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Hi,
First of all , this is an open discussion thread and I hope theymos or anyone else won't take this personally :p just trying to know what the community thinks about this.
So who are the people who do you think they know Satoshi Nakamoto face to face or only via Internet (like know him before the whole  Bitcoin project for years) .
If I  had to choose , then I would say  Sirius (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4) (As you can see he is a very very early adopter looking at his profile ID) and the same thing goes for  Theymos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35) , I personally can't handle the fact that someone like Satoshi will give full access to domains & Administrations for just couple of random people that he knows on his forums .

What do you guys think ? or people that you think they know satoshi ..

~ Madness

1. Hal Finney

2. Gavin Andersen/Bell

3. nobody at all because it's a totally made up name used by a group

I don't know , maybe you have right...  satoshi  "knew" ( not face-to-face) sirius for a long time before the project started.

Maybe its right  ;D

Maybe they are close to him or some what like that

I heard he likes free lunches.

you can't know this

It's likely nobody knows who he is even the admins of this forum. There's a good reason he's anonymous and was clearly careful about remaining that way. I think speculating about him is always fun, though.

What if theymos/sirius is satoshi's alt account?  Mind blow.

Theymos & Sirius Real names are given and known to public . so that will make Satoshi a group of people and not only one person ... and honestly I don't think he is that dumb to give his real idendity and think that people won't know that he is one of the staff members . so nah .. don't think so

~ Madness

Well, we're never ever going to now about what actually happened to him unless he(satoshi) steps forward and explains. Theymos bans everyone who doxx's him, which gives me a huge suspicion that he's affiliated with satoshi more than just being a forum administrator.

Why people wants to know who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Just to satatiate our stupid curiosity? It seems it's imposible to have a week in this forum without someone asking about Satoshi. In my opinion, the best way to thanks Satoshi for creating Bitcoin is allowing he/she/they to stay anonymous (and stopping to create shitcoins).

Curiousity is the only way humans survive. Curiosity drives us.

Yes, but this is an useless curiosity. Discovering who is Satoshi will improve the science? Will stop the death of children in Africa? Will stop wars? Will develop the economy?

Will stop his curiosity (for sure).

I agree it is useless, but it's always nice to know the answer. It gives you the best feel satisfaction, please tell me you have felt that before.

is it even confirmed that they knew him irl?
even pictures of him?

I dont think so, it was only a nickname.

A popular proverb curisoity in my country says that curiosity kills the cats.  :)

Well I don't see any harm if I as an individual find out his identity, I'm not going to do anything. But that's a very good point raised.

He will remain anonymous. It was designed that way a long time ago..........

Satoshi was anonymous for a reason:

Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

*Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

NOTE: When you research where he could have came from, you find the hidden history and knowledge that really explains The Bitcoin Revolution....that's what the search is really all about......

The best thread I've seen on this subject:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890233.msg10321992#msg10321992

It will involve you in researching true uncensored history........

"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past."

That quote is not just from an X-Man movie.....

Its from a dystopian novel Titled "1984" by George Orwell published in 1949.

The statement is saying that history is written by the victors. Basically, we are taught by powers of the present how to view the past, and our views of the past affect how we endeavor to build the future.

It is the victor who writes the history books, controls the press, frames your point of view and offers things to you that you do not need or want.

So with the "who the f@#k cares" attitude we give the victor of the present total control of all messages from the past which will influence the people to build the future of the victors desire..... instead of one with freedom, equality and safety that we all deserve and could strive to achieve through unaltered history and knowledge.

The Concept of Bitcoin:

The Internet and Bitcoin were created to allow people to solve social problems in a novel way: Instead of the ancient formula of “the strongest wins and then beats the crap out of the loser” we all can achieve a peaceful society where both rich and poor, strong and weak can protect their property and freedom on more equal grounds without relying on violent institutions like governments.


Note: Satoshi intentionally left a lot of information hidden for us to find, you just have to take the opportunity to assess the structure and think with an open mind.

*One of the first places where Satoshi Nakamoto mentioned bitcoin was at the P2PFoundation.ning.com.

When you register there, you have to give your birthdate.

Satoshi gave April 5th 1975.

April 5th was one of the most significant dates in history. On that day in 1933, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed Executive Order 6102, which made it illegal for American citizens to own gold.

So what happened in 1975?

1975 was the year it became legal for American citizens to own gold again.

1. Those that do know him are valiant in their efforts to protect his identity for a reason. Either they are promised a portion of his stash if they do not reveal his identity, or more likely the revelation of who he is can destroy Bitcoin itself.

2. He is most likely alive or I think his coins would be spent. Don't be mistaken he has the Private keys and if he dies someone else will have them.

3. He wanted to change the world. His plans are huge, he is part of that plan and will be back.

I Disagree on the first point , there is always one betrayer out there ... so I don't think he promissed them anything .. he probably knew them very well which made trust 100% between them
Still ... Looking to see more names from other people .

~ Madness

Here's a question(s) for you: When was the earliest that folks started inquiring about his identity, and how did Satoshi address said questions if at all? Further, why did Satoshi feel it prudent to be anonymous when all he did was approval upon previous work, enough so that his efforts gained traction, albeit not immediately?

I don't knows. But do we look for people who personally know or have known Linus Trovalds, in internet forums ? A networking cocktail may be a more appropriate place to look for such folks, isn't it ?

Pretty sure nothing happened to him , he is the one controlling the Bitcoin.org website as far as I know , beside looking at his last posts and at his signature , seems like he is working on a new project => http://identifi.org/ , It's sort of a Peer to peer Identify system or something , and the project is open source see the Github here : https://github.com/identifi/identifi

~ Madness

No, I dont think Hal and Gavin ever saw satoshi's face.

I really don't understand this Satoshi Nakamoto fetishism, what difference does it make who he is?

These people knows Satoshi Nakamoto :
1. God
2. Himself
3. His Family
4. His Friends

But, to find & ask them is pretty difficult

For those Sherlock Hohmes who want to find Satoshi N,  the bitcoin founding Father, just look around at the Charities around the world and if you found a donor that give 100 BTC or more  in one shot, it is most likely Satoshi himself.   Now go find him and come back to forum with his picture and share with us.  ;D

I think in the rise and rise of bitcoin, gavin said he has no idea who satoshi is. given his facial expression and behaviour I am pretty sure he was lying.

We just covered this VERY thoroughly in another thread....I think it covers everything with links to all facts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890233.msg10321992#msg10321992

This video is kind of funny because as Gavin is explaining what really happened with Satoshi, there is a guy(Legendary Member) in full conspiracy mode talking right over what Gavins trying to tell us. This may be the point that Gavin and Satoshi decided to let the stories run wild, because this video shows the conspiracy theories are more fascinating than the truth that Gavin was trying to let us know.

Start @01:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDRwgbWkxFw

+1

We need moar topics about Satoshi!!11 Every day! Every hour!
Who knows Satoshi?
Who saw Satoshi?
Who held him by hand?

Satoshi is like the architect in the matrix. He is inside a room with tons of monitors only accessible through being the one.

Satoshi is Nick szabo and company and Vitalik has "spoken with him in person"

What proof do you or vitalik have? vitalik has said a lot of things that i dont believe.

I know him...

Everyone here is talking and imagining things. They dont know what the hell they are talking about. "oh i saw satoshi this or that". All lies. Satoshi is anonymous as hell IMO.

...and what do you think if karpeles is Satoshi ? Would it be a bad/shock news for you?

I would sell everything and leave.

Based on my observations on the forum, a few that have a better than average chance..
1. Gavin
2. theymos
3. sirius

Your joking me, you really think Theymos is really trying to hide, whe he released the DPR subpena he had his full name on it.
If his does ban people fox doxxing him then good, we all deserve our privacy.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890233.msg10321992#msg10321992
I think we came to a good consensus in the thread linked above that BitCoin was mostly created in the comment sections of the "Nanobarter", "BitGold" & "BitGold-Markets" blogs. What happened in private emails and Meet-ups may never be known. Szabo & Zooko or maybe Jim McCoy or Hal? We may never know. IMHO...Nick Szabo's "BitGold" and Hal Finney's "RPOW" along with Jim McCoys "MojoNation" and Adam Back's "HashCash" made all this possible in one way or another. They had dedicated their lives since at least 1993 to bring p2p anonymous digital currency to us.
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2007/06/nanobarter.html?m=1
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2005/12/bit-gold.html?m=1
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2008/04/bit-gold-markets.html?m=1

Knowing: Having seem him in real life. I dont think none of them have seem then at all.

I'll go on record as saying I never knew a face, nor additional identifying information, to associate with the 'Satoshi' name.

I think several people have strong suspicions of Satoshi's RL identity - but nobody has evidence, and that's the way the people with strong suspicions of Satoshi's RL identity like it.

Don't expect any help outing Satoshi from anybody who might actually have a reason to suspect a particular person.

Bye the way who is he karpeles, and what he did, ? can any one tell me ?

Mark Karpeles stole about a half-billion dollars worth of Bitcoin by fucking over the people who, rather than keeping their own keys, allowed an online exchange to hold their bitcoins for them.  He's in court in Japan now, standing trial for securities fraud.  When that trial is over, both France and the US are trying to extradite him to stand trial on charges in those countries.  It turned out his online exchange leaked like a damn sieve - either into his own pockets, or as he claims into the pockets of other crooks.  Whether he personally collected the money or not though, he IS definitely a crook.  He kept right on operating the exchange fully knowing they didn't have enough coin to pay out to their traders, and knowing that more of their coin was disappearing every day.

Moral of the story:  If you want to keep your bitcoins, don't leave them sitting in an online exchange or wallet.  Some of these clowns think "fractional reserve" is an acceptable policy for a currency which is forced by protocol to remain finite.  Or, you know, they just want to steal your money.

Cryddit.

Thanks dear for giving your time and letting me know about Mark Karpeles .

appreciated

mtgox cofounder and CEO

1) Thanks for the info. You seem like a "straight shooter" so Ive always reguarded your posts as being honest.

2) I agree that the person some of us suspect did not leave enough hard evidence that could result with his "true name".

3) I don't ask those original guys(especially the ones first contacted by Satoshi) about this stuff anymore because their responses are all scripted. I can put their emails side by side and they say the same thing "word for word" *exactly* copy and paste style. Those guys are obviously part of the mystery. I won't show those emails here because they are personal emails and not public record like the ones we normally post.

Note: Sorry for quoting you in a lot of my posts, but as I stated you always seem to be straightforward and honest.

lolwut?

I'd agree with that. The Forum moderators/admins here have a higher chance of being him

It would be interesting to do a study of people who have never asked who Satoshi was. It's a burning curiosity in anyone who loves bitcoin, except maybe those who actually know him.

Most of the people who know bitcoin, think that satoshi was some famous developer involved with bitcoin, like Gavin. But its hard to be confident with that.
He could always be on the side just lurking and watching the developments happening.

If I say I know Satoshi Nakamoto or that I knew him; what would you need from me?

Be grateful for what you got from him than trying to figure out who knows him or knew him or trying to figure out who he is or was. If he wanted you to know him he would have. He didn't. So? Accept him and his friends/coworkers as they are and move on. Life is about moving on (among other things) than trying to find someone who knew the person behind Bitcoin.

I wonder if Satoshi's family even know that Satoshi is Satoshi the Bitcoin creator. Probably no one knows IRL.

It's because the people who interacted with Satoshi were and are aware that Satoshi is not a "who".

Asking who Satoshi is, is like asking which color is smallest or whether a rope's heartbeat is stable.  It doesn't even make any sense.