bump bump.
guys, any ideas where to get those values from now?

thanks for the fast answer.
but this is actually not really what I am loking for.
I also found some other very greatlooking realtime chartsites, but what I really want is just some basic values (30day and 24h average price and volume).
I can´t find those things on bitcoinwisdom.

does anyone know where to find a btcoincharts style overview (with 30day average prices, volume, etc) which includes huobi and hitbtc (which have been dropped by bitcoincharts for some reason)?

edit:
as it seems that the most basic display of 30day and 24h averages is only found at bitcoincharts, I believe to have found found a work around with  tradingview.com and the SMMA (30) indicator - smoothed moving average that is.
This is a bit more clicks to get the data, but at least they have huobi on the radar. still looking for a solution for hitbtc...

That may be true for hi-lo extremes, but there is only so much volume you can squeeze through the exchanges at anything even close to these rates. 
As every arbitrage trade couple is bound to cause a price correction the "wiggle-room" for arbitrageurs decreases with every arbitrage trade. You can adress these issues with certain trading patterns (e.g.: iceberg or hidden trades) and delay those effects but you can not stop the prices to be pulled towards another by your trading all together.

This has a direct influence on the maximum volume which can be realised in arbitrage trades, or in other words:
it puts a hard limit on the scalability.

While a few can make relevant profits on arbitrage, the profit decreases with increasing volume at work.

That is why I don´t see arbitrage as an investement vehicle to be sustainable in any way. It does not make any economic sense.
Unless you play it very risky and use 2 or more exchanges allowing you to trade on leverage and use your customers funds as security.
That is bound to blow up in your face sooner or later.

lets do it and turn the page.

arbitrage is something you do, not invest in.

why?
well because as soon as you factor in the current risk factors in the btc world you may consider yourself lucky or rich beforehand if you make any relevant profit from it.

If you simply ignore the possibility of exchanges unexpectedly going temporarily or permanently offline the math does work in times of higher volatility than we currently have.
Right now trading volume on usd and euro accessible exchanges is simply too low to make enough to pay employees and yourself with only the fees you can charge for using someone elses money for arbitrage.

Because in principle if people invest in you arbitraging with their funds is nothing more than a credit you take at an insane return-rate.

super short: money does not grow on trees.

Waiting for this thing to blow up anytime soon.

Hello hitbtc,

could you please outline how the market maker contracts work?

what does "staying within the spread" and admissible size mean exactly?

best regards.

there are some exchanges out there for what you seem to be looking for:

1. kraken.com
2. bitstamp (yes it´s USD based trading, but you can withdraw at the corporate USD to EURO exchange rate (http://www.unicreditbank.si/tecajna_lista/?t=1&id_menu=&language=ENG) to any european sepa account.
3. hitbtc
4. anxbtc (if they have sorted out their sepa deposits and withdrawals again)
5. bitcurex (you already know).

apart from that you can also use bitcoin.de which is technically speaking a marketplace and not an exchange. (you are welcome to use my affiliate code: https://www.bitcoin.de/de/r/kbrt22 and make me filthy rich.)

concerning trust I would rate bitcoin.de, kraken and bitstamp at the top of what is available today.

edit:

concerning speed of withdrawals hitbtc and some buyers on bitcoin.de have been working very fast for me (<1 day).

with kraken, bitcurex, and bitstamp you should expect the money to arrive within 2-3 business days.
anxbtc I have not yet used for withdrawals.   

funds meanwhile received. issue resolved.

just saying, hot wallet might need some attention as tiny btc withdrawal (#147277) is "stuck" since close to ten hours.

bump.
have you found an answer elswhere?

ANX servers down? what´s going on?

cant take eyes off of BTC

seid ihr in Wien?

würde euch dann gern mal besuchen.

hallo nach amstetten,

Dein unternehmerisches Engagement in allen Ehren, aber so wie das aussieht hast Du einige Sachen nicht ganz durchdacht. Sieh das bitte als konstruktive Kritik.

1. privat/gewerblich:
was Du anbietest ist schon alleine mit dem Angebot gewerblich. Du kommst nie und nimmer mit der Tätigkeit in den Privatbereich.
Das wird va relevant, wenn das Finanzamt anklopft. Das tut es übrigens auch wenn sich herausstellt, dass was Du anbietest nicht voll legal ist (dazu gleich).
2. vieles im Bitcoin Business ist in einer rechtlichen Grauzone. Der Service den Du anbietest ist es sicher nicht. Dafür brauchst du ein ok von der FMA. Ohne dem kann Dich Hinz, Kunz (deine erhofften Kunden) und auch der Staat komplett ausziehen.
3. Volumen:
Die Volumina die Du anbietest zu kaufen/verkaufen sind mit beiden Beinen voll im Bereich in dem Geldwäsche anfängt ein Thema zu sein (>10k €). Abgesehen davon, dass das sowies illegal ist wirkst Du nicht so als könntest Du solche Größenordnungen praktisch handhaben. Wo willst Du denn die nötigen bitcoins kaufen/verkaufen? bitcoin.de? kraken? bitstamp?

fazit: ausser ich liege komplett daneben (dann entschuldige bitte), hast Du nicht den blassesten Tau worauf Du Dich da einlassen willst (steuerlich, lizenzmäßig,strafrechtlich, praktisch).

Wenn Dich das nicht überzeugt es sein zu lassen, dann mal eine kleine Anleitung wie das was Du vorhast funktionieren könnte:

1. FMA: Die sind für Dich zuständig. Dort rufst Du an und schickst denen dann Dein Geschäftsmodel.
dort werden sie Dir ziemlich sicher eine von 2 Sachen sagen:
Entweder dass Du dafür eine Banklizenz brauchst (fang gar nicht mal an darüber nachzudenken was das kostet) oder dass das was Du vorhast illegal ist.
Damit das nicht der einzige Punkt bleibt, wollen wir mal annehmen Du hättesst von der FMA grünes Licht bekommen.

2. Unternehmen gründen. Du wirst dafür ein Vehikel brauchen (nicht zuletzt um Deine Haftung zu beschränken). Wirst also bei einer GmbH landen (genug Geld für Gründung?).

3. Unternehmen führen.
Kosten: Sowas kostet. Auch wenn Du der einzige Mitarbeiter bist. Va Steuern und Abgaben - schau mal zum Gründerservice.
Risiken: Glaubst Du zB Du findest eine Versicherung die Deine Geschäfte versichert? Wieviel Verlust kannst Du Dir leisten, ohne Pleite zu gehen?

Fazit: Schaut nicht rosig aus. Tu lieber auf exchanges traden oder schliess Dich wem an, der ein bitcoin basierendes Unternehmen aufmachen will und sammle etwas Erfahrung(du bist ja nicht der einzige in Goldgräberstimmung ).

dude, if the name you give in the "impressum" on your webpage is your real name how should a transaction with you be anonymous?
maybe you should reconsider the legal implications of what you offer here when you publish your real name and adress (and your localbitcoins profile with close to no significant transactions?)

dont get me wrong I am not trying to piss you off, but are you really sure what you are doing?

wish you luck. a fellow austrian.

spoiler alert for page 5.

There is something that puzzles me about the nature of bitcoin followers traders here.
They are often highly invested in the value developement of the currency, but so little invested in the creation of that value they follow so closely.
Ofcourse certain announcements that retailer X or payment processor Y is now accepting bitcoin are mentioned, but actively doing something, setting up shop and evangelising with a profit seems to be done somewhere else.

(If you know where, I wouldn´t mind a pointer.)

 

now that is what sound advice looks like.

Some of you guys and ladies here have some very sophisticated ways of going about your trading.
I do not know any of that complicated TA (but learning...), but I sold and bought back the same handfull of coins 7 times in a row in the last 2 hours and it felt really good