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Title: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 09, 2015, 05:54:48 PM
Theymos, in no way am I doubting you or your ability to manage the forums funds. This is just a little "Thinking out loud".

https://blockchain.info/address/1M4yNbSCwSMFLF9BaLqzoo2to1WHtZrPke

Last two transactions, 350 BTC each, moved. That is a total of $194,000. Hmm, any guesses on where that went?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2015, 05:56:00 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 09, 2015, 05:56:37 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Equinoxx on March 09, 2015, 05:57:30 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Quickseller on March 09, 2015, 05:59:01 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o
the total price is actually around a million dollars although generally speaking these kinds of projects tend to run over budget.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 09, 2015, 06:00:41 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.

Yes, mine are too. When is it supposed to be released?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 09, 2015, 06:01:15 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o
the total price is actually around a million dollars although generally speaking these kinds of projects tend to run over budget.

$1,000,000? Where did you see that? Oh, that is why they call it the 1 Million Dollar Forum. But seriously, a Million Dollars? That sounds high.

And, Yes, they do tend to run over budget.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 09, 2015, 06:09:18 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o
the total price is actually around a million dollars although generally speaking these kinds of projects tend to run over budget.

$1,000,000? Where did you see that? Oh, that is why they call it the 1 Million Dollar Forum. But seriously, a Million Dollars? That sounds high.

And, Yes, they do tend to run over budget.


Yes the budget was 1mln of dollars (in bitcoin?) but no one know if all the budget was spent or not. Most probably not.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: theymos on March 09, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: kuusj98 on March 09, 2015, 08:53:10 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
Jesus Christ that is 50% over budget!
I seriously hope this dorum is going to be slick or it is a 1.5 Million not well spend.

Sorry if this has been anwsered like 100X already, but who and how many people are beta testing? I guess thats a must but I can be mistaking. For 1.5 they better deliver hahaha, I bet they will though..


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: btcdrak on March 09, 2015, 08:55:53 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.

Wow. Just wow.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Lauda on March 09, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
The forum must meet your and almost everyone's expectation then. That's quite a large sum of money.
Do you know exactly how many developers are working on the forum?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 09, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
The forum must meet your and almost everyone's expectation then. That's quite a large sum of money.
Do you know exactly how many developers are working on the forum?

I have seen the github contributors page, this: https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk/graphs/contributors  and it seems there are 6 contributors , but maybe there are few other work at the new forum software but have never been registered/used github.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: kuusj98 on March 09, 2015, 10:21:27 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
The forum must meet your and almost everyone's expectation then. That's quite a large sum of money.
Do you know exactly how many developers are working on the forum?
And if they can be trusted 110%?
They could easily build in backdoors of which we would only found out about if things already were to go south.

I mean, I won't question your judgement but are you really sure they can be trusted?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Vod on March 09, 2015, 10:34:58 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee.

Hopefully they are than a start up with just a couple of employees...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: AT101ET on March 09, 2015, 10:43:59 PM
Holy crap... Over $1million for a website. I can't wait for this :)
This forum is going to be insane. How come the company charge that much?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: MAsterV on March 09, 2015, 10:53:40 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.

OMG OMG 100K MONTHLY FEE

TOTAL COST OF 1.5 MILLION...

is it like some next generation stuff...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BCwinning on March 09, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o
the total price is actually around a million dollars although generally speaking these kinds of projects tend to run over budget.
man are they reinventing the wheel? This forum (SMF) is free to use, why the hell would anyone spend that much money on new forum code? Why not donate it to smf and work with the devs there to make it better?
Obviously it has held up quite well for the last 5 years too; which seems like a pretty good testament to the code.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 09, 2015, 11:03:28 PM
man are they reinventing the wheel? This forum (SMF) is free to use, why the hell would anyone spend that much money on new forum code? Why not donate it to smf and work with the devs there to make it better?
Obviously it has held up quite well for the last 5 years too; which seems like a pretty good testament to the code.

Yes, we are creating a completely new forum software to compete with SMF. SMF has a lot of issues, it just isn't suitable for our needs. As far as how much money it costs, I hope that it will be well worth it, but frankly, creating new forum software is pretty much the only thing that the donated coins are to be used for. What else do we need? Might as well go all out.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Wardrick on March 09, 2015, 11:05:08 PM
I did a little bit of research on Slickage and I wasn't able to find much of anything. Does anyone have any details on this company or how they managed to land such a large job without having and PR or advertising (at least from what I could find)? I see they're based out of Hawaii and they have a twitter page and a github account. The twitter page only has about 75 followers. They also have a website but all it does is link to their Twitter and Github accounts. I'm curious how they were able to get this job.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 09, 2015, 11:07:14 PM
I did a little bit of research on Slickage and I wasn't able to find much of anything. Does anyone have any details on this company or how they managed to land such a large job without having and PR or advertising (at least from what I could find)? I see they're based out of Hawaii and they have a twitter page and a github account. The twitter page only has about 75 followers. They also have a website but all it does is link to their Twitter and Github accounts. I'm curious how they were able to get this job.

They were recommended by Warren, the developer of Litecoin iirc.

And if they can be trusted 110%?
They could easily build in backdoors of which we would only found out about if things already were to go south.

I mean, I won't question your judgement but are you really sure they can be trusted?

And its all open source.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: MAsterV on March 09, 2015, 11:10:01 PM
is it this??

https://github.com/epochtalk/epochtalk


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: bitkilo on March 09, 2015, 11:27:21 PM
Can't wait for the new forum if $1.5 million is the price it costs to build.

Just curious, how much did this current forum cost to set up and keep running?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 09, 2015, 11:33:57 PM
1.5 million is absolute madness. I bet huge corporations don't even pay that much for their website. Also the slickage twitter had only 75 followers as someone else said. I hope I can trust you guys on this one but a forum for 1.5 million when there are free alternatives is quite large...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 09, 2015, 11:45:10 PM
1.5 million is absolute madness. I bet huge corporations don't even pay that much for their website. Also the slickage twitter had only 75 followers as someone else said. I hope I can trust you guys on this one but a forum for 1.5 million when there are free alternatives is quite large...

But the problem is that the free alternatives are bad. Bitcointalk has nearly a half a million users, it needs something much more robust. The development hours that Theymos spends creating new features for the forum at the moment is an uphill battle, as he not only has to create the features, but also contend with issues in the current SMF based forum software. I agree $1.5m is a lot of money, but this could potentially become a staple in forum software everywhere. Being able to say that Bitcoin created the world's best forum software would be really cool. The only reason the forum was really holding any money at all, was to create a new forum. If Theymos had only spent $50, the rest of it would just be sitting there. Why not make the best forum software possible, since the entire budget is already allocated just for that purpose. And that doesn't mean spending money frivilously, that means creating the best forum with all of the functionality that will really help everyone out.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 10, 2015, 12:05:10 AM
Yes of course but maybe this money could go towards philantrophy or something worthwile to the community. I agree that maybe the money would just be sitting there, but 1.5 million for a forum software is absolute madness. All free or cheap forum software is 100% tested and is definitely enough to handle load. SMF is free (just checked there site and its a free download) and look how well it is holding up now. So hire some designer for at most a couple thousand dollars, and hire someone to do some features and there you have it a good forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: RedhatCAT on March 10, 2015, 12:11:02 AM
Yes of course but maybe this money could go towards philantrophy or something worthwile to the community. I agree that maybe the money would just be sitting there, but 1.5 million for a forum software is absolute madness. All free or cheap forum software is 100% tested and is definitely enough to handle load. SMF is free (just checked there site and its a free download) and look how well it is holding up now. So hire some designer for at most a couple thousand dollars, and hire someone to do some features and there you have it a good forum.
The donations were specifically for a new forum/new forum software. This was something that theymos explicitly said he was going to use the donated money for. After the $1.5 million is spent and the new forum is complete then the forum will still have a lot of money left over that is specifically earmarked for new forum software, due in part to the fact that the price of bitcoin has appreciated so much since most of the bitcoin was donated.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 10, 2015, 12:14:31 AM
Yes of course but maybe this money could go towards philantrophy or something worthwile to the community. I agree that maybe the money would just be sitting there, but 1.5 million for a forum software is absolute madness. All free or cheap forum software is 100% tested and is definitely enough to handle load. SMF is free (just checked there site and its a free download) and look how well it is holding up now. So hire some designer for at most a couple thousand dollars, and hire someone to do some features and there you have it a good forum.
The donations were specifically for a new forum/new forum software. This was something that theymos explicitly said he was going to use the donated money for. After the $1.5 million is spent and the new forum is complete then the forum will still have a lot of money left over that is specifically earmarked for new forum software, due in part to the fact that the price of bitcoin has appreciated so much since most of the bitcoin was donated.
True, I was never really interested in sending over 3 thousand dollars to a forum (10 btc), so I never read the donation page. If he did say that he would use the funds for the forum software then yea I think its a good idea then. Still, hard to get over the fact that a new forum costs 1.5 million dollars.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: EcuaMobi on March 10, 2015, 12:21:01 AM
1.5 million is absolute madness. I bet huge corporations don't even pay that much for their website. Also the slickage twitter had only 75 followers as someone else said. I hope I can trust you guys on this one but a forum for 1.5 million when there are free alternatives is quite large...

But the problem is that the free alternatives are bad. Bitcointalk has nearly a half a million users, it needs something much more robust. The development hours that Theymos spends creating new features for the forum at the moment is an uphill battle, as he not only has to create the features, but also contend with issues in the current SMF based forum software. I agree $1.5m is a lot of money, but this could potentially become a staple in forum software everywhere. Being able to say that Bitcoin created the world's best forum software would be really cool. The only reason the forum was really holding any money at all, was to create a new forum. If Theymos had only spent $50, the rest of it would just be sitting there. Why not make the best forum software possible, since the entire budget is already allocated just for that purpose. And that doesn't mean spending money frivilously, that means creating the best forum with all of the functionality that will really help everyone out.


Saying Bitcoin created the world's best forum software would indeed be really cool!

Will that software be used only on bitcointalk.org? Or will it be available for other forums either as open-source or paid licences?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 10, 2015, 12:25:33 AM
1.5 million is absolute madness. I bet huge corporations don't even pay that much for their website. Also the slickage twitter had only 75 followers as someone else said. I hope I can trust you guys on this one but a forum for 1.5 million when there are free alternatives is quite large...

But the problem is that the free alternatives are bad. Bitcointalk has nearly a half a million users, it needs something much more robust. The development hours that Theymos spends creating new features for the forum at the moment is an uphill battle, as he not only has to create the features, but also contend with issues in the current SMF based forum software. I agree $1.5m is a lot of money, but this could potentially become a staple in forum software everywhere. Being able to say that Bitcoin created the world's best forum software would be really cool. The only reason the forum was really holding any money at all, was to create a new forum. If Theymos had only spent $50, the rest of it would just be sitting there. Why not make the best forum software possible, since the entire budget is already allocated just for that purpose. And that doesn't mean spending money frivilously, that means creating the best forum with all of the functionality that will really help everyone out.


Saying Bitcoin created the world's best forum software would indeed be really cool!

Will that software be used only on bitcointalk.org? Or will it be available for other forums either as open-source or paid licences?

We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BCwinning on March 10, 2015, 12:27:31 AM
man are they reinventing the wheel? This forum (SMF) is free to use, why the hell would anyone spend that much money on new forum code? Why not donate it to smf and work with the devs there to make it better?
Obviously it has held up quite well for the last 5 years too; which seems like a pretty good testament to the code.

Yes, we are creating a completely new forum software to compete with SMF. SMF has a lot of issues, it just isn't suitable for our needs. As far as how much money it costs, I hope that it will be well worth it, but frankly, creating new forum software is pretty much the only thing that the donated coins are to be used for. What else do we need? Might as well go all out.
1.5 mill would go a long way in fixing those issues. let alone a rewrite I'm sure but it isn't my money just saying.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: RedhatCAT on March 10, 2015, 12:29:10 AM
Yes of course but maybe this money could go towards philantrophy or something worthwile to the community. I agree that maybe the money would just be sitting there, but 1.5 million for a forum software is absolute madness. All free or cheap forum software is 100% tested and is definitely enough to handle load. SMF is free (just checked there site and its a free download) and look how well it is holding up now. So hire some designer for at most a couple thousand dollars, and hire someone to do some features and there you have it a good forum.
The donations were specifically for a new forum/new forum software. This was something that theymos explicitly said he was going to use the donated money for. After the $1.5 million is spent and the new forum is complete then the forum will still have a lot of money left over that is specifically earmarked for new forum software, due in part to the fact that the price of bitcoin has appreciated so much since most of the bitcoin was donated.
True, I was never really interested in sending over 3 thousand dollars to a forum (10 btc), so I never read the donation page. If he did say that he would use the funds for the forum software then yea I think its a good idea then. Still, hard to get over the fact that a new forum costs 1.5 million dollars.
If you are not aware of the facts then you probably are not qualified to be making comments about the question at hand.
Haha...suckers donated to people who sold the forum withing a couple weeks...

The forum wasn't sold (or given away). Past and future donated funds will be used to pay people to develop the forum software.

A million dollars (or even two million dollars) is really not a lot of money to be spending to build a piece of software that is used for a half million people, many of which conduct a lot of business on


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: EcuaMobi on March 10, 2015, 12:33:30 AM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 10, 2015, 12:34:47 AM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Yes, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the forum could end up making the 1.5 Million back by licensing out the software!


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 10, 2015, 12:39:18 AM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Yes, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the forum could end up making the 1.5 Million back by licensing out the software!
Doubt anyone would buy ANY piece of code for 1.5 million dollars, but custom code jobs are a different story. Well, if the code broke sha256 I bet it would not be sold for as little as 1.5 million lol
Calling it like BTC Forum Software would add lots of exposure I'm sure, if its really good, but it won't really have that much volume if it is sold as a good price.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 10, 2015, 12:40:27 AM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Yes, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the forum could end up making the 1.5 Million back by licensing out the software!
Doubt anyone would buy ANY piece of code for 1.5 million dollars, but custom code jobs are a different story. Well, if the code broke sha256 I bet it would not be sold for as little as 1.5 million lol
Calling it like BTC Forum Software would add lots of exposure I'm sure, if its really good, but it won't really have that much volume if it is sold as a good price.

Not for 1.5 Million. But, if you get 10 sales at 150K, you are at the same difference. And calling it the Bitcoin Forum would give bitcoin lots of exposure.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 10, 2015, 12:44:59 AM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Yes, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the forum could end up making the 1.5 Million back by licensing out the software!
Doubt anyone would buy ANY piece of code for 1.5 million dollars, but custom code jobs are a different story. Well, if the code broke sha256 I bet it would not be sold for as little as 1.5 million lol
Calling it like BTC Forum Software would add lots of exposure I'm sure, if its really good, but it won't really have that much volume if it is sold as a good price.

Not for 1.5 Million. But, if you get 10 sales at 150K, you are at the same difference. And calling it the Bitcoin Forum would give bitcoin lots of exposure.
Seriously doubt they would sell it for even 150k. The forum would probably be highly specialized, and there are many great free forums that serve the general purpose of just having talks with eachother, with some categories, PMing, and some signature stuff. Nothing special needed could easily be found for free.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 10, 2015, 12:56:07 AM
The new forum creation isn't to profit Bitcointalk, we aren't a business, we don't really have much need for money. All funds collected thus far have been for the new forum software. Hosting is now covered by Private Internet Acess, so I can't say that there are many expenses. Thats one of the reasons why new donator tiers were never created, because we didn't need the money, so why collect more? I believe that the forum might be closed source for a period of time after release just to make sure we aren't giving hackers a roadmap to how to cause issues, but then opened up once vetted and 100% secure, however that was something I had heard a long time ago, so that may not be necessary or true. I'm pretty sure it will be free/open source, since that is sort of what we are all about, but I dont think it has been discussed anywhere near this far so at this point its speculation.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: theymos on March 10, 2015, 01:07:58 AM
Jesus Christ that is 50% over budget!
I seriously hope this dorum is going to be slick or it is a 1.5 Million not well spend.

When I first contacted Slickage, I stated my budget as $1.5 million. They estimated that only $1 million would be necessary. But the requirements changed in various ways, and (as always) various unexpected issues cropped up.

The forum must meet your and almost everyone's expectation then. That's quite a large sum of money.
Do you know exactly how many developers are working on the forum?

I expect that (especially after all this time) most people will be disappointed when the switchover happens because there won't be any major feature improvements over the current forum. My huge list of requirements will be met, but there's nothing groundbreaking in there. Building something (a little more than) feature-equal to SMF (which has been in development for over 10 years) isn't easy. But the new forum software is much more extensible and secure, so any future enhancements should be much easier to do.

There are 4 full-time programmers working on it, plus some additional outside contractors. You might be surprised by the cost if you've never looked into this sort of thing before, but it's actually pretty standard for a group of this size.

And if they can be trusted 110%?
They could easily build in backdoors of which we would only found out about if things already were to go south.

The code is public.

1.5 million is absolute madness. I bet huge corporations don't even pay that much for their website. Also the slickage twitter had only 75 followers as someone else said. I hope I can trust you guys on this one but a forum for 1.5 million when there are free alternatives is quite large...

Huge corporations pay way more for this sort of thing. This isn't just any website. It's a very large and complicated computer program.

Will that software be used only on bitcointalk.org? Or will it be available for other forums either as open-source or paid licences?

It'll be free and open source. MIT license. (Much of the code is already public on github.)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: freedomno1 on March 10, 2015, 01:26:00 AM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.

One way or another it will be a moment to remember, I'm looking forward to the beta release.


When I first contacted Slickage, I stated my budget as $1.5 million. They estimated that only $1 million would be necessary. But the requirements changed in various ways, and (as always) various unexpected issues cropped up.


What sort of issues cropped up, just an example or two would be cool.


I expect that (especially after all this time) most people will be disappointed when the switchover happens because there won't be any major feature improvements over the current forum. My huge list of requirements will be met, but there's nothing groundbreaking in there. Building something (a little more than) feature-equal to SMF (which has been in development for over 10 years) isn't easy. But the new forum software is much more extensible and secure, so any future enhancements should be much easier to do.

There are 4 full-time programmers working on it, plus some additional outside contractors. You might be surprised by the cost if you've never looked into this sort of thing before, but it's actually pretty standard for a group of this size.


What changed in the original master sheet as new proposals were made and were added to the master list.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bHlm4NQkSzaBTT5tLIqQBmV92wSsbdOX5r-dRR9Dgg0/
(Can't tell myself since I can't see the last modified date in the google doc)


__
One additional inquiry

Will there be a transition period, or will the migration all occur simultaneously with the shutdown of the old forum and switch over and redirection the new forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Wardrick on March 10, 2015, 01:32:34 AM
I personally enjoy the forum lay out right now, but it would be nice to have a change in scenery. If you look at sites like eBay it would be nice to have some of those features. I'm not surprised that it's going to cost $1.5M for the forum software. In this day and age your online portfolio is as important as the business you conduct off the internet. Target now gets 1/3 of their profits each year from their website. Imagine what that number was like 10 years ago.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Equinoxx on March 10, 2015, 05:17:56 AM
What do you mean like eBay? Like an online store? I'm confused, sorry.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Berau on March 10, 2015, 05:41:08 AM
Theymos, in no way am I doubting you or your ability to manage the forums funds. This is just a little "Thinking out loud".

https://blockchain.info/address/1M4yNbSCwSMFLF9BaLqzoo2to1WHtZrPke

Last two transactions, 350 BTC each, moved. That is a total of $194,000. Hmm, any guesses on where that went?

If theymos is a scammer then we wouldn't have had any hope at all in bitcoin itself.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Rampion on March 10, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: micky123 on March 10, 2015, 09:48:10 AM
Holy Smokes!! A mil and half dollars for a forum software!!

Since i didn't donate, i don't have a say in the matter, but i feel that this is a bit extravagant. Sure, we want the forum to look good and add a million other features, but spending a mil and a half is a bit over the top imo. Someone said that we need the new forum because we have half a million members, all fine and dandy, but how many alt accounts do we have? The average bct user owns 2-3 accounts and spammers / scammers own even more accounts. Wouldn't it be better to purge accounts that have not been logged into for the past 2 years (with the exception of Satoshi ofc,  ;D)? Also, the concept of multiple accounts should be done away with, why would people need alt accounts? Just to make some additional money off signature campaigns or to sell it? We can do without these alt accounts. Just my 2 satoshi, i don't mean to offend anyone.

In other news today, WB Vod :)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BCwinning on March 10, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
I wonder if SMF got any donations for their software here.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: redsn0w on March 10, 2015, 09:55:34 AM
I wonder if SMF got any donations for their software here.

Do you mean bitcoin donation ? I do not think they are accepting bitcoin , check their "donation page" here :

- http://www.simplemachines.org/contribute/donate.php


This is the discussion here in the forum :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827784.0   

and here in the smf :

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=403726.0


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BCwinning on March 10, 2015, 09:59:04 AM
I wonder if SMF got any donations for their software here.

Do you mean bitcoin donation ? I do not think they are accepting bitcoin , check their "donation page" here :

- http://www.simplemachines.org/contribute/donate.php


This is the discussion here in the forum :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827784.0   

and here in the smf :

http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=403726.0
No how much has theymos donated to the SMF community?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Monetizer on March 10, 2015, 10:00:59 AM
How far away do we think the new forum software will be? It sounds pretty interesting and I am sure it will be great for the forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: TotalShift on March 10, 2015, 10:04:13 AM
Since theymos legally own and control the forum and the domain. All the revenue generated and donations in the forum is own privately by theymos. In theory and laws theymos has every right to spend the forum funds where he wishes to.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 10, 2015, 10:07:37 AM
How far away do we think the new forum software will be?

Slickage told they are at end. So I think it will be released soon(1-3 months). :)

It sounds pretty interesting and I am sure it will be great for the forum.

Hopefully, it will except for first few hours or days.

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 10, 2015, 10:11:11 AM
Since theymos legally own and control the forum and the domain. All the revenue generated and donations in the forum is own privately by theymos. Theymos has every right to spend the forum funds where he wishes to.

Privately? I don't think so! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155000.0

P.S. @theymos: Could you update the list please? Thank you!

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: TotalShift on March 10, 2015, 10:24:21 AM
Since theymos legally own and control the forum and the domain. All the revenue generated and donations in the forum is own privately by theymos. Theymos has every right to spend the forum funds where he wishes to.

Privately? I don't think so! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155000.0

P.S. @theymos: Could you update the list please? Thank you!

   -MZ

Holding and owning are two different things. The tresurers are basically holding the funds for theymos, they have no right to spend the funds while theymos because he owns the bitcoins can get the funds from the treasurers  anytime of his choosing.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 10, 2015, 10:30:21 AM
Holding and owning are two different things. The tresurers are basically holding the funds for theymos, they have no right to spend the funds while theymos because he owns the bitcoins can get the funds from the treasurers  anytime of his choosing.

Could you please read my post again? Thank you! :)

You said "privately". How is that private if it is public? He can get or he may get or he might get? It is not 100% sure than the persons who hold it will send to theymos when he asks?

P.S. Another thing, how is theymos owning them? It isn't his money even though he is admin and managing this forum.

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 10, 2015, 11:12:42 AM
Theymos, in no way am I doubting you or your ability to manage the forums funds. This is just a little "Thinking out loud".

https://blockchain.info/address/1M4yNbSCwSMFLF9BaLqzoo2to1WHtZrPke

Last two transactions, 350 BTC each, moved. That is a total of $194,000. Hmm, any guesses on where that went?

If theymos is a scammer then we wouldn't have had any hope at all in bitcoin itself.

Lol if Theymos was a scammer, the world would be doomed. I was just wondering what on earth you can do with 194K. Did he go buy a house? Now I know it is because of the new forum but yea...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Trillium on March 10, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
I worked for a small company and it took a long time to convince my superiors (inc. owner) how much web development costs. They eventually apologized after when they went around me only to find exactly the same figures. $1.5m+ is totally reasonable for a large development like I assume this new site would be.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: azguard on March 10, 2015, 12:07:44 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.

mine ass well but fir web site to bee paid for 200K that is too much.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 10, 2015, 12:10:20 PM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.

mine ass well but fir web site to bee paid for 200K that is too much.


This new forum will cost 1.5 Million, not just 200K. This will be one nice forum. 


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Lauda on March 10, 2015, 12:10:52 PM
Since theymos legally own and control the forum and the domain. All the revenue generated and donations in the forum is own privately by theymos. Theymos has every right to spend the forum funds where he wishes to.

Privately? I don't think so! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155000.0

P.S. @theymos: Could you update the list please? Thank you!

   -MZ
Wrong. He is not obliged to spend the money on the forum. He can spend it however he wants, he can even shut down the forum.
The fact that he spent (is spending) so much money on the forum, shows what kind of person he really is.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BadBear on March 10, 2015, 12:16:55 PM
SMF sucks pretty bad for a forum of this size, and is not at all good enough. They make too many assumptions and don't give enough choices for certain things. Theymos fixed some things, this would be broken in any upgrade and would need to be done again.


No way to see all threads created by a user.

Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

No way to add notes to a user that would be visible to mods, only admins.

Only admins can ban people (somewhat fixed by theymos).

No ban queue, we literally have a thread in the staff forum called banning where mods post to report bans.  

No way for non-admin mods to see current ban status (I can actually see big red warning text in a user's profile when they are banned, which is
handy and saves a lot of time, there's even a button to click on to take you to the ban where you can see reason and duration, I am amazed they got that right).

No way to ban multiple people at the same time, and bans are so slow it's painful, I almost want to stab myself. I have stuff to do and limited time here, just do it already sdaasdjasdjkliuodas. (partially fixed by theymos, but those are only for permanent bans).

Speaking of which, when you go to ban someone, better hope he hasn't been banned before, it will give you an error. Then you get to click on ban list, and go through page by page looking for the previous ban so you can see the reason and duration. Search? What's that? Get bent. Then modify the ban group (typically the username, I add a number) so it will go through and do it again. Then wait (see above).

No way to see previous bans of a user without poring over the banlist, which has no search.

No way to see deleted posts without using the forum search, or poring over the post history.

Want to see who locked or moved a thread? Sure just go check the modlog. There's even a search bar!!! But wait, it only searches by the moderator who took the action. No way to search the other fields, such as thread, user involved, date, etc. I honestly feel like I'm being trolled when I see that. Have fun looking through page after page (20 results per page, and there's a lot of pages).

Honestly I could go on and on and on...and on and on.

https://i.imgur.com/SH6KBaW.gif







Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: micky123 on March 10, 2015, 12:25:01 PM
SMF sucks pretty bad for a forum of this size, and is not at all good enough. They make too many assumptions and don't give enough choices for certain things. Theymos fixed some things, this would be broken in any upgrade and would need to be done again.


No way to see all threads created by a user.

Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

No way to add notes to a user that would be visible to mods, only admins.

Only admins can ban people (somewhat fixed by theymos).

No ban queue, we literally have a thread in the staff forum called banning where mods post to report bans.  

No way for non-admin mods to see current ban status (I can actually see big red warning text in a user's profile when they are banned, which is
handy and saves a lot of time, there's even a button to click on to take you to the ban where you can see reason and duration, I am amazed they got that right).

No way to ban multiple people at the same time, and bans are so slow it's painful, I almost want to stab myself. I have stuff to do and limited time here, just do it already sdaasdjasdjkliuodas. (partially fixed by theymos, but those are only for permanent bans).

Speaking of which, when you go to ban someone, better hope he hasn't been banned before, it will give you an error. Then you get to click on ban list, and go through page by page looking for the previous ban so you can see the reason and duration. Search? What's that? Get bent. Then modify the ban group (typically the username, I add a number) so it will go through and do it again. Then wait (see above).

No way to see previous bans of a user without poring over the banlist, which has no search.

No way to see deleted posts without using the forum search, or poring over the post history.

Want to see who locked or moved a thread? Sure just go check the modlog. There's even a search bar!!! But wait, it only searches by the moderator who took the action. No way to search the other fields, such as thread, user involved, date, etc. I honestly feel like I'm being trolled when I see that. Have fun looking through page after page (20 results per page, and there's a lot of pages).

Honestly I could go on and on and on...and on and on.

https://i.imgur.com/SH6KBaW.gif







Wow, now that was a frustration fuelled post! I am now on-board. I really think we need the new software before bad bear blows up completely. He does not look to be a happy bear but more like his name suggests  ;D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 10, 2015, 12:27:29 PM
SMF sucks pretty bad for a forum of this size, and is not at all good enough. They make too many assumptions and don't give enough choices for certain things. Theymos fixed some things, this would be broken in any upgrade and would need to be done again.


No way to see all threads created by a user.

Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

No way to add notes to a user that would be visible to mods, only admins.

Only admins can ban people (somewhat fixed by theymos).

No ban queue, we literally have a thread in the staff forum called banning where mods post to report bans.  

No way for non-admin mods to see current ban status (I can actually see big red warning text in a user's profile when they are banned, which is
handy and saves a lot of time, there's even a button to click on to take you to the ban where you can see reason and duration, I am amazed they got that right).

No way to ban multiple people at the same time, and bans are so slow it's painful, I almost want to stab myself. I have stuff to do and limited time here, just do it already sdaasdjasdjkliuodas. (partially fixed by theymos, but those are only for permanent bans).

Speaking of which, when you go to ban someone, better hope he hasn't been banned before, it will give you an error. Then you get to click on ban list, and go through page by page looking for the previous ban so you can see the reason and duration. Search? What's that? Get bent. Then modify the ban group (typically the username, I add a number) so it will go through and do it again. Then wait (see above).

No way to see previous bans of a user without poring over the banlist, which has no search.

No way to see deleted posts without using the forum search, or poring over the post history.

Want to see who locked or moved a thread? Sure just go check the modlog. There's even a search bar!!! But wait, it only searches by the moderator who took the action. No way to search the other fields, such as thread, user involved, date, etc. I honestly feel like I'm being trolled when I see that. Have fun looking through page after page (20 results per page, and there's a lot of pages).

Honestly I could go on and on and on...and on and on.

https://i.imgur.com/SH6KBaW.gif







Wow, SMF does have quite a few problems!


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 10, 2015, 12:31:32 PM
Wrong. He is not obliged to spend the money on the forum. He can spend it however he wants, he can even shut down the forum.
The fact that he spent (is spending) so much money on the forum, shows what kind of person he really is.

Is that to me or him? :)

Quoting the discussion after that:

Holding and owning are two different things. The tresurers are basically holding the funds for theymos, they have no right to spend the funds while theymos because he owns the bitcoins can get the funds from the treasurers  anytime of his choosing.

Could you please read my post again? Thank you! :)

You said "privately". How is that private if it is public? He can get or he may get or he might get? It is not 100% sure than the persons who hold it will send to theymos when he asks?

P.S. Another thing, how is theymos owning them? It isn't his money even though he is admin and managing this forum.

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 10, 2015, 01:05:52 PM
Holy crap... Over $1million for a website. I can't wait for this :)
This forum is going to be insane. How come the company charge that much?

It would be interesting if they update us with an alpha version, so we can test it and give a report here in the forum; or they can post here some screenshot of how it will be (I didn't find any screenshot).


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on March 10, 2015, 01:24:09 PM
How far away do we think the new forum software will be?

Slickage told they are at end. So I think it will be released soon(1-3 months). :)

He also said that for the last 4-6 months though.... Knowing the new forum software is going to "get rekt" my guide formatting I keep putting off gen 3.0 styling, but at some point I have to assume its 'never' coming.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 10, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
Holy crap... Over $1million for a website. I can't wait for this :)
This forum is going to be insane. How come the company charge that much?

It would be interesting if they update us with an alpha version, so we can test it and give a report here in the forum; or they can post here some screenshot of how it will be (I didn't find any screenshot).

It is old and changes may have happened in the time being:

Icon preview (they are vectors):

https://i.imgur.com/zSbDlZ3.png

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Blazed on March 10, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
man are they reinventing the wheel? This forum (SMF) is free to use, why the hell would anyone spend that much money on new forum code? Why not donate it to smf and work with the devs there to make it better?
Obviously it has held up quite well for the last 5 years too; which seems like a pretty good testament to the code.

Yes, we are creating a completely new forum software to compete with SMF. SMF has a lot of issues, it just isn't suitable for our needs. As far as how much money it costs, I hope that it will be well worth it, but frankly, creating new forum software is pretty much the only thing that the donated coins are to be used for. What else do we need? Might as well go all out.

I agree 100%. The forum has a ton of coins and really does not need them.. go big or go home!


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: johnyj on March 10, 2015, 03:19:48 PM
I never expected that the inflation in software development is so heavy, maybe one day I will work as a programmer again  ;D ;D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on March 10, 2015, 03:34:10 PM
We should keep it to ourselves lol. If we are spending 1.5 million I doubt we would want to give it for free or cheap to other people. Also it would make a bunch of clones and we want our forum to be OURS, and no copies anywhere else. I doubt we would be the best forum software in the world though...

If it really is that good it can be sold, not given for free.
Also it could be called "Bitcoin Forums" or something like that and give bitcoin more exposure.

There are several options here, I don't think keeping it for ourselves would be the best one.


Yes, I agree. Wouldn't it be great if the forum could end up making the 1.5 Million back by licensing out the software!

Problem! Funds were donated, hence non-profit.

EDIT: Saw that the above was addressed. Read the entire thread. I have faith, and all looks mmmkay, otherwise I would comment.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 10, 2015, 05:24:09 PM
Muhammed Zakir, thanks for the images. Can I ask you if there are present others images? I would like to know & see more about this new forum software.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: tss on March 10, 2015, 06:11:18 PM
great to see things moving forward.  i can't wait to see what $1.5m gets these days in terms of software development.  i am expecting big things, even though most cool coding will only be useful to the mods.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: CC23 on March 10, 2015, 06:24:20 PM
Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

Oh, I'm in another SMF forum where exactly this is an issue. Might one get their hands on this fix, somehow, please? :)
To be exact, we are wondering if there's a way to stop seeing a thread in "unreadreplies", like when someone posts in a thread which proceeds to degenerate into unending spam and trolling and keeps showing up although you don't want to see it anymore. If this is something else, never mind.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BCwinning on March 10, 2015, 10:13:42 PM
Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

Oh, I'm in another SMF forum where exactly this is an issue. Might one get their hands on this fix, somehow, please? :)
To be exact, we are wondering if there's a way to stop seeing a thread in "unreadreplies", like when someone posts in a thread which proceeds to degenerate into unending spam and trolling and keeps showing up although you don't want to see it anymore. If this is something else, never mind.
have you checked github to see if that patch has been uploaded? Maybe the coder here, shared it with smf.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Lauda on March 10, 2015, 10:22:50 PM
Wrong. He is not obliged to spend the money on the forum. He can spend it however he wants, he can even shut down the forum.
The fact that he spent (is spending) so much money on the forum, shows what kind of person he really is.

Is that to me or him? :)
Obviously I meant him, while using 'he', else I'd use 'you'.
I guess we will still have to wait, even though in the meantime accounts are at risk.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 05:04:30 AM
Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

Oh, I'm in another SMF forum where exactly this is an issue. Might one get their hands on this fix, somehow, please? :)
To be exact, we are wondering if there's a way to stop seeing a thread in "unreadreplies", like when someone posts in a thread which proceeds to degenerate into unending spam and trolling and keeps showing up although you don't want to see it anymore. If this is something else, never mind.
have you checked github to see if that patch has been uploaded? Maybe the coder here, shared it with smf.

I think it was none other than theymos and I don't think he made a pull request. He is too busy for that!

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on March 11, 2015, 06:03:25 AM
Problem! Funds were donated, hence non-profit.

That's not how non profits work.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Enzyme on March 11, 2015, 06:39:25 AM
Can't wait for the new forum.

Hope it has a good BG and template like HackForums...


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: b!z on March 11, 2015, 06:52:17 AM
Can't wait for the new forum.

Hope it has a good BG and template like HackForums...

That forum was never good...  ???


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: AT101ET on March 11, 2015, 10:06:02 AM
Templates are easily changeable. Anyway I disagree. From my experience with HackForums I definitely prefer this.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BadBear on March 11, 2015, 11:28:43 AM
Can't watch a thread without posting in it, can't unwatch a thread without deleting your post (which doesn't always work). (fixed by theymos)

Oh, I'm in another SMF forum where exactly this is an issue. Might one get their hands on this fix, somehow, please? :)
To be exact, we are wondering if there's a way to stop seeing a thread in "unreadreplies", like when someone posts in a thread which proceeds to degenerate into unending spam and trolling and keeps showing up although you don't want to see it anymore. If this is something else, never mind.

No, that's exactly it. Show new replies to your posts is kind of useless because you have to post in a thread to make it show up there, and a lot of people are lurkers and don't have anything to say, they just want to be kept up to date on specific threads without going to a dozen different boards to find them. And then once it's there, there is no way to remove it. IIRC some people reported success by deleting their posts in that thread, but some didn't, but with how large some threads are it can be hard to find all your posts.

Theymos made the watchlist himself, mostly to get around this specific issue, it was causing lots of nonsense posts (I remember one particular user posted "hmm..." in every thread he was interested in). It has all the features of show new replies, also the watch and unwatch button, and watch boards.

Theymos handles the technical side though, I'm no coder or anything, computers are just a hobby at best for me. I don't know if what he did will work on new versions of SMF. You'll have to talk to him about that.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 11, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
Any idea how much longer it will take to complete?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 01:01:53 PM
Any idea how much longer it will take to complete?

Repaeting: Slickage told that they are at the end. So I think we can see a alpha/beta/stable release by 1-3 months.

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 11, 2015, 01:09:11 PM
Any idea how much longer it will take to complete?

Repaeting: Slickage told that they are at the end. So I think we can see a alpha/beta/stable release by 1-3 months.

   -MZ

Thanks


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: mishax1 on March 11, 2015, 01:24:13 PM
What will happen to this one?  Will the new one run on this domain ?  :(


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 01:30:52 PM
What will happen to this one?  Will the new one run on this domain ?  :(

I think yes. There maybe downtime when it is released for adding the software and for migrating all data. Else, there maybe server migrating but obviously, not domain.

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: mishax1 on March 11, 2015, 01:42:29 PM
And that would be the end for our sig campaigns! sell your hero member now !!  :D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: KaChingCoinDev on March 11, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Will the new forum have signature campaigns?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on March 11, 2015, 01:56:48 PM
Any idea how much longer it will take to complete?

Repaeting: Slickage told that they are at the end. So I think we can see a alpha/beta/stable release by 1-3 months.

   -MZ

Alpha by June 2015 -_- At what point do we unretire soonTM?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Equinoxx on March 11, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
Will the new forum have signature campaigns?

Yes it will, I am sure.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 11, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
Will the new forum have signature campaigns?

Yes it will, I am sure.
provably. There is a very large economy and advertisement opportunities created by signature campaigns. First it creates spending money for people who don't own lots of bitcoins, and it creates lots of advertising.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 02:18:07 PM
Alpha by June 2015 -_- At what point do we unretire soonTM?

Be positive! :) Theymos said that there was some problems. It may have caused the delay. We don't want to be impatient! Slow and steady is good for this project! :)

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: mishax1 on March 11, 2015, 02:18:47 PM
Will the new forum have signature campaigns?

Yes it will, I am sure.
provably. There is a very large economy and advertisement opportunities created by signature campaigns. First it creates spending money for people who don't own lots of bitcoins, and it creates lots of advertising.

There are many sides to how that kind of advertisement affects the forum, for good and for worse.  It will sure be interesting to see how things turns out with the new forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BadBear on March 11, 2015, 02:23:14 PM
I'm pushing for a way to easily disable signature advertising on a per user basis, it would be a setting in your profile you could set yourself. Either filter them by keywords or regex, disable special characters and formatting to make signatures less obnoxious, or something similar.

If one can disable forum ads, one should be able to disable sig ads as well. Since signature ads are so much more prolific it only makes sense. Shouldn't have to disable signatures entirely just because because of ads, users should have the choice. Signature advertising would still be possible, just less effective, and would cut down on the spam without so many users needing to be moderated/banned.

It would also mean sig campaigns would need to be much more responsible. If your campaign has lots of spammers in it that you are not controlling, then people are going to block your ads. If your ad is obnoxious, people will block it.

Edit: I've made a thread to discuss possible signature changes here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=985516


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: hilariousandco on March 11, 2015, 02:39:21 PM
I'm pushing for a way to easily disable signature advertising on a per user basis, it would be a setting in your profile you could set yourself. Either filter them by keywords or regex, disable special characters and formatting to make signatures less obnoxious, or something similar.

If one can disable forum ads, one should be able to disable sig ads as well. Since signature ads are so much more prolific it only makes sense. Shouldn't have to disable signatures entirely just because because of ads, users should have the choice. Signature advertising would still be possible, just less effective, and would cut down on the spam without so many users needing to be moderated.

It would also mean sig campaigns would need to be much more responsible. If your campaign has lots of spammers in it that you are not controlling, then people are going to block your ads.

Sounds like a great idea and compromise. It has my support. How about an 'ignore this user's signature' button in a similar way you can ignore users? Or maybe certain staff or admins could have the choice of disabling certain user's signatures as punishment instead of a ban. The option to either disable them for a short period of a week or something or for three-time offenders disabling them forever (or something extreme like several months even up to a year) may be a greater deterrent.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 02:39:46 PM
I'm pushing for a way to easily disable signature advertising on a per user basis, it would be a setting in your profile you could set yourself. Either filter them by keywords or regex, disable special characters and formatting to make signatures less obnoxious, or something similar.

That would be good! It would also help people using mobile data to disable specific ads.

If one can disable forum ads, one should be able to disable sig ads as well. Since signature ads are so much more prolific it only makes sense. Shouldn't have to disable signatures entirely just because because of ads, users should have the choice.

A similar option is available here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=profile;sa=theme but we can't disable specific ads, right?

Signature advertising would still be possible, just less effective, and would cut down on the spam without so many users needing to be moderated/banned.

Agree.

It would also mean sig campaigns would need to be much more responsible. If your campaign has lots of spammers in it that you are not controlling, then people are going to block your ads. If your ad is obnoxious, people will block it.

That would be more effective! Is it in the future feature list?

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BadBear on March 11, 2015, 02:43:49 PM
I'm pushing for a way to easily disable signature advertising on a per user basis, it would be a setting in your profile you could set yourself. Either filter them by keywords or regex, disable special characters and formatting to make signatures less obnoxious, or something similar.

That would be good! It would also help people using mobile data to disable specific ads.

If one can disable forum ads, one should be able to disable sig ads as well. Since signature ads are so much more prolific it only makes sense. Shouldn't have to disable signatures entirely just because because of ads, users should have the choice.

A similar option is available here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=profile;sa=theme but we can't disable specific ads, right?

Signature advertising would still be possible, just less effective, and would cut down on the spam without so many users needing to be moderated/banned.

Agree.

It would also mean sig campaigns would need to be much more responsible. If your campaign has lots of spammers in it that you are not controlling, then people are going to block your ads. If your ad is obnoxious, people will block it.

That would be more effective! Is it in the future feature list?

   -MZ

Yes, currently you can only disable signatures entirely, which is undesirable. Signatures can contain valuable information. Mine contains my PGP key for example, though I should probably add it to my profile now that I think about it.

It is not in the feature list, though it shouldn't be difficult to add, either as a feature or by theymos later.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Bitcoin_BOy$ on March 11, 2015, 02:55:24 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
1.5 million dollars thats is a high amount and also how could the new forum be  :o ??
also can this be an investisment really ? can the Roi back in 1 year ?? and also we won't see
the sdite down for ddos ever ever ? and could i know that how u invest 1.5 million dollar and the
project will be open source , really u (The forum ) are very generous . Respect


Bitcoin Boy


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Equinoxx on March 11, 2015, 04:36:13 PM
Yeah, that's Slickage's $100k monthly fee. The amounts aren't exact, though. I send approximately the correct amount to an intermediate wallet of my own, and then it gets sent to Slickage via Coinbase.

The total cost will probably be around $1.5 million, which is more than I'd hoped, though not entirely unexpected.
1.5 million dollars thats is a high amount and also how could the new forum be  :o ??
also can this be an investisment really ? can the Roi back in 1 year ?? and also we won't see
the sdite down for ddos ever ever ? and could i know that how u invest 1.5 million dollar and the
project will be open source , really u (The forum ) are very generous . Respect


Bitcoin Boy

Dude my hopes are seriously high.. I am expecting some awesome stuff and there return of avatars.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 11, 2015, 04:41:30 PM
Yes, currently you can only disable signatures entirely, which is undesirable. Signatures can contain valuable information. Mine contains my PGP key for example, though I should probably add it to my profile now that I think about it.

I understand.

It is not in the feature list, though it shouldn't be difficult to add, either as a feature or by theymos later.

Okay! No problem! Hope this catches theymos' eyes.

1.5 million dollars thats is a high amount and also how could the new forum be  :o ??

Everybody is eager to see it!

also can this be an investisment really ? can the Roi back in 1 year ??

If theymos really need to get it, he can add new donator tags for lower amounts.

and also we won't see the sdite down for ddos ever ever ?

Unpredictable but totally expectable.

and could i know that how u invest 1.5 million dollar and the
project will be open source , really u (The forum ) are very generous . Respect

Bitcoin Boy

"There is no letter in English alphabets which can be used to describe theymos perfectly!" ::)

   -MZ


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Lauda on March 11, 2015, 05:20:19 PM
1.5 million dollars thats is a high amount and also how could the new forum be  :o ??
also can this be an investisment really ? can the Roi back in 1 year ?? and also we won't see
the sdite down for ddos ever ever ? and could i know that how u invest 1.5 million dollar and the
project will be open source , really u (The forum ) are very generous . Respect

Bitcoin Boy
There is no ROI. There doesn't need to be one. The forum wasn't indeed to make a profit.
It was just something needed for the biggest Bitcoin community, since the free alternatives are 'bad'.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Bitcoin_BOy$ on March 11, 2015, 05:57:37 PM
1.5 million dollars thats is a high amount and also how could the new forum be  :o ??
also can this be an investisment really ? can the Roi back in 1 year ?? and also we won't see
the sdite down for ddos ever ever ? and could i know that how u invest 1.5 million dollar and the
project will be open source , really u (The forum ) are very generous . Respect

Bitcoin Boy
There is no ROI. There doesn't need to be one. The forum wasn't indeed to make a profit.
It was just something needed for the biggest Bitcoin community, since the free alternatives are 'bad'.

Thanks i didn't mean exactly ROI but the community could even start other project not just developing the thread

Kind Of Respect ,
Bitcoin Boy


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Wardrick on March 11, 2015, 10:45:15 PM
What do you mean like eBay? Like an online store? I'm confused, sorry.

I'm talking about the general upgrade that ebay has gone through and a lot of other sites. It would be nice to have a couple of their market features too. eBay upgraded there site awhile back from the lay out they have been using since they first came out. Im talking about things like a thread manager, a place where you could go to see all your threads and click and edit them without going to the actual thread and message folders where you can move certain messages into folders you make.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Equinoxx on March 12, 2015, 09:33:37 AM
What do you mean like eBay? Like an online store? I'm confused, sorry.

I'm talking about the general upgrade that ebay has gone through and a lot of other sites. It would be nice to have a couple of their market features too. eBay upgraded there site awhile back from the lay out they have been using since they first came out. Im talking about things like a thread manager, a place where you could go to see all your threads and click and edit them without going to the actual thread and message folders where you can move certain messages into folders you make.

I agree. I would prefer that this forum was a lot more broader and not just 'view posts' . it would be nice to view the threads that you and others have created. I have looked for my design thread for a while sometimes just going through the pages and not finding it irritates me.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 12, 2015, 08:51:22 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Wardrick on March 12, 2015, 09:52:20 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.

Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Quickseller on March 12, 2015, 10:01:04 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.
The forum could use one major exchange to display the price, or an index of various major exchanges. I would say that I do like this idea.
Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
The 2FA really should be via with either a PGP signed message, a bitcoin signed message or with google authenticator. There are simply too many places in the world that the forum would need to send text's to for it to make sense to have 2FA with text messages.

We already have the ability to get notifications on your smartphone. All you need to do is have your email address on your forum profile set to an email that your smartphone has access to. Then anytime you get a notification it will be on your smart phone. You could even use a dedicated email for this function.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Bitcoin_BOy$ on March 12, 2015, 10:02:00 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.

Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
the main idea isn't really needed everyone could convert away , also it can slow little the page load ;
* we can use the api of blockchain.info or even user could choose between five or six exchanges  

Kind Of Respect ,
Bitcoin


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 12, 2015, 10:03:49 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.

Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
the main idea isn't really needed everyone could convert away , also it can slow little the page load ;
* we can use the api of blockchain.info or even user could choose between five or six exchanges  

Kind Of Respect ,
Bitcoin
Everyone can convert of course, but most sellers sometimes say that they do bitstamp + 3% or something for the price, or basedo n fiat, so this would make it faster. Hopefully bitcoin reaches the point where we measure it in btc and not usd however.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Wardrick on March 12, 2015, 10:14:06 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.
The forum could use one major exchange to display the price, or an index of various major exchanges. I would say that I do like this idea.
Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
The 2FA really should be via with either a PGP signed message, a bitcoin signed message or with google authenticator. There are simply too many places in the world that the forum would need to send text's to for it to make sense to have 2FA with text messages.

We already have the ability to get notifications on your smartphone. All you need to do is have your email address on your forum profile set to an email that your smartphone has access to. Then anytime you get a notification it will be on your smart phone. You could even use a dedicated email for this function.

I was thinking that having an index of exchanges could work. If you were able to go into your account settings and change the exchange or have it somewhere accessible on the forum it'd be very convenient to have. There's several times I've wanted to use this as I'm always going back and recalculating the costs when I'm buying/selling something.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 12, 2015, 10:43:31 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.
The forum could use one major exchange to display the price, or an index of various major exchanges. I would say that I do like this idea.
Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
The 2FA really should be via with either a PGP signed message, a bitcoin signed message or with google authenticator. There are simply too many places in the world that the forum would need to send text's to for it to make sense to have 2FA with text messages.

We already have the ability to get notifications on your smartphone. All you need to do is have your email address on your forum profile set to an email that your smartphone has access to. Then anytime you get a notification it will be on your smart phone. You could even use a dedicated email for this function.

I was thinking that having an index of exchanges could work. If you were able to go into your account settings and change the exchange or have it somewhere accessible on the forum it'd be very convenient to have. There's several times I've wanted to use this as I'm always going back and recalculating the costs when I'm buying/selling something.
Yea you can check off "overall average" or check each individual exchange to take an average from. I usually use winkdex.com when checking the current price. As they have a nice website and good graphs


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 12, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
What about something like automatic btc price updating. Theres a tag like [btcprice]20USD[/btcprice] and you can have the btc amount updated automatically so that the value in fiat stays the same. Also automatic btc link formatting, address formatting, sign message verifier, lots of cool btc features could be used here.

People use different exchanges to price Bitcoin so although it would give a ballpark estimate, it wouldn't be the same for everyone. How much this would effect the usage of it I wouldn't be able to say.
The forum could use one major exchange to display the price, or an index of various major exchanges. I would say that I do like this idea.
Having phone notifications and 2 factor authentication would be nice. With phone notifications you could link a smartphone to your account and receive notifications on the posts or topics you choose. For instance you could create a thread and you would have an option that you could tick that would notify you by phone of a post. You could do the same with personal messages or anything you wanted to be notified on. I'm unsure how efficient this would be if there isn't a mobile version of the site.
The 2FA really should be via with either a PGP signed message, a bitcoin signed message or with google authenticator. There are simply too many places in the world that the forum would need to send text's to for it to make sense to have 2FA with text messages.

We already have the ability to get notifications on your smartphone. All you need to do is have your email address on your forum profile set to an email that your smartphone has access to. Then anytime you get a notification it will be on your smart phone. You could even use a dedicated email for this function.
An option for address signed (or pgp) 2fa would be pretty great but I would assume only the "better" accounts would use this. Its quite a hastle to sign something everytime you want to sign in, but if I owned the Vod account or the theymos account I would use this as my account would be worth the time it took to keep it safe.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 13, 2015, 03:47:03 AM
An option for address signed (or pgp) 2fa would be pretty great but I would assume only the "better" accounts would use this. Its quite a hastle to sign something everytime you want to sign in, but if I owned the Vod account or the theymos account I would use this as my account would be worth the time it took to keep it safe.

It doesn't matter whether I am a staff or not, I don't feel comfortable when someone scam using my account or sell it to other person. 2FA isn't forced by the forum but it will give high security to your account. When people[1] think my account isn't worth, they will care less and when the account is gone, many threads will rise in Meta telling "my account is hacked", "theymos not responding", "admins are lazy" etc... "Try to avoid in situations like this" all what I can say. :)

[1] In general.

P.S. You can use Google Authenticator or use Authy[2] instead of PGP/Bitcoin 2FA.

[2] Authy supports Google 2FA.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Sarahiko on March 13, 2015, 03:53:03 AM
a good update from the admin will clear every doubts you have,  but having to spend that much of money for a forum design it will really make some eyebrows goes up.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: onewiseguy on March 13, 2015, 03:53:52 AM
Theymos, in no way am I doubting you or your ability to manage the forums funds. This is just a little "Thinking out loud".

https://blockchain.info/address/1M4yNbSCwSMFLF9BaLqzoo2to1WHtZrPke

Last two transactions, 350 BTC each, moved. That is a total of $194,000. Hmm, any guesses on where that went?
This is going to be a very very awesome forum. 1.5 Million for a brand spanking new place to community would be a very good thing for bitcoin.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 13, 2015, 03:55:13 AM
a good update from the admin will clear every doubts you have,  but having to spend that much of money for a forum design it will really make some eyebrows goes up.

Check the DOC in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523070.0.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 14, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
a good update from the admin will clear every doubts you have,  but having to spend that much of money for a forum design it will really make some eyebrows goes up.

Check the DOC in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=523070.0.
Yea I read the document and its really going to be a great forum. However we need some more btc features, like I stated before maybe automatically converting dolars to bitcoin with a special tag, and people can choose what currency and exchange they wan't from a settings part of their profile.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Jakez on March 14, 2015, 07:23:54 PM
Anyways i think its going to be a great forum. Lets wait for it. But i have a doubt.? All current database will be imported to the new forum or it will be a brand new forum ?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: hilariousetc on March 14, 2015, 07:40:04 PM
All data and forum accounts will be inported and carried over. Would be a bit silly to start afresh.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: picolo on March 15, 2015, 12:50:57 AM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.

It should be very good !

Slikage twitter : https://twitter.com/slickage


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 15, 2015, 01:25:22 AM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.

It should be very good !

Slikage twitter : https://twitter.com/slickage

That's true. Not many people have Twitter accounts.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Silverspoon on March 15, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
I did a little bit of research on Slickage ...They also have a website but all it does is link to their Twitter and Github accounts. I'm curious how they were able to get this job.

Slickage Studios' website is their economy $500,000 version.  The new $1,500,000.00 forum is going to be even better & more full-featured.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: sdp on March 22, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
I really like the idea of signing something with your PGP key instead ofusing a password.  Also using SQRL login which using the bitcoin style signing but with a cell phone is even more secure.  Using secret questions and answers is kind of like a rotating password list you can't change.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 22, 2015, 03:22:15 PM
I really like the idea of signing something with your PGP key instead ofusing a password.  Also using SQRL login which using the bitcoin style signing but with a cell phone is even more secure.  Using secret questions and answers is kind of like a rotating password list you can't change.

It will be added.

Fancy Authentication
In addition to normal password authentication, the forum should support various kinds of of alternative authentication. At least password auth, email verification, secret questions, OpenID, PGP, OpenVPN (automatic creation of subnets + IP source verification), and Bitcoin address signing should be supported, with multiple allowable credentials for each auth type. Users should have the option of requiring any combination of these auth types. Like "pgp OR (password AND OpenID)". And users should be able to require that changes to some or all auth types as well as the required combination of types not take effect for some configurable number of days. This allows for different types of recovery methods.

Also, it should be possible to limit the access for each auth type. So one type might be able to only read, but not post, etc. If the Web interface uses the same API that is exposed publicly, then these permissions can be in the form of allowed API commands.

It might be nice to make this functionality into a self-contained library that other sites can use.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: LZ on March 23, 2015, 02:35:03 AM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2015, 04:14:58 AM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 23, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Haha but the forum would probably not be amused that he just used 1.5 million of our donated money to pay for some shit forum.  I don't think I can say I would be laughing if this was the case.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: sdp on March 23, 2015, 02:25:51 PM
I bet I could get sixteen guys to work on this for a year for that sum of money.  It is just crazy.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 23, 2015, 02:32:18 PM
I bet I could get sixteen guys to work on this for a year for that sum of money.  It is just crazy.

I want to see that. Cost for hiring experts are very high. You may think it don't cost that much but it will. Step into a work like this and you can see for yourself.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: redsn0w on March 23, 2015, 02:44:51 PM
I bet I could get sixteen guys to work on this for a year for that sum of money.  It is just crazy.

I want to see that. Cost for hiring experts are very high. You may think it don't cost that much but it will. Step into a work like this and you can see for yourself.

At the end one year is not too much, most probable the new forum software will be released on April or May (or at least I hope). The slickage team (by word of theymos) are really expert coders.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 23, 2015, 02:47:02 PM
I bet I could get sixteen guys to work on this for a year for that sum of money.  It is just crazy.

I want to see that. Cost for hiring experts are very high. You may think it don't cost that much but it will. Step into a work like this and you can see for yourself.
15 workers working for an entire year would allow for 100k per person which is a very high salary and 15 people probably isn't even necessary.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2015, 05:02:34 PM
I bet I could get sixteen guys to work on this for a year for that sum of money.  It is just crazy.

I want to see that. Cost for hiring experts are very high. You may think it don't cost that much but it will. Step into a work like this and you can see for yourself.
15 workers working for an entire year would allow for 100k per person which is a very high salary and 15 people probably isn't even necessary.

It's even less than that. For shits and giggles I called vbulletin to inquire about a custom application of their latest 5 connect community software. They claim for less than $100k they could custom design per your specifications a version of their forum software and include 2 years of tech support. LOL


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: ACCTseller on March 23, 2015, 05:10:15 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Lol for some reason I don't think theymos would fall for something like that.

You need to remember that the forum needs to have a lot of security measures as there are going to be a lot of attempts to hack it and user accounts. As well as have a very robust backend/moderation/administration functions as there are a lot of people that break the rules and try to evade their bans.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2015, 05:15:35 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Lol for some reason I don't think theymos would fall for something like that.

You need to remember that the forum needs to have a lot of security measures as there are going to be a lot of attempts to hack it and user accounts. As well as have a very robust backend/moderation/administration functions as there are a lot of people that break the rules and try to evade their bans.

I think I would almost rather do that or maybe give them another $100k for extra effort than eat the monumental bags of shit he will eat if this new forum gets attacked and ends up off line for days. You know this new forum will have a big, come and get me hackers, bullseye painted on it, right? It better be bulletproof and Cosby proof.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: ACCTseller on March 23, 2015, 05:28:06 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Lol for some reason I don't think theymos would fall for something like that.

You need to remember that the forum needs to have a lot of security measures as there are going to be a lot of attempts to hack it and user accounts. As well as have a very robust backend/moderation/administration functions as there are a lot of people that break the rules and try to evade their bans.

I think I would almost rather do that or maybe give them another $100k for extra effort than eat the monumental bags of shit he will eat if this new forum gets attacked and ends up off line for days. You know this new forum will have a big, come and get me hackers, bullseye painted on it, right? It better be bulletproof and Cosby proof.
The current forum is also a target for hackers. There is a huge amount of commerce that takes place on the forum that getting access to a well trusted account could result in a huge scam. The same goes for if an attacker was able to intercept/change PMs at the DB level.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2015, 05:32:54 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Lol for some reason I don't think theymos would fall for something like that.

You need to remember that the forum needs to have a lot of security measures as there are going to be a lot of attempts to hack it and user accounts. As well as have a very robust backend/moderation/administration functions as there are a lot of people that break the rules and try to evade their bans.

I think I would almost rather do that or maybe give them another $100k for extra effort than eat the monumental bags of shit he will eat if this new forum gets attacked and ends up off line for days. You know this new forum will have a big, come and get me hackers, bullseye painted on it, right? It better be bulletproof and Cosby proof.
The current forum is also a target for hackers. There is a huge amount of commerce that takes place on the forum that getting access to a well trusted account could result in a huge scam. The same goes for if an attacker was able to intercept/change PMs at the DB level.

Sure but the current forum is free and it's working. For the cost, the new one needs to be perfect. Now instead of being a target for thieves and scammers it's a target just because.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: ACCTseller on March 23, 2015, 05:38:04 PM
I really hope that Slickage can do something incredibly awesome... ???
And not something that I can do for free for the same amount of time.

It would be really funny if it ended up being $140 XenForo and they paid the extra $250 to remove the branding so they could resell it for a cool $1.5 million. LOL
Lol for some reason I don't think theymos would fall for something like that.

You need to remember that the forum needs to have a lot of security measures as there are going to be a lot of attempts to hack it and user accounts. As well as have a very robust backend/moderation/administration functions as there are a lot of people that break the rules and try to evade their bans.

I think I would almost rather do that or maybe give them another $100k for extra effort than eat the monumental bags of shit he will eat if this new forum gets attacked and ends up off line for days. You know this new forum will have a big, come and get me hackers, bullseye painted on it, right? It better be bulletproof and Cosby proof.
The current forum is also a target for hackers. There is a huge amount of commerce that takes place on the forum that getting access to a well trusted account could result in a huge scam. The same goes for if an attacker was able to intercept/change PMs at the DB level.

Sure but the current forum is free and it's working. For the cost, the new one needs to be perfect. Now instead of being a target for thieves and scammers it's a target just because.
I think the primary goal of the new forum is to make it easier to manage. I saw that BadBeatr mention that a lot of the backend functions are not very efficient which makes the current forum more difficult to manage eg handle spammers and other rule breakers


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Mellnik on March 23, 2015, 05:52:07 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on March 23, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

Donations be donatin' then appreciatin'.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 23, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.
Well its not his money, its the "forums" money which we donated. We didn't pay all this money for the development of theymos, we did for the development of the forum. So this money should only be spent on the forum.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 23, 2015, 09:01:00 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.
Well its not his money, its the "forums" money which we donated. We didn't pay all this money for the development of theymos, we did for the development of the forum. So this money should only be spent on the forum.

That's bullshit. The donations were made during a time when mining was easy and 50 coins was nothing. I donated a few myself but not enough to get the special perks of donator/VIP. That's why people donated BTW. They wanted to help the forum survive and get the perks of donator status. Back then it would have taken 50 coins just to pay for hosting. When I donated the exchange rate was $2-5. I think it's stupid to overpay for forum software. I would much prefer theymos blow it on hookers and beer or have a huge party and invite everyone. 


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 23, 2015, 10:05:01 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.
Well its not his money, its the "forums" money which we donated. We didn't pay all this money for the development of theymos, we did for the development of the forum. So this money should only be spent on the forum.

That's bullshit. The donations were made during a time when mining was easy and 50 coins was nothing. I donated a few myself but not enough to get the special perks of donator/VIP. That's why people donated BTW. They wanted to help the forum survive and get the perks of donator status. Back then it would have taken 50 coins just to pay for hosting. When I donated the exchange rate was $2-5. I think it's stupid to overpay for forum software. I would much prefer theymos blow it on hookers and beer or have a huge party and invite everyone. 
Me too, I don't like spending that much on forum software, better to safe it, no reason to spend it all, but the coins as of now are worth much more then they did when you donated obviously.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 23, 2015, 10:15:31 PM
Me too, I don't like spending that much on forum software, better to safe it, no reason to spend it all, but the coins as of now are worth much more then they did when you donated obviously.

Save it for what? I'm curious as to whether Bitcointalk will collect any BTC for anything once the new forum is done. Its just a forum, what else is money needed for?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Quickseller on March 23, 2015, 10:20:05 PM
Me too, I don't like spending that much on forum software, better to safe it, no reason to spend it all, but the coins as of now are worth much more then they did when you donated obviously.

Save it for what? I'm curious as to whether Bitcointalk will collect any BTC for anything once the new forum is done. Its just a forum, what else is money needed for?
-snip-
I donated a few myself but not enough to get the special perks of donator/VIP. That's why people donated BTW. They wanted to help the forum survive and get the perks of donator status. Back then it would have taken 50 coins just to pay for hosting. When I donated the exchange rate was $2-5. I think it's stupid to overpay for forum software. I would much prefer theymos blow it on hookers and beer or have a huge party and invite everyone.  
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 23, 2015, 10:22:02 PM
Me too, I don't like spending that much on forum software, better to safe it, no reason to spend it all, but the coins as of now are worth much more then they did when you donated obviously.

Save it for what? I'm curious as to whether Bitcointalk will collect any BTC for anything once the new forum is done. Its just a forum, what else is money needed for?
-snip-
I donated a few myself but not enough to get the special perks of donator/VIP. That's why people donated BTW. They wanted to help the forum survive and get the perks of donator status. Back then it would have taken 50 coins just to pay for hosting. When I donated the exchange rate was $2-5. I think it's stupid to overpay for forum software. I would much prefer theymos blow it on hookers and beer or have a huge party and invite everyone. 

I really want a party, where are those thousands bitcoin (or more?). Otherwise we are waiting the new forum I think it will be awesome! Stay tuned.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 23, 2015, 10:29:50 PM
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members

Pretty sure a party would be out of the question. Too much issue with organizing it, where to have it, etc. Also people that donated under the pretenses of getting new forum software probably wouldn't be thrilled.

Theymos could have thrown himself a party, but that probably wouldn't have gone over well.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: BitCoinDream on March 23, 2015, 10:46:08 PM
So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.
Well its not his money, its the "forums" money which we donated. We didn't pay all this money for the development of theymos, we did for the development of the forum. So this money should only be spent on the forum.

That's bullshit. The donations were made during a time when mining was easy and 50 coins was nothing. I donated a few myself but not enough to get the special perks of donator/VIP. That's why people donated BTW. They wanted to help the forum survive and get the perks of donator status. Back then it would have taken 50 coins just to pay for hosting. When I donated the exchange rate was $2-5. I think it's stupid to overpay for forum software. I would much prefer theymos blow it on hookers and beer or have a huge party and invite everyone. 

AFAIK, Charlie has a great club at LA. We can all party there ;)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 23, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members

Pretty sure a party would be out of the question. Too much issue with organizing it, where to have it, etc. Also people that donated under the pretenses of getting new forum software probably wouldn't be thrilled.

Theymos could have thrown himself a party, but that probably wouldn't have gone over well.
Yea it definitely would. Also when you donate it says that donations will be used for forum software, not personal expenses or anything like that. If theymos goes and throws himself a party or for some trusted users here, most of us would be pretty mad that the funds were misused.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Nomisma on March 23, 2015, 11:13:42 PM

 After the software is done and we start using the slickage forum software. Will there be more donations and ads? If so , where will that be spent?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Vod on March 23, 2015, 11:16:19 PM

 After the software is done and we start using the slickage forum software. Will there be more donations and ads? If so , where will that be spent?

Hopefully keeping the software up to date against hackers.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: funtotry on March 24, 2015, 02:31:15 AM
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members
With 1.5 million we could spend a staggering 3 dollars for each user, buy everyone a cheap beer on this forum.
How bout lets have a vote ;) 3 dollars in btc each or new forum  ;D
Jokes aside, looking forward to the new forum


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: sdp on March 24, 2015, 01:29:34 PM
If you put it that way, three dollars for each person.  That's not bad.  In SMF, if you post in one thread and all of the new posts on that thread are counted as replies to you.  Normally these posts are not.  It would be a nice thing if the software could tell the difference.  I hope Theymos has a taken ideas from Meta.  It is a mine of feature requests.

sdp


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on March 24, 2015, 03:37:34 PM
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members
With 1.5 million we could spend a staggering 3 dollars for each user, buy everyone a cheap beer on this forum.
How bout lets have a vote ;) 3 dollars in btc each or new forum  ;D
Jokes aside, looking forward to the new forum

Don't do it per user, there'd be plenty of idiots getting 700 beers delivered.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: ndnh on March 24, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
Yeah, 1.5 million dollar forum is really cool.
It is really a great thing to look forward to. ;)

Theymos did the right thing of course (after reading first few replies). I suppose the funds can't be used for anything else than developing the forum.


For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members
With 1.5 million we could spend a staggering 3 dollars for each user, buy everyone a cheap beer on this forum.
How bout lets have a vote ;) 3 dollars in btc each or new forum  ;D
Jokes aside, looking forward to the new forum

Don't do it per user, there'd be plenty of idiots getting 700 beers delivered.

lol. :D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on March 24, 2015, 08:49:51 PM
For hookers, beer and throwing a party for 475,204 total members
With 1.5 million we could spend a staggering 3 dollars for each user, buy everyone a cheap beer on this forum.
How bout lets have a vote ;) 3 dollars in btc each or new forum  ;D
Jokes aside, looking forward to the new forum

Don't do it per user, there'd be plenty of idiots getting 700 beers delivered.

No doubt. There's only about 1000 flesh & blood members and 470k alts.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 24, 2015, 08:55:28 PM

 After the software is done and we start using the slickage forum software. Will there be more donations and ads? If so , where will that be spent?

I asked about that last night, any additional funds collected will be used for supporting Bitcoin development, saved as part of an emergency fund, etc.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: --Encrypted-- on March 24, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
it said in the donate page that "all profit is reinvested into the forum and the community".. thought I suspect that Theymos must have took a BTC or two for himself. (sorry, dude  :P)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: NumismaCorporation on March 25, 2015, 12:36:14 AM

 But if the collection is strictly for the software development , anything leftover or collected afterwards needs to have right of the donators . The ones that was leftover from the software must be asked and the ones that will be collected afterwards must state it will not be for software development , it will be for whatever reason and people as always should trust theymos and you guys. Otherwise , you could simply not spend 1.5 million dollars on a single forum software and save it for charitable stuff under bitcoin and bitcointalk name which is a great marketing because you are getting the name out there AND helping people.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: bitcoin_bagholder on March 25, 2015, 12:59:55 AM
it said in the donate page that "all profit is reinvested into the forum and the community".. thought I suspect that Theymos must have took a BTC or two for himself. (sorry, dude  :P)

Are you accusing theymos of receiving a kickback or two?

Careful, dude, or you'll lose your glittery signature ad.   ;D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: S4VV4S on March 25, 2015, 10:22:29 AM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)

So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

^^^ The first quote says it all.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.....


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: S4VV4S on April 01, 2015, 05:32:12 PM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)

So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

^^^ The first quote says it all.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.....

I hate to quote my self but...

WTF happened to 1.5M dollars?



Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: abyrnes81 on April 01, 2015, 05:36:33 PM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)

So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

^^^ The first quote says it all.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.....

I hate to quote my self but...

WTF happened to 1.5M dollars?



Have you read all the thread? 1.5 mln dollars for the new forum software 'open source'.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: S4VV4S on April 01, 2015, 05:46:34 PM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)

So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

^^^ The first quote says it all.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.....

I hate to quote my self but...

WTF happened to 1.5M dollars?



Have you read all the thread? 1.5 mln dollars for the new forum software 'open source'.

Are you shitting me?

1.5M for basically nothing?

Once again....
Why did 1.5M of users donations went to a "startup" company that Theymos chose?



Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 01, 2015, 05:52:35 PM
Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer.

Well played :)

So, theymos is kind of a multi millionaire huh.

^^^ The first quote says it all.

Sorry, but it just doesn't make sense.....

I hate to quote my self but...

WTF happened to 1.5M dollars?



Have you read all the thread? 1.5 mln dollars for the new forum software 'open source'.

Are you shitting me?

1.5M for basically nothing?

Once again....
Why did 1.5M of users donations went to a "startup" company that Theymos chose?

Because all donations (and advertising revenue which was the majority of what was used) was raised for the sole purpose of getting new forum software. I'd assume Theymos talked to Slickage and decided that they had the ability to get it done right.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Pushtheghost on April 01, 2015, 06:03:10 PM
What doesn't make sense in my mind is why Theymos and Bitcointalk want to pay $1,500,000 for a forum software that they are going to publish as an open source code for others to use. That's ridiculous! If you're paying millions of dollars to have a piece of software built, you sure as hell don't give it away for free! At least IMO.

To put things into perspective, Lithium software, which is the software used at most big company "support" forums, like answers.ea.com, Skype Support forums etc, was estimated to have a total cost of $2,300,000 to develop. This is slightly over 50% more than the new Bitcointalk forum software, however, Lithium has almost unlimited restrictions in terms of features, and they lease this software to companies from anywhere between $2,000-$20,000 per month.

Crazy, huh?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: hilariousandco on April 01, 2015, 06:16:51 PM
What doesn't make sense in my mind is why Theymos and Bitcointalk want to pay $1,500,000 for a forum software that they are going to publish as an open source code for others to use. That's ridiculous! If you're paying millions of dollars to have a piece of software built, you sure as hell don't give it away for free! At least IMO.

Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

To put things into perspective, Lithium software, which is the software used at most big company "support" forums, like answers.ea.com, Skype Support forums etc, was estimated to have a total cost of $2,300,000 to develop. This is slightly over 50% more than the new Bitcointalk forum software, however, Lithium has almost unlimited restrictions in terms of features, and they lease this software to companies from anywhere between $2,000-$20,000 per month.

Crazy, huh?

I don't know why anyone would pay this much to use forum software. Maybe in the future companies or organizations wont have to pay anything because of open source software like this one. That's the true beauty of it. 


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Pushtheghost on April 01, 2015, 06:30:10 PM
Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

You're correct. Open source software is great. However Satoshi didn't pay a development team $1,500,000 to create the bitcoin network & software. There's a big difference in those comparisons. Capitalistic motives aren't necessary, why not keep the software unique to this forum & don't allow others the chance to reap the rewards of a one and a half million dollar software package?



I don't know why anyone would pay this much to use forum software. Maybe in the future companies or organizations wont have to pay anything because of open source software like this one. That's the true beauty of it. 

Because they are companies and need massive control and functionality on their websites, and Lithium is the only software on the market right now that offers the extensive functionality that these companies require. People think vBulletin is functional and customizable... well I suggest you take a look at some of the moderation and administration tools on Lithium... simply flawless!


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: AT101ET on April 01, 2015, 06:36:18 PM
Well you can say that he found a way to have fun with the avatar system.
Even if that will be the only change, I'd say money well spent.  ;D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 01, 2015, 06:58:46 PM
Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

You're correct. Open source software is great. However Satoshi didn't pay a development team $1,500,000 to create the bitcoin network & software. There's a big difference in those comparisons. Capitalistic motives aren't necessary, why not keep the software unique to this forum & don't allow others the chance to reap the rewards of a one and a half million dollar software package?



I don't know why anyone would pay this much to use forum software. Maybe in the future companies or organizations wont have to pay anything because of open source software like this one. That's the true beauty of it. 

Because they are companies and need massive control and functionality on their websites, and Lithium is the only software on the market right now that offers the extensive functionality that these companies require. People think vBulletin is functional and customizable... well I suggest you take a look at some of the moderation and administration tools on Lithium... simply flawless!

Are you saying they are using Lithium which is closed source? Jive and Lithium are enterprise level platforms which have enterprise level complexities in implementation and cost which is not warranted for a small community forum. Even then Lithium has a starting price at $50k not $1.5m.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Pushtheghost on April 01, 2015, 07:05:10 PM
Are you saying they are using Lithium which is closed source? Jive and Lithium are enterprise level platforms which have enterprise level complexities in implementation and cost which is not warranted for a small community forum. Even then Lithium has a starting price at $50k not $1.5m.

But what relevance does that have to anything I said? Yes most of these companies are using Lithium. Yes, Lithium is closed source. Yes, they are using this platform because of the extensive capabilities and massive feature list.

You say it's not warranted for a small community forum, you're correct. Yet, this is no small community forum, in fact, it's in the top 25 forums in the world right now in terms of user activity. Probably much higher than that even.

Notice my reply was directed at the quote by "hilariousandco" which stated that he thinks that possibly in the future businesses who require these massive sites for their support infrastructure will turn to open source software. I was merely stating that isn't likely to be the case because no open source software is ever going to come close to what a licensed software can do.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 01, 2015, 07:07:10 PM
Are you saying they are using Lithium which is closed source? Jive and Lithium are enterprise level platforms which have enterprise level complexities in implementation and cost which is not warranted for a small community forum. Even then Lithium has a starting price at $50k not $1.5m.

But what relevance does that have to anything I said? Yes most of these companies are using Lithium. Yes, Lithium is closed source. Yes, they are using this platform because of the extensive capabilities and massive feature list.

You say it's not warranted for a small community forum, you're correct. Yet, this is no small community forum, in fact, it's in the top 25 forums in the world right now in terms of user activity. Probably much higher than that even.

Notice my reply was directed at the quote by "hilariousandco" which stated that he thinks that possibly in the future businesses who require these massive sites for their support infrastructure will turn to open source software. I was merely stating that isn't likely to be the case because no open source software is ever going to come close to what a licensed software can do.

Ah, sorry I misunderstood what you were talking about.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on April 01, 2015, 07:15:55 PM
You're correct. Open source software is great. However Satoshi didn't pay a development team $1,500,000 to create the bitcoin network & software. There's a big difference in those comparisons. Capitalistic motives aren't necessary, why not keep the software unique to this forum & don't allow others the chance to reap the rewards of a one and a half million dollar software package?

This is a forum, we dont have capitalistic motives either.

Are you saying they are using Lithium which is closed source? Jive and Lithium are enterprise level platforms which have enterprise level complexities in implementation and cost which is not warranted for a small community forum. Even then Lithium has a starting price at $50k not $1.5m.

But what relevance does that have to anything I said? Yes most of these companies are using Lithium. Yes, Lithium is closed source. Yes, they are using this platform because of the extensive capabilities and massive feature list.

You say it's not warranted for a small community forum, you're correct. Yet, this is no small community forum, in fact, it's in the top 25 forums in the world right now in terms of user activity. Probably much higher than that even.

Notice my reply was directed at the quote by "hilariousandco" which stated that he thinks that possibly in the future businesses who require these massive sites for their support infrastructure will turn to open source software. I was merely stating that isn't likely to be the case because no open source software is ever going to come close to what a licensed software can do.

We will see, wont we?  ;)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Pushtheghost on April 01, 2015, 07:18:57 PM
We will see, wont we?  ;)

Indeed, I guess. I take the above statement from this post made by theymos himself:

I expect that (especially after all this time) most people will be disappointed when the switchover happens because there won't be any major feature improvements over the current forum. My huge list of requirements will be met, but there's nothing groundbreaking in there. Building something (a little more than) feature-equal to SMF (which has been in development for over 10 years) isn't easy. But the new forum software is much more extensible and secure, so any future enhancements should be much easier to do.

I simply wouldn't want people to get too overexcited about the change. It does stun me slightly that the site would pay $1,500,000 for a software package that won't (at least immediately) offer any real feature improvements. However, each to their own, and as previously stated, the funds need to be used somewhere, so why not upgrade the forum software to the best available. :)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dogie on April 01, 2015, 07:40:28 PM
Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

Lets be honest, Satoshi probably did have some capitalistic motives when he put out the white-paper. He imagined it could be a future payment network and put himself in a position that if it did take off, he'd be well seated.


Notice my reply was directed at the quote by "hilariousandco" which stated that he thinks that possibly in the future businesses who require these massive sites for their support infrastructure will turn to open source software. I was merely stating that isn't likely to be the case because no open source software is ever going to come close to what a licensed software can do.

We will see, wont we?  ;)

I for one am very much looking forward to breaking the hell out of the formatting side of things. And hopefully we will finally get tables that don't have to be ghetto modded to do anything useful.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: hilariousandco on April 01, 2015, 07:49:46 PM
Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

You're correct. Open source software is great. However Satoshi didn't pay a development team $1,500,000 to create the bitcoin network & software. There's a big difference in those comparisons. Capitalistic motives aren't necessary, why not keep the software unique to this forum & don't allow others the chance to reap the rewards of a one and a half million dollar software package?

Sounds pretty greedy and still seems to be coming from a capitalist mentality that if they can't make money from it then it should be kept exclusive. Why should it be kept so? The money that paid for it all came from donations so it's development has already been pretty altruistic.

Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

Lets be honest, Satoshi probably did have some capitalistic motives when he put out the white-paper. He imagined it could be a future payment network and put himself in a position that if it did take off, he'd be well seated.

I think if he was just wanting to get rich quick he would have dumped his coins long ago but maybe he is bitcoins biggest believer and hodler? I think we've best hope he isn't  :D.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: dothebeats on April 01, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
man are they reinventing the wheel? This forum (SMF) is free to use, why the hell would anyone spend that much money on new forum code? Why not donate it to smf and work with the devs there to make it better?
Obviously it has held up quite well for the last 5 years too; which seems like a pretty good testament to the code.

Yes, we are creating a completely new forum software to compete with SMF. SMF has a lot of issues, it just isn't suitable for our needs. As far as how much money it costs, I hope that it will be well worth it, but frankly, creating new forum software is pretty much the only thing that the donated coins are to be used for. What else do we need? Might as well go all out.

Those donations are for the forum, though, so might as well spend all of those for the development of the forum rather than any other nonsense and useless crap. The $1.5m dollar should be good, because I can't stand it if ever the new forum software is almost identical to what we have right now. :( Hoping for the best out of that pretty good sum. :) :)


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on April 05, 2015, 09:39:00 AM
He was most likely using those funds to pay slickage, the company that is designing the new forum.

That was my first guess. But 200K for a website? Holy Crap, this is going to be amazing  :o

Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.


any news when this forum will launch? before 2020  ::) ?

"Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer."

maybe the Slickage guys and themos are good friends and share some money...? honestly: it is a little bit strange to choose an unknown startup and give them so much money. there are better companies for that job.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Lauda on April 05, 2015, 09:46:11 AM
Well they have been in development for several months so we can expect something good. My hopes are high.


any news when this forum will launch? before 2020  ::) ?
You do realize that 'after February 2015' could also mean the year 2100?  :D
I guess we should just be patient, although an update would be nice. It is better to wait and get a proper forum than some half baked one.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Xialla on May 27, 2015, 10:23:15 PM
any news when this forum will launch? before 2020  ::) ?

"Slickage = unknown startup which doesn't even have a website on its own. 4 developers, $375k per year per developer."

maybe the Slickage guys and themos are good friends and share some money...? honestly: it is a little bit strange to choose an unknown startup and give them so much money. there are better companies for that job.

it is his decision, but I agree with you on this..

~10 minutes back, I didn't even know, that something called Slickage from Honolulu exists.) website is empty, copyright from 2014, twitter with 90 followers and 4devs on github - 100k$ income each month. I didn't find any reference or realized projects...nothing.

well, maybe I'm just wrong at it will be amazed by new forum, but for now, I'm gently said little bit skeptical..


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: ajareselde on May 27, 2015, 11:00:00 PM
it is his decision, but I agree with you on this..
~10 minutes back, I didn't even know, that something called Slickage from Honolulu exists.) website is empty, copyright from 2014, twitter with 90 followers and 4devs on github - 100k$ income each month. I didn't find any reference or realized projects...nothing.
well, maybe I'm just wrong at it will be amazed by new forum, but for now, I'm gently said little bit skeptical..

I agree with you. Although it's not up to us, i think the funds could have been much better spent (or saved, for that matter)
If it was someone else who paid that sum of forum money to unknown company, there would be hell raised with accusations. Sure hope they know what they're doing.
cheers


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: iopq on May 27, 2015, 11:28:48 PM
Why not? Bitcoin is centered around open source software. Should satoshi have charged people to use bitcoin? Not everything has to have capitalistic motives as well, though if theymos wanted to make more money surely he would have planned to charge people to use the software?

You're correct. Open source software is great. However Satoshi didn't pay a development team $1,500,000 to create the bitcoin network & software. There's a big difference in those comparisons. Capitalistic motives aren't necessary, why not keep the software unique to this forum & don't allow others the chance to reap the rewards of a one and a half million dollar software package?



I don't know why anyone would pay this much to use forum software. Maybe in the future companies or organizations wont have to pay anything because of open source software like this one. That's the true beauty of it. 

Because they are companies and need massive control and functionality on their websites, and Lithium is the only software on the market right now that offers the extensive functionality that these companies require. People think vBulletin is functional and customizable... well I suggest you take a look at some of the moderation and administration tools on Lithium... simply flawless!

There has been more than $1,500,000 in developer hours/effort put into bitcoin already, the only difference is not all of those people got paid for their contributions

Anyone know how much has been spent on BTC development?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: micky123 on May 28, 2015, 05:47:55 AM
Damn,

During this recent downtime i was hoping that theymos would throw a surprise and unveil the long awaited new forum software. I was hoping the "hack" was a cover to spring us a nice little surprise.  :D

The new forum software looks like its taking a long time to develop, hope things are on track. I have no right to question, especially since i did not donate anything toward the development of the new forum software, but it would be nice to have an update as to when it will go live. A ballpark figure would do just fine, imo. I would really like an option where i can un-subscribe from a thread that i would no longer wish to follow. I haven't seen such an option or maybe one of you folks can guide me on how i could do so with the existing forum software :).


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: erre on May 28, 2015, 06:05:10 AM
I'm pretty sure that after the new forum is published it is going to be cracked in five minutes, and then I will need to change my password again.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Xialla on May 28, 2015, 08:21:13 AM
I'm pretty sure that after the new forum is published it is going to be cracked in five minutes, and then I will need to change my password again.

with this size of project and budget, you can order penetration testing or ethical hackers..


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: erre on May 28, 2015, 01:12:42 PM
I'm pretty sure that after the new forum is published it is going to be cracked in five minutes, and then I will need to change my password again.

with this size of project and budget, you can order penetration testing or ethical hackers..

I am a little afraid that not all the budget was spent in the best possible way.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Xialla on May 28, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
I am a little afraid that not all the budget was spent in the best possible way.

you know, I didn't invest single penny to this forum, so I just can post opinions based on experience with IT projects like I posted above. Nothing less, nothing more...generally, I'm happy, that platform like bitcointalk even exists, I learned lot of stuff here.

I think that everybody will decide by himself how smart is this step is (invest this amount of money to some no-name startup from hawaii without single reference project) and what can be behind..don't want to add anything else and fire another shots. let's just hope, that it will worth at least 20% of invested budget, which is for something like "community non-profit forum" totally beyond my imagination..


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: cryptopaths on May 28, 2015, 09:03:06 PM
Damn,

During this recent downtime i was hoping that theymos would throw a surprise and unveil the long awaited new forum software. I was hoping the "hack" was a cover to spring us a nice little surprise.  :D

The new forum software looks like its taking a long time to develop, hope things are on track. I have no right to question, especially since i did not donate anything toward the development of the new forum software, but it would be nice to have an update as to when it will go live. A ballpark figure would do just fine, imo. I would really like an option where i can un-subscribe from a thread that i would no longer wish to follow. I haven't seen such an option or maybe one of you folks can guide me on how i could do so with the existing forum software :).

That's quite optimistic of you especially in the bitcoin space. When a hack happens in bitcoin, news of "lost" coins usually follows. Just be happy bitcointalk didn't get Goxed.... well I guess it sort of did.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: redsn0w on May 29, 2015, 05:25:33 AM
Damn,

During this recent downtime i was hoping that theymos would throw a surprise and unveil the long awaited new forum software. I was hoping the "hack" was a cover to spring us a nice little surprise.  :D

The new forum software looks like its taking a long time to develop, hope things are on track. I have no right to question, especially since i did not donate anything toward the development of the new forum software, but it would be nice to have an update as to when it will go live. A ballpark figure would do just fine, imo. I would really like an option where i can un-subscribe from a thread that i would no longer wish to follow. I haven't seen such an option or maybe one of you folks can guide me on how i could do so with the existing forum software :).

That's quite optimistic of you especially in the bitcoin space. When a hack happens in bitcoin, news of "lost" coins usually follows. Just be happy bitcointalk didn't get Goxed.... well I guess it sort of did.

Why should bitcointalk be goxed? I think that no private keys of btc address are stored in the server, and the attacker was searching only the access data of all the forum users (probably to make another attack on the various exchange because all we know that a lot of users are using the same password in the various sites).


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: AT101ET on May 29, 2015, 08:37:19 AM
Damn,

During this recent downtime i was hoping that theymos would throw a surprise and unveil the long awaited new forum software. I was hoping the "hack" was a cover to spring us a nice little surprise.  :D

The new forum software looks like its taking a long time to develop, hope things are on track. I have no right to question, especially since i did not donate anything toward the development of the new forum software, but it would be nice to have an update as to when it will go live. A ballpark figure would do just fine, imo. I would really like an option where i can un-subscribe from a thread that i would no longer wish to follow. I haven't seen such an option or maybe one of you folks can guide me on how i could do so with the existing forum software :).

I think most of us would prefer to wait a little longer even after the expected release to ensure that everything runs smoothly and works fine.
I actually think that especially now with the recent hack, more time should be spent on preventing such attacks. Maybe enabling 2FA would prevent the incentive of hacking the forum (if that's what was driving the hackers).
There are some options to edit your subscriptions. I can't remember exactly where it was but you can find it by playing around with the links on the side of your profile where you can edit preferences and those kind of things.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on May 29, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
Damn,

During this recent downtime i was hoping that theymos would throw a surprise and unveil the long awaited new forum software. I was hoping the "hack" was a cover to spring us a nice little surprise.  :D

The new forum software looks like its taking a long time to develop, hope things are on track. I have no right to question, especially since i did not donate anything toward the development of the new forum software, but it would be nice to have an update as to when it will go live. A ballpark figure would do just fine, imo. I would really like an option where i can un-subscribe from a thread that i would no longer wish to follow. I haven't seen such an option or maybe one of you folks can guide me on how i could do so with the existing forum software :).

I think most of us would prefer to wait a little longer even after the expected release to ensure that everything runs smoothly and works fine.
I actually think that especially now with the recent hack, more time should be spent on preventing such attacks. Maybe enabling 2FA would prevent the incentive of hacking the forum (if that's what was driving the hackers).
There are some options to edit your subscriptions. I can't remember exactly where it was but you can find it by playing around with the links on the side of your profile where you can edit preferences and those kind of things.

You do realize that you can have the most expensive bullet proof forum software in the world and you're still fucked if your service provider is an unprotected piece of shit. Root access pretty much allows you to do anything you want and you get root access by having an admin user/pass. This new forum software won't fix that problem and it's not supposed to fix it. What it will do is provide tools to make it easier to administer/moderate the forum and have a bunch of new bells and whistles for the wow factor.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Jeremycoin on May 29, 2015, 06:09:17 PM
Woah.. theymos has so much Bitcoin, maybe he uses it for maintaining this site and maybe for developing something ;D


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: kilter71 on May 29, 2015, 08:39:44 PM
Is $1.5 million for a website a legitimate price?  It seems extremely pricy to me, who has literally no experience in website design.  I mean, unless it's like a site for Microsoft or something I can't imagine spending that much for a website.

Also, $100,000 a month to a company that no one really knows anything about?  It just seems strange, to myself, a total outsider.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: redsn0w on May 30, 2015, 07:53:14 AM
Is $1.5 million for a website a legitimate price?  It seems extremely pricy to me, who has literally no experience in website design.  I mean, unless it's like a site for Microsoft or something I can't imagine spending that much for a website.

Also, $100,000 a month to a company that no one really knows anything about?  It just seems strange, to myself, a total outsider.

You should split those 1'500'000 dollars to all the slickage team (~10 person) and you will see that it is not a lot of money ... ~150'000 dollars to each component of the team for a 1-2 years of work (and maybe they will receive more money, who knows?).


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: Rampion on June 01, 2015, 11:18:24 AM
Is $1.5 million for a website a legitimate price?  It seems extremely pricy to me, who has literally no experience in website design.  I mean, unless it's like a site for Microsoft or something I can't imagine spending that much for a website.

Also, $100,000 a month to a company that no one really knows anything about?  It just seems strange, to myself, a total outsider.

You should split those 1'500'000 dollars to all the slickage team (~10 person) and you will see that it is not a lot of money ... ~150'000 dollars to each component of the team for a 1-2 years of work (and maybe they will receive more money, who knows?).

10 persons? AFAIK they are just 4 developers and they were supposed to complete the job in 1 year - so you could bet they will charge more for a 2 years job.

Furthermore, could anyone show us a track record for Slickage? Any previous work done by its founders?


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: sdp on June 01, 2015, 01:25:17 PM
The amount of $150,000 is a lot of money for a lot of people even over two years.

If it isn't a lot for you please send me a days worth (about 0.8 BTC) to 1H3p46n45ZrzY27rNznzGWvQjefYXHgLsC.

sdp


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: deepceleron on June 02, 2015, 07:43:46 AM
Is $1.5 million for a website a legitimate price?  It seems extremely pricy to me, who has literally no experience in website design.  I mean, unless it's like a site for Microsoft or something I can't imagine spending that much for a website.

Also, $100,000 a month to a company that no one really knows anything about?  It just seems strange, to myself, a total outsider.

There are businesses that have a valuation of multi-billions based on their website software. How much do you think Facebook, Google, Yahoo, or Twitter would be worth if they weren't spending tens to hundreds of millions on development costs per year?

These companies also contribute open source back to the world. Look at the Bootstrap framework (Twitter), Apache Storm (Twitter), Hadoop (Yahoo), Go language (Google), MapReduce (Google), React (Facebook). The mentioned software components are all merely components of a "site", and all have an incredibly large price tag if you look at the developer hours. Imagine the future where the go-to open-source forum software for the web was paid for with Bitcoin, and beat every commercial offering out there.

This is programming, it is not simply a web site just because you are looking at it in your browser. You might also ask yourself why it would cost over $1.5 million to make a word processor, but for Microsoft, that's a billion dollar business.

I was at a Fortune 500 company that decided to outsource a scheduling & timecard budget system. Of course done in India, and they decided to abort it after half a million had been spent. Qualified developers that can see a project through cost more than Indians who program like they read tech support scripts.

I think everybody should just be quiet with their opinions about the web site software anyway. The forum is not run by committee, is not beholden to anyone to be anything other than what it is when it is, and the operator is spending its money on operating and improving the site, the original purpose of donations.


Title: Re: What did theymos do with 200K?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on June 02, 2015, 03:04:51 PM
Is $1.5 million for a website a legitimate price?  It seems extremely pricy to me, who has literally no experience in website design.  I mean, unless it's like a site for Microsoft or something I can't imagine spending that much for a website.

Also, $100,000 a month to a company that no one really knows anything about?  It just seems strange, to myself, a total outsider.

There are businesses that have a valuation of multi-billions based on their website software. How much do you think Facebook, Google, Yahoo, or Twitter would be worth if they weren't spending tens to hundreds of millions on development costs per year?

These companies also contribute open source back to the world. Look at the Bootstrap framework (Twitter), Apache Storm (Twitter), Hadoop (Yahoo), Go language (Google), MapReduce (Google), React (Facebook). The mentioned software components are all merely components of a "site", and all have an incredibly large price tag if you look at the developer hours. Imagine the future where the go-to open-source forum software for the web was paid for with Bitcoin, and beat every commercial offering out there.

This is programming, it is not simply a web site just because you are looking at it in your browser. You might also ask yourself why it would cost over $1.5 million to make a word processor, but for Microsoft, that's a billion dollar business.

I was at a Fortune 500 company that decided to outsource a scheduling & timecard budget system. Of course done in India, and they decided to abort it after half a million had been spent. Qualified developers that can see a project through cost more than Indians who program like they read tech support scripts.

I think everybody should just be quiet with their opinions about the web site software anyway. The forum is not run by committee, is not beholden to anyone to be anything other than what it is when it is, and the operator is spending its money on operating and improving the site, the original purpose of donations.

I don't think it matters much how great or how banal the software ends up being no one of any import uses this place anymore. I myself only come here to troll and fuck with people. If I truly want to learn something new that's happening to Bitcoin I either go to Goat's forum or Reddit. Even you don't come here anymore.

To quote your first post after a three month absence:
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Thanks. One of the reasons I have not been active here recently is, besides that I've said most of what needs to be said (x3200 posts), there is no participation here from intelligent people any more, just spam scams and get rich alt coin schemes. Any legitimate service would be wise to steer clear of rewarding those who would destroy their own currency's forum for profit, and the ultimate solution was given nine months ago in post #1.