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1001  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 10, 2023, 01:35:28 AM
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The gambling addict doesn’t seem to acknowledge nor value the money he has at the moment. What would be going through his mind and foremost in his thoughts would be the money to be earned after gambling away the funds at his disposal.
Same with any addiction. The addict would prefer to accumulating money, the feeling or satisfaction gotten after having fulfilled the desire to indulge himself in the habit. And that’s why money doesn’t seem to stay long in the hands of an addict.

This is so true.

An addict doesn't really value hard earned money. It will simply go away from their hands to fuel their addiction.

And when the money is gone, then they would do anything to get their fix. That's how the spiral continues...
1002  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: November 09, 2023, 12:12:50 AM
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understanding that creation of phrases and numbers using an statistical model for the best possible response is different than predicting the future is a must

this article on how LLMs work is quite good to grasp the basics
What Is ChatGPT Doing … and Why Does It Work?

still a funny game, as you mentioned, but probably won't be so accurate, if it gets it right it'll be more due to luck than due to skill, kind like an oracle, maybe

Yes, you are right.

The thing is that creating text like that basically tricks the brain into assuming that an intelligent entity wrote that. But it is just based on previous knowledge, not new insights.

I wonder if we somehow peaked in terms of generation of content, as AI based content will start using AI based content in their datasets for training, and that kind of loop usually ends up in worse outcomes.

Still, I think AI can be used to generate a good enough prediction.
1003  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 09, 2023, 12:10:01 AM
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safest thing is just to plan from home to bring enough money to gamble and keep in mind to appreciate money, no matter how small. indeed gambling addicts will not think about this no matter how much money they bring to gamble but as a regular gambler it is better to always remember how gambling works just to have fun so you don't need to bring too much money to gambling and don't need to follow other friends gambling styles. .

Any addict will not value the money they need to pay for their craving.

The same happens with alcohol. It doesn't matter how much they are paying, an alcoholic will continue buying more and more bottles until they are broke.

Similar to a gambling addict, they will keep betting until they are broke.
1004  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 09, 2023, 12:08:32 AM
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Stopping gambling for a while can allow them to do other things that are more useful besides just gambling. They can improve their mindset and perhaps close their gambling records so that when they return to gambling periodically in the future, they will not need their gambling records because they will not use gambling as a way to make money but just as entertainment. They can differentiate between gambling as entertainment that uses money and other things that are entertainment that do not require money. By stopping gambling and doing other things, at least their minds will not think about gambling, and that is useful for reducing their gambling addiction slowly.

Yeah, I think that is always a healthy thing to do. Stopping your addiction for a bit, or maybe more than a bit, to let your brain reconfigure itself and approach it again with a fresh perspective.

In that way the gambler will be able to continue, or not, in a more reasonable manner.
1005  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: November 09, 2023, 12:07:03 AM
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Some would argue what is happening in the Trump case is what is happening to the USA.  As if he is that important but people like to personalize an argument I guess, its simpler and more succinct to argue over then all the varied dynamics and layers of change to USA good or bad.
   I only got 1 point both Trump and Biden are at the tail end of their careers and working life times, they may not be here to really reflect the questions that need answering for USA to be ok in ten or twenty years.   Its true in many countries but leaders are more then a little biased age wise, quite a few dynamics important to implement  now are technology or infrastructure based.   Lucky its not just 1 person but an entire administration but still its surprising most countries elect the oldest even India with average age below 30 elects someone born 73 years ago.
    If thats a general trend, we should discount the odds of anyone younger for chances of getting in.

Yeah, I think the US right now is absolutely polarized. And people are getting less and less interested in hearing other people's opinion.

It's kinda like "you're either with them or with us" mentality. And that is not great for a country.

Being that divided will probably make things worse in the future.
1006  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: November 09, 2023, 12:04:46 AM
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He wins an average of 5 titles a year so in 3 years, he could beat that but he will already be 39. Right now, he is still in top shape but things can change quickly (look at Federer and Nadal). So chances exists that he could break that record but I wouldn't put a lot of money on it.

In Tennis you also need to be lucky about which era you became professional.

For example, Pete Sampras was a phenomenal athlete. He was number 1 from 1993 to 1998. It would have been very difficult for other athletes to win their tournaments if Sampras was still playing.
1007  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: November 08, 2023, 10:15:03 AM
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I don't know but a lot of people aren't happy with the Biden's administration and it seems that it's going to be Trump again, I aam 60% sure he's going to get the presidency again. I feel kind of bad that a lot of people even outside the US are still basing their votes on popularity instead of what these candidates can do for them, not to sound too political but damn we need to change something about that mindset.

Well, I'm not sure if it is a good or a bad thing, but Trump is definitely more "mainstream TV worthy" than the current president of the US.

A lot of people right now care more about what is happening to the Trump case than what is happening in the US itself.

It's a bit crazy I think, but these are the times we are living in.
1008  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 08, 2023, 04:15:59 AM
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Work or business is human resource that must be prioritized to be able to meet life needs and gambler must also work or build a business to make money even though some of it is for gambling, at least there is consistent income at all times.
It just that gambling can use up everything, even how much money gambler can lose in short time if it is used for gambling, so it is highly recommended that you be able to manage and have financial limits.

True, I think that is one of the most dangerous thing about gambling. It can be so fast.

Some gamblers potentially have lost their entire life savings in a single day at the casino.

That's rarely what happens in other addictions where it usually takes some time to get to rock bottom.
1009  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 08, 2023, 04:13:24 AM
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The USA is the actual host of the 2026 World Cup and most of the games will be in this country because of the potential and more sports facilities and hotels they have there, obviously, they can host the World Cup perfectly.
But the other two countries, Canada and Mexico will also help America, and in other words, they are co-hosting this tournament in 2026.
I think even America could host it alone without any help from these two countries.

Yeah, I think adding more countries just makes the whole thing more complicated, specially visa-wise.

For example, there might even be some Americans that can't go to Canada because they had a DUI:

Canada may or may not allow persons with DUI convictions to enter their country.
1010  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: November 08, 2023, 04:10:44 AM
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Instead of pursuing success in becoming rich from gambling, it is better to succeed in being wise gambler and not easily controlled by gambling because if gambler is controlled by gambling then at the end of the story they will only experience bankruptcy and misery.

Yeah, absolutely true.

At the end of the day it is almost impossible to become rich by gambling, so if you pay a fortune gambling to get rich, you might as well start investing that money instead and you will have better chances of actually becoming rich.

You might still want to gamble a bit, to keep the hope there, but using a lot of money seems counter productive to me.
1011  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? on: November 08, 2023, 04:08:43 AM
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I Have seen some political news which tend to lean on the left politics to slighting freak out in front of the camera because the lead Trump is having in critical swing states, as far as I have seen Trump has a lead in almost all the subjects people were interviewed about: inmigration policies, economy, management of the war in the middle east, etc. The only topic where Biden defeated Trump was on the abortion rights of women,  but in my opinion, the fact Trump has been able to score positively in all the rest of the subjects the American people is concerned about tell me that there is very real chance Trump could be back into the White house in 2024.
I would have not expected to see people from swing states to favor Trump over Biden, to be honest, the USA economical situation seemed to be going good.

Yeah, I think the last thing I've read about it was giving Trump a massive win against Biden in many contested states, something like 5 out of 6 or something like that.

But at the same time it's good to remember that most media is just a propaganda machine, and they might just massage the numbers to show you what they want you to believe.

As in, some people will vote for whoever is winning at the polls at the moment, and they might want to get those votes for example.
1012  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 08, 2023, 04:06:36 AM
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Yes, that's true, especially if they lose very often. They will become frustrated when they see their losing numbers, and they tend to try to recover their losses by continuing to gamble. It might be better if they stop their gambling activities for some time and reset everything so they can start all over again. But this time, they must be truly disciplined in managing their time and money and must have better self-control. Yes, they can handle their losses well and not lose control of themselves after seeing the many losses they experienced.

Yeah, and maybe after waiting for that long time they might not want to go back to gambling again.

The mind works in great ways, and it adapts to whatever you are doing, so if you don't do something for a long time, you adapt and stop craving for it.
1013  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Low cost but effective solutions to gambling addiction on: November 07, 2023, 04:48:55 AM
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Do you mean cross addiction? I think that's a good idea but you have to know that all excess activity is not good for everyone's physical and mental health, If someone might replace gambling addiction to a good addiction like physical exercise or other thing that has a positive outcome to a person then it's good but there's a tendency that even a good addiction might cause something bad also. Much better if a person will teach how to balance everything so that it can't lead to any obsession.

Yeah, spot on.

But I do think that positive addictions, such as running too much, etc, usually require more time for you to actually end up in a negative situation.

And by that time you might realize that you are a bit too addicted and might be able to tone it down a bit, etc.

Whereas with gambling and other negative addictions it might only require a few days to have catastrophic consequences.
1014  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 07, 2023, 04:46:40 AM
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If the visa issue was just for people from North Korea and Iran, then it would have been OK. Anyway, I don't think that a lot of football fans from these countries attend the world cup in person. But here the issue is that getting a US tourist visa is a cumbersome process for people from any of the third world nations. So if someone from India or Nigeria want to watch the world cup in the United States, they need to go through all the red tape and multiple visa hearings and still there is no guarantee that they will be able to travel to the US.

True, the visa process for the US can get tricky for people from many countries in the world.

Having said that, the world cup is also going to be played in Mexico and Canada, at least some games, so maybe those people who got rejected from the US could try their luck there.
1015  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 07, 2023, 04:44:48 AM
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You mean to say that the gambler's mind is stuck to get money and he is unable to think about the risky and negative aspect of gambling. Well, i agree to this but then how strange is that when he lose in gambling, this madness of gambling addiction does not become less and he is still committed to risk more money and try again and again with the hope of succeeding one day.

This does not mean that gamblers do not succeed or do not gain a lot of money. Some may be able to change their lives with gambling but those people should not be the role model for gamblers. The gamblers should also look at the people, who are not so lucky, who keep on trying the games, become addicted and yet they lose everything but the luck till does not favour them.

For me, you need to gamble but wisely by using your mind, by not risking too much and staying in the game with minimal loss with proper technique and money management skills.


Yeah, I think the same.

Gambling can be quite bad for some people, so it's best to keep it contained to a certain maximum amount that you can actually afford to lose.

If you keep gambling more and more, and then you don't have money to pay it off, then that's a big problem.
1016  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Not keeping records makes me a bad gambler? on: November 07, 2023, 04:43:12 AM
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Every gambler will know how important gambling records are for them, so they will make gambling records or not make them. But we agree that we must practice responsible gambling, especially as we already know that many people lose self-control when gambling, so this must be our main concern to prevent ourselves from experiencing a loss of self-control too.

Perhaps those who record their gambling want to know how much they gambled and how much money they used. But as time goes by, they may not continue to keep a gambling record because they feel there is a burden behind the gambling record when they see that the number of losses is greater than the number of wins. But if they can use their gambling records well, they can be used as material for their consideration and evaluation to be more responsible when gambling.

I think the main reason most people don't keep records, or they stop keeping records, is that most of the gamblers end up losing. So, who wants to keep track of a negative number getting lower and lower?

It's easier to just reset the whole thing and "start fresh" and see how well you will do this time.

That's what most gamblers winning stories are really. They conveniently forget about their previous losses  Grin
1017  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Changed the game you gamble on? share your story. on: November 07, 2023, 04:41:04 AM
Only bet on games you are familiar with, even if you are not winning, it's not a curse, winning luck isn't just on your side it is, change the game and you will still get the same result, most times it's the platform not the game, I used to place bet on sport and Slots, when I don't win in Slots game for a period of time, maybe weeks then I use another gambling platform.

If because I am not winning and I started playing games that I am not familiar with I believe it will worsen the whole thing even more, most people prefer soccer games more because they are familiar with the players and also they understand the teams that are in good shape and bad shape, you can easily predict what you will be getting, this makes soccer bets more better than Slots.

I can play games for a long period of time, even weeks before I decide to use another platform, I notice that most gamblers don't have the patience, they want to win money quickly and if they lose 10 rounds in two weeks they believe it's a bad game or a bad platform, my own strategy is different, if you are using money that is significant in your eyes then you will easily ruin your feelings, maybe this is why people don't have patience with gambling.

True, you are absolutely right.

It's the "platform", not the machine itself. Basically that means that every type of game will have the same odds, independent if you play in one machine or another.

Or even if you keep switching machines, it doesn't matter. The odds are the same.
1018  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can somebody make a successful career in gambling on: November 07, 2023, 04:39:30 AM
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It is true, you can win gambling but the hard truth is that it is almost impossible to win here continuously and we know that because we are gamblers. There are people who are really lucky in life and win a lot of money here but I think that is rare but this game is made to make you lose and waste your money.

Yeah, that's true. Someone can get lucky and win big one time, but at the end of the day if they keep playing they will run out of luck and the probability tells you that they will end up losing more than what they started with.

Some people do get lucky at some point, the key is to stop at that time.
1019  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 06, 2023, 03:26:57 AM
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There is no doubt in my mind and in the mind of most people that next World Cups will be likely more liberal and open the the behavior of those who decide to attend and have fun.
It is rather a cultural and political debate than something about the sport itself, I think. When we go to a muslin country, which follows the Sharia law, we are expected to respect and follow their rules, otherwise we can get severely punished. On the other hand, those who want to live under the sharia law in the west are free to do so, as long as they do not impose their beliefs onto others against their will.
Those are completely different systems.

After what I see in Qatar, I would be quite pessimistic if any other world cup was to be held in a Sharia/muslin country again, no fun allowed?

Well, after Australia opted out for the World Cup 2034 bid, Saudi Arabia is the only country in the race at the moment, so they will probably be hosting it.

So, yes, there will most probably be another World Cup host with Sharia Law.
1020  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who among you here is gambling at work? on: November 06, 2023, 03:23:56 AM
It's no longer surprising if I see people in the work environment also gambling, I mean they often gamble on slots during break time with their friends, I also asked one of these people: why don't you just sleep during break time? This short work actually makes you have fun gambling on slots with your friends?? and the answer is very unique for me, namely: because I look for entertainment by gambling, it can be a cure for boredom when I work every day, apart from being entertainment, sometimes I also get extra money here on condition that I only use a little money or see if there is still money left. to gamble, if there isn't any then I won't force you to gamble.

Then with the opinions of these gamblers, I started to think that in gambling not everything will be bad for us, sometimes we will also feel happy if we win, and apart from that I also think that when you are going to gamble you have to be able to set limits on the money you will spend, don't force it. if conditions do not allow it.

Yeah, basically what I hear is that gambling gives people the hope to escape their current lives.

The fantasy or hope that maybe, just maybe, they will hit the jackpot makes them play over and over again, even though they know they could be using their time and money for something else.

It's understandable really.
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