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101  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Beyond Bitcoin: Decentralising other public institutions on: September 04, 2011, 06:33:54 PM
I thought of this too, but in reality it always ends in clusterfuck.

The only true democracy would be all people voting on every single issue ever, always. And it would be entirely possible too if you could see public verifiable votes on everything, and whatever you vote with (phone app, computer) can also recount and confirm your vote later on. 

BUT then you start to realize... the majority of people are fucking idiots. And the system would devolve into everyone voting however lady gaga does... and then we are all wearing government mandated meat suits by friday.

Sooo really, the true answer to politics would be actual engineers and professors voting on things, but thats never going to happen.



Bitcoins as well has "ended in clusterfuck" in my eyes. Its a hackers wet dream, and the theft and hacking will only get worse and worse until bitcoins are worthless and they stop trying.





i have pondered doing just that.

its kind of simple really. all you do is have a neighborhood issue themselves private keys, one per person that is eligible to vote. each neighborhood would have voting inspectors. then in each state, all the neighborhood voting inspectors report to the state voting office. then each state reports to the national voting office. to vote for something, all you do is sign a document that states your wishes or something.

to ensure there is only 1 vote per person, you test their dna, you do not keep any information other than the dna, no names or pictures or anything, because you don't need it. all you do is show up at the neighborhood voting office, they take your dna, and you give them your public key. they would not accept dna that they did not witness firsthand.

so heres the proces,
show up at the local voting office
give them your dna and a public key

in the case of twins, both must show up at the same time, they will have separate keys, but they will be able to have 2 keys per 1 dna.
I'm not giving my DNA to the feds. It took long enough to make them delete my SSN - why would I want them to be able to clone me?!
102  Other / Off-topic / Re: How BTC changed my life on: September 04, 2011, 04:59:42 PM
I'm going to find you OP.


Because after this, the world needs justice.
There is no justice in a world where governments steal the sweat of a man's brow.
103  Other / Off-topic / Re: Freemasons Shut Down Public Access to Somethingaweful Bitcoin (SA) Forums on: September 04, 2011, 04:33:07 PM
I'm passing on a message from a somethingsmellsawful forum member:
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While your list is thankfully incomplete, and you've labeled a couple of people as Masons who are not, this list is war. We had not intended our thread to be viewable to your forum, and we did not intend to have our sensitive personal information exposed in such a way. This, bitrebel, changes things. We cannot be concerned with just watching BitCoin's inevitable fall anymore. We must now deal with those who would attempt to expose us personally.

We already have as much information as we need. Unlike you, we have no need to scatter this information on the internet. We will bide our time, make small moves when we feel we need to, and you will never be sure if your misfortune is coincidence or us.

As to the specifics of your list, I would like to point out that JeffK actually has no relation to us, though we appreciate his work. I'm sure you will take this as us trying to deceive you, but truth be told he has no idea what we are doing. He is a useful messenger, but if you think we're stupid enough to use one of our own as a messenger, one who could have their IP traced by the administration or intercepted through corrupted Tor nodes.

Your cryptocurrency is at an end. There is no sacrificial lamb, just another fucked goat. We've done this before with eGold. with the Icelandic Kronur, and with the early 90's POG market. If you think our presence would be known before it was already too late for you, then you are sadly mistaken.

The goat is a metaphor in a way. After we have finished our work, the internal workings of your system are shredded. So it goes with the goat. The Square, The Compass, the Eye in the Pyramid, the Grenade. These are all symbols we use to subliminally control people. Perhaps you haven't opened your eyes lately. The world already thinks you are paranoid idiots. In truth, you are, but your paranoia has torched any truth you may have found.

If you appreciate our work as a Secret Society, donations are accepted through 17ngddEzMsq2NG7eFmgyzXQw8h9qHpdyg5

-WAFFLEHOUND
104  Other / Off-topic / Re: Has anyone bought gold or silver from these guys? on: September 03, 2011, 07:26:40 PM
Good morning fellow bitcoiners!

I'm in a silver buying mood this morning and a friend told me about a company called APMEX. They sell gold and silver coinage and bullion at pretty decent prices. I'm wondering though if anyone has any experience with them? What do you think about them?

Thanks!
Rage
You sound amazingly like a shill.
105  Other / Off-topic / How BTC changed my life on: September 03, 2011, 02:32:17 PM
It all started when I was 17. I remember that it was a hot summer; the crickets were chirping and dad hadn’t beaten me for a few days. He did that sometimes, when he was drunk and I’d been a worthless parasite. I tried hard in school but even so I was still leeching off him. Knowing that made me feel worthless, because it is the strong man who provides for the weak and I was weak. His fists were not violent, it was my impotent sloth that was violent, my lack of industry that forced my father to pay the bills. Such violence is not compassion.

I hope one day to be the man that my father is, the man that he dreamed that I could be. I’ll show him my strength and then he will love me.

It was almost time for the robot championships - we’d placed in the top 50th percentile last year - and I’d spent weeks sketching designs. Tall robots; squat robots; robots to catch and robots to throw; robots with a thousand dongs, each hanging from a hundred other dongs, each dong whirling like a throbbing dervish. The latter was to give the coup de grâce to my demoralised enemies, an android teabagging if you will.

Clem came round that morning. I clearly remember the excitement in her face as she opened his laptop - bought for her by her parents, the leech - and started a strange program. She was shaking a little, and since father blocked the air conditioning vents in my room, she was sweating slightly from the heat.

One day I will marry Clem, if she remains pure and finds a suitable job with good benefits. I could never marry a lesser creature, one of the unclean. “What Would Ayn Do?” was my motto and I strove to meet her expectations, at least so far as I understood them. We’d never touched, for she was not of that type, but I knew we had a quiet, unvoiced connection. She could be mine if I truly asked.

Confused by her awkward excitement, I stammered my bewilderment. “What is it?”

“It’s amazing! My brother showed me. You run this program and it makes Chuck E. Cheese coupons or something.” Still excited, her face was tinged with uncertainty. Was it: will he like it? Or perhaps: do I even know what I am talking about? That had never stopped us before, not when we started the Objectivist Lunch Table, nor when we threw those rocks at old Mr. Gillard when he put that Local 602 sticker on his car. His VFW buddies had chased us but we knew we were in the right. We knew.

I showed her my teeth as mother had taught me, trying to calm Clem from her agitation. The program beeped a successful note and something popped onscreen about blocks. My father had never given me any blocks as a child. I’d resorted to carving some from the cheddar that the government had given me after my emancipation. My father had been so proud to emancipate me: he’d called it my 10th birthday present, a coming of age and the beginning of my long road to manhood. I was no longer dependent upon him, for he’d passed me off to society at large.

“What happened?”
“We just mined a bitcoin!”
“A what?”
“It’s really cool! It’s like money except on a computer. You can’t buy anything with it, of course, because no one gives a shit and it’s completely pointless but my brother says that it will change the world.”

I spent the next week frantically searching online. On the third day I made a fantastic discovery: a program called Google that lets me look for things. It was like going to the library and bugging Mrs. Rudd to show me where the von Mises biographies were but without the blank look and the awkward shuffling away. It found things! I found things! Bitcoin was a revolution and I was going to be at the forefront, blasting aside the old order of tax violence and oppression and replacing it with a new world of poorly regulated currency, volatility, child pornography, poverty, fraud, and smug ignorance! Bitcoin was the answer!

My heart raced and I blacked out. An hour? Two hours? When I awoke, I was naked from the waist down and my thighs were sticky. Someone had drawn my secret dongbot design on the floorboards and my mouth tasted of garlic. I pulled myself unsteadily to my feet - I had to stop wasting time, for a new day was dawning.
106  Economy / Marketplace / Re: [ANN] BitcoinCloset - Show Your Bitcoin Pride! on: September 03, 2011, 02:29:29 PM
When I hear "Bitcoin Pride" I picture a bunch of fat hairy nerds in rainbow outfits marching down the street to Donna Summers songs. Might want to rethink that.
107  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange accidentally sent 512 bitcoins after coding error on: September 03, 2011, 02:24:13 PM
I suggest everyone stop arguing with the idiots on here that are justifying the illegal acts. I have heard some much absolute ignorant BS come out , it' numbing my brain. They are literally puling shit out of their ass.

Ownership is a conclusion of law . The wiki has no authority to make any conclusion as to ownership that is binding. It was written in a general sense.

Bitcoin was released under license. Taking an not returning someones coins is depriving them of access to the network that they otherwise would have. The benefit of a license is a property right . Get it through your thick skulls. All the mental and verbal gymnastics in the world are not going to change that.

I bet 100 BTC this guy has a legally enforceable right in Oregon to recover his right of access or it's worth in money.

I've never seen a forum which had some of the dumbest and smartest people I've ever seen  simultaneously.

Please, go read a legal book before speaking. This isn't even a difficult case to adjudicate.
Good lord. You're calling other people stupid but you come across as borderline illiterate.
108  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has Bruce talked at all about the accusations of fraud against him? on: September 03, 2011, 02:05:03 PM
Bbit, do you honestly think people are paid to come here and discredit others?  Trying to have a decent discussion here about an important matter and we could do without your trolling.

He's actually correct, MollyR who only has 16 posts. Sit back down little girl, and let the man speak.
Your misogyny is strangely compelling. Please do go on.
109  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust No One on: September 03, 2011, 02:03:34 PM
Well, every action you take - no matter on the internet, real world, real money or virtual as bitcoin - you should always begin with no trust rule.
You must be a very lonely man.
110  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: If SA really wants to troll bitcoin... on: September 03, 2011, 02:01:54 PM
Its a lot harder to troll the  solidcointalk forum.
...because there's no one there?
111  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Trust No One on: September 03, 2011, 04:03:55 AM
MyBitcoin was not as secure as MTGox but was very reliable at the time
True! They had 100% reliability until they ran off with everyone's BTC.

Also, hiding something under a brick in the park is more secure than MTGOX.
112  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange accidentally sent 512 bitcoins after coding error on: September 03, 2011, 04:00:27 AM
Mr. and Mrs. 1 and 11 posts , you have no idea what your talking about. The law always works around new inventions and always has.
There is a legal maxim. For every  right , there is a remedy. Bitcoin was released under the MIT License. So there is a right of use. A court of equity will fashion a remedy suited for the controversy.

AS far as enforcing said title. I could , if phantomcircuit would sell me his claim. That's called an assignment of a chose in action. He called also do  what is called a election of remedies. He can waive the tort and sue in assumpsit  for the received value of the stolen items.


Seriously you guys haven't a clue in the world. You are talking out your ass.


It really doesn't matter what legal gibberish you can spout or what your briefs say, any judge is simply going to look at it, not understand any of it, and tell you to get out of his court room before he fines you for contempt. You may think you're a legal expert but this is how that sort of esoteric technology is handled in a court that deals in fiat money and physical property.
113  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: hahahaha lowtax is a fraudster too..the guy who runs somethingawful. on: September 03, 2011, 03:55:04 AM
SomethingAwful is currently under investigation because their movie reviewers use bootleg copies of movies.
They do movie reviews? I thought that was just a troll site full of channers or something. I need to go look.
I just googled and found a section called "The Horrors of

OH GOD WHAT AM I SEEING
114  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: hahahaha lowtax is a fraudster too..the guy who runs somethingawful. on: September 03, 2011, 03:53:20 AM
SomethingAwful is currently under investigation because their movie reviewers use bootleg copies of movies.
They do movie reviews? I thought that was just a troll site full of channers or something. I need to go look.
115  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Has Bruce talked at all about the accusations of fraud against him? on: September 03, 2011, 03:51:17 AM
Yes Bruce Wagner has responded multiple times. Here and in IRC. He has responded with dodges, lies, and half-apologies. The mortgage fraud was just mismanagement and he's really sorry for it, he never said he called the fbi just that he talked to them, etc,etc etc.

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Really, I honestly wish the Thailand/child prostitute stuff never got brought into the whole mess, because while it is certainly alarming, it is mostly completely circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous evidence and makes the whole thing look like a bad talk show episode. (Yes, I realize it is alarming and Bruce somewhat brought in on himself by his freakishly vociferous defending of Pattaya as the next location for a bitcoin conference. Why? I have no idea.)

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Mostly it is clear that he is a dodgy guy with a dodgy past that quite possibly screwed a lot of people out of money. This plus the fact that he was not only the biggest promoter of mybitcoin but supposedly lost 25k coins to them AND was supposedly paid back but refuses to provide any confirmation of that transaction makes me a lot more worried that he is currently scamming lots of people out of their money.

I have no idea why anyone in the bitcoin community would continue to defend him at this point. This project went from interesting open source project to some sort of shrill tribalism and cultishness in just a few months. Quite breathtaking actually. One minute bitcoin was a prototype, the next minute it was being sold as the One True Currency. One minute the forums were a useful place to talk about bitcoin, the next minute they were Our Home and Under Attack.

There are other places where interesting talk is happening around complementary currencies and both the advantages and limitations of the current blockchain technologies. But that place isn'[t here.

I applaud the developers for remaining largely clear of the fray and still focusing on the big picture of what is important about bitcoin.



Why do you hate bitcoin?  You are obviously a troll who seeks to destroy it by simply accepting what has been planted. 

Gerken your a troll aren't you ?
Is there anyone on this board that you don't think is a troll? You seem rather paranoid.
116  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: List of top Bitcoin Laundries. Please contribute. on: September 03, 2011, 03:47:16 AM
Wonder how many coins from mybitcoin will go through something like this.
117  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: September 03, 2011, 03:46:08 AM
Gruvie

After my Newbie probation is over, May I move my topic from here to an appropriate forum or will that be looked down upon as double posting?

You can actually move your topic. The link will appear at the bottom of all of your topics once you are no longer a newbie.

Interesting. I've never seen a forum give regular users permission to do that before.
118  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Exchange accidentally sent 512 bitcoins after coding error on: September 03, 2011, 03:42:50 AM
You'd have to be crazy to go to the police or a lawyer over this. Any judge or copper is - at best - just going to ask you what you're jabbering on about.

Anyone suggesting lawsuits or prosecution is weird.
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