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Maybe knitting might be a better hobby for him. Clearly cant handle standard computer evolution. Like it hasnt happened to any other electronic based product since electricity was discovered. Guys an idiot. Nothing more to be said. I mine more on GPU then ASICs. Takes a really stubborn idiot to ignore the facts.
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Post all you want, cant see your stupidity lol. You make me lose brain cells every time I read a statement of yours. It literally hurts my head. Unlike you, I have the integrity to do what i say and block you. Funny, I cant even see your posts, yet somehow i can tell you are responding to me.  |
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Holy shit the dude is just waiting for someone to post LOL. Must love talking to himself. I dont know how anyone can take him seriously.
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The fact NONE of these ASIC companies have to share their developments with anyone, we are pretty lucky to be able to get them as well. Baikal is way more of a threat to the industry then Bitmain, yet no mention of them lol. Shows how stupid this Bitmain bias really is. Nothing but childish rantings. No one is forcing any of these companies to share their findings. They could have just fucked EVERYTHING over and not even bothered to tell anyone.
I have brought up Baikal and the new FPGA companies as well. The GPUs backers don't care because they are not the evil empire of BitMain... indeed lol. |
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The fact NONE of these ASIC companies have to share their developments with anyone, we are pretty lucky to be able to get them as well. Baikal is way more of a threat to the industry then Bitmain, yet no mention of them lol. They horde most of their devices and only sell a few. Shows how stupid this Bitmain bias really is. Nothing but childish rantings. No one is forcing any of these companies to share their findings. They could have just fucked EVERYTHING over and not even bothered to tell anyone. Im still amazed at how many times this dipstick DM keeps repeating the same thing.
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I stand corrected on calling this coin scammy. My apologies. You seem to be pretty active.
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The answer to this issue seems to lie within changing algorithms like x16r.
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How's about you and lil' troll Sprite get a room together and STFU? Use the ignore option if you don't want to read the posts of others. Why dont you learn to read and stfu. I did. Its cute how edgy you are trying to be though. Still have to see "this user is ignored" 5k times because he was spamming non stop. Dude is clearly off his rocker. Glad you came to defend non sense like that. Take your own advise. If you dont want to read my posts. Ignore me. Dont see the hypocrisy in what you are saying? Glorious. Keep on fighting the good fight by showing up 20 minutes late with irrelevant posts. |
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1 btc ^ this post is something ridiculous and completely off the point. Cant see it because its ignored  Even though this guy said I was an idiot and ignored me LOL. I thought you ignored me buddy. I dont think hes capable of having a civil conversation anymore. You really need help man. If you were a respected community member here, you clearly dont act like it now. Pity. Enjoy ranting to no one. IT must suck to have people block and ban you all the time when you try and express yourself. Id like to stay and chat but you're a total dick DM. I wish everyone else a good night. |
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Anyway. Glad to see a level head to discuss with. I dont really favor either. I use both but 90% of my stock is GPU.
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It's a big "?" when you dont see these GPU makers designing chips for mining. They are clearly proficient in creating amazing products, yet mining isnt a priority for AMD or Nvidia. The Nvidia CEO even asked retailers to stop selling GPUs in bulk to miners. Even they dont think GPU mining is the way to go. They are not pushing ANY kind of innovation for PC mining aside from a handful of companies. Like Biostar and Asus. Its just odd. If it was the answer, why arent the biggest players in the industry supporting it full force. The "mining" cards wont even come with a warranty.
They don't believe crypto is the future yet? Deep learning, AI, robotics, autonomous driving are their main focus areas? I would say not as much as the users of the coins believe. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qveb7w/nvidia-will-focus-on-gaming-because-cryptocurrencies-are-volatilehttps://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/nvidia-ceo-crypto-comments-throw-chip-stocks-into-focus-friday-14586907https://www.coindesk.com/amd-sees-long-term-leveling-off-cryptocurrency-mining-demand/"AMD shares ultimately dropped 12 percent, from $14.25 at closing on Tuesday to as low as $12.43 in after hours trading. This coincides with the investment communities highly cautionary stance towards AMD's exposure to the volatile and potentially fleeting cryptocurrency market. Plus, AMD forecasted a decrease in cryptocurrency-related revenues for the fourth quarter, expecting its fourth quarter revenues to decrease by 15 percent from the third quarter, give or take three percent." https://news.bitcoin.com/cryptocurrency-mining-accounted-for-10-of-amds-overall-revenue-in-q1-2018/https://www.marketwatch.com/story/amd-crypto-mining-isnt-as-big-a-part-of-our-business-as-reported-2018-03-27https://www.investopedia.com/news/reduction-cryptocurrency-mining-could-be-trouble-amd-and-nvidia/https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/26/analyst-slashes-amd-nvidia-price-targets-on-new-cryptocurrency-mining-chip-from-china.htmlNeither Giant cares to react enough to fight against it and they are the ones GPU miners should be thankful too. A bit odd, eh? They have no intentions of competing with Bitmain in this avenue. Hate to say it, but my opinion is formed because the main players dont even see it as revolutionary right now. They want other things. Its just not as a big as people want it to be. Maybe in a few years. This is why Bitmain dominates. There just isnt enough interest from other companies. Its funny how others perceive me as this ASIC pushing shill when all im speaking is the truth. Amazing isnt it  . I just dont understand the thought that GPU will take over. There still only 2 companies designing architecture for video cards where ASIC chips are being developed by more companies every day. All of the other GPU manufacturers outside of AMD and Nvidia are sitting on their hands waiting to buy the next schematic. How can this possibly sustain mining. Its just been Polaris and Pascal for years. Its a clear sign that the industry is shifting. One could say the ASIC designers like Texas Instruments are the true pioneers of the industry creating machines designed for the purpose. GPUs get bigger...ASICS get smaller...There is literally no one else aside from the few ASIC pioneers that are pushing the mining side of design forward. These chips are marvels of engineering. |
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It's a big "?" when you dont see these GPU makers designing chips for mining. They are clearly proficient in creating amazing products, yet mining isnt a priority for AMD or Nvidia. The Nvidia CEO even asked retailers to stop selling GPUs in bulk to miners. Even they dont think GPU mining is the way to go. They are not pushing ANY kind of innovation for PC mining aside from a handful of companies. Like Biostar and Asus. Its just odd. If it was the answer, why arent the biggest players in the industry supporting it full force. The "mining" cards wont even come with a warranty. Its why I have a lot of respect for Nvidia. They want AI, space travel and quantum computing.
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Every industry that gets popular gets dominated by the major players. Crypto is no different. If a coin is GPU only, then people will just fill up warehouses with GPU. There really isnt a difference. The people with money own every industry.
Yes, true and the money is now with Bitmain so let us give them control? All we can do is limit it. Hence, it's ASIC resistance and not ASIC proof  . If we keep forking every x months and nobody buy those ASICs there will be no incentive after a few iterations of ASICs. Eventually they'll wear out. Right now they dump the old gen HW to us while they refresh their own inventory with better stuff. Theres no one stopping anyone from designing their own asics. Its not like AMD and Nvidia cant do the same. Why dont they? Its a huge illogical flaw in the ASIC debate. Anyone can make them. Texas Instruments design the chips for Bitmain. No one hates them for example. Literally the only reason its happening is because they have free reign. |
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Every industry that gets popular gets dominated by the major players. Crypto is no different. If a coin is GPU only, then people will just fill up warehouses with GPU. This whole idea that one type of computer over the other causes a centralization issue, is a far fetch argument. Its not like all major GPU coins dont have 1000s of gpus pointed to it by a single person. A FB admin in a group im in produces a few hundred k a month with his properties. All GPU. How is he not centralizing things? There really isnt a difference. The people with money own every industry. Bitmain doesnt own all of the hash power for every coin they make machines for. Ethermine.org dominates the entire ether network.
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No one has mentioned a group that really wants ASICs to hit the market for all algos, and that is the gamers. They have been bitching about the prices of GPUs going higher and higher because of miners.
I have been through it all, GPUs, Gridseed blades, Antminers, more GPUs, and on and on. My son, who is a gamer has been doing nothing but bitching about the high price of GPUs, so he is pro ASIC.
As I said before, it's clear that Bitmain can now produce an ASIC for any algo. No one is complaining about Baikal miners, why because they are not Bitmain. But yet they are multi-algo miners.
Just watch, if there is another algo with a high value coin attached to it, there will be an ASIC for it. Now you have FPGAs coming out that can mine any algo. What are the pro GPU people going to do then?
Well said. Whats funny is that GPU architecture design is only owned by 2 companies. There are literally more ASIC manufacturers designing chips then there are GPU. AMD and Nvidia own the entire GPU market by design. Similar to how Sony basically had all rights to the compact disc, when it was created. Hence the Sony stamp. Well intel a little bit with onboard cpu/gpu schematics. Think they are getting into GPU design as well. There will be no difference when asic go mainstream like GPU. It will just be the top couple companies selling schematics to 3rd party to build their own, just like AMD/Nvidia. There is literally no difference. How do i know this? Because this has been the entire evolution cycle of modern computing. |
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Because the logical approach to finding a resolution is to just fork, fork, fork, fork, fork.Damn a new machine? fork fork fork.....So they going to fork again after the next machine? Maybe? 3rd....Nope. Its a waste of money and time and pointless venture. People CANNOT stop evolution of the computer. ASICs are built for mining. GPUs arent. ITs amazing people are against such a simplistic concept. GPU should be leading the charge in AI development. Not mining. Thats where Nvidia is trying to get anyway. This fight against obsolete tactics is useless lol. It just looks like a bunch of kids kicking and screaming. So please....Just keep devoting resources to fork EVERY time a machine comes out. They honored peoples request the first time, good luck on the second.
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Although it may seem that this guy dmwardjr is talking to himself, he is actually fighting for all of us GPU miners.
If nobody voices out concerns like this, there is no chance that GPU mining will survive and ASICs backed by profit-oriented companies will take over the mining scene. I'm glad dmwardjr is here and actively posting in this thread if anything to raise awareness. Keep on fighting the good fight!
Can you honestly say that if ASIC were as readily available and as affordable as GPUs you wouldnt use them? You are also implying AMD and Nvidia arent profiting from this? |
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I dont think you realize that you cant stop this from happening. If anything, You should encourage people to buy their stores so the hashrate gets distributed around the globe. if you TRULY care about decentralizing what they do. Like the guy said above, they didnt have to release ANY of their hardware. All this shows is what truly matters to people. Money. IF they were so caring about the coin,chain, security, you would want this kind of progress. Just not from one company. No ones stopping anyone from making them. So....
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