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newsflash 6/6/2015:

AAssetNXT issued (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg11577262#msg11577262) "AltSheets Asset on NXTcrypto"(web: SAE (https://trade.secureae.com/#13634799205909171438), nxtreporting (http://www.nxtreporting.com/?as=13634799205909171438)) (distributed: local API server tx (http://localhost:7876/nxt?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=13634799205909171438), asset (http://localhost:7876/nxt?requestType=getAsset&asset=13634799205909171438); local wallet asset exchange (http://localhost:7876/index.html#asset:13634799205909171438)) assetId:13634799205909171438.....	http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt/AAssetNXT_logo.png
AAssetHZ issued (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10908865#msg10908865) "AltSheets Asset on HoriZon" (buy at hzxchange (http://hzxchange.net/)) (b.e.: tx (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=transaction&id=8101260088962758269), asset (http://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=asset&id=8101260088962758269), wallet: tx (http://localhost:7776/nhz?requestType=getTransaction&transaction=8101260088962758269), asset (http://localhost:7776/nhz?requestType=getAsset&asset=8101260088962758269)) assetId:8101260088962758269.....	http://altsheets.ddns.net/aa/AAssetHZ_logo.png
I am dedicated to  my software (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804), and want to be able to sell it better, and improve it continuously. The intention of the asset is to generate some of the money already now, that will only later be earned as software licence profits when many paying users will have been found. This is not a HYIP crypto crazy Ponzi scheme. It is more like a classical share in a company, paying out regular dividends from the sales profits: Altcoin Portfolio Overview Sheets - profit sharing: [AAssetHZ/NXT]  = AltSheets ASSET on HZ/NXT	http://altsheets.ddns.net/img/AltSheets_logo2a_orange-red-green.png

The larger picture:

• I am selling 15% of ALL FUTURE PROFITS with my software "AltSheets Altfolio" (*).
• Of that:
• 5% has started March 28th, on HorizonPlatform.io --> Asset ID = 8101260088962758269
• 5% has started June 6th, on Nxt.org --> Asset ID = 13634799205909171438
• the payout happens in form of regular dividends
• to all investors who are owning my tradeable ASSET
• which is initially sold at a low price to also attract traders
  
  
• Other to-be-chosen platforms are considered once they are reliable(see below).

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(*) The first software is this ALTCOINS PORTFOLIO OVERVIEW platform:
Altfolio
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804 Get your free trial now.

This is coin?

It will be an asset, not a coin.

Choice of platform

criteria

* How liquid is the marketplace? How man users? How much volume?
* Which are the software solutions for automatic dividends payments?
* Are there already similar software profit assets on that platform? Which ones?

What else is important?


platforms

* hz
* counterparty XCP (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/counterparty/)
* dogeparty
* (startcoin?)
* nem
* nxt
* mastercoin MSC (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/mastercoin/) or MSC (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/msc)
* BitShares (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitshares-x/)
* NuBits (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nubits/)
* NAS (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/nas)
* NFD (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/nfd)
* XAI (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864895.msg10711591#msg10711591) ?
* OPAL (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10725812#msg10725812) - colorcore (https://github.com/opalcoin/colorcore)
* OpenAssets/open-assets-protocol (https://github.com/OpenAssets/open-assets-protocol/blob/master/specification.mediawiki)

which others?
which one is the best for my purposes?


thx.

I think we need subforum for assets.

Can we mine our assets off??

Hz and counterparty
with active dev and have innovations to grow

HZ is the best choise I think.

theres more action will be done

Thx!

Yes, I already thought HZ to be the most active platform right now - in terms of current development.
However, the total market volume (i.e. liquidity) of NXT assets is much much higher - right?


Idea: What if I split into two or three assets? i.e.:

5% as a HZ asset,
5% as a NXT asset,
5% in a new and emerging asset platform (e.g. XAI (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864895.msg10711591#msg10711591) ?)

That would balance risks & chances. But is that overkill perhaps?

What do you think?

Which other assets do you know
which have done something similar
to what I am planning to do?

I would like to study examples.

cryptoassetcharts.info (CAC) gives an overview about several asset platforms:

There I found other platforms, NAS (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/nas) & MSC (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/msc) & NFD (http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/markets/show/nfd), ... but ...

... ouch, I guess the case ("which asset platform?")  is already decided?
http://www.cryptoassetcharts.info/assets/info

... and only NXT seems to have considerable volume, is that true?


I did a tiny little bit of excel magic, and dissected that table into this comparison:

__cryptoassetcharts.info (http://cryptoassetcharts.info/assets/info)__	_all_______	_NXT_____	_NHZ____	_Counterparty_	_NAS____
Volume30d(BTC):	1243.2	1234.9	8.2	0.0	0.0
Count:	619	477	105	23	14
Count If non-zero Vol:	136	129	7	0	0

Is that a true picture (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126796.msg10708479#msg10708479) of what is going on with cryptoassets right now?


EDIT: See below (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10709843#msg10709843)

I have just found another data source about asset platforms ... coinmarketcap.com
Small total number of assets (only 51), but XCP (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/counterparty/) & MSC (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/mastercoin/) assets data, and new platforms (BitShares (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitshares-x/), NuBits (http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nubits/)).


Here's my analysis-by-platform:

coinmarketcap.com/assets (http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/views/all/#USD)	_all________	Mastercoin(Omni)	_BitShares_____	_Nxt_________	_Counterparty_	_NuBits______	_Horizon____
$-Volume24:__________	58228	27032	19270	6977	3876	1073	0
count:_______________	51	3	5	35	6	1	1
count if nonzero vol:___	39	2	5	25	6	1	0

With a $ conversion rate of $ 281.12 / BTC.


Remarks:
* The 4 of the 5 BitShares have quite some volume, but they don't look as if I can emit my own asset - true?
* The only 1 MSC asset really is MaidSafeCoin (Tether & Apicoin are only 31$ volume).
* Of the 6 counterparty assets, only Storjcoin X has considerable volume.
* NuShares has only NuBits mentioned.
* Horizon has only NHZSPHERE mentioned but with "?" volume.


So same result here ? !  

NXT seems to be the platform. Wrong? True?

NXT is really THE platform for assets!
NAS is dead
at msc/xcp i wasnt able to fetch the data right now. didnt had time for it thats why its zero

Thx xchris! Thanks for your answer.

And thanks a lot for your superb website (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126796), I am using it often. Very valuable addition to our world!

It's the most established, but HZ is the up-and-comer.

Thx. Interesting. Just looked over the ANN (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=778720): "Colored Coins. Assets on the blockchain."

Where can I find a list of Opal assets, trading volume, etc.?  

Thx!

How to launch an asset?

Which are the most important sites to register a new asset with?

Asset planning ...

ASSET DESCRIPTIONS

To design my own description, I am studying the existing assets (those that are successful).

First HZ, because it is the smaller system, easier to get an overview; and it is newer, so I hope to catch the newest ideas more easily.

The following are all DESCRIPTIONS of HZ assets for which at least 20 trades happened, sorted in decreasing number of trades (asset in first quotation had 444 trades already, last one 28 trades):











(no description but 50 trades!)




source is https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=assets
bold / italics is by me.

Asset planning ...

ASSET NUMERIC PROPERTIES

To design my own asset, I am studying the existing assets (only those that are successful).

First HZ, because it is the smaller system, easier to get an overview; and it is newer, so I hope to catch the newest ideas more easily.

	_Quantity______________________	_Decimals______	_Trades____	_fractionOfAllHZAssetTrades_____
count	105	105	105	105
count if > zero	105	36	72	72
sumtotal			1955	1.0000
mean	1,102,205,994,084,300	1.31	18.6
median	1,500,000	0	1
max	100,000,000,000,000,000	8	444	0.2271
min	100	0	0	0.0000
from here on only those assets which had at least 3 trades:
count	44	44	44	44
count if > zero	44	23	44	44
sumtotal			1922	0.9831
mean	2,573,445,270,205,060	2.18	43.7
median	17,500,000	1.0	9.5
max	100,000,000,000,000,000	8	444	0.2271
min	100	0	3	0.0015
weighted with importance of asset = number of trades of this asset:
weightedMean = (sum (value * fractionOfAllHZTrades) )	349,982,995,555,115	1.65	207

Data source is https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=assets Table done with Excel & csv2tbl (http://www.southshoreforums.com/csv2tbl.htm).
If you want me to do similiar things for you, you can pay me. PM me your wishes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=413122).


Next question: Start price per asset - how to find out?

bump

The announcement looks good, but the price is going to be trickier. How much revenue do you expect?

My most important question:

• You, yourself, what do you think? Would you buy some of this?
• If not, why?
• If yes, what got your attention?

preliminary HZ asset description

name:       _____
platform:   HZ
number:     5 million
decimals:   2

description:



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Do you like this?

What else (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10752592#msg10752592) is good to include into the (immutable!) description?
Native speakers, I am not: Please check this for strange language.

What is a good starting price?

can this be done as some kind of crowd-fund using HZ or Counterparty?  and what is the end-goal of $?

Thanks. But whatever comes to your mind, please mention now, the initial settings can later not be changed anymore.


I am trying to guestimate that, I am in that process - with a spreadsheet, of course :-) But that will still take a while.

How can I find out ALL initial prices of ALL the other assets on the HZ platform?

Yes, exactly, that is what I am trying with this asset.

By selling shares of my future profit now, I want to crowd-fund the current situation
that I have to get the message out before I will create considerable revenue.

The win-win situation is:
Those who have imagination, and trust in me ... can crowdfund this initial entering-the-market,
and -if all this goes well- they can expect to be part of a considerable income stream later.


yes, exactly.  Here is the list of existing platforms (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10697516#msg10697516), here is the idea to split between them (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10702473#msg10702473), and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10708354#msg10708354) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10709843#msg10709843) some analyses of assets on them.

It looks as if the overwhelming majority (in terms of number and volume) of blockchain assets
is using NXT, and that HZ has prospects of being the "next big thing". As their technology is ~identical,
for sheer curiosity, I would also like to look into another platform solution (perhaps later).


It is a "the more the better" situation.

Still, let me try to answer with the variables that enter this equation:

It depends on realistic expectations, how many paying customers

• I will have after 3 months (few?)
• I will have after 6 months (much more!)
• I will have after 12 months (many!!)
• will be with me when the expansion stagnates (?) after how many months (?)

Moreover

• which average price (per time unit) will maximize the profit?
  (expensive licenses = enough users? cheaper licenses = not much more users? )
  
  
• How much dividends to pay out, in the first 3 (few), 6 (much more!), 12 months (many!!)
  (!*!)
  
  
• How much the traders of the assets shall earn so that it is an attractive gambling opportunity
  (traders buy supercheap initially, and later sell all their shares at an X-fold price - what is X ?)

That last point speaks about those for whom the dividends are not the reason to buy my shares, they are not a crowdfunding crowd, but traders - they buy my shares because they expect them to go up in price X-fold, and then sell them off completely (to others who only later will discover me). Then after that unrealistic rally the price will plummet - and stabilize on a higher level than at initial price. I cannot really predict the numbers in the complexity of such markets, it's impossible to plan such short term trades. I guess for them the main thing has to be: My initial price must be very low, so that after not too much waiting the price will start climbing; and all that on a crypto-timescale. Traders are important, but investors are important, too - so:


I am very much interested in opinions about (!*!) the dividends expectations of possible long-term investors.
What is an attractive -yet realistic- expectation of dividends on the profits of an "young and emerging" software family?

maybe try to keep it simple since this is so new...

stick to HZ or other well-known coin, avoid using different coins.  it would complicate it for you and future buyers of your shares would want accountability-at-a-glance.  everything done blockchain, 1 coin allows that.  i would choose HZ because i personally own a half-mil and am interested (disclaimer).  i would need wallet addresses for income/expense to be posted and current because math is accountable.  idk what average dividends should be, i can ask my bro who has experience with non-inet start-ups.  i think starting price maybe lower, but only for year 1.  if you are successful raise the price after that, it would help yourself and your initial investors.  if less successful keep at the same rate.  your decision as majority share-holder.  just do not drop the rate, it would hurt confidence.  the beauty of open-source is on everybody's side.

mind808crime

edit:  my brother said that there is no set answer on dividends, but that the company (dev) announces at the start of each quarter.  he said that non-inet (his exp.) non-utility companies usually do not offer dividends the first year, but an inet company could very well be different because of possibility of explosive growth.  maybe a moderate dividend promise after 6 months?  or tie the promise to # of subscriptions?   just a thought......

Thanks a lot for your feedback!

Yes, definitely. I am often an early adopter, but I really don't want to get stranded on an asset platform that no one else but me is using.

I probably still will.

HZ has too little total volume (#11) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10708354#msg10708354) to be the best choice right now - but still I want to support that HZ platform. And it is cheap to launch an asset there.
NXT seems to definitely be where most of the action is (#13) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10713295#msg10713295).
And also see my second (#12) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10709843#msg10709843) assessment of the other platforms.


I mainly complicates it for me, because dividends have to be shared on both platforms. But fortunately NXT and HZ both go back to the same code, so I hope what I implement in one will work in both.


True - but then the only choice would simply be NXT ... not HZ.


Happy to hear that.
I really like HZ, and probably launch there first.

Sure. Perhaps the dividens software provides that, too?
I was thinking ... with all my crypto income now it probably makes sense ... to also always record the exact value in USD on the day of payment?
The rates asset-to-HZ and HZ-to-BTC and BTC-to-USD are fluctuating so much, so that it is probably a necessary step for me to always record the fiat value of incoming payments?



Me neither - but I am getting there. The main factors are mentioned in #25. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10777540#msg10777540) And I am parsing the asset markets (NXT = nxtforum topic 8580 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=8580.0); bitcointalk HZ thread = #1132 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10810322#msg10810322) and #1137 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10813922#msg10813922)and #1147 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10820385#msg10820385)) to understand better the choices of the other participants.

Thanks a lot for involving your brother.  Very valuable information! Has he also seen my product? Happy to get feedback:

Yes, that makes sense - sell in phases, with each time rising sell prices.

Yes. My original idea (#1) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10697450#msg10697450) had been 4 times a year. But then I studied the other successful assets (#18) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10752592#msg10752592), and some of them pay even weekly.
Probably very different from non-inet companies because the dividens-software makes it so easy to do it?

But with a weekly payment the sums are so little, how does that look? Feels more like "crypto mining" then.

I will do a quick overview about compound interest, below (#34) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10856040#msg10856040). Stay tuned :-)

Thanks, mind808crime, for your work, time, attention, ideas - very much appreciated!

 ;)

DEV UPDATE

Just an update on some of the activities outside this thread:

• nxtforum topic 8580 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=8580.0): I am parsing the asset markets, writing my own software for that!
• bitcointalk HZ thread posting
  #1133 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10810475#msg10810475): which could perhaps also be sold.
• #1084 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10787757#msg10787757): and with it, I even already found a bug!
• #1147 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg10820385#msg10820385): and could identify odd situations
• I will parse all assets in HZ (and NXT) markets,
  to prepare my own asset launch in the best possible way
• you can like my facebook fanpage (https://www.facebook.com/altsheets)
  - two of my postings: in CCC (https://www.facebook.com/groups/459085124197658/permalink/638507396255429/) and in the MultiCoinTipping (https://www.facebook.com/groups/MultiCoinTipping/permalink/911146135615740/) group - please you leave comments there.
  - beautiful user review (https://www.facebook.com/groups/459085124197658/permalink/640953129344189/) of my software!
  - lots of fb PMs (https://www.facebook.com/messages/100008826040038) (and emails which I prefer), of new users trying out my software. GET YOUR FREE TRIAL NOW (PM ME (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=413122) here in BCT)
• The newly started twitter account (https://twitter.com/altsheets) already gets quite some followers, favoriting, and even retweets.
• Suggestions for you retweeting my message are in the AltFolio software thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804.msg10783261#msg10783261).

assetparser.py
Make sure you have all the available information  before  you invest into an asset.

I have created an assetparser.py  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.0)to analyze the existing asset markets on HZ and NXT.
It is intended to help me to analyze the situation better when creating my own asset (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128).


The first results are out there, in form of a teaser table. May this information be useful for your trading!

https://i.imgur.com/bMnM1wj.png
retweet please: https://twitter.com/altsheets/status/579393281290829824 Thx ;-)

please explain how to buy this asset on Hz assets exchange,..
what your account id

Thanks for your interest!

You can not - yet.

I will contact you as soon as I launch this.

Right now, I am in the preparation phase,
I am still studying all the other assets,
to find the best possible, educated decisions
for my own assets.

Preliminary ...
... description: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10775284#msg10775284
... goals: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10777540#msg10777540
... dividends: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10824423#msg10824423

Soon I will launch!

Until then: Why not try the software itself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804).

Soon I will launch!

Until then: Why not try the software itself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804).

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That's what sold me, the free trial.  It took me about 1 day to realize how much time it had freed up.  Now that I have it, I'm not interested in giving it up.  Just waiting for the launch!

Thanks a lot, mind808crime !

Yes, AltFolio is risk-free to try. Get yourself a gmail (needed for GoogleSheets), and send me a PM - and within minutes, you will see:

AltFolio  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804)
* gives a good overview of your portfolio,
* saves time (not having to check many sites), and
* decreases your response time ("oops, that XYZcoin market starts moving, let's buy/sell").

About the asset launch: Sorry for the waiting time - I am a perfectionist ;-)

Asset Dividends - how often, how much?


https://i.imgur.com/bdnh9lu.png

Play with compound interest in my interactive funproject GoogleSheet "YachtCalculator":

--> http://2020.fm/yachtcalculator ... Menu ... File ... Make a copy ... (you have to be logged into your gmail/googleaccount)

Enjoy :-)

How to buy this asset 8101260088962758269

> ... your asset and how to get it ... ?

You can prepare already.

The asset is traded in the distributed asset exchange "Next Horizon".

(1)
Download your Horizon wallet (https://horizonplatform.io/get-started/) and start syncing the blockchain
(the first blockchain download can take many hours),
or log into an online wallet (https://account.horizonplatform.io/) (2nd best solution).

(2)
Your passphrase is your private key, so treat it more careful than money. Do not show anyone.
Write those 12 words on a piece of paper, and hide it well. Never send them by unencrypted email, etc.

From that passphrase an account id will be generated, that looks like this: NHZ-Q675-SGBG-LQ43-D38L6
plus a public key, which looks like this: e8702f3a45e52d544fc57442cbd5b5da0468dc3fed91c48d361417cdda513213

(3)
Use the FAUCET https://faucet.horizonplatform.io to get initial funding onto that account.

These ^ steps (1)(2)(3) are summarized in the short and very
good video: 2 minutes (https://horizonplatform.io/how-to-setup-a-new-horizon-account/) "how to setup a new horizon account".


Now it is a good idea to log out (red button, top right), and log back in,
to make sure that you really end up with the same "NHZ-..." address.
If not, then you have probably had a typo in your passphrase?
Do not continue, until you have sorted this. Be sure that you
reliably log back into the same account. Then you move on: ...


(4)
Create one OUTGOING transaction,
e.g. by buying an alias (see this 39 seconds video) for your account id (https://horizonplatform.io/how-to-setup-an-alias/)
Congrats - you have just spent 1 HZ.  That was the purpose of this game. Your account is on the blockchain!
Now the message " blablabla  ... public key ... blabla " has disappeared from your dashboard.



(5)
Now buy HZ coins at bittrex (https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_hz) or poloniex (https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_hz).


(6)
Then you send them to your wallet, using your new NHZ-... address.
(withdraw from https://bittrex.com/Balance or https://poloniex.com/balances)

(6a) First send a small amount, see how and that it works. Might need email confirmation!
(If you run into unsolvable problems there, send them a support request ticket.)

(6b) Only when (6a) went fine, and you see the HZ coins in your wallet ...
... then send a larger amount from poloniex/bittrex.


(7)
NOW you are ready to begin buying my asset:

Inside the HZ wallet, go to "ASSET EXCHANGE",
you can then buy AAssetHZ for your HZ coins.
--> assetId: 8101260088962758269

(More details about that perhaps in a later posting (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg10910118#msg10910118))

EDIT: heavily edited  ;D

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EDIT2: I created a whole new thread from this: how to buy assets on horizon - the complete process, explained for newbies (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006327)

Have you got an Asset number for it?

Nope, not launched yet.

Preparing.

Thx.


EDIT: Yes, --> assetId: 8101260088962758269 "AAssetHZ"

Please help me edit this ...
new ________HZ asset description:

---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  

5,000,000 ________ asset shares are issued on HorizonPlatform, representing 5% of all future profits of AltSheets software (like AltFolio - the auto-updating altcoin portfolio solution). Objectives of this asset are the development and improvement of existing and new AltSheets software, to finance marketing and increase sales, and to reward investors by sharing 5% of all profits from the software sales, paid as regular dividends to ________ holders. Check asset ID and issuer ID before trading, there may be copycat assets! Buyers please convey your email address for updates. More infos at http://________ and #________ and @________.

---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  

name:       ________
platform:   HZ
number:     5,000,000 (5 million asset shares)
decimals:   0 (whole shares are traded)

starting price: 4 HZ / asset

---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  ---  

Please make suggestions - this is the last moment in which I can still make any changes.
Native speakers, I am not: Please check this for strange language.

I can't really think of anything more that this needs, looks ready for takeoff!  My bro doesn't understand blockchain, he's old-school, but i will get some 'for' him :D  i've got my calculator and popcorn ready...

Cool. Thanks! I feel the same. Only some few technicalities, then I am READY FOR LIFTOFF :-)



What about already making a second account for him (from his own passphrase).
That way you can slowly introduce him to his funds, by e.g. showing him his own balance in the block explorer, etc.



and you've got the best seat to watch this unfold ...

:-)

any more directions?  my coin are at bittrex.  address, maybe?

Yes, I am in the process of documenting it, with screenshots.


Here's a simple text version: When starting from scratch ... how to buy 1 "AAssetHZ" ...



.
..
...
....
EDIT: I created a whole new thread from this: how to buy assets on horizon - the complete process, explained for newbies (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006327)

I have my HZ coins in my wallet ... what's next?

https://i.imgur.com/W08jOgL.png

--> assetId: 8101260088962758269

https://i.imgur.com/0Jue0k6.png]https://i.imgur.com/0Jue0k6.png

Hi,

Congratulations!  :)

I just bought some shares of your asset without questioning because you seem to have nice ideas for valuable software.

But now, I have to ask some questions:

will there be any reporting of your profits, so that we can see how the 5 % are calculated?

At the current price, the value of your 5 million assets is roughly 3000 US $. If that's 5 %, then you estimate the total value of your business (AltSheets and AssetParser together or only AltSheets?) to about 60000 $.

So before investment returns to shareholders, you (we) need this income from your software. For the asset to gain in price, the expectancy should be even higher. Do you think you will develop the software and add new ideas (and defend it against the market) so that this income will be realistic? What time might be necessary for this? I don't want to destroy hopes or anything, but as far as I understand it, this should be the calculation...

Btw, how much does your software cost, actually?

Bought 100'000. I like the idea. :)

Me, too.  But i had to get a little bit more than that, i've been using the software and i know it's worth.

.

Thanks to you two. Much appreciated! I wish you a super Sunday :-)

Thanks Hubus. It was really exciting, but also several days with much too little sleep. There are so many considerations, and decisions to take, and some of them are immutable, so I had to predict a lot, and did a huge amount of research.

This whole thread here reflects some of those thoughts. Please also go back, in case you have not read all yet. Because some of your questions are partly answered in there.

Nice, thanks for the compliment.

Of course, there will be. When looking at my past here, you can see how much of a perfectionist I can be. Transparency is a must, and cryptocurrencies make that quite easy actually, because so much is on the public ledger anyways.

Nope. The initial price was a special for the very-early-birds. It rises, with each batch that I sell.
Moreover, only 4 of the 5 million assets will be sold by me, 20% is kept aside for not-directly-for-money action. (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=transaction&id=5493968695924401814) (what is a good term for that, I am not a native speaker?).

It is incredibly difficult to predict the future, especially because it hasn't happened yet  ;)

Still, I really do not want to offer something that is not likely to happen - so I probably underestimated the success, just to be sure. Honesty is a big thing for me.

I took three routes to find out what to expect from this asset sale:
* estimates of what can be earned with the software licenses in one year from now.
* looking at a yearly dividends rate, expectations of investors, how much sales would I have to generate to pay such dividends.
* study ALL of the existing assets on HZ, and then go for the median marketcap. (***)

Interestingly enough, all three approaches ended in about the same region,
which made me a bit calmer. I think I found "the" price. And then started well
below it, to reward those who risk most by trusting a newly issued asset.


Sure, I will document it all, and make it available to the shareholders. That's where the "Buyers please convey an email address for updates." comes from in the asset info.


It might, during the year. Depends all on the real success.

If you have ideas where and how to advertise the software,
please share here; perhaps you know a crypto marketing genius?
Happy about input. But I also need to do my research.
I want to spend my investors' money well,
the new-customers-per-dollar-rate should be high!

I am also thinking about how to implement a reseller system, for AltFolio.

Also the asset is giving the software more visibility already, that's a good synergy.
And have you seen that my assetparser.py got featured in "Nxt News Weekly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg10911589#msg10911589)" ?


I am full of ideas.

Look at the (***) above, for example. Before launching my own asset, I just wanted to know better about the existing situation in the Horizon Asset exchange, and started parsing ... but with each question solved, there were new possibilities. The learning was so much fun (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=8580). And suddenly I had a whole software ready, which can now give us actually really useful answers to compare the different assets on the marketplace.  --> assetparser.py (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804).

Of course, I will continue to improve my AltFolio software (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804.0) (which started all this), I already have a list of ideas what else to implement. And customers are also giving new ideas.


Together. I call the software family "AltSheets" (ALTcoin spreadSHEETS).


Income examples:

* AltFolio is the ALTcoin PortFOLIO solution
** licenses
** referral income (future idea, not implemented yet)

* assetparser.py analyzes the Nxt & HZ asset markets
** bug bounty, with my early parser I found a small bug, and got ~25$ for that :-)
** not yet clear how exactly to monetize this:
*** my semi-scientific study of the assets on the HZ market (will publish that in a few days)
*** the 107x27 cells large complete analysis table ... can be bought from me
*** the assetparser.py code

* yachtcalculator funproject - donations?



Good question.


For sure. And no worries. Critical thinking is essential.
You are asking the right questions. I like that.

The price is not final yet.

If it is too low, I earn too little per customer - and thus the dividends are low.
If it is too high, I loose some possible customers, with essentially the same outcome.

It's not easy to decide. What is the optimum price?

You have tried AltFolio, and actually have given me your fabulous review, and your many questions - I hope I soon have the time to answer them.

Until then: Please recommend AltFolio to others, and (a) your shares will become more valuable, and (b) I will give you serial code validity extension for your own license when you find new users.


Thanks for your questions. I hope you are happy with my answers - to those that I decided to write about today.

 ;)

Hi,


I have read it all...


That's clear, but I wanted a current, cautious (pessimistic) estimate of your business.


I'm not a native speaker either, but I would call it "speculation for yourself"  ;D .


But it's also incredibly important to estimate the "real" value of a serious business, if we don't want to loose money. (I know there are many "businesses" here which are pure fantasy, and that fantasy might be even important, but I think real success and trust, sustainability and persistence come only if there is some hard and real backbone.


...and that's good!


That's good, too  ;) ! It's because I believe that we will be more succesful with that in the long term (quality is the best advertisement) and I also think this whole cryptocurrency-altcoin-community needs more of it to become a success, step out of the shadows and become more mainstream (which would be very good for our investments here, too  ;D ) . Unfortunately, there is much crap mixed with real good ideas there. Some things are very clumsy...

(For example take the downloading of the blockchain before you can use the currency. I don't believe you can ever get a 'norma'l (mainstream) person to wait that long. And there is an easy solution to this ( = downloading the 'almost current' blockchain from the server when you download the wallet... but so far, I've only seen this solution with Burstcoin, I think.))


...So, please keep mine for that purpose, or do I have to send it to you again seperately?


And the real success depends (at least partly  ;) ) on the quality of your offer (assumed you are honest, which should be still not be taken for granted in the altcoin community).


If I get the oppurtunity, I will try. But unfortunately that's not one of my strengths at the moment.


I would be interested in general but I am not sure if this is my strength, as I do not have many contacts for this at the moment (see above). I was once a little bit active in "information technology things", but not at the moment. Maybe that can change, but I don't know yet.


That's good, same for me, I'm new here and learn a lot by just stepping into this world further... ...very exciting and interesting  :)


OK! Lots of expansion possibilities then...  ;)


Yes, really difficult...  :P


Thanks, I also want to look deeper into it, but didn't have the time so far...


Thanks to you - I hope it will also help others and therefore develop your product further...!

More coins do that, google bootstrap.dat (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!g+bootstrap.dat). It could always be integrated into an installer, I agree, especially with older coins (larger blockchain).

Here is my script for a quickstart when I boot my "high security" liveCD (+ usbStick) system for Horizon:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=8711.msg171125#msg171125
As you can see, I have a zipped blockchain copy on a USB stick.

already bought this assets for begining  ;)
one question,..how many total assets ?

!

___________________________		___________________________
	asset id: 8101260088962758269 name: AAssetHZ quantity: 5,000,000 (5 million) decimals: 0 (whole shares are traded) launched: 2015 March 28th issued by: NHZ-XDWX-VLTM-FUFZ-CTT54 (alias 'AAssetHZissuer') Description: AAssetHZ is the first AltSheets Asset on Horizon. 5,000,000 AAssetHZ shares are issued, representing 5% of all future profits of AltSheets software (like AltFolio - the auto-updating altcoin portfolio solution; and assetparser.py - which compares all assets in many observables, and works on two platforms). Objectives of AAssetHZ are: To develop and improve software, to finance marketing to increase sales - and to reward investors by sharing 1% of all profits from the #AltSheets software sales per each 1,000,000 AAssetHZ; paid as regular dividends to AAssetHZ holders. Check asset ID and issuer ID (NHZ-XDWX-VLTM-FUFZ-CTT54) before trading, there may be copycat assets! Buyers please convey an email address for updates. More infos at http://AAssetHZ.ddns.net and twitter @AAssetHZ
___________________________		___________________________

Sources for such information:

• inside the HZ wallet
  --> "ASSET EXCHANGE"
  --> --> assetId: 8101260088962758269
  --> --> -->"ASSET INFO" (local wallet (http://localhost:7776/index.html#asset:8101260088962758269) / online wallet (https://account.horizonplatform.io/index.html#asset:8101260088962758269))
  
  
• API: requestType=getAsset (local wallet (http://localhost:7776/nhz?requestType=getAsset&asset=8101260088962758269) / online wallet (http://account.horizonplatform.io/nhz?requestType=getAsset&asset=8101260088962758269)) better layouted if you get a REST client, e.g. rfc (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=restforchrome+!g).
  
  
• block explorer (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=asset&id=8101260088962758269) (soon?)
  
  
  

Thanks a lot!

This is a very exciting beginning!

If you plan to stick with it for a while, please convey your email address, for updates.



5 million.
--------------
1 million of which is not-for-sale (https://explorer.horizonplatform.io/?page=transaction&id=5493968695924401814).
4 million of which are for sale since March 28th.

1,198,501 assets are already sold.

is there any plan to put thiss assets to be traded on exchange ?

Someone mentioned to me a while ago that
this is easier to implement for an exchange
which has already done that with other assets.

So which exchanges do you know which have started trading (Nxt-, HZ-) assets directly?

Thx.

poloniex,...
i ever saw coinomat traded on there
 in nxtcoin too,.. if i not wrong

@altsheets dev
 
i suggest you to submit your assets in coinmarket
http://coinmarketcap.com/assets/

Yes, makes sense.

What are their conditions to accept an asset?

I have already posted into their thread today: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg10929916#msg10929916

just fill the form
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1IZf5cBivam_93zENT_arFFuvWDidHGjWxoTMVmFSoWg/viewform

Done. Thanks. Nice.

And ... dash (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=199685.msg10935637#msg10935637) :-)

Paid marketing can begin

Thank you very much to everyone who bought #AAssetHZ
- you are already helping to move #AltFolio (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804) forward.

Proudly presents: Marketing Success #1 - banner advertising on http://www.cryptocoincharts.info

https://i.imgur.com/6YIF1Vo.png (http://www.cryptocoincharts.info)

Yiehah.

So cool.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

All three new banners here: 

AltFolio

http://altsheets.ddns.net/img/AltFolio_logo_250x250.png (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804.msg10945856#msg10945856)

good job dev,.
and already bought your assets again.
hope the price grow in future
keep good work  :D :D

Thanks. It was a very interesting day.

And the system for advertising, nxtad, is such a well done platform, it's really cool using it.

Thanks a lot.

296'350 are left at this price of 5 HZ.
We are on rank 2 of all HZ assets on cryptoassetcharts.info !


It is still very cheap, compared to many many other assets; that should allow it to go up in price, yes.
If you later make so much money with it that you feel guilty *g* - you can always consider to share some of your profits with me ;-)


Thanks. Will do!

for the next you may use paid banner advertising on coinmarketcap dot com
a lot of people using this site too

yes, and myself too, often.

The 'advertise' link on coinmarketcap.com redirects to this corporation: http://cointelegraph.com/advertising

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBjPbGbW4AA3c73.png:large

https://twitter.com/AAssetHZ/status/583444217017532416 (https://twitter.com/AAssetHZ/status/583444217017532416)

Well, we are looking forward to see your huge software sales...!

BTW, did you see that Horizon launched their trusted assets list:

https://horizonplatform.io/how-to-become-a-trusted-asset/

ya,..then i think you have to submit your applications  :D

Advertising #AAssetHZ (https://twitter.com/AAssetHZ) - new banners

Leaderboard banner 728x90
http://altsheets.ddns.net/aa/AAssetHZ_LeaderboardBanner01.png
http://altsheets.ddns.net/aa/AAssetHZ_LeaderboardBanner01.png


Skyscraper banner 120x600
http://altsheets.ddns.net/aa/AAssetHZ_SkyscraperBanner01.png
http://altsheets.ddns.net/aa/AAssetHZ_SkyscraperBanner01.png


How do you like them?  Please give feedback. Thx.

looking good,..clear and informative  :)

Thanks. Nice to read positive feedback. Much appreciated!

There are (https://www.facebook.com/groups/459085124197658/permalink/650521508387351/) also other opinions.

Which made me think ... to me it is not the most urgent thing to do ... but perhaps a design competition (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804.msg10985905#msg10985905) might be beneficial?

Hello 13 shareholders!

I actually know you now - at least a little bit:



read more about this update in my assetparser.py thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg11130399#msg11130399)



https://i.imgur.com/8EvrXMi.png (https://twitter.com/altsheets/status/589605938639855619)

a few updates about dividends:

Only since yesterday I know you shareholders at all!

Due to the still 'neolithic' :-) API of HZ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg11126613#msg11126613), first I had to build this workaround myself (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg11130399#msg11130399). So if the second hope fails, I will always be able to do dividends payments manually - no worries.


But there is also the hope for soon progress in the technology,
it was mentioned that the HZ code is being upgraded to a newer Nxt version.


Only then, REAL dividends payments will be possible:

http://localhost:7876/nxt?requestType=getConstants
That is Nxt 1.4.16.

The current HZ3.9 doesn't know yet that subtype 6 "Dividend payment".
So whatever dividends we issuers are paying now manually in HZ, can not be counted as dividends later.
I don't like that. I already asked the question if I can simply use the subtype 6 already somehow, but the answer was: "No, and your node gets blacklisted"  ;)


I will keep you updated.


EDIT (Sept2015):
* added their answer
* will happen soon, with HZ5.0

If you are a shareholder of my
AAssetHZ 8101260088962758269,
you received an encrypted message from me !

Please check your wallet for an "Arbitrary Message"
coming from my address.

Read the text by clicking on the transaction ID.

https://i.imgur.com/H7zCads.png (http://account.horizonplatform.io)

I created the tool myself!
Explanations are in the assetparser.py/shareholders.py thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg11236283#msg11236283).

...

--> http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders/

New, intermediate Design of the
Homepage: Photo Backgrounds

http://altsheets.ddns.net/img/20150512-HomepageScreenshot-AAssetHZ.jpg (http://altsheets.ddns.net)

I have now put some of my own photographs into the backgrounds of most pages ...

... check them out: http://altsheets.ddns.net (http://altsheets.ddns.net)


And the other happy news is:

• this is only intermediate, temporary
• because a gifted designer is starting to work on the pages.

 ;D

AltFolio just got better ... new version v51.

I implemented many suggestions - thanks to you, dear users!

https://i.imgur.com/mBmdmVN.png (http://altsheets.ddns.net/altfolio/v51.html)

Larger pic at: http://altsheets.ddns.net/altfolio/v51.html Free trial at: http://altfolio.ddns.net/

News!

All shareholders of my
AAssetHZ 8101260088962758269
received an encrypted message!

Check your wallet for an "Arbitrary Message"
coming from NHZ-....-....-....-HHYZ4.

Read the text by clicking on the transaction ID.
May Newsletter with gift!

https://i.imgur.com/H7zCads.png (http://account.horizonplatform.io)

I created the tool myself!
Explanations are in the assetparser.py/shareholders.py thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg11236283#msg11236283).

https://soundcloud.com/supernetradio/altsheets brought to you by (SNRN) Supernetradio.com

AAssetNXT issued!

https://i.imgur.com/CIIniY6.png (https://twitter.com/AAssetNXT/status/608027512275378176)

(preliminary) webpage: http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt/ with how to buy, etc.


Please retweet this: https://twitter.com/AAssetNXT/status/608027512275378176

___________________________		___________________________
	asset id: 13634799205909171438 name: AAssetNXT quantity: 5,000,000 (5 million) decimals: 0 (whole shares are traded) launched: 2015 June 6th issued by: NXT-LJBY-6JQ6-WQV6-HA2AY (alias 'AAssetNXTissuer') Description: AAssetNXT is the 'AltSheets Asset on Nxt'. 5,000,000 AAssetNXT shares are issued, representing 5% of all future profits of AltSheets software (like AltFolio, and assetparser.py - see their bitcointalk threads). Objectives of AAssetNXT are: To develop, improve, and popularize AltSheets software - and to reward investors by sharing 1% of all AltSheets profits per each 1,000,000 AAssetNXT; paid as regular dividends to AAssetNXT holders. Check asset ID and issuer ID (NXT-LJBY-6JQ6-WQV6-HA2AY alias 'AAssetNXTissuer') before trading, there may be copycat assets! More infos at http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt or twitter @AAssetNXT
___________________________		___________________________

some more info on the (preliminary) webpage: http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt


BUY -->

decentralized, in your local Nxt wallet http://localhost:7876 ( install from http://nxt.org )
--> Asset Exchange
--> --> add asset (button at top right)
--> --> --> 13634799205909171438
--> --> --> --> aassetnxt
--> --> --> --> --> Buy !
.
shortcut link: http://localhost:7876/index.html#asset:13634799205909171438
.

or in the

webwallet "SAE" = secureae.com 13634799205909171438 (https://trade.secureae.com/#13634799205909171438)

AAssetNXT shareholders:
You got mail!
And actually, a better version of it - encrypted!
 
https://i.imgur.com/5z1yH2u.png (https://i.imgur.com/5z1yH2u.png)

(click pic for larger)

Please retweet: @AAssetNXT
https://twitter.com/AAssetNXT/status/619597929813291008

AAssetHZ shareholders:
You got mail!
And actually, a better version of it - encrypted!

https://i.imgur.com/qaxmay5.png (https://i.imgur.com/qaxmay5.png)

(click pic for larger)

Please retweet: @AAssetHZ
https://twitter.com/AAssetHZ/status/619592923101941760

Thanks.

Got the "mail." :)

Great. Happy.

You want to participate in the "cross-fertilization" of  AssetNXT and AAssetHZ?

Then read that message again. Free assets for you!

Right now, I have to get the market-making bot debugged once again (sigh). Plus, I have some other Assets to unveil...

...but I'll keep you in mind. ( How could I not? :) )

looks good

Thx. And thx for your interest. Questions?


Abundance of hyperactive dev'ing in the past crazy weeks, some:

nxthacks2015 participation
jnxt.org/nxthacks
If perhaps not the prize - I have definitely won the voting poll, it concluded yesterday.
But the poll is not binding for the jury, so it is still exciting what will happen.

assetgraphs.py
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=978804.msg12055996#msg12055996
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg12056046#msg12056046
whole new subforum! https://nxtforum.org/assetgraphs-py/

chaincountdown.py
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1147294
first time I published a larger piece of my Python epics:
https://github.com/altsheets/chaincountdown


... and something big about AltFolio (http://altfolio.ddns.net) is about to be released ... *psssst*  :-)


Buy my assets
13634799205909171438 HZ
8101260088962758269 NXT
or simply donate http://altsheets.ddns.net/give

:-)

The "cross fertilization" rewards are sent!

(If you had given me your address, then) open your NXT wallet, and

• check the transactions on 9/2/2015
  - there you can also read my message to you
   
• Asset Exchange ... My assets ... 13634799205909171438

Explanations:

See newsletter03.html#cross-fertilization (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders/innercircle/newsletter03.html#cross-fertilization)
in our shareholders 'inner circle' (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders/) area.

Created via my beautiful shareholders.py (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders.py/) tool.

:-)

this really looks like an excellent opportunity to make some dividends. I'll be watching this thread a later decide if I'm going in with this one ;)

Thanks!

I am still waiting for the HZ team to publish a new version
of HZ which allows to use the (already) built-in dividends function.

When I inquired about it I was told "in 4-6 weeks" - and that was mid-April *g*
No need to hurry, good things need time - but I am sorry to my shareholders,
to still not have paid direct dividends.

But as far as I understand their announcements, they are in testing of
HZ5.0, and then there will be a hard fork, and afterwards, we will finally have
http://localhost:7776/test?requestTag=AE#api-call-dividendPayment
like in NXT
http://localhost:7876/test?requestTag=AE#api-call-dividendPayment


And moreover,
whenever I published a new newsletter to my shareholders (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders/),
I have always tried to come up with some nice present,
like the above (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg12338233#msg12338233).



Happy you found me. Ask any question, either as PM or publicly.

AAssetHZ vs AAssetNXT


As this PM might be of general interest, I am answering it here.

The design of both AAssetHZ (http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassethz/) and AAssetNXT (http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt/) is ... ~ identical.


(The newer) AAssetNXT issuance description:

(The older) AAssetHZ issuance description:

(In the newer issuance description ... I left out the wish for an email address, because I changed my mind about it. With my shareholders.py (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders.py/) I have created the perfect tool for communicating with shareholders.)


Easiest to understand is perhaps this way:

      Each 1 mio assets guarantees you 1 percent of AltSheets profits forever.

      (I can decide pay higher dividends (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg11134098#msg11134098) sometimes - but 1%/1mio is guaranteed.)


Plus you get exclusive access to the "inner circle" (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders) with my newsletters - and sometimes little presents.


Market comparison

AAssetHZ had started much earlier.
It has a larger base of shareholders (35), more trades (118), and transfers (23);
it is known by more people; has passed the HZ team evaluation, and become
a "trusted asset (https://horizonplatform.io/aassethz/)". And there are quite some buy orders.

AAssetNXT became necessary when I entered the NXT sphere of influence,
coding in the nxthacks2015. Many NXT users are not touching other currencies.
Current number of shareholders is 15, there were 9 trades, and 9 transfers.
No bid orders yet - because so far buyers have simply paid my emission price.

As I developed assetgraphs (http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetgraphs) on nxt, AAssetNXT will soon get really nice pictures.



Base currency

In the buy price, though ... those two assets are differing strongly now. Because:

HZ/BTC has taken an unfortunate dump recently - which is hurting me much, because
my early investors' contributions are worth next to nothing currently. Still, I also need
some money for surviving, so I must sell - for a bad price. There is a definite probability
that the HZ price will recover once their distribution is over. But no one knows the future ;-)

NXT/BTC has also been trending downwards, but with much smaller volatility.
Larger market = more stable price.

Last 6 months comparison:
   HZ   has moved between    35 and   194 Satoshi (554%)
   NXT has moved between 2750 and 6200 Satoshi (225%)


AAsset prices

I started to sell AAssetHZ at 3HZ, to reward the risky early investment, when I was
still unknown. Then each batch has been increasing by 1HZ. In the current batch
there are 171'731 AAssetHZ still available at 7 HZ (the next price will be 8HZ).
7 HZ = 400 Satoshi (at 57 Satoshi/HZ).


As this rising price scheme had seemingly encouraged some people to already take
their profits; they started competing with me by underbidding my emission price ...
... for AAssetNXT, I am trying out a constant price - at least for a first large batch.
0.2 NXT = 700 Satoshi (at 3500 Satoshi/NXT).



You

I hope that is answering it a little bit.
Happy to hear opinions and advice, here or by PM (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=413122).


Play this simple game:
Close your eyes, imagine me and what I am doing, and ... just feel how much BTC you can contribute now, to participate in the crowdfunding of my current work.
Then open your eyes, and compare the 2 situations, and evaluate which one will probably give you the better deal, short term, and long term. Invest wisely :-)


Sunny greetings
 :)

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EDIT: Found this announcement just now:

My sense is that evaluations of an identical asset on the two platforms should ultimately converge and so the value of diversification boils-down to platform capability and availability. With the Horizon 5.0 elevated capabilities imminent diversification leans more to Platform AND Dev availability so in that regard holding on both platforms is a prudent form of risk-reduction.

All 37 #AAssetHZ (https://twitter.com/aassethz) shareholders have got PMs:

https://i.imgur.com/x3ikEUT.png (https://i.imgur.com/x3ikEUT.png)

... with my fabulous tool, shareholders.py (recent BCT post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg13153053#msg13153053), homepage (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders.py/)),

I have sent 37 individualized messages to all #AAssetHZ (https://twitter.com/aassethz) shareholders.
containing personal credentials to access the 'innercircle' area on my site (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders).

Please check your wallet now.

If you can, buy (more) AAssetHZ (8101260088962758269) (http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassethz/).

Thanks.

 :)

Edit: Tweet (https://twitter.com/AAssetHZ/status/673783223697190913).

New thread "AAssetNXT" @ nxtforum

Nxt Forum > Nxt Discussion > Asset Exchange > [ANN] AAssetNXT

nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10463 (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10463)

 :)

EDIT: retweet (https://twitter.com/AAssetNXT/status/673804584998019072)

All 18 #AAssetNXT (https://twitter.com/aassetnxt) shareholders got PMs

https://i.imgur.com/3zoRzNR.png (https://i.imgur.com/3zoRzNR.png)

... with my fabulous tool, shareholders.py (recent BCT post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998804.msg13153053#msg13153053), homepage (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders.py/)),

I have sent 18 individualized messages to all #AAssetNXT (https://twitter.com/aassetnxt) shareholders.
containing personal credentials to access the 'innercircle' area on my site (http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders).

Check your NXT wallet ... messages.

If you can, please buy (more) AAssetNXT (id 13634799205909171438) (http://altsheets.ddns.net/aassetnxt/).

Thanks.

 :)

Edit: Tweet (https://twitter.com/AAssetNXT/status/673819024611000320).
Edit2: Crosspost (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10463.msg203074#msg203074).

PM received and retweeted. :)

Thx for the latest inner circle newsletter altsheets. It's been great fun receiving the newsletters in the innercircle. Posting publicly (http://altsheets.ddns.net/log/) now is great  :)

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EDIT: Crossposting to HZ thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg14338136#msg14338136) is causing many beautiful reactions. I am moved. Thanks!
EDIT2: One essential step successful: price conversion (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414613.msg14342816#msg14342816) for 2015

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EDIT: Crossposted to HZ BCT thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg14356625#msg14356625), and created a new topic thread in HZforum (https://horizonplatform.io/topic/aassethz/).

Bought more. Thanks! :)

Thanks a bunch.

Noticed it yesterday, via testdruif's great tool arguseyes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.msg14806998#msg14806998).



Right now, I am earning money, via freelancing for the great new project


My salaries there will be counted into the calculations for AAsset dividends.

Congratulations! Lando's a good guy. :)

AAssetHZ vs AAssetNXT
price comparison - and open question


https://i.imgur.com/xOwjgLp.png
click to enlarge (https://i.imgur.com/xOwjgLp.png)



The USD-valued price of my 2 assets AAssetHZ and AAssetNXT has moved up (+),
and recently much diverged (*); it happened due to many factors, some of them:

• (+) The strong 2016 price increase of USD/BTC.
• (*) Higher volatility/price range of HZ (9 vs 145 Satoshi in 1 y = 1600%)
  than of NXT (900 vs 5989 Satoshi in 1 y = 670%).
• (*) The recent dump of NXT after the ARDR snapshot period.
• (+)(*) The recent HZ pump price bubble.
• (+)(*) Each batch of AAssetHZ I have sold for a slightly higher price.
• (+)(*) A climbing AAssetHZ price due to increased asset sales,
  after my dividends payments (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg14356451#msg14356451).

Now I am wondering whether, and how to adapt.

Currently my next asset sales batches are priced at 0.2 NXT, and at 14, 15, 16, and 17 HZ.
Maybe those HZ prices are too high; the market had already pulled back by itself,
from the peaked 14 HZ, as you see in emerger's fabulous charts (http://nhz.coin.emergate.net/?a=getAsset&d=8101260088962758269).

If you want to know more, a year ago, I wrote a detailed comparison (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=981128.msg12373069#msg12373069) of the 2 assets.
And if you are new to this whole thing, here is my manual "how to buy assets" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006327.msg10920645#msg10920645).


Situation:

AAssetNXT are ~3 times cheaper right now.

If you invest 1 USD now, you get 3.36 times higher USD-valued dividends
in AAssetNXT than in AAssetHZ - because 1 mio assets equal 1% of my profits.

When I am going to pay dividends to shareholders of AAssetHZ and AAssetNXT soon
(I am waiting until both markets, HZ and NXT, have calmed down and stabilized),
I guess there can be sudden activity in the (previously rather calm) AAssetNXT market
- as those are going to be the 1st dividends that I am paying there. And the 2nd in AAssetHZ.

Related side issue (which would equalize the situation): While BTC/NXT is probably going to recover, i.e. go up a bit,
my guess is that BTC/HZ will go further down after this pump, and much. But to which long term price level? Any ideas?


Question:

Shall I
(a) lower the price of my next batches of AAssetHZ, and/or
(b) increase the price of AAssetNXT, or
(c) leave them as they are, or
(d) do something completely different?

Very interested to read you opinion.

Thanks for your time, and attention!

 ;)


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EDIT: crosspost in nxtforum (https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=10463.msg225845#msg225845)
EDIT: please re-tweet (https://twitter.com/altsheets/status/790230801673846787), thx.