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Title: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: TECSHARE on January 06, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
 http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Wilikon on January 06, 2015, 08:38:52 PM
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html












Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: MrTeal on January 06, 2015, 08:43:13 PM
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html
Not exactly a new story.

I never heard what happened there, is the voluntary manslaughter trial still ongoing?


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Wilikon on January 06, 2015, 09:08:13 PM
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html
Not exactly a new story.

I never heard what happened there, is the voluntary manslaughter trial still ongoing?


You never heard of it because it was not worth the covering by the media.




Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: MrTeal on January 06, 2015, 09:09:26 PM
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html
Not exactly a new story.

I never heard what happened there, is the voluntary manslaughter trial still ongoing?
You never heard of it because it was not worth the covering by the media.
Are you saying the trial is over and it wasn't reported? I remember this being in the news quite a bit early last year.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Wilikon on January 06, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
http://boingboing.net/2014/01/06/ncsummaryexecution.html
Not exactly a new story.

I never heard what happened there, is the voluntary manslaughter trial still ongoing?
You never heard of it because it was not worth the covering by the media.
Are you saying the trial is over and it wasn't reported? I remember this being in the news quite a bit early last year.


Your question, what ever happened to this case? tells me the media believe this is not worth the effort/$$ to cover it anymore.

This story does not bring much web clicks, selling newspapers anymore. It does not mean that information is hidden, but you have to make the effort to use google/bing/duck to find out about it yourself.

I thought my little image was a hint to why I believe it was not a priority. Maybe you are not an American and have never seen or heard of the rev. al sharpton or eric holder.

Some news about cop killings are more worth it than others. If 0bama does not talk about it, it is not news. It is that simple.




Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: pungopete468 on January 07, 2015, 03:50:00 AM
With 2 police witnesses and 2 civilian witnesses a Grand Jury Indictment should be the policy, not administrative leave...

4 witnesses including 2 professional police officers were in the room to watch a murderous execution by a police officer. If this is truly the situation, and the facts are as claimed; it stands to reason that a community which can't even muster an appropriate reaction against this type of event doesn't deserve to exist...

If this story is true, it makes the people of that community seem as if they were Chickens born in a Purdue factory.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: koshgel on January 07, 2015, 04:50:24 AM
Article is a bit editorialized and appealing to emotions (why does it matter if his birthday was last month?) but if the information presented is how it went down; that is pretty fucked up. There has been a string of situations lately where law enforcement will shoot dead people with mental disorders because they don't understand what is going on. There needs to be additional training to recognize and deal with those who have episodes such as this.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Wilikon on January 07, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
Article is a bit editorialized and appealing to emotions (why does it matter if his birthday was last month?) but if the information presented is how it went down; that is pretty fucked up. There has been a string of situations lately where law enforcement will shoot dead people with mental disorders because they don't understand what is going on. There needs to be additional training to recognize and deal with those who have episodes such as this.



There has been a string of situations lately where law enforcement will shoot dead people with mental disorders because they don't understand what is going on







Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Inotanewbie on January 07, 2015, 05:29:51 AM
Article is a bit editorialized and appealing to emotions (why does it matter if his birthday was last month?) but if the information presented is how it went down; that is pretty fucked up. There has been a string of situations lately where law enforcement will shoot dead people with mental disorders because they don't understand what is going on. There needs to be additional training to recognize and deal with those who have episodes such as this.



There has been a string of situations lately where law enforcement will shoot dead people with mental disorders because they don't understand what is going on






Well the reason why people with mental disorders are committed to a hospital is because they are either a danger to themselves or to others. Any time the police need to take someone to a hospital for these reasons they are in somewhat danger as the person could try something irrational to the police


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: blablahblah on January 07, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Well the reason why people with mental disorders are committed to a hospital is because they are either a danger to themselves or to others. Any time the police need to take someone to a hospital for these reasons they are in somewhat danger as the person could try something irrational to the police


Maybe the cops need to be locked up in a mental hospital? They are obviously a danger to themselves and others.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: MrTeal on January 07, 2015, 02:05:19 PM
With 2 police witnesses and 2 civilian witnesses a Grand Jury Indictment should be the policy, not administrative leave...

4 witnesses including 2 professional police officers were in the room to watch a murderous execution by a police officer. If this is truly the situation, and the facts are as claimed; it stands to reason that a community which can't even muster an appropriate reaction against this type of event doesn't deserve to exist...

If this story is true, it makes the people of that community seem as if they were Chickens born in a Purdue factory.
He was indicted by a grand jury.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/04/justice/north-carolina-slain-teen/

There hasn't been much in the news since the summer when there was some crazy stuff where the lawyer for the cop said that the mother of the victim threatened the cop's wife, which was later proven to be false.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 07, 2015, 05:15:02 PM
Police should be held to the same standards as other people in murder cases, except for one thing. Police should be executed on the spot once it has been found that they murdered someone without cause.

 >:(


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: TECSHARE on January 07, 2015, 05:53:37 PM
With 2 police witnesses and 2 civilian witnesses a Grand Jury Indictment should be the policy, not administrative leave...

4 witnesses including 2 professional police officers were in the room to watch a murderous execution by a police officer. If this is truly the situation, and the facts are as claimed; it stands to reason that a community which can't even muster an appropriate reaction against this type of event doesn't deserve to exist...

If this story is true, it makes the people of that community seem as if they were Chickens born in a Purdue factory.
He was indicted by a grand jury.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/04/justice/north-carolina-slain-teen/

There hasn't been much in the news since the summer when there was some crazy stuff where the lawyer for the cop said that the mother of the victim threatened the cop's wife, which was later proven to be false.
He was convicted of manslaughter. What a joke.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 01:05:14 AM
i hate this country


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 12:07:51 PM
i hate this country

If it is the U.S. you hate, why? Because of freedom?

It is the freedom of this country that allows government to attempt to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. It is the freedom of this country that allows the people to be deceived by government... if they want... or NOT if they don't want.

Built into the backbone of the United States - the Constitution - are three little strengths that maintain freedom for the people, individually, against government if they so desire. These are: 1) the right to be a man/woman rather than a contract/agreement; 2) the right to contract into and out of government, as well as entirely without government; 3) the right to trial by jury, which includes facing your accuser and making him/her/it prove that you are the one being accused, that there was harm or damage done, and that you are the one who did it.

When the cop shoots your son or daughter dead, was it the police officer position that did it? That is, was it the contract between the man and the police department that he works for that did it? Or was it the man behind the uniform and badge that pulled the trigger. Make a claim for the return of your property against the man and against his bond. If he won't (can't) give you your property back, require payment in the maximum form that the State will allow.

We the people have allowed ourselves to fall into such a state of legal stupidity, that it won't be easy climbing back out. If we don't start to educate ourselves now, we just might lose the ability to protect ourselves altogether.

If you need a shot of hope in your "arm," start here http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/lectures/introduction/index.html by listening to these 3 audios. Then go through everything that is here http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/foundation.htm. Then peruse the whole http://1215.org/ website.

After you go through the three audios in the first link of the previous paragraph, and before you go through everything in the second link, listen to the 10 Youtube videos shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D for the kind of practical application of the things that are listed at http://1215.org/ that make it all work.

If you still don't think that there is anything that you can do about your pathetic situation, listen to and then download this audio http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-932424.mp3 to see that people are starting to wake up. These are real people... people who have a gripe against government. And they are using the info at the above links to turn government around for themselves.

Start! Do it!

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 05:48:10 PM
If it is the U.S. you hate, why? Because of freedom?
do you honestly believe freedom still exists in the US?

i don't.

it's more like the illusion of freedom.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: koshgel on January 08, 2015, 08:18:18 PM
If it is the U.S. you hate, why? Because of freedom?
do you honestly believe freedom still exists in the US?

i don't.

it's more like the illusion of freedom.

It does if you're white and have money   ;)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
HA - well said.

having money isn't enough to have freedom though, you need control and influence too.

the only ones who are truly free in this country is the bankers who control the federal reserve.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: koshgel on January 08, 2015, 08:39:58 PM
HA - well said.

having money isn't enough to have freedom though, you need control and influence too.

the only ones who are truly free in this country is the bankers who control the federal reserve.

Those bankers are untouchable. Lose billions and they get even more money cause they are "too big too fail" - Whatever that means.

But even the ultra-rich like Bill Gates can have laws literally changed for their own convenience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959#.22Gates_959.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_and_Display

The Porsche 959 was not street legal in the US but Gates along with his army of lawyers was able to change this law single-handedly so he would be able to drive it

I guess you could say Gates has a bit of control and influence though  :D


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 08:44:22 PM
cool story, i don't mind this one though cause he isn't hurting anybody.

but ya, gates definitely has power and influence. he isn't your average white guy with money.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: Jammalan the Prophet on January 08, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
HA - well said.

having money isn't enough to have freedom though, you need control and influence too.

the only ones who are truly free in this country is the bankers who control the federal reserve.

Those bankers are untouchable. Lose billions and they get even more money cause they are "too big too fail" - Whatever that means.

But even the ultra-rich like Bill Gates can have laws literally changed for their own convenience

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959#.22Gates_959.22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_and_Display

The Porsche 959 was not street legal in the US but Gates along with his army of lawyers was able to change this law single-handedly so he would be able to drive it

I guess you could say Gates has a bit of control and influence though  :D

The "Gates 959" was stored for 13 years by the Customs Service at the Port of Seattle, until regulations were changed to allow "Autos of Interest" to be imported with severe limitations on their use


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 09:17:20 PM
If it is the U.S. you hate, why? Because of freedom?
do you honestly believe freedom still exists in the US?

i don't.

it's more like the illusion of freedom.

Complete freedom doesn't exist anywhere. A simple little test that anybody and everybody can do to show himself/herself that complete freedom doesn't exist is this. Go outside some bright, moonlit night - some night when the moon is full or nearly so - and jump to the moon. No! I mean it. Go do it. Jump as hard as you can, and see how many tries that it takes before you can to jump to the moon.

There isn't any such thing as complete and total freedom. The closest that we have to it is the freedom to follow the laws of nature in the best ways possible. This freedom includes allowing others to have freedom just the same as you do, without harming them or damaging their property.

The framers of the U.S. Constitution understood this. They also understood that there would be bad people who would not follow the freedom of allowing other people their freedom. They understood that some of these bad people would get into government, and try to use the very government that they were setting up for freedom, to take the freedom away from other people. So, these founding fathers placed into the heart of the Constitution the things that I am showing you in the links that I mention, above - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836.

It isn't easy, and it won't be, at least not until people wake up to the freedom that they have, and government people wake up to the fact that they are only going to hurt themselves if they try to take freedom away from the rest of the people. It won't simply jump into your lap, freedom I mean. You need to go to the links and learn. Then you need to expand your knowledge beyond the links.

Start!  Do it!  Or are you scared of freedom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10 ?

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 09:54:33 PM
The closest that we have to it is the freedom to follow the laws of nature in the best ways possible.
we don't have this freedom. the government controls the land. they don't follow the laws of nature. they destroy the land for resources and we don't get any say about it. they dictate where you can live. where you can grow crops. where you can fish. what you can hunt. they even made it illegal to collect rain water.

This freedom includes allowing others to have freedom just the same as you do, without harming them or damaging their property.
we don't have this freedom either. examples, the right to die. gun control. prohibition. illegal to consume crops that grow naturally out of the ground. illegal to own certain animals.

i decided to google the definition of freedom......

the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.
>the only freedom we have here is thought. if you say something a cop of judge doesn't like you will go to jail. you might even end up an enemy of the state and jailed for life without a trial.  

absence of subjection to foreign domination or despotic government.
>the only part here we have is the "foreign" government. our government is both dominant and tyrannical.

the state of not being imprisoned or enslaved.
>social security numbers. debt system. taxes. and the highest incarceration rate in the world.

sure, we have the freedom to jump at the moon and do mundane shit that does not matter. but we don't have the freedom to do most of the things that do matter.

i stand by my statement, freedom in the US is an illusion.

https://i.imgur.com/cQScthH.png


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 10:01:27 PM
Okay. Since you don't want freedom enough to start taking it, you don't have it. I accept.  :)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 10:03:53 PM
i nor you can "take" our freedom back. the only way that will work is if all of us fight for it but americans as a whole are too conditioned to do anything about it.

and if the day comes that we actually decide to fight and take back this country, i would leave cause i don't give a fuck about this country and i won't lose my life for it.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 10:10:31 PM
i nor you can "take" our freedom back. the only way that will work is if all of us fight for it and the people as a whole are too conditioned to do anything about it. and if the day comes that we have to fight for more freedom, i would leave cause i don't give a fuck about this country and i won't lose my life for it.

Exactly what I am talking about in my links at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=917252.msg10080165#msg10080165. I have started by learning the techniques that are working for others.

Certainly I wouldn't want to take your freedom away if you want to leave. But you better not earn any money abroad, because the U.S. government wants to take your freedom away so that you have to pay taxes, even from abroad. That means that you will still have to fight, even if you move abroad.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 10:14:29 PM
we can renounce our citizenship. the united states would have no further control of us.

also, regarding the things you were talking about in your other post. i have seen people talking about how we are not legally obligated to pay taxes. and from what i hear they are correct. but that won't stop them from throwing you in jail for an imaginary crime. kent hovind was a preacher who collected donations for his church. he decided to play that game and not pay taxes. they threw him in jail and he is still locked up to this day.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
we can renounce our citizenship. the united states would have no further control of us.

Wrong!

If you look into it, the U.S. has recently instituted laws that say that you are still liable even if you renounce you citizenship. In other words, they aren't letting you renounce your citizenship freely. You still have to pay throughout your lifetime. Perhaps your kids born in other lands might be free.

If you renounce your citizenship, you are saying you are or were a citizen. Rather, don't acknowledge citizenship or residency. Instead, simply be domiciled on the land. The legal ramifications go back to the original meanings of the words, because the words don't change meaning in law like they do in common usage.

I used to think like you. But I have found out that the best freedom is right here, in the United States of America.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 10:23:26 PM
from what i hear, you only pay an "exit tax" if you have acquired a certain amount of wealth while a resident in the country.

if you have dual citizenship and make money in another country you still have to pay tax to the US.

but once you renounce your citizenship they are done with you in every way and you are no longer able to enter the country.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 10:30:50 PM
from what i hear, you only pay an "exit tax" if you have acquired a certain amount of wealth while a resident in the country. once you renounce your citizenship they are done with you in every way and you are no longer able to enter the country.

You may be right. I am not the expert on taxation. Still, if you move to a non-common law country, you are tossing away more freedom than you know.

I don't entirely disagree with you. I enjoy the idea of some of the Latin American countries.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
i'm cool with being a drifter. i like the idea of bouncing around the world. once i have permanent residence and apply for a new passport i can go anywhere i want. and what's nice about the EU is you can get to most countries by their rail system. i can go to amsterdam for a few years, then UK, ireland, paris, italy, switzerland. seeing the world sounds alot better than rotting in the US. australia and new zealand is gonna be my first destination.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 10:56:51 PM
Good. Do it while you have the chance. Excitement.   8)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 11:02:17 PM
Do it while you have the chance.
some people are worried if things get real bad they won't allow people in or out of the country.

i'm just waiting for my grandma to pass. she is my only responsibility. once she is gone so am i.


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 11:29:15 PM
Do it while you have the chance.
some people are worried if things get real bad they won't allow people in or out of the country.

i'm just waiting for my grandma to pass. she is my only responsibility. once she is gone so am i.

Subscribe to Simon Black's Sovereign Man http://www.sovereignman.com/. You can get it free, or you can sign up for a paid subscription. Lots of info there.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 11:45:17 PM
have you seen this guy? he's a boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuy_2Cq8HAA


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 08, 2015, 11:52:14 PM
have you seen this guy? he's a boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuy_2Cq8HAA

Yes, I have watched this several times. Ernie wound up doing time. The reason was that he didn't know how to use the basics of common law to:
1. require that his accuser be a man or woman;
2. get the accuser on the stand for questioning and verification;
3. verify that the accuser had no harm or damage done to him/her/it;
4. verify that there was a contract with Ernie's signature on it, by revealing it.

In retrospect, if Ernie had been denied a common law court by illegal activity of the courts, he can win a suit for a ton of money... if he does it right.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 08, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
do you have any information about people using the "sovereign citizen" defense in court and winning?


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: BADecker on January 09, 2015, 12:04:25 AM
The links in my post at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916456.msg10079836#msg10079836 will lead you to some. But it won't be easy researching. However, O.J. Simpson was cleared of murder by using an indirect form of common law. They couldn't pin it on him, even though everyone knows that he was guilty, because they couldn't find anyone who would verify under oath that the lab samples were always protected from contamination. This is the part of common law, even though he didn't use common law completely and simply.

If O.J. had used common law in its simple form, he would have been out of court, free long before he was.

:)


Title: Re: Cop shoots dead a tased, restrained, 100lb teen: "we don't have time for this"
Post by: WEB slicer on January 09, 2015, 12:48:21 AM
those videos of Karl Lentz were awesome.