaporware

These are unknowns (i.e. there's just no good information on them either way):
  • buy-antminer.com

These have lots of signs of being scammy and includes the three from threads you posted this in:
  • achilleslabs.com - I wouldn't chance it.  They haven't shown anything beyond renders, even though they should at least be able to take a photo of a random server case with a sticker slapped on it.  They're banking on doubt.
  • emic.com.pl - this thread
  • minerslab.com - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=883534
  • bithashminer.com - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=944406

I have to say that your selection is rather haphazard.. it's not an exhaustive list ( thank goodness, or it would be much longer ;) ), nor is it a list of companies that have particularly recent activity aside from the well-knowns, and the resellers are from all over the place.. Germany vs USA vs China; You'd only look at a German reseller if you happen to live in Germany or at least Europe, and having a heavy miner shipped from the USA to Australia is probably not a good idea either.

If somebody were to make a new thread, or a new site (ideally), or felt like making a wiki entry (slightly less ideal), it should certainly be more expansive than this.  I, for one, am not volunteering ( did you see what happened to philipma? eesh. this community is harsh, man! ;) ) , and suggest Dogie and Bicknellski's threads for the time being instead.

Big ol' disclaimer:
The above is as I understand to be the current status and this can be an incorrect interpretation now, and is almost certain to be incorrect in the future.
Do your own due diligence.


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: TheRealSteve on March 27, 2015, 08:56:37 PM
Should have set a reminder - February (and then some) passed, and they gone up and disappeared.  How surprising :P


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: mindtrip on April 23, 2015, 01:22:37 PM
Should have set a reminder - February (and then some) passed, and they gone up and disappeared.  How surprising :P

Another scammer falls on his face hate to say I told you so but this one was clearly BS  :-\


Title: Re: Announcment: Brand-new miner EMIC PowerModule - 5.65 TH/s
Post by: TheRealSteve on April 23, 2015, 02:50:12 PM
Another scammer falls on his face hate to say I told you so but this one was clearly BS  :-\
It's funny seeing just how many iffy propositions are/were out there.  27 known or at least presumed to be legit ASIC developers, vs 32 known or at least presumed to have been dishonest.
Although I'm kind of surprised there were 27 good ones to begin with.  Not many remain now, of course, but then again there's some (sorta) new ones popping up.