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Title: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: ndnh on March 19, 2015, 06:41:38 AM
Please proceed to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0 to stake your address.




How: Sign a message after quoting the two persons immediately above you.  (Carefully remove the quote of the third person, to avoid it going too long later.)

Why? Very useful to prove ownership of your account, for security, trust, and similar reasons.
Esp. To get your account restored in case it get hacked.

Signing the message should contain : Date, and your account name.



https://brainwallet.github.io/#verify



Standard format for this thread:

Example:


Code:
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015

or

Code:
This address was owned by Josef27 @bitcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369756

Signed on: 19/03/2015, Thursday


Title: Re: Sign messages and Quote - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: ndnh on March 19, 2015, 06:41:53 AM
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1At8KjNtUyAhWdUuNrZyUsCVQCFqcuY68m
G9cDOsqYCh/IAi0bS6ctbPs78Toh0OdaX+CSUsc/zT2jU2TQ7Ox/49kFwZ5hbTakEf+Sr6efPcLsdG8obl4ai+w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


Title: Re: Sign messages and Quote - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Gisado on March 19, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1At8KjNtUyAhWdUuNrZyUsCVQCFqcuY68m
G9cDOsqYCh/IAi0bS6ctbPs78Toh0OdaX+CSUsc/zT2jU2TQ7Ox/49kFwZ5hbTakEf+Sr6efPcLsdG8obl4ai+w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by Gisado on bitcointalk, 2015-03-19 (KST, UTC+9)
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1GiSadoJDr6CphnmSfiAL7KXL1B3R5nnkL

HFozUm62NybXxoCOe0dQIgAcgFUDyONxBrYs1QSz+pwjD08PZtsbYlfsKzpzPiR9a4hx5Ao03OdEjhHMK4NvaXk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Josef27 on March 19, 2015, 10:02:50 AM
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1At8KjNtUyAhWdUuNrZyUsCVQCFqcuY68m
G9cDOsqYCh/IAi0bS6ctbPs78Toh0OdaX+CSUsc/zT2jU2TQ7Ox/49kFwZ5hbTakEf+Sr6efPcLsdG8obl4ai+w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by Gisado on bitcointalk, 2015-03-19 (KST, UTC+9)
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1GiSadoJDr6CphnmSfiAL7KXL1B3R5nnkL

HFozUm62NybXxoCOe0dQIgAcgFUDyONxBrYs1QSz+pwjD08PZtsbYlfsKzpzPiR9a4hx5Ao03OdEjhHMK4NvaXk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This address was owned by Josef27 @bitcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369756

Signed on: 19/03/2015, Thursday
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Josefnjhis1NS5XPTvZh4cuoJK2nPKvru
G2TwMhFrcQaEZzAqAkZnHUU7sABy/Trxqw8FhZkNq58mMMWNn3VWoRL1NVz+oihn38GWiu0dmAJ2L2ctG7PomgU=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Welsh on March 19, 2015, 03:40:31 PM
There's another thread with this sort of thing, although it was made after your thread, it might be better just to use that thread as it has much more replies, and saves from people posting in both of them and having them run along side each other later down the line:  Stake your Bitcoin address here  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0) - Started by Tomatocage (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37522)


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Quickseller on March 19, 2015, 03:45:16 PM
I have a question. What would happen if the person who quotes my signed message happens to hack my account? Couldn't they simply change both my post and the post they used to quote my signed message?

I think it would probably be better to have a thread setup by an admin that has a specific message that needs to be signed and uses custom settings so that posts cannot be edited or deleted (similar to the auction sub forum)


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: arallmuus on March 19, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
I have a question. What would happen if the person who quotes my signed message happens to hack my account? Couldn't they simply change both my post and the post they used to quote my signed message?

I think it would probably be better to have a thread setup by an admin that has a specific message that needs to be signed and uses custom settings so that posts cannot be edited or deleted (similar to the auction sub forum)

yes it could be happen and actually this could be countered if someone actually make an archive of the address that have been posted in the thread here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0) and here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996157.0)

it would be best if mod could merge both of them together as they have the same intention


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 19, 2015, 04:10:19 PM
it would be best if mod could merge both of them together as they have the same intention

SMF has no merge features* and honestly, there wasn't need of this post as there was already one. This should be either moved to Trashcan or Archival.

* Said by SaltySpitoon


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: arallmuus on March 19, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
SMF has no merge features* and honestly, there wasn't need of this post as there was already one. This should be either moved to Trashcan or Archival.

* Said by SaltySpitoon

wasnt aware that there is no merge option here



Ndnhc's thread   
Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Today at 06:41:38 AM


Tomatocage's thread
Stake your Bitcoin address here
Today at 09:32:41 AM


Ndnhc seems to be created this topic first but since it was missplaced in services section and people wasnt aware of it
On the other hands, TomatoCage's thread got a lot more replies, locking it would be a waste


EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: ndnh on March 19, 2015, 04:28:12 PM
I have a question. What would happen if the person who quotes my signed message happens to hack my account? Couldn't they simply change both my post and the post they used to quote my signed message?

I think it would probably be better to have a thread setup by an admin that has a specific message that needs to be signed and uses custom settings so that posts cannot be edited or deleted (similar to the auction sub forum)

Well, that is why it is to be quoted twice by two users.

I also mentioned to sign the message so that someone doesn't accidentally post a bitcoin address that cannot be signed.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Vod on March 20, 2015, 05:42:52 AM
Well, that is why it is to be quoted twice by two users.

If someone were to run a scam, it would be trivial to use two accounts to quote a bitcoin address.  Once that account was hacked, both quoted replies could be modified.

This idea will only work if it's in a forum that doesn't allow editing (like Auctions).


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: ndnh on March 20, 2015, 05:45:07 AM
Well, that is why it is to be quoted twice by two users.

If someone were to run a scam, it would be trivial to use two accounts to quote a bitcoin address.  Once that account was hacked, both quoted replies could be modified.

This idea will only work if it's in a forum that doesn't allow editing (like Auctions).

Yeah, that is a very good idea. :D

Should I lock this thread, since there is already another thread?

Or should I move it to a board which doesn't allow editing? (Is it allowed?)
(how about collecting signed addresses, once it reaches say 10 pages, move to Auctions or similar board, and lock it forever?)


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 20, 2015, 05:50:25 AM
Yeah, that is a very good idea. :D

Should I lock this thread, since there is already another thread?

I think yes.

Or should I move it to a board which doesn't allow editing? (Is it allowed?)

It will be off-topic.

(how about collecting signed addresses, once it reaches say 10 pages, move to Auctions or similar board, and lock it forever?)

It will be off-topic but if moderator says okay, you can do it. :)


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: Vod on March 20, 2015, 05:51:14 AM
Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

I PMed my bitcoin address to DefaultTrust some time ago.  That is all Theymos needs to verify it's me.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 20, 2015, 06:01:05 AM
Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

I PMed my bitcoin address to DefaultTrust some time ago.  That is all Theymos needs to verify it's me.

Right. theymos has said to give PM ID of the message, do you know how to find it? Have you wrote it down? A PM ID isn't needed for theymos as he can check others PMs but adding this will reduce his work and hence, faster recovery.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 20, 2015, 08:01:33 AM
Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

I PMed my bitcoin address to DefaultTrust some time ago.  That is all Theymos needs to verify it's me.

Right. theymos has said to give message PM ID, do you know how to find it? Have you wrote it down? A PM ID isn't needed for theymos as he can check others PMs but adding this will reduce his work and hence, faster recovery.

I did it also, long time ago. Posting here and there (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0) could simply be seen as a form of backup, however.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1At8KjNtUyAhWdUuNrZyUsCVQCFqcuY68m
G9cDOsqYCh/IAi0bS6ctbPs78Toh0OdaX+CSUsc/zT2jU2TQ7Ox/49kFwZ5hbTakEf+Sr6efPcLsdG8obl4ai+w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by Gisado on bitcointalk, 2015-03-19 (KST, UTC+9)
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1GiSadoJDr6CphnmSfiAL7KXL1B3R5nnkL

HFozUm62NybXxoCOe0dQIgAcgFUDyONxBrYs1QSz+pwjD08PZtsbYlfsKzpzPiR9a4hx5Ao03OdEjhHMK4NvaXk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This address was owned by Josef27 @bitcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369756

Signed on: 19/03/2015, Thursday
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Josefnjhis1NS5XPTvZh4cuoJK2nPKvru
G2TwMhFrcQaEZzAqAkZnHUU7sABy/Trxqw8FhZkNq58mMMWNn3VWoRL1NVz+oihn38GWiu0dmAJ2L2ctG7PomgU=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Quoted! The following is mine.

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This address is owned by Grand_Voyageur, bitcointalk profile :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=374000


Signed on: March 20th, 2015, Friday
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1ABM4BtsVA6s9J8kDkBULCQ2iD3e9r3uAK
IHI9wPWSX3qvmrPiHSILN61aek3sKetZBT2rvCOdXstj32y9Z2wdvQo8XMLtHFifHeoS5Zc69RzAQCOd5aYoLOc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: abyrnes81 on March 20, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

I PMed my bitcoin address to DefaultTrust some time ago.  That is all Theymos needs to verify it's me.

Right. theymos has said to give message PM ID, do you know how to find it? Have you wrote it down? A PM ID isn't needed for theymos as he can check others PMs but adding this will reduce his work and hence, faster recovery.

I did it also, long time ago. Posting here and there (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0) could simply be seen as a form of backup, however.

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by ndnhc on 19 March, 2015
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1At8KjNtUyAhWdUuNrZyUsCVQCFqcuY68m
G9cDOsqYCh/IAi0bS6ctbPs78Toh0OdaX+CSUsc/zT2jU2TQ7Ox/49kFwZ5hbTakEf+Sr6efPcLsdG8obl4ai+w=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Signed by Gisado on bitcointalk, 2015-03-19 (KST, UTC+9)
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----
Version: Bitcoin-qt (1.0)
Address: 1GiSadoJDr6CphnmSfiAL7KXL1B3R5nnkL

HFozUm62NybXxoCOe0dQIgAcgFUDyONxBrYs1QSz+pwjD08PZtsbYlfsKzpzPiR9a4hx5Ao03OdEjhHMK4NvaXk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNATURE-----

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This address was owned by Josef27 @bitcointalk.org
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=369756

Signed on: 19/03/2015, Thursday
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Josefnjhis1NS5XPTvZh4cuoJK2nPKvru
G2TwMhFrcQaEZzAqAkZnHUU7sABy/Trxqw8FhZkNq58mMMWNn3VWoRL1NVz+oihn38GWiu0dmAJ2L2ctG7PomgU=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Quoted! The following is mine.

Code:
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
This address is owned by Grand_Voyageur, bitcointalk profile :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=374000


Signed on: March 20th, 2015, Friday
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1ABM4BtsVA6s9J8kDkBULCQ2iD3e9r3uAK
IHI9wPWSX3qvmrPiHSILN61aek3sKetZBT2rvCOdXstj32y9Z2wdvQo8XMLtHFifHeoS5Zc69RzAQCOd5aYoLOc=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Witnessed.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Superhitech on March 20, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
SMF has no merge features* and honestly, there wasn't need of this post as there was already one. This should be either moved to Trashcan or Archival.

* Said by SaltySpitoon

wasnt aware that there is no merge option here



Ndnhc's thread   
Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Today at 06:41:38 AM


Tomatocage's thread
Stake your Bitcoin address here
Today at 09:32:41 AM


Ndnhc seems to be created this topic first but since it was missplaced in services section and people wasnt aware of it
On the other hands, TomatoCage's thread got a lot more replies, locking it would be a waste


EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this

No merge feature? Badbear merged my threads once, so there must be a merge feature. Maybe merging is only available to admins?


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: ndnh on March 20, 2015, 05:02:52 PM
EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this

Nope, not going to. I will wait till it either gets to 10 pages or this thread is inactive for 2 days, I will move this to Auction probably and anyway, lock it forever.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: Blazed on March 20, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this

Nope, not going to. I will wait till it either gets to 10 pages or this thread is inactive for 2 days, I will move this to Auction probably and anyway, lock it forever.

Moving this to the auction board does not help if your account is compromised. You can move it to somewhere else -> edit -> move it back. I do think that the forum needs to provide a special thread for this very thing though...that can only be edited by admins.


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Mutual Service exchange.
Post by: ndnh on March 20, 2015, 05:39:10 PM
EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this

Nope, not going to. I will wait till it either gets to 10 pages or this thread is inactive for 2 days, I will move this to Auction probably and anyway, lock it forever.

Moving this to the auction board does not help if your account is compromised. You can move it to somewhere else -> edit -> move it back. I do think that the forum needs to provide a special thread for this very thing though...that can only be edited by admins.

That is possible only if, I hacked the account (logically speaking, I don't have the expertise to do it), and those 2 quoted members are my alts and I hacked the account quoted by my alts?

If I move, lock, relock etc, won't it be noticed or something?


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 20, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
SMF has no merge features* and honestly, there wasn't need of this post as there was already one. This should be either moved to Trashcan or Archival.

* Said by SaltySpitoon
wasnt aware that there is no merge option here
 =snip=
No merge feature? Badbear merged my threads once, so there must be a merge feature. Maybe merging is only available to admins?

It isn't available in SMF. AFAIK it can be done by moving certain posts to other threads but it can't be done in a *click*.

Sadly, SMF has no merging features. I understand what they are going through, and their posts are constructive and not something that the moderators want to delete, however the thread creation is spam, so we have started locking/merging his threads linking through a single thread's OP.

EDIT : it seems like ndnhc is moving it to TC's thread and will be locking this

Nope, not going to. I will wait till it either gets to 10 pages or this thread is inactive for 2 days, I will move this to Auction probably and anyway, lock it forever.

Moving this to the auction board does not help if your account is compromised. You can move it to somewhere else -> edit -> move it back. I do think that the forum needs to provide a special thread for this very thing though...that can only be edited by admins.

Sending a PM to DefaultTrust is enough for recovering but it can only be seen by Admins.

Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

I PMed my bitcoin address to DefaultTrust some time ago.  That is all Theymos needs to verify it's me.



=snip= do you know how to find it? =snip=

Found that we can get message ID by going to 'Outbox' and then clicking/copying a message link from the list. What if the user doesn't save PMs sent in 'Outbox'? Is there any alternative to the method I said?


Title: Re: Sign your bitcoin address - Post, Quote and get quoted.
Post by: ndnh on May 24, 2016, 12:47:32 PM
It isn't available in SMF. AFAIK it can be done by moving certain posts to other threads but it can't be done in a *click*.

Sadly, SMF has no merging features. I understand what they are going through, and their posts are constructive and not something that the moderators want to delete, however the thread creation is spam, so we have started locking/merging his threads linking through a single thread's OP.

Yeah. It would be a complex feature implementation-wise. But I think it would be very useful feature in a few cases - say I want to merge two interlinked topics started by me. AFAIK not there in the new forum either.



Personally, I think both threads are useless due to the ability to edit.

Edits are visible. I don't any problem there.


OP updated to point to thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.0

Locked.