The thought of a union brings to mind the thought of a centralized society. Centralization means one thing, authority! many members here are from countries where everything is centralized, and see the blockchain as a divine call for the little guy Yeah, I do agree, I'm one of them  I hate centralized stuff, too, especially countries and their taxation policies. That's why I was thinking more about some sort of a "people's union" that would be run by people, with functions and tasks as the primary means of running the whole thing - something like a "blockchain union". For example members could pick tasks that they would like to do, or verify those that have been already done: docs verification, calls to employers, writing the emails, investigations about complains, or anything else. Kill me, if I know how to pull it out, ha, ha |
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First of all who will be behind this union? There must be some hierarchy and thus those people at top that manage it will they manage it for free or will they try to make money out of this somehow. Yep, that would be a problem. Here's what I think, and you can call me romantic or enthusiast but I actually believe that people can manage to pull it out without money. First, I believe that the representatives from all the language communities must be present in the "top management", and the system must function in such a way that they can be replaceable - so, kind of a system with "top functions" instead of the "top people". For example, members from the Croatian section can verify campaigns from Croatia, and members from the Indonesian community can verify ICO employers from their land. If it's completely transparent, people will be able to pick up the different tasks from some kind of a board or something (like verifying the docs, making calls to check the employers, meeting with them in person, checking the work of the escrows, or controlling the work of other members who performed some tasks.) If a certain task get enough confirmations - like on the blockchain - than it is considered done. Just a thought, though the like an open club, in which will to participate percent 20 man with this forum. Yeah, the "open club" sounds great, nice thinking. I was thinking more like 70-80% of the bounty workers as the force that will be enough to make some rules. The idea regarding KYE aka Know Your Employer doesn't guarantee anything. Do you understand that people who plan scam and do it on professional level will fake this details? This is how they managed in the past whenever they've required to give KYC because of their campaigns/partnerships they provided false data. But what if we can meet with them face to face, in person? If a union have enough members from different lands, we would be able to make every sort of verification you can imagine. Then again, it has to become viral among the bounty hunters if we want anything like this to happen. For instance you even have websites such as bountyhive and bounty0x which don't go through forum. I don't know how these companies charge for their services, if anyone knows anything about it, maybe he can share it here. I believe that lots of ICOs with limited or no campaign funds at all would prefer a free labor force on the Bitcointalk. Anyway, they are centralized institutions, companies, and they can make their own rules outside the forum. If the union become large enough, it would be easier for it to dictate rules for the labor force and ICOs on the forum, rules that will protect all of us better. On the other hand, it would be the first union of the sort, so who knows what might happen Mostly people that take part in bounties use their spare time to do so.
Yes, me too I'm a professor of linguistics and a freelance translator, but I really like this crypto stuff and I hate governments. So much that I'm ready to sleep less. I believe that people can manage anything they want if they have the will to do it. If the idea of a "people's union" that would be run by people catch up, who knows, maybe we might all be pleasantly surprised |
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I think that this is one of the ideas that sound great on paper will will fail dramatically in the real world.
I wish you Good luck, but I am very skeptical about the success of the idea.
Don't wish me good luck, I put it here to discuss it, but I'm sure every one of us thought about it, at least once :-) It's just an idea which would be very useful, I think, if we all manage to implement it. If someone has some witty suggestion how we can interview a lots of people to find out what they feel about the Union, please don't hesitate to put it forward. I'm thinking about some poll or something, but maybe someone from some other language community can expose it on his local board to see what kind of reactions he will get? |
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hmm this is a pretty good idea, although it seems like organizing people would be difficult, and then getting ICO teams to actually care about it seems like unlikely
Yep, extremely difficult. On the other hand, if hunters recognize the value in the Union and if it becomes anywhere near massive, I think ICOs (at least the real startups that have no funds for the expensive agencies) will be forced to recognize it too. Like in the real life - if they can get less then 100 workers to promote their campaign, and campaigns approved by the union have thousands, I believe the balance will be established soon. |
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Considering the increasing number of the ICO campaigns lately, and especially the number of the swindling ones, I got that crazy (but under the circumstances still apparent) idea – why wouldn’t we make a sort of a “Bitcontalk bounty hunters’ Union”?
Before you start to vomit on me or the idea itself, please care to read the text because you will see that it would benefit not only the labour force, but also the (honest) employers. I’m not claiming that it could be brought to life, but this is completely another question. These are just my thoughts on this subject that I find very important for every person that works for altcoin campaigns on this forum.
So, first of all, why would we need a union?
Like every union in the world, the bounty hunter’s one will be there to protect the rights of the labourers on the forum. The biggest problems that the people who work for the ICO campaigns are facing is the uncertainty about the payments. Campaign owners can disappear with the money, they can indefinitely postpone the payment of the bounties, or lower the rewards of the participants at their will once the job is done (I had many similar experiences of every of the mentioned sorts, and guess each one of you had them if you are here long enough).
How can a Union fight that?
My ideas are the following:
1. Demand the KYC procedure for ICO employers – KYE (know your employer).
Well, they started to demand from the participants of the ICO campaigns to pass the KYC procedure (and some of them manipulate with the results, as well as with the time needed to perform the document verification), so why wouldn’t we ask from them to do the same? If we can check who they are, where they live, what they own, and we have their telephone numbers and skype addresses, then that would be a completely different ball game.
2. Demand an escrow with pre-mined/pre-created tokens/coins designated for the bounty rewards payment.
That wallet will be in the hands of the neutral bounty manager, preferably a member of the union, with the max number of coins designated for the campaign (the “hardcap reached” number of coins). If the campaign doesn’t achieve its goal, or proved to be completely unsuccessful, the proper amount of coins will be given back to the hands of the owner or burned. But it would prevent the arbitrary distribution of tokens, for example, in the case when a certain bounty campaign had a lesser number of participants, and they should receive larger shares of the tokens from the pool designated for that campaign – one of the most common situations in which the bounty owners usually “make a decision” that the rules which they have set at the beginning of the campaign don’t longer apply, and that the participants of these campaign will receive a fixed sum, considerably lower than the sum which they are actually entitled to.
Of course, there are lots of other stuff that a Union could be able to do for its members: organize trainings (in English language, for example) in order to improve the quality of work, achieve communication and arrangements with the government of the forum and negotiate the benefits for its members, and many other interesting stuff. It could also make a sort of a blockchain token that can be used as a “proof of quality”, “proof of improvement”, or something else, the possibilities are vast.
How can a Union achieve all that?
Like with every union that has ever existed, that’s the trickiest part – it has to become large enough to represent the considerable force. In that situation ICO campaigns that are seeking the labourers for their marketing campaigns and don’t want to agree to the terms of the Union, could be faced with the lack of the workers for their campaigns and forced to pay large sums to the agencies that will perform the marketing activities for them. The bottom line is that the only thing an organized group of marketing labourers can do is to deprive the employer of their work.
But a big Union can also make a pressure on the potential swindlers because it would have members from all the countries in the world. I would think twice to cheat on someone if I’m aware of the fact that he knows where I live and that he can visit me in the middle of the night with the bunch of his union friends.
How would employers benefit from the Union?
The first and the obvious benefit would be that – if Union approves their campaign – labourers will have more trust in their project and their honesty, and that would attract more labourers to the project. Secondly, Union could provide them with the information about the workforce and vouch for their quality (based, for example, on some “proof of quality” token, or some database).
How can the Union itself be achieved?
Well, I guess there’s no other way but to work on that. People may think they can achieve something alone, that they are better alone, but the said truth is that a lone worker (or an unorganized bunch of them) is the easiest prey of all for any employer, and that he simply can’t exercise his rights in the situation in which he is scammed or damaged. But if he has a large body that can stand for him and his rights, reach different countries, and maybe, in the future, in some legally regulated circumstances even sue the employer, he wouldn’t be just a candle in the wind.
My guess is that there would be a large number of Bitcontalk bounty hunters who will be interested in the idea, and that the main job will be to reach them on the local forums. That’s why I think that the people from different language communities have to be engaged in the implementation of the idea. The large number of members and activities would also require some sort of the organisational structure, with the representatives from all the language communities in the “management” of the project. I also believe it should be totally free for the members.
Please don’t think of this post as a “Union ICO”, or a ”Union Founding Act”! These are just my thoughts on the subject that I find very important. If you find this subject important, if you have some ideas, or if you find the idea of a Bitcointalk Bounty Hunters’ Union compelling, please share your thoughts and ideas, and maybe, in time we can come up with a structure or a feasible plan how to achieve a better situation for all of us.
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Evo glasao sam, ali hajde malo promovirajte ovo, nema niti 20 glasova. Mislim da bi pobjednik trebao dobiti i podršku za merit source namještenje kako bi mogao pomagati malo i lokalnoj zajednici. Ako nešto treba pomoći, samo recite.
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Somehow i was expecting the community to be bashing me more than standing together with me.
Who could blame you, for Christ, you're just a worker here, just like us :-) You've run this campaign in a marvelous manner, and I hope you got your fee in the form of a fixed fiat or at least btc/eth sum. It's just that we don't have translation spreadsheet yet: when we'll be able to see it? Thanks, mate, and cheers! I will try to get it done asap. So sorry for that. I am down with the last 2 spreadsheet which is translation and content. I need to work with the dev team and the excel spreadsheet for telegram is killing me. usually we need not do the telegram excel sheet cause we dont have control over the telegram channel, but i end up helping to filter and it is an insane amount of work trying to filter out all the fake and scammers. As for whether i got my fee, i certainly do hope so but what i wish more is that you all got your bounties. Right now, i have been working on a "trust" level for the past 2 months. I could have chose to stop the bounty until the payment is made or they find a new one to take over but I do not want to abandon my community so i carried on in the hope of "Trust". Jesus... If even you guys have to work 'on trust' then this community is definitely ready for a union. Just to fight for bounty escrows and for KYC for employers. The whole situation with merits and scam projects is becoming ridiculous. It is ok. That is the 'trust' between me and the team. My main priority is getting the spreadsheet ready to the team and getting the bounty to be distributed to you all. And one thing we can hope is that the team will burn any unsold tokens so that each token value will go up and you all can enjoy more values. no information about burning unsold token, limited to expectation? but indeed if they want to adjust they should burn a little to the campaign is also not so disappointed with their results. the team say that they will be burning the unsold token. So hopefully after the burning of the tokens, the value of the each token will increase significantly. I didn't get anything yet. They were mentioning on the Telegram something about "their" "new" bounty spreadsheets and that we will be able to "check our status". And I saw some bounty participants complaining that they didn't get the sum from the spreadsheets. Is this some kind of a scam, thievery, swindle? Do you know anything about these new spreadsheets hui? Cheers, mate! |
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Sve dosadašnje faze prodaje ZAPIT tokena dostigle su hardcap za svega nekoliko dana. Pripremite se za 4. fazu ICO prodaje koja počinje za svega 5 dana.
Požurite investirati i priključiti se projektu na vrijeme!
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Upoznajte jednog od savjetnika projekta Nauticus, Anthonyja Johnsona.
Anthony Johnson je direktor razvoja poslovanja u tvrtki Bloodstone Solutions koja se bavi projektiranjem umjetnih ljudi-robota. On je i suosnivač tvrtke DICE Money i ima tri desetljeća iskustva u financijama i ljudskim resursima.
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Please note that if you haven't received an email regarding KYC and have your name and email-id in the "Sheet 6" in Google spreadsheet then send an email to ico@caviar.io with scanned document of national ID . Please explain in the content part about your participation as bounty participant and do let them know the batch no. in which I have sent them your name. You can find your batch no. in "Sheet 6" of the bounty spreadsheet. Last date to submit KYC has been extended to 10th April. There will be no further extension. Also I haven't forwarded them any email id's posted in the thread after the email id posting deadline which was 8th April. ~Avirunes Avi, I have received KYC mail, I submitted the docs and didn't receive the KYC confirmation e-mail or however you guys are calling it. Do I have to write to the ico team or not? This is becoming a nightmare... |
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Sjajne vijesti za bounty huntere ZAPIT-ove kampanje!
Tim projekt Zapit odobrio je sumu 291.000 ZAPIT tokena koji su preneseni u escrow novčanik bounty managera.
Tijekom faze ICO prodaje (Pretprodaja i 1. i 2. faza prodaje) do sada je ukupno prodano 11.000.000 ZAPIT tokena.
2,5% ukupnog broja tokena prodanih tijekom ICO prodaje bilo je rezervirano za isplate nagrada suradnicima, dakle 275.000 ZAPIT tokena.
Preostalih 16.000 ZAPIT Tokena predstavlja honorar za bounty managera koji timu pruža i uslugu escrow novčanika.
Imajte na umu da je ZAPIT-ov ICO još uvijek u tijeku, te da se trenutačno nalazi u Fazi 4 prodaje.
To znači da će se nakon ove faze prodaje dodati još više tokena u fond za nagrađivanje suradnika na promoviranju kampanje.
Zapit token je već na burzi Radar Relay: https://app.radarrelay.com/ZAPIT/WETH
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Nauticus će 2022. godine postati globalni partner sustava provjere identiteta "Upoznajte svog kupca" (KYC) koji štiti od krađe, pranja novca i financiranja terorizma.
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info@mmm.finance or telegram: @mmmfinance - we will answer for all your questions with pleasure. Poruka pokretača projekta: info@mmm.finance ili telegram: @mmmfinance - sa zadovoljstvom ćemo odgovoriti na svako Vaše pitanje |
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They said on telegram, that they will need another 15 days to verify those KYC´s documents. Delay after delay. Not really professional
Are they capable to do so in such a short time? They are not able to calculate the spreadsheets to give workers the info about the earned tokens for months now... |
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KYC Verification: APPROVEDemail: vikbounty1985@gmail.combtctalk username: duosre btctalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1188940ETH-wallet: 0x3E9D246C216e1817313839E78E6CE414872c45BF Blog/Media Spreadsheet: 111, 134, 135, 194, 323, 324, 463, 464, 822, 823, 824, 825, 826 If you are KYC approved and haven't got your tokens yet, then please send a mail to ico@caviar.ioHi, is this a confirmation mail that my KYC docs are approved?  I wrote to ico@caviar.io but they don't answer... |
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Website registration form doesn't work... (for me at least). It keeps crashing
I just let the develope team know about this and they took action. It should be solved now. Can you try again? Now it works. Thanks! It was crashing after I press the "registration" button. Unfortunately, I didn't take a screenshot, sorry... |
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Website registration form doesn't work... (for me at least). It keeps crashing
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