I have a friend who can hash SHA 256 on an abacus.
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Aeon will fork, making these far less special.
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How does he keep it so cold in an asylum haha
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I don't quite understand the need for a lengthy discussion when obviously the translated spec sheet shows the pandaminer mines 230 MH/s while consuming 1600w whereas the E3 does 180 MH/s at only 800w. Thats like comparing pandaminer's 7 watts per 1 MH to bitmain's 4.5watts per 1 MH.
Seems pretty clear that the E3 is much more efficient and profitable option. I hope pandaminer gave that to you to review for free.
pandaminer 1600W is just PSU spec not the consumption. Consumption should be around 1050W. B3 is 1250w on eth, if the b3 was 180mh like the e3, it would be a little over 1000w. Makes the e3 about 200w more efficient at the same hashrate. |
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Hey Bittwam
Do you think these guys are legit? How were they sold out in less that 48 hrs?
I'm also interested in 1 pc
They are legit, i got one off the last groupbuy. They dont make many. Resellers get a lot of em. |
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It needs an upgrade, rx470 just dont cut it in profits for other algos. Eth is ok on it. Not as efficient as e3 true, but It does have more flexibility than a e3, but its not very good at other algos.
A few hundred more and you can get a octominer board and 8 nvidias or upgraded amds, and those cards are resellable to gamers unlike the modules on the b3, and better on non eth algos. Used cards would be the way to go.
I Never attempted using another os. Figured it would cause issues. Glad i didnt risk it it after what happened to you vosk. Its not worth the trouble.
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Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.
I unignored you to see if MAYBE your next reply would be an apology. Apparently not... Instead, you want to get involved in a shout match and make false accusations. You ASSUME I made no profit with my ASIC's of old when I actually did. Barely... But I did... Now, I'll actually ignore you for 24 hours to give you time to think logically without emotions clouding your mind then unignore you to see if you have come to your senses. And honestly, you really are acting PATHETIC right now. 24 hour ignore implemented after this post. You barely made a profit you say, that will leave me with a bias too, how many u buy again.. oh dam. Well sorry to hear that , theres my sorry. |
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Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.
I unignored you to see if MAYBE your next reply would be an apology. Apparently not... Instead, you want to get involved in a shout match and make false accusations. You ASSUME I made no profit with my ASIC's of old when I actually did. Barely... But I did... Now, I'll actually ignore you for 24 hours to give you time to think logically without emotions clouding your mind then unignore you to see if you have come to your senses. And honestly, you really are acting PATHETIC right now. 24 hour ignore implemented after this post. Lol couldnt help yaself |
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This is all about above, just because someones a low poster or a newbie doesnt automatically make them a shriller, forking is futile.
All you're doing now is searching through my posts for ANY EXCUSE to find fault with me to TRY to justify a means and/or reason to continue in your own insanity fostered by your own greed and BITMAIN's ILLUSION. Plain and simple. You started it IF that's what you think, then I'll finish it. IGNORED>>> I'm NOT going to get involved in another shouting match. Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant. |
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This is all about above, just because someones a low poster or a newbie doesnt automatically make them a shriller, forking is futile.
All you're doing now is searching through my posts for ANY EXCUSE to find fault with me to TRY to justify a means and/or reason to continue in your own insanity fostered by your own greed and BITMAIN's ILLUSION. Plain and simple. You started it |
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And calling us pathetic..
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It will be sweet when they decide forking is a losing battle.
Another "NEW" account shilling. Having fun, BITMAIN? I suspect not.... GPUs are WAY more available to get then ASICs. To say GPUs are currently hard to get is incorrect. Sure there was a month or 2 when they were overpriced, that was due to the high demand when they had a ROI of 90 days. Even then you could still buy a smaller graphics card, they were not ALL sold out. The 1070/1080 TIs were the hard ones to get, other models were more available. What advantage would we have if everyone moved to ASICs? It would just raise the current bar for everyone, reduce us to one supplier of hardware, and starts a arms race. Atleast with GPUs we are all on a level playing field without having to worry someone will have a GPU that does x100 the hashrate for 1/10th the power. All the hardware is relatively close to each other in terms of performance, keeping the difficulty from ramping up x10-x100. ASICs dont save power, they dont make the network more secure, they are limited in availability, only have 3 to 6 month warrantys, run loud and hot, manufacturers keep a large number of the them for themselves and keep secret other rigs that are far better then sell them as new later while replacing them with new hardware, etc... This is suppose to be a ASIC resistant coin, why dont you ASIC people go mine other ASIC coins available. Ohhhh ya thats right, you cant make your money back off them ASIC coins anymore because of the difficulty have ramped up so much. So you want to come and ruin Zcash’s difficulty with ASICs to make a quick buck and act like its the future of mining. I'm HERE to tell you, that QUICK buck is an ILLUSION.Most who KNOW me, know I've been in the space for a while and have had a LOT of experience with BITMAIN. My LAST round of ASIC's I bought from them was 42 x Bitmain S7's in late 2015. All of which I sold in February 2016 and never looked back. I USED to be the one to DEFEND them when they were attacked by others and I believe many KNOW this. THEN I TOOK THE RED PILL AND WOKE UP in February, 2016!!! I did a LOT of research and weighing pros and cons of GPU versus ASIC. ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of.This is all about above, just because someones a low poster or a newbie doesnt automatically make them a shriller, forking is futile. |
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Your looking into FPGAs? To buy them i assume.. Your a hypocrite!
Please be careful when accusing someone without gathering all evidence to support your accusation. You also need to read previous posts of mine in this forum: NOTE THE PURPLE TEXT IN THAT QUOTE:Most who KNOW me, know I've been in the space for a while and have had a LOT of experience with BITMAIN. My LAST round of ASIC's I bought from them was 42 x Bitmain S7's in late 2015. All of which I sold in February 2016 and never looked back. I USED to be the one to DEFEND them when they were attacked by others and I believe many KNOW this. THEN I TOOK THE RED PILL AND WOKE UP in February, 2016!!! I did a LOT of research and weighing pros and cons of GPU versus ASIC. ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of.Your accusing people of shrilling for bitmain cause they are pro zec non fork |
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Your looking into FPGAs? To buy them i assume.. Your a hypocrite!
You have no idea, dude. Be careful what you say, before writing it down. Tell me what the difference is between ALL FPGA Manufacturers and one monopolistic manufacturer called, BITMAIN... The only difference between an FPGA and a GPU is it can be programmed to mine most ANY algo. However, we don't have the concern of one manufacturer DOMINATING like we do BITMAIN do we? Your against zec not forking but you want to be apart of a new miner that will destroy the profit of gpu mining for Cn7 and zec and zec if it forks. An FPGA that will greatly centralize hashrate to 1 or 2 major FPGA manufacturers, oh that arent bitmain. |
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Theres a lot you dont know about asics if the last one you bought was in 2015. I mine on gpus too, i dont hate them , i just know their beat. They are inefficient and becoming more obsolete every month. Cn7 is already being mined on FPGAs. Unforkable FPGAs should be a gpu miners worst nightmare once they hit in numbers, not asics.
Do you think coin devs have the money and the time to keep forking over and over, just to keep die hard gpu miners happy? they will inevitably give in, their projects goals will come first. They get paid either way with the block reward. If they dont like it they can switch to x16r/s.
Dont you think cpu miners had the same beef with gpu s ruining their profits back at the start of the decade. Everyone has a cpu, but not everyone has a killer gpu or 6. Gpu s are still overpriced and gamers hate the lot of ya. If asics wont destroy gpu mining then FPGAs definately will.
Most people dont care about manufacturer centralization , they dont mine for free just to support a decentralized network , they mine for a profit , with the most profitable pool on the most profitable hardware whoever hosts or makes it they dont care. If they do support a network that isnt the most profitable then they just expect an even bigger profit when they dump their coins on a pump and move on.
A quick buck is an illusion?, tell that to early x3 owners, their laughing and probably even thanking downrampers like you who scared off a majority of potential buyers of the x3, reducing difficulty and increasing their profits, theyd be close to ROI if not already and they could still sell their rig for a profit. Yes s*** will hit the fan on the 30th but by then everything they mine will be complete profit or soon to be even if it isnt much.
In a perfect world it would be great if asics and fpgas didnt exist. But they do, so adapt or live with it.
I have PLENTY of friends with S9's and L3's as well dude. A good friend of mine has total of 300 S9's and L3's who also GPU mines. I'm familiar with ASIC's full well. Exactly what has changed that I'm ignorant of? They are pretty much plug and play. ROFL... I'm familiar with FPGA's as well. I'm currently looking into them now. Just Because some don't care about centralization means simply ignoring it; give up and don't educate people? I'm done responding to your insanity. You THINK your response has merit and is supposed to somehow refute the insanity I said you're in? You will wake up to the grand illusion you due time. So adapt and live with it once the RED PILL is forced down your throat. It's a LOT easier if you will take it willingly. It appears you're going to have it forced fed down your throat in due time and you're NOT going to like it. Your looking into FPGAs? To buy them i assume.. Your a hypocrite! |
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I wont deny that asics can be risky. The d3 was a shocker, and the a3 almost didnt make it to ROI on some batches, bitmain can be risky. But on the right batches, bought at sensible times, most have been very profitable. You shouldnt have stopped at the s7, the s9 was a goldmine if you bought it in the first few months, and they were readily available.
If you ONLY KNEW how profitable I've been with GPU's. Especially, during 2016 and 2017. If you ONLY knew. I'm VERY pleased I never bought another ASIC. In fact, I still have several R9 380 rigs I bought in May of 2016 making a profit. Most ALL of my hardware was purchased in 2016 and HAS REACHED ROI THREE TIMES OVER. Im well aware they were profitable, all im saying is things change, bitmain has screwed with your potential future profits, so how are you going to deal with that? Complaining only gets you so far. Its just capitalism comrade. |
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"FORK! FORK" not because of principals...
Amen. Gpu miners have had it too good for too long. They buy gpus, make a killing , then sell it for the same price if not more then they bought it for. Try doing that on a 2 year old asic. They are about to find out what real losses can be like.
So, you have "principles" by supporting "centralized" mining controlled by one MAJOR manufacturer? My only principle is to be better than screaming and bleeding imbeciles such as yourself And another one who has no real argument to support their INSANITY and resorts to name calling. You guys are in desperate need of counseling. Well, I'm offering it here at no charge... So, seeing that you want to ignore my previous post, let's allow you to see it once again: Do you guys NOT SEE YOUR OWN INSANITY??? Your reasoning: GPU Miners are making too much money cause you ASIC guys fell for the ILLUSION propagated by BITMAIN. Your OWN GREED clouded your judgement. While GPU Miners made the CORRECT DECISION to break off from BITMAIN and their MONOPOLY.NOW, here you go AGAIN allowing the grand illusion propagated by BITMAIN to DECEIVE you. ROFL... You guys ARE INSANE... Cause you are REPEATING it AGAIN... ROFL...You think trying the same thing AGAIN will produce different results. It's called INSANITY. No?I guess you have to learn the hard way like I did.  I started with the S1 and stopped with the S7 before I finally woke up. Oh well... Go ahead... CONTINUE in BITMAIN's grand illusion and see where it gets you. Gave you fair warning.... Don't listen.... Your choice... Once again: This is suppose to be an ASIC resistant algorithm, why dont you ASIC people go mine other ASIC coins available. Ohhhh, thats right, you can't make your money back off ASIC coins anymore because the difficulty has ramped up so much. So you want to come and ruin Zcash’s difficulty with ASICs to make a quick buck and act like its the future of mining. I'm HERE to tell you, that QUICK buck is an ILLUSION created by BITMAIN and your own greed.I wont deny that asics can be risky. The d3 was a shocker, and the a3 almost didnt make it to ROI on some batches, bitmain can be risky. But on the right batches, bought at sensible times, most have been very profitable. You shouldnt have stopped at the s7, the s9 was a goldmine if you bought it in the first few months, and they were readily available. If you dont have the patience to wait for batch releases then people can miss out, sure you could buy gpus anytime, anyday but that availability doesnt allow you to sell a gpu like you could sell a baikal giant b at 15k now does it. |
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Fairly certain that most people scream :"FORK! FORK" not because of principals, but because of pure greed. There is no stopping ASICs whether you like it or not. Adapt or die.
Amen. Gpu miners have had it too good for too long. They buy gpus, make a killing , then sell it for the same price if not more then they bought it for. Try doing that on a 2 year old asic. They are about to find out what real losses can be like. ROFL... You guys are pathetic... ROFL.... GPUs are WAY more available to get than ASICs. To say GPUs are currently hard to get is incorrect. Sure there was a month or two when they were overpriced, that was due to the high demand when they had a ROI of 90 days. Even then you could still buy a smaller graphics card, they were not ALL sold out. The 1070/1080 TIs were the hard ones to get, other models were more available. What advantage would we have if everyone moved to ASICs? It would just raise the current bar for everyone, reduce us to one supplier of hardware, and starts a arms race. Atleast with GPUs we are all on a level playing field without having to worry someone will have a GPU that does x100 the hashrate for 1/10th the power. All the hardware is relatively close to each other in terms of performance, keeping the difficulty from ramping up x10-x100. ASICs dont save power, they dont make the network more secure, they are limited in availability, only have 3 to 6 month warrantys, run loud and hot, manufacturers keep a large number of the them for themselves and keep secret other rigs that are far better then sell them as new later while replacing them with new hardware, etc... This is suppose to be a ASIC resistant coin, why dont you ASIC people go mine other ASIC coins available. Ohhhh ya thats right, you cant make your money back off them ASIC coins anymore because of the difficulty have ramped up so much. So you want to come and ruin Zcash’s difficulty with ASICs to make a quick buck and act like its the future of mining. I'm HERE to tell you, that QUICK buck is an ILLUSION.As you KNOW, I've been in the space for a while and have had a LOT of experience with BITMAIN. My LAST round of ASIC's I bought from them was 42 x Bitmain S7's in late 2015. All of which I sold in February 2016 and never looked back. I USED to be the one to DEFEND them when they were attacked by others and I believe you KNOW this. THEN I TOOK THE RED PILL AND WOKE UP in February, 2016!!! I did a LOT of research and weighing pros and cons of GPU versus ASIC. ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of.Theres a lot you dont know about asics if the last one you bought was in 2015. I mine on gpus too, i dont hate them , i just know their beat. They are inefficient and becoming more obsolete every month. Cn7 is already being mined on FPGAs. Unforkable FPGAs should be a gpu miners worst nightmare once they hit in numbers, not asics. Do you think coin devs have the money and the time to keep forking over and over, just to keep die hard gpu miners happy? they will inevitably give in, their projects goals will come first. They get paid either way with the block reward. If they dont like it they can switch to x16r/s. Dont you think cpu miners had the same beef with gpu s ruining their profits back at the start of the decade. Everyone has a cpu, but not everyone has a killer gpu or 6. Gpu s are still overpriced and gamers hate the lot of ya. If asics wont destroy gpu mining then FPGAs definately will. Most people dont care about manufacturer centralization , they dont mine for free just to support a decentralized network , they mine for a profit , with the most profitable pool on the most profitable hardware whoever hosts or makes it they dont care. If they do support a network that isnt the most profitable then they just expect an even bigger profit when they dump their coins on a pump and move on. A quick buck is an illusion?, tell that to early x3 owners, their laughing and probably even thanking downrampers like you who scared off a majority of potential buyers of the x3, reducing difficulty and increasing their profits, theyd be close to ROI if not already and they could still sell their rig for a profit. Yes s*** will hit the fan on the 30th but by then everything they mine will be complete profit or soon to be even if it isnt much. In a perfect world it would be great if asics and fpgas didnt exist. But they do, so adapt or live with it. |
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Fairly certain that most people scream :"FORK! FORK" not because of principals, but because of pure greed. There is no stopping ASICs whether you like it or not. Adapt or die.
Amen. Gpu miners have had it too good for too long. They buy gpus, make a killing , then sell it for the same price if not more then they bought it for. Try doing that on a 2 year old asic. They are about to find out what real losses can be like. |
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Yes I agree but i bet many customers are building massive farms from this going from the GPU history of farmers. It would still hurt their rep. If I'm given a choice between bitmain and a new competitor (And there will be believe me) then I'm going to try another. I'm sick of their new policy of bleeding us and the pools dry.
Actually if a new competitor appears, the hardware war will be bigger and bitmain will likely win. I suspected the war was coming when the halong dragonmint turn out to be real. I did not expect it to affect L3+ though. It looks like bitmain wants to take halong, who is probably innosilicon down...and it is gonna take away alot of profits from everyone to do that. This halong is a major idiot. They will probably lose money from the dragonmint T1/T2. They cant compete at all. Chances are that their sales are not gonna cover their cost of producing the dragon T1. And when the war started, I suddenly see the D3 for sale again, for very cheap, among other miners. Innosilicon will make a lot less now. My gut feeling tells me the dragonmint T1 sparked this war. Honestly I don't think anyone can compete with Bitmain. Halong and Innosilicon miner prices are ridiculous in this bearish market while Bitmain are lowering prices every month. When you have a business there are things that attract customers. Two of which are price and customer service and Bitmain got both. Innosilicon and halong have the new Samsung asic chips which are the best at the moment. Thats one reason they charge so much. Bitmain is overdue for their new tech to hit the market. They just seem to be tweaking and overclocking old miners and calling them a new variant. Im sure a lot of people are kicking themselves that they dismissed halong as a scam in the beginning, i sure am. |
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