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How can the following be true when it's been proven that he doesn't have a license to practice law in the state of Washington? http://lawyers.legalhelpmate.com/WA-Lawyer-Patrick-Murck-909178.aspx

Where was that proven, Phinn?

You should take a deep breath and slow down a bit. Maybe grab a couple beers, smoke a cigar, relax a bit...

On that page is a "law dictionary" and the two terms defined were "alter ego" and "corporate opportunity". I now need to pick myself up after ROFLMAO!


BB.

Didn't someone say he was licensed in the District of Columbia, not the state of Washington?

Taken from that same page, on the tab that says "Qualification" at the bottom

That is correct. The state of Washington does not recognize him as one that can legally practice law is said state.

Also, why was this page changed?

From: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DKU0RjNXYu4J:www.avvo.com/attorneys/98117-wa-patrick-murck-1805177.html+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

To: http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/patrick-murck-1805177.html

The former, dated July 23, 2011, clearly shows him practicing law in Seattle, whereupon the later, changed within the past week, excludes that relative information.

Call me a nut, if you will, but as some other member here was so kind to point out, we have the classic case of the fox guarding the hen house (paraphrased).

~Bruno~

Does that mean that he can safely practice that form of law in any of the 50 states? And why was it that the first time this was brought to light, those close to him tried to refute the same claim?

Perhaps, if Patrick A. Murck would be so kind as to offer up proof to this community that he's in capacity to practice said law in the state of Washingtion, we can get pass this issue.

I, personally, what to know what is his relationship to William W. Murck, who also is a lawyer practicing from the same Washington, D.C. address.

I will refrain from making the connection to Kevin Lim, aka Zhou Tong (or is it versa visa?), until this point has been addressed.

~Bruno~

I hope that connection is better than the last 3 or 4 you presented us.

Bruno, take a couple of days off this weekend and go do something totally unrelated to Bitcoin and the Bitcoinica drama.  You're not doing your own mental health any good trying to find evidence of some grand Bitcoinica conspiracy in which no-one is what they seem.  If there's evidence to be found, it will still be there in a couple of days.

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Gotta forgive him.... he need mental bills from internet.

What a lonely 52 yrs old human.

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Chances are Avvo got his address from one of the jurisdictions where he's licensed. An attorney can be licensed in one jurisdiction and live in another.

Actually practicing law in a jurisdiction where one isn't licensed is dicier. However, the definition of "practicing law" can be slippery. Traditionally, an attorney licensed in any US jurisdiction can appear in any Federal court, or can work on federal matters such as patent (and perhaps FCC issues, I've never done FCC work and don't know what's common with that). To practice within a state or appear in state courts, the attorney would need to be licensed in that state, or be admitted pro hac vice and appear together with a locally licensed attorney.

If an attorney is physically sitting in State X, talking on the phone to a client who's physically sitting in State Y, discussing a lawsuit to be filed in a state court in State Z . . . well, it's a mess. The safest thing would be for the attorney to be licensed in X, Y, and Z, though most people believe that being licensed in X and Z would be sufficient to protect the attorney from charges of practicing without a license, and just being licensed in X or Z is probably good enough, if the action to be filed in Z will be handled by locally licensed counsel.

Also, many states will allow an attorney who is licensed in some jurisdiction (DC is popular because their bar exam is comparatively easy and their yearly dues are comparatively low) to work in-house as corporate counsel in another jurisdiction, but the attorney cannot appear in court on behalf of the corporation, nor may they represent anyone other than the corporation.

In the modern world, where people do a lot of business electronically and the client and the attorney may never actually meet in person, it's not necessarily clear what the rules are. Historically, the definition of "the practice of law" which is forbidden to people not licensed in the jurisdiction has been left intentionally vague, and prosecutors/bar counsel use the vagueness to punish people they see as bad actors, and ignore people they see as virtuous. If you think that doesn't really sound like "law", well, I agree with you.

I don't know any of the Murcks, but my hunch is that the DC Murck is a family member of the WA Murck, who allowed the WA Murck to use his address (since WA Murck is licensed in DC) so that people on the Internet don't get all huffy about the WA address. From Google Maps, it looks like a residential address, so that's probably the guy's house, and it's perfectly possible he never even knew about/thought about Avvo, since they make pages for attorneys whether the attorneys want them or not. If the WA Murck is going to take on a public role in the Bitcoinica problem, he's probably not crazy about having his home address on the Internet.

It's pretty common for one attorney to share offices with another attorney who needs a local address to receive mail or meet with clients, since often clients prefer to be able to sit down with someone in an office close to them. I used to work with a guy who had 3 difference CA "offices" in different metropolitan areas, though he only paid rent for one of them - the other two were friends who had a reciprocal office-sharing agreement. This is unremarkable and not suspicious in the legal community.

Hey Forums, I am Patrick Murck,

I have clients in several states, but my firm is based out of Washington, DC. The type of work I do you could hire a firm anywhere to do: it's Federal law.  When something comes up that requires state law knowledge (in NY or WA, or wherever) that is contracted to someone licensed to practice there.

I cannot comment on any questions covered by Attorney-Client privilege, but if you'd like to ask me something, you can email me at patrick at engagelegal dot com.

What is your legal opinion on smoking reefer?

@Phinnaeus In every thread you post about an identity uncovering, they pile on gang bang you like clockwork, 1-2-3. WTF.
Who the fuck is Nemesis that as a newbie starts fucking with the regulars like he's part of the scene already.

Oh, shit...sockpupet! But who?  :-X

LOL

They fear that I'm getting too close to the truth, and what really bothers them is that they know that I have no fear of them. I've already given the crossroads of where I live in Sandwich, IL. A picture of my truck is on this forum and said truck is parked in my driveway. I am so easy to find, it's unreal. Anybody is welcome to stop by and confront Bruno anyway they choose. I don't own a gun, nor is there one easily at my disposal, as far as I know. They are welcome to bring whatever weapon they choose and have as many people with them to help complete any task they that may have in mind. Fair warning, though--I do have two lines of defense to protect myself. One, is my dog, of which I've posted an image of here many a times. The other, well I guess they will have to find that out for themselves. Although I don't take threats lightly, getting threaten does give me solace. It's been said that it's the silent types one should fear.

That said, expect more leaks, soon--by me. I'm not yet done with the Patrick Murck and Zhou Tong research, therefore will need to hold off on disclosing what else I've found.

Maybe I should take a couple days off and fully enjoy a long visit to myfreecams.com. Did you know that some of those girls have already been accepting Bitcoin? They get paid in blocks of 50 to their addresses and then let them set there, not cashing them out. Wait till you find out where that investigation leads. Hint: It involves another major hack(?) a while back that seems to be completely forgotten or, dare I say, brush under Rassah's coffee table (does not concern Rassah), and I'm not talking about MyBitCoin, although there may be a connection, but I've yet to make it. All the same, it'll be a breakthrough nonetheless. The reason for holding back is that I either need to present a more convincing argument with my current investigations or be prepared to give everybody here BlowBobs due to my incompetence. Please, Jehovah, let it be the former.

Once I've completed my current investigations, I'll proceed with the one I've just outlined above. Perhaps, by then, my ignore count will be lowered to, I don't know, maybe zero?

To all other concerns, feel free to continue emailing me. I enjoy the reads.

~Bruno~

My I ask what your day job is?

I'm not sure who you're asking this of, Andrew, but I'll answer it nonetheless.

I'm an independent reclaimed lumber supplier, buying and selling mainly century-old barn wood around the Chicagoland area.

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

Nice.... Sounds like fun........ Not many people can say they really enjoy their job.... I can't I am suicidal until my shift is over....




Have nice day, Keep up the good work  :P

You fuckin' with me?  ;)

Later, bud.

~Bruno~

whois Kevin Day  :)

He's the guy involved in a last Mt. Gox hack where Mt Gox sent a mess of coins to the wrong person, then wanted them back, but I believe Kevin Boy kept them. It wasn't a big story, for the thread was only read over 100,000 times, then quiet went away.

Now, before everybody goes nuts and think that this is the same Kevin as the one I claim is pulling the strings for ZT, you are wrong, I think, for I've yet to make that absolute connection.

Back to Patrick Boy.

Since you've stated that you're able to practice federal law in all 50 states, under which federal judge are you currently presenting your evidence to in regard to Bitcoinica and are able to control the ill-gotten loot? I'm not a lawyer, but I play one when I Google Fu, and it's come to my attention that Patrick A. Murck cannot represent anybody in any State court if practicing federal law, let alone an online court.

Speaking of online entities, the only place I see that the word federal is associated with your name is here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iWnqTxN9zXUJ:foreclosure.avvo.com/attorneys/98117-wa-patrick-murck-1805177.html+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Federal Communications Bar Association (http://www.fcba.org/)

The only reference to you there is being a Gold Member to some charity group.

Correct me if this next question is off-base: Can you show the community your federal certificate to practice law? I don't believe there should be anything private on it, for it's the same one hanging on your office lobby's wall.

Take note, community, for Bruno Boy is sticking it up some FBI agent's ass--without fear!

~Bruno~

I think there are bigger fish to fry :)

Hey Bruno, you have been doing a lot of useful investigation here but sometimes it feels like you are barking up the wrong tree (no pun intended). To me it seems like Patrick Murck is one of the good guys...

Have you found out anything about this Chen Jianhai guy? Is he real? What is his webshop etc? It might be hard to investigate since he probably writes mostly in Chinese. But a millionaire relic collector must leave some footprints on the Internets no?

This is the closest I got: http://www.facebook.com/pages/A-Tribute-to-Chen-Fake/351727575313

The same Chen Fake mentioned on the Zhou Tong Wikipedia page, along with a mention of our ZT's once(?) girlfriend's name.

~Bruno~

If you want that guy d0xed and he's "real" which at this point is highly doubtful get Zhou to post his full name in Chinese using the correct simplified characters, going by pinying alone is like like looking for a needle in a haystack.

Chen Jian Hai
http://www.plumpub.com/sales/chinese/chinbks_trad17TC.htm

Tong Zhou
http://www.plumpub.com/sales/vcd4/coll_WDtaihe.htm

Tong Zhou + A kicking skill that includes Duck Kicks
http://www.plumpub.com/kaimen/2003/chuo-jiao-boxing/

Yep, that matches with the mental image I had of Chen. Must be the guy.

Looks like it is going to be hard to retrieve the stolen funds. First off - he probably converted all the bitcoins into ancient relics that are likely booby-trapped and heavily guarded in his secret lair. Obviously the guy has some mad kung-fu skills as well. This one is gonna be tough... I better start practicing my crane kick move. It is the only way.

Yeah, while you are at it can you find out who is John Galt?

Most likely a typo. DC is sometimes called Washington DC. I have no idea how much we had when we made that decision.

I went to school with a John Galt.  He lives in Indianapolis, Indiana now.

Patrick's middle name is Armstrong. One name that his wife uses has Armstrong as her last name and works at his father's firm in D.C. according to Linkedin and other sources.

Why am I so hung up on Patrick Armstrong Murck?

Doesn't anybody else find it odd that he was recruited as the liaison to get the funds stolen from Mt Gox and have them now reside back into Mt Gox, and now wanting for an unnamed liquidator to disperse the funds?

~Bruno~