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101  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 06:13:34 PM
thats an excellent post RenegadeMan

Thanks. We just need to negate the likes of Adam and iCEBREAKER for the new people who may be wondering why they're so active.
102  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 06:07:58 PM
Attention all newcomers:

Welcome!

As you can probably see this thread is seriously infected with a few people that have an agenda of discrediting Dash, the lead developer Evan Duffield and the Dash community. Most of them are from other crypto projects and have been here for some time (so in some ways we think of them as part of the furniture, ha!) but they're none too successful as the project's continued to go from strength to strength.

To understand the history of Dash and where it's come from you should read this posting by Evan Duffield over on Dashtalk.org.

https://dashtalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

Also, the constant shrill cries of "instamine, instamine!!" have been addressed by this community many many times. An example of how this has been done can be seen here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg12477586#msg12477586

One needs to make one's own mind up on these things. What you'll find is people here are pretty balanced and comfortable with both the history and current direction of Dash. This project has brought initiatives and developments into the crypto realm that haven't been implemented anywhere else. Some people involved in competing projects see this as a terrible threat and their responses show this. You'll see the fear and sense of threat they're feeling on regular display here though their "trolling" posts. Their "work" though ultimately benefits Dash as this thread is constantly bumped and is one of the most visited on Bitcointalk.

Enjoy!
103  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
question : Assume you are walking down the street and you spot a lunatic a few feet further away, desperately
approaching anyone near him to convince that person in a loud and rude way his view over a particular subject
is the one and only TRUTH .. would you :

A - ignore that person
B - stop at that person for a nice little chat

I choose to ignore that person a long long time ago..





  

I'd do the same but this situation is a little different. To the uninitiated (at first) Adam doesn't appear to be a lunatic; just a typical troll with an agenda. Pointing out his MO and lying nature is important to help newcomers see what's going on. His continued attempt to convince people that he has "facts" that prove a scam, yet he won't do anything about reporting it to law enforcement, is indicative of just how much his agenda to discredit Dash is the real reason he's here.
104  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 05:26:16 PM

 You guys are just wasting your energy. He can barely hold a synapse, let alone a valid argument.

 

Yup....
105  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 05:25:56 PM
I might just do that. In the meantime, I'll continue posting here as well.


If you had even the slightest shred of integrity it wouldn't be "I might just do that". You are claiming that there has been a major scam that would equate to many millions of dollars acquired through deception and that you have proof of it.  That is not an "I might report it" situation. If you're right a serious crime has been committed and if you don't take it to the authorities to get it investigated and the perpetrators dealt with legally then you're turning a blind eye to the crime.

But, the reality is that you know you're not going to report the continued bullshit you pump into this thread because you know it's not even remotely likely that any of it stacks up and could be denoted as a scam. We've all gone over and over it with you soooo many times it's now just very very boring.

You need to report this "crime" Adam or STFU.

Will not be responding to you any further for the moment.
106  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 05:05:40 PM

As I've said to you before, if you're so sure that Dash is a scam and you have "proof" why have you not taken this to the authorities yet?

You've been on and on about this for a long long time. What sort of person has proof and evidence of a major scam involving fintech and does nothing about it?

I think you know the answer to this. You're comfortable hiding here on this forum but you're DEFINITELY NOT comfortable taking your "evidence" to the authorities because you know there's no validity to the accusations you're levelling.

You're a pathetic and lame joke.
107  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 04:55:13 PM


Good grief you're piece of shit aren't you!

1 confirmation using BTC takes 10 minutes. Very few businesses will release goods and services on a single confirmation.

THE POINT is that Dash is fully confirmed via InstantX in well under 30 seconds (and most of us have experienced 4 seconds) so it's an entirely different proposition to BTC confirms.

You just keep posting your ignorance and your lies Adam and I'll keep pointing out that Dash has you so very worried and wobbled you just HAVE TO keep posting your lies and falsities because of the substance, depth and genuineness of this project.

You're a sad sad sad loser.
108  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 26, 2015, 04:31:34 PM
So Adam we've noticed your MO is to write posts that demonstrate ignorance and stupidity on a scale that's hard to understand. And then when someone points out what a complete fool you are, you just go to ground for a couple of days then come back like nothing happened and continue on with the same old tawdry lies and falsities.

Well mate, we're all pretty savvy here and we don't forget when you fail to respond to having your ignorance and your lack of credibility pointed out and the fact that you've been shown to lack understanding and knowledge on how crypto works. Just failing to respond DOES NOT excuse your gross stupidity and obsessively loud-mouthed dickheadedness. You really need to just go and do something useful with your life that doesn't involve sledging and lying about a crypto project like this one that has you so wobbled and threatened.



AdamWhite suggests that a single bitcoin confirmation takes about ten minutes, and that since the likelihood of a blockchain reorg is so low, for all practical purposes bitcoin transactions take only ten minutes to confirm.

I accept that. But I'm pretty sure that four seconds beats ten minutes any day of the week. Cheers AdamWhite!

That's comparing apples and oranges.  A SINGLE BTC confirmation can take 10 minutes.  The standard 6 confirmations, which is considered safe can take an hour.  Instantx transactions are considered "safe from double spend" in seconds.




6 confirmations is considered standard by who?

Like i said, the biggest alt exchange Poloniex only needs a SINGLE Bitcoin confirmation before giving you full access to your funds  Roll Eyes

Goodness gracious you're a narky argumentative prick Adam!

Poloniex is one of the only exchanges that will allow a single BTC confirmation. Everywhere else is 3 to 6 confirms and it REGULARLY takes 30 min+ to get access to your BTC.

That's THE WHOLE POINT YOU PATHETIC DICK HEAD!

BTC has VERY slow confirmation times by comparison to Dash. Yes, sometimes you can get access to your transferred BTC in 10 minutes but mostly that's the exception instead of the rule. My experience is 30 minutes is about the minimum but 45 to 75 minutes is typical.

Why don't you take your shitty negativity and stick it where the sun don't shine! (i.e. FUCK RIGHT OFF BACK TO YOUR CAVE!)
109  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 24, 2015, 02:30:14 PM
AdamWhite suggests that a single bitcoin confirmation takes about ten minutes, and that since the likelihood of a blockchain reorg is so low, for all practical purposes bitcoin transactions take only ten minutes to confirm.

I accept that. But I'm pretty sure that four seconds beats ten minutes any day of the week. Cheers AdamWhite!

That's comparing apples and oranges.  A SINGLE BTC confirmation can take 10 minutes.  The standard 6 confirmations, which is considered safe can take an hour.  Instantx transactions are considered "safe from double spend" in seconds.




6 confirmations is considered standard by who?

Like i said, the biggest alt exchange Poloniex only needs a SINGLE Bitcoin confirmation before giving you full access to your funds  Roll Eyes

Goodness gracious you're a narky argumentative prick Adam!

Poloniex is one of the only exchanges that will allow a single BTC confirmation. Everywhere else is 3 to 6 confirms and it REGULARLY takes 30 min+ to get access to your BTC.

That's THE WHOLE POINT YOU PATHETIC DICK HEAD!

BTC has VERY slow confirmation times by comparison to Dash. Yes, sometimes you can get access to your transferred BTC in 10 minutes but mostly that's the exception instead of the rule. My experience is 30 minutes is about the minimum but 45 to 75 minutes is typical.

Why don't you take your shitty negativity and stick it where the sun don't shine! (i.e. FUCK RIGHT OFF BACK TO YOUR CAVE!)
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 24, 2015, 07:40:53 AM

60 minutes for a Bitcoin confirmation?...Do you realize that Bitcoin confirmations are actually 10 minutes, and that the biggest altcoin exchange currently (Poloniex) accepts deposits after a single BTC confirmation?

Ok. Lets examine the question of whether a 10 minute confirmation time is radically different from a 30 second one in the context of Dash’s pursuit of realtime confirmations allied with privacy on a pubic blockchain.

Summary - Money Needs to be seen to Function as Cash Before Serving as a Basis for Credit
If you can’t be bothered reading on, the point of this post is that the difference between a 30 second confirmation time and a 10 minute one establishes a cryptocurrency as “cash” as distinct from a "settlement layer". The irony behind the concept of Bitcoin as a settlement layer is that historically any commodity (e.g gold) has to have demonstrated a strong role as a cash medium before being accepted as foundation for credit. For it to ignore that step is monetary suicide and consigns it to a cultural sector of mere museum-piece historical interest.

Further, that instant transactions, visibility and ultra fungibility are not just a question of convenience but one of fundamental identification by the pubic as belonging to a cash medium as opposed to a credit one.

Lets now consider the bitcoin blocksize debate, the Blockstream agenda, public vs hidden blockchains and the question of whether “trying to create electronic cash” has merit or not.



Two Pegged Currencies who’s Distinction now Matters
I urge people to reflect on the two monetary paradigms that have existed since the dawn of man - cash and credit. What’s the difference ? In today’s world there is almost none which is why we need to revisit the concept and define it properly.

The significant attributes which distinguish these two media is that in the former case (cash), we are exchanging a "money like good" as GMaxwell likes to call it, after which there is no further contractual obligation between either party since they each walk away from the transaction with a concluded trade.

In the case of credit, however, all that is exchanged is a numerical bookkeeping entry. The bookkeeping entry only implies an exchange, it doesn’t actually facilitate it and a trusted party is required to endorse the bookkeeping movement, i.e. provide unconditional conversion of a bookkeeping balance into “cash”.



Credit transactions can be made very fast for two reasons:

1) - Abstraction Since we're only transferring numbers from one 'account' to another, the notion of a transaction is abstracted away from any real interaction between the participating parties (For example, on a cryptocurrency exchange, you can swap one currency for another instantly without interacting with any of the blockchains, no matter if they are fast or slow)

2) - Centralisation the transaction can be handled by a centralised, trusted third party (with cash, it cannot)

Those two points alone define the glaring chasm between credit money and cash. Even today, those distinct paradigms still exist because credit money only manifests in bank accounts. Note the word "accounts" - that tells you all you need to know, that it's nothing more than a number. Cash on the other hand is generally accepted to mean physically portable notes which do not involve a third party and are directly exchangeable for goods without the need for secondary bookkeeping entries.

What's the Practical Difference Between Credit and Cash ?
As AdamWhite has correctly pointed out, bitcoin can potentially "clear" in about 10 minutes. Compared to most clearing banks, that's pretty fast because most of them take hours or days to clear and that's why the world's financial markets are full of payment processors who jump ahead of them and only use banks as a so called "settlement layer". i.e. when you buy your cornflakes at the supermarket till, your bank account doesn't get impacted for hours because a payment processor is buffering the exchange by moving numbers around in computer memory to get you out of the store fast so that the next person can buy their cornflakes.

On the other hand, if you paid cash for your cornflakes a very different set of conditions arises:

[1] - there is no third party involved as far as you are concerned

[2] - the transaction is "instantaneous" in the sense that it doesn't require any clearing time, but it may take 1-2 minutes of 'practical time' once you find all the coins you need in your pocket, the till operator works out your change, gives you it, physically opens the drawer and denominates your payment into coin compartments etc

Bitcoin is Heading for the Credit Money Space and Dash for the Cash Money Space - Why ?
Bitcoin's original mission was to function as electronic cash. When I say "electronic cash", I don't just mean that in a loose definition of money, I mean in the strict definition that I defined above - i.e.

a) it performs the function on an electronic platform that gold did on a physical platform (didn’t need a third party superstructure to give it value)
b) a transaction you can walk away from
c) a transaction you can walk away from anonymously

However, after 6 years of life, bitcoin is rapidly throwing in the towel in this persuit. There are two reasons for that:

a) - a confirmation time of 10 minutes, though fast in the context of a "settlement layer" is useless as what's commonly perceived as a cash medium. (You can wait 30 seconds for your change but not 10 minutes. A payment processor is required)

b) - it has a major governance problem on its hands which has paralysed its ability to adapt quickly to its rising popularity and adoption

In the light of the above two points, bitcoin has only one option - to move its commercial interface from a monetary cash paradigm to a credit one. i.e. allow the blockchain to remain more or less static technologically while pushing all the technological load upstream onto "trusted third parties" who will provide the points of access for the public (that's your payment processors like Visa etc). What they hope for is that this in turn will engender value in the underlying crypto.

How realistic is this Proposal ?
I don't think there's much controversy about what I've described above. If there was, Blockstream would not be working on sidechains, the Lightning network etc. The controversy surrounds the question of bitcoin's viability as a "monetary base" under such conditions while it doesn't even function widely as cash. I have a couple of things to say about that - both favourable for bitcoin and unfavourable:

In the physical world, the ability of a monetary base to function as cash is fairly fundamental. "Instantaneity" is integral to that. A bar of gold can be exchanged in an instant. A coin can be exchanged in an instant (subject to the practical delays I outlined above, like reaching into your pocket). There is no form of cash that mankind has ever invented that is not instantaneous in the sense that it is visible while the other guy has it, visible while it changes hands and visible once you have it.

Here’s what Dash is trying to do”



As for bitcoin, a 10 minute confirmation time is characteristic of credit money, not cash money (due to the need for payment processors to make it work practically as cash). Reflecting on that fact, gold was cash money and bitcoin was fashioned after gold. For bitcoin to function as a "settlement layer" it should first have to prove itself as a cash medium as gold did for centuries.

It has not done that to date with any significant level of adoption. Meanwhile, the network is running out of transactional bandwidth. The Bitcoin developers are hoping therefore that they can jump straight to the credit paradigm without "passing go”. If dispassionate monetary analytics have anything to say about this, the approach will not succeed. It may succeed on other grounds (e.g. that people are just so used to credit money by now that they accept it) but then it will have to inherit the legacy of the very financial system that it purports to replace. It will never acquire a monetary identity - nor value - independently of the payment processors who support it.

Here’s what bitcoin (post throwing in the towel on becoming "cash") is now trying to do:



(Translation: Visa bought an implementation of Blockstream's 'Lightning Network", marketed it, when the whole financial system collapsed confidence in bitcoin sunk with it because it was never seen as cash, Visa fronted it).

Why is it Important for a Crypto to Work as Cash ?
In the sense of an immediately tradeable medium, free of counterparties, gold is cash. Grain is cash. Oil is cash and coal is cash. By the definitions above, even "guvpaper" is cash. The only reason people accept credit money (numbers in their account) is because they think it’s convertible to cash which they recognise by virtue of having experience of transacting with it directly. If bitcoin skips this phase by targeting credit money as its main market, it will never achieve a valuation thats independent of the banking and payment networks that front it.

The objective that the Dash project has set itself - to function as optimal electronic cash - is therefore absolutely consistent with the centuries old legacy of value bearing media. It is also consistent with ultimately functioning as a far more viable "settlement layer" than bitcoin due to the high priority it places on monetary independence. Bitcoin is just hoping to hell that that Visa will save its skin by acquiring an implementation of the Lightning network.

What is the Worst Case Scenario for Dash ?
Even if bitcoin were to succeed in its leap of faith and established itself as a basis for credit without ever having functioned significantly as a cash medium, we can still estimate what Dash’s potential marketcap would be if it only aspired to capturing the cash market and not the credit one. (As an example, if any cryptocurrency were to acquire only half a percent of the cash market in a single small country such as the UK, it would need a market cap of 30-40 times that of Dash, including ALL masternode collateral).

Crypto-economy Politics
Can you see how everything is starting to shape up ?

The community is polarising into two camps. (a) Those who attempt to reconcile electronic money with universal physical money and (b) Those who see money as a bookkeeping exercise. There are two key ways to tell which people are which:

[1] - the "bookkeeping" people always use personal pronouns when referring to blockchain addresses (which is about as realistic in monetary terms as expecting a gold nugget to emerge out of the ground with somebody’s name on it. If you don't see any distinction there then you're in the 'numbers is money camp')

[2] - the "bookkeeping" people value privacy over monetary value. Any sane analysis of history shows that privacy only becomes an issue once monetary value is established. The public blockchain is fundamental to this because simply, the more exposure something has the more valuable it is. Monetarily, the only property that can reconcile these two apparently conflicting priorities is maximum fungibility in full public view - i.e. the cash paradigm. (The credit paradigm being a record keeping one, out of the public view)

In conclusion, I see bitcoin and its supporters increasingly in the 'we are credit money' camp. The clamour for cryptocurrency superstructures such as payment channels and sidechains is becoming deafening. Those in the bitcoin 'inner circle' attempting to resist the clamour, such as Gavin and Mike Hearn are increasingly in a minority. The rest are going to have their way it appears, many of whom are people with scant regard for monetary history or for seeing bitcoin prevail as an independent cash medium.

The fact that they thought they could skip that step will come back to haunt them for years to come IMO and may even arrest bitcoin's ascendancy to universal acceptance as a fundamental store of value.


You are one of the most interesting and inspiring posters in this thread Toknormal. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into these posts. You think through these aspects (and their associated definitions) very deeply before you write them up and your use of nicely formatted .png images has not gone unnoticed too.

PS - I've quoted it in full to see it reproduced within the thread a second time and am keeping a copy in case it's deleted (which would be ridiculous but hardly surprising)


Edit: Updated Tok's quote after he made some revisions to the original
111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Automated posting on: September 23, 2015, 12:12:15 PM


Does anyone actually use the 3D presentation of these chart images? I just tried putting some red/green glasses on and what I saw was fairly uninspiring. Seeing them in 3D certainly doesn't make them suddenly mean a whole lot more or convey more comparison data. I think it's a gimmick.
112  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 23, 2015, 11:00:36 AM


I'm disappointed an Aussie version was left out.

The opening would be something like this:

"Hey mate, stop rootin' around with those guv crap excuse-for-money shit dollars,
What you need to get inta ya is Dash mate!
It's a bloody ripper,
You just download this wallet thingy, go to one of em kryptonite exchanges and buy sum Dash and stick it in there,
then you can send this shit anywhere in seconds!
Dunno how it works but geez it's a beaudiful thing!
There's gunna be blokes and sheilas payin' out on each other with this stuff, I'm tellin ya it's gonna be huge mate!
When those bloody Fed bastards have finally screwed the entire world one time too many, Dash'll be where it's at mate!
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Dash - ged it inta ya!"


If I may add right to the end.

"
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Coolest thing 'eva, frostier than Fosters. But it not gonna taste like dingo pee.
It's snappier than a wallabe chasing koala.
Dash - ged it inta ya!

See, you alway need to at least reference InstantX and Fosters. It' mandatory  Grin

ROFL - local dialect friendly, I didn't know koala bears could even run, I thought they just hung around in trees eating snacks  Grin

https://youtu.be/HbmzR0TdFXc?t=2m29s

death by teddy bear Cheesy

That koala's psycho! And I'm here in the same city as it! Feeling very unsettled after seeing this....
113  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 23, 2015, 10:59:10 AM


I'm disappointed an Aussie version was left out.

The opening would be something like this:

"Hey mate, stop rootin' around with those guv crap excuse-for-money shit dollars,
What you need to get inta ya is Dash mate!
It's a bloody ripper,
You just download this wallet thingy, go to one of em kryptonite exchanges and buy sum Dash and stick it in there,
then you can send this shit anywhere in seconds!
Dunno how it works but geez it's a beaudiful thing!
There's gunna be blokes and sheilas payin' out on each other with this stuff, I'm tellin ya it's gonna be huge mate!
When those bloody Fed bastards have finally screwed the entire world one time too many, Dash'll be where it's at mate!
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Dash - ged it inta ya!"


If I may add right to the end.

"
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Coolest thing 'eva, frostier than Fosters. But it not gonna taste like dingo pee.
It's snappier than a wallabe chasing koala.
Dash - ged it inta ya!

See, you alway need to at least reference InstantX and Fosters. It' mandatory  Grin

ROFL - local dialect friendly, I didn't know koala bears could even run, I thought they just hung around in trees eating snacks  Grin

https://youtu.be/HbmzR0TdFXc?t=2m29s

death by teddy bear Cheesy

There you go! Dash vs Bitcoin double-spend confirmation analogy 1 second vs 60 minutes.  Grin
No wonder the big koala is in a bad mood.

 What do you call a fight between a big kaola in a bad mood beating the crap out of a little koala?

 Koala-Core vs Koala-XT  Grin

 See what I did there? And auto-theymos-post-delete non-subliminal message.


If mprep doesn't get you theymos will.... (enjoy while it lasts)


114  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 23, 2015, 10:56:22 AM


I'm disappointed an Aussie version was left out.

The opening would be something like this:

"Hey mate, stop rootin' around with those guv crap excuse-for-money shit dollars,
What you need to get inta ya is Dash mate!
It's a bloody ripper,
You just download this wallet thingy, go to one of em kryptonite exchanges and buy sum Dash and stick it in there,
then you can send this shit anywhere in seconds!
Dunno how it works but geez it's a beaudiful thing!
There's gunna be blokes and sheilas payin' out on each other with this stuff, I'm tellin ya it's gonna be huge mate!
When those bloody Fed bastards have finally screwed the entire world one time too many, Dash'll be where it's at mate!
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Dash - ged it inta ya!"


If I may add right to the end.

"
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Coolest thing 'eva, frostier than Fosters. But it not gonna taste like dingo pee.
It's snappier than a wallabe chasing koala.
Dash - ged it inta ya!

See, you alway need to at least reference InstantX and Fosters. It' mandatory  Grin

Ha! Bonza mate!
115  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 23, 2015, 02:44:10 AM

Stocks on the slide again.

The London market's about to give up 3 years of gains and drop back below 6000.

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?cid=12590587

This place is nearly out of all types of silver bullion. I've been monitoring it for a couple of years. It seems all thats left is a couple of types of 100g bar, the 50g and a 1 kilo bar.

There's talk of physical retail bulllion completely drying up and the Comex being near default levels. (But there's been "talk" of that for 5 years. Now there seems to be "really" talk  Shocked  )  Wink

http://seekingalpha.com/article/3522396-comex-available-gold-continues-to-drop-and-why-that-should-matter-for-investors

This is a pretty interesting interview  Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpZZHeVwFPU

****** EDIT *********

6000 going...going....



...GONE.

The London market is back to April 2012. So much for 3 years of money printing. Not even equities - the most bubbly of assets - could hang onto it. It's froth on a cappucino.



We're following through on your lead Toknormal. Lunchtime here in Oz but market's a shade off 2% down. It may recover this afternoon, but given how badly the FTSE and DAX faired, possibly will keep sliding until we're 3%+ off the open.

23rd Sep, last day of Shemitah too. Will be interesting to see what happens with you guys later today and NYSE/Nasdaq tonight.

Glad I pulled everything out into cash (and then some of that into crypto) as it's looking dreadful.
116  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 23, 2015, 02:03:21 AM
Very much appreciate your work here Sir Alpha_goy. Even if I don't agree with all your assessments, you're adding considerable substance and value to the consideration of these two alts that (as you've pointed out) are so important to what's going on in crypto in general. Thanks.
117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2015, 12:58:04 AM
21 inc are either geniuses so far ahead of the curve we can't even see it, or goats enjoying splurging a fuck ton of money on convoluted junk. I very much look forward to finding out which they are and hopefully we'll know soon.

I vote geniuses!
https://elux.svbtle.com/the-21-inc-computer-is-the-new-altair-8800


Nah, I think he had his tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek while he typed this and was rolling his eyes....

Are you sure?
https://www.reddit.com/user/brg444

No.

Maybe I had MY tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek and was rolling MY his eyes when I made that comment.
118  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX on: September 23, 2015, 12:31:34 AM


 This is worth a blank quote because you're the de-facto troll that unknowingly are doing us more good than harm, which is an ever so delightful pradoxical irony.

 These weren't released yet, because we didn't want to steal too much prime time from the astounding success of the original video.

 Amateur Recording;

 Chinese Mandarin - community driven, no cost, no complaints.

Professional recordings - community driven, no cost, no complaints.

 Native American - out already (original community funded)
 Native French - ready, release soon
 Native Greek - ready, release soon
 Native Portuguese (europe) - ready, release soon
 Russian - out already
 
Professional recordings - may have extra costs, some community members are seeking community folk to contribute

 Brazilian Portuguese - pro connection established - awaiting cost
 Southern American Spanish - pro connection established - awaiting cost
 Classic Arabic - pro connection established - awaiting cost
 Hindi - no contacts done so far because I totally missed it, thank you for reminding me (see, trolls do have a pathogenic symbiotic purpose after all)
 Japanese - pro connections made - awaiting cost

 And these alone cover about 90% of the world's population.

 Muchas gracias seńor Adán Blanco.

  Kiss

I'm disappointed an Aussie version was left out.

The opening would be something like this:

"Hey mate, stop rootin' around with those guv crap excuse-for-money shit dollars,
What you need to get inta ya is Dash mate!
It's a bloody ripper,
You just download this wallet thingy, go to one of em kryptonite exchanges and buy sum Dash and stick it in there,
then you can send this shit anywhere in seconds!
Dunno how it works but geez it's a beaudiful thing!
There's gunna be blokes and sheilas payin' out on each other with this stuff, I'm tellin ya it's gonna be huge mate!
When those bloody Fed bastards have finally screwed the entire world one time too many, Dash'll be where it's at mate!
I'm getting in now while the going's good. You'd be a complete dickhead to miss it.
Dash - ged it inta ya!"
119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2015, 12:17:08 AM
21 inc are either geniuses so far ahead of the curve we can't even see it, or goats enjoying splurging a fuck ton of money on convoluted junk. I very much look forward to finding out which they are and hopefully we'll know soon.

I vote geniuses!
https://elux.svbtle.com/the-21-inc-computer-is-the-new-altair-8800


Nah, I think he had his tongue-firmly-planted-in-cheek while he typed this and was rolling his eyes....
120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: September 23, 2015, 12:00:29 AM
Good morning Bitcoinland.

I see we had a little action last night but we seem to be coming back to $230 pretty consistently lately.

Must be driving the daytraders crazy. Long-term holders yawn.

What is actually our (long term hodling cult, inc.) target? 10 000? 100 000?? 1 000 000???

Putting a dollar value on it is difficult. I hope to never sell any bitcoins for fiat currency but rather spend them for goods and services. Who knows what the dollar will be worth?

That said, I'd hope to see at least $10k within a few years, in today's dollars. If the dollar tanks, multiply accordingly.

It's virtually impossible to forecast this teasing investment called bitcoin! But one thing everyone needs to remember, just when it looks like the thing's going nowhere fast and "nothing is happening" it could take off. When BTC first jumped into the $ hundreds it didn't stay there too long before dropping back into double digits again. But then meandered along for six months between ~$70 and ~$130 seemingly like the ATH had been reached and "those glory days are now over". Well, I believe we're in the same situation with the next massive pump not too far away. Considering the diabolical situation with fiat across the world and the Fed having backed themselves into such an inextricable corner, it could come at any moment. The trick will be to have enough patience that you don't miss it.

How silly would you have felt selling all your BTC in early Oct 2013 to then see it go through that miraculous rise? The next rise is likely to make that previous ATH look tame so be ready for it.

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