We aim to fight against the spam – ICO’s want to have a signature below the meaningful post (because it's much better advertisement than under the spam one) more or less it’s the same. I’m sure that ICO’s managers don’t aim to flow spam across the forum. So the issue is to run campaign properly. Does it mean that bounty managers doesn’t their job efficiently? Why? During the last 30 days more 200 campaigns with signature campaign started up. Average campaign lasts 8 -12 weeks so more or less we have 500 signature campaigns at the same time so there is the need of few hundreds managers how many of them are „professionalists”? as @Harlot said Well trained campaign manager is keyvalue both for the forum and for ICO’s but I’m afraid ICO’s have mostly no idea what it mean… but the question how could it be achieved still remains? As long as our goals are convergent maybe collaboration is the key? But what kind – by introducing Trainings? Certificates? (rather complicated) But maybe it would be enough to "develop" some tools which are mandatory to be used in every signature campaign under pain of punishment. Introduction some regulations regarding the way of conducting and controlling signature campaigns could do a lot of good both for the forum and for ICO’s. ...
Just create 6 account, make lots of posts to reach Jr.Member, Abrakadabra, he/she will get same stakes with "legendary" rank. (That's just example, how easy to get a lot of money in this forum)
I think main problem in this forum is, so easy to create multiple accounts!
What's your opinion if the rules are changed to "One Person One Account"? And should to pass KYC?
Totally agree - multiple account for signature bounty are the worst pain in the ass... that's why raising the merit level is good but not for long time it will kick off small hunters but hundreds of BIG HUNTERS with dozens of account probably find the way to buy merit pay someone to write posts (It's all about money - as long profits are higher than costs they will probably find a solution) etc... unless merit level will be raised to really high rank but it wouldn't be fair for regular users... KYC for joining the forum? I'm not sure maybe verification via SMS at first (using hundred of simcards wouldn't stop but surely complicate using mutliple accounts) |
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Besides, I see many post with 7-8 lines, content is okay but there is no merit. What do you think?
Man content doesn't mean length! You can't say that 8 lines deserve merit but 3 lines not... Going further 16 lines deserve 2 merit 24 deserve 3 etc. Hmmm... I have to check my master's thesis length in lines maybe I'll become a Legendary through one post! |
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You are a great boy. It is immediately evident that you wrote this post without inventing every word, you wrote it from the heart, from the heart. I want to add something. It's not at all important whether I'm an expert in some area or not, I just need to communicate in a human way, support the conversation, ask a question to the interlocutor if something is not clear. And even more importantly, you need to be able to listen to others and respect their opinions.
Thanks man nice to hear that!!! 1. The source of discussion forum is… discussion.
2. Users who can give merits reads many threads and they really do give merit if they found something interesting readworthy or useful.
3. You don’t really need do nothing extraordinary to get merit (of course i still think, that i was very lucky… probably I wouldn’t give myself merit for this post) There is a key. This post can be a starting position for all newcomers. It's a pleasure to hear that, but I'm affraid you went to far... |
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Giving merits based on a link is pointless. I gave you merits because I thought your post was interesting and constructive. (and most importantly, not spam)
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I've really thought that you rather liked linked article than my post (so It's nice to hear that I was wrong)... Anyway Thanks again for noticing my post and rewarding it. |
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both Newbies and Jr. Members are given their signature space only "on probation". That means that if one of their posts is legitimately reported as spam and thus removed, they lose their signature space entirely until they rank up to Member.
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It could be good solution but not for such a big society. For me it sounds more like tons of work for admins - how many newbies and jr. there are? Tens of thousands maybe hundrets of thousands - so think about amount of complaints for admins: "Admin Why did I loose my signature?", "Somebody reported me of spam which I didn't - please admin check it up!", "Who reported me? Why? Admin help!", "I want my signature back!!!" etc. To be fair for all users they should be checked. How many of them could be in one month? Few thousands - rather couple dozens of thousands so how many full time admins we need to work only on it? That's why i think there's need to have a simple, automated and undoubtful solution! Easy rules same for everyone. It's only way to carry it out. I don't see the big deal, honestly. 1 merit is so easy to come by that any decent poster will eventually get it, and they can carry on earning their monies. The only problem I see is when people have a hundred alternate newbie accounts instead of Jr members now, and they've stopped earning, and can't put bread on the table. At least it stops the spam though. Maybe, this will demotivate others from creating a hundred accounts just to earn on bounties.
Totally agreed!!! I also think the main issue of tons of spam are not single bounty accounts but MULTIPLE bounty accounts. I find using multiple account as cheating which is hard to prove but I’m pretty sure that 20%-40% of accounts are fake/multiple.… Let's look the situation: Setting an account on BTT is really simple the only thing we need is email. You can set 50 email accounts and then 50 BTT accunts in less than hour. Firstly there are many bounty campagines which aprove Newbies. But let's focus on signatures there is need to be Jr. Member at least. After new regulation - 1 merit Jr Accont situation changed but only a little bit. So how much time is really needed to get 50 merit if you are averege inteligent person two weeks? Let's say it's not as easy so maybe a month? Probably for some post you could be given more than one merit so you have free sMerits which can be transfered to your other accounts - it's prohibited? Sure but who will check if you give back only one sMerit for averege post to your other account? So after not more than 42 days (time needed to gain 30 points of activity) you are the owner of multiple Jr member account ;-). Now I only need to multiply my signature/tweeter/facebook bounty and... Let’s go… Let the spam begins!!! Suming up this new regulation is good but in few weeks from now situation will come back more or less to the beginning. That's why I think that beside this merit revolution very good idea would be upgrading a verification policy by adding telephone number verification. Let's say Jr Member upgrade needs to verificate telephone number. Many sites already done it exchanges, steemit etc. It's much less comfortable for cheaters to buy 10 or 50 simcards than set up 50 emails... Of course it’s also not such a big deal to do that, but it would harden cheating and spamming much more than the 1 merit need. |
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You have really explained problems of many newbies here as most of them are unable to express, many would have the same questions and would try to gain merits by the evil ways you mentioned, but yes it is more easy to gain it by putting useful content in any post I think anyone would surely notice it and respect your work on the posts and award you merits.
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Thanks Also hope that they are reading a lot on this board as well because if not, your post might have gone in vain. Either way, if you want more merit, you also better consider studying more about bitcoin and crypto.
I'm sure it will vanish but maybe some Newbies will read it - I think that my example is more likely to understand than short theoretical posts about way to get merit... Reading what you posted above shows me two things:
1. If there is no change in the rules, you'll probably never care about contributing to this forums at all.
Well I'm not proud of this... but being honest you're probably right..... 2. If there is no change in the rules, you'll probably never visit meta or read many threads. In fact, you're thinking to buy merits, which makes me wonder, have you ever read the merit description before?
Yes I did read about merit before but as I write in the post i thought "I’m not a specialist in blockchain area, there are thousands of users who are better than me and for sure they can write more than me so I have no chance to be given even one, high ranked users probably exchange merits between themselves (sorry for that! - but I thought so)" I hope you'll continue to be contributive, and not only focus on your translation business.
Either way, if you want more merit, you also better consider studying more about bitcoin and crypto.
I will do my best.... |
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...So eliminate all the bounty threads. And we non-techie persons and "toxic" bounty hunters will just move on to another platform...
I can't agree with your opinion (maybe because I'm one of them;-). Bitcointalk is the oldest and greatest site dealing in crypto, but not only it's technical aspects but the whole crypto scope. You can find here developers, ethusiasts, miners, traders etc. It's the greatest place you can read about new projects and also join to the bounty programs. So thanks to these this site became complete crypto platform. I know that bounties generate lots of spam but in my opinion mostly in it's own area (ANN/Bounty section). Kicking away all Bounty and ANN would probably cut big part of spam but is this real the best solution? Maybe rather than cutting large part of the society - I really think they are part of cyrpto society even if they don't know as much technical aspects they all are spreading news about crypto to the world what is "kind of work" for mass adoption of cryptocurrency. Maybe better solution would be tighten the rules for them a bit. 1 merit revolution was the first step but i think it will be enough only for the short time. I think that main issue are not bounty accounts but MULTIPLE bounty accounts. Setting an account here is really simple the only thing we need is email. Let's say I'll make 10 accounts on the first one i spend some time to get a few merits after being given some i can give them back to my other accounts and then I'm the owner of multiple Jr member account ;-) It's cheating but it's hard to prove and I'm more than sure that 20%-40% of accounts are fake/multiple.... What if..... What if beside merit revolution upgrade a verification policy and add telephone number verification. Let's say Jr Member upgrade needs to verificate telephone number. Many sites already done it exchanges, steemit etc. It's much less comfortable for cheaters to buy 10 or 50 simcards than set up 50 emails... I think it could cut much more spam than 1 merit need |
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I write these words for large group of Newbies who were Jr. Members few days ago… Like many (hunderts or maybe thousands) of you few days ago I’ve been degraded from my „serious” Jr. Member rank… Probably I wouldn’t even realized it so fast, but I’ve joined a few bounty campaigns where I do translation and moderation of ANN threads in my native language and i saw that images I've posted changed into naked links. MERIT – it’s a keyword. I’ve read about it few months ago but I found fighting for it to hard for me… But what now – the rules were changed and being the translator makes me really in need to have one – only single one…. So let’s do this… I'll get one! First though: „there are for sure places/sites when i can get one free. Come on – It’s only one – I don’t need more”. So I did some google search, than BTT search… didn’t find anything. So can’t get it totally for free, than came second though: „no worry… I’ll buy one!” ;-) Once again google search, BTT search, Telegram search… This time was better I’ve found several announcements users offer merit for sale, but each one came from users with negative Trust… Should i risk??? What really mean Negative Trust and this statement below „ Warning: Trade with extreme caution!” hmmmm… can I trust this guy? I don’t think I can… Third though: „Maybe try to beg for one?” Checking few begging threads showed that users don’t give merits to beggars – they rather lough at them and seriously criticise this idea... Another round "Let’s check once again what do I need to get merit legally way?". There are really tons of threads in meta section about it and all says „write something really readworthy”, „write something what will help another users”, „make sure that your post looks nice and pretty and is written in proper language”… Ok on the one hand it doesn’t look hard but what can i write about? I’m not a specialist in blockchain area (honestly I’m still Newbie – hey just like my current rank ;-), there are thousands of users who are better than me and for sure they can write more than me. Ok so let’s leave it and look into some threads to check if getting merit is really so simple… After checking dozens of threads one tithing came to my head: „ Merits sucks!!! People really not often give merits especially to Newbies. Probably they (senior users) start this system to give merits one to another and keep newbies far for possibility to use this forum for earning money from Bounties. They are greedy. Beside there are thousands of threads and merits are given only in few of them. It’s rather impossible for me to be given one!”. Then I’ve passed by some more discussion threads and found quite new one related to cryptocurrency regulation. Reading few posts I’ve realized that few days ago I found a link to very interesting article about dark side of cryptocurrencies and possibility of changing them to be less useful for criminals more for regular people. „ This one should fit here and it also additionally it puts look from other side.” - I though. BTT is discussion forum so if I already get here (to that thread) i can give a few word from myself – and I did it. You can’t even imagine how surprised i was few hours later when i opened BTT and saw that i was given MERIT only for this one single post. It wasn’t really big deal – it was only one short voice in the discussion nothing more, but one user found my opinion or probably rather not even opinion but article i linked interesting and gave me not one not two but FOUR MERITS only for this!!! By the way great thanks to DarkStar_ for his generosity. The funniest thing is that i spent many useles hours looking the way to get merit and then when I was writing that post I wasn’t think about merits at all I’ve just though that article I’ve read fit into discussion and it’s also interesting (for me at last) so maybe someone will find it interesting as well. After this I’ve changed my mind about this merit system and high ranked users - today I’ve realized a few things:1. The source of discussion forum is… discussion.
2. Users who can give merits reads many threads and they really do give merit if they found something interesting readworthy or useful.
3. You don’t really need do nothing extraordinary to get merit (of course i still think, that i was very lucky… probably I wouldn’t give myself merit for this post)I’m sure that there are many users who think like me until yesterday and wonder how what to do to get merit (cheat, buy, beg, get free etc.). I'm writing this post to give them some hope showing how easy geting merit in the proper way could be. Don't lose faith guys!!!Below I give a link to my post I'm writing about https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5032385.msg45892114#msg45892114 |
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We need no regulations. We need no KYC. We need no ETF's. What we need to do is show the world why Bitcoin is better than government FIAT and let Bitcoin take over that way. We have a real shot at gaining freedom of finances however it seems most are tripping over themselves to give all that away to the government as quickly as possible.
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No regulations in cryptocurency means FREEDOM! That's was my first idea - when I heard about cryptocurrency (maybe second one becouse realy first was WOW you can earn 1000x in crypto ;-) Recently, however, I came across an interesting article closely related to the topic discussed here. I honestly say that before the reading I had no idea how much cyber criminals are involved in the crypto market. I thought that "real criminals" only use the currency as payment in transactions due to its anonymity, and we have also a group of hackers who try to steal "some coins" .... The article, however, presents the darker side of the crypto as... ...This is the history of distributed technologies — it’s been one of facilitating criminal enterprise. Bitcoin played right into that, and now we have the dark web and now we have hackers who are leveraging the technologies as well. And people are pretending or fooling themselves that it’s about some sort of a libertarian ideal, where people are going to behave. No, people will not behave. Criminals are going to come in, and they are going to take over, and it’s going to be the whole reason why we have this stuff....For all cryptophans, this does not sound good but I will tell you in advance that its message is not to close the crypto but to change the rules - reduce anonymity while maintaining most functionality ... I am not a fan of government and in particular I do not like taxes at all, but after reading this article I changed my mind a bit and now I think that taking some regulations may not be a completely bad idea... For example reducing anonymity while keeping most functionality.. I think we all care about introducing cryptocurrencies for mass use. But do we really have to keep so high level of anonymity while paying in stores, or sending coins to our family or friends? I think article is readworthy: https://cointelegraph.com/news/it-analyst-jason-bloomberg-what-im-really-saying-is-shut-down-permissionless-blockchains |
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