The only entity which can provide such information with authority is Liberty Reserve itself.
AurumExchange, MtGox and Bitinstant, please, try to contact Liberty Reserve, in an official manner. If they don't respond, try to reach them via lawyers or something. I know it's possible that they'll just ignore the requests, but you'll never be sure if you don't try.
Unfortunately LR will not reply unless legal action is started, which is what we are also waiting for. AurumXchange however can (and is actually required to) block funds suspected to be in relation of known criminal activity. True, if nobody reports anything, there won't be any crime, hacker walks away and everything's fine. Thing is we believe there is a high chance that this time legal action will be started, and within that context funds were blocked. It is not up to any of us to judge if funds should be unlocked, we should have an actual court with an actual judge do an actual investigation first. |
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I have to say that it's not a good choice for AurumXchange to not include me in the investigation in the first place. I skipped a few classes this afternoon to deal with this mess. However, I have to admit that their intentions are understandable. It's just the fact that 90% of people believing me to be the hacker is driving me mad.
Initially we were supposed to see legal action started by Bitcoinica, however nothing moved there. I do hope that something is started soon before all those wild assumptions coming up from everywhere end causing even more harm. This means that the victims (Tihan, Bitcoin Consultancy, Bitcoinica LP, Bitcoinica users) must do the first step to declare themselves as victims before the legal machine can start moving. Unfortunately it seems that at this point, nobody has started anything. |
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Is there anyway someone could "spoof" an IP Address to make it seem like it was coming from somewhere it really wasn't?
TCP (and therefore HTTP) makes this extremely difficult. |
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Considering the number of elements published so far, the criminal behind this is someone with really close ties to Bitcoinica and/or you. We have some more evidence that we haven't published so far but also points in that direction.
We will comply (and I am sure AurumXchange will too) with any investigation aiming at solving this mess.
Can you confirm or deny that a police investigation is ongoing? As of today, we have received no contact from any involved party stating a police investigation is ongoing, nor any contact from any law enforcement agency regarding anything related to Bitcoinica. |
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There's no reason that I'd forgo my integrity and all the reputation for just $200,000 at such a young age. I was working very hard for my new project (and a new homepage design will be deployed today) and it's simply outside my attention to commit such a thing.
I'll commit any reasonable effort to get justice back.
Considering the number of elements published so far, the criminal behind this is someone with really close ties to Bitcoinica and/or you. We have some more evidence that we haven't published yet but also points in that direction. We will comply (and I am sure AurumXchange will too) with any investigation aiming at solving this mess. |
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I must be extremely stupid to hack the Mt. Gox account and cash out the very next day at an exchange with very close ties with Bitcoin community. (Isn't that shooting myself?) I used three different exchangers because some of them didn't have sufficient reserves in their bank and I didn't fully trust them either. AurumXchange was the exchange I trusted the most because Bitcoinica had a close business partnership with you previously.
There's nothing coincidental about your evidence.
Also, if you shared this with me earlier in the ticket instead of posting a "statement" like this I could co-operate with the investigation much better. I didn't have a single clue that you are indeed correlating the hack with my private transaction at your exchange.
Whatever the circumstances may be, AurumXchange deemed the situation too dangerous to decide to unlock the funds. As long as you can prove the origin of the funds you've been transferring, there shouldn't be any issue. |
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As representative of MtGox, I do confirm the following facts: - Upon hack of Bitcoinica's account on our platform, a large number of redeemable codes have been issued. Seeing a large volume of codes emitted by Bitcoinica didn't alert us at first as we assumed those were funds returned to Bitcoinica customers, however we were made aware it was not the case upon posting on this forum by Genjix about the account hack. We noticed that most of those codes were sent to AurumXchange.
- Codes were all generated from IP 184.22.31.180 (184-22-31-180.static.hostnoc.net)
- During the investigation, AurumXchange asked us if we knew anything about email address stevejobs807@gmail.com which was used by the hacker according to AurumXchange. We found an account under this email which had some activity back in 2011, with access from both an IP at Microsoft Singapore then an IP at Amazon EC2 and which initial funds are deposited from an account known to belong to Zhou Tong.
. While we have no definitive proof at this time, there is a definitive need for a proper investigation of what happened there. We have got no reply at this time from Bitcoinica LP and its representatives/owners regarding this matter despite many requests. |
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Just a note, it seems that Dwolla switched to GoDaddy (known to be more trustworthy than Verisign?). Dwolla, before:  Dwolla, after:  |
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Your account is one number away from mine. You received a deposit from me because I'm a moron. If you happen to read this can I please have my $ back. Maybe half?
Mt. Gox says they can't do anything. Not even pass a message to you, so I'm hoping that you read this. I'm not rich, just wanted to try this BTC thing, so it matters a lot to me.
Thank you and good day.
Here is my address:
16EnTee8cQUQmhfDH1mEorE2oPUTCGQzHr
I took the liberty of checking your account, and found that you deposited through Bitinstant. You need to contact Bitinstant to ask them to recall the transfer and send it to the appropriate account (they will be able to check if you are indeed the individual who did the deposit - while we can't). |
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Ok here's the scenario...
The current price is 9.10. There is a bid wall at 9.05 of 10k BTC and a bid wall at 9.00 of 10k BTC. The total bid volume from the current price to 9.00 is less than 22k BTC.
I issue a sell order for 22k BTC at the market price.
Is there any way that the entirety of both walls isn't sold into by my sell order?
The only way would be if someone already placed an order eating on those walls before you. If not, then you will be the one who gets to trade with the people on both walls. |
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As I said we know how and where the USD moved, so yes.
And about the Bitcoins, it would have been easy for MtGox to tell us the transaction ID, but they choose to astonish some Japanese police officer with such information, IF they even filed that report. Some Japanese police officiers, our lawyers, and the people at Bitcoinica, plus the people who have helped during the investigation. About the Bitcoins, we could share the transaction IDs, but I'm pretty sure everyone already got them (a 40k BTC tx is easy to locate) |
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Consider this post an appeal to Mt. Gox to reveal whether they are fractional reserve or not. Given the current lending rates, it is likely that everyone holding a significant amount of BTC is lending some of it out. What are Mt. Gox (and other entities, but let's start with the biggest) doing with clients' money? (USD + BTC) Do Mt. Gox invest a certain fraction of customer funds? What fraction? On what investments? If you agree that at least the fraction of the invested vs liquid funds should be exposed, show your support by voting. (If Mt. Gox ever commented about this issue, feel free to redirect this post to that comment) We do not offer any kind of lending at this point. We are considering allowing people to have "saving accounts" managed by one of our financially-licensed subsidiaries at some point, which would come with some kind of interest rate, but we haven't been able yet to find any company willing to help with insuring and recovering bitcoin debts. Anyway should it happen, it will be a voluntary process that will require acceptation of specific terms of services first. For more details you can read our current terms of service: Mt. Gox represents and warrants that [...] it will hold all monetary sums and all Bitcoins deposited by each Member in its Account, in that Member's name as registered in their Account details, and on such Member's behalf. |
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The question remains why there hasnt been a police report initiated by the owners of bitcoinica. Shouldnt it be them and not yourself that initiates such a thing ? When else do you arbitrarily "inform the police " without the actual people involved doing it ?
We are still discussing this with our legal counsel actually, however filing the theft details pre-emptively from our side may make things easier and faster, and may protect us and our other customers too. |
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We are preparing options to force delays on Bitcoins (rule set depending on aggregated 24 hours transfer amount - option configurable from the user) and emergency account lockout (that would automatically cancel any delayed transfer).
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How did someone initiate a $40 000 transfer without AML warning bells going off at Mt Gox since they use this excuse if you usually try it with anything close to $10 000 or in combinations that are close to that ? One doesnt just transfer $40 000 out of Mordor.
We will open a police investigation and get this clear on the police's side. We will not however be able to share such details publicly while an investigation is in progress. |
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What I wish Mt.Gox Support would have said:
I believe that Magiclatux talked to you on IRC (Just about now) about this... We confirm that we initiated your wire transfer through Bank of ********* on 2012-07-03 and it had a confirmation number of *********7890 as we noted in IRC. Now, as you are probably aware, 10k isn't a hard number, you might still undergo government scrutiny at 9k or at any other number if they feel like it. Any delays, please inquire with your bank. Please let us know how long it takes to get you your money, it'll help us out, since this is a problem we'd really like to get resolved. But in the meantime, you can rest assured that we've sent your wire out as instructed.
We hope now that you better understand the situation and what's happening to your withdrawals.
Instead, Mt.Gox Support says:
I believe that Magiclatux talked to you on IRC (Just about now) about this... Now since we cannot obviously give the details of all your transactions here on this forum I would like however to remind you that things are not as simple as you may think.
You won't avoid government scrutiny by sending a 9999.99 USD wire or send 1,000 USD every day during 10 Days, Or send 1,000 then 2,000, then 1,000.... and so on on a very short period of time. While all of these are each time below the 10,0000 USD Mark, government official ALSO make sure to check the "total" amount of withdraws you made within a certain period of time.
We hope now that you better understand the situation and what's happening to your withdrawals.
Of course, publish (part of) private details on the forum... Also, those delays do not directly depend on us and we have no way to push for specific transfers. The good news is that we're almost over with this. |
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Hi,
Most likely orders executing in other currencies at higher price because of the exchange rate.
You could check the "mixed_currency" flag on the trades to confirm.
Mark
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Let me clarify a few points: - We cannot prevent people from sending us funds via Dwolla. Once funds are here, they are here.
- We have announced the AML requirements for everyone as soon as we were informed by Dwolla that we would have to comply with US laws on Dwolla customers and put as much time as we could before actually enabling these
- There is no way to refund Dwolla transfers. We could send a transfer back for the same amount, but then if your bank were to cancel your deposit, you'd end with your initial deposit back on top of getting the same amount back from us. There is nothing protecting us against this kind of cases.
. Anyway since Dwolla implemented requirement to provide an ID sooner than we did for all our customers, chances are only people who are comfortable providing an ID were still using Dwolla at this point. Anyway we have to comply with US laws on this and require identification for anyone moving money in or out via Dwolla. |
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Just clarifying about Dwolla, as you may all know things are changing at Dwolla, there are new conditions and we are still pending approval from Dwolla to operate with them, since it seems that now a written consent from Dwolla is required (as per their new conditions). In the meantime we operate on Dwolla at lower speed and put more priority to keep being able to keep them as a funding and withdraw method. All dwolla transfers are processed in a fully automated way by our servers, and the support staff has no way to push for a specific transfer to be operated at a given time. Dwolla transfer status are: - Preparing: system is running checks to see if the transfer can be executed
- Confirmed: Transfer can be executed and is pending in queue
- Todo: Transfer is near the top of the queue and will be executed soon
- Processed: Transfer has been processed
Current observed delay with Dwolla withdraws is 6~7 days. As soon as we clarify our situation with Dwolla (they know what we do and we are working with them toward obtaining the "written consent") and know for sure our account with them will continue existing, we will be keeping funds with Dwolla again. |
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Gox, do you plan to offer an alternate withdrawal service in the near future?
We are working on this, and may have something in June (still waiting for contract to be signed, so can't make promises at this point). |
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