I need some money to live. So I am searching for investors or for freelance programming tasks (and am testing one of my projects at the same time). Please visit this link for detailed info. If you do it and submit your bitcoin address before the campaign ends, you'll receive a fraction of btc: ~0.1 btc are distributed hourly among new unique visitors that submit their bitcoin addresses. And if it works as expected, you get more if you share affiliate link (i. e. one with your bitcoin address in it  ) |
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Thanks for this discussion. I see the following extremes:
The simplest solution would be to enhance the filtration functionality (i. e. replace "rating" with a limited set of checkboxes that represent basic categories). It seems to be relatively easy to implement, but it is not very flexible.
The ultimate solution would probably be to allow advertisers to specify tags that describe their ads, and to allow affiliates to exclude tags. But it breaks the whole idea of the system that has nothing to hide and raises security questions.
Maybe the idea with "edit URL" is not that bad. It is not secure at all, but maybe it is not that important for the system that doesn't contain sensitive data and allows to modify filtration settings only. Or is it?
So I am thinking about implementing the following features:
1) allow to specify billing cycle upon ad creation
2) enable some basic ip-based geo-targeting
3) enable filtration based on categories or tags (if based on tags, then enable advertisers to modify tags; show existing tags on affiliate's page and allow affiliates to exclude them)
4) improve graphic versions of ads (make them look like html versions; allow to upload different sizes; allow affiliates to ask for a specific size)
5) add more stats (basically I'd like to see some historical graphs for the whole system and for each affiliate and advertiser)
6) enable search of affiliate, ad or connection between them by bitcoin address, enable navigation through connections
7) show withdrawal history and transaction ids
8) support for smartfones (do they require any specific support?)
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Probably I need to set up priorities and maybe find a team or an investor.. anyone interested? :)
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I will try it out on a few parked domains.
I suggest that you create a bitcoin category too, that is your best niche I suppose
Thank you! Are you talking about categorizing ads? (right now there is only a simple filtration to protect affiliates from inappropriate content.. but I agree, it would be nice to have categories for ads and to allow affiliates to subscribe for categories somehow) |
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I used them before, the websites that are currently affilated with OF have traffic problems.
What kind of problems do they have.. Not enough traffic? |
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card based games: the card order is hashed prior to a game, and the hash is presented to the user
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Now anyone can audit the table to ensure that the game is indeed fair, and since another table has been generated for the day, no one can cheat. that's what I meant ("use pregenerated random values show the hashes of game states before players make decision"), but it won't probably work well for many card games, because: if players play against each other and they have something to hide from each other (like in poker) then it is harder (since casino owner potentially knows the cards of other players and it gives him/her possibility to play against them). Or am I misunderstanding something? |
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to be honest, a proper bitcoin ad network that could compare to adsense would be perfect for my starting business, I'd much rather put money back into our community here than googles pockets (and botnet skiddies from cheating the system)
Does anonymousads.com qualify? |
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I think much depends on the game.
If it is a roulette - you could show the hash of the salted outcome before players make bets and show the sault after the game ends.
Many games could be secured this way (use pregenerated random values show the hashes of game states before players make decisions).
However if players play against each other and they have something to hide from each other (like in poker) then it is harder (since casino owner potentially knows the cards of other players and it gives him/her possibility to play against them).
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I like it! Spent ~15 minutes, got ~0.03 btc I know it is unpredictable, but still... what's the expected average hourly rate? |
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Could we have ads served via a script?
Thanks for your proposal, I partially implemented it. Please try something like: <script src='http://anonymousads.com/a/58?js' type='text/javascript'></script> You can customize the look & size with CSS, for example: <STYLE type="text/css">
.anonymousads {border:1px solid blue;width:160px;height:100px; padding:5px;margin:0px;position:relative;background-color:#FFA;font-size:0.8em;overflow:auto;}
.anonymousads p {position:absolute; top:5px; left:5px; padding:0px; margin:0px;color:#077;}
.anonymousads a {color:#770;font-size:0.8em}
.anonymousads a:hover {color:#AA0;}
.anonymousads small {color:red;position:absolute; bottom:5px; right:5px;}
</STYLE>
(see it here) That way we can request ads based on how space we've got available. ;-)
Yes, we'll need this kind of mechanism for graphic ads. I am going to rework rendering of graphic ads to allow this feature. What happens if I put two different affiliate ads in one page? If ads belong to different affiliates, then different ads are likely to be shown. What happens if I put the same affiliate ad two times in a page?
If it is an image ad, then the same ad will be shown till the end of the browser session. If it is an iframe or javascript, then it depends on browser caching behavior. Anyway, only one click and impression for unique ip during 24 hours will be counted. |
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maybe naive question, but still.. would people really kill each other more often if it becomes legal?
Of course. Remove the threat of punishment and riots follow immediately. Everybody can kill or be killed, so there would always be a threat of punishment. The question is if it should be monopolized by state. Why would the riots happen in a stable wealthy country? |
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maybe naive question, but still.. would people really kill each other more often if it becomes legal?
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I've read it but I didn't see what happens to the bootstrap money anywhere. :-) Maybe you should write that somewhere there explicitly to avoid confusion. Added info about it into the hint here. BTW it could be usefull to show the current average and maximum bootstrap score in the stats page to let us get an idea of how often we are going to appear in bootstrap ads. ;-)
Bootstrap scores are shown in the Ads list (in descending order). I added the estimated values you are asking about into blue box at Stats page. Also in the stats page you say: CPI = 0.09983719 btc per thousand impressions
Don't you mean CPM = 0.09983719?
Fixed that. Thanks for your feedback and for supporting Anonymous Ads! |
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what an interesting concept.
is it working?
thanks.. should be working... but I'd like to hear about it from advertisers since they are the ones that can evaluate the quality of traffic they receive for their money |
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More questions:
1. What happens to the bootstrap money and when? Are they automatically distributed based on something (and what is that?), or do I still control who will get them?
2. If I want to pay based on products sold for example, how do I do it? If I pay directly to the partner addresses I see in the CSVs, how is the affiliate (or your system) going to know who paid that affiliate? If I pay via btcrelay, how will the system know which ad is paying that btcrelay paylist? I suppose they have to know somehow who is paying or else how will they
Excuse me if you have answered these things before but right when I grasped the model, I got confused by the technical details. :-D
Even though it is somehow explained at How It Works page, I am grateful for questions like that because I want more people to understand this unusual system. 1. Bootstrap money go to Anonymous Ads, they are the main source of its profit. For this money it connects the bootstrapped ad to affiliates (i. e. gives it proportional share of 10% of affiliates' impressions and generates unique bitcoin addresses for each pair <ad, affiliate that displays this ad>). Right now I use that money to support affiliates on behalf of advertisers (advertisers don't do it yet, but affiliates need to get paid). 2. At step 1 Anonymous Ads generated unique bitcoin address for each pair of <ad, connected affiliate>. So when it receives money to that bitcoin address, it knows which ad paid to what affiliate (and thus can select randomly one of the most profitable ads to be shown for that affiliate). The list of ads connected to affiliate is shown at affiliate's ads page (for example, http://anonymousads.com/affiliate/1/ads). If you hover the ad's link, you'll see the generated bitcoin address for that pair of <ad, affiliate> in URL. Ads are ordered according to probability of being shown for that affiliate. |
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So even if someone walks up to you with a gun clearly in his pocket (assume that such gun carrying is normal and acceptable where you live) and says "give me $200 or I'll shoot you" it's not OK to attack him first?
I doubt it. She doesn't really want to kill you, she just really needs your money (that's why she takes the risk of threatening you). Anyway it is more rational to give her $200 than to risk your life. |
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One more question: Why do you multiply by $maxBootstrapScore. Does it change the ordering?
Wow... It looks like normalizing values is not required in these queries. Thanks for the hint! |
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If someone is organising a murder, violence is a proportional response. There is no ethical rule that says you can defend yourself against the person killing you but not against the person hiring people to kill you.
Very convincing argument. So I am still in doubts.. 1. If Alice hires Bob to kill Tom, then Alice is obviously responsible for murder (as Bob is). 2. If Alice says Tom doesn't deserve to live and Bob kills Tom, then... Is she responsible? 3. If Alice says she doesn't like Tom any more, and Bob kills Tom... Update: If someone is organising a murder, violence is a proportional response.
Or maybe not.... Maybe organizing protection (such as talking to a person, calling police, buying a gun, escaping) is a proportional response. |
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You guys really are debating whether its OK to incite someone to murder or to tell someone you will pay them to murder.
A murder is just an example. Just replace "murder" with "having homosexual contact" or "denying God" or anything else... There are people that think that murder is not as bad as the latter two... |
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wow.. interesting question.. didn't vote though, because I am in doubts.
free speech in its extreme could have negative consequences.. so should we rather fight consequences or freedom of speech that causes them?
even if it was a joke about 200 bitcoins.. it could be misunderstood by killer. in fact, the public message doesn't need even to mention blue-eyed people or bitcoins.. literally any message being exposed to billions of people can cause some random crazy guy to pick up a gun and commit a murder.
and both (the 'joker' and the 'killer') could have moral justifications for their actions (even though most of you wouldn't agree with them).
if nobody enforces common moral and everybody supports free speech in its extreme, then probably this should be considered to be "OK situation" (you know.. different people have different moral.. it's a pity, of course, that they ate your leg.. but that's how they live.. and you better don't go there and protect yourself)
it sounds scary, but maybe our world is much more scary (we just prefer not to think about it).
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