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Title: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: (oYo) on March 21, 2015, 11:24:31 AM

http://rt.com/usa/242733-tesla-models-autopilot-software-update/

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Seeing a Tesla is about to get a lot more wild, as the company is preparing to install its self-driving software in the Model S fleet. The autopilot feature will only work on highways... as the technology may not yet be legal in the US.

Tesla will roll out an auto-steering software update for the Model S in the next three or four months, and owners won’t even have to go into a Tesla store for the upgrade, founder Elon Musk said at a Thursday press conference.

READ MORE: ‘Personal roller coaster’: Tesla Motors unveils electric Model S that drives itself

Drivers will only be able to engage the autonomous system while on highways, despite having the technical ability to do a lot more.

"It is technically capable of going from parking lot to parking lot," Musk said. "But we won't be enabling that for users with this hardware suite, because we don't think it's likely to be safe in suburban neighborhoods," he continued, noting that such streets often lack posted speed limit signs and pose obstacles like children playing in the street.

“There’s certainly an expectation that when autopilot on the Model S is enabled, that you’re paying attention. But it should also take care of you if you have moments of distraction," the Tesla founder added.

The company has been testing the software mainly between San Francisco and Seattle.

“We’re pretty excited about the progress we’re making there,” Musk said. “We’re now almost able to travel all the way from San Francisco to Seattle without the driver touching any controls at all.”

Apparently there's some debate as to who would be responsible in the case of an accident, Tesla or the driver, but in my mind there is no debate, since Tesla would in fact be the driver.

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The driverless car technology also raises the question of liability in an accident, which may need to be decided by the courts, rather than by legislation.

“If it’s fully autonomous, who’s responsible if there’s a mistake? The driver or the company who made it?” Carl Tobias, a law professor at the University of Richmond, told the Times. “I don’t see how Tesla’s going to clear the hurdles. They may have to go to each state legislative body and convince them, and that takes time.”

YouTube videos:

Promotional video - Tesla CEO Elon Musk reveals Dual Motor All Wheel Drive Model S and Autopilot.
Tesla Unveils Dual Motor and Autopilot (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ6lZJWL_Xk)

This is a real world demonstration of the autopilot, even showing off its ability to deal with traffic lights.
Tesla Model S P85D Autopilot Demo Release 6.1  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcwObeGB_mU)




Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: criptix on March 21, 2015, 08:57:34 PM
Very exciting times ahead. Just yesterday i saw a documentation about self driving cars.
the concept cars of mercedes and bmw are pretty awesome too.
the first has a working software for driving in cities the latter has working software for driving on highways
( they showed live demonstration of the cars driving themself in the city and on highways)

Regarding law theres a hurdle though - atleast for europe - because legally the driver has to have 100% control over the car while driving


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: jaysabi on March 21, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: Vod on March 21, 2015, 09:42:39 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.

In a few years you may not have a choice.  A human driving might be considered too dangerous for other cars on the road.  Humans make too many mistakes.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 21, 2015, 09:48:04 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: Vod on March 21, 2015, 09:51:09 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)

Boo to electric!  (Posted selfishly by someone who has had their income affected by the low price of oil)   ;D


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 21, 2015, 09:57:01 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)

Boo to electric!  (Posted selfishly by someone who has had their income affected by the low price of oil)   ;D

I see were you come from but it is the way the market will move in the future. It will be a while until most of the cars on the road are electric like 10-20 years because of how long they last so at least for you there is a bright side. Oil will still be used in lots of things like plastics so it will not be completely useless once gas cars are gone.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 21, 2015, 10:57:16 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)

Boo to electric!  (Posted selfishly by someone who has had their income affected by the low price of oil)   ;D

I see were you come from but it is the way the market will move in the future. It will be a while until most of the cars on the road are electric like 10-20 years because of how long they last so at least for you there is a bright side. Oil will still be used in lots of things like plastics so it will not be completely useless once gas cars are gone.

I don't know about 10-20 years...

Oslo, Norway is leading the way. You can see cars with "EL" license plate everywhere, and there are so many of them, that there are talks of discontinuing the privilege given to the electric cars, such as use of commuter/bus field and free entry into the capital. And the chargers in central Oslo are almost on every corner.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Tesla.jpg/220px-Tesla.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 21, 2015, 11:10:56 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)

Boo to electric!  (Posted selfishly by someone who has had their income affected by the low price of oil)   ;D

I see were you come from but it is the way the market will move in the future. It will be a while until most of the cars on the road are electric like 10-20 years because of how long they last so at least for you there is a bright side. Oil will still be used in lots of things like plastics so it will not be completely useless once gas cars are gone.

I don't know about 10-20 years...

Oslo, Norway is leading the way. You can see cars with "EL" license plate everywhere, and there are so many of them, that there are talks of discontinuing the privilege given to the electric cars, such as use of commuter/bus field and free entry into the capital. And the chargers in central Oslo are almost on every corner.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Tesla.jpg/220px-Tesla.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway

Globally adoption will be far slower, Cars sold today in a lot of countries are mostly gas and cars are commonly used for 10+ years so I don't think my estimate was far off.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 21, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Actually I think that I probably won't own a car until most cars are driverless and electric, so it is good to see the tech coming to market so soon (so it will be really good when it is time for me to buy)

Boo to electric!  (Posted selfishly by someone who has had their income affected by the low price of oil)   ;D

I see were you come from but it is the way the market will move in the future. It will be a while until most of the cars on the road are electric like 10-20 years because of how long they last so at least for you there is a bright side. Oil will still be used in lots of things like plastics so it will not be completely useless once gas cars are gone.

I don't know about 10-20 years...

Oslo, Norway is leading the way. You can see cars with "EL" license plate everywhere, and there are so many of them, that there are talks of discontinuing the privilege given to the electric cars, such as use of commuter/bus field and free entry into the capital. And the chargers in central Oslo are almost on every corner.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Tesla.jpg/220px-Tesla.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicles_in_Norway

Globally adoption will be far slower, Cars sold today in a lot of countries are mostly gas and cars are commonly used for 10+ years so I don't think my estimate was far off.

In Norway, adoption simply exploded over the last 4 years. But you may be right. Norway, even though it's an oil producer, is a special isolated case. The global adoption may indeed go slower.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Registrations_EVs_Norway_2004_2013.png/300px-Registrations_EVs_Norway_2004_2013.png


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 22, 2015, 01:12:26 AM
Global adoption will be slower in places like china and india where there are a lot of cars and the income is not very high resulting in people keeping cars for a very long time.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: jaysabi on March 22, 2015, 05:41:13 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.

In a few years you may not have a choice.  A human driving might be considered too dangerous for other cars on the road.  Humans make too many mistakes.

A few decades, maybe, if we ever get to the point where the "choice" to drive is eliminated. I personally don't see that as likely.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: 9000 on March 22, 2015, 07:41:28 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.

It's not very different from riding the bus, or taking a taxi, instead of a person driving you have a computer.

I think this technology is great, but it will take quite a few years for it to become ubiquitous, and I want one now! :D


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 22, 2015, 08:31:11 PM
It will be cool when you could have you car drive people around and make money when you are not using it, there could be a  service like uber for them.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: coinits on March 22, 2015, 08:42:31 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.

In the fast-approaching 'Internet of Everything' World you will not have a choice.  Probably 20 years out. Driving a car by steering wheel will become as archaic as using a Vic 20 to game on.



Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: coinpr0n on March 22, 2015, 09:09:01 PM
This may be the best way to continue developing driverless cars. Tesla has small enough penetration, yet enough to get some important data points.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: TheButterZone on March 22, 2015, 10:26:50 PM
Can't even manage to drive a few minutes in the middle lane with cruise control set at 65MPH in light traffic without some assfuck swerving (turning without signaling) in front of me, and/or slamming their brakes for no good reason. Is the Tesla going to swerve into an open lane or hard brake when its lasers detect assfucks?


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 22, 2015, 10:54:09 PM
Can't even manage to drive a few minutes in the middle lane with cruise control set at 65MPH in light traffic without some assfuck swerving (turning without signaling) in front of me, and/or slamming their brakes for no good reason. Is the Tesla going to swerve into an open lane or hard brake when its lasers detect assfucks?

Hm... I know the feeling. Too many drivers consider signalling to be an optional feature... Having a miniature rocket launcher at the front may be an option.  :D


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: TheButterZone on March 23, 2015, 12:14:36 AM
Can't even manage to drive a few minutes in the middle lane with cruise control set at 65MPH in light traffic without some assfuck swerving (turning without signaling) in front of me, and/or slamming their brakes for no good reason. Is the Tesla going to swerve into an open lane or hard brake when its lasers detect assfucks?

Hm... I know the feeling. Too many drivers consider signalling to be an optional feature... Having a miniature rocket launcher at the front may be an option.  :D

I'd rather... TURBO BOOST!


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: (oYo) on March 23, 2015, 01:06:18 AM
Can't even manage to drive a few minutes in the middle lane with cruise control set at 65MPH in light traffic without some assfuck swerving (turning without signaling) in front of me, and/or slamming their brakes for no good reason. Is the Tesla going to swerve into an open lane or hard brake when its lasers detect assfucks?

Hm... I know the feeling. Too many drivers consider signalling to be an optional feature... Having a miniature rocket launcher at the front may be an option.  :D

I'd rather... TURBO BOOST!


A rocket launcher would leave too much dangerous debris on the road. I'd like to have a couple Romulan disruptors mounted on the front fenders to completely disintegrate anyone who won't get out of my way. :D

Personally I can't wait for autopilot for cars. I hate commuting and would prefer to sleep, read, play games, watch movies, eat, drink or even just take a shit, rather than have to drive in traffic everyday just to get to and from work. Driving isn't fun unless you're pushing the limits and for that you (legally) need be on a closed track, otherwise you're just being reckless by endangering innocent people's lives or at the very least property.



Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: ajareselde on March 23, 2015, 01:26:03 AM
Tesla once again pushing the technology forward into the world, which is awesome, but the driverless car is not something i want to have in any near future.
When they rolled out their electric cars, they did a giant step in getting customers the same comfort and performance of a standard engine, and the adoption is rising every year because its a logical step to make,
but to put security of passengers in hands of a machine; its still to early to do that on roads, and i doubt there will be any AI that will have the ability to predict illogical moves of other human drivers along the way.
If we were to have all cars controlled by AI, that would make much more sence, but to mix them with unpredictable drivers..im not so sure thats a smart idea.

cheers


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: (oYo) on March 23, 2015, 04:37:46 AM
Here's the Mercedes F 015 concept car. You can control it and tell it to pick you up with a smartphone app!  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqPfKt50zBI

http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/article_main_image/public/2/86//15c272_007.jpg?itok=QmEVQnFZ


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: alani123 on March 23, 2015, 04:41:34 AM
Here's the Mercedes F 015 concept car. You can control it and tell it to pick you up with a smartphone app!  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqPfKt50zBI

http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/article_main_image/public/2/86//15c272_007.jpg?itok=QmEVQnFZ

It's amazing to see how far this has come to. Google has supposedly managed to create autonomous car that are really reliable. It's really interesting to see all those concepts that could reshape the industry. I wonder how much it's going to take until the next generation of cars starts taking over.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: (oYo) on March 23, 2015, 05:39:21 AM
Here's the Mercedes F 015 concept car. You can control it and tell it to pick you up with a smartphone app!  8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqPfKt50zBI

http://cdn1.autoexpress.co.uk/sites/autoexpressuk/files/styles/article_main_image/public/2/86//15c272_007.jpg?itok=QmEVQnFZ

It's amazing to see how far this has come to. Google has supposedly managed to create autonomous car that are really reliable. It's really interesting to see all those concepts that could reshape the industry. I wonder how much it's going to take until the next generation of cars starts taking over.
I can't wait!

Not to be outdone, Audi has their own version as well.  :)
AUDI A7 Self Driving Car 550 Mile Roadtrip Las Vegas CES Audi Driverless Car CARJAM TV 4K 2015  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiiGmji0bFk)


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: (oYo) on March 23, 2015, 05:49:13 AM
Mercedes Self Driving Truck Driving Itself Mercedes Future Truck 2025 Commercial CARJAM TV 4K 2015  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZxZC0lgOlc)
After watching the above video and seeing how they portray the truck driver as leisurely sitting back, enjoying his ipad, the reality of it hit me. There wouldn't be any driver at all.

So, there is also a sort of social dilemma to consider here, since this technology will obviously present a problem for a lot of people. There sure are a lot of jobs that require driving. No longer required by industry, as the demand for 'drivers' falls to the wayside (pardon the pun), cab drivers, bus drivers, transport truck drivers, etc. will be flocking in droves to unemployment centers, almost overnight, wondering what they will do next to make ends meet.

http://corcodilos.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/not-hiring.jpg


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: coinpr0n on March 25, 2015, 11:45:55 PM
Sure I agree in this scenario a lot of jobs will be made obsolete. I suppose self-driving cars will be cheap, but not free. That money goes to the owner of the car I'm guessing? Leasing self-driving cars to use as taxis has got to be big business.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: jaysabi on March 28, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
I will never buy a self-driving car, because I like the act of driving too much. I don't understand the appeal to a car that drives itself. It takes all the joy out of cars.

In the fast-approaching 'Internet of Everything' World you will not have a choice.  Probably 20 years out. Driving a car by steering wheel will become as archaic as using a Vic 20 to game on.



I would bet serious money it will never be mandated in the US. People won't tolerate losing such an essential freedom. Besides, I can't see companies being able to handle the potential liability. Any accident would forever be the fault of the car company now. Plus, in order for such a system to work, there would need to be a massive database that monitors and controls all traffic and has access to every car's location and destination in order to pre-plot any potential problems with other cars. If it didn't, cars would only be able to react to their immediate surroundings, which would be chaotic and self-defeating.


Title: Re: Tesla updates software to roll out driverless cars in three months
Post by: cramved on March 28, 2015, 08:55:23 PM
Sure I agree in this scenario a lot of jobs will be made obsolete. I suppose self-driving cars will be cheap, but not free. That money goes to the owner of the car I'm guessing? Leasing self-driving cars to use as taxis has got to be big business.

You could get your self driving car to become a taxi and make money for you when you are not using it! I assume the traditional taxi market would become obsolete if you could do this with self driving cars.