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10081  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Who is still Mining? on: April 20, 2012, 07:09:30 PM
The thought has crossed my mind. I want to think the best in people, but it looks like the gap based on the initial cost of new hardware that can compete in the current system will likely start to grow even faster over the next few years. Likely the number of miners will decrease leaving more room for the people who have the money to continue to upgrade. Not that it’s a bad thing. I’m concerned though that the economy wont be able to sustain itself with less miners unless more vendors start using it. Which I know has been said a million times already. One would have to speculate that most people who buy BitCoins are speculating and most people who mine them are doing so to sell to the speculators. So the value of a BitCoin has a long way to go towards earning real legitimacy.

That is flawed logic.  "Upgrades" are new capital.  If it makes sense for existing miners to deploy new capital then it makes sense for new miners to do so also.

I think most of the caution comes from the fact that noobs tend to make horribly stupid rigs (gaming CPU, fast HDD, expensive cases, etc) and have lots of naive assumptions.  At one point when margins were much higher, pretty much any two GPUs in a box could be profitable so mistakes were less painful.  Today it is all about MH/$, MH/W and your electrical cost.  The days of slamming together some random junk and breaking even in 3 months are gone and will never ever come back.

If you got a 6-12 month time horizon and cheap electricity (<$0.10 per kWh) new GPU rigs can still be viable but you likely need to be willing to build a large number of them be comfortable buying used GPU, and know what parts you are buying and why.  Margins are very tight.

If you got a longer time horizon, access to significant capital, and willing to lose almost everything if Bitcoin fails then FPGA are another option.

If your goal is to casually throw some random parts together and make 20% profit per month well you shouldn't be mining.

Mining will never be a get rich quick system.  It is a commodity based "business" with almost no barriers to entry and global access.  Margins will be a small % over the lowest cost producers.
10082  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 5970 mining thread on: April 20, 2012, 07:00:50 PM
Quick Q: Is a Corsair AX1200 enough to power four 5970s?

Without overvolting, and with lowering memclock. Yes.
4x5970s
Sempron CPU
optimized BIOS
usb drive running linux
~1050W AC at the wall.

Figure at 90% efficiency that is ~950W DC (which is what PSU is rated on not AC wattage).
10083  Economy / Goods / Re: (Bounty) .5 BTC for link of high res photo of the CASASCIUS gold coin 1000btc on: April 20, 2012, 06:14:07 PM
You can send it to the Bitcoin 100

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52543.0

10084  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So I've build this great thing Bitcoin micro donations on: April 20, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
I like the updated direct pay and direct deposit version.

It has a lot of potential.  I would make an account but I see it is a closed beta.
10085  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box on: April 20, 2012, 05:58:42 PM
Haha, I think you are.  Do you want to bet on a RigBox, too?  I'm open to the idea... Smiley

No I think I will pass.  To much uncertainty.  BFL may be prioritizing delivery of the Rigs given their high pricetag.  They may have less startup issues given the lower power per chip.  There is less of a backlog. 
10086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do when MTGOX gets shut down ? Are we ready for coincalypse ? on: April 20, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
More import than "only using alternatives to gox so as to reduce reliance" is to make sure your financial exposure to Gox is always minimal. This means, don't keep all your BTC (or USD) there. If/when they are raiding, accounts will be frozen. So keep your money safe with yourself., and then the risk of using Gox is largely diminished. Don't let laziness be your excuse for keeping your funds in danger.

Yup.  When "black friday" (US Justice Dept war on online poker) hit some online poker players had six figures in their online poker accounts.   Some of that is still in limbo a year later.
10087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoin-qt.exe crashing on Windows 7 on: April 20, 2012, 05:43:40 PM
 
1) Close bitcoin client (if it has been crashing you may wish to reboot or check task manager to ensure process isn't still running).
2) Open the Bitcoin data directory. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Data_directory
3) Backup your wallet.dat if it has any value (of course you already have a backup right)
4) Delete* everything except the wallet.dat file
5) Start bitcoin client - it will download and re-index the blockchain (may take a couple hours)

* alternatively just move the files to another folder for temporary safe keeping
10088  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: bitcoin-qt.exe crashing on Windows 7 on: April 20, 2012, 05:36:36 PM
Have you tried deleting the blockchain.  It is indicating problems in the blockchain index.

10089  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to do when MTGOX gets shut down ? Are we ready for coincalypse ? on: April 20, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Tragedy of the commons.
10090  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Why all the interest in 5830s recently? on: April 20, 2012, 05:32:21 PM
I like a mix of 5970s and 5830s. I use the 5830 to load balance the breakers with my 5970 rigs. 1 5970 rig and 1 5830 rig per 20 amp breaker. Puts me right around 16 amps to keep in line with the 80% load rule.

Thats a good plan.  I just went the brute force aproach.



two of them for a total of 240*30*2*80% = 11.52 KW (derated) Smiley
10091  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs - Bitforce Single and Mini Rig Box on: April 20, 2012, 05:26:48 PM
I must be the only one prayyyyyyyying BFL doesn't delivery mine in 6 weeks or less.

Come on May 25th or later ...
10092  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Why all the interest in 5830s recently? on: April 20, 2012, 05:19:41 PM
exactly why I moved on from them.....simply not enough density possible. 

I am with you.   It shows there is no perfect GPU they all have advantages and disadvantages.  I don't regret going with 5970s.  Highest MH/W and awesome density.  I couldn't imagine running a 15 GH/s farm using 5830s.  Thats what 50 GPUs?

Still everyone's needs are different.  If someone is a gamer who wants to mine part-time I would say get a 7970 (or two).  Cooler and quieter than 5970 but I wouldn't want to try and build a farm out of them.
10093  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [123 GH/s] BitMinter.com [Zero Fee, Hopper Safe, Merged Mining,Tx Fees Paid Out] on: April 20, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
Another option is a new donation cause ('Minting bonus' or something like that?). The payout for each block could be whatever is in the donation box at the time. Or it could be CDF percent of the donations. So if you get an easy 10% block, you get 10% of the current donations. For a block like today 99.9% of the available donated funds.

To be fair one thing you may wish to do is make the "minting bonus" only payable to those who enable "minting bonus" donation.

Could make it something like 2% max donation.  If you donate the max and solve a block you get the payout.  If you donate say 1% instead you get half the payout, 0.5% gets you 1/4 the payout.  The payout is based on the optional minting donation/fee set by the miner at the time the block is found.

That way the minting bonus money circulates among "players".  More likely to encourage donations that way.
10094  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS [NIB] Seasonic X-Series GOLD PSU :: 750 Watt on: April 20, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
Thanks D&T - was going to PM you to make sure everything was OK.

Yeah just been busy.  I should be able to hook it up to an existing rig to test it this weekend.  Thank God it is Friday this week has been brutal.
10095  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTS [NIB] Seasonic X-Series GOLD PSU :: 750 Watt on: April 20, 2012, 04:57:42 PM
Just an FYI.  I bought the X-1250 it was packed well and arrived quickly in good shape.
Haven't had a chance to test it yet but JWU42 is a solid seller.
10096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Smartphones & Bitcoin on: April 19, 2012, 08:02:45 PM
Your Walmart Tracphone is likely piggybacking off Sprint's CDMA network, so you might want to consider Sprint also.

This.  Now data might be a little different than voice but since you report good signal quality on the Walmart special Sprint is likely your best bet.
10097  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: 1 BTC bounty --- What is the best FPGA unit to buy? on: April 19, 2012, 07:58:42 PM
Open solutions are stuck at poor profitability due to not being able to identify, IMO, what is a commodity chip.

Unlikely.  I am pretty certain of the chip they are using and without special pricing you are looking at $1400 for a pair of them.  Obviously BFL found a sweet deal and congrats to them but simply knowing the chip doesn't help you a whole lot.
10098  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Windows 8 on: April 19, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
Well "Server Core" (command line only version of Windows Server that I don't know anyone who actually uses) will obviously not have it.

Lots of nice stuff in 2012 (we have been testing it) but the Metro UI nonsense is not one of them.
10099  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Windows 8 on: April 19, 2012, 07:41:11 PM
If you think think using Metro UI for a desktop is crazy then shield your eyes.

Windows Server 2012 start screen:


No .... No I am not kidding (although I wish I was).
10100  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [360GH/s] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 19, 2012, 06:53:42 PM
hmm given the major difference is the the # of orphans it makes me think your connectivity is the largest factor.

If the p2pool and/or bitcoind instances were slow (due to insufficient memory, I/O, or CPU time) then at least in theory one would expect to see higher deads not orphans.

Obviously more testing is needed but my guess is the datacenter has a lower latency link to the avg peer.  Thus you are learning about new shares quicker and getting your shares into the chain quicker. I may need to play around and see about recording latency to peers.  See if there is any correlation between orphan and peer latency and/or # of peers.
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