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Title: NEW PPS Rates on pools as of Aug 25 2012
Post by: 420 on July 30, 2012, 06:30:27 AM
Current Difficulty as of 8-25-12: 2,440,642.606916
1/Difficulty= .0000004097281581360253 * 50 = .00002048640790680127
Straight 5% fee should yield this BTC per share: 0.0000194620875114612

Comparison of PPS Pool rates as of 8-25-12 Listed  with lowest to highest BTC pay rate:
Pool Name  PPS Rate  Benefits/Notes
Deepbit0.00001843776711612Large established pool
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
NMCBit.com0.000018547160437029 BTC

.00004271157099449 NMC
Convert NMC to BTC @ 0.0025 rate
Small Pool (Maybe less likely to be attacked)
OzCoin.net0.00001946  BTC
Large established pool
Great statistics records
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
Minimum 0.10 BTC withdrawl
Eclipsemc.com0.000019462087511461999392347114Established Pool
BTCGuild.com0.00001946209235111090

0.00004481855091717626 NMC
Large established pool
Good user interface
Minimum 0.10BTC OR NMC withdrawl
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
50BTC.com0.00001987 Registration not required
BitParking.com0.00001997 BTC

0.00004600 NMC
Small pool
Merged Mine IXC/DVC
Don't wait for 120 Confirmations
ABCPool.co0.0000199128Proxy Pool
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
0.1BTC Charge if withdraw less than 0.2BTC
Mt. Red0.0000204864079068 Best PPS rate of any pool

More pools & INFO:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: Graet on July 30, 2012, 06:35:11 AM
Ozcoin shows the PPS rate with the 5% already removed
i.e. what you are paid per share :)


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on July 30, 2012, 06:39:16 AM
Ozcoin shows the PPS rate with the 5% already removed
i.e. what you are paid per share :)

so that is definately the biggest reward out there?


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: eleuthria on July 30, 2012, 06:45:24 AM
You've got the wrong rate for OzCoin.  Looks like the forum post on their website with their rate hasn't been updated ;p

Straight from OzCoin's site (only visible when logged in as far as I can tell): Current PPS Rate:   0.00002545 BTC

Same as BTC Guild: (1 / Difficulty * 47.5) per Share


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: Graet on July 30, 2012, 06:45:48 AM
Current PPS Rate:
0.00002545 BTC
is correct


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on July 30, 2012, 06:48:27 AM
so ABC is the winner right now


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: Tittiez on July 30, 2012, 07:27:15 AM
so ABC is the winner right now

mtred is always the winner with 0% fees:

https://mtred.com/

0.0000267896661681/share


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on July 30, 2012, 09:11:12 AM
so ABC is the winner right now

mtred is always the winner with 0% fees:

https://mtred.com/

0.0000267896661681/share

thank you


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on July 31, 2012, 08:42:51 AM
Updated PPS rates,

Mt. Red highest, ABC #2


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: stoppots on August 17, 2012, 03:12:31 PM
think a notation if any of these pay for stale shares should be included

also you are missing EclipsEMC which also has PPS


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: wknight on August 17, 2012, 03:26:01 PM
is mtred really true PPS? I thought it doesnt pay if the block is invalid. You only get paid after the block is confirmed. This isnt true PPS.


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on August 17, 2012, 03:47:42 PM
I guess that makes it ppnos.  Pay per not orphaned shared.



Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: wknight on August 17, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
I guess that makes it ppnos.  Pay per not orphaned shared.



Ahh yes.. a new payout method :)


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: Clipse on August 17, 2012, 04:40:45 PM
mtred pays out after 120 confirms, invalid or not. Its pps with the exception you need to wait 120 confirmations.


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: eleuthria on August 17, 2012, 05:44:57 PM
mtred pays out after 120 confirms, invalid or not. Its pps with the exception you need to wait 120 confirmations.

But orphans don't get 120 confirms.  That's why they're orphans.


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on August 17, 2012, 11:17:21 PM
think a notation if any of these pay for stale shares should be included

also you are missing EclipsEMC which also has PPS

what is their rate, i dont see it

EDIT: updated rates, someone please tell me what Eclipse rating is?


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: doublec on August 18, 2012, 01:46:59 AM
mmpool.bitparking.com (http://mmpool.bitparking.com) has a PPS rate of 0.00002225.


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: doublec on August 18, 2012, 01:48:52 AM
EDIT: updated rates, someone please tell me what Eclipse rating is?
Their FAQ says 5% fee so same as OzCoin and BGTCGuild: https://eclipsemc.com/faq.php


Title: Re: Pay per share rate before fee or after??
Post by: 420 on August 18, 2012, 05:39:05 AM
EDIT: updated rates, someone please tell me what Eclipse rating is?
Their FAQ says 5% fee so same as OzCoin and BGTCGuild: https://eclipsemc.com/faq.php

But they seem slightly different with BTC Guild giving slightly more per share


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: Inaba on August 19, 2012, 12:51:27 AM
Should be the same, unless BTCGuild changed the way they calculate PPS rates.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: eleuthria on August 19, 2012, 01:36:09 AM
Should be the same, unless BTCGuild changed the way they calculate PPS rates.

BTC Guild rounds the difficulty down to a whole number, I think your pool might be applying 5% to the difficulty (including decimals), which would offer a very slightly (insignificant) smaller per share amount.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 05:21:03 AM
Should be the same, unless BTCGuild changed the way they calculate PPS rates.


maybe they add a little extra to look better


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: [Tycho] on August 19, 2012, 07:45:27 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 08:10:32 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)

what do you mean? shares are added directly to the balance when you start mining aren't they?


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: eleuthria on August 19, 2012, 08:15:45 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)

what do you mean? shares are added directly to the balance when you start mining aren't they?

I believe he means that MOST PPS pools don't require waiting for confirmations, which you have as a benefit for BTC Guild currently, but not some of the other pools.  And just because I'm a jealous person ( :) ), any reason you put "Large established pool" for Deepbit and OzCoin but not BTC Guild?  Larger than OzCoin and been around longer than all the pools listed except for Deepbit :).


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 08:16:56 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)

what do you mean? shares are added directly to the balance when you start mining aren't they?

I believe he means that MOST PPS pools don't require waiting for confirmations, which you have as a benefit for BTC Guild currently, but not some of the other pools.  And just because I'm a jealous person ( :) ), any reason you put "Large, established" pool for Deepbit and OzCoin but not BTC Guild?  Larger than OzCoin and been around longer than all the pools listed except for Deepbit :).

i didn't want to be biased and have you having a long list of benefits

guess i'll redesign


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: eleuthria on August 19, 2012, 08:22:26 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)

what do you mean? shares are added directly to the balance when you start mining aren't they?

I believe he means that MOST PPS pools don't require waiting for confirmations, which you have as a benefit for BTC Guild currently, but not some of the other pools.  And just because I'm a jealous person ( :) ), any reason you put "Large, established" pool for Deepbit and OzCoin but not BTC Guild?  Larger than OzCoin and been around longer than all the pools listed except for Deepbit :).

i didn't want to be biased and have you having a long list of benefits

guess i'll redesign

I'd recommend just converting this to a table like this:

Pool Name
BTC Rate
NMC Rate
Notes
Mt. Red0.00002282202593970No fee, requires confirmations
Bitparking0.000022250.00004600 Also merged mines IXC/DVC
ABC Pool0.00002247970Proxy pool
BTC Guild0.00002168093424286754 0.00004481855091717626
EclipseMC0.0000216809246426740006782885040
OzCoin0.00002168092434681080
NMCBit0.00002130070969050.0000440325474170
Deepbit0.000020539823345690

Code:
[table]
  [tr]
    [td][center][b]Pool Name[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]BTC Rate[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]NMC Rate[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]Notes[/b][/center][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Mt. Red[/td]
    [td]0.0000228220259397[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]No fee, requires confirmations[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Bitparking[/td]
    [td]0.00002225[/td]
    [td]0.00004600 [/td]
    [td]Also merged mines IXC/DVC[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]ABC Pool[/td]
    [td]0.0000224797[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]Proxy pool[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]BTC Guild[/td]
    [td]0.00002168093424286754 [/td]
    [td]0.00004481855091717626 [/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]EclipseMC[/td]
    [td]0.000021680924642674000678288504[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
    [/tr]
  [tr]
  [td]OzCoin[/td]
    [td]0.0000216809243468108[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]NMCBit[/td]
    [td]0.0000213007096905[/td]
    [td]0.0000440325474170[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Deepbit[/td]
    [td]0.00002053982334569[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
[/table]


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 08:30:56 AM
May be it would be better to remove that "don't wait for confirmations" note and just mark the only PPS pool that waits for them ? :)

what do you mean? shares are added directly to the balance when you start mining aren't they?

I believe he means that MOST PPS pools don't require waiting for confirmations, which you have as a benefit for BTC Guild currently, but not some of the other pools.  And just because I'm a jealous person ( :) ), any reason you put "Large, established" pool for Deepbit and OzCoin but not BTC Guild?  Larger than OzCoin and been around longer than all the pools listed except for Deepbit :).

i didn't want to be biased and have you having a long list of benefits

guess i'll redesign

I'd recommend just converting this to a table like this:

Pool Name
BTC Rate
NMC Rate
Notes
Mt. Red0.00002282202593970No fee, requires confirmations
Bitparking0.000022250.00004600 Also merged mines IXC/DVC
ABC Pool0.00002247970Proxy pool
BTC Guild0.00002168093424286754 0.00004481855091717626
EclipseMC0.0000216809246426740006782885040
OzCoin0.00002168092434681080
NMCBit0.00002130070969050.0000440325474170
Deepbit0.000020539823345690

Code:
[table]
  [tr]
    [td][center][b]Pool Name[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]BTC Rate[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]NMC Rate[/b][/center][/td]
    [td][center][b]Notes[/b][/center][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Mt. Red[/td]
    [td]0.0000228220259397[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]No fee, requires confirmations[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Bitparking[/td]
    [td]0.00002225[/td]
    [td]0.00004600 [/td]
    [td]Also merged mines IXC/DVC[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]ABC Pool[/td]
    [td]0.0000224797[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td]Proxy pool[/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]BTC Guild[/td]
    [td]0.00002168093424286754 [/td]
    [td]0.00004481855091717626 [/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]EclipseMC[/td]
    [td]0.000021680924642674000678288504[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
    [/tr]
  [tr]
  [td]OzCoin[/td]
    [td]0.0000216809243468108[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]NMCBit[/td]
    [td]0.0000213007096905[/td]
    [td]0.0000440325474170[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
  [tr]
    [td]Deepbit[/td]
    [td]0.00002053982334569[/td]
    [td]0[/td]
    [td][/td]
  [/tr]
[/table]

how'd u do so quick? i was just working on the exact thing


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: eleuthria on August 19, 2012, 08:31:48 AM
how'd u do so quick? i was just working on the exact thing

Years of coding and being an extremely fast typist :).


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 19, 2012, 08:45:15 AM
how'd u do so quick? i was just working on the exact thing

Years of coding and being an extremely fast typist :).

ah! i used the bathroom though! that's it! And I'm getting used to a new keyboard!

Updated the organization into a table.

ALSO! ALSO:

added bitcoin donation address to my signature :)


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: bal3wolf on August 20, 2012, 02:11:40 AM
nice info one thing btcguild only needs .10 to withdraw namecoin its only 1 if you want it to do it auto and from what i can tell they pay transaction fees some of others on your list dont.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 20, 2012, 02:22:57 AM
nice info one thing btcguild only needs .10 to withdraw namecoin its only 1 if you want it to do it auto and from what i can tell they pay transaction fees some of others on your list dont.

Are you saying you can manually withdraw when balance is under .10 BTC and under 1NMC ?
[limits apply to auto payments only ? ]


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: eleuthria on August 20, 2012, 02:33:27 AM
nice info one thing btcguild only needs .10 to withdraw namecoin its only 1 if you want it to do it auto and from what i can tell they pay transaction fees some of others on your list dont.

Are you saying you can manually withdraw when balance is under .10 BTC and under 1NMC ?
[limits apply to auto payments only ? ]

Just updated the NMC section to match BTC.  On BTC Guild, the only requirement for a payout (manual or automatic) is that the amount must be at least 0.1.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 20, 2012, 02:58:05 AM
nice info one thing btcguild only needs .10 to withdraw namecoin its only 1 if you want it to do it auto and from what i can tell they pay transaction fees some of others on your list dont.

Are you saying you can manually withdraw when balance is under .10 BTC and under 1NMC ?
[limits apply to auto payments only ? ]

Just updated the NMC section to match BTC.  On BTC Guild, the only requirement for a payout (manual or automatic) is that the amount must be at least 0.1.

Updated, thanks


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: Graet on August 20, 2012, 03:06:06 AM
I'm sure you want to be consistent so could you please add for Ozcoin PPS:
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
Minimum 0.10BTC withdrawl
thank you.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 20, 2012, 03:07:43 AM
I'm sure you want to be consistent so could you please add for Ozcoin PPS:
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
Minimum 0.10BTC withdrawl
thank you.

gracias


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: doublec on August 20, 2012, 03:27:00 AM
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
Minimum 0.10BTC withdrawl

Same with bitparking btw. I would have thought all PPS pools were "don't have to wait for 120 confirmations".


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: Graet on August 20, 2012, 03:28:05 AM
Don't have to wait for 120 confirmations
Minimum 0.10BTC withdrawl

Same with bitparking btw. I would have thought all PPS pools were "don't have to wait for 120 confirmations".
All except MtRed afaik :)


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: bal3wolf on August 20, 2012, 06:49:25 AM
abcpool also charges you .010 instead of .005 if you cash out below .20.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: DrG on August 22, 2012, 11:42:13 AM
As Ozcoin was part of ABCPool's servicing options ABCPool will now be adding a 1.3% to their previous 1.5% fee making it 2.8% effective fee rate.


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 22, 2012, 11:45:31 AM
As Ozcoin was part of ABCPool's servicing options ABCPool will now be adding a 1.3% to their previous 1.5% fee making it 2.8% effective fee rate.

Do you know how soon?


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: Graet on August 22, 2012, 11:47:02 AM
As Ozcoin was part of ABCPool's servicing options ABCPool will now be adding a 1.3% to their previous 1.5% fee making it 2.8% effective fee rate.

Do you know how soon?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33586.msg1119855#msg1119855


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 22, 2012, 11:54:06 AM
As Ozcoin was part of ABCPool's servicing options ABCPool will now be adding a 1.3% to their previous 1.5% fee making it 2.8% effective fee rate.

Do you know how soon?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=33586.msg1119855#msg1119855

thanks august 24th i'll update the rate


Title: Re: Current PPS Rates on pools
Post by: 420 on August 25, 2012, 07:23:13 AM
Posted new rates. Looks like BitParking surpassed ABC Pool in PPS return.

BitParking new king! merged mining with other coins