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The more you look into the history of other doomsday dates/predictions, the more you find dead ins.

For this 2012 prediction, you find nothing but time leading to this date, through many religions and the most popular one most people know of is the Mayans. Now, I'm not saying the world will end, but I am almost convinced now that something horrible will indeed happen.

I'm sure most of you bitcoiners/programmers have heard of the "web bot" which is yet another thing on the long list that says something horrible is to happen in May of 2012..

-A second depression, triggered by mass layoffs, bankruptcies, and the popping of the derivatives bubble.
-A "data gap" has been found in 2012 running through May 2013. One explanation is that "our civilization gets knocked back to a pre-electronic state," such as brought about by devastating solar activity.
-A new benign form of capitalism will emerge during 2017–2020.[20]

If you don't know about the web bot it basically was a programmed developed in the 90s to make predictions of trends in the stock market, but was later found to have much more use than that which included predicting future events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Bot

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxFYYP8040A
I liked this commercial.  :)

It's all just a coincidence.  ;)

When people talk about the "2012 doomsday", I often pose the question:

Which world do you assume to perish in 2012 ?


If this was indeed a profecy of the good old Mayas, then it should be a profecy regarding the world of the Mayas, right? And didn't that world perrish allready?

....and while we're at this topic?


What exactly is our world ?

The world of catholics? The world of buddhists? The world of capitalism? The world of Bitcoin??

World usually means this ball of dirt we are traveling on through the universe.

One world that is being destroyed is the economic world. It is failing fast.

i think 2012 will be a self fulfilling prophecy, things will go to shit because everyone knows it will

somewhat yes, not really.

The fact is, World has lost the clear meaning it had in former days.
Today it could denote the planet, it could mean the universe, or it could be your universe, or [add anything here you consider as the whole ].

"The world" has become something relative, and thus any reasoning about a "doomsday" is relative as well.
Letting asside that even the term "doomsday" is a religious term, and only a fraction of people are religious. This has beocome something of taste and fashion, it has lost its fundamental nature and thus became relative. You can believe into whatever you want, and thus you can believe in whatever you want to perrish ;)



full ack!

AFAIR from some docus Mayan calendar is simply supposed to start a new cycle or something like that in 2013, that's why 2012 has been misinterpreted as the end of the world date.
Other than that self fulfilling prohpecy like ^ said sounds probable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OTsYfTt-c

The thing is the list of bad happenings for 2012 have nothing to do with 2012. There is no significance to the date. Im sure enough to offer a bet on the subject. Takers?

Say if I win it's 3BTC, if I loose 50 rounds of ammo?

Mayan prophecy: The world won’t end, as a newfound calendar goes on and on and on (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/mayan-prophecy-the-world-wont-end-as-a-newfound-calendar-goes-on-and-on-and-on/2012/05/10/gIQA03s3FU_story.html)

"In a striking find, archaeologists in Guatemala report the discovery of a small building whose walls display not only a stunningly preserved mural of a brightly adorned Mayan king, but also calendars that destroy any notion that the Mayans predicted the end of the world in 2012.

These deep-time calendars can be used to count thousands of years into the past and future, countering pop-culture and New Age ideas that Mayan calendars ended on Dec. 21, 2012, (or Dec. 23, depending on who’s counting), thereby predicting the end of the world..."

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The Mayan calendar is cyclical; there is no end date.
And as someone touched on, if the Mayans were so good at prophecy why couldn't they see the end of their own civilization?

I am sorry, but your post is completely nonsense.

The most amazing part is that always someone cite the Mayan calendar but it give the end date using the Gregorian calendar...

So, do you even know why the Gregorian and the Mayan calendar was invented?

If you do not, here is a good start to understand why calendars were not invented to predict catastrophes:

http://galileo.rice.edu/chron/gregorian.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar

http://www.pauahtun.org/Calendar/basic.html

We'll see soon enough.....

Correct,  not the Mayan calender, Nibiru, sun flare eruptions or pole shifts.... just good ole man-made chaos.

I've scoped up on the Mayans many times. I just cannot see this happening in 2012, I don't believe they're even in the bible. If they are correct me. Say like the w2k bug that didn't happen.

Were here to stay as long as till man made natural occurrences take place. The Atlantic ocean is warming up, the west of usa is at its all time peak of burning, 9 times more than normal. Snow and cold weather isn't as what it use to be. Polar bears are out of ice caps and swimming farther than they ever have done before and most dieing from drowning. Our coal burning plants, fuel burning vehicles, wild fires, failed nuc plants, BP and their shit with the gulf are just eating this planet alive. At sometime, the earth is going to revenge itself, at what point? maybe @ your children's children lifetime. Who knows but I doubt in a few months. And it's way to late to turn back, the damage to the earth is done.

The Mayans are not in the Bible because the people who conceived of the bible (the Romans) had no idea they existed. Just like they had no idea they were on a planet in space.

I'm tempted to take you up on that, but what if 12/21/12 is the date that Bitcoin becomes the defacto world currency? Then you will have lost, as there was significance to the date, but in that event I'd rather have the BTC than the ammo.

Which events are used to calibrate the calendar, i.e. synch it with our own so that we can convert 13.1.1.1.1 to Nov 1, 2011 (as some said) or other Julian calendar day? 

The bible was not exactly produced by the Romans, although one or more writers were Roman citizens. The bible was conceived in three languages:


The Romans used to speak and write in Latin:

Not events, just pure mathematics:

Now as we have found this Higgs thing, what is live on this planet good for anymore?
So simply save some effort and shut the experiment down.
That is what will happen at the end of this year.

At the end of a "bactun" I think they got up and moved, spreading them selves out very thin. OR, they killed each other off because only 1 in 50,000 was actually smart.... Just like in real life :)

I was oversimplifying. But it was emperor Constantine who produced "the Bible". Prior to that the cannon of religious writings used by Christians was much more diverse and without standardization. The Romans loved standards and upon adopting Christanity as the official religion they needed some rules and a book to keep it all strait.
So, church leaders and government officials reviewed the stories that were being told by followers throught the empire and picked what they liked. Stories not in line with Roman sensibilities were thrown out or changed. For example Lillith, Marry Magdalen, Thecla; These women were deemed too powerful to be a Bible. Their stories were changed or droped completely.
In any case the early Christians had no bible. It was created by a government from scraps of Sumarian and other cultural traditions.

So more or less the bible is a bunch of hogwash?

I think it is an amazing work of philosophy from the ancient world. A document about how people should relate to one another, and for it's time, a very futeristic and powerful liberation theology. like the bahgvadgida, the Koan, the book of the dead, and too many others to mention they are compelling views into the minds of people from long ago. Much of the old testament is taken from even older civilizations, perhaps back to the very start of ciivilization. Consider the story of Noah and the ark. If you read the older story of Gilgamesh you can see it is the same. Gilgamesh is Sumarian. Who knows, but that flood story could go back to a real event in one of the first cities ten thousand years ago. I doubt floods were as troublesome for hunter gatherers, but if you build a city floods can sweep away the whole world. The end of the ice ages would have seen a lot of flooding. A story like that would remind future urban dwellers of the importance of preparing for floods.



The Bible is also a living doccument that influences our world view today. Concepts like "the golden rule" are basic to our understanding of law and justice. In the new testament Jesus serves as a model for our better selves. Kind, loving, helpful to the poor, sick, and misunderstood. The old stories, like the flood, are also powerfull and eternal metaphors. So I would say not at all hogwash. It contains important and priceless knowledge.

Thank you for the update, I was not aware of this facts.

They predicted the stupid EU on the other side of the planet would blow up.

ECB is now lending at 0. Yes, that's zero. Hollande is trying to fix France with tax raises instead of spending cuts. See how that'll work out. Italy is fucked on debt and out of luck, Spain's banks are broken, and now they all hit on Germany's last bastion to finally break it. Didn't work fast enough, so a few days ago, they took the ECB instead.

Well, whatever they wanted to predict, this one is going down.

Something horrible happens every day.

If we want to set the bar that low anyone here can predict the future.

Also even if the Mayan calandar ended on a certain day, why would that signify the end of the world?

I think I have a 2012 Dilbert day-to-day calendar laying around somewhere that ends on Dec 31 2012 .... oh my god panic!!!!!

The end of the age of man, the start of the age of :
)the apes
)robot overlords
)reptillians
)zeitgeisters
)smelly hippy overlords
)right wing extremists
)left wing extremists
)militant moderates
)internet law

I put my vote with the smelly hippy overlords, for sheer absurdity factor.

^ me too.....

You're not serious I hope. 
Here's some JS from your site:
 
      // snip ... 
      this.mayaday=Math.round(this.modSeconds);
      this.mayaday/=86400;
      this.mayaday+=2440588;
      this.mayaday=Math.floor(this.mayaday);
      this.mayaday-=584285;


Tell me where those integers come from please. 
You very much need an agreed upon event (such that we know the date of the event in both calendars) to synch them. 

Sure, it takes math to convert temperature from C to F also, but i you didn't know that 0C = 32F or 100C = 212F?   

It's my understanding that the Mayan calendar is based upon certain astronomical events, though I don't recall which ones.

It is not my Internet page. Anyway...


...and...


...and...


...this are the initial clues to answer your enquires.

 8)


It is "you" or "I" that "didn't know that 0C = 32F or 100C = 212F"?

 ::)

Thanks for your answer.

However when they say it is  "usually referenced" it doesn't really answer my question.  What happened on that day that was written about using both calendars? 

 

Well, I found this...
But that really doesn't provide a good reasoning for syncing the Mayan calendar with that date.

The Book Of Knowledge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar) has this to say:

Following one of the references from that article, (specifically, #8) we find this:
We get a good reasoning for the date, if not the year.

The year correlation was apparently done via computer analysis, as found later in that same article...
So there you go. The Mayans told us the date, by telling us the date (in long count) that it was enacted.

Thanks for sharing your research!   Are you convinced that the synching of the two calendars is accurate?  I'm sure not.  A few years ago I did some research on this topic, and found that there were different researchers (you mention Goodman-Martinez-Thompson who are one set) who had different synchronizations and hence different Gregorian days for 13.0.0.0.0.0.  One group said that the new long count began in fall of 2011.  Each had some kind of extremely tenuous connection making the link between calendars.  The "computer analysis" there seems entirely obuscatory, only intended to impress idiots.  Similar to McKenna's timewave zero perhaps?  Anyway, thanks again and good luck in the new long count whenever it may begin :D 

For my money, it's close enough. Of course, I attribute no more significance to 13.0.0.0.0.0 than I do to Dec. 31st, or Friday the 13th, for that matter.