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Post by: jjames888 on July 16, 2012, 07:42:40 AM
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Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on July 16, 2012, 07:54:48 AM
As an agorist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agorism), I'd probably place myself somewhere about here:

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/146411/graph.jpg

Honestly, probably along the bottom edge of that box somewhere. ;)


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Slushpuppy on July 16, 2012, 08:40:13 AM
As bottom right as it goes


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: scribe on July 16, 2012, 10:24:10 AM
Depends on how much sleep I've had.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: ribuck on July 16, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
jjames88, it's unfortunate that you used the terms "left/right", which have different meanings to different people.

I'm guessing your intention is that the vertical axis reflects personal freedom (bottom is completely free, top is completely un-free), and the horizontal axis reflects economic freedom (left is completely unfree, right is completely free).


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: ribuck on July 16, 2012, 10:33:00 AM
myrkul, how can an agorist like yourself not lean more towards economic freedom? That does not compute.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Deafboy on July 16, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.12&soc=-4.41

You should take the whole test at www.politicalcompass.org before posting a result.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: BrightAnarchist on July 16, 2012, 12:54:58 PM
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.12&soc=-4.41

You should take the whole test at www.politicalcompass.org before posting a result.

Just took it and basically got the same score as you, about 2 boxes further to the right.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: swissmate on July 16, 2012, 01:22:47 PM
This one's cooler

http://i45.tinypic.com/33yroco.png


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: niemivh on July 16, 2012, 03:54:51 PM
I'm not an ideologue so this chart doesn't apply to me.  It is titled (obviously) in favor of modern day precedents regarding what people think the political spectrum is, rather than what it once was and what it should return to being.

In addition, you should make the chart 3-dimensional, because it would actually reflect how these decisions are actually made - with the following metrics:

The X-axis would be:  Stupidity  -->  Intelligence
The Y-axis would be:  Ignorance -->  Wisdom
The Z-axis would be:  Moral Depravity -->  Moral Virtue

This would make a much better chart where the entirety of the ideological spectrum would be a quadrant tending toward the primitive and irrational area of thought.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on July 16, 2012, 04:01:56 PM
myrkul, how can an agorist like yourself not lean more towards economic freedom? That does not compute.

Well, I actually took the test this time, and came up much more "right" than I placed myself.... I think the difference is in the definition of left/right. I view left as being radical, and right as conservative, where clearly they define it more along the lines of economic freedoms.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: grantbdev on July 16, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Some of those questions are really not relevant.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-7.12&soc=-8.41


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: niemivh on July 16, 2012, 08:57:01 PM
I'm not an ideologue so this chart doesn't apply to me.  It is titled (obviously) in favor of modern day precedents regarding what people think the political spectrum is, rather than what it once was and what it should return to being.

In addition, you should make the chart 3-dimensional, because it would actually reflect how these decisions are actually made - with the following metrics:

The X-axis would be:  Stupidity  -->  Intelligence
The Y-axis would be:  Ignorance -->  Wisdom
The Z-axis would be:  Moral Depravity -->  Moral Virtue

This would make a much better chart where the entirety of the ideological spectrum would be a quadrant tending toward the primitive and irrational area of thought.
Read the facts to understand the logic behind the graph. http://www.politicalcompass.org/faq

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Already intimately familiar with it.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: d'aniel on July 16, 2012, 09:26:40 PM
This sub-forum really makes me appreciate the value of political frontiers.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Comepradz on July 16, 2012, 10:01:17 PM
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.50&soc=-7.54


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: BrightAnarchist on July 16, 2012, 10:13:54 PM
A lot of the questions were misleading...

For example, I came across far more economically leftist in this study than I should have. Questions like "is it okay if profit is the only goal for a corporation" and I said no since it depends on how it generates those profits: justly, or unjustly? For example, a cult or MLM scam harms many people even though it's a business in the free market.

But just because I think corporations do have social responsibility, it doesn't mean that I think the government needs to be involved. I don't even think corporations should exist as they do now anyway; they're an invention of government. In the end, I basically desire some of the same end-results that a lot of the left wants (good medical care for everyone, etc.), it's just that I believe the only means to get there is through freedom, not big government.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: grantbdev on July 16, 2012, 11:18:27 PM

Finally a fellow left-libertarian  8)


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Scott J on July 16, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
Here's mine.

I think I was slightly more in the corner a couple of years ago.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-5.88&soc=-5.54


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: byronbb on July 17, 2012, 06:23:42 AM
https://i.imgur.com/vvEyU.png


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on July 17, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
Where I turned out to be, because of ambiguous questions:

Yeah... This quiz is BS. Almost all of these political quizzes are.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: swissmate on July 17, 2012, 01:11:55 PM
What the...

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-0.12&soc=-4.41


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Schleicher on July 18, 2012, 04:14:32 AM
My test result is actually more libertarian than I thought.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-3.12&soc=-4.21


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Dr. Glamorian on July 18, 2012, 06:32:51 AM
Monarchist.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: neptop on July 18, 2012, 11:57:31 AM
Libertarian and on the whole economical axis, cause I guess it doesn't depend so much on how you implement economy... or at least there could be a number of ways to make it work depending on the specifics of the society. In other words. I think a functional society could probably work with anarcho-communism just as well as anarcho-capitalism. All it really requires is people thinking for themselves.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Bjork on July 24, 2012, 10:58:59 PM
http://postimage.org/image/kzsn9ssrd/ (http://postimage.org/image/kzsn9ssrd/)

over 1000 hours in mspaint


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on July 24, 2012, 11:20:18 PM
Most telling, is this:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/charts/us2012.php

Clearly, Obama is the lesser of two evils, but he's still pretty frigging evil.

Especially when compared to his position last election:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/uscandidates2008.png

And for comparison, here are the candidates from last election (the only place I was able to find Dr. Paul's position:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png
Given his past consistency, it's reasonable to assume he hasn't shifted much in the intervening 4 years.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: nimda on July 24, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
Some of those questions are really not relevant.
Yeah, I don't see how my stance on gay marriage affects economics or how authoritarian I'm not.

Also, this:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png
Shows how far up and right the middle has shifted :-\
What was once radically right is now unspeakably left.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on July 24, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
Some of those questions are really not relevant.
Yeah, I don't see how my stance on gay marriage affects economics or how authoritarian I'm not.

Doesn't affect economics at all, but it does affect how authoritarian you are. No gay marriage: +authoritarian.

But it is kinda sad how same the political parties' positions are.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: TheButterZone on July 24, 2012, 11:53:48 PM
I'm apparently whatever my debate opponents say I am, since they like putting words in my mouth. LOL


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: dree12 on July 25, 2012, 12:50:27 AM
Call me far, far left ideoligcally (off the chart). In theory, I don't believe in property at all (everything is the property of Earth and everyone should be able to use it without restraint). Also, I'm pretty far down as well.

Practically (i.e., what I believe is the best possible), I'm here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=1.12&soc=-6.41


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: asdf on July 25, 2012, 10:38:21 PM
How do you prefer to apply the violence of the state


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: LoupGaroux on July 25, 2012, 11:09:28 PM
Some of those questions are really not relevant.
Yeah, I don't see how my stance on gay marriage affects economics or how authoritarian I'm not.

Also, this:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/usprimaries_2008.png
Shows how far up and right the middle has shifted :-\
What was once radically right is now unspeakably left.

I notice with enormous glee that I am dead on matched with Ron Paul on the chart. Which I hope is slightly to the right of Ghenghis Khan.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: Explodicle on July 25, 2012, 11:32:52 PM
The test puts me here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=2.25&soc=-6.87

But the test kept asking irrelevant questions. I really think I'm here:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-2&soc=-10

Apologies for not editing an image, I'm using a smartphone.


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: neptop on August 01, 2012, 01:15:05 PM
Even though I think this tests has some "flaws", because in most cases people might be like "depends on details", especially when you start to actually think (as in philosophy) about them. Here is my result:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-6.00&soc=-7.54


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: neptop on August 01, 2012, 01:30:14 PM
Doesn't affect economics at all, but it does affect how authoritarian you are. No gay marriage: +authoritarian.

But it is kinda sad how same the political parties' positions are.

Which is also a bit funny. A gay person, who really badly wants to marry can't be very authoritarian? What if he is the dictator and says like "uhm, I hereby forbid heterosexual couples to marry". Extreme example, but there are numerous homosexuals (no offense!) leading authoritarian parties, even if there was no outing, so...


Title: Re: Where are you ideoligcally
Post by: myrkul on August 01, 2012, 01:44:25 PM
Doesn't affect economics at all, but it does affect how authoritarian you are. No gay marriage: +authoritarian.

But it is kinda sad how same the political parties' positions are.

Which is also a bit funny. A gay person, who really badly wants to marry can't be very authoritarian? What if he is the dictator and says like "uhm, I hereby forbid heterosexual couples to marry". Extreme example, but there are numerous homosexuals (no offense!) leading authoritarian parties, even if there was no outing, so...

Well, that's a good point, but the test doesn't ask you if you would like to forbid hetero marriages in favor of gay marriages, nor (if I recall correctly) does it give you the option to get government out of marriages altogether.