i lost my 3 btc in this program please stay away from this btc-arbs.i have got no refund
Have you not been reading this board? You're preaching to the choir! We are all here hoping and waiting for our funds back. |
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Man it's like politics, the rich get some payments, the poor gets most of the entitlements (at least first), and the middle are just stuck in a "who got in line first" type of mentality.
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I'm sure a lot of people would be put at ease if their was some kind of plan. It seems as if the paybacks are completely random.
What we know
1) He has some amount of coins he is using for ARB trading
2) We can assume from past performance ~1% is a fair assumption for daily earnings.
This shouldn't be difficult math.
If the process was more transparent, I'm confident more people would have faith in the system put in place for payback. Right now no one knows what is happening and everyone is just blindly hoping for a payback.
I really feel the daily earnings/amount being used be posted. It is OUR money that is being used for ARB so its only fair we understand the process. We should also have a sheet of "Confirmed Pending Payments" So we know he received the info and has done his research to confirm that it is valid. And an Estimated schedule that is being followed for payback. 20-40 days doesn't tell us much, and at current rates, this doesn't seem reasonable.
Agreed! I have never gotten a strait answer why there are small amounts sent to some and not to others. Is he paying things back alphabetically by username? or is it those who have threatened him the most? The people that have been paid back completely seem to be small amounts which makes a little more sense, but the people that have gotten small percentage payouts of ones balance doesn't make sense, it would make more sense if those were split up into the group evenly, even if it is a fraction. And if it's not split up, some information as to why would help calm the waters. |
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They returned the 0.1btc that I had invested.
When was it returned? Just today? And when it was returned did you get any sort of e-mail or PM about it being the returned amount? |
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Did anyone on this board get refunded today? Or even get any money for that matter?
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I have no problem with Yonce, he has given us quite a lot of good insight into this HYIP culture.
Turns out the yonce might have a lot of insight into HYIP admins because the claim is that he is the admin for FinMutual. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=626622.0Even if he is something less than that, he has been linked to an old alias dominicwin by Tomatocage a hero member with high trust. It is interesting that the trust flames by dominicwin & yonce do follow the same patterns of flaming people that don't agree with him. Even if none of that is true, a lot of information has come out in this thread with yonce's multi-week sparring with crazyivan. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=527395.400The one thing that can be sure is that yonce is pushing an agenda that is probably only good for yonce. While it is toned down from when he first appeared with the yonce alias, he spurts out some real nasty comments from time to time, including: I need to start a bitcoin arbitrage trading story based HYIP. Suckers everywhere STILL...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=474787.msg6810852#msg6810852Man.... this again??? While younce is a total waste, because it's clear he has nothing better to do than wander around pounding his chest and making this thread his 'I told ya so' trophy (I'm going off old info since I have him ignored and what little I read from him seems much less antagonizing) - your constant barrage on him that just comes out of left field does nothing to better the situation and in fact is getting old. Just put him on ignore and let him throw out blocked messages. Either that, or take it offline with him and you two can hammer out your differences and that lets this thread stay on subject! |
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Well, I didn't receive an email reply, either. I just had it acknowledged in a post on the forum and I had a brief discussion via PM to clarify what I could expect in terms of repayment timeframe, before pursuing legal satisfaction and contact those who have offered information to that end. So I'm giving him the time he asked for and we will just see. I'm pretty sure the sub-1btc folks most likely won't be waiting as long.
Still I'm not following.... I've had no PM discussion or response, I haven't even had a fart in my direction since the site shut down. Like I said before; paying people off in full I can understand, but if he is paying small amounts to one person, he should be trying to do that to all. To me it looks like he pays off the small people who are a large number to dim the noise from the crowd and feeds the large folks who could give him the most legal trouble and those of us in the middle get the shaft. |
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More refunds paid. Another 1 coin sent to freejack. Not all refunds that were paid are from members who actively post here. Many are from emails.
Good for freejack but once again, how come if he isn't paying someone off in full does he give some a little bit of coin and the rest of us nothing? When did you request it? I have no idea how he is determining it except that I assume he is trying to pay people off completely whenever he has the funds (depending on how he did that day, assuming you believe he is arbitrage trading and I still tend to believe he is) and narrow down the number of people left. I would probably do it that way if I were doing it, rather than giving everyone a tiny cut of the total. I'm sure over time, he will get it sorted out...nobody is going to let him off the hook and it seems like he knows that, or he wouldn't be here doing this. Let's see how it goes over the coming weeks. From my point of view, he is currently using my money (and that of the other "whales") to do his earning and pay people back...which is okay, as long as people ARE paid back and I am not made to wait an unreasonable amount of time to be repaid. As I said before, he committed to 20-40 days with me and that is what I expect to see. He will get through these repayments, I'm sure this is not a noose he wants hanging around his neck. Noted, but I haven't even received an e-mail from him.... and just like you said, if he is paying people off completely it would make sense, but you're getting little bits of money back, and I'm not even getting an e-mail much less money. |
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More refunds paid. Another 1 coin sent to freejack. Not all refunds that were paid are from members who actively post here. Many are from emails.
Good for freejack but once again, how come if he isn't paying someone off in full does he give some a little bit of coin and the rest of us nothing? |
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I would like to know the philosophy behind who gets what? How is it Freejack gets 4btc back and I have received zilcho??? Not that I'm wishing any ill will on Freejack, I hope he gets all his funds back, but I was neither the smallest nor the largest and I haven't so much as received a hiccup in my direction! What gives?
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* THE LIST *
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NOT REFUNDED
Slipknot79 Total: 3,2515; Deposited: 2,632
worldlybedouin ?
riterrani ?
FreeJack2k2 ?
lesnod11 ?
b!z ?
korniza 1+ BTC
thor4 ?
MrMateria ?
deathdefyer2002 ?
NullOp 1 BTC
tom14cat14 1.5+ BTC
crypto ?
airwalker2662 1.06 BTC
viru ?
....
(please fill the list all you did not got any penny from the guy and also the lose you have)
COMPLETE REFUND LIST (earnings dropped)
====================
hongo
Amount lost:
Total: 3,2515
Deposits only: 2,632
Yea added myself yo.
Add me to the list please. 0.193 but in my PM to them I said I was happy to round it down to 0.19. Last of the big spenders sitting here. If you want to put amounts, I'm owed roughly 2.45. I originally put in 4.1 with multiple accounts and withdrew as time went on because I wasn't sure I trusted btc-arb. In the end without profits I am out still 2.45 btc. |
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I have no problem with Yonce, he has given us quite a lot of good insight into this HYIP culture.
I have subject changer still ignored; however, it would seem to me he has actually pulled his head out and stays on subject now, but I don't read his messages unless someone reply's to them so they are visible. |
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I have sent two e-mails, one with the original amounts and a second follow up that included the original e-mails content as well as asking for some kind of acknowledgment that he understood the e-mail's content. I originally put 3.4 in and then opened a few smaller accounts for a total of 4.1 invested. After the legacy mess I got basically jack crap back and if I don't at least hear from the admin in the next couple days I'm willing and prepared to join or take legal action.
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Still no response from btc-arbs on my e-mail sent. Not even a notification that it was received.
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I sent an e-mail, I'm hoping I get my funds back. I will keep everyone posted on what happens.
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lesnod i am naive in my thinking and either you or your lawyers don't have balls. Money cases are the easiest and quickest and there is a very specific reason for that: the powers that be want to make it clear that when it comes to money owed there is no playing up.
In my case on two occasions I managed to get my clients their money back before initiating proceedings, and the way I did it is by showing them what we will do to them if they do not pay up and we go ahead. It is not a threat, it is a clear presentation to them of 1+1=2.
I'm happy for it to take 10 years, as long as I know who I am up against, unlike the BTC crap going on now. You are accusing the prey of being guilty for falling to the scum bag, man you take such terrible positions it's not funny. The prey is not guilty for falling into the traps, putting traps is illegal. What I'm guilty of is using a faulty system like BTC, it is like a very beautiful woman walking scantily clothed on a ship with 40 sailors none of them gay who have been at large for weeks and hoping not to get mugged, to put it politely on a public forum. If you didn't get that one, try: using BTC is like using Windows 95 and hoping not to catch a virus. Enjoy your BTCs and the one who takes them from you in exchange for anything, good on them finding the next idiot.
Clearly you have very little experience in court dealings. We have repo'd cars that are without engines and tires and all and we sell what we can, but going after these people is nearly impossible. When their defense is something like the engine was stolen and insurance needs to pay it gets another party involved that ads time, difficulty and expense. Even if it goes smooth a lot of times you can't bleed a turnip an example in one particular case we won the defendant ended up showing criminal intent - he went to jail but did we see a dime?.... nope! mate your case is totally different! yes if the bloke is on the joint then yes no use running after them and it is even difficult to land him time, he'd just be owing you and guess what he can pay when he wants or until you claim again... TOTALLY different story! Here no one is broke and your money is in their pockets, well lego or monopoly money or not even, numbers referencing the block chain... BTC is so dirty better start a new coin. All the coins in all the wallets are either premined or scammed out of people. The 99% have mined their coins on electric heaters, sorry i mean fast protocol specific processors and many own only a few BTCs. And no I don't blame myself for anything, such as falling for a HYIP. I am not giving the son of a bitch an epsilon excuse. Anyone meets him in real life meat the shit out of him. Dude, how many examples do you want? I can give you examples of people living in 12,000 sq/ft homes that claim they have no money and drag it out for eons. You have no conceptual knowledge of how hard it is to collect money. Not to mention that while I do believe these btc people ran off with a lot of money you have no way to prove it. It is possible they just ran out of money. In either case blaming a specific currency is stupid. |
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lesnod i am naive in my thinking and either you or your lawyers don't have balls. Money cases are the easiest and quickest and there is a very specific reason for that: the powers that be want to make it clear that when it comes to money owed there is no playing up.
In my case on two occasions I managed to get my clients their money back before initiating proceedings, and the way I did it is by showing them what we will do to them if they do not pay up and we go ahead. It is not a threat, it is a clear presentation to them of 1+1=2.
I'm happy for it to take 10 years, as long as I know who I am up against, unlike the BTC crap going on now. You are accusing the prey of being guilty for falling to the scum bag, man you take such terrible positions it's not funny. The prey is not guilty for falling into the traps, putting traps is illegal. What I'm guilty of is using a faulty system like BTC, it is like a very beautiful woman walking scantily clothed on a ship with 40 sailors none of them gay who have been at large for weeks and hoping not to get mugged, to put it politely on a public forum. If you didn't get that one, try: using BTC is like using Windows 95 and hoping not to catch a virus. Enjoy your BTCs and the one who takes them from you in exchange for anything, good on them finding the next idiot.
Clearly you have very little experience in court dealings. We have repo'd cars that are without engines and tires and all and we sell what we can, but going after these people is nearly impossible. When their defense is something like the engine was stolen and insurance needs to pay it gets another party involved that ads time, difficulty and expense. Even if it goes smooth a lot of times you can't bleed a turnip an example in one particular case we won the defendant ended up showing criminal intent - he went to jail but did we see a dime?.... nope! |
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emm, Yes?
And if it's not an Obvious yes to you then you probably lost touch with reality.
Try to run a ponzi in real life and see how fast you land in jail, that is because the people in charge of printing the money will hang you from from the nuts
So if you find a ponzi in USD (or Euro, etc) that hasn't been taken down yet, will you join it and "invest" your life saving in it? If your answer is yes, then the problem is clearly not about bitcoin but also USD, Euro, GBP, CNY, JPY, etc. If your answer is no, then why did you join a ponzi in BTC? I answer yes and the problem IS in Bitcoin as it stands. After 911, you cannot send a dime to anyone without being traced, call it what you want, that arrangement is good for me. If I get ponzied in USD, then yes I lose my money but the monkey at the other end will very soon end up in a cage and eat the bananas in his ass cheeks. I just got ponzied in BTC and the system does not tell me who the son of a bitch is? On another place in these forums, there is a guy who accidentally sent 25 BTC to someone for a one month service instead of 2.5 BTC. The jerk who received it is saying yes so I'll give you 10 months service, the sender says no it was a mistake please send me back 22.5 BTC, the jerk says no. In USD, 5 minutes in court and he will spit damages and legal fees as well. If you don't see all the flaws in this experiment then good luck. I'm not coming back with any form of use until capital + interest are returned. Boycott BTC. 5 minutes in court? Due to the fact that I run a small vehicle loaning operation I can tell you that getting your money back is no easy feat. Even though we know full well who the other party is. The costs to get the money back are not always worth the effort it requires and it's never easy, the only time we go through the process is when the sum is large enough. It takes months and sometimes years to get it all ironed out. You're are naive in your thinking. |
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May Adam/Ron (Rodam) burn in hell! If anyone knows how to contact (or beat the hell out of) Rodam, please contact me.
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