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Title: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 01:37:12 PM
Say I want to transfer funds from one address to another address in the same wallet.

2 questions

1. Do the miner/blockchain.info fee still apply?

2. If (1) is true then is there a way to specify which address to take the fee out of?

Example.

Label 1 has 1 BTC

Label 2 has 0 BTC

I want to take 1 BTC and send it from Label 1 to Label 2. Now apparently if question 1 is in effect this is not going to happen.

Can I have say, a label0 that contains say 5 btc and have blockchain.info take the fee out of that?

So to start I have...

Label 0 5 btc
Label 1 1 btc
Label 2 0 btc

After transaction

Label 0 4.995 btc
Label 1 0 btc
Label 2 1 btc

?


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: gweedo on July 26, 2012, 01:44:45 PM
yes if it mets the criteria for having fees, just cause your moving inside your wallet doesn't mean that network knows that. A wallet is just a collection of address, the address with the private key is what gives you control over bitcoins. So moving control of bitcoins to another address under your control still needs to be broadcast and put into a block. For miners to put things into blocks they need fees of course if it isn't meeting the criteria for fees.


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: piuk on July 26, 2012, 01:49:03 PM
Unless sending anonymously there is no blockchain.info fee.

The miners fee is optional (but recommended) and depends of the transaction size / freshness of the coins (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees).  To send without a miners fee use the custom send form and choose "Continue without Fee" when asked.

There used to be the option to select an additional address for the fee out of but that is gone now. You can choose two from addresses instead to partially replicate the functionality.


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 01:57:13 PM
Unless sending anonymously there is no blockchain.info fee.

The miners fee is optional (but recommended) and depends of the transaction size / freshness of the coins (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees).  To send without a miners fee use the custom send form and choose "Continue without Fee" when asked.

There used to be the option to select an additional address for the fee out of but that is gone now. You can choose two from addresses instead to partially replicate the functionality.

How do I do this from the merchant api?


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: piuk on July 26, 2012, 02:04:19 PM
How do I do this from the merchant api?

There currently isn't a way to set the fee in the merchant api. It's always fixed at 0.0005 BTC for every transaction regardless of whether it is between the same wallet.


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:05:45 PM
How do I do this from the merchant api?

There currently isn't a way to set the fee in the merchant api. It's always fixed at 0.0005 BTC for every transaction regardless of whether it is between the same wallet.

Don't you mean 0.005?


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: piuk on July 26, 2012, 02:13:37 PM
Don't you mean 0.005?

It should have recently been changed to the correct value (0.0005).


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:16:25 PM
Don't you mean 0.005?

It should have recently been changed to the correct value (0.0005).


http://blockchain.info/mywallet_api

Making Outgoing Payments
Send bitcoin from your wallet to another bitcoin address. All transactions include a 0.005 BTC miners fee.


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: piuk on July 26, 2012, 02:20:07 PM
Send bitcoin from your wallet to another bitcoin address. All transactions include a 0.005 BTC miners fee.

Damn decimals confusing me. The documentation is wrong it is 0.0005 BTC.

Quote
public static final BigInteger DefaultMerchantFee = BigInteger.valueOf((long) (BitcoinTx.COIN * 0.0005)); //0.0005 BTC Fee


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
Send bitcoin from your wallet to another bitcoin address. All transactions include a 0.005 BTC miners fee.

Damn decimals confusing me. The documentation is wrong it is 0.0005 BTC.

Quote
public static final BigInteger DefaultMerchantFee = BigInteger.valueOf((long) (BitcoinTx.COIN * 0.0005)); //0.0005 BTC Fee

I have noted it in my code.

Is there a 0.0045 BTC finders reward for this error? :P


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:24:55 PM
Send bitcoin from your wallet to another bitcoin address. All transactions include a 0.005 BTC miners fee.

Damn decimals confusing me. The documentation is wrong it is 0.0005 BTC.

Quote
public static final BigInteger DefaultMerchantFee = BigInteger.valueOf((long) (BitcoinTx.COIN * 0.0005)); //0.0005 BTC Fee

I have noted it in my code.

Is there a 0.0045 BTC finders reward for this error? :P

that is kinda cheap of you, shouldn't helping find an error enough of a reward, this aint preschool we all don't get stars for doing good things

And perhaps you overlooked the ":P" and the actual difference of the error. It was made jokingly. Now stop your trolling, go get some coffee and we can both go our ways and have a great day! :)


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:29:10 PM
Send bitcoin from your wallet to another bitcoin address. All transactions include a 0.005 BTC miners fee.

Damn decimals confusing me. The documentation is wrong it is 0.0005 BTC.

Quote
public static final BigInteger DefaultMerchantFee = BigInteger.valueOf((long) (BitcoinTx.COIN * 0.0005)); //0.0005 BTC Fee

I have noted it in my code.

Is there a 0.0045 BTC finders reward for this error? :P

that is kinda cheap of you, shouldn't helping find an error enough of a reward, this aint preschool we all don't get stars for doing good things

And perhaps you overlooked the ":P" and the actual difference of the error. It was made jokingly. Now stop your trolling, go get some coffee and we can both go our ways and have a great day! :)

i aint a troll last time i checked, i am opinionated difference there

Gweedo, I see you post all over and your info is appreciated on the many posts that I read.

Now let's not start WW3 over a misunderstood joke.

Thank you all for helping!


Title: Re: Blockchain.info fees still apply to addresses in same wallet?
Post by: unclemantis on July 26, 2012, 02:30:43 PM
Hey Gweedo! Catch!

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/e456f7636b71fa8a2caea87510ce3c122d358152eb6d33348ce5ee4f2ddc2370 (http://blockchain.info/tx-index/e456f7636b71fa8a2caea87510ce3c122d358152eb6d33348ce5ee4f2ddc2370)