Thanks Kozi.  Now that I read the link I recall seeing this.  Not that I remembered the part about the limit, but I remembered reading about the guy with 90,000 btc. 

Wait... does the $1000 limit apply to bitcoins too?

Now I can't get btc out.  I thought the limit was just for $US->LR.  Maybe it is combined.

Makes it kind of hard to buy anything substantial with btc from your mtgox account.

Anybody else having trouble getting their USD out of mtgox into LR?  I keep getting the message "To comply with US regulations you are only allowed to withdraw a maximum of $1000 within a 24 hour period. Please try your withdraw tomorrow.", but I'm nowhere near $1000 limit.

I had trouble a few months ago but eventually was successful.  Just wondering if it's just me or are others are experiencing this too.

Sure it's easy, if you already have a passport.  You can wait 20 days to get one in Canada.

Or the value bumps up again as users seek the quickest exit -> converting their USD to bitcoin and getting out of mtgox.

It is not 2 days.  It is since February 13th.


Also, no one can tell us how to check for 'tainted' coins?

Yes of course that is the end goal.  I'm just saying that given it is 2011 and we live in a real world where we have to pay taxes or face jail time, free-thinking people need to stay engaged in the currently existing political process if we hope to ever move the debate in our direction.

As shown by the willingness of participants in this thread to cede coercive power to some unknown website purveyor retroactively, simple mass opting out of the current dominant political-economic framework is not necessarily going to lead to an arrangement favourable to freedom.

I have no idea who Iain Banks is, but he seems to be implying that socialism is not suited to people unable or unwilling to see past their own sociopathic self-regard.

Generally, people regard themselves first.  This is not a result of their political orientation, this is an undeniable characteristic of human nature.  You can explain the origin of this fact from both a Judeo-Christian or evolutionary worldview.  Which also testifies to the undeniability of it's existence.

The political system which best incorporates this fact into it's schema will prove to be the most effective at producing desired outcomes.

That is why socialism has been a complete and utter failure in every country, every religion and every culture in which it has been perpetrated.

And the gall, the GALL of socialists to accuse conservatives, libertarians, free marketers etc. of being selfish or self-absorbed.

Anyone who has had the misfortune to have to deal with a labour unionist, a self-righteous poverty pimp, or a self-loathing limousine liberal or 'intellectual' will know that socialists have made pursuing self-interest their religion - since they have generally abandoned the practice of true religion - and they are expert at it.

The further difficulty is that the socialist has no qualms at all about using force to enrich themselves, while the libertarian reconizes your right to your own property.


But Atlas, these are not reasons to abandon politics.  The problem is that generally politics is seen as the fight over who gets the goods.  Politics needs to be reframed as the fight over whether or not there will be a fight over the goods.

Sorry to ask this again, but I think it's fairly important.

Some on here have suggested that innocent recipients of 'tainted' bitcoins should have to return them to the original owner (ie. victim of theft).

How exactly is a recipient of bitcoins supposed to determine if they are tainted?  Is there a master list somewhere of bitcoins under dispute? 

Unless there is some quick way of checking the legitimacy of coins it would seem reasonable to expect commerce to grind to a halt.

I have purchased most of the btc I own through mtgox.  Am I at risk of having these coins seized by mtgox because somewhere along the line, maybe months ago, some of these coins were involved in some dispute?

I don't understand... how is a regular bitcoin user supposed to be able to determine if btc he is receiving are 'tainted'?

I think it is a good idea.  I was just wondering earlier this evening how many Canadians were on here and now here's a way to find them.

I've signed up but I can't figure out how to search for members.  I'm using Firefox... maybe I'm not seeing some option because of this?

thanks tilopa but I don't think I could even find the address again.
I'll just hope they reappear when I open one of my old wallets again

Thank you, that is exactly my point.  Just because I don't like what you're doing doesn't make it wrong, and it doesn't mean I can suddenly take your money.

We don't get to decide for ourselves what is right and wrong, nor do we get to rain our own justice down on others arbitrarily.  There has to be an agreed-to process to handle disagreements.  

The great thing about forex is there is always a bull market somewhere.
Of course then there is always a bear market somewhere too.  And the leverage is spectacular.

One way to dip your toe in the water is to sign up at currensee.com and follow more experienced traders.  I've also found the James16 thread at forexfactory helpful.

Very clever.  He's making nice margins.  I guess he's introducing bitcoin to a lot of people, they just don't know it!

Juries do not decide right and wrong.  They decide guilt or innocence.

The law (poorly attempts) to define right and wrong.

If members of this forum are going to start deciding the guilt and innocence of various participants in the bitcoin economy and deprive them of their property, based on some discussions on a message board, then we are all in trouble.

Well, if I'm holding $10,000 for you in an envelope in my house because we are trustworthy friends, and I ask you where you got the money and you say "selling widgets on the internet", and I inform you that I am against the distribution of widgets and so I'm giving your $10,000 to a charity of my choice, how does that fit into the postmodern notion of anyone getting to define right/wrong?

(Pardon the run on sentence)

The question isn't so much about righting a wrong, it is about who gets to decide who did what, and what constitutes a wrong.

hummmm, admin I think the last two posts are spammers...

So I lost some more btc tonight... just disappeared into the ether.

Tonight it was by sending from an online account to what must have been an address in some previous wallet.dat I had.  Previously I've lost bitcoin sending between wallets and swapping wallets around.  My technical incompetence has certainly cost me.

Am I the only one, or could there be a substantial number of bitcoins lost forever?  (Please don't tell me I'm the only one )