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Title: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 27, 2015, 11:29:08 PM
Russian Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed in Moscow

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The head of the Moscow police department is on the scene, according to TASS news agency. Moscow police sources say there were witnesses to the shooting who are now being questioned.

"Today at approximately 11:15 PM Nemtsov was walking with a female companion along the Bolshoy Kamenniy bridge.  A car approached, from which several shots were fired.  Four shots hit Nemtsov in the back," Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesperson Elena Alekseeva said.

"The woman who was with him is at this moment being questioned at a Moscow police station."

An investigative committee spokesman says seven shots were fired.

Moscow police are engaged in an active search for the shooter or shooters, who have not been identified.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html)

I feel bad for the woman witness at this point. I bet this was a hit put out by Putin considering there was some rally planned against him coming up. They were just reporting on this on Fox and mentioned that.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: pitham1 on February 27, 2015, 11:34:13 PM
While there are a lot of countries where political assassinations do happen, I am surprised to see it happening in Russia.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 27, 2015, 11:39:35 PM
Murdered politician sought to 'organise real opposition' in Russia...

With an economy shrinking, the opposition should be thriving, but the truth is very different

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There were still thick crusts of dirty snow piled up on the edges of the pavement outside Krasnopresnenskaya, a Metro station in central Moscow, on Tuesday. Beside this reminder of a long winter stood four young men and women holding bright green balloons. “Spring is coming!” said one of them, while handing out leaflets to passers-by.

The four, along with similar groups of activists elsewhere, are trying to mobilise their compatriots to come out in Moscow, and a handful of other Russian cities, on Sunday to protest against President Vladimir Putin in what they are calling an “anti-crisis march”.

“After years of siphoning off the oil revenues, the current regime has led the country to a standstill and into complete bankruptcy,” the leaflets say. “Putin and his government cannot lift the country out of crisis and must leave.”

A few passersby took the leaflets; most ignored them. Three years after 100,000 took part in opposition rallies across Russia, the movement is splintered: some leaders are jailed, others are in exile while several have switched sides.

More...
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4ecd1a04-bd1d-11e4-b523-00144feab7de.html#axzz3SzXgIy00

There doesn't even appear to be much of a rebel spirit in Russia despite the country going to shit.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 12:05:47 AM
Russian Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed in Moscow

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The head of the Moscow police department is on the scene, according to TASS news agency. Moscow police sources say there were witnesses to the shooting who are now being questioned.

"Today at approximately 11:15 PM Nemtsov was walking with a female companion along the Bolshoy Kamenniy bridge.  A car approached, from which several shots were fired.  Four shots hit Nemtsov in the back," Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesperson Elena Alekseeva said.

"The woman who was with him is at this moment being questioned at a Moscow police station."

An investigative committee spokesman says seven shots were fired.

Moscow police are engaged in an active search for the shooter or shooters, who have not been identified.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html)

I feel bad for the woman witness at this point. I bet this was a hit put out by Putin considering there was some rally planned against him coming up. They were just reporting on this on Fox and mentioned that.

The woman that was with Nemtsov is from Kiev. How much are you going to bet?


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: dloghwak on February 28, 2015, 12:06:53 AM
Russian Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed in Moscow

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The head of the Moscow police department is on the scene, according to TASS news agency. Moscow police sources say there were witnesses to the shooting who are now being questioned.

"Today at approximately 11:15 PM Nemtsov was walking with a female companion along the Bolshoy Kamenniy bridge.  A car approached, from which several shots were fired.  Four shots hit Nemtsov in the back," Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesperson Elena Alekseeva said.

"The woman who was with him is at this moment being questioned at a Moscow police station."

An investigative committee spokesman says seven shots were fired.

Moscow police are engaged in an active search for the shooter or shooters, who have not been identified.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html)

I feel bad for the woman witness at this point. I bet this was a hit put out by Putin considering there was some rally planned against him coming up. They were just reporting on this on Fox and mentioned that.

I am not sure if thats such a good bet you are willing to take.
Why should Putin do that? it's obvious that he and his government will be blamed for it.
Wouldn't it be easier to put Nemtsov in jail or something like that?
But on the other side, all could be possible.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: bitgeek on February 28, 2015, 12:18:01 AM
I am not sure if thats such a good bet you are willing to take.
Why should Putin do that? it's obvious that he and his government will be blamed for it.
Wouldn't it be easier to put Nemtsov in jail or something like that?
But on the other side, all could be possible.

People in jail can always speak, make a fuss, defend themselves. Dead people tend not to be talkative ;)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Chef Ramsay on February 28, 2015, 02:27:29 AM
Russian Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed in Moscow

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The head of the Moscow police department is on the scene, according to TASS news agency. Moscow police sources say there were witnesses to the shooting who are now being questioned.

"Today at approximately 11:15 PM Nemtsov was walking with a female companion along the Bolshoy Kamenniy bridge.  A car approached, from which several shots were fired.  Four shots hit Nemtsov in the back," Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesperson Elena Alekseeva said.

"The woman who was with him is at this moment being questioned at a Moscow police station."

An investigative committee spokesman says seven shots were fired.

Moscow police are engaged in an active search for the shooter or shooters, who have not been identified.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html)

I feel bad for the woman witness at this point. I bet this was a hit put out by Putin considering there was some rally planned against him coming up. They were just reporting on this on Fox and mentioned that.

The woman that was with Nemtsov is from Kiev. How much are you going to bet?
I'm certainly not going to bet the farm on it, more conjecture than anything else. However, Putin said he was going to oversee the investigation personally. That doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in my mind. If the woman was a friend of sorts of this guy then we know what side she's on. If she's a potential double agent of sorts that brought him to his death zone, then there that is.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Divinespark on February 28, 2015, 03:37:50 AM
He was not the first, and he certainly won't be the last Putin opponent to be bumped off


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Tusk on February 28, 2015, 05:41:42 AM
I am not sure if thats such a good bet you are willing to take.
Why should Putin do that? it's obvious that he and his government will be blamed for it.
Wouldn't it be easier to put Nemtsov in jail or something like that?
But on the other side, all could be possible.

People in jail can always speak, make a fuss, defend themselves. Dead people tend not to be talkative ;)


Those being held in Guantanamo would not agree I'm sure


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on February 28, 2015, 07:33:51 AM
As everyone seems fucking shy to ask: was she a prostitute? I mean it would be his daughter (and she wouldn't be uki), it would be mentioned. then why in your source mr chef you forget to put her birthdate... why? the problem of all those attempt at framing reality that I saw recently, is that I love to follow you in it, why? because I find so funny when you see all the lies you build collapse on you, that's why I want to be close... I find it so tragic (but I lol much). And of course if I call you since the beginning how could you bluff... and then lose. or reformulated according to wisdom of w.s. higher, higher, higher, higher... (the fall will be faster... mwhahaha). No Mercy.

In short was this dead man a friend with the mobster of the west (ala joe biden, his son, dsk, Silvio etc etc... ) I wouldn't be surprised... it seems to be an almost worldwide org. bunch of idiots. The darkside of "the west".


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: bitcoin4eva on February 28, 2015, 08:56:59 AM
I don't get it. Its like jungle there and its just around the border from where I live. If you say president Sauli Niinistö sucks in Finland you don't get shot...
Things are a bit out of control there (no offence) with the stuff going on in Ukraine and all.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: fsb4000 on February 28, 2015, 09:15:44 AM
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I bet this was a hit put out by Putin
Unproven bullshit. But who need proof? No one wants the truth, everyone wants to see only what he wants...


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Snail2 on February 28, 2015, 09:39:34 AM
Qui bono? But most likely we never will know the real answer.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Ingatqhvq on February 28, 2015, 10:14:02 AM
This is the reason why no one trusts you Russia, all of Putins opposition is either in jail, house arrest or the ground.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on February 28, 2015, 10:33:02 AM
Qui bono? But most likely we never will know the real answer.

here comments from ZH that I like :

Quote from: johnberesfordti

As I have stated before… the diminutive Putin (5’5” without lifts) is going down.  This particular killing MAY have been a personal or political vendetta (unrelated to Putin) but it would be in keeping with his tendency to overreach as is always the case with psychopaths.

The preponderance of positive (to Putin) ZH commentary is just another nail in his coffin. Such positive commentary by ZHers is deadly since ZH is unfailingly on the wrong side of every trade. ZH is a very effective contra indicator… always wrong, all the time.

What an amazing track record.

Keep up the good work.

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This one is really well constructed if you look at it closely. Is the author part of the USMIIC? Shall be interesting to discuss his line of orders and where it does lead...

now more cooler :

Quote from: napper

I guess this guy might have seen the light and refused to continue being a CIA asset. So the CIA whacked him and blamed the murder on someone else, as usual.
 
Hack, the guy might even have been quite cooperative with the CIA, but if he's worth more dead than alive, then so be it. If 3000 American lives can be sacrificed on a single day in NY, what's the big deal of killing one in Moscow?!
 
We all know now who were behind the murder of "protestors" in Ukraine, and civilian passengers aboard Malaysian airliners!

this is the mistake that those behind the 9.11 did, they attacked the Swarm... you have no idea.

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Boris Nemtsov will not be missed in Russia.  He was another Khordokovsky type - a Jewish criminal gangster rising to great power by selling out his country's interests to those of the West during the Yeltsin years.  He had few followers, and would have been far down the list of those that the Kremlin would condier 'dangerous'.

For the rest of the world outside Russia, his death will be used as a weapon against Putin - indeed, it already is as all the MSM are jumpiong onto the 'Putin does it again' bandwagon.

The jewish is useless, because he can't be among, he stole. he is just a criminal. ex-jewish or born jewish is okay still.

If only the usa took as seriously 9.11 wtc 7 and it's data, pentagon and it's data as seriously... pb with quantic physic said that never dies... I hope that the criminal will all agrees that it's better to repent now that to be exposed forever.  8)  :o  :-*.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 11:11:38 AM
Russian Politician Boris Nemtsov Killed in Moscow

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The head of the Moscow police department is on the scene, according to TASS news agency. Moscow police sources say there were witnesses to the shooting who are now being questioned.

"Today at approximately 11:15 PM Nemtsov was walking with a female companion along the Bolshoy Kamenniy bridge.  A car approached, from which several shots were fired.  Four shots hit Nemtsov in the back," Ministry of Internal Affairs spokesperson Elena Alekseeva said.

"The woman who was with him is at this moment being questioned at a Moscow police station."

An investigative committee spokesman says seven shots were fired.

Moscow police are engaged in an active search for the shooter or shooters, who have not been identified.

http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html (http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150228/1018865497.html)

I feel bad for the woman witness at this point. I bet this was a hit put out by Putin considering there was some rally planned against him coming up. They were just reporting on this on Fox and mentioned that.

The woman that was with Nemtsov is from Kiev. How much are you going to bet?
I'm certainly not going to bet the farm on it, more conjecture than anything else. However, Putin said he was going to oversee the investigation personally. That doesn't exactly inspire much confidence in my mind. If the woman was a friend of sorts of this guy then we know what side she's on. If she's a potential double agent of sorts that brought him to his death zone, then there that is.

It is not Putin's way of doing things. Besides that, Nemtsov was nobody, and wasn't even a slightest threat to Putin and his power. He was Yeltsin's petboy and became a governor of a Russian region with population of over 3 million people at an age of just 32 years. He has been hated by the majority of Russian populace.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on February 28, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
to frighten the future candidate and winner of the presidential us election 2016 ?



SNOWDEN PRESIDENT 2016 FOR A BETTER WORLD


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: cryptocoiner on February 28, 2015, 11:28:29 AM
This is just another sacral victim.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Snail2 on February 28, 2015, 11:57:04 AM

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Boris Nemtsov will not be missed in Russia.  He was another Khordokovsky type - a Jewish criminal gangster rising to great power by selling out his country's interests to those of the West during the Yeltsin years.  He had few followers, and would have been far down the list of those that the Kremlin would condier 'dangerous'.

For the rest of the world outside Russia, his death will be used as a weapon against Putin - indeed, it already is as all the MSM are jumpiong onto the 'Putin does it again' bandwagon.


It is not Putin's way of doing things. Besides that, Nemtsov was nobody, and wasn't even a slightest threat to Putin and his power. He was Yeltsin's petboy and became a governor of a Russian region with population of over 3 million people at an age of just 32 years. He has been hated by the majority of Russian populace.

Suspected something like this. Together with opinion of tee-rex I would say this murder clearly wasn't Putin's interest. More like the opposite.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: cryptocoiner on February 28, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

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Boris Nemtsov will not be missed in Russia.  He was another Khordokovsky type - a Jewish criminal gangster rising to great power by selling out his country's interests to those of the West during the Yeltsin years.  He had few followers, and would have been far down the list of those that the Kremlin would condier 'dangerous'.

For the rest of the world outside Russia, his death will be used as a weapon against Putin - indeed, it already is as all the MSM are jumpiong onto the 'Putin does it again' bandwagon.


It is not Putin's way of doing things. Besides that, Nemtsov was nobody, and wasn't even a slightest threat to Putin and his power. He was Yeltsin's petboy and became a governor of a Russian region with population of over 3 million people at an age of just 32 years. He has been hated by the majority of Russian populace.

Suspected something like this. Together with opinion of tee-rex I would say this murder clearly wasn't Putin's interest. More like the opposite.

Totally agree. More than this. This murder was organized by Putin's enemies. Sacral victim as is.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Welsh on February 28, 2015, 01:57:45 PM
Everyone is quick to make the assumption that Putin was behind this. There isn't any evidence that he is behind it. For instance this could be someone who wants to rally against Putin in the future, but want's everyone to believe Putin was the one behind this thus giving this unknown person an advantage. Although, that would be another assumption. I don't think anyone will trust the news which is going to be fed to us by the Russian news. So, we're probably not going to find out the truth anyway.

This may of not been done by any one official either. There's to many possibilities to make a quick assumption.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on February 28, 2015, 02:02:32 PM
I was expecting this news in the Western sources with booming headlines that already indirectly assign the guilt. I wasn't disappointed.

Let's look at it from a logical, investigative point of view.

Nemcov was a prominent figure in Yeltsin's administration, participating in dismantling of Russia's economics and industry. As an opposition figure, he was more of a second fiddle - much less of a thorn in Russia's collective side than, say, Hodorkovskij and Naval'nyj (both are still breathing, by the way). Nemcov didn't figure much on the news front either.

Another background piece: An anti-maidan march is planned for the 1st of March. Nemcov's death comes at a very opportune moment give the "opposition" ammo against this anti-maidan.

Nemcov's death is just another headache for Putin, and he takes it under personal control is because this presents a problem for Russia's national security. As for MSM - whatever Putin did with regard to the investigation - if he took it under control or not - he would still be angled as a guilty party.

Those who benefit from his death are the "opposition" and their handlers. The girlfriend from Kiev gives some room for thought, but might be a coincidence - there are tens of millions of Ukrainians living in Russia.

Another possibility is purely monetary - read somewhere that Nemcov handled large sums of money and may have fallen victim of a gang-war style crime, unconnected with present politics altogether.

My personal feeling is that Nemcov became a sacrificial lamb for the (overseas) forces nurturing the "opposition" in Russia, the forces that openly stated the the end goal is a revolt and unseating of Putin - war on the Russian border in Ukraine and economic war are just pieces in this bigger game. Nemcov may have fallen as yet another piece.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 02:14:02 PM
I was expecting this news in the Western sources with booming headlines that already indirectly assign the guilt. I wasn't disappointed.

Let's look at it from a logical, investigative point of view.

Nemcov was a prominent figure in Yeltsin's administration, participating in dismantling of Russia's economics and industry. As an opposition figure, he was more of a second fiddle - much less of a thorn in Russia's collective side than, say, Hodorkovskij and Naval'nyj (both are still breathing, by the way). Nemcov didn't figure much on the news front either.

Another background piece: An opposition march is planned for the 1st of March. What it lacked is a clear strong slogan. Nemcov's death comes at a very opportune moment for the opposition, like a gift from above. The previous attempt at "maidan" in Russia - a Bolotnaja square upheaval failed. A much stronger rallying point is needed, and hey presto, here it comes!

Nemcov's death is just another headache for Putin, and he takes it under personal control is because this presents a problem for Russia's national security. As for MSM - whatever Putin did with regard to the investigation - if he took it under control or not - he would still be angled as a guilty party.

Those who benefit from his death are the "opposition" and their handlers. The girlfriend from Kiev gives some room for thought, but might be a coincidence - there are tens of millions of Ukrainians living in Russia.

My feeling is that Nemcov became a sacrificial lamb for the (overseas) forces nuturing the "opposition" in Russia, the forces that openly stated the the end goal is a revolt and unseating of Putin - war on the Russian border in Ukraine and economic war are just pieces in this bigger game. Nemcov may have fallen as yet another piece.

Below is a Snowden poster taken from the Russian subforum:

Пpoцecc пoшёл, ждём ктo cлeдyющий.
http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106006/526/CocUOmotMyI.jpg

Snowden is allegedly saying in this poster that "they have started getting rid of their long-term puppets. They are afraid of those who failed to fulfill their orders but happen to know too much. The U.S. Department of State won't stop at Nemtsov, they will continue to kill".

Don't know how authentic is this actually, though.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on February 28, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
http://cs543106.vk.me/v543106006/526/CocUOmotMyI.jpg


Snowden is allegedly saying in this poster that "they have started getting rid of their long-term puppets. They are afraid of those who failed to fulfill their orders but happen to know too much. The U.S. Department of State won't stop at Nemtsov, they will continue to kill".

Don't know how authentic is this actually, though.

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SNOWDEN POTUS 2016 THE SIDE OF TRUTH


And then add backing of the full might of the empire, and dirt trash like the traitors of hitlary (why not even 9.11 she had the time in office...), will be seen for what they are. White trashes. To the dust bin of history. and finally Peace, Prosperity, Stability (while preserving market volatility, don't get confuse), and maybe who knows... :).


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 03:22:36 PM
As of now, the primary version of the investigation into Nemtsov's killing is that he was killed by the ultra right-wing radicals, who consider both the powers that be and the political opposition as their enemies.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on February 28, 2015, 08:44:21 PM
https://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/mord-an-boris-nemzow/

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Sollte der Sicherheitsapparat also Täter präsentieren – was sehr wahrscheinlich ist, aber dazu kommen wir noch – so wird Lokshin wahrscheinlich behaupten, es seien vorgeschobene Sündenböcke – in Wahrheit stecke Putin persönlich dahinter.

That would be typical demotard's reaction indeed. :D


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
https://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/mord-an-boris-nemzow/

I always thought of Nemtsov as a stud, his face and smile had been ever betraying his thoughts and intentions. I absolutely like such photos. They speak louder than words.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-8AVD6VAAISAWy.jpg


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on February 28, 2015, 08:49:57 PM
https://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/mord-an-boris-nemzow/

I absolutely like such photos.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-8AVD6VAAISAWy.jpg

It was Putin under holographic projection.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: seen369 on February 28, 2015, 10:50:27 PM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on February 28, 2015, 10:57:01 PM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: riptide on February 28, 2015, 10:57:48 PM
I totally agree. Russia is a different country. The people have seen what Ukraine has done and will never support
the same sort of thing in Russia.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on February 28, 2015, 11:12:39 PM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.
Somebody joking that she is a prostitute. :D

But actually she's 23 years old model. I don't know very much about her political views but she was in close relationships with Nemtsov.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on February 28, 2015, 11:13:25 PM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

As I've read from the comments on the German site from where I took Nemtsov the fucker photo, a dead Nemtsov creates more trouble for Putin than a live one.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: thejaytiesto on February 28, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

The statement is pretty loaded and can fire both ways. What exactly are you trying to imply by it? Also, some proof about that Ukrainian woman being a fascist, please? I have no idea what her identity is, so I am curious.
Somebody joking that she is a prostitute. :D

But actually she's 23 years old model. I don't know very much about her political views but she was in close relationships with Nemtsov.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 01, 2015, 12:07:24 AM
russians are so weird.
Don't confuse this liberastic thug with russians. These demotards are seem weird not due to their nationality, but because of their schizophrenic activities. It doesn't depend on nationality and they would seem weird to any sensible person.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.
I'm talking about the one who was a witness to his death.

http://lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/02/150502/52b8c41a397fdb0fae13748354de583c.png

http://lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/02/150502/3b6ec881e44aad11c5975e170ba7d9ed.png

http://lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/02/150502/429bd9be1bd2e2da2cd6efc2758bb9c0.png

http://lifenewscontent.ru/static/posts/2015/02/150502/13293ec4d1bfe6dfa9d5e145bade4679.png

Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. :)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: notbatman on March 01, 2015, 12:50:16 AM
Nemtsov was a radical, there is no way he would have ever been president. The woman he was with was a Ukrainian fascist from Kiev.

This man had to die, and so will anyone else who wants to create revolution in Russia!

With statements like this it wouldn't surprise me if the assassination was just some lone radical who thought he was acting patriotically.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 01, 2015, 12:53:43 AM
With statements like this it wouldn't surprise me if the assassination was just some lone radical who thought he was acting patriotically.
That woudn't surprise me too.  ;D

Shame on me, but I have to admit that  "God bless the assasin, he deserves a long life and the prosperity" was my first thought on this event.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: bitgeek on March 01, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. :)

Wow ::) if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears. 


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 01, 2015, 04:02:55 PM
There is a $3 million bounty for the info about Nemcov's killing:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/281601-skr-poobeshchal-3-mln-rublei-za-tsennuyu-informatsiyu-ob-ubiistve-nemtsova

Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. :)

Wow ::) if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears.  

She refuses to make use of Russian witness protection program. She is now under guard as a witness, however her lawyer demands that she is let go:
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150301/1050270226.html
And an interesting twist of events. Official Kiev sent a note to Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs demanding that Durickaja is immediately sent to Ukraine. Makes you think why all the fuss from Kiev?
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/1/732083.html?jkl

And another twist, connecting to Ukraine. A march in memory of Nemcov was organised, counting 21000 participants (on such short notice: Charlie Hebdo, anyone?!). One of the participants was the present MP of Ukraine, Goncharenko, who was a present at the Odessa massacre last year and is suspected of burning people. He's been arrested on these charges:
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/3/1/732084.html

And, finally, Nemcov's murder was caught on camera, and the events can be fully reconstructed:
http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/62541


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 01, 2015, 04:13:46 PM
Wow ::) if a girl like that has something to say I'm all ears.  
Nothing special, there are millions of them.

And an interesting twist of events. Official Kiev sent a note to Russian Ministry of Foreign affairs demanding that Durickaja is immediately sent to Ukraine.
Oh yeah. And then we'll see some news about car accident, food poisoning or suicide.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 01, 2015, 06:12:29 PM
russians are so weird.
Don't confuse this liberastic thug with russians. These demotards are seem weird not due to their nationality, but because of their schizophrenic activities. It doesn't depend on nationality and they would seem weird to any sensible person.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.
I'm talking about the one who was a witness to his death.



Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. :)

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3uyWfd1iOMc/VPJvXFGqrNI/AAAAAAAAA6M/C54PTBx2sGA/s1600/_2.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3uyWfd1iOMc/VPJvXFGqrNI/AAAAAAAAA6M/C54PTBx2sGA/s1600/_2.jpg

please that's her true her... then you will see how little she will be once she met her real loved one, and he will see those pictures... now imagine her kids? bravo lady...


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 01, 2015, 07:13:38 PM
It doesn't look like it would suit Putin at the moment, but on the other hand it wouldn't be his first assassination. Somebody probably thought it would suit his KGB style ;)

Who ever did it, was right, such pigs to the severs.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Morbid on March 01, 2015, 08:12:00 PM
the name of this thread is very misleading and provocative.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 01, 2015, 08:21:34 PM
the name of this thread is very misleading and provocative.

don't ask them more... they can already write... almost a miracle in itself... even if it's ctrl+c/v most of the time. ahh yes they can tell which dress color they prefer... oooohhhrrraaa. eat your gmo, and stfu.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: grendel25 on March 01, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
You know, even if Putin didn't directly have it out for the guy there are Putin supporters who would take out Putin's adversaries.  It's just good evidence of why there needs to be term limits.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 01, 2015, 08:31:24 PM
You know, even if Putin didn't directly have it out for the guy there are Putin supporters who would take out Putin's adversaries.  It's just good evidence of why there needs to be term limits.

I agree the problem is that the West is waging wars against the rest of the world (including Russia, China, MENA+Iran, The first Angel, everyone that doesn't bow to the will of the overlord of d.c. and others hot spots of America and the west (like bruxel). So without any pretentions to know, but I don't know what would justify the change of the guards now... Right now, there is no American DU made on Russian soils, no gmos, the ccy is independent (don't worry as long as the WSers can come and leave freely in ns, they may, one day, open their eyes on the us scam and chose to join in), the Tigers are happy...

Frankly I am sure that the most "dangerous" people of the Russian Services would be very happy to be able to invite as friends a restored American citizen for a bisons (yes) to eat at their datcha and let this world of war and attrition and competition behind... but the amerikis don't want it. they want to rape, exploit and dominate.

my 0.01 r.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 01, 2015, 10:08:07 PM
You know, even if Putin didn't directly have it out for the guy there are Putin supporters who would take out Putin's adversaries.  It's just good evidence of why there needs to be term limits.

It doesn't look like it would suit Putin at the moment, but on the other hand it wouldn't be his first assassination. Somebody probably thought it would suit his KGB style ;)

Let's try to slap it at Putin in whatever way we can and see if it sticks, eh?

Oh, and Stargazer, what assassinations are you referring to? Proof?

the name of this thread is very misleading and provocative.

This, and of the other thread. That's the whole point of black PR.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 01, 2015, 10:50:05 PM
Just in, the article also includes the chronology of the events and a lot of background:

Lada’s Investigation: Who Benefits from the Death of the Russian Opposition Leader Boris Nemtsov?
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/ladas-investigation-who-benefits-from-the-death-of-the-russian-oppositioner-boris-nemtsov/

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I said on various occasions that attempts to destabilize the situation in Russia, and various provocations against Russia, will continue. In January, I also said that we should expect a massive false flag, possibly something to do with killing of major politicians. I, as many others, was watching Ukraine for that. But following the rule that watched pot never boils, while we were looking at Ukraine, it happened in Moscow.

However, there still is a very clear connection to Ukraine. Read about that below.

Today, on March 1, the Russian pro-West neo-liberal opposition, together with its leaders Boris Nemtsov, leader of the right-wing party Parnas, and Alexei Navalny, planed a mass anti-Putin rally in Moscow.
Just less than 2 days before that Boris Nemtsov was shot with six bullets into his back from a passing car, while strolling near Kremlin with his girlfriend, a Ukrainian model who just flew in from Kiev.
...
The anti-Russian sentiment in the EU started slowly subsiding as Berlin-Paris and Moscow are trying to work together on Ukraine peace. Because there is a growing rift between US and EU, US needs desperately to re-awaken the anti-Russian sentiment and animosity between EU and Russia and to ‘re-subdue’ Western Europe to its will. US cannot afford NOT to have EU firmly in its corner as it would further weaken the US empire and petrodollar. But EU is slowly but surely breaking away.

What does US want to accomplish with this false flag? US wants a bloody color revolution in Russia; they want destabilization with eventual break up of Russia, in order to take Russia over economically and militarily. US cannot win a hot war against Russia, therefore, the only way is to blow up the country from within.
...
Ukraine and Kiev junta benefit tremendously. Russia is a huge irritant for them. Russia is in their way of trying to conquer Donbass. They think that if Russia is busy with color revolution on Moscow streets, then Kiev junta is free to resume the killing of the Donbass people. In addition, the revenge scenario for Crimea, Donbass, and all other Kiev’s real or perceived humiliations, is equally plausible.
...
The important detail is the presence of a girlfriend from Kiev, who flew in just previously. All experts say as one that usually during a professional contract killing such as this companions never survive. This one did – unharmed. She knew him for a couple of years, they say. Was she a CIA asset, who was making sure Nemtsov was kept on a leash? Or was she for real, but with the latest events in Ukraine either ukro-nazis or the junta SBU got to her and her family? Was she threatened or paid off to lead him into the spot where he was shot and she lived? Either way, the girlfriend from Kiev is a very suspicious detail.

Another very interesting detail: The color revolution in Russia was being prepared in 2011-12, in time for the Vladimir Putin re-election, and Boris Nemtsov was supposed to be one of the leaders. At that time, oligarch Boris Berezovsky was plotting it from his London mansion. He openly said that the best way to start a maidan in Russia was to execute ‘the right sacrificial lamb.’ Berezovsky considered the charismatic and popular Nemtsov the right candidate. Nemtsov knew that.
...
It seems no one in Russia – not even Russian liberals – is buying into the ‘hand of the Kremlin’ idea. I foresee that as a result of this provocation, some Russian liberals may finally see the light and change their views from pro-Kiev-junta and pro-US to a more pro-Russian patriotic and balanced stance. One thing is to fight corruption and another thing is to work to undermine the Russian state, whether willingly or unwillingly. I see more anti-Putin Russian liberals opening their eyes to the fact that they are being a destructive tool being used by the US/West for their ulterior motives.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 02, 2015, 04:53:35 PM
It doesn't look like it would suit Putin at the moment, but on the other hand it wouldn't be his first assassination. Somebody probably thought it would suit his KGB style ;)

Let's try to slap it at Putin in whatever way we can and see if it sticks, eh?

Oh, and Stargazer, what assassinations are you referring to? Proof?

Alexander Litvinenko and Anna Politkovskaya.
The guy who poisoned Litvinenko immediately fled to Russia and became protected by the state. They denied his extradition and made him an MP.

It is interesting, that both cases have trails, leading to Chechenia and Berezovskij's.

In case of Politkovskaja, the case was resolved last year (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F,_%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0#.D0.A3.D0.B1.D0.B8.D0.B9.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B2.D0.BE). By the way, chief editor of "Novaja Ggazeta", where Politkovskaja worked, expressed satisfaction at how the investigation was conducted.

In case of Litvinenko, there are a lot of questions.
First: "The guy who poisoned Litvinenko" is actually "The guy whom the British baselessly accused of poisoning Litvinenko". There is a difference there.
Second. I wonder why some guys, according to statement from Litvinenko's wife, came to Litvinenko in the hospital, shaved his head and took several pictures of him (yes, those that went rounds in all MSM). Also, there is a discrepancy in the trace of polonium and his own movements, with traces appearing later in places, where they were not spotted first. Actually Litvinenko's case carries interesting false-flag-like similarity to the murder of Nemcov.
Third, Litvinenko had some interesting contacts in Italy, that were never officially investigated.
And finally, the Berezovskij nexus. From:
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/ladas-investigation-who-benefits-from-the-death-of-the-russian-oppositioner-boris-nemtsov

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Another very interesting detail: The color revolution in Russia was being prepared in 2011-12, in time for the Vladimir Putin re-election, and Boris Nemtsov was supposed to be one of the leaders. At that time, oligarch Boris Berezovsky was plotting it from his London mansion. He openly said that the best way to start a maidan in Russia was to execute ‘the right sacrificial lamb.’ Berezovsky considered the charismatic and popular Nemtsov the right candidate. Nemtsov knew that.

It’s interesting that Berezovsky himself became that sacrificial lamb a year later, after his plot failed. He was found in his London house after he ‘hung himself’ as UK investigators concluded,  but with suspicious bruises on his neck. It turned out that just previously, Berezovsky passed a secret letter to Putin asking for pardon and promising to spill the beans on his UK handlers. Shortly after, he died. Seeing that, Russia made public Berezovsky’s letter to Putin, which made it impossible to pin this murder on Russia and Putin, as they did with Litvinenko a few years earlier. As a result, UK had to urgently come up with the suicide verdict, despite the dead give away of the neck bruises.

Oh, and you still didn't answer my second question: "Proof?"


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: blablahblah on March 02, 2015, 05:44:30 PM
russians are so weird.
Don't confuse this liberastic thug with russians. These demotards are seem weird not due to their nationality, but because of their schizophrenic activities. It doesn't depend on nationality and they would seem weird to any sensible person.

23? she looks 50. And whats going on with that photo? whats the backstory? russians are so weird.
I'm talking about the one who was a witness to his death.



Anna Duritskaya, 23 years old ukrainian citizen. She had already testified as a witness. :)

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3uyWfd1iOMc/VPJvXFGqrNI/AAAAAAAAA6M/C54PTBx2sGA/s1600/_2.jpg
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3uyWfd1iOMc/VPJvXFGqrNI/AAAAAAAAA6M/C54PTBx2sGA/s1600/_2.jpg

please that's her true her... then you will see how little she will be once she met her real loved one, and he will see those pictures... now imagine her kids? bravo lady...

It's obviously just some party. Nobody cares.

Digging up dirt = character assassination. Why are you doing that? Do you have any idea how small the human population would be if wasn't for alcohol-assisted behaviour at parties? You would probably not exist.

Hypocrites... ::)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 05:49:30 PM
Don't worry. The main suspect has put himself in charge of the investigation. I'm sure he'll get to the bottom of this.  ::)
And now it's being reported that none of the security cameras on the bridge in front of the Kremlin were working. Oh, Please.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: blablahblah on March 02, 2015, 05:58:09 PM
https://propagandaschau.wordpress.com/2015/02/28/mord-an-boris-nemzow/

I always thought of Nemtsov as a stud, his face and smile had been ever betraying his thoughts and intentions. I absolutely like such photos. They speak louder than words.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-8AVD6VAAISAWy.jpg


And that one looks photoshopped -- where is the shadow cast by the bra strap?? Or the outline of the fingers? It looks like some artist just drew red and white stripes on top of his hand.

You guys are desperate to beLIEve.

By the way, did you know that the Sandy Hook shooting was actually caused by Right Wing Russians? The official US story is clearly just a cover-up, and there actually millions of FSB agents, assassins and other Russian baddies infiltrating the US this very minute!


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 02, 2015, 05:58:44 PM
Actually Litvinenko's case carries interesting false-flag-like similarity to the murder of Nemcov.
Everything is much simplier.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686828.msg10135672#msg10135672
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686828.msg10137479#msg10137479

I think it's obvious that he was involved into illegal polonium trade. It seems that his exposition to polonium was accidental.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 02, 2015, 07:09:15 PM
Who brought this murder ? We will never know ... really who is behind the curtains...

But for sure it showed some ... face of russia.

First, the big fail about Secret Service of Russia... all what you want FSB... this guy had many warnings about a possible murder or put in jail.

Ho yes, he get killed where in dark street ? ... no near the most know place in Moscow ... this is place is tracked down by so much Camera and ? Nothing :D

So or service secret was aware ... and let it do ... or ? They are so weak ?? I doubt ...

Seconde, the wife is keep under control in Russia and can not leave the country anymore ? Why ?

Third... Hoo yes they used a stupid car that they let in place ... but used 6 differents Bullets to avoid to trace the weapons ?

And the last one, Poutine is perhaps not behind, but russian press show/post since years ... radical attack with murder call... this is what Russia Press driver by Governement brought... simply !

Poutine or not ... this is not the main problem, now the problem is => If you are not in the same way of thinking of the governement, you can be simply killed ...

Of course you will tell me ... hey it can happend ... hoo yes , it can ... but it start to be frequent in russia when people who "stick" the governement ... they are killed .

Quote from: Peacefull Russia
2009[113]

4 January - Shafig Amrakhov, editor of news agency RIA 51, Murmansk, was shot in stairwell entrance from the traumatic pistol on 30 December 2008 and died in hospital.[114] Homicide [nJ].
4 January - Vladislav Zakharchuk, manager of the Arsenyevskie vesti newspaper in Vladivostok. Died in a fire under suspicious circumstances.[115]
19 January - Anastasia Baburova, Novaya gazeta, Moscow. On 19 January Stanislav Markelov, lawyer for Novaya gazeta, anti-fascist activist and opponent of human rights abuses in Chechnya, was shot and killed in the centre of Moscow.[116] With him died Anastasia Baburova a trainee reporter with Novaya Gazeta, and a fellow anti-fascist activist.[117][118] In early November 2009 a man and a woman were arrested for the killing.
30 March - Sergei Protazanov, layout artist with Grazhdanskoye soglasie newspaper, Khimki nr. Moscow. Link to work questioned. Incident not Confirmed [nJ].
29 June - Vyacheslav Yaroshenko, chief editor of Corruption and Criminality newspaper in Volgograd died after a severe head injuries in June. He was allegedly struck in the temple by the unknown assailant, although the local police claims fall from the ladder as the reason for injury.[119]
15 July - Natalia Estemirova,[120] a human rights activist with Memorial, who worked with journalists from Novaya gazeta, especially Anna Politkovskaya, and occasionally published in the newspaper herself, having been a TV reporter pre-1999. After years of investigating murders and kidnapping in Chechnya Estemirova was herself abducted that morning in Grozny and found, shot dead, by the roadside several hours later in neighbouring Ingushetia.[121] Homicide [J].
11 August - Malik Akhmedilov,[122] deputy chief editor of the Avar language newspaper Khakikat (Truth), was found shot dead near the Dagestan capital Makhachkala. Homicide [?J].
25 October - Maksharip Aushev was shot dead in Nalchik, capital of Kabardino-Balkaria.[123] When Magomed Yevloyev gave up running Ingushetia.ru, and his replacement (Rosa Malsagova) had to flee abroad to escape threats and harassment, Aushev ran the successor website Ingushetia.org. Link to past or present work unclear. Homicide [?J].
16 November - Olga Kotovskaya, Kaskad radio & TV company, Kaliningrad. Died in a fall from 14th storey-building under suspicious circumstances. Investigation under "Incitement to suicide" (Article 110).[124] [?J].
2010[125]

20 January - Konstantin Popov died from a beating received a fortnight earlier by Russian police, in a detoxification centre for drunk and disorderly.[126] 26-year-old police sergeant charged with his killing. Homicide [nJ].
23 February - Journalist Ivan Stepanov was stabbed to death at his dacha.[127] The murderers have been arrested and sentenced to 16 and 18 years of prison.[128] Homicide [nJ].
20 March - Maxim Zuyev was found murdered in a Kaliningrad flat he was renting. Seven years earlier he was interrogated by the city's police for publishing an anonymous letter alleging corruption among high-ranking police officers in the enclave.[129][130][131][132] "Crime solved", says Investigative Committee.
5 May - Shamil Aliyev, founder of two radio stations and a director of TV network was shot in his car by two unidentified attackers, who also killed his bodyguard and wounded driver.[133][134] Homicide [?J]
13 May - Said Magomedov, director of local television station, Sergokalinsky district, Dagestan. Shot dead when travelling with repairmen to restore sabotaged TV transmitter. Terrorist act [J].
25 June - Dmitry Okkert, Moscow. A presenter with the Expert TV channel, Okkert was found stabbed to death in his own apartment. The director of the Expert media holding, Valery Fadeyev, does not believe that the brutal killing of his colleague was linked to his journalistic activities. Homicide [?J].
25 July - Bella Ksalova, Cherkessk. A correspondent for the Caucasian Knot website and news agency, Ksalova died in a hospital after being hit by a car near her home. The driver was sentenced to 3 1/4 years in penal colony.[135]
1 August - Malika Betiyeva, Grozny-Shatoi highway. The deputy chief editor of Molodyozhnaya smena, and Chechnya correspondent of the "Dosh" (Word) magazine, died with four of her immediate family when a speeding jeep crashed into her car.[136]
11 August - Magomed Sultanmagomedov, Makhachkala. The director of the "Makhachkala TV" station died in the hospital after his car was shot at from another vehicle. This was preceded by an attempted bombing in 18 November 2008.[137] [J]
23 October - Yevgeny Fedotov died in a hospital due to the head injuries received in a violent quarrel with his neighbour. The latter has been charged for manslaughter.[138]
2011

15 December - Gadzhimurat Kamalov, Makhachkala. Investigative reporter - shot 6 times in a drive-by outside his newspaper's offices.[139][140]
Under Putin[edit]
2012[edit]
7 July - Alexander Khodzinsky, journalist in Tulun, was stabbed to death by a local businessman Gennady Zhigarev, former deputy.[141]
5 December - Kazbek Gekkiev, journalist for local TV programmes in Kabardino-Balkaria, was shot dead on street of Nalchik, after threats from local wahhabi extremists.[142]
2013[edit]
9 July - Akhmednabi Akhmednabiev, deputy editor of the Novoe Delo was killed (after numerous death threats and previous assassination attempt in January 2013[143]) by several gunshots while he was driving just 50 metres from his house on the outskirts of provincial capital Makhachkala.[144][145][146]
2014[edit]
1 August - journalist and human rights activist Timur Kuashev was abducted from his home and later found dead in Kabardino-Balkaria.[147] Kuashev was previously stopped by local police for a number of times and received death threats.[148]

Of course Russia is not under civil war...


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: RodeoX on March 02, 2015, 07:13:00 PM
Remember just before the murder he said he had proof that Russia was sending troops to Ukraine. That is how you get shot in Russia. You tell the truth.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 02, 2015, 09:59:05 PM
Remember just before the murder he said he had proof that Russia was sending troops to Ukraine. That is how you get shot in Russia. You tell the truth.

No, I don't remember. He made relatively little noise while alive, having discredited himself by plundering Russia during the 90s. Please give reference. My impression of him is that he was not stupid. If he indeed had some damning evidence, he would have ensured himself by standard practice that in case he dies, everything becomes publicised.

Oh, and there is nothing suspicious about that Ukrainian girl, who comes the day before the murder, lures him onto a deserted bridge, and then doesn't see anyone shooting Nemcov, and remains alive herself, when in such cases those who are close by are killed as well as per the practice from the 90s. Nothing to think here, move along...

Apropos 90s:
http://stanislavs.org/for-russia-90s-were-worse-than-wwii/


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: coinpr0n on March 02, 2015, 10:23:20 PM
You know, even if Putin didn't directly have it out for the guy there are Putin supporters who would take out Putin's adversaries.  It's just good evidence of why there needs to be term limits.

Ride or die. The man owns the place, someone's got to keep it down. Either way he most probably knew something.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: beetcoin on March 03, 2015, 02:08:09 AM
Remember just before the murder he said he had proof that Russia was sending troops to Ukraine. That is how you get shot in Russia. You tell the truth.

I don't think that was the biggest reason why he was killed. What repercussions would Putin have to face if he Nemcov revealed this evidence? We all know he had troops sent to Ukraine.. but that doesn't matter, because he'll just continue to deny it, even if there's irrefutable evidence.

Besides that, if Putin cared about that proof so much, he wouldn't have had Nemcov killed because everyone would assume it was by his hands.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tvbcof on March 03, 2015, 04:26:00 AM

I'm sure glad that such terrible things don't happen here in the U.S.  <cough - Michael Hastings - cough - Paul Wellstone - cough>



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Chef Ramsay on March 03, 2015, 04:31:40 AM
I've thought of and read other ideas as in, western intelligence has pulled the plug on this guy, rather than Putin to make him look bad. Like, who stands to gain in this when Putin had decent approval ratings coming in and China teaming up with them on things? Could be Mossad or MI6, something to think about I guess. ;)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 03, 2015, 08:09:30 AM
I've thought of and read other ideas as in, western intelligence has pulled the plug on this guy, rather than Putin to make him look bad. Like, who stands to gain in this when Putin had decent approval ratings coming in and China teaming up with them on things? Could be Mossad or MI6, something to think about I guess. ;)

Have you ever asked why on camera, the snow truck cleaner is just in front of the murder to hide it ? ....

Russia is always so proud to show evidence for everything .... Mossad or MI6 has nothing to do in this crappy murder.. why ? Because since Sanctions with the rest of the world ... FSB/ExGGB and all others secret service in Russia are not sleeping at all .... lol

And doing this actually could be marked as act of war, why others country would bug to create this shit ?

No need to push russia to kill their oposant ... this is done already since long time by themselve... this is only the reaction of the corruption ... mostly used in Russia.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 03, 2015, 11:29:47 AM
Remember just before the murder he said he had proof that Russia was sending troops to Ukraine. That is how you get shot in Russia. You tell the truth.

I don't think that was the biggest reason why he was killed. What repercussions would Putin have to face if he Nemcov revealed this evidence? 1: We all know he had troops sent to Ukraine.. but that doesn't matter, because he'll just continue to deny it, even if there's irrefutable evidence.

Besides that, if Putin cared about that proof so much, 2: he wouldn't have had Nemcov killed because everyone would assume it was by his hands.

1: No, we don't. "Everybody knows" is a dangerous expression, which really means "there is no proof, but someone with an agenda beats this into everybody's heads that they start thinking that they know". We can suspect. I would say Russia has a few advisors and is probably sharing intelligence with the leadership of DNR and LNR. However, all the claims of the "troops" are ludicrous exactly because they would have been so easy to prove by the adversary - the USA - who has all its satellites and grounds intel trained on this spot, looking for Russian troops and failing to find them for already almost a year.

PS, EDIT: There is one thing that I find fascinating. Is it so difficult to believe that a multi-million population can produce enough warriors, who are capable of holding off an aggressor? They are fighting for their homes, their families, their land. Unlike the attackers, they are highly motivated. They have access to the Ukrainian military hardware - both what was present in the military bases of Donetsk and Lugansk oblast's and what they captured from the invading forces. And finally, they have military command, who trained in the Soviet Army, many having the battle experience from Soviet-time hot-spots. They don't need Russian help (except when it comes to food and medicines). Just like Soviet Union didn't need help to beat the Germans out of its land.

2: Exactly. I said it before. Nemcov was hardly a problem for Putin while alive. His "opposition", having discredited itself by plundering Russia in favour of the Americans during the 90s, hardly ad 0.5% of support. While dead, Nemcov has suddenly become a much bigger problem. One can try demonise Putin in many ways, but you can't call him stupid to do this... A stupid politician wouldn't have survived in the turbulent post-90s Russia and wouldn't have managed to bring back order and restore some of the destroyed economy.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 03, 2015, 01:21:30 PM
2: Exactly. I said it before. Nemcov was hardly a problem for Putin while alive. His "opposition", having discredited itself by plundering Russia in favour of the Americans during the 90s, hardly ad 0.5% of support. While dead, Nemcov has suddenly become a much bigger problem. One can try demonise Putin in many ways, but you can't call him stupid to do this... A stupid politician wouldn't have survived in the turbulent post-90s Russia and wouldn't have managed to bring back order and restore some of the destroyed economy.

Or he was aware about ... and let things happend ! Do not tell me that Secret service in Russia was not aware about as we know that everything is under strong audit .... phone, internet ....

Camera picture ? ... i am pretty sure they know who are already behind... we will find 3-4 simple guy linked to right wings or extreme party ... but who called to murder ? We will never knows as all past crime done in Russia ( mostly political & press murder ).

I still can not figure -> How police has been so slow to find 1 car .... ( not the white one ... this one is just to fool people .. ) but the dark one who deposit the killer ...



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: oblivi on March 03, 2015, 02:37:17 PM
Putin is a dictator at the level of north korean and venezuelan and cuban nutjobs. He needs to get stopped. At least the critic was enjoying the highest quality pussy judging by his "girlfriend".


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 03, 2015, 05:09:41 PM
Putin is a dictator at the level of north korean and venezuelan and cuban nutjobs. He needs to get stopped. At least the critic was enjoying the highest quality pussy judging by his "girlfriend".

And your assertion that Putin is a dictator is based on what exactly? Because Obama told you to think so?
He needs to be stopped? Stopped doing what? Rebuilding Russia? You'd find that over 80% of Russians do not agree with you and they don't want to go back to the murderous 90s of US-controlled Yeltsin. US State Department are busy at it, by the way, as this provocation sabotage, the murder of Nemcov testifies.

Apropos Obama, he was very quick to jump on the Russia-bashing bandwagon today (well, he is probably the one calling the shots, literally), saying how terrible Russia is in light of this murder.



Now back to facts.

Spokesperson for the Investigation committee, Markin, said that investigation is made difficult by all the info-war desinformation floating around. He further said that any official information regarding this case will come from the Investigation Committee, the rest is hearsay.
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150303/1050701302.html

The investigation group has a number of clues showing that Ukrainian SBU is involved. They are now checking information that the SBU order to kill Nemcov was executed by Chechen terrorists from the so-called "Dudaev" battalion that fights on the side of Kiev-Nazis. The specific suspects is a married couple of Adam Osmaev (who is also investigated in relation to an attempted assassination of Putin) and Amina Okueva. According to the working hypothesis, they are thus making revenge for the death of their leader, Isa Munaev, who was killed during the fighting in Donbass.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/03/dudaev/


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: RodeoX on March 03, 2015, 06:45:57 PM

Now back to facts.

Spokesperson for the Investigation committee, Markin, said that investigation is made difficult by all the info-war desinformation floating around. He further said that any official information regarding this case will come from the Investigation Committee, the rest is hearsay.
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150303/1050701302.html

That is what you call a fact in Russia? An official told you that only the official facts are true and everyone else must be lying? Dude you live in a dictatorship.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 03, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
Spokesperson for the Investigation committee, Markin, said that investigation is made difficult by all the info-war desinformation floating around. He further said that any official information regarding this case will come from the Investigation Committee, the rest is hearsay.
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150303/1050701302.html

The investigation group has a number of clues showing that Ukrainian SBU is involved. They are now checking information that the SBU order to kill Nemcov was executed by Chechen terrorists from the so-called "Dudaev" battalion that fights on the side of Kiev-Nazis. The specific suspects is a married couple of Adam Osmaev (who is also investigated in relation to an attempted assassination of Putin) and Amina Okueva. According to the working hypothesis, they are thus making revenge for the death of their leader, Isa Munaev, who was killed during the fighting in Donbass.
http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/03/dudaev/

You mean Markin ... the guys in the black car with red line ... more powerfull then FSB/KGB ... but directly powered by Poutine ? Please ... show me just 1 independant gov departement in Russia ... and i will beleive you !

Ukrainian SBU ... Why they would kill someone who was showing all proof that Russian weapons / army was in Donbass ?

Working hypothesis ... this is the real problem ... in russia everything is one hypothesis ... coming from the Poutine's Mind ... Poutine is a liar and a big one ... no more any country will trust his words as everyone know he lie openly ... he is arrogant , rude, and really no education ...

Do we need to recall you the "bad joke" to Merkel with the joke about wedding ? When you are a president of a country ... you can make this joke to your family and you must show example ... telling to all people around that "you are fucked if you get married ... "
How he get kicked from chinese by wanting to give his clothes to official chinese lady ?

He has no education , that's a fact !

Now the story part ... seems all dictators have sunglass :D but soon ... Poutine will be good friend with Kim Jung ... for sure, they have already the same way of thinking ... i am the master, and people ..i do not care this is no my life, i have 200 billions and if people die in street ... what else ?

And lastly, when i read that governement will get 10% less of salary ... what a joke ... they get around 5000 Euros/Month LoL ... either if you remove 500 Euros / months what will change for them ?

80% people of Russia like Poutine or Fear poutine ?




Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 03, 2015, 07:07:12 PM

http://lenta.ru/news/2015/03/03/dudaev/

When lenta will be independant ... i will beleive them ... proof ?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26543464

Quote from: fired
The decision to dismiss Ms Timchenko was made by Lenta.ru's owner Alexander Mamut. It was immediately criticised by the website's editorial staff who complained of direct pressure being placed on them and a "dramatic decline" in the scope for free journalism in Russia.

"The dismissal of an independent chief editor and the appointment of a person who can be controlled from outside, including directly from offices in the Kremlin - that is already a violation of the media law," read the statement signed by 69 Lenta staff on the website's front page.

I like the -> controlled by Offices in the Kremlin


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 04, 2015, 08:38:37 AM
http://i38.servimg.com/u/f38/14/82/74/35/11038510.jpg


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 04, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/02/27/nemtsovs-assassination-propaganda-attack-putin/


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 04, 2015, 09:03:55 PM

Now back to facts.

Spokesperson for the Investigation committee, Markin, said that investigation is made difficult by all the info-war desinformation floating around. He further said that any official information regarding this case will come from the Investigation Committee, the rest is hearsay.
http://ria.ru/incidents/20150303/1050701302.html

That is what you call a fact in Russia? An official told you that only the official facts are true and everyone else must be lying? Dude you live in a dictatorship.

No, that's not what either I or the IC said, but I applaud you for twisting the statement for your own propaganda use.

Again that they are the official source of information on the progress of the investigation. They are very open about it, sharing the version they are working on and they welcome contributions.

Some more info:
http://rt.com/news/237577-fsb-nemtsov-suspects-identified/

Quote
The politician’s murder could have been provocation to destabilize the political situation in Russia, according to the Russian Investigative Committee.

They are also looking into four other possible reasons behind Nemtsov’s killing. It could have been linked to the threats the politician received over his stance on the Charlie Hebdo shootings in Paris, or the current civil war in eastern Ukraine. The politician’s business activities and a possible assault related to his personal life are also being investigated.



By the way, a driver of a car that passed 3 minutes after the murder, sent the video from his front-camera recorder to a journalist, who published it and passed the material on to the IC (with the drivers consent).
http://www.forbes.ru/news/281903-zhurnalistka-vylozhila-zapis-videoregistratora-s-mesta-ubiistva-nemtsova



I need help from an American to construct an analogy. Can you name an American politician from the organised opposition to Obama (and the two parties in US are not in opposition to each other). Paul Craig Roberts can be a candidate for opposition, but he's a loner, and he won't fit the next requirement: He must have actively tried to dismantle the American defence system and economy, and sold key American interests to either Russia or China. He should also spend a lot of time in the Russian embassy on consultations on how to implement regime change in America and receive grants to this end. Any such American politician come to mind? He's then be a good analogy for Nemcov.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: blablahblah on March 06, 2015, 11:41:11 PM
Putin is a dictator at the level of north korean and venezuelan and cuban nutjobs. He needs to get stopped. At least the critic was enjoying the highest quality pussy judging by his "girlfriend".

And your assertion that Putin is a dictator is based on what exactly?

When political opponents get killed, that is strong evidence that the system is a dictatorship/ highly authoritarian, as mentioned above. The details -- whether or not Putin or one of his subordinates gave the order -- are irrelevant. The important point is that the uncivilised environment (as demonstrated by the murderous activity near the Kremlin) is not conducive to running a country in a way that upholds advanced social and cultural values.

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Because Obama told you to think so? He needs to be stopped? Stopped doing what? Rebuilding Russia?
What makes you believe that Putin has helped rather than hindered Russia's "rebuilding"?
With so many natural resources, over 100 million people, and plenty of entrepreneurs wanting to profit, it's quite conceivable that a chimpanzee would do a better job as president than Putin. The chimpanzee would simply be an entertaining distraction that makes regular appearances on state television, and shakes hands with foreign leaders, while Russia is rapidly rebuilt into a Laissez faire Libertarian utopia.

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You'd find that over 80% of Russians do not agree with you...

Which propaganda poll are you parroting?


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Rishblitz on March 07, 2015, 02:52:43 AM
When you become a critic of a regime you live in you put on many risks and he accepted that risk.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Agestorzrxx on March 07, 2015, 05:01:05 AM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 07, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
Putin is a dictator at the level of north korean and venezuelan and cuban nutjobs. He needs to get stopped. At least the critic was enjoying the highest quality pussy judging by his "girlfriend".

And your assertion that Putin is a dictator is based on what exactly?

When political opponents get killed, that is strong evidence that the system is a dictatorship/ highly authoritarian, as mentioned above. The details -- whether or not Putin or one of his subordinates gave the order -- are irrelevant. The important point is that the uncivilised environment (as demonstrated by the murderous activity near the Kremlin) is not conducive to running a country in a way that upholds advanced social and cultural values.

Out of 43 U.S. presidents 4 were assassinated, which makes roughly 10%. In 1981 Ronald Reagan became the first U.S. President to survive being shot in an assassination attempt. What is it when your political opponents kill you, democracy?

What about John Kennedy who was assassinated by the CIA?



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: blablahblah on March 07, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
Out of Blaaah.. some other country.... Blaaahhh some other president..... became the first.... blaaaahhh. What is it when blaaaahhhh changing the subject....

What about Blaaaaaahhh who was assassinated by blaaaaahh?


I don't give a shit about some other country that is not the topic of discussion here. The topic is Russia, not America or their shit.

If the Russian system was so great, he would still be alive.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
Out of Blaaah.. some other country.... Blaaahhh some other president..... became the first.... blaaaahhh. What is it when blaaaahhhh changing the subject....

What about Blaaaaaahhh who was assassinated by blaaaaahh?


I don't give a shit about some other country that is not the topic of discussion here. The topic is Russia, not America or their shit.

If the Russian system was so great, he would still be alive.

some people are bad, they have to die, otherwise they hurt good people.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: GayRussia! on March 07, 2015, 11:12:04 AM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

https://i.imgur.com/K0NBXxq.jpg


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

https://i.imgur.com/K0NBXxq.jpg

liars, the FEDERATION doesn't feed it's children with toxic foods. end of the discussion.

edit: and if you wanna die, just please, have the money so that your family doesn't have to pay the funerals. thx. (am I too unpolitically correct for you? lol, I don't care).


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: GayRussia! on March 07, 2015, 11:22:38 AM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

https://i.imgur.com/K0NBXxq.jpg

liars, the FEDERATION doesn't feed it's children with toxic foods. end of the discussion.

edit: and if you wanna die, just please, have the money so that your family doesn't have to pay the funerals. thx. (am I too unpolitically correct for you? lol, I don't care).

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 11:26:11 AM

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)

you better should; no, already spinning?


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: GayRussia! on March 07, 2015, 11:29:04 AM

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)

you better should; no, already spinning?

i am flattered sir but i not swing that way. thank yu  :)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 11:30:22 AM

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)

you better should; no, already spinning?

i am flattered sir but i not swing that way. thank yu  :)

who tells you that you are going to be able to chose the way you swing, you believe to be too important for your own safety.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: GayRussia! on March 07, 2015, 11:35:40 AM

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)

you better should; no, already spinning?

i am flattered sir but i not swing that way. thank yu  :)

who tells you that you are going to be able to chose the way you swing, you believe to be too important for your own safety.

get ready it will reign naked man in your neighbor hood soon!

https://i.imgur.com/7wdcjA3.jpg


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 12:08:09 PM

I think i understand. are you asking me out on a date? ;)

you better should; no, already spinning?

i am flattered sir but i not swing that way. thank yu  :)

who tells you that you are going to be able to chose the way you swing, you believe to be too important for your own safety.

get ready it will reign naked man in your neighbor hood soon!

https://i.imgur.com/7wdcjA3.jpg

as said in the far wild west, the first to die loses, unless he is with ... hf.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 07, 2015, 12:48:41 PM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

Tell us another! This has always been a prerogative of the U.S. administration to be stubborn about making any compromises and trade-offs. "Russian Reset" was set to be a reminder that Russia should return to the spineless and toothless policies of the '90s.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 07, 2015, 12:52:21 PM
Out of Blaaah.. some other country.... Blaaahhh some other president..... became the first.... blaaaahhh. What is it when blaaaahhhh changing the subject....

What about Blaaaaaahhh who was assassinated by blaaaaahh?


I don't give a shit about some other country that is not the topic of discussion here. The topic is Russia, not America or their shit.

If the Russian system was so great, he would still be alive.

You can be only as great as others are small. How do you say that "the Russian system" is not great, huh? If it is not great, what is great then? Reveal to us the true greatness (or shut up and walk away).



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 01:09:41 PM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

Tell us another! This has always been a prerogative of the U.S. administration to be stubborn about making any compromises and trade-offs. "Russian Reset" was set to be a reminder that Russia should return to the spineless and toothless policies of the '90s.

applause to the king of the hunters S: the velocyraptors team.

you don't feed gmo + round up unless you want to wipe out a part of your population (funnily the less educated and less financially connected to the ctrl+p) = GENOCIDE.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 07, 2015, 01:29:50 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 07, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

Tell us another! This has always been a prerogative of the U.S. administration to be stubborn about making any compromises and trade-offs. "Russian Reset" was set to be a reminder that Russia should return to the spineless and toothless policies of the '90s.

On top of that, you should not even argue against his conclusion, as it is based on a logical fallacy, and is thus invalid.
His "Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do." is an example of the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority
Well, I am a Russian, born in RSFSR, and being Russian I can say that Putin's Russia is nothing like USSR (when you ended up in prison or loony bin for descent), or Yeltsin's Russia (when you got shot if you opposed the "oligarchal" plundering of the state). Oh, and having lived in the West of a long time, I can with all authority state that West is a hegemonic dictatorship under US thumb. See, this works both ways.

Also, if "This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition.", then how come Russia has a plethora of political parties, many of them in sharp opposition (unlike the two parties in USA)? How come Russia has a lot of diverse media, again, openly criticizing some of the government policies (those Russia's real problems are not the ones that can make loud headlines in the Western press, as they bear a lot of semblance to the problems that the West itself has - pension age, salaries, corruption)? There is a popular political talk show, hosted by Solovjov, who invites guests, who are openly hostile to either Russia or Putin or both - he also invites guests from abroad. Yet they get air time, they can say what they think (sometimes using language bordering on unprintable) and they are guaranteed safety. In American political talk shows you usually see such guests being shut up and ridiculed.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 07, 2015, 02:47:01 PM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

Tell us another! This has always been a prerogative of the U.S. administration to be stubborn about making any compromises and trade-offs. "Russian Reset" was set to be a reminder that Russia should return to the spineless and toothless policies of the '90s.

On top of that, you should not even argue against his conclusion, as it is based on a logical fallacy, and is thus invalid.
His "Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do." is an example of the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority
Well, I am a Russian, born in RSFSR, and being Russian I can say that Putin's Russia is nothing like USSR (when you ended up in prison or loony bin for descent), or Yeltsin's Russia (when you got shot if you opposed the "oligarchal" plundering of the state). Oh, and having lived in the West of a long time, I can with all authority state that West is a hegemonic dictatorship under US thumb. See, this works both ways.

Also, if "This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition.", then how come Russia has a plethora of political parties, many of them in sharp opposition (unlike the two parties in USA)? How come Russia has a lot of diverse media, again, openly criticizing some of the government policies (those Russia's real problems are not the ones that can make loud headlines in the Western press, as they bear a lot of semblance to the problems that the West itself has - pension age, salaries, corruption)? There is a popular political talk show, hosted by Solovjov, who invites guests, who are openly hostile to either Russia or Putin or both - he also invites guests from abroad. Yet they get air time, they can say what they think (sometimes using language bordering on unprintable) and they are guaranteed safety. In American political talk shows you usually see such guests being shut up and ridiculed.

Most likely he actually meant to say that if opposition is weak, disorganized, and terribly lacks popularity at that (which is the case in Russia as I know), then it is definitely eliminated with "the iron boot of a dictatorship". Strictly speaking, he is right to a degree, it is being, in effect, "eliminated", but surely not in the way he would want it to look like.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 07, 2015, 03:56:19 PM
Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do. This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition. This is how it works outside the US. This is why there can never be any negotiations on the Ukraine, or Iran. This underscores the incredibly dangerous and naïve attitude of the Obama administration towards Russia, and the utterly ridiculous notion of a "Russian Reset". Perhaps this opposition movement can gain some momentum, but I doubt it. The prevalence of fear is the norm in Russia. It has been for 100 years now.

Tell us another! This has always been a prerogative of the U.S. administration to be stubborn about making any compromises and trade-offs. "Russian Reset" was set to be a reminder that Russia should return to the spineless and toothless policies of the '90s.

On top of that, you should not even argue against his conclusion, as it is based on a logical fallacy, and is thus invalid.
His "Those who think Putin has nothing to do with it do not understand Russians, or Slavs to begin with. Being one, I do." is an example of the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority
Well, I am a Russian, born in RSFSR, and being Russian I can say that Putin's Russia is nothing like USSR (when you ended up in prison or loony bin for descent), or Yeltsin's Russia (when you got shot if you opposed the "oligarchal" plundering of the state). Oh, and having lived in the West of a long time, I can with all authority state that West is a hegemonic dictatorship under US thumb. See, this works both ways.

Also, if "This is the iron boot of a dictatorship eliminating the opposition.", then how come Russia has a plethora of political parties, many of them in sharp opposition (unlike the two parties in USA)? How come Russia has a lot of diverse media, again, openly criticizing some of the government policies (those Russia's real problems are not the ones that can make loud headlines in the Western press, as they bear a lot of semblance to the problems that the West itself has - pension age, salaries, corruption)? There is a popular political talk show, hosted by Solovjov, who invites guests, who are openly hostile to either Russia or Putin or both - he also invites guests from abroad. Yet they get air time, they can say what they think (sometimes using language bordering on unprintable) and they are guaranteed safety. In American political talk shows you usually see such guests being shut up and ridiculed.

thanks again Nemo1024... and how to improve if critics aren't allowed to express themselves? America will learn this mistake, it will cost them the life of their children, fuku, gmos, round up, frack fluids, hfcs, vaccinations, ctrl+p... they will go to funerals often.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Snipe85 on March 07, 2015, 07:27:56 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...
They are probably being tortured as we speak... I mean their testimonies are being written down.  ;)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 07, 2015, 09:16:02 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...
They are probably being tortured as we speak... I mean their testimonies are being written down.  ;)
One of them, Zaur Dadaev, is a deputy commander of "North" battalion of the Chechen Republic. I guess some people soon will say that assassination was ordered by Ramzan Kadyrov.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 07, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...
They are probably being tortured as we speak... I mean their testimonies are being written down.  ;)
One of them, Zaur Dadaev, is a deputy commander of "North" battalion of the Chechen Republic. I guess some people soon will say that assassination was ordered by Ramzan Kadyrov.

Who is a known pet boy of Vladimir Putin, so we won't have to wait long until associations are made, conclusions drawn, and accusations charged with all the might and magic of Western media.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: chopstick on March 08, 2015, 05:28:56 AM
False Flag provocation committed by CIA


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: blablahblah on March 08, 2015, 01:50:19 PM
some people are bad, they have to die, otherwise they hurt good people.

Attitudes such as yours, are the real reason why westerners may appear "prejudiced" against Russia. But it's not prejudice. You incriminate yourselves with your own words, and then ignorantly wonder why Russia does not have respect.

Who judges good and bad?

If the dead guy did something "bad", then why wasn't he taken into custody and tried in a court of law? These social customs in the form of courts, judges, jury and so forth have evolved over thousands of years, whereas killing is something that primitive animals do.

Do Russians really want to be seen as primitive animals?

And what's this obsession about death? Everybody dies eventually, even without Russian assistance. Where did that "they have to die" crap come from? If they don't teach it in Russian schools, then where did you get it?

You're an embarrassment to humanity.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: tee-rex on March 08, 2015, 01:53:01 PM
some people are bad, they have to die, otherwise they hurt good people.

Attitudes such as yours, are the real reason why westerners may appear "prejudiced" against Russia. But it's not prejudice. You incriminate yourselves with your own words, and then ignorantly wonder why Russia does not have respect.

Who judges good and bad?

If the dead guy did something "bad", then why wasn't he taken into custody and tried in a court of law? These social customs in the form of courts, judges, jury and so forth have evolved over thousands of years, whereas killing is something that primitive animals do.

Do Russians really want to be seen as primitive animals?

And what's this obsession about death? Everybody dies eventually, even without Russian assistance. Where did that "they have to die" crap come from? If they don't teach it in Russian schools, then where did you get it?

You're an embarrassment to humanity.

And should be subject to immediate extermination. Do you want to be seen so primitive, blablahblah? "I am the law, I am the Hague!"

Why do you hate Russians so much?


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 08, 2015, 03:09:49 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...
They are probably being tortured as we speak... I mean their testimonies are being written down.  ;)
One of them, Zaur Dadaev, is a deputy commander of "North" battalion of the Chechen Republic. I guess some people soon will say that assassination was ordered by Ramzan Kadyrov.
http://rt.com/news/238813-nemtsov-murder-charged-court/

Five arrested, one of them confessed.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 08, 2015, 03:11:16 PM
Meanwhile, two suspects were arrested...
They are probably being tortured as we speak... I mean their testimonies are being written down.  ;)
One of them, Zaur Dadaev, is a deputy commander of "North" battalion of the Chechen Republic. I guess some people soon will say that assassination was ordered by Ramzan Kadyrov.
http://rt.com/news/238813-nemtsov-murder-charged-court/

Five arrested, one of them confessed.

what is the tax rate already in Russia? expect more attacks from the westerners... and if you know the conclusion of Jesse (no one else) you will know what it means for the street.

(relatively rand is a goat in comparison)


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 08, 2015, 03:21:47 PM
what is the tax rate already in Russia?
http://www.worldwide-tax.com/russia/russia_tax.asp


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 08, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
what is the tax rate already in Russia?
http://www.worldwide-tax.com/russia/russia_tax.asp

I know don't worry it was rhetorical :D. and lvl of debt? power of canceling foreign landlords? lol sovereign, like I like it:).


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 08, 2015, 08:06:26 PM
What a joke.... now of course he get killed because "Charlie Hebdo" ... so you will explain me that old Army man...and an ex old cop in the police of Kadirov, decorated ...... and none of the secret service in Russia was aware about this murder ....

So at least we know one thing now ... in Russia anybody can kill someone in Governement whithout fear to get busted by secret service before .... strange because when we read the famous RT/novosty or any stupid pro Kremlin ... secret service in Russia is so strong and dangerous ...  Who lie ? RT/propaganda ? or Kremlin ?



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 08, 2015, 08:13:41 PM
http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/Mat-podozrevaemogo-v-ubiystve-Nemcova-Dadaeva-schitaet-chto-ee-syn-ne-prichasten-k-prestupleniyu-70222.html

Of course they lie  ;D

But more interesting is here ...

http://cars-drive.livejournal.com/866598.html



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 08, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
http://gordonua.com/news/worldnews/Mat-podozrevaemogo-v-ubiystve-Nemcova-Dadaeva-schitaet-chto-ee-syn-ne-prichasten-k-prestupleniyu-70222.html

Of course they lie  ;D

Only God and your heart/soul don't lie, will you be able to listen? I don't think I was/am/will be but will try, who knows :), but God. ofc it's easier to get along than follow this path... who said... anyway, or you get it now, or you are forevermore lost. so why shall I care? but watch the decay and transition? tell me...


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 08, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
God ... ? How do you know that he do not lie ... first show me proof that it exists !

Why i would like to lie ... ? You mix ... personnal post and propaganda :D ...

But perhpas this message is full of lie too

http://cars-drive.livejournal.com/866598.html

Come one ... not everybody is pro russian and like "mother land" :D just because they have "patriotic rulez" and do not try to understand the fact !

Thus we see an interesting situation: the arrests of the murderers and press leaks narrow the room for moving for Putin.

What should he do for Delimkhanov, and .. Kadyrov? If it's really that killed Dadaïev Nemtsov, this means that there is serious opposition forces in the entourage of the master of the Kremlin.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: BitMos on March 08, 2015, 08:27:31 PM
God ... ? How do you know that he do not lie ... first show me proof that it exists !

Why i would like to lie ... ? You mix ... personnal post and propaganda :D ...

But perhpas this message is full of lie too

http://cars-drive.livejournal.com/866598.html



Come one ... not everybody is pro russian and like "mother land" :D just because they have "patriotic rulez" and do not try to understand the fact !

Thus we see an interesting situation: the arrests of the murderers and press leaks narrow the room for moving for Putin.

What should he do for Delimkhanov, and .. Kadyrov? If it's really that killed Dadaïev Nemtsov, this means that there is serious opposition forces in the entourage of the master of the Kremlin.

miscreant, apostolate (of the void), what ever you say is filth, I don't care, retro satanas, what ever... like h2o vaper next to a star, vaporized your ideology is. piker. and you will bow... ohhh yeah, but I will not be there. you alone, and low... very.

so your litmus test is successful? if you believe so it's because you can only see a few futures... not all... I don't cares. you understand that? you are has been. failed, betrayed, I tried it all, but you don't want to move on... you stick to your shit (not guns, it' a myth, everyone has them, but real warfare like, not toys against the police... pikers, dream on)

sorry.

Snake beat elephants difficultly... Dragon swope it all, cut it, cook it, burn it, prepare it, serve it, and you never saw one single move, but you taste snake elephant meat... the duck... :D piker, so little, so poor, they didn't invented paper, how could they understand, little thieves.

edit: As many mens way more courageous than both of us said, I fear nothing but God, understand that He is the most loving.... (52+) but remember I fear nothing but God.... (and the Combat AIs agreed).

typical between a religious of one of the western sect and some one who knows his place in the universe... curiously not thaught at universities... go figure :D.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 08, 2015, 08:41:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeYlqQ0U6GQ

I like the propaganda on TV russia, after all .. this is the first Russian TV ( pro kremlin ) ... for sure we can see who & where are the faschist...

"Burried heart of gay" "reduce USA in powder with atomic weapons" ..

Russia send troop in border of Russia, kill politic oposant, press ... send troop , lie to all the World about Crimea...

And what on TV / press Russia => Europe is Faschist ... LoL what a joke... really.




Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 09, 2015, 03:51:29 PM
http://rt.com/news/238945-nemtsov-murder-motive-islam/

Prime suspect says Nemtsov killed over 'negative comments on Muslims'.

Zaur Dadaev, who had reportedly confessed involvement in Nemtsov’s murder, said he organized the crime in revenge for the opposition leader’s “negative comments on Muslims and Islam,” according to Rosbalt’s source in law enforcement.

<...>

In January 2015, the suspect allegedly “learnt that Boris Nemtsov more than once allowed himself negative comments on Muslims living in Russia, prophet Mohammed and Islam,” according to the news agency.

<...>

The president of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, earlier said he knew Zaur Dadaev “as a patriot of Russia,” who used to serve as deputy regiment commander in one of the Chechen Republic’s interior ministry units.

“Everyone who knows Zaur says that he is a profoundly religious man and that he, as all Muslims, was shocked by what Charlie did and by comments in support of the cartoons,” Kadyrov wrote on Instagram.



Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Souldream on March 09, 2015, 10:48:11 PM
Yes ..... but perhaps you can translate what Dadaev wrote in January ...  ;D

http://p0.storage.canalblog.com/05/82/1233879/102711341.jpg

If 65% wanted to post ... why killing ? Ho yes bettter to make silly propagande now to clear kremlin ...


Kadirov is just the puppet of poutine ... 2 murders .... Who get lately promotion by Poutine... lol

take a bet ... the day that Poutine will be kicked out ... how much time do youthink Kadirov will stay??


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: pozmu on March 09, 2015, 10:53:28 PM
I somehow knew they'll find suspects from one of the republics (even without the info about white car). It seems like a custom in that part of the world  :o


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 10, 2015, 05:09:45 PM
Yes ..... but perhaps you can translate what Dadaev wrote in January ...  ;D

http://p0.storage.canalblog.com/05/82/1233879/102711341.jpg

If 65% wanted to post ... why killing ? Ho yes bettter to make silly propagande now to clear kremlin ...

Kadirov is just the puppet of poutine ... 2 murders .... Who get lately promotion by Poutine... lol

take a bet ... the day that Poutine will be kicked out ... how much time do youthink Kadirov will stay??

I think it's your propaganda that is a fail. Here is a translation (with retained punctuation and orthography), and it can be read as a convoluted radical message:

Quote
IMPORTANT! [Something in Chechen?], brothers and sisters.After they attacked in France the offices of Charlie Hebdo.who printed caricatures on our prophet Muhammed(peace to him and Allah's praising),on the site of Echo of Moscow they made a poll site. ..If publications should print caricatures on prophet Muhammed in response to the shooting of the office of Charlie Hebdo and 65% voted that caricatures should be published on out Prophet Muhammed(peace to him and Allah's praising) Let Allah vilify them in this world and the next and only 31% against. There are very many of us Muslims, I ask you don't remain indifferent [something in Chechen?] follow this link spread

Souldream, did you even understand the gibberish about 65% that you referred to?



And some comic relief. Accusation, the Souldream troll-style:

Nemcov killed by Obama. Hoofprints of Obomber's murdering traces all over the place. Anyone who thinks it's not Obomber who killed Nemcov is stoopid. Everybody knows tyrant Obama is behind this with his lover-buddy Porosenko as the middle man.



I somehow knew they'll find suspects from one of the republics (even without the info about white car). It seems like a custom in that part of the world  :o

You have to keep in mind that Chechenia is a tribal state with blood revenge system being the norm. Kadyrov's father was killed by a rivalling clan that was financed and armed by CIA and MI6 through Berezovskij (who also had Yeltsin under the hood). Kadyrov managed to revenge for his father and to unite (in so much as it is possible) other clans around him. Putin needs Kadyrov to keep Chechenia in order, and if anything, I think Kadyrov is one of the few people that Putin is weary of.

As for evidence, if I remember correctly, the main leads came from the four bullet casings, left that scene after shooting.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 10, 2015, 06:32:14 PM
Souldream, did you even understand the gibberish about 65% that you referred to?
No, he doesn't understand anything due to lack of brain power.

[Something in Chechen?], brothers and sisters
Usually translated as "The peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be with you". It's a greeting which is used when you speak for a group of people.

[something in Chechen?]
This means "In the name of Allah".


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on March 11, 2015, 09:38:52 PM
Sorry for offtopic but I have to post this here :D

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/buffiere/70968500/55932/55932_600.jpg


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: galdur on March 11, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
Well, it looked like another contract killing so maybe that´s just what it was. The guy was mostly out of politics and into some business dealings, probably some of them on the shady side.


Title: Re: Putin Critic Shot Dead at Kremlin
Post by: Balthazar on April 07, 2015, 05:31:05 PM
Nemtsov's grave:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB4j8VKUMAAApZg.jpg:large

So-called Nemtsov's bridge:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB4j8YTUEAAMnKL.jpg:large

Feel the difference. That's a shame if you have no true followers, only a bunch of hypocrite faggots.