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Other => Politics & Society => Topic started by: MoonShadow on July 16, 2012, 09:34:46 PM



Title: All about bitcoin except in name
Post by: MoonShadow on July 16, 2012, 09:34:46 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2012/07/08/july-4th-question-part-iii-americans-revolt-billions-of-times-a-day/

Really about the 'System D' economy, of which Bitcoin is a small part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D


Title: Re: All about bitcoin except in name
Post by: myrkul on July 16, 2012, 11:47:11 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2012/07/08/july-4th-question-part-iii-americans-revolt-billions-of-times-a-day/

Really about the 'System D' economy, of which Bitcoin is a small part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D

Also known as Counter-economics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-economics).


Title: Re: All about bitcoin except in name
Post by: MoonShadow on July 17, 2012, 12:07:32 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2012/07/08/july-4th-question-part-iii-americans-revolt-billions-of-times-a-day/

Really about the 'System D' economy, of which Bitcoin is a small part.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D

Also known as Counter-economics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-economics).

I don't know if I quite agree.  The thing is that counter-economics or agorism is a deliberate action on the part of the parties engaged in business, as a means of undermining the health of the state.  While agorism could be included in System D, not all such System D economic activity could be considered agorism; since most of it is simply economic actors avoiding the state for personal reasons, not political activism.


Title: Re: All about bitcoin except in name
Post by: myrkul on July 17, 2012, 12:29:22 AM
I don't know if I quite agree.  The thing is that counter-economics or agorism is a deliberate action on the part of the parties engaged in business, as a means of undermining the health of the state.  While agorism could be included in System D, not all such System D economic activity could be considered agorism; since most of it is simply economic actors avoiding the state for personal reasons, not political activism.

Konkin's opinion (and I agree) was that any economic activity where the state was avoided intentionally was counter-economics, but most people who did so just didn't know. Personal or political goals, the result is the same. You're right that it's not necessarily Agorism, though, Agorism is the purposeful seeking of counter-economic activity for political goals.