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The reason for this forum "not being in the loop" may simply be that not all the details have been worked out yet. |
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Comrades, the current high difficulty and block chain split have heaped an unbearable burden upon the shoulders of the mining proletariat.
I propose the formation of a mining cartel of the main pools and the collectively lowering of hash rate to an agreed maximum.
This would:
1) Lower difficulty
2) Drive the price of Bitcoin up
While no one pool could be forced to restrict hash rate, transparency would expose any cheaters.
Let's go a step further, and rid of mining altogether. We could simply announce transactions here in the forum, or in densely populated areas we can just yell from balconies. Transparency would expose any cheaters. |
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1) how much they're actually going to pay real shareholders, 2) whether any devices will be for sale to the general public, 3) whether shareholders can buy devices above their shareholdings, 4) whether they're going to use customer money to expand their mining operation in contravention of their original business plan, 5) whether shareholders are going to see any money from the sale of mining devices.
I haven't seen any hard numbers or descriptions of anything yet.
And yet you bought shares without knowing the answers to those questions... This discussion is off topic. Kindly take it to the ASICMINER thread. |
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It took 4.5 hours to arrive to 5800 blocks left, when it ran out of disk space. It popped a small error window, with "ok" as the only option, when clicked the client closed. It turned out the "coins" folder grew to over 30 GB. What is this?
This is very unexpected and wrong. The size of the coins directory shouldn't exceed 150 MB or so (unless you increase -dbcache, in which case it may grow to something like 150 + dbcache/2 MB). Can you tell me which files (extensions) are the bulk of the data?    |
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To upgrade to 60 gigahash asics
Why are you telling us this? |
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The survey seems open to anyone, not just investors. Vendors might see this as an opportunity to manipulate your decision.
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I decided to try out the low extreme, so I dug out a fossil and fired it up: Windows XP SP3 Pentium M, 1.6 GHz 760 MB RAM Disk space available initially: ~35 GB Installed bitcoin-0.7.1-315-gfd95a8a-win32-setup.exe bitcoin-qt.exe -connect=192.168.0.xxx -logtimestamps -benchmark Started up fine, connected through LAN to the specified peer, started downloading. Typical CPU load (essentially no competing processes) was 20%-65%, rarely over 70%. Peak memory usage ~180 MB. It took 4.5 hours to arrive to 5800 blocks left, when it ran out of disk space. It popped a small error window, with "ok" as the only option, when clicked the client closed. It turned out the "coins" folder grew to over 30 GB. What is this? I cleaned up some old files to make additional 7GB of space available, and started again as above. It continued downloading, then progress bar disappeared. The animated "sync" icon in the corner was still active, and downloading and verification was still going on fine. The CPU usage appeared somewhat lower then earlier, 20%-40% typically. Three hours into it, ran out of disk space again! The "coins" folder now grew to >37GB. Cleaned up more GB, restarted the client, and two hours later and few hundreds of blocks before the end it ran out of disk space again! "Coins" folder now 40.1 GB, 21,734 files. Cleaned up more space, but bitcoin-qt now crashes immediately after start. Rebooted, still the same. Windows crash report: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16"?>
<DATABASE>
<EXE NAME="bitcoin-qt.exe" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="bitcoin-qt.exe" SIZE="20755456" CHECKSUM="0x604C3D23" BIN_FILE_VERSION="0.7.99.0" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99.0" PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99.0" FILE_DESCRIPTION="Bitcoin-Qt (OSS GUI client for Bitcoin)" COMPANY_NAME="Bitcoin" PRODUCT_NAME="Bitcoin-Qt" FILE_VERSION="0.7.99.0" ORIGINAL_FILENAME="bitcoin-qt.exe" INTERNAL_NAME="bitcoin-qt" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="2009-2012 The Bitcoin developers" VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x40004" VERFILETYPE="0x1" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x13D233D" LINKER_VERSION="0x10000" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="0.7.99.0" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99.0" LINK_DATE="01/30/2011 00:00:00" UPTO_LINK_DATE="01/30/2011 00:00:00" VER_LANGUAGE="Language Neutral [0x0]" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="uninstall.exe" SIZE="366985" CHECKSUM="0x7224CC4B" BIN_FILE_VERSION="0.7.99.0" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99.0" PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99" FILE_DESCRIPTION="" COMPANY_NAME="Bitcoin project" PRODUCT_NAME="Bitcoin" FILE_VERSION="0.7.99" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="" VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x4" VERFILETYPE="0x1" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x1B641" LINKER_VERSION="0x60000" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="0.7.99.0" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="0.7.99.0" LINK_DATE="02/19/2012 15:01:49" UPTO_LINK_DATE="02/19/2012 15:01:49" VER_LANGUAGE="Language Neutral [0x0]" />
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="daemon\bitcoind.exe" SIZE="6174208" CHECKSUM="0x2B4948A" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x5ECEB6" LINKER_VERSION="0x10000" LINK_DATE="01/30/2011 00:00:00" UPTO_LINK_DATE="01/30/2011 00:00:00" />
</EXE>
<EXE NAME="kernel32.dll" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_THISFILEONLY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="kernel32.dll" SIZE="990208" CHECKSUM="0xCC2C4544" BIN_FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293" PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293" FILE_DESCRIPTION="Windows NT BASE API Client DLL" COMPANY_NAME="Microsoft Corporation" PRODUCT_NAME="Microsoft® Windows® Operating System" FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293 (xpsp_sp3_gdr.121001-1622)" ORIGINAL_FILENAME="kernel32" INTERNAL_NAME="kernel32" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="© Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved." VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x40004" VERFILETYPE="0x2" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0xFBCBC" LINKER_VERSION="0x50001" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.6293" LINK_DATE="10/03/2012 04:58:13" UPTO_LINK_DATE="10/03/2012 04:58:13" VER_LANGUAGE="English (United States) [0x409]" />
</EXE>
</DATABASE>
Debug.log: http://www.filehosting.org/file/details/407213/debug.logAll in all, almost complete download via LAN and verification took ~10 hours. |
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You can be rest assured, that your conversation with your boyfriend last night on the phone will never be listened to by an NSA agent, and even if it was, they will be bored to death by it, and furthermore, from your point of view, you'll never meet the NSA agent in real life, so you have no need to be embarrassed by it.
If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide, eh? I'm quite confident that anything I've ever said or done would likely not be of any interest to the scanning algorithms of the NSA. And even if that were the case, if I were to choose to have someone listen to a conversation I had, I'd rather it was some anonymous person in a basement in a desert in Utah whom I will never meet, rather than any friends, family or neighbors or business associates that were not privy to the original conversation. I stand by what I said. And I'm sure that goes for most people, excluding the paranoid delusional types, which are a dime a dozen in this forum. You are missing the point; it's not an issue of somebody having access to your or my emails, location, conversations, and contacts. The issue is one entity having an exclusive acess to everybody's information. Total asymmetry. What do you think? |
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I just tried it out, somewhere along the way it redirected me to blockchain.info.
Now it is using an iframe. serialsforyou (dot) info (slash) securelog32 I'm not sure what the applet and/or windows executables are doing (view source) but definitely not anything you want. Nasty. Isn't this something Piuk should take down? Copyright, if nothing else. |
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Sure, 5.6GB is borderline acceptable, but what happens in a year when it's 10-20GB? My 120GB SSD isn't looking so hot. I'll have to upgrade my SSD cuz I'm already running out of room, and then I'll have to download the whole 20GB again.
Alternative: Is there a way to move the blockchain to a different spot? Maybe onto my 1TB external? And if I do decide to replace my OS drive, just point the new Bitcoin-qt at the old blockchain, and have it pick up where I left off?
You can point your client to any directory, just add a handle: -datadir=<dir> Specify data directory
See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128575.0Someone more versed should explain if you should detach the database at shutdown before moving it. |
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I think one of the reasons SatoshiDice is used so hugely as it is, is because there is really not very much you can DO with Bitcoins once you have them other than gambling.
If there were more "things to do," blockchain would be even larger than it is today. Either way, several GB today is not a problem in terms of cost of storage. The problem is the initial download simply because we are not upfront with the newbies, so they get disappointed. Direct download links on the main page of bitcoin.org do not contain any explanations and warnings, and should be removed. Download page contains an overview of various clients, which is good, but points should be bulleted, and warning about initial download more prominent. That way there would be no bad surprises. |
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Most excellent! Now let's see if this engineering team did a better initial job than BFL and bASIC.
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 I see spikes from 12T to 30+ and back. And now, on difficulty decrease, it is about 30T again. Someone has 51%? "Network hashrate" is a calculated estimate, not a directly measured quantity. The legend on the graphs says "estimate". The eight-hour window is expected to contain only 48 randomly-triggered events; this is a small number, and variability can and will appear counterintuitively high to most people. |
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Ridiculous. Fortunately, someone is doing good job educating people in the comments section.
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Wow, that;s a lot of growth since I switched to Electrum a couple months ago. Sounds like pruning is becoming more pressing
Is this a pressing problem? My mediocre desktop runs a node 24/7 without me even noticing. Currently using a 500 GB drive that was standard three years ago. Plenty of space left, and upgrades are cheap when needed. |
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There is a blockchain.info phishing site on a .info misspell domain, watch out. I almost fell for it once,
Wow, yes there is. Omit the c in block, i.e., Blok* I just tried it out, somewhere along the way it redirected me to blockchain.info. |
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I notice your list of places neglects rural farming communities (outside of even the small towns, just a few hundred people per square mile). This is where I live, and out here not only do we use guns to harvest much of our food, we use them to keep vermin under control (they will eat the crops, groundhog holes have killed at least one person I knew and injured many others when their tractor rolls). The problem isn't guns, it's the way you psycho flatlanders live. I would go crazy too if I had to be stacked hundreds of feet high without a single piece of grass or a tree to my name. No thanks, I'll stay in the hills please. And I'll keep my guns.
I recommend you go on a travel binge for a few years and then try to paint the picture. Clearly you have not spent time in Tokyo, for example. People are "stacked up", and there's not much grass, but typically you can walk around in the middle of the night, and only good or interesting things will happen to you. At this moment, Moscow or L.A. - not so much. Consider these per-capita rates of violent crimes in Canada: Quebec 756/100,000 Ontario 756/100,000 Manitoba 1,598/100,000 Saskatchewan 2,039/100,000 Yukon 3,007/100,000 NWT 6,448/100,000 Had you ever spent time in these places, you would have noticed that reality is exactly opposite of what you claim: more urbanized and densely populated areas have generally lower incidence of violent crimes. I don't say that there is a casual relationship, but obviously your claim of rural communities being less violent is false. |
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You live in a place where murder, rape, assault, robbery, arson, kidnapping, etc doesn't exist?
Did you suggest that a gun can not prevent crime? This is an outright lie and I have no idea what gave you such a misguided view.
Yes, I live in a normal place. I don't know of anywhere on Earth that has zero crime.
Yes, I've thought long and hard on how to make things better, but I do not control policy, so I'm left doing what I can to protect my family.
I was not clear enough, I'll try again. Certainly there is, and always has been, unprovoked violence in all societies. However, the fact is that in some countries at some points of time the rates of violent attacks are 10 or 50 times lower than what we see today in the U.S., Russia, Colombia, or Thailand. How come? This is a good question to ask. I spent time living in all sorts of countries, and have pretty much seen it all, from armed conflicts to gang violence, to boring and safe small towns, to safe and vibrant cities, to ghettos. I am not your typical gun control advocate. I think it's much more productive for us all to ask ourselves "how come?" than to seek a quick fix in gun control or in arming ourselves and our homes. So, the topic being discussed in this thread is a red herring, and I can't even answer the poll. |
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